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‘Absolutely no way’ Arafat was poisoned – however he is still dead

by Speranza ( 122 Comments › )
Filed under Fatah, France, Israel, Palestinians at November 15th, 2012 - 8:00 am

All that matters is that he is still dead.

Paris- A leading French doctor who teaches at the Paris hospital where Yasser Arafat died in 2004 has broken the official French medical silence surrounding the case to tell The Times of Israel, based on Arafat’s medical report, that there is “absolutely no way” the Palestinian leader was poisoned.

Dr. Roland Masse, a member of the prestigious Académie de Médecine who currently teaches radiopathology at Percy Military Training Hospital in the Paris suburb of Clamart, where Arafat was hospitalized two weeks before his death on November 11 eight years ago, spoke to The Times of Israel to scotch the allegations of polonium poisoning two weeks before a group of scientists are set to take samples for testing from Arafat’s body.

Masse said the symptoms of polonium poisoning would have been “impossible to miss,” noted that Percy had tested Arafat for radiation poisoning, and revealed that the hospital specializes in the related field of radiation detection. “A lethal level of polonium simply cannot go unnoticed,” he said, speaking as workers in Ramallah on Tuesday began the process of preparing Arafat’s grave for exhumation.

Dr. Thierry Revel, the head of the Hematology Department at Percy who signed the medical report on November 14, 2004, has refused to comment on the case. Indeed, medical confidentiality laws prevent doctors in France from divulging any information on their current or past patients. It was Arafat’s family that chose to make public the late Palestinian leader’s medical report; Al Jazeera, a Qatar-based news outlet, said in July that it had received the report from Arafat’s widow Suha.

In a telephone interview with The Times of Israel, Masse said flatly that “there is absolutely no way the symptoms described in Yasser Arafat’s medical report match those of poisoning by polonium.”

Masse elaborated: “When in contact with high levels of polonium, the body suffers from acute radiation which translates into a state of anemia and a severe decrease in white blood cells. And yet Arafat did not present any of those symptoms. What did decrease was his platelets, not his white blood cells,” said Masse, who may have been prepared to discuss the case because he does not treat patients at Percy, only teaching there. (He said the medical team at Percy would have had no need to consult with him, given their high level of expertise.)

Noting that radiation detection happens to be one of the areas in which Percy military hospital excels, Masse said that while Arafat’s medical report contains no specific reference to a test for polonium, it does specify that a number of tests were conducted to check if the patient had been subjected to radioactive substances.

Polonium-210, which Yasser Arafat’s widow Suha believes may have caused her husband’s death, is a rare chemical that became more familiar to the public a few years ago when it was used to murder Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian spy, in London in 2006.

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Masse was in charge of “national radioactivity supervision” in France in the 1990s — as head of the Office de Protection des Rayonnements Ionisants (OPRI — the Bureau for Protection against Ionizing Radiation), which worked under the authority of the French Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Labour to protect French citizens and the environment from the effects of ionizing radiation. In the job, he said, he received daily alerts about the presence of far lower levels of radioactive elements than would have been necessary to kill a man; these alerts came from waste collection sites, for example, and from people who had recently undergone medical treatments involving the application of radioactive substances.

Arafat was reported by his doctors in Ramallah to be suffering from flu in late October, 2004, and was treated by a team of Palestinian, Egyptian, Jordanian and Tunisian doctors for what were then described as symptoms of “anorexia, nausea and nasal congestion.” His condition deteriorated, and he was helicoptered to Jordan and then taken by French government jet to France and admitted to Percy.

On arrival, Arafat was diagnosed with “thrombocytopenia and persistent digestive problems,” according to his medical report. After a series of tests, the doctors specified that Arafat suffered from Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (DIC), a blood disorder which leads to the formation of small blood clots throughout the body and can be the result of a number of diseases. Arafat’s health then rapidly deteriorated. He fell into a coma on November 3 and died eight days later.

In July, Al Jazeera claimed that tests carried out by the Institute of Radiation Physics at the University of Lausanne had found traces of polonium on Arafat’s belongings in quantities much higher than could occur naturally. A spokesman for the institute, however, said “conclusions could not be drawn as to whether the Palestinian leader was poisoned or not.”

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On Tuesday, Palestinian sources said, two weeks of work to open Arafat’s grave began, with the removal of “concrete and stones from Arafat’s mausoleum,” according to AFP. “There are several phases,” the news agency quoted a Palestinian source saying. “It starts with the removal of stone and concrete and cutting the iron (framework) until they reach the soil that covers the body, which will not be removed until the arrival of the French prosecutors, Swiss experts and Russian investigators.”

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The French Ministry of Defense, which is responsible for the Percy hospital, told The Times of Israel that, given the formal complaint submitted by the Arafat family over the case, the ministry “cannot comment on the case due to confidentiality of investigation laws.”

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  1. rain of lead
    1 | November 15, 2012 8:17 am

    mornin ya’ll
    hey remember when the benghazi thing first happened and the idea was floated that stevens death was actually a botched kidnapping?
    The thought was dismissed as wacky conspirecy

    PERHAPS it was not so far fetched

    Retired Admiral Says Ambassador Stevens’ Death Was a Botched Kidnapping (Video)

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/retired-admiral-james-lyons-ambassador-stevens-death-at-the-consulate-was-a-botched-kidnapping-video/

    or maybe he’s just senile


  2. rain of lead
    2 | November 15, 2012 8:25 am

    bwahahahahahah

    The Israel Defense Forces have taken to Twitter (@IDFSpokesman) to frame the narrative before the anti-Israeli international media can do so, and it’s driving them crazy.

    http://techcrunch.com/2012/11/14/israeli-military-live-tweets-war-a-captive-audience-for-real-time-propaganda/

    hmmmm
    I think I like this @IDFspoksperson


  3. Speranza
    3 | November 15, 2012 8:30 am

    Why is this thread of mine up at 8 am and there is another thread of mine at 7 am??????


  4. Storagemanager
    4 | November 15, 2012 8:32 am

    Obama and McCain are very happy…Israel not so much…

    Nearly all of the Syrian villages along the border with Israel are in rebel hands, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Wednesday, during a tour of the Golan Heights region with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.

    The Daily Telegraph reported late on Tuesday that Syrian rebels have seized control over two towns in the buffer zone with Israel.

    The Syrian military is becoming less efficient, Barak said.

    Barak praised the IDF and said it was closely monitoring “the painful crumbling of the Assad regime.”

    He added that the IDF’s northern Command is ensuring that Syrian fire isn’t directed over the border into Israel, “while making more wide-scale preparations for all developments.”

    “It’s very difficult to estimate what will be in Syria in the future, and we need to be alert and ready here, like in other areas,” the defense minister said.

    The prime minister added that “We are determined to defend our land and our borders. We made that clear to the other side.”
    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/14/israel-says-jihadist-rebels-in-syria-now-control-almost-the-entire-border/


  5. Storagemanager
    5 | November 15, 2012 8:34 am

    IDF strikes 200 Gaza targets

    Army says that it has been striking Gaza terror hubs, weapons caches around the clock since beginning of Operation Pillar of Defense; escalated rocket fire expected
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4305738,00.html


  6. rain of lead
    6 | November 15, 2012 8:34 am

    Tweet of the Year:

    IDF✔
    @IDFSpokesperson

    We recommend that no Hamas operatives, whether low level or senior leaders, show their faces above ground in the days ahead.


  7. rain of lead
    7 | November 15, 2012 8:35 am

    the IDF needs to go General Sherman on the gaza strip


  8. 8 | November 15, 2012 8:36 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Why wouldthe media backlash against someone bypassing them?> They’ve been cool with Obama doing it for four years. Oh, yeah, this is Israel. But how are they going to get any more negative towards Israel than they already are? Remember them reporting “atrocities” in Janine that never happened? At least this way we can get the real scoop bypassing the biased propaganda of the MFM.


  9. rain of lead
    9 | November 15, 2012 8:40 am

    the shape of things to come

    Florida restaurant owner adding surcharge on menu for Obamacare

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/15/florida-restaurant-owner-adding-surcharge-on-menu-for-obamacare/#ixzz2CIYV63CB

    John Metz, a restaurant owner ., says he plans to charge his customers a five-percent surcharge and decrease his employees’ hours to offset the costs of Obamacare on his businesses.

    “If I leave the prices the same, but, say on the menu that there is a five-percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices. They can either pay it, and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare,” Metz told The Huffington Post.

    “Although it may sound terrible that I’m doing this, it’s the only alternative. I’ve got to pass the cost on to the consumer,” he added.

    He owns the Hurricane Grill & Wings franchise and is the president and owner of RREMC Restaurants, which oversees approximately 40 Denny’s restaurants and several Dairy Queen stops.

    “I think it’s a terrible thing. It’s ridiculous that the maximum hours we can give people is 28 hours a week instead of 40,” Metz added


  10. Storagemanager
    10 | November 15, 2012 8:40 am

    Ahmed Jabari was replaced as commander of the Hamas’ military wing, Ezz e-din al-Qassam, Thursday, the day of his funeral in Gaza City, by his deputy Marwan Issa. DEBKAfile: Issa, who is in charge of Hamas’s special operations units, headed the radical organization’s military delegation which travelled to Tehran and Beirut in mid-September and signed secret mutual defense pacts with Iran and Hizballah.
    http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/2873/


  11. rain of lead
    11 | November 15, 2012 8:41 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    yeah
    mfm’s template….if you don’t like something, make shit up


  12. Storagemanager
    12 | November 15, 2012 8:43 am

    In a meeting on the evening of November 13, 2012, the Jordanian government approved a decision to cancel fuel subsidies; as a result, fuel prices in the country are expected to rise between 16%-32%. Following this decision, violent protests broke out in many cities and provinces across the country, including in the capital Amman. Thousands gathered in Amman’s central Al-Dakhiliyya Square and announced a sit-down strike; in the various provinces and in other Jordanian cities, protestors shouted unprecedentedly harsh slogans against the regime and particularly against King ‘Abdallah II.[1]

    Jordanian Prime Minister: Decision Is Final, Should Have Been Made Two Years Ago

    Further enraging the Jordanian opposition forces and citizens were statements by Jordanian Prime Minister ‘Abdallah Ensour in an interview with Jordanian television that same evening. Ensour said that the decision to cut the subsidy was final and irrevocable, and explained that “if this move is postponed, we will face disaster and bankruptcy.” Warning the Muslim Brotherhood (MB), which is the main opposition force in the kingdom, not to take advantage of the expected price increase to stir up the street, he added that the organization had been inciting against this move for weeks.
    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6811.htm


  13. 13 | November 15, 2012 8:44 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    “I think it’s a terrible thing. It’s ridiculous that the maximum hours we can give people is 28 hours a week instead of 40,” Metz added

    This was a totally foreseeable consewuence of ObamaCare. What is going to become standard for low wage workers is to have two or even three jobs to get a regular 40-hour work-week. They won’t ever get overtime, and they won’ tbe eligible for benefits. That is, of course, if they can find two or three jobs to actually work. That will be another problem. Underemployment will become a lot more common, and it is already too common.


  14. Speranza
    14 | November 15, 2012 8:45 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Ahmed Jabari was replaced as commander of the Hamas’ military wing, Ezz e-din al-Qassam, Thursday, the day of his funeral in Gaza City, by his deputy Marwan Issa. DEBKAfile: Issa, who is in charge of Hamas’s special operations units, headed the radical organization’s military delegation which travelled to Tehran and Beirut in mid-September and signed secret mutual defense pacts with Iran and Hizballah.
    http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/2873/

    Never pay attention to DEBKA File.


  15. Storagemanager
    15 | November 15, 2012 8:47 am

    Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu talked with his US counterpart, Hillary Clinton, on phone on Israeli attacks on Gaza.

    Diplomatic sources said Clinton and Davutoğlu stressed the importance of de-escalating tensions in the region by taking steps.

    Israel exchanged the fiercest fire with Hamas in years after assassinating its military mastermind and threatening a wider offensive in the Gaza Strip to stem Palestinian rocket salvoes.

    Launched on Wednesday during a deceptive lull in almost a week of surging cross-border violence, Israel’s air assault had an intensity recalling the outset of the 2008-2009 Gaza war. The Palestinian death toll was 13 while three Israelis killed.

    Davutoğlu and Clinton also discussed the latest situation in Syria and Turkish-Syrian border tensions.

    Turkey sent fighter jets to its southeastern frontier with Syria for a second day on Thursday, following an air assault this week by Syrian warplanes on the opposition-held border town of Ras al-Ain.
    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-298260-davutoglu-clinton-discuss-gaza-crisis.html


  16. Storagemanager
    16 | November 15, 2012 8:51 am

    @ Speranza:
    everything they said was true…Hamas did go to Iran..some of the weapons bombed last night were in fact from Iran….


  17. rain of lead
    17 | November 15, 2012 8:52 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    no,no,no
    it obamas plan to LOWER unemployment
    the mans a genius you see
    you fire one full timer and replace him with three part timers
    voila…
    lower unemployment
    genius i tell ya
    .
    .
    .
    .
    ///
    if you missed it


  18. 18 | November 15, 2012 8:52 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    This was a totally foreseeable consewuence of ObamaCare. What is going to become standard for low wage workers is to have two or even three jobs to get a regular 40-hour work-week. They won’t ever get overtime, and they won’ tbe eligible for benefits. That is, of course, if they can find two or three jobs to actually work. That will be another problem. Underemployment will become a lot more common, and it is already too common.

    Of course it was. I mentioned yesterday that Medved was discussing election stats and he said that Romney carried “middle class” voters by 6 points, with “middle class” being defined as household income of $50K-$100K. Among those with household incomes $50K and over, he won by 8 points.

    I wonder what the percentage of all Obama voters pay no income tax at all? I’d expect they’re his single largest constituency……if not a majority.

    Anyone who thinks that it’s not in Democrats’ best interest to expand the ranks of low income Americans is ignoring glaring facts to the contrary.


  19. Storagemanager
    19 | November 15, 2012 8:54 am

    The Grand Imam of Egypt’s powerful al-Azhar Mosque denounced Israel’s strikes on Gaza on Wednesday, calling them the “Zionist army’s bombing of innocent civilians”, Egyptian and Saudi news sources reported.
    In his statement on Wednesday, Mohamed Ahmed El Tayeb warned the “Zionist entity” against continuing the strikes, which he said were “brutal” and would lead the entire region into a wider conflict.

    El Tayeb called on the United Nations and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation to act for the people of Gaza and deter the “usurper entity from exercising its barbarism against defenseless civilians”, according to Saudi Arabia’s Bab news site.

    The Grand Imam said Palestinians in Gaza had a “right to live safely like any other human beings.”

    However, in his statement El Tayeb did not mention or allude to the rocket attacks against Israel….
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/


  20. 20 | November 15, 2012 8:56 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    the IDF needs to go General Sherman on the gaza strip

    “The IDF’s March to the Sea” does have a catchy ring to it, doesn’t it?


  21. Speranza
    21 | November 15, 2012 9:00 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    everything they said was true…Hamas did go to Iran..some of the weapons bombed last night were in fact from Iran….

    The broken clock being right twice a day yadda yadda … DEBKA FILE is a notoriously inaccurate sensationalist blog which is worthy of National Enquirer and yes the National Enquirer got the John Edwards thing right.

    The site started in the summer of 2000, and is operated from the Jerusalem home of journalists Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem.[1] It has been awarded Forbes’ Best of the Web award.[2] Forbes identifies the best part of the website as being its archives, but decries the fact that “most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources.”

    Wired.com’s Noah Shachtman wrote in 2001 that the site “clearly reports with a point of view; the site is unabashedly in the hawkish camp of Israeli politics,” adding that Debka had partnered with the right-wing news site WorldNetDaily for a weekly subscription product.[3] Yediot Achronot investigative reporter Ronen Bergman states that the site relies on information from sources with an agenda, such as neo-conservative elements of the US Republican Party, “whose worldview is that the situation is bad and is only going to get worse,” and that Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site’s content to be reliable.[1] Cornell Law professor Michael C. Dorf calls Debka his “favorite alarmist Israeli website trading in rumors.”[4]


  22. Purre
    22 | November 15, 2012 9:02 am

    @ MacDuff:
    Well, more than “PokeHamas -- Gotta kill ‘em all.”


  23. Storagemanager
    23 | November 15, 2012 9:06 am

    Israel is not America…they kill the enemy…America gives them guns..


  24. Storagemanager
    24 | November 15, 2012 9:07 am

    @ Speranza:
    The story was right…that is why I posted it.


  25. 25 | November 15, 2012 9:09 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Anyone who thinks that it’s not in Democrats’ best interest to expand the ranks of low income Americans is ignoring glaring facts to the contrary.

    Exactly! The Democrats want to destroy the Middle Class, yet they ortray themselves as the protector of it! And the Republicans let them get away with it. We need a Republican Party that knows how to fight, and which fights to pick. We need a Republican Party that thinks strategically. Hell, I’d settle for a Republicna Party that knew how to think tactically. We got beaten because of inferior tactics in the last campaign. We didn’t get our voters to the polls in the critical states. In any event, as I have commented before, the Democrats want to destroy upward mobility. They want a rigidly stratified society. One where your birth determines your future. They want the Welfare Class to be bor into welfare, live on welfare, and die on welfare. They’d like to get rid of the middle class entirely, and then have the rich elites (themselves) born into the ruling class. There dream is an anti-American nightmare.


  26. Storagemanager
    26 | November 15, 2012 9:09 am

    Cardinal Dolan: U.S. Catholic bishops won’t comply with Obama rule on birth control coverage in insurance

    A top American bishop said Tuesday the Roman Catholic church will not comply with the Obama administration requirement that most employers provide health insurance covering birth control.

    Read more: Family Security Matters http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/#ixzz2CIgS2G9c
    Under Creative Commons License: Attribution


  27. MikeA
    27 | November 15, 2012 9:12 am

    @ MacDuff:

    The muzzies always say they want to push the jews to the sea. If they march the IDF with the muzzies infront of them to the sea, doesn’t this satisfy them? ;)

    Then the IDF can have a big beach party afterwards…


  28. 28 | November 15, 2012 9:12 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Obama is the most anti-Catholic President the United States has ever had, yet a majority of Catholics voted for him. Of course, he is also the most anti-Israel President we’ve ever had (possibly the most anti-Semitic, too) yet a large majority of Jews voted for him. All I can conclude from this is that these people don’t take their religion seriously. I know that to be the case with Jews (many, perhaps most even, who are secular), but I am surprised by the Catholic vote.


  29. Storagemanager
    29 | November 15, 2012 9:13 am

    Israel has finally struck back against the terrorist enclave of Gaza after having 120 rockets fired at it since Saturday and over 700 this year alone. For now, the Obama administration is rhetorically supporting Israel, but the Muslim Brotherhood government in Egypt is doubling down on its support for Hamas, Gaza’s ruling terrorist organization, and has withdrawn its ambassador to Israel. U.S.-based Islamists and their non-Muslim allies can be counted on in the ensuing days to pressure the administration to throw Israel under the bus in favor of the Islamist rulers of Egypt. If Egypt takes action, the administration will have to choose between its relationship with Israel or its relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood. There is no middle ground to straddle. http://frontpagemag.com/2012/ryan-mauro/muslim-brotherhood-mobilizes-for-hamas/


  30. 30 | November 15, 2012 9:14 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Bomb it into rubble, then line up the bulldozers (Catapillar!) and push the rubble into the Mediterrannean. Problem solved.


  31. Storagemanager
    31 | November 15, 2012 9:16 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I know…my SIL voted for Obama and she is Catholic….her Husband and Daughters did also..


  32. 32 | November 15, 2012 9:17 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    As I said yesterday, militarily Egypt can do nothing. If she tries to fight Israel, the Israelis will destroy them in detail. However, that doesn’t mean the Egyptians won’t try to do something. The Egyptians are Islamists, and Islamists are bugfuck insane.


  33. Storagemanager
    33 | November 15, 2012 9:21 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    They love death…more than we love life….that is a quote..


  34. Storagemanager
    34 | November 15, 2012 9:22 am

    Obamacare is the law of the land…expect more…

    More Americans than forecast submitted claims for unemployment insurance last week as superstorm Sandy also wreaked havoc on the job market.

    Applications for jobless benefits surged by 78,000 to 439,000 in the week ended Nov. 10, the most since April 2011, the Labor Department said today in Washington. Several states said the increase was due to the storm that hit the Northeastern part of the U.S. in late October, a Labor Department spokesman said as the data were released to the press.

    The extent of the damage means it may take weeks for the underlying trend in firings to again become clear. Before the storm, the labor market was gaining momentum even as year-end domestic fiscal policy uncertainties raised concern among businesses.

    “Based on previous extreme-weather episodes, we typically see the associative claims coming in over several weeks,” Jim O’Sullivan, chief U.S. economist for High Frequency Economics Ltd. in Valhalla, New York, said before the report. “It’s not a booming labor market, but it is a recovering labor market. Certainly prior to the storm, there was no sign that there was any deterioration.”

    Sandy struck the Northeast region, including New York and New Jersey, as it came ashore Oct. 29, and those who lost their jobs because the storm shuttered businesses may keep filing claims in coming weeks.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/jobless-numbers-surge-by-78000-week-after-election/


  35. Speranza
    35 | November 15, 2012 9:23 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    They love death…more than we love life….that is a quote..

    I say give them plenty of what they want.


  36. Storagemanager
    36 | November 15, 2012 9:26 am

    Egypt’s Foreign Minister Mohamed Kamel Amr called on the United States to “immediately intervene” to end “Israeli aggression on Gaza, Reuters reported Thursday.

    Amr “requested that the United States immediately intervene to stop Israeli aggression on the Palestinian people in Gaza,” MENA news agency reported, adding that Amr spoke to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton by telephone.

    The United States said Wednesday it supported Israel’s right to self-defense and condemned militant rocket attacks on southern Israel.

    But U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner said in a statement that “we encourage Israel to continue to take every effort to avoid civilian casualties” as it unveiled an operation targeting militant groups in the Palestinian territory.

    On Thursday France has also said Israeli has the right to self-defense.

    Mursi says attack ‘unacceptable’

    Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi said Israel’s attacks on the Gaza Strip were “unacceptable” and would destabilize the region, in a televised address to the nation on Thursday.
    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/15/249772.html


  37. Storagemanager
    37 | November 15, 2012 9:30 am

    A song. A psalm of Asaph.

    1 O God, do not remain silent;
    do not turn a deaf ear,
    do not stand aloof, O God.
    2 See how your enemies growl,
    how your foes rear their heads.
    3 With cunning they conspire against your people;
    they plot against those you cherish.
    4 “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation,
    so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.”

    5 With one mind they plot together;
    they form an alliance against you—
    6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
    of Moab and the Hagrites,
    7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek,
    Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
    8 Even Assyria has joined them
    to reinforce Lot’s descendants.[b]

    9 Do to them as you did to Midian,
    as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,
    10 who perished at Endor
    and became like dung on the ground.
    11 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb,
    all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,
    12 who said, “Let us take possession
    of the pasturelands of God.”
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps%2083&version=NIV


  38. Storagemanager
    38 | November 15, 2012 9:33 am

    Denny’s To Charge 5% “Obamacare Surcharge” Along With Cutting Employee Hours To Deal With Cost Of The Law… http://weaselzippers.us/


  39. waldensianspirit
    39 | November 15, 2012 9:34 am

    2013: A Century Of Progress


  40. Storagemanager
    40 | November 15, 2012 9:37 am

    This Saturday, the Midwest Marxist Conference was held at Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism. The event was teeming with teachers who spoke about the new found bond between the radical socialists and their Teachers Union. The all-day event, which collected money to support Chicago Socialists and featured a communist bookstore, provided students on-campus along with the radical left community to plan the next phase in their activism.

    Becca Barnes, a Chicago Teachers Union teacher and organizer with Chicago Socialists, proclaimed at the beginning of the conference that “the struggle here in the United States has entered a new phase. Nowhere have we pointed the way forward more clearly than here in Chicago with the teachers union strike.”

    After the opening plenary, breakout sessions addressed more specific topics like the history of the Democrat party, education, and case studies in Russia. In these sessions, speakers continued to celebrate the use of education as a mechanism to insert Marxism into public institutions. In one session, the idea of targeting their message to students, even over “the working class,” was debated.

    One teacher, who spoke in an afternoon session, described his tactics to overcome the problem of teachers’ unwillingness to take part in the strike, while Chicago Teachers Union Vice President Jesse Sharkey underscored Barnes’s earlier point when he spoke about the “struggle” of Chicago teachers and the need for additional support from other revolutionary movements. Through a renewed focus on the “strike weapon,” Socialist organizers remarked that they felt their movement had rediscovered its vigor—and the path forward ought to include “mass strikes,” they said.

    Eric Ruder of the ISO spoke about the Socialists’ partnership with the Chicago Teachers Union during “The Meaning of Marxism” breakout session:

    There are big moments in the sort of chain of historical development that we have to be able to intervene… And in order to that, you need an organization. That’s really the sort of thing you saw in the Chicago teachers strike. In a situation where there was a huge struggle, our organization threw itself in the middle of that and had a demonstrable impact on it. http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/7488


  41. Storagemanager
    41 | November 15, 2012 9:41 am

    Yes he will lie…America has lost its leaders..

    Former CIA Director David Petraeus, in conversations with HLN’s Kyra Phillips, insists his resignation had nothing to do with his scheduled testimony about the September attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi, Libya http://www.cnn.com/


  42. Storagemanager
    42 | November 15, 2012 9:43 am

    Qatari Prime Minister warns that Israel’s retaliatory strikes on terrorists in the Gaza Strip must not go unpunished. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/254899


  43. heysoos
    43 | November 15, 2012 9:43 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Yes he will lie…America has lost its leaders..
    Former CIA Director David Petraeus, in conversations with HLN’s Kyra Phillips, insists his resignation had nothing to do with his scheduled testimony about the September attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi, Libya http://www.cnn.com/

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Yes he will lie…America has lost its leaders..
    Former CIA Director David Petraeus, in conversations with HLN’s Kyra Phillips, insists his resignation had nothing to do with his scheduled testimony about the September attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi, Libya http://www.cnn.com/

    wait and see, he may surprise you


  44. 44 | November 15, 2012 9:44 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    All I can conclude from this is that these people don’t take their religion seriously. I know that to be the case with Jews (many, perhaps most even, who are secular), but I am surprised by the Catholic vote.

    Don’t be surprised, “fallen away Catholics” likely outnumber those still practicing -- I guess you could actually call them secular Catholics. Even among the fallen away, old habits die hard and one of those old habits is voting Democrat. I remember the old-time Catholic churches used to host the meeting of the local “Democratic Club” in the school cafeteria.

    Republicans have actually done better in national elections than one would assume, considering the generations-long grass roots organizing by the Democrats.


  45. 45 | November 15, 2012 9:48 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    This Saturday, the Midwest Marxist Conference was held at Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism. The event was teeming with teachers who spoke about the new found bond between the radical socialists and their Teachers Union. The all-day event, which collected money to support Chicago Socialists and featured a communist bookstore, provided students on-campus along with the radical left community to plan the next phase in their activism.

    Good gawd, it reads like clever parody, doesn’t it?


  46. Speranza
    46 | November 15, 2012 9:52 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Don’t be surprised, “fallen away Catholics” likely outnumber those still practicing — I guess you could actually call them secular Catholics.

    I agree -- see Biden, Joseph R.


  47. Speranza
    47 | November 15, 2012 9:53 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Qatari Prime Minister warns that Israel’s retaliatory strikes on terrorists in the Gaza Strip must not go unpunished. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/254899

    And what is he going to do about it?


  48. Storagemanager
    48 | November 15, 2012 9:54 am

    Video: Jihadists Firing from Residential Zones, Proud of It

    Al-Quds Brigade in Gaza widely and deliberately implements “human shield” tactics, creating terrorist safe haven.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/


  49. 49 | November 15, 2012 9:56 am

    Speranza wrote:

    I agree — see Biden, Joseph R.

    Or Pelosi, Nancy or Kennedy, [Insert First Name Here]


  50. heysoos
    50 | November 15, 2012 9:57 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:
    Qatari Prime Minister warns that Israel’s retaliatory strikes on terrorists in the Gaza Strip must not go unpunished. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/254899

    And what is he going to do about it?

    just another small reminder that a shitstorm is coming down on the ME one day…Islam is not rational, hence they will never understand any state that defends themselves


  51. Storagemanager
    51 | November 15, 2012 10:06 am

    HOUSE COMMITTEE HOLDS HEARING ON BENGHAZI http://www.foxnews.com/


  52. RIX
    52 | November 15, 2012 10:09 am

    Good morning.
    Interesting , if depressing stat in Todays Chicago Tribune.
    The Dems in the last six elections have one 18 states
    & DC to give them 242 elcecotral votes.
    This was an article by Steve Chapman & if it
    is true , that means that Republicans really have to thread
    the needle.


  53. MikeA
    53 | November 15, 2012 10:12 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Qatari Prime Minister warns that Israel’s retaliatory strikes on terrorists in the Gaza Strip must not go unpunished. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/254899

    Qatar is now becoming a big hotbed of Wahhabism. They are buying tons of stuff in Europe, etc… Militarily he can do nothing but they are always pushing. just like those socialist idiots from the Chicago teachers union. Always trying.


  54. 54 | November 15, 2012 10:13 am

    @ Speranza:

    The real question is what is Obama going to do about it. It is no secret that Obama dislikes Israel, and supports the terrorists, I mean the Palestinians. What he’ll do about it is another question. But support for Israel is mostly a white, Evangelical thing in America and the Democrats have made it plain that they don’t want any of those votes. Throwing Israel under the bus won’t have any significant electoral consequences for the Democrats, and that is the only thing that has been holding Obama back from a more actively anti-Israel agenda. The fact that he wants Susan Rice for Sec State is enough evidence of this.


  55. MikeA
    55 | November 15, 2012 10:17 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Don’t worry, the jewish vote in the US will stop him….

    ( I really have to stop taking heroin so early in the morning… )


  56. Speranza
    56 | November 15, 2012 10:21 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The real question is what is Obama going to do about it. It is no secret that Obama dislikes Israel, and supports the terrorists, I mean the Palestinians. What he’ll do about it is another question. But support for Israel is mostly a white, Evangelical thing in America and the Democrats have made it plain that they don’t want any of those votes. Throwing Israel under the bus won’t have any significant electoral consequences for the Democrats, and that is the only thing that has been holding Obama back from a more actively anti-Israel agenda. The fact that he wants Susan Rice for Sec State is enough evidence of this.

    The American people support Israel and we are not yet impotent. When Obama started acting like a dick in 2009 -10 even Chuck Schumer called him out on it. The problem is as he told Medvedev “This is my last election and afterwards I have more flexibility”.


  57. 57 | November 15, 2012 10:23 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Has to do with being Democrats -- they take being a Democrat far more seriously than they do Catholic. I finally had enough of my “friend” who would have voted for Hitler if he was a Dem -- I emailed her that frankly, I’d appreciate it if she dropped me from her Xmas card and email lists. She called me a sore loser, to which I replied “not sore. Disgusted. Making sure the Democrat kept his office was more important to you than lies, smears, bankrupting the country and a singular attack on the religion you supposedly follow. It makes me sick to think the way you all attacked George Bush for Iraq, for Katrina and for the debt and you give this smarmy loser a pass.”


  58. Speranza
    58 | November 15, 2012 10:25 am

    The fact that he wants Susan Rice for Sec State is enough evidence of this.

    It was going to be either Susan Rice or Samantha Power -- pick your poison.


  59. 59 | November 15, 2012 10:26 am

    @ Speranza:

    What they are doing in Syria. Fund the Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda and now Hamas.


  60. Speranza
    60 | November 15, 2012 10:27 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Has to do with being Democrats — they take being a Democrat far more seriously than they do Catholic. I finally had enough of my “friend” who would have voted for Hitler if he was a Dem — I emailed her that frankly, I’d appreciate it if she dropped me from her Xmas card and email lists. She called me a sore loser, to which I replied “not sore. Disgusted. Making sure the Democrat kept his office was more important to you than lies, smears, bankrupting the country and a singular attack on the religion you supposedly follow. It makes me sick to think the way you all attacked George Bush for Iraq, for Katrina and for the debt and you give this smarmy loser a pass.”

    Good for you. Actually they are sore winners.


  61. Speranza
    61 | November 15, 2012 10:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    What they are doing in Syria. Fund the Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda and now Hamas.

    Qatar would get squashed like a cockroach if they messed with Israel.


  62. 62 | November 15, 2012 10:28 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    As I said yesterday, militarily Egypt can do nothing. If she tries to fight Israel, the Israelis will destroy them in detail. However, that doesn’t mean the Egyptians won’t try to do something. The Egyptians are Islamists, and Islamists are bugfuck insane.

    Yup, what Egypt will do now is allow Al-Qaeda fighters to go to Gaza to support their Hamas brothers. This is what Turkey has done in Syria. The Egyptians will not try anything against Israel until the MB takes over Syria, Jordan and Lebanon.


  63. 63 | November 15, 2012 10:29 am

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning.
    Interesting , if depressing stat in Todays Chicago Tribune.
    The Dems in the last six elections have one 18 states
    & DC to give them 242 elcecotral votes.
    This was an article by Steve Chapman & if it
    is true , that means that Republicans really have to thread
    the needle.

    Good morning, RIX.

    Romney won those with household incomes of $50K-$100K by 6 pts, and those with $50K and over by 8 pts. I’d be willing to bet that Obama’s electoral strength was in inverse proportion to income (excepting, of course the LimoLiberals, who aren’t that many in number), with that 48 percent who pay no income tax, and the EITC crowd, being his largest voting bloc.

    As to your point, the Democrats have been successful in a strategy of largely picking off the big urban areas in the blue states and forsaking all else. Back in the day, the Republicans had “the Southern Strategy”, now the Democrats have “the Urban Strategy” -- with “urban” meaning just what you’d think it means.


  64. RIX
    64 | November 15, 2012 10:29 am

    Hillary has agreed to testify next month in “open” session
    about Benghazi.
    A Clinton would not lie under oath, right?/


  65. 65 | November 15, 2012 10:30 am

    @ Speranza:

    They are not the ones fighting. They are the pay masters. The Jihadis don’t care about dying. This is not the Arab Nationalists, these guys love to die. See Syria as an example.


  66. Storagemanager
    66 | November 15, 2012 10:30 am

    The OIC has 57 Islamic states…they will act as one.


  67. Storagemanager
    67 | November 15, 2012 10:31 am

    Hamas Rocket Lands Only 9 Miles From Tel Aviv… http://weaselzippers.us/


  68. 68 | November 15, 2012 10:31 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama is Pro Muslim Brotherhood. Morsi will make Obama choose, Israel or the Caliphate.


  69. Speranza
    69 | November 15, 2012 10:31 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Exactly! The Democrats want to destroy the Middle Class, yet they ortray themselves as the protector of it! And the Republicans let them get away with it.

    The Republicans need to shed the Wall Street image (which is a joke anyway since Wall Street supports Democrats) and have a more Main Street image. In a sense the Republicans need to be what the Democrats were in the 1940′s, 50′s and early 60′s the Party of the Middle class/Working class.


  70. Speranza
    70 | November 15, 2012 10:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama is Pro Muslim Brotherhood. Morsi will make Obama choose, Israel or the Caliphate.

    Even Obama will not choose the latter.


  71. 71 | November 15, 2012 10:33 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    With the exception of Iran and Hizballahstan. They are fighting AQ and MB now. This is a 3 way conflict.


  72. Storagemanager
    72 | November 15, 2012 10:33 am

    OIC is where Obama made his gaffe

    Obama Claims He’s Visited 57 States http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws


  73. 73 | November 15, 2012 10:33 am

    @ Speranza:

    My next post addresses that.


  74. RIX
    74 | November 15, 2012 10:34 am

    @ MacDuff:

    As to your point, the Democrats have been successful in a strategy of largely picking off the big urban areas in the blue states and forsaking all else. Back in the day, the Republicans had “the Southern Strategy”, now the Democrats have “the Urban Strategy” — with “urban” meaning just what you’d think it means.

    Good morning Mac, you are spot on.
    Paul Ryan got slammed for racism for making that
    same obvious point.
    That is an example of why it is impossible to have
    an honest discussion about race.
    If everything is racist, then nothing is.


  75. Storagemanager
    75 | November 15, 2012 10:34 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama is Pro Muslim Brotherhood. Morsi will make Obama choose, Israel or the Caliphate.

    Even Obama will not choose the latter.

    how do you know?…he was raised a Muslim.


  76. 76 | November 15, 2012 10:35 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    everything they said was true…Hamas did go to Iran..some of the weapons bombed last night were in fact from Iran….

    Hamas used to get weapons from Iran. That is not the case anymore. Hamas turned on Iran and is now in the Turkey/Qatari/Muslim Brotherhood block.


  77. Storagemanager
    77 | November 15, 2012 10:35 am

    @ Storagemanager:
    Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully …
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=0


  78. Storagemanager
    78 | November 15, 2012 10:36 am

    @ Rodan:
    JPOST said the weapons bombed came from Iran.


  79. 79 | November 15, 2012 10:38 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    They are old weapons, not the new ones Hamas has.


  80. 80 | November 15, 2012 10:38 am

    @ Speranza:

    She saw me in the BART station last night and walked by saying “I’m no longer speaking to you” to which I snotted “and yet you apparently needed to TELL me that.”


  81. 81 | November 15, 2012 10:38 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    He loved the sound.


  82. 82 | November 15, 2012 10:39 am

    @ RIX:

    Why not? I believe it’s a Clinton family tradition.
    Of course, she also has a history of “Umm….I don’t recall”


  83. Speranza
    83 | November 15, 2012 10:39 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama is Pro Muslim Brotherhood. Morsi will make Obama choose, Israel or the Caliphate.
    Even Obama will not choose the latter.

    how do you know?…he was raised a Muslim.

    Politics.


  84. Storagemanager
    84 | November 15, 2012 10:40 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    He loved the sound.

    That sound is EVIL to me.


  85. 85 | November 15, 2012 10:40 am

    Denny’s will now charge a 5% Obamacare surtax on food purchases at their restaurants. They are also cutting employees’ hours.


  86. Storagemanager
    86 | November 15, 2012 10:40 am

    Mashaal: Kill me too, our way to Jerusalem will be paved

    Hamas leader speaks from Sudan during funeral of assassinated military chief Ahmed Jabari. ‘The Israeli enemy is weak. Killing our leaders only makes us more powerful,’ he says
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4306127,00.html


  87. 87 | November 15, 2012 10:40 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    It sounds like the rantings of a mad man.


  88. Speranza
    88 | November 15, 2012 10:40 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    She saw me in the BART station last night and walked by saying “I’m no longer speaking to you” to which I snotted “and yet you apparently needed to TELL me that.”

    Ha! the very fact that she felt the need to tell you that she is no longer speaking to you tells me that she really wants to speak to you.


  89. Storagemanager
    89 | November 15, 2012 10:41 am

    @ Speranza:
    he has nothing left to run for….now he just rules…


  90. RIX
    90 | November 15, 2012 10:42 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Why not? I believe it’s a Clinton family tradition.
    Of course, she also has a history of “Umm….I don’t recall”

    She agreed to an open session, so she is feeling pretty confident.
    Clintons consider the truth just a strategy, when it is more
    useful than a lie.


  91. 91 | November 15, 2012 10:42 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I know how you feel. I didn’t have contact with oneof my primary martial arts instructors for the last three years of his life because he was an ardent Democrats and I didn’t want to deal with it. And that was before this election. Basically, the Democrat voters voted for economic collapse. They’d rather get free stuff for the next five or ten years, then fight it out in the ruins. They are going to get what they want. I just intend to get my family ready for the inevitible collapse. I used to look at that kind of thing a s a nice luxury, but Obama’s re-election pretty much guarantees economic collapse. Yeah, if we got the right President and Congress right now we could grow the economy out from under its debt burden, but four more years of trillion dollar plus deficits will put the economy in too precarious a position. We won’t be able to grow the economy because the interest alone on the debt (not to mention all the entitlements) will suck up too much money.


  92. Storagemanager
    92 | November 15, 2012 10:43 am

    here we go

    Spokesman Yoav Mordechai of the Israel Defense Forces said, Thursday evening, that divisions of Israeli soldiers were headed for the Gaza area and were preparing for an incursion. He said that the soldiers will not enter the Hamas-controlled area before a decision to do so is made by the political leadership.

    The brigadier general reminded the public to follow the instructions of the Homefront Command
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/254911


  93. 93 | November 15, 2012 10:44 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Romney won the White Catholic vote, but got slaughtered with Hispanic Catholics. This is because honestly, Romney did not try to go after the Hispanic vote. He allowed the Democrats to demonize him, plus Obama’s micro targeting.


  94. Storagemanager
    94 | November 15, 2012 10:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Romney won the White Catholic vote, but got slaughtered with Hispanic Catholics. This is because honestly, Romney did not try to go after the Hispanic vote. He allowed the Democrats to demonize him, plus Obama’s micro targeting.

    My SIL and her whole family voted Obama..they are white Catholics.


  95. 95 | November 15, 2012 10:48 am

    @ Speranza:

    We had a disagreement awhile ago and I simply stopped speaking to her. Didn’t feel the need to broadcast it.

    The funny thing is, she is one of the most bigoted people I’ve ever seen -- she is continually commenting about someone’s ethnicity when criticizing them. I asked her once in an email “what has your belief that the woman is black and Asian and Filipino got to do with the fact that she spoke too loudly on the bus?”


  96. RIX
    96 | November 15, 2012 10:48 am

    Trumpka has spoken, “The fiscal cliff is a manufactured crisis”
    Brilliant!/


  97. 97 | November 15, 2012 10:50 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    White Catholics went for Romney.


  98. Storagemanager
    98 | November 15, 2012 10:51 am

    Romney says president Bill Clinton called him after the election and said he might have won if not for Hurricane Sandy. Romney: “I spoke with president Clinton the day before yesterday, he called and spent thirty minutes chatting with me. He said a week out I thought you were going to win. And he said, but the hurricane happened, and it gave the president a chance to be presidential, and to look bipartisan, and you know he got a little more momentum, and of course he also said that when he was watching Ann speak at the Republican convention, he decided he was tempted to join the Republican Party. So he may have just been effusive with generous comments as he chatted.” http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/republicans-return-romneys-parting-gift-the-note/


  99. 99 | November 15, 2012 10:51 am

    @ Rodan:

    I am not sure that the Hispanic vote is winnable, frankly, no matter how they target it. Obama is the most anti-Catholic President in the history of th eUnited States. I mean ever. We’ve never had a President try to interfere with Church matters the way Obama has. Yet these Catholics voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Sorry, but that is even worse than the Jewish vote. These people would vote for Adolf Eichmann if he ran on the Democrat ticket. How do you win that over?


  100. 100 | November 15, 2012 10:51 am

    RIX wrote:

    That is an example of why it is impossible to have
    an honest discussion about race.
    If everything is racist, then nothing is.

    There’s no such thing as an “honest discussion about race”. In retrospect, what we should have done during the Civil Rights Era was just that… ..protect civil rights, and prohibit discrimination. Legal machinations like “affirmative action” and other attempts to codify interpersonal behavior has poisoned the atmosphere. I hate to say it, but there’s a lot of blacks who have a chip on their shoulder that they pass down to their children; their status as an “oppressed minority” literally defines them.


  101. 101 | November 15, 2012 10:52 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    What was their reason?


  102. 102 | November 15, 2012 10:54 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    And he said, but the hurricane happened, and it gave the president a chance to be presidential, and to look bipartisan

    That is the damage Chris Christie did to the Republican ticket. That man should be persona non grata from the Republican Party from here on out. If he wants to run for President, let him try it as a Democrat.


  103. 103 | November 15, 2012 10:54 am

    And back I go for day two of the mediation. Don’t get to take my laptop today, unfortunately. See you all at lunch….sigh.


  104. Storagemanager
    104 | November 15, 2012 10:55 am

    Rodan wrote:

    One niece is gay….and the family liked Obamacare….and Mitt Romney killed a guys wife…yes…they bought it…


  105. Speranza
    105 | November 15, 2012 10:56 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    That is the damage Chris Christie did to the Republican ticket. That man should be persona non grata from the Republican Party from here on out. If he wants to run for President, let him try it as a Democrat.

    He has no national appeal.


  106. Speranza
    106 | November 15, 2012 10:57 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    We had a disagreement awhile ago and I simply stopped speaking to her. Didn’t feel the need to broadcast it.
    The funny thing is, she is one of the most bigoted people I’ve ever seen — she is continually commenting about someone’s ethnicity when criticizing them. I asked her once in an email “what has your belief that the woman is black and Asian and Filipino got to do with the fact that she spoke too loudly on the bus?”

    She sounds like a real liberal -- loves humanity and hates people.


  107. RIX
    107 | November 15, 2012 10:59 am

    @ MacDuff:

    There’s no such thing as an “honest discussion about race”. In retrospect, what we should have done during the Civil Rights Era was just that… ..protect civil rights, and prohibit discrimination. Legal machinations like “affirmative action” and other attempts to codify interpersonal behavior has poisoned the atmosphere. I hate to say it, but there’s a lot of blacks who have a chip on their shoulder that they pass down to their children; their status as an “oppressed minority” literally defines them.

    Affirmative Action, Social Promotions & Minority
    Set Asides have just made things worse.
    We have thrown Billions of dollars at it for about
    50 years and what has gotten better?
    Hell you could almost say that Obama is a minority
    set aside President.


  108. Storagemanager
    108 | November 15, 2012 11:00 am

    REPORT: Jackson Jr. won’t resign until he gets disability pay… http://www.drudgereport.com/


  109. 109 | November 15, 2012 11:01 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    One thing we better have learned from this is that dirty campaigning works. Frankly, we should be worrying about Harry Reid’s pederasty rather than Romney’s tax records (Google Harry Reid Peerast, and you’ll see what I mean). We need to get down in the mud and cut their guts out. The High Road is for losers.


  110. Storagemanager
    110 | November 15, 2012 11:02 am

    Obama lied yesterday

    A computer used by Paula Broadwell, the woman whose affair with CIA Director David Petraeus led to his resignation, contained substantial classified information that should have been stored under more secure conditions, law enforcement and national security officials said on Wednesday.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/15/us-usa-generals-idUSBRE8AD0GT20121115


  111. 111 | November 15, 2012 11:02 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Bush got 44%, so that argument is not true. The South used to be Democrat until Nixon did Southern Strategy. It took 2 decades, but by the 90′s the South was Republican. The GOP never gave up on the South and it paid off. Heck White Catholics were Democrat, now they lean GOP. So the whole Hispanic vote is not winnable is not true.

    The key is not to win the Hispanic vote, just get 40% and the Dems are toast. The only way to do this is to create infrastructure. This article explains it.

    As for the anti-Catholic thing, the media never played that angle nor did the GOP do a good job on this. Plus if you are bombarded with ads saying Republicans hate you, you will not vote for them.

    Read the article and explains what needs to be done.


  112. 112 | November 15, 2012 11:03 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    One niece is gay….and the family liked Obamacare….and Mitt Romney killed a guys wife…yes…they bought it…

    Micro-Targeting!

    It works!


  113. RIX
    113 | November 15, 2012 11:03 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The Catholic Cardinals, Bishops & Priests stood up to Obama
    & tried to rally the troops.
    All they got was a split & Obama will now punish them.
    Any of my fellow Catholics who voted for Obama have no
    right ton scream “foul.”
    The battle lines were drawn & they went to the other side.


  114. 114 | November 15, 2012 11:04 am

    New Thread.


  115. Storagemanager
    115 | November 15, 2012 11:04 am

    Netanyahu: Picture of Bleeding Baby Says It All http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162129


  116. 116 | November 15, 2012 11:05 am

    RIX wrote:

    We have thrown Billions of dollars at it for about
    50 years and what has gotten better?

    You can say that about the whole so-caled War on Poverty. Just as many people today live in poverty as they did when Johnson announced this. That is by design. Only a fool could look at how the so-called War On Poverty was conducted and expect any different result. The whole intendt of Welfare is to engender a dependent class that will vote for the Party of Government because that is where their checks come from. All it has been is a large, tax-payer funded vote-buying experiment, and it worked. They’ve created a large dependent under-class of permanent welfare recipients who vote Democrat. hat was the real key to Obama’s re-election.


  117. RIX
    117 | November 15, 2012 11:16 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    A dependent population produces loyal Democrats.
    if you can buy them with someone else’s money, why not?


  118. 118 | November 15, 2012 11:20 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The biggest problem is the definition of poverty. It’s usually x% of the population live below $x,000 dollars per year. Those numbers are just easy goal posts to move. Poverty will always exist no matter how you change it.


  119. 119 | November 15, 2012 1:28 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    A dependent population produces loyal Democrats.
    if you can buy them with someone else’s money, why not?

    My parents were old-school Democrats; my father used to tell me “Democrats are the party of the working man“. Now they’re the party of the non-working man.


  120. RIX
    120 | November 15, 2012 1:34 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    My parents were old-school Democrats; my father used to tell me “Democrats are the party of the working man“. Now they’re the party of the non-working man.

    I was raised the same way, FDR was considered a saint.
    Then my mother let slip that she always voted Republican.


  121. Moe Katz
    121 | November 15, 2012 7:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Bomb it into rubble, then line up the bulldozers (Catapillar!) and push the rubble into the Mediterrannean. Problem solved.

    You want to pollute the sea?


  122. 122 | November 15, 2012 10:46 pm

    I thought Arafat died from food poisoning. Something about a dirty weenie….
    Or did some one already mention that?


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