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Most presidents who earned re-election became consumed by war, scandal or strife with Capitol Hill

by Speranza ( 160 Comments › )
Filed under History at November 15th, 2012 - 2:30 pm

Scary to contemplate how bad a second Obama term will be. The key point of this article is that despite a horrible second term, FDR was able to hold onto his coalition  and be elected to a third and fourth term.

by John Steele Gordon

Barack Obama brings to 16 the number of presidents elected to a second term. The total is 18 if you include Theodore Roosevelt and Harry Truman, who were elected only once but had served nearly four years of a predecessor’s term. Mr. Obama would be well advised to consider the history of these second terms. Its message is to beware of interpreting re-election as an invitation to overreach.

The considerable majority of second terms were far less successful than the first. Some were disastrous. Only James Monroe, Andrew Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt got through it with their reputations intact or enhanced. Roosevelt won the Nobel Peace Prize in his second term for negotiating the end of the Russo-Japanese War in 1905.

Even George Washington, almost an American saint in his lifetime, was savagely criticized in his second term. He caused outrage by signing the Jay Treaty, which was ratified in 1796. This trade agreement with Britain enraged Jeffersonians, who favored France in European squabbles and thought the treaty bolstered the rival Federalists.

Abraham Lincoln and William McKinley were assassinated only six weeks and six months into their second terms. The only other presidential second term to end prematurely was Richard Nixon’s.

But consider this when thinking of Nixon’s Watergate disgrace: Harry Truman, after firing the insubordinate but revered Gen. Douglas MacArthur and failing to win the stalemated Korean War, was so unpopular by the last year of his presidency that his approval rating sank as low as 22%, lower than Nixon’s when he resigned (24%).

Ronald Reagan became ensnared in the Iran-Contra scandal in his second term and Bill Clinton was impeached (but not convicted) for perjury and obstruction of justice in the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Ulysses Grant’s second term was mired in even worse scandals than those that plagued his first. Grant himself was honest, but he was notably loyal to his friends, who often were not.

Grant’s personal secretary, Orville Babcock, was deeply corrupt and involved in the so-called whiskey ring, where a group of federal officials connived with distilleries to siphon millions of dollars in federal liquor taxes. Babcock was tried for his part in the scandal and Grant gave a deposition at the trial, the only time a sitting president has done so in a criminal proceeding. Given that a deep recession had started only six months after Grant’s second inauguration (an economic decline that would last six years), it isn’t surprising that Grant became so unpopular.

Thomas Jefferson’s first term, marked by the Louisiana Purchase, had been a great success and he was easily re-elected. But in his second term he initiated one of the most bizarre policies in American (or, indeed, world) history and paid a terrible political price.

Both Britain and France had been harassing American merchant ships, seizing them and, in the case of Britain, impressing sailors into the Royal Navy. Hoping to force Britain and France to honor American rights, Jefferson pushed the Embargo Act through Congress in 1807. It forbade trade with the European powers and the U.S. Navy was deployed to, in effect, blockade American ports.

The act was very unpopular in all of the country’s port cities. But it was especially so in New England, where shipping and shipbuilding were the largest industries. Talk of secession rose as New England’s economy fell into a deep depression.  [.........]

Franklin Roosevelt also politically overstepped in his second term. Triumphantly re-elected in 1936 but frustrated that much of his economic policy had been stymied by the Supreme Court, FDR proposed to “pack” the court by appointing an extra justice for every justice on the bench who was over age 70½. Roosevelt pushed hard for the bill, even giving one of his fireside chats about it in March 1937. But the bill was seen as tampering with the fundamental constitutional balance among the three branches of government.

Without public support, Roosevelt could not push the bill through Congress, even though both houses had huge Democratic majorities. When the recovery stalled later that year and the economy began to sink back into depression, Roosevelt’s popularity nose-dived. Still, his coalition secured his third and fourth terms, and success in wartime revived his reputation.

Perhaps the saddest second term was Woodrow Wilson’s. The income tax, the Federal Reserve and the Clayton Antitrust Act were passed in his first administration. Narrowly re-elected in 1916 on the slogan “He kept us out of war,” Wilson asked for a declaration of war only a month into his second term. When the war was won, Wilson sailed for Europe in December 1918 to personally negotiate the peace treaty. He was away for almost seven months (with one brief return), by far the longest time a sitting president has been out of the country.

[..........]

Instead he went on a countrywide speaking tour to build public support for the treaty and get the necessary two-thirds vote in the Senate. The effort proved too much for him and he collapsed in September 1919, while in Pueblo, Colo. A week later a serious stroke left him partially paralyzed and blind in one eye.

His wife, Ellen, essentially became the acting president, shielding him from his cabinet and even the vice president, deciding what he would deal with and what would be left to others. Wilson recovered enough to be able to walk with a cane, but his old vigor was gone. He was a wrecked man.

Second terms are hazardous affairs at best. But no modern president is likely to suffer the humiliation that James Madison experienced in 1814 during his second term. That was when the British invaded the country and burned the nation’s capital.

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  1. 1 | November 15, 2012 7:20 am

    Thank God Obama won’t be able to run for a Third Term, but will he pass his Presidency off to Joe the Biden? That isn’t a trivial question, because Biden is even more incompetant than Obama. The American people seem to have accepted that a Less is More approach to the economy is acceptable, so saying that the economy will be in the shitter in 2016 is no guarantee that Biden won;’t be elected President. We are in the twilight of America, and nothing is impossible except getting out from under our debt.


  2. Speranza
    2 | November 15, 2012 7:22 am

    Obama’s second term is starting just great -- Petraeus, “fiscal cliff”, Middle East, Wall Street -- yeah really great.


  3. Speranza
    3 | November 15, 2012 7:22 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Thank God Obama won’t be able to run for a Third Term, but will he pass his Presidency off to Joe the Biden?

    I wold not be surprised if the talk about repealing the 22nd amendment.


  4. 4 | November 15, 2012 7:33 am

    Obama’s presser yesterday indicated he’s going to be the same, arrogant, combative prick in his second term that he was in his first, only more so.


  5. 5 | November 15, 2012 7:39 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Thank God Obama won’t be able to run for a Third Term, but will he pass his Presidency off to Joe the Biden? That isn’t a trivial question, because Biden is even more incompetant than Obama. The American people seem to have accepted that a Less is More approach to the economy is acceptable, so saying that the economy will be in the shitter in 2016 is no guarantee that Biden won;’t be elected President. We are in the twilight of America, and nothing is impossible except getting out from under our debt.

    “Nothing is impossibe” used to be an expression of optimism, now it’s quite the opposite. Change!


  6. MikeA
    6 | November 15, 2012 7:41 am

    @ Speranza:

    Speaking of Wall Street…

    The blue-chip measure has fallen in five of the six trading sessions since Election Day, shedding 5.1% in that time frame. On Wednesday, the Nasdaq Composite fell 37.08 points, or 1.3%, to 2846.81, its lowest closing level since June 25. As recently as mid-September, the Nasdaq was up 22% on the year and trading at 12-year highs. Since hitting a 52-week high on Sept. 14, it has tumbled 11%, including a 5.5% slide since the election on Nov. 6.

    Oops…


  7. 7 | November 15, 2012 7:42 am

    @ Speranza:

    You can’t get a Constitutional Amendment through our divided Congress, let alone get the requisit number of States to sign onto it. I am not worried about that in the least. Oh, no doubt Obama would like to do it, and the Democrats would go along in a heartbeat, but th eGOP controls something like 33 of the State Houses in America today. A Constitutional Amendment isn’t happening.


  8. 8 | November 15, 2012 7:46 am

    @ MikeA:

    Teh Ebil Rich are pulling their money out of the stock market in preparation ofor Capital Gains tax to go up next year. I would be too, if I had any money in the market. Likewise, the market is just getting ready for the next round of recession that is coming courtesy of those tax increases. Obama will have his tax increases, though. He is holding the entire economy hostage to them. Republicans need to be playing offense against this evil motherfucker, but I am convinced that the Republican Mandarins are quite content to b the Loyal Opposition as long as they get invited to the right parties in Washington. That is part of our problem.


  9. MikeA
    9 | November 15, 2012 7:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Me thinks your solution of hemp rope might be needed… ;)


  10. 10 | November 15, 2012 8:02 am

    @ MikeA:

    That’s Dorian’s solution, though I agree it is generally a good Idea. Thomas Jefferson said:

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

    Time for some tyrant’s blood, because the tree of liberty has grown weak and sickly in America. Sadly, I don’t think that will come about until the current crop of tyrants have crashed the American economy and plunged us into a new Dark Age.


  11. Speranza
    11 | November 15, 2012 8:31 am

    Obama still takes the attitude “I won”.


  12. 12 | November 15, 2012 8:37 am

    @ Speranza:

    SNAFU


  13. Speranza
    13 | November 15, 2012 8:42 am

    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.


  14. Storagemanager
    14 | November 15, 2012 2:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.

    Nazi Germany?


  15. heysoos
    15 | November 15, 2012 2:56 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.

    Speranza wrote:

    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.

    bulked up a tad with Kevlar I imagine


  16. Speranza
    16 | November 15, 2012 2:57 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.

    Nazi Germany?

    That’s a bit of a stretch -- Poland 1968 is more like it.


  17. Storagemanager
    17 | November 15, 2012 2:57 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.

    Rome after the death of Julius Caesar


  18. Storagemanager
    18 | November 15, 2012 2:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.

    Mecca?


  19. Speranza
    19 | November 15, 2012 2:58 pm

    You now what? Most people really did not give a crap about Iran-Contra. When Reagan left in January 1989 his popularity was sky high.


  20. Speranza
    20 | November 15, 2012 2:58 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.

    Mecca?

    Don’t be silly -- like the Social Democracies in Europe.


  21. lobo91
    21 | November 15, 2012 2:59 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.

    Nazi Germany?

    That’s a bit of a stretch — Poland 1968 is more like it.

    Tell that to the stockholders of businesses who fell out of favor with the regime.


  22. Speranza
    22 | November 15, 2012 3:00 pm

    Rep. Tim Scott (S.C. and a black man by the way) says that the GOP should not fall on its sword protecting the wealthy (most of whom voted for Obama anyway). I agree with him.


  23. Speranza
    23 | November 15, 2012 3:00 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Be careful with comparisons to Nazi Germany.


  24. livefreeor die
    24 | November 15, 2012 3:02 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Be careful with comparisons to Nazi Germany.

    You’ll activate the Moonbat signal.


  25. Storagemanager
    25 | November 15, 2012 3:02 pm

    Obamas second term will be the weimar republic


  26. livefreeor die
    26 | November 15, 2012 3:03 pm

    If Susan Rice can’t defend herself against criticism of her talking points, how the heck can she represent the United States’ interests in talks with other countries?


  27. 27 | November 15, 2012 3:05 pm

    He’s not sworn in yet and it’s already a disaster.


  28. livefreeor die
    28 | November 15, 2012 3:07 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Quote of the day. Unfortunately for the country.


  29. 29 | November 15, 2012 3:07 pm

    @ Speranza:

    He’s right.


  30. 30 | November 15, 2012 3:07 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Quote of the day. Unfortunately for the country.

    Elections have consequences.


  31. lobo91
    31 | November 15, 2012 3:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Be careful with comparisons to Nazi Germany.

    I’m not the one who made it.

    I just pointed out that it’s not entirely incorrect. We’re definitely headed toward a NAZI/fascist economic model under this administration.


  32. livefreeor die
    32 | November 15, 2012 3:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    livefreeor die wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Quote of the day. Unfortunately for the country.

    Elections have consequences.

    Even for those of us who knew better!


  33. taxfreekiller
    33 | November 15, 2012 3:09 pm

    Had not heard, Obama is going to serve a second term, what did he get convicted of this time?


  34. Storagemanager
    34 | November 15, 2012 3:09 pm

    How much will Barack Obama pay to keep details of Janet Napolitano’s discrimination against straight male agents at the Department of Homeland Security a secret? $175,000. How much will Obama pay to keep details of Napolitano’s hand-picked Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) ex-Chief of Staff Suzanne Barr’s sexual harassment of dozens of male agents a secret? $175,000. DebbieSchlussel.com has learned that today the US government agreed to settle the lawsuit filed by James T. Hayes, the Department of Homeland Security’s top New York cop, for $175,000. A court filing, posted below, just made announces the amount.

    Click on the image to see the whole thing
    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/


  35. lobo91
    35 | November 15, 2012 3:10 pm

    @ livefreeor die:

    Even for those of us who knew better!

    Even? I’d say especially for those of us who knew better.

    We’re the ones getting screwed, after all.


  36. 36 | November 15, 2012 3:10 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I just pointed out that it’s not entirely incorrect. We’re definitely headed toward a NAZI/fascist economic model under this administration.

    Absolutely Obama is using Fascist/Nazi/3rd Way/State Capitalism/3rd World Economics.


  37. 37 | November 15, 2012 3:10 pm

    The Democrats still won’t comitt to doing a budget:

    Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) confirmed Thursday that she will seek the chairmanship of the Senate Budget Committee next year but told The Hill that she cannot commit to doing a budget.

    This opens up the possibility that Senate Democrats will avoiding passing a budget resolution for the fourth year in a row.

    The last time the Senate passed a standalone budget resolution was in 2009.

    That alone should have cost the Democrats the Senate, but the Republicans inexplicably didn’t run against that. I am convinced that the top brass in the Republican Party are completely satisfied to be the Opposition Party a long as they don’t have to be too strenuous about their opposition and are still invitedto all the right parties in Washington.


  38. taxfreekiller
    38 | November 15, 2012 3:10 pm

    ps

    What would a stand alone B. Obama look like any how?


  39. 39 | November 15, 2012 3:10 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Had not heard, Obama is going to serve a second term, what did he get convicted of this time?

    :lol:


  40. livefreeor die
    40 | November 15, 2012 3:10 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Had not heard, Obama is going to serve a second term, what did he get convicted of this time?

    Impersonating a head of state.


  41. taxfreekiller
    41 | November 15, 2012 3:13 pm

    Hon, Susan is just some one I work with…..

    You heard I did what?????

    Just because I defend a co-worker does not mean I’m like that dam Gen. ….

    What e-mail from what computer?????

    Hon,,,,???? where you going….


  42. 42 | November 15, 2012 3:13 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    That’s the more accurate comparison. We’re going to have more debt to GDP than the Weimar Republic by the end of it, though. And we all remember how wonderfully that worked out…


  43. livefreeor die
    43 | November 15, 2012 3:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ livefreeor die:

    Even for those of us who knew better!

    Even? I’d say especially for those of us who knew better.

    We’re the ones getting screwed, after all.

    Alot of people we know who voted for 0 will be in real financial trouble from his policies before we are. Don’t get me wrong, he’ll screw us all he can but alot of the sheeple are going to suffer from another helping of 0.


  44. taxfreekiller
    44 | November 15, 2012 3:15 pm

    Come back, Come back,,,,, Hon,,,,,,,,!!!!

    “Vallllllllllll”"”" you said it would not matter to her…………….”


  45. livefreeor die
    45 | November 15, 2012 3:16 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:
    As if…
    Now, if Susan Rice had a good looking husband…


  46. taxfreekiller
    46 | November 15, 2012 3:16 pm

    But,,, but,,,, I can’t cook…….Hon!!!!!!!!!!!!


  47. lobo91
    47 | November 15, 2012 3:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Look at what happened with the Delphi pensions. Union retirees had their pensions protected. Non-union retirees lost theirs.

    Substitute “party members” for “union members” and what does that sound like?


  48. Storagemanager
    48 | November 15, 2012 3:17 pm

    When a friend of mine said that he thought the financially troubled Khawam sisters, Kelley and Natalie Khawam, were spies for Lebanon and the Arab world, I originally expressed skepticism. I believed that these twin sisters with obvious twin nose jobs were merely bimbo gold diggers in slutty outfits, who used their Delilah ways to first nab rich husbands, and then nab idiotic top American generals to participate in Lifetime-Channel-worthy bitter child custody disputes. But then I learned that Ms. Kelley, who was until this week under the radar, was quietly involved in pushing the agenda of Muslim Arab nations on our nation’s top generals with whom she’d grown close by design. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Ms. Kelley got her hooks into our two top generals in the Middle East, David Petraeus and John Allen. I’m now convinced that my friend, lawyer Gary Welsh of Advance Indiana, who has excellent instincts, was correct.

    I’ve long written about the infiltration of Central Command at MacDill Air Base in Tampa by Islamic terrorists. Islamic Jihad founder and convicted Islamic terrorist, Sami Al-Arian, was an instructor on the Middle East to our top generals at MacDill Air Force Base AT THE VERY SAME TIME that he was planning mergers and terrorist attacks in Israel with “the brothers of HAMAS” and while he was bringing Muslim illegal alien Islamic terrorists to the U.S. Al-Arian’s friend and co-conspirator, Ramadan Abdullah Shallah (one of those Al-Arian brought here), who became the Secretary-General of the worldwide Islamic Jihad terrorist group, was also a lecturer at MacDill and also taught our top generals his poisonous views on the Middle East and Israel. FBI and INS agents who investigated Shallah and Al-Arian were alarmed at the influence these two top Islamic terrorists had over CentCom. They were also alarmed to find many books on the inner workings of MacDill in Shallah’s house when they raided it.

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/56333/jill-kelley-helped-muslim-nations-hezbollahs-lebanon-infiltrate-central-command-macdill-base-go-to-girl-for-muslim-parties-w-generals/#more-56333


  49. taxfreekiller
    49 | November 15, 2012 3:18 pm

    Obama thinks his sheeple will be his battering ram to ram the final commie crap through.

    He has no clue about the ones who did not vote..

    They are not on his side by any strech.

    They have other means to get their point across and will use them.


  50. bluliner10
    50 | November 15, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Funny I said that the morning after. They begin by dictating the health system, then they nationalize the unions (card check?), the military leadership is already jumping at their own shadows. Patraeus, Allen (next?). The Benghazi affair needs to produce fruit and quickly.


  51. livefreeor die
    51 | November 15, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:
    Amen.


  52. 52 | November 15, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ lobo91:

    1920′s Italy, 1930′s Germany, 1950′s Cuba, 2000′s Venezuela.


  53. lobo91
    53 | November 15, 2012 3:20 pm

    Please…not Debbie Schlussel now…


  54. bluliner10
    54 | November 15, 2012 3:20 pm

    Petraeus.


  55. 55 | November 15, 2012 3:21 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    I don’t think anything will come out of Benghazi. The press is an arm of the regime. We are not a free nation anymore.


  56. bluliner10
    56 | November 15, 2012 3:21 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Media is controlled
    Education is controlled
    Health is controlled
    Employment to be controlled…

    Maybe AMTRAK will run on time


  57. lobo91
    57 | November 15, 2012 3:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ bluliner10:

    I don’t think anything will come out of Benghazi. The press is an arm of teh regime. We are not a free nation anymore.

    Actually, they’re both arms of the international socialist movement.


  58. bluliner10
    58 | November 15, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Yeah, I am following you…


  59. Speranza
    59 | November 15, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ Storagemanager:
    Debbie Schlussel is a whack job.


  60. lobo91
    60 | November 15, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    Maybe AMTRAK will run on time

    Obviously, it’s an imperfect analogy…


  61. Storagemanager
    61 | November 15, 2012 3:23 pm

    Israel moves troops toward Gaza; Barak wants 30,000 reservists

    At least a dozen trucks carrying tanks, armored vehicles were seen late Thursday moving toward border area, while buses ferried soldiers; Barak asks government to okay reserves call-up ahead of possible ground invasion. IDF reservist: Time to do what must be done
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4306350,00.html


  62. 62 | November 15, 2012 3:24 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Thank God Obama won’t be able to run for a Third Term,

    What would stop him? Did someone decide to start following the US Constitution again?


  63. lobo91
    63 | November 15, 2012 3:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Debbie Schlussel is a whack job.

    She’s like the anti-Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    Put the two of them together and the world will probably be destroyed.


  64. livefreeor die
    64 | November 15, 2012 3:24 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Israel moves troops toward Gaza; Barak wants 30,000 reservists
    At least a dozen trucks carrying tanks, armored vehicles were seen late Thursday moving toward border area, while buses ferried soldiers; Barak asks government to okay reserves call-up ahead of possible ground invasion. IDF reservist: Time to do what must be done
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4306350,00.html

    Bammy is going to be pissed-this will really screw up the golf he had planned for this weekend.


  65. 65 | November 15, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    Maybe AMTRAK will run on time

    At least Il Duce did that right!


  66. 66 | November 15, 2012 3:25 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Media is controlled
    Education is controlled
    Health is controlled
    Employment to be controlled…

    Maybe AMTRAK will run on time

    :D


  67. 67 | November 15, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Eactly. Benghazi is a dead end. Not because there isn’t a scandal there. It makes Watergate look like a minor burglary. But the MFM is totally incurious about what happened there. Fox News alone can’t carry the water for the Socialist-Media Complex.


  68. lobo91
    68 | November 15, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    What would stop him? Did someone decide to start following the US Constitution again?

    I’m pretty sure they sold it on eBay to help pay for Obama’s campaign.


  69. 69 | November 15, 2012 3:26 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Yeah, I am following you…

    It’s sad you joined the military when the Communists were an external enemy. Now they run our country. Who won the Cold war?


  70. livefreeor die
    70 | November 15, 2012 3:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:

    What would stop him? Did someone decide to start following the US Constitution again?

    I’m pretty sure they sold it on eBay to help pay for Obama’s campaign.

    Wait until you see what they’ll sell to cover the cost of Queen Michelle’s second round jubilee.


  71. 71 | November 15, 2012 3:27 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Eactly. Benghazi is a dead end. Not because there isn’t a scandal there. It makes Watergate look like a minor burglary. But the MFM is totally incurious about what happened there. Fox News alone can’t carry the water for the Socialist-Media Complex.

    I will do a post how the media is the 800 Pound Gorilla in the room. Yes the GOP needs to change some things, but until media bias is addressed, it will only help on the margins.


  72. 72 | November 15, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ lobo91:
    @ CzechRebel:

    Deval Patrick will be Obama’s anointed successor. Mark my words.


  73. lobo91
    73 | November 15, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ livefreeor die:

    Wait until you see what they’ll sell to cover the cost of Queen Michelle’s second round jubilee.

    Texas?


  74. Storagemanager
    74 | November 15, 2012 3:28 pm

    Wow…just WOW

    A House Foreign Affairs hearing on “Benghazi and Beyond” quickly turned into a shouting and accusations forum.

    It began when Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) said this: “What is clear is that this administration, including the president himself, has intentionally misinformed, read that LIED, to the American people in the aftermath of this tragedy. Now President Obama has the gall to float the name as possibly secretary of State, the name of the person who is the actual vehicle used to misinform the American people during this crisis.”

    Rep. Brad Sherman, a Democrat also from California, called the attacks on Rice “unfair” and leveled that Colin Powell testified that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, because that’s the information that was given to him.

    Rohrbacker shot back, going further, intimating that what the White House has done is worse than Watergate.

    “This is not simply a cover up of a third-rate burglary,” he alleged. “We have four of our personnel dead, and it is not a McCarthy-era tactic to demand accountability and to demand that American people are not misinformed about it to the point that they don’t know what the threat is.”

    Naturally Democrats responded. It began rather timidly and escalated.

    “Barack Obama was no more responsible for what happened in Benghazi than George Bush was for Sept. 11th or Ronald Reagan was for the blowing up of U.S. Marines in Beirut,” Rep. Eliot Engle (D-NY) said.

    Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY) unloaded, first sarcastically: “Let’s just hang the guilty parties.”

    “The stench of hypocrisy that hangs over this city today emanates from this room,” Ackerman said. ”I’ve listened to my colleagues talk about the President of the United States and others in the administration using [the] terms ‘deliberate’, ‘lies’, ‘unmitigated gall’, ‘malfeasance,’ which is malicious and knowing evil-doing, ‘disgust’, ‘coverups’.”

    He continued, “If you want to know who is responsible in this town, buy yourself a mirror!”

    Ackerman went on to say that Republicans had “the audacity to come here” when the administration requested, for worldwide security, “$440 million more than you guys wanted to provide. And the answer is that you damn didn’t provide it! You REDUCED what the administration asked for to protect these people. Ask not who the guilty party is, it’s you! It is us. It is this committee, and the things that we insist that we need have to cost money.” [total load of BS -ed.]
    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/15/sparks-fly-during-house-benghazi-hearing-dems-accuse-gop-of-mccarthyism-say-attack-on-consulate-their-fault/


  75. 75 | November 15, 2012 3:29 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.
    Nazi Germany?

    That’s a bit of a stretch — Poland 1968 is more like it.

    Why don’t you two compromise? Agree that it will be like Poland during Nazi occupation . . . if we are lucky.


  76. heysoos
    76 | November 15, 2012 3:31 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Eactly. Benghazi is a dead end. Not because there isn’t a scandal there. It makes Watergate look like a minor burglary. But the MFM is totally incurious about what happened there. Fox News alone can’t carry the water for the Socialist-Media Complex.

    I disagree…money talks and the MSM will follow the viewership when they smell blood…be patient weedhoppa


  77. lobo91
    77 | November 15, 2012 3:32 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    Ackerman went on to say that Republicans had “the audacity to come here” when the administration requested, for worldwide security, “$440 million more than you guys wanted to provide. And the answer is that you damn didn’t provide it! You REDUCED what the administration asked for to protect these people. Ask not who the guilty party is, it’s you! It is us. It is this committee, and the things that we insist that we need have to cost money.”

    Never mind the fact that since the Democrats refused to actually pass a budget, nothing the Republicans did or didn’t do actually made any difference.


  78. 78 | November 15, 2012 3:32 pm

    I think this Benghazi affair is a crucible; should the ruth not be uncovered, we’ll know that we’ve reached a level of executive opacity heretofore unknown in the United States.


  79. buzzsawmonkey
    79 | November 15, 2012 3:34 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Debbie Schlussel is a whack job.

    Sort of a Debbie Wasserman Schlussel, if you know what I mean.

    Maybe the two of them should mudwrestle on cable.


  80. buzzsawmonkey
    80 | November 15, 2012 3:34 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Hey, lobo—some stuff at the end of the Romney thread you should see.


  81. lobo91
    81 | November 15, 2012 3:34 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I disagree…money talks and the MSM will follow the viewership when they smell blood…be patient weedhoppa

    Not likely. The broadcast networks won’t cross the administration, because they know what can be done to them if they do.

    And CNN and MSNBC are dedicated left-wing propadanda outlets already.

    That basically leaves Fox News all by itself to cover this…which is exactly what’s happening.


  82. livefreeor die
    82 | November 15, 2012 3:35 pm

    My three year old just came in from “helping” the hubby outside. Off to my day job!


  83. lobo91
    83 | November 15, 2012 3:35 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I think they’re more like matter and anti-matter.

    Bringing them together would likely destroy the world.


  84. heysoos
    84 | November 15, 2012 3:35 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I think this Benghazi affair is a crucible; should the ruth not be uncovered, we’ll know that we’ve reached a level of executive opacity heretofore unknown in the United States.

    agreed, and what better opportunity would ever present itself?…with Benghazi, all the elements are in place, death and destruction, the highest ranking officials, dereliction, sex, deceit etc…this has to be it, and I think it will be


  85. buzzsawmonkey
    85 | November 15, 2012 3:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I think they’re more like matter and anti-matter.

    Bringing them together would likely destroy the world.

    Too bad both of them aren’t just doesn’t-matter.


  86. heysoos
    86 | November 15, 2012 3:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I disagree…money talks and the MSM will follow the viewership when they smell blood…be patient weedhoppa
    Not likely. The broadcast networks won’t cross the administration, because they know what can be done to them if they do.
    And CNN and MSNBC are dedicated left-wing propadanda outlets already.
    That basically leaves Fox News all by itself to cover this…which is exactly what’s happening.

    don’t discount the will of the people…they love sex, blood and guts and may surprise you yet…Benghazi is just getting up to speed


  87. 87 | November 15, 2012 3:41 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    agreed, and what better opportunity would ever present itself?…with Benghazi, all the elements are in place, death and destruction, the highest ranking officials, dereliction, sex, deceit etc…this has to be it, and I think it will be

    It’s like the unholy hybrid of a Tom Clancy/Jacqueline Suzanne novel.


  88. heysoos
    88 | November 15, 2012 3:42 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    agreed, and what better opportunity would ever present itself?…with Benghazi, all the elements are in place, death and destruction, the highest ranking officials, dereliction, sex, deceit etc…this has to be it, and I think it will be
    It’s like the unholy hybrid of a Tom Clancy/Jacqueline Suzanne novel.

    life mimics art


  89. 89 | November 15, 2012 3:42 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I think this Benghazi affair is a crucible; should the ruth not be uncovered, we’ll know that we’ve reached a level of executive opacity heretofore unknown in the United States.

    What you are seeing is a cult of personality. Obama could shot someone on TV and people will support him.


  90. lobo91
    90 | November 15, 2012 3:43 pm

    @ heysoos:

    don’t discount the will of the people…they love sex, blood and guts and may surprise you yet…Benghazi is just getting up to speed

    Network news loses money. That’s reality.


  91. lobo91
    91 | November 15, 2012 3:44 pm

    @ Rodan:

    What you are seeing is a cult of personality. Obama could shot someone on TV and people will support him.

    Chris Matthews would praise his marksmanship skills.


  92. heysoos
    92 | November 15, 2012 3:46 pm

    @ Rodan:
    BO does not represent or speak for everyone, regardless of these phony elections…I’m saying it’s premature to blow Libya off and call it for BO…it’s a long way from there so we should look at as detached as possible, rather than with runaway emotion….it’s NOT done yet and predictions are worthless


  93. buzzsawmonkey
    93 | November 15, 2012 3:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Chris Matthews would praise his marksmanship skills.

    That’s “Marxmanship,” I think.


  94. heysoos
    94 | November 15, 2012 3:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    don’t discount the will of the people…they love sex, blood and guts and may surprise you yet…Benghazi is just getting up to speed
    Network news loses money. That’s reality.

    I’m gonna wait and see what shakes out…if you know the future and you claim to, then I’m gonna move aside and let you preach


  95. 95 | November 15, 2012 3:49 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You know it. He will claim the victim was racist and had it coming.


  96. 96 | November 15, 2012 3:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Yeah, I am following you…

    It’s sad you joined the military when the Communists were an external enemy. Now they run our country. Who won the Cold war?

    Ronald Reagan won the Cold War and there are a lot of people in Eastern Europe who are very thankful. I have a friend who went back to his native Poland for a visit. His little town has a nice new statue of the town’s hero, Ronald Reagan.


  97. darkwords
    97 | November 15, 2012 3:52 pm

    @ 63 lobo91: I’ve read good stuff and bad stuff by her.She has a polarity going on.


  98. lobo91
    98 | November 15, 2012 3:52 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    BO does not represent or speak for everyone, regardless of these phony elections…I’m saying it’s premature to blow Libya off and call it for BO…it’s a long way from there so we should look at as detached as possible, rather than with runaway emotion….it’s NOT done yet and predictions are worthless

    For you:


  99. 99 | November 15, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    It’s ironic that The US is now the Leftist Marxist power and Russia is the Capitalist-Christian power. WTF happened?


  100. lobo91
    100 | November 15, 2012 3:54 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 63 lobo91: I’ve read good stuff and bad stuff by her.She has a polarity going on.

    She’s clinically insane.

    She may occasionally come up with something accidentally, but she’s still a nut.


  101. 101 | November 15, 2012 3:54 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Debbie Schlussel is a whack job.

    She’s had a nervous breakdown.


  102. darkwords
    102 | November 15, 2012 3:55 pm

    @ 74 Storagemanager Obama could have still supported the Seals and decided not to.


  103. lobo91
    103 | November 15, 2012 3:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Debbie Schlussel is a whack job.

    She’s had a nervous breakdown.

    Is she still engaged in her jihad against Sean Hannity?

    I refuse to click on her site to see.


  104. 104 | November 15, 2012 3:56 pm

    @ lobo91:

    GMTA see my 101.


  105. 105 | November 15, 2012 3:56 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    And isn’t it Washington State that has a statue of Lenin? We have our traitors over here. Large numbers of them. Not just people who have sold out for a buck, but working-for-the-other-side traitors.


  106. 106 | November 15, 2012 3:58 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yes she hates Hannity, Limbaug, Rubio, Jindal and others. She is gloating that Romney lost and we deserve what we are getting.


  107. 107 | November 15, 2012 3:58 pm

    :D

    Dennis Miller:

    Unions in Europe are planning work stoppages for a “Day of Action” austerity protest. Odd society where “Day of Action” means doing absolutely nothing.


  108. lobo91
    108 | November 15, 2012 3:58 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:

    And isn’t it Washington State that has a statue of Lenin? We have our traitors over here. Large numbers of them. Not just people who have sold out for a buck, but working-for-the-other-side traitors.

    Yes, there’s a statue of Lenin in a park in Seattle.


  109. 109 | November 15, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    22 years after the cold war end:

    Eastern Europe and Russia are Capitalist
    Western Europe and America are Marxist/Socialist.

    Irony of history?


  110. darkwords
    110 | November 15, 2012 4:00 pm

    @ 100 lobo91: I’ve dealt with the clinically insane. Their noise to reality ratio is just a lot higher. :-) One might weight their opinions if one has the bandwidth but in general one wouldn’t depend on them.

    Accuracy.


  111. 111 | November 15, 2012 4:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:

    And isn’t it Washington State that has a statue of Lenin? We have our traitors over here. Large numbers of them. Not just people who have sold out for a buck, but working-for-the-other-side traitors.

    Actually, I think we have more than one and yes, I think one of them may be in Seattle.


  112. waldensianspirit
    112 | November 15, 2012 4:00 pm

    What happens when it isn’t “Earned”, Speranza?


  113. darkwords
    113 | November 15, 2012 4:01 pm

    I used to work for a millionaire. Whenever he saw a cigarette butt on the ground he would pick it up and throw it away.

    Two lessons;
    1. No piece of work is too little to do.
    2. A better world is fixed by a good example.

    Vote Fraud is like cigarette butt.


  114. 114 | November 15, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ Rodan:
    It is a surprise. And now, after four more years of Obama, it looks like America is the one who is going to have economic collapse. It didn’t have to be this way.


  115. heysoos
    115 | November 15, 2012 4:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 63 lobo91: I’ve read good stuff and bad stuff by her.She has a polarity going on.

    She’s clinically insane.
    She may occasionally come up with something accidentally, but she’s still a nut.

    agreed…when I think about the personalities of our elected officials I about stroke…Our Gang is running this country…consider the team effort during WW2 or the unbelievable accomplishment of going to the moon, as opposed to the stupid, half wits we elect in these times of devolution….our gov is mostly idiots…no direction, no sense of responsibility, no clue how to lead and think long term…these people see a huge pie on the table and drool over their slice….then they distance themselves and consider their re-election…if we are doomed, that’s why…it’s not Latinos or Catholics or Southerners…it’s all of us, it’s about celebrity


  116. darkwords
    116 | November 15, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ 111 MacDuff: There is a statue of Lenin 5 miles from me in the Fremont district of Seattle.


  117. darkwords
    117 | November 15, 2012 4:03 pm

    @ 115 heysoos:EArlier post about IQ test. We do need a wisdom test for people running for office.


  118. 118 | November 15, 2012 4:04 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    What happens when it isn’t “Earned”, Speranza?

    Eventually, democracy is no more than glorified mob rule and if November 6 wasn’t a perfect example of that, I don’t know what is.


  119. waldensianspirit
    119 | November 15, 2012 4:04 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 111 MacDuff: There is a statue of Lenin 5 miles from me in the Fremont district of Seattle.

    hmm, that’d lend itself to all kinds of mischief


  120. lobo91
    120 | November 15, 2012 4:06 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I used to work for Paul Allen.

    Complete and total asshole.


  121. 121 | November 15, 2012 4:07 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    EArlier post about IQ test. We do need a wisdom test for people running for office.

    I wonder if it’s an issue of the wisdom of the candidate as much as it is the wisdom of the electorate.


  122. 122 | November 15, 2012 4:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    It’s ironic that The US is now the Leftist Marxist power and Russia is the Capitalist-Christian power. WTF happened?

    I can remember Paul Harvey predicting this back in the 1980s and maybe even the 1970s. “The USA and the USSR will someday cross like ships in the night.” Not sure that is an exact quote.

    But, I think the real answer is the difference between the people. Russia became a Christian country in 988. Although, still technically under Communism in 1988, Russia celebrated 1,000 years of Christianity. (Believe me, in 1988, I was laughing pretty hard.)

    While the Soviets may have controlled the government and the propaganda machine, they never got to the hearts of the Orthodox Christian people of Russia. The kids got one story at school and a different one at home, from parents and grand parents.

    Orthodox Christianity strives under oppression. It has for nearly 2,000 years. I have a good friend, born here in Dixieland, but living in Moscow since the late 1980s. I know even more people who have visited Russia. The Russian people are building churches like they are going out of style.

    Can you honestly imagine the Christianity that we see in the US surviving three or four generations of atheist oppression?


  123. heysoos
    123 | November 15, 2012 4:10 pm

    my older sister used to gush over Elvis…she touched him, she has his sweat stained scarf, all the books, records and trips to Graceland…actually made me queezy and profoundly suspect….famous people are just people for whatever reason…I’ve known famous people and even they don’t understand it…we have to raise the bar in terms of quality leadership…we have to hold these people responsible…this celeb/pol worship angle is gonna kill us…stay focused


  124. lobo91
    124 | November 15, 2012 4:12 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I remember the first time I met Gary Johnson.

    I was standing next to him at the urinal in the men’s room of the Marriott in Albuquerque.


  125. 125 | November 15, 2012 4:14 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    4 bad Presidents since Reagan does that.


  126. 126 | November 15, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    Can you honestly imagine the Christianity that we see in the US surviving three or four generations of atheist oppression?

    heck we are barely surviving now!


  127. 127 | November 15, 2012 4:16 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Won’t pass the House and I don’t think 3/4ths of the states will vote for an amendment to give Jerk the Wonder Prez a third term.

    As for Biden, right now he’s a harmless “body with a grin behind it” -- I don’t think 8 years of looking like everybody’s crazy Uncle Harold who iives in a shack in swamp is going to make him a more viable candidate. And I think in four years Bammy is going to be able to neutralize the Clintons -- just like old BJ essentially neutralized the Goreacle -- he didn’t want the schmuck to be President and didn’t campaign for him. Hildebeest is going to be thoroughly discredited as in over her head for the last four years that she’ll be climbing UP Niagra Falls trying to get the nomination.

    I don’t know who else they have waiting in the wings are the moment -- Steny Hoyer?


  128. 128 | November 15, 2012 4:18 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I am scared to imagine what Obama’s second term will look like.

    Rome after the death of Julius Caesar

    Bypassing Augustus no doubt and heading for Tkiberius and Caligula with the speed of a car-pool lane.


  129. lobo91
    129 | November 15, 2012 4:19 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I don’t know who else they have waiting in the wings are the moment — Steny Hoyer?

    David Axelrod is planning to run Deval Patrick. He was the prototype for Obama.


  130. heysoos
    130 | November 15, 2012 4:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I remember the first time I met Gary Johnson.
    I was standing next to him at the urinal in the men’s room of the Marriott in Albuquerque.

    there you have it…pols take the stage just like actors or musicians…Mick Jagger is privately a very laid back guy, but he made up this stage persona that people dig and now he’s expected to always be this frantic, strutting bad boy…a timeless story…people see politics and elections in particular as entertainment…somebody needs to change that, which is why this Libyagate thing is so important…it’s reality vs fantasy


  131. buzzsawmonkey
    131 | November 15, 2012 4:21 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I don’t know who else they have waiting in the wings are the moment — Steny Hoyer?

    Deval Patrick.

    Rahm Emanuel.

    Cory Booker.


  132. 132 | November 15, 2012 4:24 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    somebody needs to change that, which is why this Libyagate thing is so important…it’s reality vs fantasy

    I’m not so sure Americans are that tuned in to “reality” unless it’s followed by “TV”.


  133. lobo91
    133 | November 15, 2012 4:25 pm

    @ heysoos:

    somebody needs to change that, which is why this Libyagate thing is so important…it’s reality vs fantasy

    Unfortunately, I’ve seen too much of the inside of what passes for journalism today.

    Had Nixon been a Democrat, there would have been very little difference in how Watergate was covered, because back then, it was all about ratings/circulation and scooping the competition. Even in the ’90s, there was still a lot of that. People forget that it was the NY Times that broke the Whitewater story.

    Today, though, the national media are run by the same sort of left-wing ideologues who have taken over the Democratic Party. They’re essentially all part of the same cabal.

    You aren’t going to see this story pushed hard by anyone but Fox News, which means that 80% of the public will at best ignore it, and at worst, completely disregard it as being a partisan plot.


  134. heysoos
    134 | November 15, 2012 4:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    I don’t know who else they have waiting in the wings are the moment — Steny Hoyer?
    Deval Patrick.
    Rahm Emanuel.
    Cory Booker.

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    I don’t know who else they have waiting in the wings are the moment — Steny Hoyer?
    Deval Patrick.
    Rahm Emanuel.
    Cory Booker.

    Tinkers, to Evans, to Chance…
    just names plugged into the system

    like
    Bush, to Palin, to Mit
    buncha bullshit


  135. lobo91
    135 | November 15, 2012 4:26 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m not so sure Americans are that tuned in to “reality” unless it’s followed by “TV”.

    Which has nothing to do with actual reality.


  136. 136 | November 15, 2012 4:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m not so sure Americans are that tuned in to “reality” unless it’s followed by “TV”.

    Which has nothing to do with actual reality.

    Not much on TV does.


  137. 137 | November 15, 2012 4:33 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    Obama is Caligula.


  138. 138 | November 15, 2012 4:34 pm

    <a href="#co_1117261" title="Go to comment of this @ bluliner10:
    Maybe it will -- just in time for high-speed rail in California to require a $10 billion a year subsidy for the 25 people that will ride it once a month.


  139. Speranza
    139 | November 15, 2012 4:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Obama is Caligula.

    Caligula, Domitian, Nero, Caracalla -- any one of those.


  140. 140 | November 15, 2012 4:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The Democrats and Obama are screaming “mandate!” but I believe Obama got something like 7 million FEWER votes this time than last and barely eeked out a 1% margin of victory. Hell, that’s not a mandate. It’s more like a “margin of error.”


  141. Speranza
    141 | November 15, 2012 4:41 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I don’t know who else they have waiting in the wings are the moment — Steny Hoyer?

    Debbie “Downer” Wasserman-Schultz.


  142. Speranza
    142 | November 15, 2012 4:42 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    The Democrats and Obama are screaming “mandate!” but I believe Obama got something like 7 million FEWER votes this time than last and barely eeked out a 1% margin of victory. Hell, that’s not a mandate. It’s more like a “margin of error.”

    Maybe they can just raise taxes on those that voted for Obama. Those of us did not vote for him can stay as we are and be exempt from Obamacare.


  143. waldensianspirit
    143 | November 15, 2012 4:46 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Maybe they can just raise taxes on those that voted for Obama. Those of us did not vote for him can stay as we are and be exempt from Obamacare.

    Yep a bi-goverment


  144. buzzsawmonkey
    144 | November 15, 2012 4:47 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    The Democrats and Obama are screaming “mandate!”

    Kal Penn and Reggie Love unavailable for comment…


  145. 145 | November 15, 2012 4:47 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Tax Millionaires and impose a 30% Entertainment tax on movies, music and sporting events.


  146. waldensianspirit
    146 | November 15, 2012 4:48 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Hell, that’s not a mandate. It’s more like a “margin of error.”

    When it’s within, he should be required to have Romney as his VP


  147. 147 | November 15, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    That’s how it used to be, as I recall. Top vote getter was President, second highest was Veep -- I would assume the reasoning being that if the President died in office, his successor would have been the second most desired candidate in the election.


  148. lobo91
    148 | November 15, 2012 4:55 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:

    That’s how it used to be, as I recall. Top vote getter was President, second highest was Veep — I would assume the reasoning being that if the President died in office, his successor would have been the second most desired candidate in the election.

    It didn’t take too long to figure out that that was a bad idea.


  149. 96cid
    149 | November 15, 2012 4:58 pm

    Question. Why did Patraeus have to resign over a sex scandal when a famous revered Commander-in-Chief didn’t, and not only that also survived impeachment and is the daddy darling of his party today?


  150. lobo91
    150 | November 15, 2012 4:59 pm

    96cid wrote:

    Question. Why did Patraeus have to resign over a sex scandal when a famous revered Commander-in-Chief didn’t, and not only that also survived impeachment and is the daddy darling of his party today?

    Because nobody expected anything better out of Clinton?


  151. 96cid
    151 | November 15, 2012 5:03 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Petraeus is falling on the sword for Obama in return for something that is yet to be revealed. IMHO


  152. lobo91
    152 | November 15, 2012 5:05 pm

    @ 96cid:

    Could be


  153. RIX
    153 | November 15, 2012 5:06 pm

    Barack Obama would not be in this mess if it wasn’t
    for his predecessor Barack Obama’[s incompetence.


  154. RIX
    154 | November 15, 2012 5:08 pm

    @ 96cid:
    To keep his pension?


  155. 155 | November 15, 2012 5:09 pm

    New Thread.


  156. 96cid
    156 | November 15, 2012 5:18 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ 96cid:
    To keep his pension?

    That’s my thinking if the extramarital affair occurred while he was still General Petraeus and not the CIA chief. We don’t stone adulterers in civilian life but under the UCMJ adultery is an offense.


  157. buzzsawmonkey
    157 | November 15, 2012 5:24 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    That’s how it used to be, as I recall. Top vote getter was President, second highest was Veep — I would assume the reasoning being that if the President died in office, his successor would have been the second most desired candidate in the election.

    lobo91 wrote:

    It didn’t take too long to figure out that that was a bad idea.

    It was probably done in an effort to avoid factionalism—something that deeply concerned the Founders—and to attempt to foster national unity after the inevitable divisiveness of an election.

    In a perfect world, the idea of the two opponents uniting after the contest for the good of the nation has an excellent sound; unfortunately, it is not a perfect world. It’s sort of reminiscent of the James Garner/Jack Lemmon film “My Fellow Americans,” in which two former presidents who deeply dislike each other learn respect for each other and each other’s views and come together on a unity ticket (after a series of adventures) for the good of the country.


  158. buzzsawmonkey
    158 | November 15, 2012 5:27 pm

    Please drop a comment over at PJM if you like this (link in the title):

    The Charge of the Light Worker
    —apologies to Alfred, Lord Tennyson, and “The Charge of the Light Brigade”

    Half a bill, half a bill,
    Hundreds of billions,
    To the fiscal cliff of Debt—
    Now sixteen trillion.
    “Forward!” Light Worker said,
    “Charge what we want!” he said
    On the fiscal cliff of Debt,
    Now sixteen trillion.

    “Forward!” Light Worker said
    “Though we’re deeply in the red,
    I’m doing what I said
    When I thrilled millions:
    The Treasury my “stash,”
    Green energy plans rash,
    Billions in crony cash,
    Off the fiscal cliff of Debt,
    Now sixteen trillion.”

    “Regulate industry,
    Depress the economy,
    Create false scarcity,
    Cut back oil drilling.
    Let entitlements swell;
    Make our defense a shell;
    Into the jaws of Debt—
    How great? no one can tell—
    Now sixteen trillion.”

    Flush’d down fed’ral programs,
    Flush’d down his healthcare scam,
    Threat’ning with the taxman
    Any who would protest
    His road to ruin.
    Heedless and unafraid,
    The press acting to aid
    Dissimulation
    His plans had long been laid
    The land to do in;
    The bill came back much more
    Than sixteen trillion.

    “Regulate industry,
    Depress the economy,
    Create false scarcity,
    Cut back oil drilling.
    Let entitlements swell—”
    That’s how a nation fell,
    Freedoms tossed down a well,
    Into a maw of Debt
    How great, no one can tell
    All we know is that it’s
    Now sixteen trillion.

    Would we were as we were
    Ere half the land preferred
    Public trough swilling.
    What a profound error
    To let the Light Worker
    Squander our trillions!


  159. buzzsawmonkey
    159 | November 15, 2012 5:28 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Phooey; posted this in the wrong thread.


  160. 96cid
    160 | November 15, 2012 5:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Phooey; posted this in the wrong thread.

    We forgive you. :)


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