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We demand purple fingers, paper ballots, and picture IDs at every US election!

by 1389AD ( 207 Comments › )
Filed under Corruption, Elections 2012 at November 14th, 2012 - 5:00 pm

Purple fingers combat vote fraud
Roxeanne De Luca at Da Tech Guy’s Blog has the story:

Pointing out the obvious: we don’t have to sit around and take it

Stacy McCain has a great post up about the “bizarre statistical improbabilities” of Obama winning over 99% of the vote in some districts that also have over 100% turnout.

We can complain about voter fraud and sound like a bunch of conspiracy theorists and/or sore losers, or we can prove voter fraud and thwart it in the future.

Let’s talk about thwarting voter fraud. Indiana has one of those nifty photo-ID laws (which also helps the poor, in that the state gives free photo IDs to those who cannot afford them). Work to get one in your state. Remember, we swept state legislatures and governorships in 2010, and continued to pick up governorships in 2012. We have friendly legislatures and friendly executive offices.

If you aren’t able to get “show ID to vote” laws passed, why not try to lobby for the low-tech, tried-and-true purple finger approach? Sure, it won’t eliminate absentee voter fraud, but people will have to work a lot harder to commit voter fraud if they can only vote once on Election Day.

Troops, those are your marching orders. Get it done in your states.

Now, the tedium of proving voter fraud. What you need to do is prove that people who voted do not actually exist, do not live in the district, or are otherwise ineligible to vote (e.g. are not citizens).
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Click HERE to learn how to gather the evidence to prove vote fraud.

Admittedly, purple fingers are just a start.

  • Paper ballots are an absolute requirement. Electronic voting systems cannot be made secure.
  • Early voting is a bad idea from the get-go.In those states that allow early voting, the ink used for the purple finger must be so difficult to remove that detectable traces will remain from the first early voting day through the election day itself. That would be the only way to put a stop to the “vote early and often” scenario.We still need many, many other measures to combat election fraud, including better auditing and counting of all ballots (especially absentee ballots), safeguards for military voters, and forfeiture of political offices gained via any form of election fraud. There should definitely be prison time for anyone who submits an absentee ballot and then casts a second vote in person at a precinct polling place.
  • Even with the purple finger, we must continue to work for voter ID laws in every State. We must fight back against all attempts to insinuate that we are using voter ID laws to disenfranchise people. Whenever our opposition comes up with that one rare individual who is obviously American born but who cannot get a valid ID because of some bizarre paperwork error, we must insist that State legislators enact legislation to resolve that individual’s particular problem in a timely manner, and not use him or her as a pawn in the vote fraud game.

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207 Responses to “We demand purple fingers, paper ballots, and picture IDs at every US election!”
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  1. heysoos
    1 | November 14, 2012 5:27 pm

    “you can judge a culture by the honesty of their election process”
    Heysoos The First


  2. Da_Beerfreak
    2 | November 14, 2012 5:30 pm

    WASS*

    *We Are So Screwed


  3. Purre
    3 | November 14, 2012 5:36 pm

    Early voting is fine when system is working perfectly on normal election day. That means normal elections with zero frauds. When that has been accomplished, early voting is good convenience and can be monitored by the very same system that monitors the normal voting.


  4. Lily
    4 | November 14, 2012 5:38 pm

    My state has already voter I.D. …


  5. Lily
    5 | November 14, 2012 5:43 pm

    So they are calling for the killing of white people???? The insanity since the election is mind-boggling.

    New Black Panther Leader: Obama’s Bombed “Black And Brown People” But Hasn’t Killed “One White Man Yet”…

    The Chairman of the New Black Panthers, Malik Zulu Shabazz, had some harsh words for President Obama on a radio broadcast Tuesday, explaining that he’s angry with the president for killing “black and brown people” in Africa while not having killed “one white man yet.”

    The often controversial group has been very quiet leading up to the elections, but began broadcasting again this week after a four month hiatus.

    Chairman Shabazz immediately opened up the radio show by asking for callers’ questions. The first caller asked if he supported Obama in any of the last two elections. Shabazz gave a lengthy answer, saying that before 2008 he had “never voted in any presidential election.” He explained that he does not give “a damn” about the Democratic Party because they have “misused black people.” But 2008 was different for Shabazz. He voted for Obama, and the Panther chairman went into detail about that decision.

    new-black-panther-leader-obamas-bombed-black-and-brown-people-but-hasnt-killed-one-white-man-yet


  6. Lily
    6 | November 14, 2012 5:45 pm

    For some reason I don’t think voting with a purple finger is going to work here. The system is rather broke and not all states will go for it.


  7. heysoos
    7 | November 14, 2012 5:45 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ Lily:
    BO killed 4 white guys in Libya recently, you ignorant simp


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | November 14, 2012 5:46 pm

    @ Lily:

    he is such a punk.


  9. Lily
    10 | November 14, 2012 5:47 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Apparently that wasn’t enough or he didn’t get the memo about what happened in Benghazi.


  10. Lily
    11 | November 14, 2012 5:47 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Lily:

    he is such a punk.

    Yes indeed he is a punk. Just sickening too.


  11. Lily
    12 | November 14, 2012 5:53 pm

    Unbelievable…still going on about abortions…so which side is really on the social-con agenda??? The leftists.

    DNC Chief Wasserman Schultz Tells Pro-Abortion Fanatics: “We Have To Double Down In 2014″…

    WASHINGTON — Speaking to a gathering of EMILY’s List supporters, Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz stressed that Democrats would capitalize in 2014 on the gains they made with women in 2012.

    “We have to double down. We have to double down in 2014. We’ve got to make sure we recruit more women to run for office,” she said. “Because it is not just a slogan that when women run women win. They do. They do. And when women run Democrats win.”

    A record number of women will serve in the 113th Congress, including 20 in the Senate and 81 in the House. [...]

    Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman herself, added that while Republicans got “white and more male” the Democratic side of the aisle became more diverse. “We now have a majority-minority-and-female Democratic caucus,” she said, for the “first time in history.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/14/dnc-chief-wasserman-schultz-tells-pro-abortion-fanatics-we-have-to-double-down-in-2014/


  12. 13 | November 14, 2012 5:54 pm

    @ heysoos:

    That’s just what I was thinking -- four dead men in Libya would beg to differ. Of course, we won’t be hearing from anyone how this is a raaaacist bunch of thugs, oh no, nuttin’ like dat.

    Which always tells me that they don’t believe any of the violent racist crap any of them spew about the TEA Party or the NRA. Because they’d be too damned afraid the raaaacist violent Jim Crow hicks would come after them.


  13. 14 | November 14, 2012 5:55 pm

    @ Lily:

    Debbie wants Nancy’s job and is probably no doubt pissed as hell that Nazi Nancy isn’t stepping aside to give it to her.


  14. RIX
    15 | November 14, 2012 5:59 pm

    Greetings & salutations.
    Hey, if you are looking for a good movie, “Argo”
    A really well done, gut wrenching flick.


  15. lobo91
    16 | November 14, 2012 6:02 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Greetings & salutations.
    Hey, if you are looking for a good movie, “Argo”
    A really well done, gut wrenching flick.

    Aside from the opening.


  16. buzzsawmonkey
    17 | November 14, 2012 6:03 pm

    When Obama wins his last election, hurrah, hurrah!
    He’ll have lots more flexibility then, hurrah, hurrah!
    The men will cheer, the boys will shout
    At the hundred-and-ten-percent turnout
    And folks will wed gay when Barack Obama wins!

    Get ready to come into your own, hurrah! hurrah!
    Everybody gets a free Obamaphone™—hurrah! hurrah!
    Who cares about the economy?
    We all are living off EBT
    We’ll loll around all day when Barack Obama wins!

    For sexual diseases we don’t care, hurrah! hurrah!
    We’ve got abortions and Obamacare, hurrah! hurrah!
    Though it’s like going to the DMV
    Whoever’s paying, it isn’t me
    We can wait all day, since Barack Obama wins!

    Who cares about the financial cliff? hurrah! hurrah!
    The doomsayers are a bunch of stiffs! hurrah! hurrah!
    They print more currency day and night
    To ensure that we will be all right
    We’ll piss it all away, now Barack Obama wins!


  17. Lily
    18 | November 14, 2012 6:04 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Debbie wants Nancy’s job and is probably no doubt pissed as hell that Nazi Nancy isn’t stepping aside to give it to her.

    What a freak choice there. Of course San Fran Nan isn’t going to step down.


  18. heysoos
    19 | November 14, 2012 6:05 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    That’s just what I was thinking — four dead men in Libya would beg to differ. Of course, we won’t be hearing from anyone how this is a raaaacist bunch of thugs, oh no, nuttin’ like dat.
    Which always tells me that they don’t believe any of the violent racist crap any of them spew about the TEA Party or the NRA. Because they’d be too damned afraid the raaaacist violent Jim Crow hicks would come after them.

    I brawled all through my early adult years and beyond…tough talk doesn’t do anything to intimidate me


  19. heysoos
    20 | November 14, 2012 6:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    your brain must race a mile a minute…how do you sleep bro?…
    excellent


  20. RIX
    21 | November 14, 2012 6:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Greetings & salutations.
    Hey, if you are looking for a good movie, “Argo”
    A really well done, gut wrenching flick.

    Aside from the opening.

    Yeah, the opening was a little weird.
    But it is a really good flick.


  21. RIX
    22 | November 14, 2012 6:12 pm

    At his presser today BHO got all bent out of
    shape that Susan Rice is under scrutiny for
    her remarks about Benghazi.
    He claims that as the UN Ambassador she had nothing
    to do with any of it.
    Yet, they sent out to five Sunday morning programs
    with the bull shit story.
    Why is that?


  22. buzzsawmonkey
    23 | November 14, 2012 6:15 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Hey, if you are looking for a good movie, “Argo”
    A really well done, gut wrenching flick.

    Isn’t that the Affleck film which is all about “Hollywood saves lives!”?


  23. Lily
    24 | November 14, 2012 6:18 pm

    @ RIX:

    Didn’t he say blame me? Plus it was the White House that sent Susan Rice out the Sunday after? Obama has no fear of the hearings about Benghazi in the least bit. I wonder why? Arrogance? Or he knows something everyone else doesn’t know.


  24. RIX
    25 | November 14, 2012 6:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Hey, if you are looking for a good movie, “Argo”
    A really well done, gut wrenching flick.

    Isn’t that the Affleck film which is all about “Hollywood saves lives!”?

    The very one, but for Affleck it is pretty patriotic
    & the Hollywood twist is very clever.


  25. buzzsawmonkey
    26 | November 14, 2012 6:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    for Affleck it is pretty patriotic
    & the Hollywood twist is very clever.

    Given that none of the hostages in Teheran died—that includes those who were not smuggled out as Canadians pretending to be a bogus film crew—it sounds to me as though this “patriotic film” is about the overwhelming incompetence of US intelligence and covert operations, and about minimizing, if not sloughing, the terror that bandit mobs once had of the US, in favor of aggrandizing the brilliant deus-ex-machina saviorship of Hollywood (and, of course, dismissing the mullahs’ terror of Reagan).

    Of course, not yet having seen the film, I could be wrong.


  26. Lily
    27 | November 14, 2012 6:26 pm

    The arrogance of this man is off the charts…..I wonder how the people feel not the president.

    Obama Praises His Response To Hurricane Sandy: “It’s Been Aggressive, Strong, Fast And Robust”…

    It’s been aggressive and strong and fast and robust and a lot of people have been helped because of it. That’s a pretty good metaphor for how I want federal government to operate generally, and I’m going to do everything I can to make sure it does.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/14/obama-praises-his-response-to-hurricane-sandy-its-been-aggressive-strong-fast-and-robust/


  27. RIX
    28 | November 14, 2012 6:29 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I get your apprehension about the film.
    Actually it glorifies Tony Menedez, the CIA Agent who pulled it off.
    Our Marines & the Canadian Ambassador come across great.
    And the movie ruse that they used was brilliant.
    See Argo, you will enjoy it.


  28. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | November 14, 2012 6:33 pm

    @ RIX:

    I’ll take your recommendation seriously.


  29. RIX
    30 | November 14, 2012 6:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I’ll take your recommendation seriously.

    I may be overselling , & I don’t want you to expect too much.
    But it is a good movie.


  30. buzzsawmonkey
    31 | November 14, 2012 6:35 pm

    RIX wrote:

    But it is a good movie.

    I haven’t been to a new commercial film in some time. I may make an exception.


  31. RIX
    32 | November 14, 2012 6:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    But it is a good movie.

    I haven’t been to a new commercial film in some time. I may make an exception.

    Most of the Hollywood product isn’t worth seeing.
    This movie is an exception.


  32. RIX
    33 | November 14, 2012 6:38 pm

    See y’all later.


  33. heysoos
    34 | November 14, 2012 6:40 pm

    I don’t do movies, I don’t support people that hate me…
    Hollywood could fall off the map, I could care less….Hollywood before a certain time is okay with me…now, they can be run over by a garbage truck, don’t give a rats ass


  34. Guggi
    35 | November 14, 2012 6:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Didn’t he say blame me? Plus it was the White House that sent Susan Rice out the Sunday after? Obama has no fear of the hearings about Benghazi in the least bit. I wonder why? Arrogance? Or he knows something everyone else doesn’t know.

    Because it doesn’t count anymore whatever Petraeus will say. He is ultimately discredited. No one left to speak the truth after this soap opera.


  35. buzzsawmonkey
    36 | November 14, 2012 6:46 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Because it doesn’t count anymore whatever Petraeus will say. He is ultimately discredited. No one left to speak the truth after this soap opera.

    Just because Petraeus got his dick caught in a mousetrap doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of speaking the truth regarding other matters.


  36. 37 | November 14, 2012 6:47 pm

    @ heysoos:

    In many ways, that’s what conservatives need to do -- not attend movies designed to smear America and conservatives and the GOP — look at that piece of crap “Lions for Lambs” -- died miserably at the box office. I think Brian DePalma did a hate America movie that also flopped. Americans do not like to see movies slandering the armed forces. I believe even though “Hurt Locker” got the Oscar, it was not a pro-forces movie IIRC so didn’t do well.


  37. heysoos
    38 | November 14, 2012 6:49 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    Because it doesn’t count anymore whatever Petraeus will say. He is ultimately discredited. No one left to speak the truth after this soap opera.
    Just because Petraeus got his dick caught in a mousetrap doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of speaking the truth regarding other matters.

    agreed…his testimony might be priceless…all these predictions are boring…wait and see what he says


  38. Guggi
    39 | November 14, 2012 6:50 pm

    For anyone who is interested in some US-budget history

    (pdf-file)

    and another interesting book from the same author, Henry Hazlitt: The Conquest of Poverty (free download from Mises Institute)


  39. heysoos
    40 | November 14, 2012 6:51 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    In many ways, that’s what conservatives need to do — not attend movies designed to smear America and conservatives and the GOP — look at that piece of crap “Lions for Lambs” — died miserably at the box office. I think Brian DePalma did a hate America movie that also flopped. Americans do not like to see movies slandering the armed forces. I believe even though “Hurt Locker” got the Oscar, it was not a pro-forces movie IIRC so didn’t do well.

    it’s all make believe…I’m fed up with make believe…it’s ruined our country


  40. Lily
    41 | November 14, 2012 6:52 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Didn’t he say blame me? Plus it was the White House that sent Susan Rice out the Sunday after? Obama has no fear of the hearings about Benghazi in the least bit. I wonder why? Arrogance? Or he knows something everyone else doesn’t know.

    Because it doesn’t count anymore whatever Petraeus will say. He is ultimately discredited. No one left to speak the truth after this soap opera.

    Will Petraeus even have the back-bone to even to tell the truth now? He has nothing to lose…now that obama has let the hammer fall…oh but he didn’t see that coming because he went with the obama administration meme about Benghazi…he actually trusted obama not to let the hammer fall after the election the man is a damn fool.


  41. rain of lead
    42 | November 14, 2012 6:54 pm

    hey ya’ll
    got a double crust pizza in the oven, a cold one of these in my hand, my new favorite beer of the week,…errr.. month
    and I’ve only had to work at one job today whoo hooo!
    anything interesting happen today?


  42. Lily
    43 | November 14, 2012 6:55 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    Because it doesn’t count anymore whatever Petraeus will say. He is ultimately discredited. No one left to speak the truth after this soap opera.

    Just because Petraeus got his dick caught in a mousetrap doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of speaking the truth regarding other matters.

    Excatly. He thought if he went along with obama’s meme about Benghazi he could just retire quietly if he did what they wanted him to do. Now that they have crushed him (not to mention he did this to himself he should have known better what a dolt) …what is he going to do?


  43. Guggi
    44 | November 14, 2012 6:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Will Petraeus even have the back-bone to even to tell the truth now?

    I guess he has still a lot to lose.


  44. heysoos
    45 | November 14, 2012 6:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Didn’t he say blame me? Plus it was the White House that sent Susan Rice out the Sunday after? Obama has no fear of the hearings about Benghazi in the least bit. I wonder why? Arrogance? Or he knows something everyone else doesn’t know.
    Because it doesn’t count anymore whatever Petraeus will say. He is ultimately discredited. No one left to speak the truth after this soap opera.

    Will Petraeus even have the back-bone to even to tell the truth now? He has nothing to lose…now that obama has let the hammer fall…oh but he didn’t see that coming because he went with the obama administration meme about Benghazi…he actually trusted obama not to let the hammer fall after the election the man is a damn fool.

    I think he does…he appears to not be a chronic womanizer and this was his one gig, I’ll give him that at this point…I think he’ll tell the truth as he knows it…I’m a softie like that, give the guy a chance to explain what he knows, then kill him (Ghengis Khan)


  45. Lily
    46 | November 14, 2012 7:01 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Will Petraeus even have the back-bone to even to tell the truth now?

    I guess he has still a lot to lose.

    Not much after the total smear campaign…is he going to tell the truth now??? /I’m not all that sure he will tell the truth in fact I’d be more surprised if he did.


  46. Guggi
    47 | November 14, 2012 7:01 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Just because Petraeus got his dick caught in a mousetrap doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of speaking the truth regarding other matters.

    Whatever he will say one side will say it’s a lie because O./government can still humiliate him even more than they have already done and the other side will say it’s only a revenge because they didn’t protect him and his job.

    He has lost all credibility even if he is saying the truth.


  47. heysoos
    48 | November 14, 2012 7:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Will Petraeus even have the back-bone to even to tell the truth now?
    I guess he has still a lot to lose.

    Not much after the total smear campaign…is he going to tell the truth now??? /I’m not all that sure he will tell the truth in fact I’d be more surprised if he did.

    why wouldn’t he tell the truth?


  48. rain of lead
    49 | November 14, 2012 7:02 pm

    Petraeus will stick to the script
    he lied once,he’s not about to change his story now


  49. 50 | November 14, 2012 7:04 pm

    @ Lily:

    aka the BBB!


  50. heysoos
    51 | November 14, 2012 7:04 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Just because Petraeus got his dick caught in a mousetrap doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of speaking the truth regarding other matters.
    Whatever he will say one side will say it’s a lie because O./government can still humiliate him even more than they have already done and the other side will say it’s only a revenge because they didn’t protect him and his job.
    He has lost all credibility even if he is saying the truth.

    I disagree…he’s finished, at least he can do is clear the air…if I’m wrong it will by by his own words, not speculation on a blog


  51. Lily
    52 | November 14, 2012 7:05 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Not sure..I don’t think him having a affair makes whatever he says not the truth..but will he tell the truth? He seemed to have been black-mailed into thinking if he went along with the obama’s administration meme..he could quietly exit stage left…didn’t happen.


  52. Guggi
    53 | November 14, 2012 7:06 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    even if he is saying the truth

    telling ? speaking ?


  53. Mars
    54 | November 14, 2012 7:07 pm

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1114/Angus-King-of-Maine-helps-Senate-tilt-toward-Democrats

    Here’s why we can never trust a f-ing independent. They are actually democrats in disguise.

    Olympia Snowe was no benefit to us, but at least she would vote our way once in a while. This assclown ran as an independent and is going to be a demonrat.


  54. heysoos
    55 | November 14, 2012 7:07 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Not sure..I don’t think him having a affair makes whatever he says not the truth..but will he tell the truth? He seemed to have been black-mailed into thinking if he went along with the obama’s administration meme..he could quietly exit stage left…didn’t happen.

    right, that was then…the sitrep has evolved fast, he’s Airborne, he will revert back to simpler times…bet me


  55. brookly red
    56 | November 14, 2012 7:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Not sure..I don’t think him having a affair makes whatever he says not the truth..but will he tell the truth? He seemed to have been black-mailed into thinking if he went along with the obama’s administration meme..he could quietly exit stage left…didn’t happen.

    one would think that someone with that much military experience has a backup plan… we shall see.


  56. Lily
    57 | November 14, 2012 7:08 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Just because Petraeus got his dick caught in a mousetrap doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of speaking the truth regarding other matters.

    Whatever he will say one side will say it’s a lie because O./government can still humiliate him even more than they have already done and the other side will say it’s only a revenge because they didn’t protect him and his job.

    He has lost all credibility even if he is saying the truth.

    Not unless he can send them down the path of truth or have some evidence or anything.
    Someone will have to back up what he says if he doesn’t just plead the 5th and say nothing.


  57. Lily
    58 | November 14, 2012 7:10 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Will Petraeus even have the back-bone to even to tell the truth now?
    I guess he has still a lot to lose.

    Not much after the total smear campaign…is he going to tell the truth now??? /I’m not all that sure he will tell the truth in fact I’d be more surprised if he did.

    why wouldn’t he tell the truth?

    Why lots of reasons….one: obama


  58. Lily
    59 | November 14, 2012 7:11 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    Petraeus will stick to the script
    he lied once,he’s not about to change his story now

    And there is is..he lied once already.


  59. Lily
    60 | November 14, 2012 7:12 pm

    @ Lily:

    PIMF = It Is


  60. buzzsawmonkey
    61 | November 14, 2012 7:12 pm

    I would like Petraeus to take the Samson route. As Samson pulled down the temple of Dagon he said, “Let me die with the Philistines.”


  61. Lily
    62 | November 14, 2012 7:13 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Apparently you under-estimate the obama administration a lot.


  62. Da_Beerfreak
    63 | November 14, 2012 7:15 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    hey ya’ll
    got a double crust pizza in the oven, a cold one of these in my hand, my new favorite beer of the week,…errr.. month
    and I’ve only had to work at one job today whoo hooo!
    anything interesting happen today?

    Obituary: Ahmed Said Khalil al-Jabari, Hamas commander

    :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


  63. brookly red
    64 | November 14, 2012 7:15 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I would like Petraeus to take the Samson route. As Samson pulled down the temple of Dagon he said, “Let me die with the Philistines.”

    Indeed.


  64. Mars
    65 | November 14, 2012 7:16 pm

    I don’t trust high ranking military at all. While I was in I realized they are nothing but political tools. All he will do is stick to the script and sign off on a ghost written book once he’s retired. The book will continue to parrot the admins story and will be declared incredible by the NYT book section and they will rave about the “revalations” in the book that will be nothing more than more O ass kissing.


  65. Mars
    66 | November 14, 2012 7:16 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I don’t trust high ranking military at all. While I was in I realized they are nothing but political tools. All he will do is stick to the script and sign off on a ghost written book once he’s retired out of the picture. The book will continue to parrot the admins story and will be declared incredible by the NYT book section and they will rave about the “revalations” in the book that will be nothing more than more O ass kissing.

    Corrected my error.


  66. buzzsawmonkey
    67 | November 14, 2012 7:17 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Obituary: Ahmed Said Khalil al-Jabari, Hamas commander

    See here.


  67. brookly red
    68 | November 14, 2012 7:17 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Obituary: Ahmed Said Khalil al-Jabari, Hamas commander

    /sooo, you like to play with rockets, eh?


  68. Lily
    69 | November 14, 2012 7:19 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    even if he is saying the truth

    telling ? speaking ?

    Telling the truth. He didn’t the first time because basically he was being black-mailed and apparently he believed if he did what he was told to do all would be okay and he could get on with his life…big mistake for ever believing the obama administration for one. Now on the revenge ..oh hell yeah believe that obama is going to bring revenge to Americans..now there obama is telling the truth.


  69. 70 | November 14, 2012 7:19 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Not sure..I don’t think him having a affair makes whatever he says not the truth..but will he tell the truth? He seemed to have been black-mailed into thinking if he went along with the obama’s administration meme..he could quietly exit stage left…didn’t happen.

    right, that was then…the sitrep has evolved fast, he’s Airborne, he will revert back to simpler times…bet me

    Bullshit. He was bought and bought is exactly how he will remain. He has no honor to protect he flushed it down the toilet long ago.


  70. Lily
    71 | November 14, 2012 7:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Not sure..I don’t think him having a affair makes whatever he says not the truth..but will he tell the truth? He seemed to have been black-mailed into thinking if he went along with the obama’s administration meme..he could quietly exit stage left…didn’t happen.

    right, that was then…the sitrep has evolved fast, he’s Airborne, he will revert back to simpler times…bet me

    No..not putting money on that. Never under-estimate obama…he seems waaaaaaaay too confident here concerning the Benghazi.


  71. rain of lead
    72 | November 14, 2012 7:22 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Lily:

    PIMF = It Is

    it depends on what the meaning of is, is


  72. heysoos
    73 | November 14, 2012 7:24 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ Lily:
    the whole point of the exercise is to find where BO’s loyalty lies and if the general supports BO to the dire end…non of this is clearcut yet and any prediction is just that…we need a detailed testimony and if he agrees to give it then cut him some slack…if it goes bad or him that’s a different story


  73. Guggi
    74 | November 14, 2012 7:24 pm

    Veteran F.B.I. Agent Helped Start Petraeus E-Mail Inquiry

    The F.B.I. agent who helped start the investigation that led to the resignation of David H. Petraeus as C.I.A. director is a “hard-charging” veteran counterterrorism investigator who used his command of French in investigating the foiled “millennium” terrorist plot in 1999, colleagues said on Wednesday.

    The agent, Frederick W. Humphries II, 47, took the initial complaint from Jill Kelley, the Tampa, Fla., hostess who was socially active in military circles there, about e-mails she found disturbing that accused her of inappropriately flirtatious behavior toward Mr. Petraeus. The subsequent cyberstalking investigation uncovered an extramarital affair between Mr. Petraeus and Paula Broadwell, his biographer, who agents determined had sent the anonymous e-mails. It also ensnared Gen. John R. Allen, who now commands troops in Afghanistan, after the investigation discovered that he had sent “inappropriate communication” to Ms. Kelley.


  74. Lily
    75 | November 14, 2012 7:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Not sure..I don’t think him having a affair makes whatever he says not the truth..but will he tell the truth? He seemed to have been black-mailed into thinking if he went along with the obama’s administration meme..he could quietly exit stage left…didn’t happen.

    one would think that someone with that much military experience has a backup plan… we shall see.

    I would hope so…all we need is just one..ONE Patriot ….and then the rest might follow and stand up and the house of cards will fall. Not sure what his B plan is …stay safe and continue the charade or actually stand up and tell the truth.


  75. brookly red
    76 | November 14, 2012 7:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    No..not putting money on that. Never under-estimate obama…he seems waaaaaaaay too confident here concerning the Benghazi.

    he is way too confident period.


  76. buzzsawmonkey
    77 | November 14, 2012 7:27 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    find where BO’s loyalty lies

    Obama’s loyalty begins and ends with himself.


  77. Lily
    78 | November 14, 2012 7:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I would like Petraeus to take the Samson route. As Samson pulled down the temple of Dagon he said, “Let me die with the Philistines.”

    There’s a novel idea…one can only hope. But when it concerns anything with obama ..I cannot predict what will happen.


  78. Guggi
    79 | November 14, 2012 7:28 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    He was bought and bought is exactly how he will remain. He has no honor to protect he flushed it down the toilet long ago.

    Yep.


  79. waldensianspirit
    80 | November 14, 2012 7:28 pm

    Allen’s gotta go and might as well bring the troops home


  80. Lily
    81 | November 14, 2012 7:30 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Lily:

    PIMF = It Is

    it depends on what the meaning of is, is

    :lol: :lol: :lol:


  81. heysoos
    82 | November 14, 2012 7:30 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    find where BO’s loyalty lies
    Obama’s loyalty begins and ends with himself.

    yes, but he has to have a very few people close to him to shield him…we should find out regarding the general soon enough


  82. brookly red
    83 | November 14, 2012 7:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Not sure..I don’t think him having a affair makes whatever he says not the truth..but will he tell the truth? He seemed to have been black-mailed into thinking if he went along with the obama’s administration meme..he could quietly exit stage left…didn’t happen.

    one would think that someone with that much military experience has a backup plan… we shall see.

    I would hope so…all we need is just one..ONE Patriot ….and then the rest might follow and stand up and the house of cards will fall. Not sure what his B plan is …stay safe and continue the charade or actually stand up and tell the truth.

    It won’t be a patriot (well one acting out of patriotism anyway) that brings O down. Libs suffer from the sin of envy (hence the class warfare) it will be a scorned and jeleaous insider.


  83. Lily
    84 | November 14, 2012 7:33 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    @ Lily:
    the whole point of the exercise is to find where BO’s loyalty lies and if the general supports BO to the dire end…non of this is clearcut yet and any prediction is just that…we need a detailed testimony and if he agrees to give it then cut him some slack…if it goes bad or him that’s a different story

    You are misreading me. I’m not demonizing the General (he did that himself with the affair)..but I don’t see him doing what he needs to do and tell the truth. I just don’t. Obama is waaaaaaay too confident concerning these hearings and has the General’s balls in a vice. I see it for what it is…he lied the first time and he will stick to that lie. By all means I hope he doesn’t but I don’t see him standing up to obama.


  84. Lily
    85 | November 14, 2012 7:37 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    No..not putting money on that. Never under-estimate obama…he seems waaaaaaaay too confident here concerning the Benghazi.

    he is way too confident period.

    Indeed..and so far there is something to that confidence..I would have never thought he would be re-elected. The man is teflon. Never seen anything like it before concerning a politician.


  85. Lily
    86 | November 14, 2012 7:38 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    find where BO’s loyalty lies

    Obama’s loyalty begins and ends with himself.

    Always and he will do anything to mantain that too. Screw the country just as long as he is okay.


  86. Guggi
    87 | November 14, 2012 7:39 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I think he does…he appears to not be a chronic womanizer and this was his one gig,

    I don’t know there have been rumors before about cheating his wife.


  87. Lily
    88 | November 14, 2012 7:40 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    find where BO’s loyalty lies
    Obama’s loyalty begins and ends with himself.

    yes, but he has to have a very few people close to him to shield him…we should find out regarding the general soon enough

    The general already showed were his loyality lays..with obama …he lied the first time. You think he is going to re-cant? I don’t.
    By all means I hope he does..put really that is a fairy tale.


  88. buzzsawmonkey
    89 | November 14, 2012 7:41 pm

    You know what would be refereshing?

    For David Petraeus to stand up before Congress in a public forum and say, “The last time I spoke to this body I had my dick caught in a mousetrap. I am now going to tell you the full, unvarnished truth—about Benghazi, about what the President did and did not do, about what the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense did and did not do, about what I did and did not do, and what I and what they knew. My honor is besmirched, and the only way I can clear my honor is to tell what I know.”


  89. brookly red
    90 | November 14, 2012 7:41 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Indeed..and so far there is something to that confidence..I would have never thought he would be re-elected. The man is teflon. Never seen anything like it before concerning a politician.

    ever have a teflon fry pan? they are freaking fantastic until the teflon gets one tiny nick…


  90. Guggi
    91 | November 14, 2012 7:43 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    You know what would be refereshing?
    For David Petraeus to stand up before Congress in a public forum and say, “The last time I spoke to this body I had my dick caught in a mousetrap. I am now going to tell you the full, unvarnished truth—about Benghazi, about what the President did and did not do, about what the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense did and did not do, about what I did and did not do, and what I and what they knew. My honor is besmirched, and the only way I can clear my honor is to tell what I know.”

    dream on :-)


  91. Lily
    92 | November 14, 2012 7:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Not sure..I don’t think him having a affair makes whatever he says not the truth..but will he tell the truth? He seemed to have been black-mailed into thinking if he went along with the obama’s administration meme..he could quietly exit stage left…didn’t happen.

    one would think that someone with that much military experience has a backup plan… we shall see.

    I would hope so…all we need is just one..ONE Patriot ….and then the rest might follow and stand up and the house of cards will fall. Not sure what his B plan is …stay safe and continue the charade or actually stand up and tell the truth.

    It won’t be a patriot (well one acting out of patriotism anyway) that brings O down. Libs suffer from the sin of envy (hence the class warfare) it will be a scorned and jeleaous insider.

    Well obama has certainly scorned a lot of people and nothing has come from that…who knows someone, anyone needs to expose this fraud of a president. But you may be right. Who knows…


  92. brookly red
    93 | November 14, 2012 7:45 pm

    Lily wrote:

    The general already showed were his loyality lays..with obama …he lied the first time. You think he is going to re-cant? I don’t.
    By all means I hope he does..put really that is a fairy tale.

    /you know lying and cheating are resume enhancers for dems…this may all be just a set up to run him in 2016 :)


  93. 94 | November 14, 2012 7:45 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    You know what would be refereshing?
    For David Petraeus to stand up before Congress in a public forum and say, “The last time I spoke to this body I had my dick caught in a mousetrap. I am now going to tell you the full, unvarnished truth—about Benghazi, about what the President did and did not do, about what the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense did and did not do, about what I did and did not do, and what I and what they knew. My honor is besmirched, and the only way I can clear my honor is to tell what I know.”

    While it would in fact be refreshing, it is exactly what will not happen.


  94. buzzsawmonkey
    95 | November 14, 2012 7:45 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    dream on

    Hey, I said it would be refreshing. I didn’t say I expected it to happen.


  95. brookly red
    96 | November 14, 2012 7:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Well obama has certainly scorned a lot of people and nothing has come from that…who knows someone, anyone needs to expose this fraud of a president. But you may be right. Who knows…

    well one has to get caught and plea bargin, same as in the private sector.


  96. Lily
    97 | November 14, 2012 7:47 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    You know what would be refereshing?

    For David Petraeus to stand up before Congress in a public forum and say, “The last time I spoke to this body I had my dick caught in a mousetrap. I am now going to tell you the full, unvarnished truth—about Benghazi, about what the President did and did not do, about what the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense did and did not do, about what I did and did not do, and what I and what they knew. My honor is besmirched, and the only way I can clear my honor is to tell what I know.”

    Now that would be good….let congress know he was being black-mailed and then spill his guts about the whole horrid thing.


  97. 98 | November 14, 2012 7:47 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    I don’t know there have been rumors before about cheating his wife on the Down Low.

    There, fixed that for ya!


  98. buzzsawmonkey
    99 | November 14, 2012 7:47 pm

    Of course, if Petraeus did indeed say what I dreamed of him saying above, I suspect that Congress would be furious—because then it would mandate that they take action against the bandit occupier in the White House, and they would not welcome that in the slightest.


  99. Guggi
    100 | November 14, 2012 7:48 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Hey, I said it would be refreshing. I didn’t say I expected it to happen.

    that’s why I said “dream on” :-)


  100. Lily
    101 | November 14, 2012 7:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Indeed..and so far there is something to that confidence..I would have never thought he would be re-elected. The man is teflon. Never seen anything like it before concerning a politician.

    ever have a teflon fry pan? they are freaking fantastic until the teflon gets one tiny nick…

    Ah yes ….if you happen to burn something on telfon might as well trash the pan. I see where you are going here. Even telfon has it’s weaknesses.


  101. Lily
    102 | November 14, 2012 7:51 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Of course, if Petraeus did indeed say what I dreamed of him saying above, I suspect that Congress would be furious—because then it would mandate that they take action against the bandit occupier in the White House, and they would not welcome that in the slightest.

    Isn’t that the truth…they have been letting obama get away with anything.


  102. 103 | November 14, 2012 7:52 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Of course, if Petraeus did indeed say what I dreamed of him saying above, I suspect that Congress would be furious—because then it would mandate that they take action against the bandit occupier in the White House, and they would not welcome that in the slightest.

    BINGO… On the other hand… if we made it a pay per view event, we could probably pay off the national debt as folks watched their favorite politician’s head explode… Over and over and over again… :twisted:


  103. Lily
    104 | November 14, 2012 7:53 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Hey, I said it would be refreshing. I didn’t say I expected it to happen.

    that’s why I said “dream on”

    Hey sometimes Dreams can come true!


  104. Lily
    105 | November 14, 2012 7:55 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Of course, if Petraeus did indeed say what I dreamed of him saying above, I suspect that Congress would be furious—because then it would mandate that they take action against the bandit occupier in the White House, and they would not welcome that in the slightest.

    BINGO… On the other hand… if we made it a pay per view event, we could probably pay off the national debt as folks watched their favorite politician’s head explode… Over and over and over again…

    Oh hell yes….obama likes to be on TV….let this happen live on TV him being taken down from his imaginary god-like throne. 8-)


  105. Mars
    106 | November 14, 2012 7:57 pm

    The best we can hope for with this administration is a pissed off leftists who feels O hasn’t given them the acclaim/position/bribes they deserve.

    Liberals love their vengeance.


  106. Da_Beerfreak
    107 | November 14, 2012 7:58 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Of course, if Petraeus did indeed say what I dreamed of him saying above, I suspect that Congress would be furious—because then it would mandate that they take action against the bandit occupier in the White House, and they would not welcome that in the slightest.

    I for one would love to see an all out war break out between the Orcs of Mordor on the Potomac and the Chicago Orcs. That would really make my day… :twisted:


  107. lobo91
    108 | November 14, 2012 7:59 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The best we can hope for with this administration is a pissed off leftists who feels O hasn’t given them the acclaim/position/bribes they deserve.

    Liberals love their vengeance.

    I’m pretty sure that’s what yesterday’s White House meeting with MoveOn and the unions was about.

    Now that the election’s over, they want him to stop being so conservative.


  108. brookly red
    109 | November 14, 2012 7:59 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Isn’t that the truth…they have been letting obama get away with anything.

    don’t think for a moment they aren’t looking for a chink in the armor… and you never know where you will find one.


  109. rain of lead
    110 | November 14, 2012 7:59 pm

    heh
    just gave the girl a lession in how to plunge a toilet
    teachable moment in how to deal with lifes shitty issues


  110. Lily
    111 | November 14, 2012 7:59 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The best we can hope for with this administration is a pissed off leftists who feels O hasn’t given them the acclaim/position/bribes they deserve.

    Liberals love their vengeance.

    Indeed…but even before the leftists thought he wasn’t doing enough yet still voted for him. Strange people. People are strange now days.


  111. Lily
    112 | November 14, 2012 8:00 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    heh
    just gave the girl a lession in how to plunge a toilet
    teachable moment in how to deal with lifes shitty issues

    WOW…how odd…husband just had a moment with sons toilet too…
    /odd… 8-)


  112. brookly red
    113 | November 14, 2012 8:02 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I for one would love to see an all out war break out between the Orcs of Mordor on the Potomac and the Chicago Orcs. That would really make my day…

    you know that is a pretty good chance right there


  113. Lily
    114 | November 14, 2012 8:03 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Isn’t that the truth…they have been letting obama get away with anything.

    don’t think for a moment they aren’t looking for a chink in the armor… and you never know where you will find one.

    I have been wondering about that. At first I thought well they are waiting for the election and let the people take care of it ..so they will not have to deal with obama and appear racist. But now …now what are they going to do? He has made enemies with the democrats and the Republicans. So what are they going to do about this occupier of the White House.


  114. brookly red
    115 | November 14, 2012 8:04 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    @ Lily:

    well the powers that be are telling us we don’t need a tea party we need a plunger party :)


  115. rain of lead
    116 | November 14, 2012 8:07 pm

    @ brookly red:

    can you find a plunger the size of the superdome?


  116. Lily
    117 | November 14, 2012 8:09 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    @ Lily:

    well the powers that be are telling us we don’t need a tea party we need a plunger party

    Apparently we need to plunge the toilet that is D.C. now doesn’t it?
    /I don’t believe in coincidences this is a omen. 8-)
    LOL!


  117. buzzsawmonkey
    118 | November 14, 2012 8:09 pm

    BTW—one of the reasons I said it would be “refreshing” in my #89 for Petraeus to stand up and say what I suggested is, that I would like to see if the Big Shot Generals actually believe in any of that “honor” stuff that the military is supposed to be about.


  118. Lily
    119 | November 14, 2012 8:09 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    can you find a plunger the size of the superdome?

    If you build it …people will come. ;)


  119. brookly red
    120 | November 14, 2012 8:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I have been wondering about that. At first I thought well they are waiting for the election and let the people take care of it ..so they will not have to deal with obama and appear racist. But now …now what are they going to do? He has made enemies with the democrats and the Republicans. So what are they going to do about this occupier of the White House.

    same thing they do with any well connected criminal, go after the underlings till one cracks and implicates the boss… fast and furious has not gone away that may be angel. bengazi, maybe… all it could take is one slip up.


  120. brookly red
    121 | November 14, 2012 8:12 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    can you find a plunger the size of the superdome?

    Newark?


  121. brookly red
    122 | November 14, 2012 8:13 pm

    Lily wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    can you find a plunger the size of the superdome?

    If you build it …people will come.

    Stimulis the remix… plunger ready jobs :)


  122. Lily
    123 | November 14, 2012 8:14 pm

    Bad to worse.

    Israel Says Jihadist Rebels In Syria Now Control Almost The Entire Border…

    Nearly all of the Syrian villages along the border with Israel are in rebel hands, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Wednesday, during a tour of the Golan Heights region with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.

    The Daily Telegraph reported late on Tuesday that Syrian rebels have seized control over two towns in the buffer zone with Israel.

    The Syrian military is becoming less efficient, Barak said.

    Barak praised the IDF and said it was closely monitoring “the painful crumbling of the Assad regime.”

    He added that the IDF’s northern Command is ensuring that Syrian fire isn’t directed over the border into Israel, “while making more wide-scale preparations for all developments.”

    “It’s very difficult to estimate what will be in Syria in the future, and we need to be alert and ready here, like in other areas,” the defense minister said.

    The prime minister added that “We are determined to defend our land
    and our borders. We made that clear to the other side.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/14/israel-says-jihadist-rebels-in-syria-now-control-almost-the-entire-border/


  123. Mars
    124 | November 14, 2012 8:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    The best we can hope for with this administration is a pissed off leftists who feels O hasn’t given them the acclaim/position/bribes they deserve.
    Liberals love their vengeance.

    I’m pretty sure that’s what yesterday’s White House meeting with MoveOn and the unions was about.
    Now that the election’s over, they want him to stop being so conservative.

    I’m positive. The union thugs are going to be pressing him hard as hell for full nationalization of industry.


  124. Lily
    125 | November 14, 2012 8:15 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I have been wondering about that. At first I thought well they are waiting for the election and let the people take care of it ..so they will not have to deal with obama and appear racist. But now …now what are they going to do? He has made enemies with the democrats and the Republicans. So what are they going to do about this occupier of the White House.

    same thing they do with any well connected criminal, go after the underlings till one cracks and implicates the boss… fast and furious has not gone away that may be angel. bengazi, maybe… all it could take is one slip up.

    So far that slip hasn’t occurred and I tired of waiting on it. But I hope it comes soon.


  125. lobo91
    126 | November 14, 2012 8:16 pm

    @ Mars:

    Apparently, someone asked Trumka what they discussed, and he said that they told Obama not to even think about any cuts to entitlement programs.


  126. Lily
    127 | November 14, 2012 8:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    BTW—one of the reasons I said it would be “refreshing” in my #89 for Petraeus to stand up and say what I suggested is, that I would like to see if the Big Shot Generals actually believe in any of that “honor” stuff that the military is supposed to be about.

    I concur where is this so called *honor*?


  127. Lily
    128 | November 14, 2012 8:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    The best we can hope for with this administration is a pissed off leftists who feels O hasn’t given them the acclaim/position/bribes they deserve.
    Liberals love their vengeance.

    I’m pretty sure that’s what yesterday’s White House meeting with MoveOn and the unions was about.
    Now that the election’s over, they want him to stop being so conservative.

    I’m positive. The union thugs are going to be pressing him hard as hell for full nationalization of industry.

    A Bad moon is rising..isn’t it?


  128. Lily
    129 | November 14, 2012 8:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:

    Apparently, someone asked Trumka what they discussed, and he said that they told Obama not to even think about any cuts to entitlement programs.

    So thugs are telling obama what to do? Wow …just groovy isn’t it?


  129. Mars
    130 | November 14, 2012 8:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Apparently, someone asked Trumka what they discussed, and he said that they told Obama not to even think about any cuts to entitlement programs.

    Oh I’m sure that’s part of it.

    Funny thing is that by all rights the unions shouldn’t have any interest at all in getting entitlements expanded and increased.

    Yet since they are totally controlled by the international marxists they have to do this crap.

    By the way, where did Trumka get his mustache? Do they have a shop called Stalins Mustache?


  130. Lily
    131 | November 14, 2012 8:22 pm

    @ brookly red:

    :lol: :lol: :lol:


  131. brookly red
    132 | November 14, 2012 8:22 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I’m positive. The union thugs are going to be pressing him hard as hell for full nationalization of industry.

    /were gonna party like its 1917


  132. Mars
    133 | November 14, 2012 8:23 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Apparently, someone asked Trumka what they discussed, and he said that they told Obama not to even think about any cuts to entitlement programs.

    So thugs are telling obama what to do? Wow …just groovy isn’t it?

    Since day one.

    Lily, trust me when I say you should go to the Freedom Center website and get one of their booklets. Once you get one they keep sending you free ones.

    That is the only place I’ve found that sends material that is willing to connect ALL the dots.


  133. Lily
    134 | November 14, 2012 8:26 pm

    @ Mars:

    The Freedom Center?
    Oh I had figured that the thugs were behind obama since day one. He doesn’t hide it all that well.


  134. Mars
    135 | November 14, 2012 8:26 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I’m positive. The union thugs are going to be pressing him hard as hell for full nationalization of industry.
    /were gonna party like its 1917

    I think what drives me crazy is the fact they do this over and over again.

    Everyone should read again Mussolinis planks of facism. What is the difference between that and what the dems have forced on us over the last century?


  135. Lily
    136 | November 14, 2012 8:27 pm

    @ Mars:

    This one?

    http://www.horowitzfreedomcenter.org/


  136. brookly red
    137 | November 14, 2012 8:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    So thugs are telling obama what to do? Wow …just groovy isn’t it?

    And, while Lenin read a book on Marx the quartet practiced in the park, and…
    We sang dirges in the dark the day the music died

    We were singing, bye bye Miss American Pie…


  137. Lily
    138 | November 14, 2012 8:29 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    I’m positive. The union thugs are going to be pressing him hard as hell for full nationalization of industry.

    /were gonna party like its 1917

    Amazing how history repeats itself….


  138. Mars
    139 | November 14, 2012 8:29 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    The Freedom Center?
    Oh I had figured that the thugs were behind obama since day one. He doesn’t hide it all that well.

    http://www.horowitzfreedomcenter.org/

    https://secure.donationreport.com/productlist.html?key=5DGIXYHTRFJI

    That’s the pamphlet link. They are really worth it. The last one I got was about the Muslim Brotherhoods huge infiltration of the O admin.


  139. brookly red
    140 | November 14, 2012 8:30 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I’m positive. The union thugs are going to be pressing him hard as hell for full nationalization of industry.
    /were gonna party like its 1917

    I think what drives me crazy is the fact they do this over and over again.

    Everyone should read again Mussolinis planks of facism. What is the difference between that and what the dems have forced on us over the last century?

    And, as I watched him on the stage my hands were clenched in fists of rage
    No angel born in Hell could break that satan’s spell
    And, as the flames climbed high into the night to light the sacrificial rite, I saw…
    Satan laughing with delight the day the music died


  140. Lily
    141 | November 14, 2012 8:30 pm

    @ brookly red:


  141. Da_Beerfreak
    142 | November 14, 2012 8:32 pm

    @ Mars:
    Got a link for that??


  142. Lily
    143 | November 14, 2012 8:36 pm

    @ Mars:

    Will do on the pamplets …I knew about the Muslim Brotherhood …especially when obama took them off the list of terrorist groups..I went WTH? They are the head of all terrorist groups. I know also how welcome they are to the White House.


  143. brookly red
    144 | November 14, 2012 8:36 pm

    Mars wrote:

    That’s the pamphlet link. They are really worth it. The last one I got was about the Muslim Brotherhoods huge infiltration of the O admin.

    that is nonsense, the word infiltration implys they were not welcomed with open arms…


  144. buzzsawmonkey
    145 | November 14, 2012 8:38 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    We were singing, bye bye Miss American Pie…

    No, no, Senor! Las palabras son,

    Buy, buy Mesoamerican pie…


  145. lobo91
    146 | November 14, 2012 8:40 pm

    @ Lily:

    So thugs are telling obama what to do? Wow …just groovy isn’t it?

    Who do you think owns their party?


  146. brookly red
    147 | November 14, 2012 8:45 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I know also how welcome they are to the White House.

    and that is disturbing… the other night we mused at the petitions to succeed. but there are 10s of millions of people that fear this administration’s intent. I just don’t see this ending peaceably


  147. 148 | November 14, 2012 8:45 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I know also how welcome they are to the White House.

    Didn’t Bush host them after 9/11? And sent CAIR to teach the CIA and FBI on how to be sensitive to Muslims?

    ROPMA


  148. Lily
    149 | November 14, 2012 8:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    So thugs are telling obama what to do? Wow …just groovy isn’t it?

    Who do you think owns their party?

    Thugs. They aren’t all that good on hiding it this time around.


  149. lobo91
    150 | November 14, 2012 8:47 pm

    @ Lily:

    Thugs. They aren’t all that good on hiding it this time around.

    That’s because they aren’t trying to.


  150. Lily
    151 | November 14, 2012 8:47 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I know also how welcome they are to the White House.

    Didn’t Bush host them after 9/11? And sent CAIR to teach the CIA and FBI on how to be sensitive to Muslims?

    ROPMA

    The Muslim Brotherhood? Don’t know …maybe CAIR…I think the Muslim Brotherhood was still on the terrorist watch list then. But I could be wrong. But I do believe it was Obama who took them off the terrorist watch list.


  151. Lily
    152 | November 14, 2012 8:51 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I know also how welcome they are to the White House.

    and that is disturbing… the other night we mused at the petitions to succeed. but there are 10s of millions of people that fear this administration’s intent. I just don’t see this ending peaceably

    Have you looked at the map now of the states that want to secede? Texas got the amount of votes and so does Louisiana. They have the map on Drudge. I have never seen anything like it.

    White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white-house-secede-petitions-reach-660000-signatures-50-state-participation/#ixzz2CFgOEC14


  152. Mars
    153 | November 14, 2012 8:51 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Got a link for that??

    For what?


  153. Lily
    154 | November 14, 2012 8:53 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I know also how welcome they are to the White House.

    and that is disturbing… the other night we mused at the petitions to succeed. but there are 10s of millions of people that fear this administration’s intent. I just don’t see this ending peaceably

    How he got re-elected is beyond belief. Really it is. Oh one could say this or that..or that other thing over there. But it is truly unbelievable.


  154. lobo91
    155 | November 14, 2012 8:53 pm

    @ Lily:

    The Muslim Brotherhood? Don’t know …maybe CAIR…I think the Muslim Brotherhood was still on the terrorist watch list then. But I could be wrong. But I do believe it was Obama who took them off the terrorist watch list.

    I think CAIR is now actually running the FBI.

    It was simpler that way.


  155. lobo91
    156 | November 14, 2012 8:54 pm

    @ Lily:

    How he got re-elected is beyond belief. Really it is. Oh one could say this or that..or that other thing over there. But it is truly unbelievable.

    It depends on the meaning of “re-elected”…


  156. Lily
    157 | November 14, 2012 8:55 pm

    @ Lily:

    Plus I am sure those numbers are growing daily….and the number they have is already old.


  157. Da_Beerfreak
    158 | November 14, 2012 8:55 pm

    @ Mars:
    For the Freedom Center. But I see that was later posted by L. Thanks anyway… :wink:


  158. Lily
    159 | November 14, 2012 8:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    How he got re-elected is beyond belief. Really it is. Oh one could say this or that..or that other thing over there. But it is truly unbelievable.

    It depends on the meaning of “re-elected”…

    True. Like stolen?


  159. lobo91
    160 | November 14, 2012 8:56 pm

    @ Lily:

    True. Like stolen?

    You’re catching on.


  160. Mars
    161 | November 14, 2012 8:57 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    That’s the pamphlet link. They are really worth it. The last one I got was about the Muslim Brotherhoods huge infiltration of the O admin.
    that is nonsense, the word infiltration implys they were not welcomed with open arms…

    I should have said infestation.


  161. Lily
    162 | November 14, 2012 8:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Thugs. They aren’t all that good on hiding it this time around.

    That’s because they aren’t trying to.

    No they aren’t even trying to hide it..and our media cloaks it. Treasonous.
    /does that word have any meaning anymore?


  162. Mars
    163 | November 14, 2012 8:57 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Mars:
    For the Freedom Center. But I see that was later posted by L. Thanks anyway…

    I also posted the link directly to the pamphlets.


  163. lobo91
    164 | November 14, 2012 8:59 pm

    @ Lily:

    No they aren’t even trying to hide it..and our media cloaks it. Treasonous.
    /does that word have any meaning anymore?

    I think it means “someone who eats at Chik-fil-a” now.
    //


  164. brookly red
    165 | November 14, 2012 8:59 pm

    Lily wrote:

    True. Like stolen?

    not stolen, bribed fair and square


  165. Lily
    166 | November 14, 2012 8:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    The Muslim Brotherhood? Don’t know …maybe CAIR…I think the Muslim Brotherhood was still on the terrorist watch list then. But I could be wrong. But I do believe it was Obama who took them off the terrorist watch list.

    I think CAIR is now actually running the FBI.

    It was simpler that way.

    Actually I think you are correct. Isn’t there anyone saying anything about this??? Anyone?


  166. lobo91
    167 | November 14, 2012 9:01 pm

    @ Lily:

    Actually I think you are correct. Isn’t there anyone saying anything about this??? Anyone?

    Only people who eat at Chik-fil-a.


  167. Lily
    168 | November 14, 2012 9:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    True. Like stolen?

    You’re catching on.

    I kinda got that impression when they were calling states for obama with 0% reporting in. Now that was a red flag there if there ever was one. ;)


  168. lobo91
    169 | November 14, 2012 9:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    True. Like stolen?

    not stolen, bribed fair and square

    No, I’m pretty sure that a good portion of it was stolen, too.


  169. Lily
    170 | November 14, 2012 9:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    True. Like stolen?

    not stolen, bribed fair and square

    Stolen, bribed, votes for Romney went to obama..it’s a mixed soup.


  170. lobo91
    171 | November 14, 2012 9:04 pm

    @ Lily:

    I kinda got that impression when they were calling states for obama with 0% reporting in. Now that was a red flag there if there ever was one.

    That didn’t bother me. They only did that with states where everyone knew what the outcome would be.

    Now, the fact that there are still 300,000 uncounted ballots in Ohio, where the margin of victory was a little over 100,000 votes bothers me.


  171. Lily
    172 | November 14, 2012 9:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    No they aren’t even trying to hide it..and our media cloaks it. Treasonous.
    /does that word have any meaning anymore?

    I think it means “someone who eats at Chik-fil-a” now.
    //

    Or if they want to secede from the United States.
    But most certianly if you eat at Chik-fil-a.


  172. Mars
    173 | November 14, 2012 9:05 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    No they aren’t even trying to hide it..and our media cloaks it. Treasonous.
    /does that word have any meaning anymore?
    I think it means “someone who eats at Chik-fil-a” now.
    //

    Or if they want to secede from the United States.
    But most certianly if you eat at Chik-fil-a.

    Or if you eat at Papa Johns on this Friday.


  173. lobo91
    174 | November 14, 2012 9:05 pm

    @ Lily:

    Stolen, bribed, votes for Romney went to obama..it’s a mixed soup.

    When it comes to stealing elections, the Democrats are professionals.

    They’ve been perfecting their technique for 150 years, after all.


  174. Lily
    175 | November 14, 2012 9:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I kinda got that impression when they were calling states for obama with 0% reporting in. Now that was a red flag there if there ever was one.

    That didn’t bother me. They only did that with states where everyone knew what the outcome would be.

    Now, the fact that there are still 300,000 uncounted ballots in Ohio, where the margin of victory was a little over 100,000 votes bothers me.

    Well that is troublesome there. What bothered me also is the votes that were cast for Romney went to obama..or NBP still watching over voting sites or murals of obama at voting sites.


  175. Lily
    176 | November 14, 2012 9:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Stolen, bribed, votes for Romney went to obama..it’s a mixed soup.

    When it comes to stealing elections, the Democrats are professionals.

    They’ve been perfecting their technique for 150 years, after all.

    I can see that..now how do we correct it..there is the question.


  176. 177 | November 14, 2012 9:07 pm

    Lily wrote:

    The Muslim Brotherhood? Don’t know …maybe CAIR…I think the Muslim Brotherhood was still on the terrorist watch list then.

    I think you might be right, I might have gotten the meet and greet Obama had with them mixed up with Bush’s freedom agenda. Bush pressured Mubarak and Israel to open up their elections more and the MB made gains in Egypt’s parliament and Hamas got elected in Gaza. He also coined the Religion of Peace crap. I used to think Islam could exist with democracy and used Turkey as an example. Then I saw where Turkey was headed, watched the cartoon riots, etc. and realized I was being naive. However the Republican establishment still thinks it can work.


  177. 178 | November 14, 2012 9:08 pm

    New Thread.


  178. lobo91
    179 | November 14, 2012 9:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    Well that is troublesome there. What bothered me also is the votes that were cast for Romney went to obama..or NBP still watching over voting sites or murals of obama at voting sites.

    It’s really too bad that we don’t have a group of people who could go out and look at things like that, and write stories about them so that the rest of us would know what’s going on, isn’t it?

    I know it’s a radical concept…


  179. lobo91
    180 | November 14, 2012 9:10 pm

    @ Rancher:

    However the Republican establishment still thinks it can work.

    Hell, the Republican establishment still believes that democracy can coexist with Democrats.


  180. Mars
    181 | November 14, 2012 9:10 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    The Muslim Brotherhood? Don’t know …maybe CAIR…I think the Muslim Brotherhood was still on the terrorist watch list then.
    I think you might be right, I might have gotten the meet and greet Obama had with them mixed up with Bush’s freedom agenda. Bush pressured Mubarak and Israel to open up their elections more and the MB made gains in Egypt’s parliament and Hamas got elected in Gaza. He also coined the Religion of Peace crap. I used to think Islam could exist with democracy and used Turkey as an example. Then I saw where Turkey was headed, watched the cartoon riots, etc. and realized I was being naive. However the Republican establishment still thinks it can work.

    Let’s also not forget that the man heading the fight on fiscal responsibility on the right may be in the pocket of the Muslim Brotherhood too.


  181. Lily
    182 | November 14, 2012 9:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Well that is troublesome there. What bothered me also is the votes that were cast for Romney went to obama..or NBP still watching over voting sites or murals of obama at voting sites.

    It’s really too bad that we don’t have a group of people who could go out and look at things like that, and write stories about them so that the rest of us would know what’s going on, isn’t it?

    I know it’s a radical concept…

    Oh you mean like in the old days when reporter’s would actually report the news? That is too radical lobo waaaaaaaay too radical! 8-)


  182. lobo91
    183 | November 14, 2012 9:13 pm

    @ Lily:

    Oh you mean like in the old days when reporter’s would actually report the news? That is too radical lobo waaaaaaaay too radical!

    That “press conference” today was a disgrace.


  183. lobo91
    184 | November 14, 2012 9:16 pm

    Ruh roh…looks like Fox News didn’t get the memo.

    Here’s the top headline on their site:

    Rice Had ‘Nothing to Do’ With Libya,
    So Why Was She Asked to Explain?

    Funny…I had that exact same thought about 3 seconds after Obama said that.

    How come nobody asked him about it?


  184. 185 | November 14, 2012 9:16 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Let’s also not forget that the man heading the fight on fiscal responsibility on the right may be in the pocket of the Muslim Brotherhood too.

    Lindsey Grahm? McCain? Who are you refering too?


  185. lobo91
    186 | November 14, 2012 9:17 pm

    @ Rancher:

    Lindsey Grahm? McCain? Who are you refering too?

    Grover Norquist


  186. RIX
    187 | November 14, 2012 9:21 pm

    @ lobo91:
    How about the reporter that congratulated Obama on his victory?
    She went on to say she has seen all of his victories and closed her
    eyes the only time that he lost.
    Pat Cadell is right about the Media, they are the enemy of the
    American people.


  187. 188 | November 14, 2012 9:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Grover Norquist

    Ah yes, he worked for them.


  188. lobo91
    189 | November 14, 2012 9:23 pm

    @ RIX:

    I loved the way he told them to leave Rice alone and go after him if they had questions about Benghazi.

    And then Ed Henry asked him a question about it and he got all indignant.


  189. lobo91
    190 | November 14, 2012 9:23 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Grover Norquist

    Ah yes, he worked for them.

    And his wife is a Muslim.


  190. 191 | November 14, 2012 9:27 pm

    Speaking of Norquist maybe I was thinking of Suhail Khan when I said Bush had MB at the White House, he actually worked there or something.


  191. RIX
    192 | November 14, 2012 9:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I loved the way he told them to leave Rice alone and go after him if they had questions about Benghazi.

    And then Ed Henry asked him a question about it and he got all indignant.

    Obama was trying to come across all heroic. He is a fraud.
    I don’t care about Petreaus having a girl friend.
    I want to know why those guys weren’t rescued in Benghazi.


  192. lobo91
    193 | November 14, 2012 9:32 pm

    @ RIX:

    I don’t care about Petreaus having a girl friend.
    I want to know why those guys weren’t rescued in Benghazi.

    Well, Obama says he’s responsible.

    Just don’t actually ask him any questions about it or anything.


  193. RIX
    194 | November 14, 2012 9:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I don’t care about Petreaus having a girl friend.
    I want to know why those guys weren’t rescued in Benghazi.

    Well, Obama says he’s responsible.

    Just don’t actually ask him any questions about it or anything.

    He gets all outraged when he’s pressed. Maybe questions are
    just racist.


  194. darkwords
    195 | November 14, 2012 9:42 pm

    @ 73 heysoos: It will be the time where Petraeus gets to set the record straight and is he just a company man to the end or is he a man for the country. One legacy is big the other very very small.


  195. darkwords
    196 | November 14, 2012 9:44 pm

    @ lobo91: I guess she was asked to explain because she had noting to do with it. lol on obama


  196. Mars
    197 | November 14, 2012 9:48 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Let’s also not forget that the man heading the fight on fiscal responsibility on the right may be in the pocket of the Muslim Brotherhood too.
    Lindsey Grahm? McCain? Who are you refering too?

    Grover Norquist.


  197. Mars
    198 | November 14, 2012 9:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rancher:
    Lindsey Grahm? McCain? Who are you refering too?
    Grover Norquist

    Didn’t notice you already answered. Sorry.


  198. brookly red
    199 | November 14, 2012 9:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I don’t care about Petreaus having a girl friend.
    I want to know why those guys weren’t rescued in Benghazi.

    Well, Obama says he’s responsible.

    I have been on a jury before and sounds like a a confession to me.


  199. livefreeor die
    200 | November 14, 2012 9:51 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    Petraeus will stick to the script
    he lied once,he’s not about to change his story now

    I’m late to the party but one reason for him not to lie is that he will be under oath this time. On top of everything else, the last thing he needs is a perjury charge.


  200. Mars
    201 | November 14, 2012 9:53 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:

    Petraeus will stick to the script
    he lied once,he’s not about to change his story now

    I’m late to the party but one reason for him not to lie is that he will be under oath this time. On top of everything else, the last thing he needs is a perjury charge.

    Presidential pardons all around. Step right up, buy your pardon. We take all major credit cards, cash, blood, souls, and loyalty.


  201. livefreeor die
    202 | November 14, 2012 9:54 pm

    @ Mars:
    Speaking of which, the person most bummed out by Obama’s winning reelection-Mumia!


  202. Mars
    203 | November 14, 2012 9:55 pm

    @ livefreeor die:
    Heh.


  203. lobo91
    204 | November 14, 2012 10:00 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Speaking of which, the person most bummed out by Obama’s winning reelection-Mumia!

    Why? He’s a state prisoner. Obama can’t pardon him.


  204. livefreeor die
    205 | November 14, 2012 10:06 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I thought he was Federal. My bad.


  205. lobo91
    206 | November 14, 2012 10:09 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I thought he was Federal. My bad.

    Nope. He killed a local cop.


  206. randian
    207 | November 14, 2012 11:37 pm

    Sounds good. I am too cynical to believe it will ever happen. Why, it would racist!


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