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The Fiscal Cliff Is Really A Slope, And Going Over It Is The Right Thing To Do.

by Flyovercountry ( 232 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, taxation at November 15th, 2012 - 5:07 pm

Political Cartoons by Jerry Holbert

Yesterday, I attended an economic summit. I left somewhat more concerned for America’s future than when I arrived. Not so much because of the deals that probably will not be made during the lame duck session of Congress, which is something that should not be allowed anyhow, but because of our insistence in swallowing the snake oil that is Socialism. We continue to swallow this snake oil, no matter how bad the taste from our last dosage is. We have continued to swallow the snake oil, even though that taste still lingers in our collective, (pun intended,) mouths. Our nation really has become two nations. One is made up of large Urban areas that will always vote for allowing the government to take on an ever growing role as the ultimate authority and provider of everything from A to Z. The other America is the flyover country, those knuckle dragging rubes who seem to feel that outdated ideals such as a constrained government that is not permitted to intrude itself upon the daily lives of those who make up the citizenry is what’s best for America.

We have reached a tipping point, where the two populations are almost equal in size, with very little in common. The result is that compromise is fast becoming a thing of the past, and now means, “your side should just capitulate already.” Know this going into the next couple of months. The people who voted for Barack Obama, and voted for a Senate to be controlled by Democrats, voted for increased government largess and a larger more intrusive government. Those who voted for Republicans to control the House voted for the opposite. In short, Americans got together again this year and voted for gridlock. For those of us who are conservative in nature, gridlock is the best that we can hope for. The Republican controlled House is our cease and desist order for the Obama agenda, and it is still in force. The Tea Party movement in the House is the only Republican contingent not to lose any seats in the shrinking Republican majority in the lower chamber, and has now become a larger voting block in terms of the percentage of the GOP makeup in that chamber. In a world where the Senate has shifted to the left in dramatic fashion, and a President who’s own lame duck term in office will take any centrist constraints placed upon him with the specter of facing an election, the pressure to hold strong will be wielded by a stronger Tea Party movement in a weaker Republican House coalition. In short, don’t look for a deal concerning the supposed fiscal cliff, embrace the self imposed defacto balanced budget amendment, for the two months that it will last.

Economic hardship is coming, and it will not be the sequestration and discontinuation of idiotic and wasteful spending that brings it. If anything, the fiscal slope will be something that softens the blow. The reason that I refer to the events about to unfold as a slope is that it’s effects will not be felt all at once. It will take a period of about 6 months to fully unfold, and the result will be the government not spending more than what it it takes in, in terms of revenue. The ill effects of Obamacare on the other hand, those will be severe, and will begin to be felt almost immediately from today forward. We have already seen several dozen businesses announce layoffs, cuts in employee hours, hikes in prices, movements to foreign markets, etc. directly attributed to Obamacare. We have also seen reports of Doctors, already retiring early, starting other professions, and giving up the practice of medicine, directly attributed to Obamacare. So enjoy your second dosage of that Marxist snake oil America, too bad it will taste no better than the first dosage. Thank goodness that there’s a Tea Party controlled majority in the House to keep us somewhat tethered to reality, how ever loosely.

There is a mistaken belief that people have that says our spending is greater than our taxation, which results in deficit spending. So, here it is. Government spending is taxation. That form that we all think of as taxation is really just the revenue portion of the taxes we pay, the rest is made up of quantitative easing, and debt. After all, the tooth fairy is not waiting somewhere with a bag full of cashed in lost teeth just waiting to make us whole again. While your 401k’s might very well still be reflective of values that have larger numbers in them than when we first elected this President, the purchasing power is most probably less or possibly only the same. In other words, their values were eaten in the quantitative easing tax that nobody actually voted on but was imposed none the less.

Long story short, if you keep stealing money from the private sector in order to continue the Santa Claus fantasy of your promises of free crap to be gifted from the public sector, eventually the private sector will quit trying to produce so much that people see them as a ripe target for theft. They’ll take their toys and leave. Mexico, China, India, or Columbia will become even more attractive places to conduct commerce. When that happens, it won’t matter what the promises were, there will be nothing left to hand out.

Our debt limit is a ridiculous notion at best. Those who lend our government $4 Billion each and every day could care less what our self imposed idea of our limitations are. The debt limit that does matter is our creditor’s willingness to continue this farce. When they begin to worry about the risk of loaning us money, (falling credit ratings should be ringing some bells,) or when they feel the sting of being ripped off due to being paid interest in devalued currency, that limitation will hurt a hell of a lot more.

Economic pain is a necessary part of any economic system, capitalism and socialism included. It is a signal that people need to change their methods and products of production. If left alone, the free markets have allowed those changes to take place with very tolerable signals, that has not ended in whole sale misery. On the other hand, promises to be able to remove all economic pain from the equation has only delayed said pain and always served to amplify the ill effects of ignoring those market signals. The great Depression was a failure of bad government policy, and history has shown that increased government intervention did far more harm than good. There are not solutions, just trade offs.

At what point in our national discussion will we notice that the areas of Urban blight that continually vote for more government control are the areas where misery is experienced in its greatest amount. Likewise, flyover country is where the economic conditions are still relatively strong. At what point will we notice that we should be implementing the economics of success in those places where misery is prevalent rather than the other way around. After all, there is only so much of other people’s money that can be stolen before they are tapped as well.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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232 Responses to “The Fiscal Cliff Is Really A Slope, And Going Over It Is The Right Thing To Do.”
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  1. Guggi
    1 | November 15, 2012 5:16 pm

    Am I the only one who has problems with the blog ? It is oscillating.


  2. RIX
    2 | November 15, 2012 5:17 pm

    Richard Trumpka , President of the AFL-CIO attended a National
    Mediation Board Conference today.
    The boffoonish Trumpka said that there is no Fiscal Cliff,
    ‘It;s manufactured”
    If you doubt him, he will sic some union thugs on you.


  3. 3 | November 15, 2012 5:19 pm

    To me, it’s the way the Democrats see this magical figure of $250,000 per household as “rich.” That is the high end of middle class income in the San Francisco Bay Area. It may be a lot of money in Indiana or Wisconsin -- but in an urban area, that doesn’t even remotely qualify as “rich.”

    As a result, they seem to think the $250,000 households must have a wheelbarrow load of disposable income, because they are certainly coming for it from a thousand directions.

    But mark my words, it will not be stopping three. They aren’t going to generate nearly the revenue they anticipate -- by this time next year, anyone making $100,000 will be “rich.”


  4. waldensianspirit
    4 | November 15, 2012 5:20 pm

    Is there a nice jump and landing at the bottom?


  5. 5 | November 15, 2012 5:21 pm

    @ Guggi:

    It seems fine to me.


  6. 6 | November 15, 2012 5:22 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    That’s why the GOP should offer increases on incomes over 1 Million dollars. Let’s call Obama on his bluff.


  7. heysoos
    7 | November 15, 2012 5:26 pm

    I’m disconnected from the feds, except federal taxes here and there…I don’t see myself as part of the coming demise…take your money out of the stock market and bury it, cash out your 401′s and stick it under the mattress, and get some gold…if your taxes are too much, protest them but do not pay them…if your children are clean cut, sell them to the Saudis…no don’t, jk


  8. 8 | November 15, 2012 5:27 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Absolutely. And even more on income over $5,000,000. And I also like your idea of “entertainment” salaries being taxed an extra 30%. If you make money from concerts or acting, mo’ money, mo’ mon
    They like “skin in the game”? They think they’re taxes aren’t high enough? They should see what the rich had to pay when Eisenhower was President!


  9. 9 | November 15, 2012 5:28 pm

    As Rush Limbaugh has pointed out time and again -- they need to realize that it’s not “THEIR” money.


  10. 10 | November 15, 2012 5:29 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yup, it’s time to go after the Rich Democrats.


  11. buzzsawmonkey
    11 | November 15, 2012 5:29 pm

    Please drop a comment over at PJM if you like this (link in the title):

    The Charge of the Light Worker
    —apologies to Alfred, Lord Tennyson, and “The Charge of the Light Brigade”

    Half a bill, half a bill,
    Hundreds of billions,
    To the fiscal cliff of Debt—
    Now sixteen trillion.
    “Forward!” Light Worker said,
    “Charge what we want!” he said
    On the fiscal cliff of Debt,
    Now sixteen trillion.

    “Forward!” Light Worker said
    “Though we’re deeply in the red,
    I’m doing what I said
    When I thrilled millions:
    The Treasury my “stash,”
    Green energy plans rash,
    Billions in crony cash,
    Off the fiscal cliff of Debt,
    Now sixteen trillion.”

    “Regulate industry,
    Depress the economy,
    Create false scarcity,
    Cut back oil drilling.
    Let entitlements swell;
    Make our defense a shell;
    Into the jaws of Debt—
    How great? no one can tell—
    Now sixteen trillion.”

    Flush’d down fed’ral programs,
    Flush’d down his healthcare scam,
    Threat’ning with the taxman
    Any who would protest
    His road to ruin.
    Heedless and unafraid,
    The press acting to aid
    Dissimulation
    His plans had long been laid
    The land to do in;
    The bill came back much more
    Than sixteen trillion.

    “Regulate industry,
    Depress the economy,
    Create false scarcity,
    Cut back oil drilling.
    Let entitlements swell—”
    That’s how a nation fell,
    Freedoms tossed down a well,
    Into a maw of Debt
    How great, no one can tell
    All we know is that it’s
    Now sixteen trillion.

    Would we were as we were
    Ere half the land preferred
    Public trough swilling.
    What a profound error
    To let the Light Worker
    Squander our trillions!


  12. heysoos
    12 | November 15, 2012 5:32 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    As Rush Limbaugh has pointed out time and again — they need to realize that it’s not “THEIR” money.

    the feds work for us…this has been fundamentally conceded to the guy who’s raping you


  13. 96cid
    13 | November 15, 2012 5:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Yup, it’s time to go after the Rich Democrats.

    Emailed my Congress critter today saying that since 8 of the 10 richest counties in the USA voted for Obama, you should raise their taxes not by rate but by limiting their deductions. Hit ‘em where it hurts for extravagant home purchases with resultant high property taxes.


  14. waldensianspirit
    14 | November 15, 2012 5:52 pm

    -5


  15. 15 | November 15, 2012 5:59 pm

    I saw that today. He’s trending back downward again. Even after the election and “he won” etc. ad nauseum, it did not propel him into a positive rating in Rasmussen. He has some of the highest positives he’s seen in Rasmussen since January of 2009, but his “strongly DISapprove” number is still higher than his “strongly approve.”

    And I don’t see anything on the horizon that’s going to boost it. He dropped two points in two days -- and he’s looking more and more like a punk who didn’t really have a damn plan and faked everybody out once again.


  16. 16 | November 15, 2012 6:03 pm

    @ 96cid:

    Absolutely. All we heard was that these jerks who wanted their taxes raised were the “true patriots!” Except of course, when that young lady showed up at the Congressional office buildings the same day all these millionaires were prowling the halls for “Congressional Patriotic Millionaire Day” — she had her laptop open to the webpage for the IRS where a rich guilty White boy could pay some extra $$$ to the government via the IRS since those dirty, nasty, shifty Republicans wouldn’t go ahead and raise his taxes….

    ….and wouldn’t you know it. Not a single one of those “Patriotic Millionaires” screaming for a higher tax burden took the young lady up on her office to help them “pay more.”

    Anyone else think that these jerks may have voted for Obama, but voted for the REPUBLICAN candidate for the House?


  17. 17 | November 15, 2012 6:11 pm

    Canada’s got it right — could we trade for Harper?

    The government of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper once again demonstrated its unwavering support of Israel on Thursday when it unequivocally backed the Jewish state’s military response to incessant terrorist rocket fire.

    “We fundamentally believe that Israel has the right to defend itself and its citizens from terrorist threats,” stated Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird. “Far too often, the Jewish people find themselves on the front lines in the struggle against terrorism, the great struggle of our generation.”

    We’ll give them Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid and a Bolshevik to be named later.


  18. RIX
    18 | November 15, 2012 6:11 pm

    Representative Clyburn shared with Chris Matthews
    why the evil Republicans are criticizing Susan Rice.
    The reason? Ta da! She is African American.
    What? You thought that it was because she took
    the White House lying talking points about Bengazi
    to five different Sunday programs? Sheeesh!


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    19 | November 15, 2012 6:14 pm

    Barack Obama is helping the growth of small business by forcing large businesses to downsize.


  20. Da_Beerfreak
    20 | November 15, 2012 6:14 pm

    The Lies Of The Left

    One of the secrets of Barack Obama’s success is his ability to say things that will sound both plausible and inspiring to uninformed people, even when they sound ridiculous to people who know the facts. Apparently he believes the former outnumber the latter, and the election results suggest that he may be right.


  21. lobo91
    21 | November 15, 2012 6:15 pm

    @ RIX:

    I’m still waiting for someone to explain why, if she had “nothing to do with” what happened in Benghazi, as Obama claimed yesterday, he sent her out to spread disinformation on all those talk shows.

    Why didn’t they just email them a PowerPoint presentation?


  22. lobo91
    22 | November 15, 2012 6:16 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Apparently he believes the former outnumber the latter, and the election results suggest that he may be right.

    Suggest? I’d say that they prove it.


  23. RIX
    23 | November 15, 2012 6:16 pm

    Warren Buffet just said in an interview that Obama should
    dig in his heels, even if it pushes us over the Fiscal Cliff.
    Why is he rich & I’m not?


  24. lobo91
    24 | November 15, 2012 6:18 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Warren Buffet just said in an interview that Obama should
    dig in his heels, even if it pushes us over the Fiscal Cliff.
    Why is he rich & I’m not?

    Because he’s politically connected and you’re not.


  25. 25 | November 15, 2012 6:19 pm

    @ RIX:
    If Warren Buffet thinks he doesn’t pay enough taxes he could try paying the billions he owes instead of coming after my wallet.


  26. RIX
    26 | November 15, 2012 6:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I’m still waiting for someone to explain why, if she had “nothing to do with” what happened in Benghazi, as Obama claimed yesterday, he sent her out to spread disinformation on all those talk shows.

    Why didn’t they just email them a PowerPoint presentation?

    That is the duplicity of Obama’s faux outrage, he sent her out.
    Where is the outrage over four dead Americans?
    Apparently Obama’s well being trumps them.


  27. RIX
    27 | November 15, 2012 6:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Warren Buffet just said in an interview that Obama should
    dig in his heels, even if it pushes us over the Fiscal Cliff.
    Why is he rich & I’m not?

    Because he’s politically connected and you’re not.

    I would be a really happy rich guy.


  28. lobo91
    28 | November 15, 2012 6:22 pm

    @ RIX:

    That is the duplicity of Obama’s faux outrage, he sent her out.
    Where is the outrage over four dead Americans?
    Apparently Obama’s well being trumps them.

    And he claims to have explained everything to the families.

    Oddly enough, the father of one of the former SEALs was on Sean Hannity’s show this afternoon, and he seemed to have a different opinion.


  29. RIX
    29 | November 15, 2012 6:23 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    If Warren Buffet thinks he doesn’t pay enough taxes he could try paying the billions he owes instead of coming after my wallet.

    He’s a fraud, great financial mind, but still a fraud.
    He can pay more in taxes, but chooses not to.


  30. 96cid
    30 | November 15, 2012 6:24 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Westchester County NY
    Marin County CA
    Somerset County NJ
    Fairfield County CT
    Fairfax County VA government workers?
    Loudon County VA government workers?
    Pitkin County CO (you should see the private aircraft parked at the airport there)
    Nantucket County Massaschusetts


  31. RIX
    31 | November 15, 2012 6:26 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And he claims to have explained everything to the families.

    Oddly enough, the father of one of the former SEALs was on Sean Hannity’s show this afternoon, and he seemed to have a different opinion.

    Was it Charles Wood, father of Tyrone Wood?
    That man is angry & heartbroken.


  32. lobo91
    32 | November 15, 2012 6:28 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    And he claims to have explained everything to the families.

    Oddly enough, the father of one of the former SEALs was on Sean Hannity’s show this afternoon, and he seemed to have a different opinion.

    Was it Charles Wood, father of Tyrone Wood?
    That man is angry & heartbroken.

    I believe so.

    He’s probably just a racist.
    //


  33. 33 | November 15, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ RIX:
    Four or forty million, Obama doesn’t care about dead Americians. All that matters to him is his own personal power. To the extent that he cares about anything beyond himself, Obama is on the side of the terrorists. That’s why he tried to turn this into something about an anti-Mohammedan video. He saw an opportunity for pro-Mohammedan propaganda.


  34. RIX
    34 | November 15, 2012 6:33 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Maybe if his son looked looked Trayvon?


  35. 96cid
    35 | November 15, 2012 6:34 pm

    @ RIX:
    O hides behind skirts all the time. Michelle, Valerie, Susan etc.


  36. 36 | November 15, 2012 6:35 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    It’s considered “rich” unless you qualify for one of the following exceptions:
    Not white, not male, not Christian, not straight, not Capitalist, and/or a Union muckety-muck. Did I leave anyone out?


  37. lobo91
    37 | November 15, 2012 6:35 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Maybe if his son looked looked Trayvon?

    Or if he’d studied more in school, he wouldn’t have been stuck in the military, as the presumptive future SecDef would say.


  38. waldensianspirit
    38 | November 15, 2012 6:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Or if he’d studied more in school, he wouldn’t have been stuck in the military, as the presumptive future SecDef would say.

    Is that ever going to be a crying shame!

    And most likely get us into war


  39. RIX
    39 | November 15, 2012 6:36 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Four or forty million, Obama doesn’t care about dead Americians. All that matters to him is his own personal power. To the extent that he cares about anything beyond himself, Obama is on the side of the terrorists. That’s why he tried to turn this into something about an anti-Mohammedan video. He saw an opportunity for pro-Mohammedan propaganda.

    Right & right. Those men are just collateral damage &
    not important to his fabulousness.
    He does love him some Muzzies.


  40. RIX
    40 | November 15, 2012 6:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Maybe if his son looked looked Trayvon?

    Or if he’d studied more in school, he wouldn’t have been stuck in the military, as the presumptive future SecDef would say.

    These are nice people/


  41. RIX
    41 | November 15, 2012 6:38 pm

    See y’all later


  42. lobo91
    42 | November 15, 2012 6:40 pm

    House Dem: Why Can’t Benghazi Be BOTH Terror Attack and Mob Protest?

    Sherman slammed “unfair attacks” on U.S. Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice for pushing blame on the video.

    “She had to rely on the intelligence that was provided. I sat here while Colin Powell provided the intelligence that he had regarding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,” he said. “Ultimately, State Department personnel have to rely on the intelligence reports they’re given. And Susan Rice’s integrity, capacity and record are beyond question. There is no political reason for the administration to have characterized this attack one way or the other.”

    There was one significant difference between what Powell said and what Rice said, though: At the time Powell made those statements, the administration actually thought they were true.

    And as for the second part, the only reason for the administration to have characterized this attack as a spontaneous mob action is political. That way, they could claim that it was completely unpredictable, rather than the logical conclusion to a series of prior actions.


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    44 | November 15, 2012 6:49 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    If Every Food Stamp Recipient Voted For Obama, It Would Account For 75% Of His Total

    Evvabuddy in Cleveland got Obamaphone™! Keep Obama in Prezdent!


  44. 45 | November 15, 2012 6:56 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Indeed -- why wouldn’t they have sent someone from State, preferably her Thighness? Why in the world do you send out the U.N. Ambassador, who ostensibly had no role or knowledge of the events either before, simultaneous to or subsequent to this tragedy.

    And it WASN’T the best knowledge you had, you lying piece of shit. You knew at the time it wasn’t about the video -- but you and her Thighness made that stupid promotional commercial that you ran in the Muzzie Countries.

    The louder the Democrats yell, the more I think we have them cornered.


  45. 46 | November 15, 2012 6:59 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I can see it now…a new spy “thriller”: Обамафон!


  46. 47 | November 15, 2012 6:59 pm

    Ruh Roh…..from Fox News via Weasel Zippers:

    New reporting by the Wall Street Journal suggests that the Benghazi attack may have played a major role in General Petraeus’ resignation as director of the CIA. This report suggests that Petraeus may have been pushed out of the position because he tried to challenge the Obama administration’s timeline of the attack. According to the report, Petraeus wanted to come out and push harder in defense of the CIA and what it did in Benghazi, but was told not to.

    Former U.S. Navy Captain Chuck Nash joined America Live to comment on the report, saying, “There have been so many disclosures that all happened after the election to where it’s almost like a news dump on a Friday evening. It just raises suspicion.”

    Nash continued, “In Washington, there really aren’t coincidences. And so when you look at all of these things and go, ‘Well, that’s coincidence, that’s a coincidence,’ these coincidences are falling daily. This is very unusual, so that raises everyone’s suspicion and reduces the trust level so now everybody’s looking at everything.”


  47. 48 | November 15, 2012 7:00 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I am certain the “lying piece of shit” wasn’t directed to lobo91… 8)


  48. Guggi
    49 | November 15, 2012 7:04 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    This report suggests that Petraeus may have been pushed out of the position because he tried to challenge the Obama administration’s timeline of the attack. According to the report, Petraeus wanted to come out and push harder in defense of the CIA and what it did in Benghazi, but was told not to.

    This was my first guess.


  49. 50 | November 15, 2012 7:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Frankly, there’s nothing to suggest that Powell said wasn’t true. The left has long espoused the “Bush lied, people died” meme when it comes to WMD. However, subsequent intel -- and this was from the British and the Italians IIRC -- was that he indeed had them and shipped then in the dead of night to Syria. No one sent Powell out there to lie.

    And furthermore, the Democrats in the Senate believed it as well at the time. NO ONE LIED.

    This administration KNEW that the tale they were telling was as phoney as a $3 bill. And they booked her on those five morning shows -- they didn’t all call up and ask for Susan Rice. They figured it would just quietly go away and we wouldn’t be hearing about it after the election so it wouldn’t matter that Rice had gone out and lied like a cheap rug on September 16th.


  50. 51 | November 15, 2012 7:06 pm

    @ Macker:

    Oh hell no.


  51. Guggi
    52 | November 15, 2012 7:07 pm

    I think this is the link to the WSJ article

    In David Petraeus’s final days at the helm of the Central Intelligence Agency, his relations with chiefs of other U.S. agencies, including his boss, National Intelligence Director James Clapper, took a contentious turn.

    At issue was whether the CIA should break its silence about its role in Benghazi, Libya, to counter criticism that increasingly was being leveled at the agency and Mr. Petraeus, said senior officials involved in the discussions.

    Mr. Petraeus wanted his aides to push back hard and release their own timeline of the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi and a nearby CIA safe house, seeking to set the record straight and paint the CIA’s role in a more favorable light. Mr. Clapper and agencies including the Pentagon objected, but Mr. Petraeus told his aides to proceed, said the senior officials.

    By all accounts, the driving force behind Mr. Petraeus’s departure last Friday was the revelation about his extramarital affair with his biographer. But new details about Mr. Petraeus’s last days at the CIA show the extent to which the Benghazi attacks created a climate of interagency finger-pointing. That undercut the retired four-star general’s backing within the Obama administration as he struggled with the decision to resign.


  52. 53 | November 15, 2012 7:08 pm

    @ Guggi:

    My understanding is that Petraeus went to Libya and conducted his own investigation. I’m curious why he is testifying behind closed doors? Is it because Issa doesn’t want the media or the administration to get a chance to coerce him?


  53. yenta-fada
    54 | November 15, 2012 7:10 pm

    I’m impressed with the bullsh!t baffles brains methods that the financial wizards in government get away with. Why call it ‘money printing’ when you can say ‘quantitative easing’? Why say there is a ‘fiscal cliff’ when the debts of a government are increasingly impossible to EVER be paid back? The debts of sovereign nations are worthless in most cases. They pretend to pay you back with interest, but they only pay you back in newly minted devalued currencies.

    Such a deal. / Shell game, scamalamadingdong. I have a mad theory about why Clinton, Panetta, and various dignitaries always travel to far away places. They are scoping out real estate for the future.


  54. lobo91
    55 | November 15, 2012 7:12 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Guggi:

    My understanding is that Petraeus went to Libya and conducted his own investigation. I’m curious why he is testifying behind closed doors? Is it because Issa doesn’t want the media or the administration to get a chance to coerce him?

    He’s testifying behind closed doors because it’s going to involve classified information.

    Public hearings are nothing more than a dog and pony show.


  55. lobo91
    56 | November 15, 2012 7:13 pm

    Ugh. We just lost another F-22 in an accident in Florida. Pilot ejected safely.

    At this rate, they’ll have to restart the production line to replace the wrecks.


  56. Guggi
    57 | November 15, 2012 7:14 pm

    I’m watching an interesting phenomenon here in the media:

    sicnce the re-election of O. people are no longer interested in him and his politics.


  57. lobo91
    58 | November 15, 2012 7:19 pm

    F-22 crashes at Florida Air Force base


  58. yenta-fada
    59 | November 15, 2012 7:20 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    I’m watching an interesting phenomenon here in the media:
    sicnce the re-election of O. people are no longer interested in him and his politics.

    I guess they got what they wanted. That must have been the whole reason, and now they can just get on with their lives. It’s odd, but interesting. Watch them turn on Obozo if they don’t like the consequences.
    People. Ya can’t live with ‘em, and ya can’t live without ‘em. /


  59. 60 | November 15, 2012 7:21 pm

    @ Guggi:

    But don’t worry, he CARES about them. They’ll be getting a rude awakening in that quarter shortly when they go to fill up the car or buy a gallon of milk or a pound of hamburger.

    Speaking of hamburger, that reknowned constitutional scholar, Nazi Pelousy, whose cranium is certainly full of the stuff, has gone on record saying Obama should increase the debt ceiling with the stroke of a pen in accordance with his powers — when asked if Congressional approval will be required --

    “I would hope not,” Pelosi said. “I would hope that by now—well, me, I’m with the 11th Amendment, so.”

    “Is it the 11th Amendment?” she asked. “That—14th is it?”

    “Whatever it is, I’m with the Constitution of the United States,”

    That was a two spit-take moment right there.


  60. lobo91
    61 | November 15, 2012 7:25 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    She shouldn’t even be allowed to vote, much less serve in the government.


  61. 62 | November 15, 2012 7:30 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    At some point the goody gravy train is going to have to run out -- they don’t have enough of us working to pay for it -- even if they taxed the rich 100% they wouldn’t have it. And let’s not forget Barry Boo has removed the work requirement -- no doubt at the behest of his union buddies so that states, etc., will need to HIRE to fill the jobs from now on.


  62. 63 | November 15, 2012 7:32 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The only thing that gives me SOME sense of peace is that this addle-pated nitwit has a limo and driver and is therefore not driving on the Northern California roads I’m currently traveling on.


  63. lobo91
    64 | November 15, 2012 7:34 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    The only thing that gives me SOME sense of peace is that this addle-pated nitwit has a limo and driver and is therefore not driving on the Northern California roads I’m currently traveling on.

    There is that. I could certainly see her crashing into a crowd of pedestrians after confusing the gas and brake.


  64. 65 | November 15, 2012 7:34 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Such is the intelligence of the Botox Bimbo from Buggeryland!


  65. lobo91
    66 | November 15, 2012 7:35 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    It must be awful for her to have to spend some of her own millions to fly home on weekends now.

    Poor thing.


  66. lobo91
    67 | November 15, 2012 7:38 pm

    Jill Kelley Told A Reporter She Was At The White House In September

    Buried in this loaded Tampa Bay Times piece on Jill Kelley is another strange detail that has emerged about the socialite at the center of the David Petraeus scandal: She told a reporter she was at the White House in September.

    “Btw I was made the (honorary) Ambassador to US Central Command’s Coalition!” she told a Times reporter in a Sept. 28 email. “In addition to that, I was just recently appointed to be the Honorary Consulate General to South Korea! I’m in DC today — just left from breakfast at the White House. . . . I really hope to see you soon!

    The White House visitor logs contain no record of Kelley ever coming through the doors. But if what Kelley says is accurate, it would prompt another slew of questions, as well as reinforce the existing questions about why she was named an Honorary Consulate General.


  67. Guggi
    68 | November 15, 2012 7:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    She shouldn’t even be allowed to vote, much less serve in the government.

    :-)


  68. 69 | November 15, 2012 7:50 pm

    Mark Levin has pointed out, as Chief of Staff to Ed Meese during the Reagan Administration that there is NO WAY Obama would not have known that Petreaus was being investigated. He would have had to be told, especially since it was believed that he was “leaking” secrets, so that he would not in turn give Petreaus information that would be leaked. Libturds are citing the Mukasey Memo as proof that the FBI would not have been able to inform Obama about the Petraeus investigation.

    On the contrary, the Mukasey Memo only states that the FBI cannot share the particulars of the investigation -- they are under no prohibition to witthold information that an investigation exists -- indeed, it would be in the national interest to advise the President (even THIS one) of the existence of the investigation, lest he share sensitive information with a “leaker.”

    Not that leaking has ever been a problem with Obozo anyway…..


  69. 70 | November 15, 2012 7:54 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’m sure Nazi has her own account with NetJet -- mix with her unwashed constituents? Oh hell no.


  70. lobo91
    71 | November 15, 2012 7:55 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Anyone who thinks that the Attorney General wouldn’t tell the President that a top official is under investigation is just an idiot.


  71. Guggi
    72 | November 15, 2012 7:57 pm

    Nancy baby reminds on the MPs of the EU (from all parties) who were interviewed and couldn’t tell what the EU flag means, couldn’t tell what is in the treaty of Lisbon they were just voting for AND couldn’t tell how many countries are members in the EU.


  72. lobo91
    73 | November 15, 2012 8:00 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I’m sure Nazi has her own account with NetJet — mix with her unwashed constituents? Oh hell no.

    How in the hell did that moron ever manage to become so powerful in the first place?

    Does she have secret videotapes of the entire Democratic Party?


  73. brookly red
    74 | November 15, 2012 8:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Anyone who thinks that the Attorney General wouldn’t tell the President that a top official is under investigation is just an idiot.

    I would not be surprised if the president ordered the investigation.


  74. lobo91
    75 | November 15, 2012 8:06 pm

    @ brookly red:

    It wouldn’t matter if it was the Postmaster General that was under investigation. The Attorney General would tell the President.


  75. brookly red
    76 | November 15, 2012 8:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    It wouldn’t matter if it was the Postmaster General that was under investigation. The Attorney General would tell the President.

    yes of course, I am just saying he probably did not have to be told.


  76. Lily
    77 | November 15, 2012 8:31 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The Lies Of The Left

    One of the secrets of Barack Obama’s success is his ability to say things that will sound both plausible and inspiring to uninformed people, even when they sound ridiculous to people who know the facts. Apparently he believes the former outnumber the latter, and the election results suggest that he may be right.

    He is right. Have anyone of you talked to someone who voted for obama?
    They know next to nothing about Benghazi (that would be like blaming George Bush for 9/11) They voted for obama because he was ACTUALLY the most centrist of the two, they also voted for obama because of obamacare, AND the reason that didn’t vote for Romney because Romney was going to do something about obamacare…they agree that obamacare needs to be tweaked and they have full faith that it will be done. They were totally clueless concerning obama not to mention calling obama a socialist was getting annoying and bet you dollars to donuts that whatever bad happens in the next 4 years they are going to blame the Republicans because they don’t want to work with obama…nevermind the fact that it is obama who doesn’t want to work with the Republicans. It was bizarre. This person is not stupid but actually believed that anything the Republicans said was PROPAGANDA. Unreal. Hook, line and sinker they believed the MSM.


  77. gibsonz
    78 | November 15, 2012 8:31 pm

    Oh how strongly the house of cards stands when the ‘joker’ is the pillar of the deck…four more years indeed! The two of spades and it`s partners the three of diamonds and the four of clubs demand their ‘fair share’…face cards beware, no time for aces in a world of asses!


  78. brookly red
    79 | November 15, 2012 8:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The Lies Of The Left

    One of the secrets of Barack Obama’s success is his ability to say things that will sound both plausible and inspiring to uninformed people, even when they sound ridiculous to people who know the facts. Apparently he believes the former outnumber the latter, and the election results suggest that he may be right.

    He is right. Have anyone of you talked to someone who voted for obama?
    They know next to nothing about Benghazi (that would be like blaming George Bush for 9/11) They voted for obama because he was ACTUALLY the most centrist of the two, they also voted for obama because of obamacare, AND the reason that didn’t vote for Romney because Romney was going to do something about obamacare…they agree that obamacare needs to be tweaked and they have full faith that it will be done. They were totally clueless concerning obama not to mention calling obama a socialist was getting annoying and bet you dollars to donuts that whatever bad happens in the next 4 years they are going to blame the Republicans because they don’t want to work with obama…nevermind the fact that it is obama who doesn’t want to work with the Republicans. It was bizarre. This person is not stupid but actually believed that anything the Republicans said was PROPAGANDA. Unreal. Hook, line and sinker they believed the MSM.

    maybe you want to re-think that…


  79. lobo91
    80 | November 15, 2012 8:40 pm

    @ Lily:

    Have anyone of you talked to someone who voted for obama?

    Fortunately, one of the advantages of living in Colorado Springs is that we don’t allow those people here.
    //


  80. 81 | November 15, 2012 8:49 pm

    One is made up of large Urban areas that will always vote for allowing the government to take on an ever growing role as the ultimate authority and provider of everything from A to Z. The other America is the flyover country…

    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?


  81. Lily
    82 | November 15, 2012 8:50 pm

    @ brookly red:
    @ lobo91:

    This person lives in Arizona….I honestly couldn’t believe what they were saying. They were annoyed at all the bombardment of the negative things said about obama..but if Jindal would have ran they would have voted for him. Made no sense.


  82. 96cid
    83 | November 15, 2012 8:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Have anyone of you talked to someone who voted for obama?
    Fortunately, one of the advantages of living in Colorado Springs is that we don’t allow those people here.
    //

    The Springs is a really nice town. I was stationed at Carson for a few months in 1967. Have been back there a few times since too, lastly in 2005 on my bike headed west by CO 115 to US 50W.


  83. lobo91
    84 | November 15, 2012 8:50 pm

    @ Rancher:

    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?

    Those of us who have guns?


  84. Lily
    85 | November 15, 2012 8:51 pm

    @ brookly red:

    No they aren’t stupid..but I didn’t say they had common sense now did I? ;)


  85. lobo91
    86 | November 15, 2012 8:51 pm

    @ Lily:

    They have some crazy people in Arizona, too.

    I think they confine them to Tucson.


  86. Lily
    87 | November 15, 2012 8:53 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You hit the target on that one. Bulls-eye.


  87. lobo91
    88 | November 15, 2012 8:53 pm

    @ 96cid:

    The Springs is a really nice town. I was stationed at Carson for a few months in 1967.

    It’s a little bigger now. :)

    My mom thought it was like Tombstone or something, apparently.


  88. Lily
    89 | November 15, 2012 8:53 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Or a yard.


  89. brookly red
    90 | November 15, 2012 8:54 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rancher:

    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?

    Those of us who have guns?

    basically…


  90. lobo91
    91 | November 15, 2012 8:55 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    You hit the target on that one. Bulls-eye.


  91. 96cid
    92 | November 15, 2012 8:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ 96cid:
    The Springs is a really nice town. I was stationed at Carson for a few months in 1967.
    It’s a little bigger now.
    My mom thought it was like Tombstone or something, apparently.

    Yes I know. Been back there several times.


  92. lobo91
    93 | November 15, 2012 8:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Or a yard.

    Nothing will grow in my yard but weeds.


  93. brookly red
    94 | November 15, 2012 8:56 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?

    liberals can be quite tasty… but you gotta cook em well all kinds of diseases you know.


  94. darkwords
    95 | November 15, 2012 8:58 pm

    ‘What a bastard!’ Taliban mock Petraeus’ downfall… and say he would be stoned to death in Afghanistan David Petraeus might ask himself which is worse? His behavior or a Florida pastor burning a Koran?


  95. lobo91
    96 | November 15, 2012 8:59 pm

    PETA apparently has a new offensive billboard out for Thanksgiving, aimed at kids.

    It says “If you wouldn’t eat your dog, why would you eat a turkey?”

    Apparently, the PETA people are stupid. We eat turkeys because they’re food. You can tell that by the fact that they sell them in the grocery store, unlike dogs.


  96. Lily
    97 | November 15, 2012 8:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Rancher wrote:

    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?

    liberals can be quite tasty… but you gotta cook em well all kinds of diseases you know.

    I’d rather eat grass than turn into a cannibal. Yikes! :Shock:


  97. lobo91
    98 | November 15, 2012 9:00 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    ‘What a bastard!’ Taliban mock Petraeus’ downfall… and say he would be stoned to death in Afghanistan David Petraeus might ask himself which is worse? His behavior or a Florida pastor burning a Koran?

    Of course, that isn’t true.

    Paula Broadwell would be stoned to death in Afghanistan.


  98. Lily
    99 | November 15, 2012 9:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    PETA apparently has a new offensive billboard out for Thanksgiving, aimed at kids.

    It says “If you wouldn’t eat your dog, why would you eat a turkey?”

    Apparently, the PETA people are stupid. We eat turkeys because they’re food. You can tell that by the fact that they sell them in the grocery store, unlike dogs.

    That is ridiculous now isn’t it? Good heavens all these nut jobs are coming out of the wood-work. Well more of them. Peta thinks we don’t need meat…uh yeah we do. We might not need it 3 times a day ..but we do need protein.


  99. brookly red
    100 | November 15, 2012 9:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Rancher wrote:

    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?

    liberals can be quite tasty… but you gotta cook em well all kinds of diseases you know.

    I’d rather eat grass than turn into a cannibal. Yikes! :Shock:

    and if you give them a free cell phone they will climb into the pot and help you chop the carrots :)


  100. Lily
    101 | November 15, 2012 9:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Or a yard.

    Nothing will grow in my yard but weeds.

    Uh yeah ….stock up on can goods?


  101. citizen_q
    102 | November 15, 2012 9:04 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Did you hear about LA resolving that Mondays are now Meatless Mondays?

    No force of law, yet, just a suggestion that is good for mother earth. /


  102. Lily
    103 | November 15, 2012 9:04 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Well they are into veggies…so yeah they will chop up the carrots. :lol:


  103. lobo91
    104 | November 15, 2012 9:04 pm

    @ Lily:

    Peta thinks we don’t need meat…uh yeah we do. We might not need it 3 times a day ..but we do need protein.

    What we don’t need is PETA.

    Leia says turkey is tasty, BTW.


  104. lobo91
    105 | November 15, 2012 9:05 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Well they are into veggies…so yeah they will chop up the carrots.

    Only if they’re organic.


  105. brookly red
    106 | November 15, 2012 9:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    ‘What a bastard!’ Taliban mock Petraeus’ downfall… and say he would be stoned to death in Afghanistan David Petraeus might ask himself which is worse? His behavior or a Florida pastor burning a Koran?

    Of course, that isn’t true.

    Paula Broadwell would be stoned to death in Afghanistan.

    /are you suggesting that we move the trial?


  106. lobo91
    107 | November 15, 2012 9:06 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Did you hear about LA resolving that Mondays are now Meatless Mondays?

    No force of law, yet, just a suggestion that is good for mother earth. /

    Everyone in LA starving to death would be better.


  107. Lily
    108 | November 15, 2012 9:06 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Did you hear about LA resolving that Mondays are now Meatless Mondays?

    No force of law, yet, just a suggestion that is good for mother earth. /

    Heard about that. Insanity. Just a suggestion is it? When will they pass a law prohibiting resturants and grocery stores from selling meat on Mondays? That’s the next step. I say buy meat ahead of time and eat it on Mondays. I’ll decide what to eat and what not to eat.


  108. lobo91
    109 | November 15, 2012 9:07 pm

    @ brookly red:

    are you suggesting that we move the trial?

    No, I’m suggesting that the Taliban are hypocrites.

    They don’t stone men for adultery. The men usually claim that the woman put a spell on them.


  109. Da_Beerfreak
    110 | November 15, 2012 9:08 pm

    “organic” is shorthand for over priced and grown in shit… :cool:


  110. Lily
    111 | November 15, 2012 9:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    ‘What a bastard!’ Taliban mock Petraeus’ downfall… and say he would be stoned to death in Afghanistan David Petraeus might ask himself which is worse? His behavior or a Florida pastor burning a Koran?

    Of course, that isn’t true.

    Paula Broadwell would be stoned to death in Afghanistan.

    Yep that is who would get stoned in Afghanistan…the man gets a pass.


  111. lobo91
    112 | November 15, 2012 9:08 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    “organic” is shorthand for over priced and grown in shit…

    And full of bugs.


  112. brookly red
    113 | November 15, 2012 9:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Heard about that. Insanity. Just a suggestion is it? When will they pass a law prohibiting resturants and grocery stores from selling meat on Mondays? That’s the next step. I say buy meat ahead of time and eat it on Mondays. I’ll decide what to eat and what not to eat.

    meat will always be available to party members comrade


  113. coldwarrior
    114 | November 15, 2012 9:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Peta thinks we don’t need meat…uh yeah we do. We might not need it 3 times a day ..but we do need protein.

    speak for yourself.

    :lol:


  114. Lily
    115 | November 15, 2012 9:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Well they are into veggies…so yeah they will chop up the carrots.

    Only if they’re organic.

    True. They are truly idiots. How in the hell did mankind survive back in the day with these fools ideas? Have they ever even entertained the thought? I guess they don’t think much. They think they can control their own destiny and live forever.


  115. coldwarrior
    116 | November 15, 2012 9:11 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    liberals can be quite tasty… but you gotta cook em well all kinds of diseases you know.

    they cook up like veal. i like the organic ones. they are really yummy.


  116. brookly red
    117 | November 15, 2012 9:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They don’t stone men for adultery. The men usually claim that the woman put a spell on them.

    /damn! I hate when that happens :)


  117. coldwarrior
    118 | November 15, 2012 9:12 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    meat will always be available to party members comrade

    potato IS meat.

    off to gulag you go!


  118. Lily
    119 | November 15, 2012 9:12 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Peta thinks we don’t need meat…uh yeah we do. We might not need it 3 times a day ..but we do need protein.

    speak for yourself.

    Well men do tend to go for more meat. Hey I just ate a wonderful Bar-b-que sandwich. Yum.


  119. Lily
    120 | November 15, 2012 9:15 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I could live on potatoes they are so versatile. I love potatoes.


  120. citizen_q
    121 | November 15, 2012 9:17 pm

    @ Lily:
    I am contrary and can have a streak of spitefulness. I would make it a point of eating meat on Monday.

    I would also point out Thomas Eakins (hopefully I remember the author’s name) in his boot the Palaeolithic Prescription and the later Palo Diet books by Loren Corden, that lean meat is a staple basic food for humans and part of a healthy diet.


  121. Lily
    122 | November 15, 2012 9:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Heard about that. Insanity. Just a suggestion is it? When will they pass a law prohibiting resturants and grocery stores from selling meat on Mondays? That’s the next step. I say buy meat ahead of time and eat it on Mondays. I’ll decide what to eat and what not to eat.

    meat will always be available to party members comrade

    Or people who live near the gulf…let’s see crabs, shrimp, fish and gator if that is your taste. The south knows how to get on with food. Beans and rice are a staple down here.


  122. darkwords
    123 | November 15, 2012 9:18 pm

    @ 121 citizen_q: i eat a paleo diet and feel a lot healthier. i think i will send LA pols some cheeseburger wrappers.


  123. Lily
    124 | November 15, 2012 9:18 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I am contrary and can have a streak of spitefulness. I would make it a point of eating meat on Monday.

    I would also point out Thomas Eakins (hopefully I remember the author’s name) in his boot the Palaeolithic Prescription and the later Palo Diet books by Loren Corden, that lean meat is a staple basic food for humans and part of a healthy diet.

    I’d make damn sure to eat it on Mondays.


  124. coldwarrior
    125 | November 15, 2012 9:20 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I could live on potatoes they are so versatile. I love potatoes.

    good comrade!

    off to gulag with you as well.


  125. Lily
    126 | November 15, 2012 9:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’m still pissed about the light-bulbs…whenever I see one of those swirly things I cuss just as a matter of principal.


  126. citizen_q
    127 | November 15, 2012 9:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    they cook up like veal. i like the organic ones. they are really yummy.

    You just have to understand that they are filthier they your normal food and require extra washing.


  127. Lily
    128 | November 15, 2012 9:21 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    8-)

    I eat meat but not a lot of it…always been that way.


  128. lobo91
    129 | November 15, 2012 9:22 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’d make damn sure to eat it on Mondays.

    I’d make brisket every Monday if I lived there.


  129. coldwarrior
    130 | November 15, 2012 9:22 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    they cook up like veal. i like the organic ones. they are really yummy.
    You just have to understand that they are filthier they your normal food and require extra washing.

    like any freshly killed game, some precautions are necessary when killing, filed dressing, and prepping organic free-range liberals


  130. citizen_q
    131 | November 15, 2012 9:23 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 121 citizen_q: i eat a paleo diet and feel a lot healthier. i think i will send LA pols some cheeseburger wrappers.

    Venison, with a Bambi DVD. /


  131. Lily
    132 | November 15, 2012 9:23 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    They don’t stone men for adultery. The men usually claim that the woman put a spell on them.

    /damn! I hate when that happens

    Women put spells on you? You need to get that fixed. 8-)


  132. Lily
    133 | November 15, 2012 9:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I’d make damn sure to eat it on Mondays.

    I’d make brisket every Monday if I lived there.

    Ah yes…make sure you cook it outside too…so it wiffs through the neighborhood.


  133. 134 | November 15, 2012 9:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I’d make damn sure to eat it on Mondays.

    I’d make brisket every Monday if I lived there.

    What about Liquid SPAM®?


  134. Lily
    135 | November 15, 2012 9:27 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    I eat meat but not a lot of it…always been that way.

    Bacon I can never resist….nor some good ribs or fried chicken. I eat meat but love veggies too. ;)


  135. lobo91
    136 | November 15, 2012 9:28 pm

    @ Lily:

    Ah yes…make sure you cook it outside too…so it wiffs through the neighborhood.

    How else could you cook it?


  136. brookly red
    137 | November 15, 2012 9:29 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Or people who live near the gulf…let’s see crabs, shrimp, fish and gator if that is your taste. The south knows how to get on with food. Beans and rice are a staple down here.

    LOL I had a great brunch a few days back… poached eggs, fried oysters, pickle chips & holendase sauce on a brioche. I called it a yuppie po boy :)


  137. citizen_q
    138 | November 15, 2012 9:29 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Women put spells on you?

    Credence Clear Water Revival?


  138. Lily
    139 | November 15, 2012 9:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Ah yes…make sure you cook it outside too…so it wiffs through the neighborhood.

    How else could you cook it?

    You have a point there. ;)


  139. Lily
    140 | November 15, 2012 9:31 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Indeed!


  140. brookly red
    141 | November 15, 2012 9:32 pm

    Macker wrote:

    What about Liquid SPAM®?

    I think I saw them at CBGB once…


  141. brookly red
    142 | November 15, 2012 9:33 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Women put spells on you? You need to get that fixed.

    uhhhh, why?


  142. Lily
    143 | November 15, 2012 9:34 pm

    @ brookly red:

    8-) One day one of those spells are going to get you! ;)


  143. huckfunn
    144 | November 15, 2012 9:35 pm

    Congressmen King (R-NY) and Hecht (R-NV) were just on Hannity describing the questions and testimony of Clapper (Director of National Intelligence) and Mike Morell (Acting Director of the CIA). Both Congressmen said that it was the CIA that gave the initial talking points to the WH and those talking points stressed that the Benghazi attack was most likely a terrorist attack. However, Clapper and Morell said that they didn’t know who at the WH changed the talking points (later given to Susan Rice) from a terrorist motive to a stupid video motive. I don’t know about the Morell guy, but Clapper is dumb as a stump. Gregg Gutfeld made a good point on The Five today. He said the regime is trying to reverse engineer what happened in Benghazi. I think Gut’s exactly right.


  144. CynicalConservative
    145 | November 15, 2012 9:35 pm

    @ Lily:
    None allowed in my house.

    /galt


  145. Lily
    146 | November 15, 2012 9:35 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Well down here there is voodoo, hoodoo, juju, mojo…so take your pick. 8-)


  146. 147 | November 15, 2012 9:37 pm

    I’ve seen someone here suggest that the Republican Party counter Obama by proposing a tax increase on incomes over $1million, plus proposing an ‘entertainment tax’. What is an ‘entertainment tax’? A tax on things like movies & football tickets?


  147. Lily
    148 | November 15, 2012 9:37 pm

    @ CynicalConservative:

    Hubby bought some and I cussed him out just for the principal!
    /there in my house and I look at him like *what the hell are you doing with those swirly things in my house?* He ignores me.


  148. brookly red
    149 | November 15, 2012 9:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    One day one of those spells are going to get you!

    and the jury will please note that the witness has admitted that women do cast spells… I have no further questions.


  149. Lily
    150 | November 15, 2012 9:38 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    Yeah I think that is what they meant. It might backfire though.


  150. lobo91
    151 | November 15, 2012 9:39 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I don’t know about the Morell guy, but Clapper is dumb as a stump.

    Best known for saying that the Muslim Brotherhood are a “mostly secular” organization.


  151. citizen_q
    152 | November 15, 2012 9:39 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Our grabbermint is coming off like a bad SNL skit. Just plain embarrassing.


  152. Lily
    153 | November 15, 2012 9:39 pm

    @ brookly red:

    :lol: :lol: :lol: It’s called perfume. 8-)


  153. 154 | November 15, 2012 9:42 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    A tax on things like movies & football tickets?

    Yes the Entertainment industry and most athletes support Obama. They want higher taxes, give it to them!


  154. huckfunn
    155 | November 15, 2012 9:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    I don’t know about the Morell guy, but Clapper is dumb as a stump.

    Best known for saying that the Muslim Brotherhood are a “mostly secular” organization.

    During an interview with Diane Sawyer in 2010 (live no less), she asked Clapper about the arrest 2 days earlier of a dozen terrorists in the UK. He didn’t have a clue as to what she was talking about. The Clapper Flap.


  155. citizen_q
    156 | November 15, 2012 9:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I’m still pissed about the light-bulbs…whenever I see one of those swirly things I cuss just as a matter of principal.

    I despise them. I have to fight the urge to break them creating a small toxic spills to make a point. Used to be a broken light bulb was a minor mess more less easily cleaned up.


  156. Lily
    157 | November 15, 2012 9:44 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I hate them too.


  157. brookly red
    158 | November 15, 2012 9:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ mfhorn:

    A tax on things like movies & football tickets?

    Yes the Entertainment industry and most athletes support Obama. They want higher taxes, give it to them!

    and somewhere out there Elliot Spritzer clutches his heart with horror :)


  158. citizen_q
    159 | November 15, 2012 9:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    I don’t know about the Morell guy, but Clapper is dumb as a stump.
    Best known for saying that the Muslim Brotherhood are a “mostly secular” organization.

    I remember that. Did not clapper also refer to Jerusalem as al-kuds? It is distresssing to hear our leadership so obviously wrong, and speaking in terms of the enemy.


  159. huckfunn
    160 | November 15, 2012 9:48 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Our grabbermint is coming off like a bad SNL skit. Just plain embarrassing.

    “National Intelligence” is the punchline. :lol:


  160. 161 | November 15, 2012 9:49 pm

    @ brookly red:

    :lol: That guy is still on TV.


  161. lobo91
    162 | November 15, 2012 9:50 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I remember that. Did not clapper also refer to Jerusalem as al-kuds? It is distresssing to hear our leadership so obviously wrong, and speaking in terms of the enemy.

    Sure did


  162. brookly red
    163 | November 15, 2012 9:50 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    “National Intelligence” is the punchline.

    I’ll take Joe Biden for 200 Alex.


  163. 164 | November 15, 2012 9:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Rancher:
    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?
    Those of us who have guns?

    basically…

    AND the people who know where the good fishing spots are! ;)

    brookly red wrote:

    Rancher wrote:
    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?
    liberals can be quite tasty… but you gotta cook em well all kinds of diseases you know.

    Sorry, no, I can’t get past the smell. Or the looks. El Gato and La Gata won’t allow ‘em in the house. I’d rather do as they do and dine on rats & mice if it came to that.


  164. brookly red
    165 | November 15, 2012 9:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    That guy is still on TV.

    yet another reason I don’t do TV


  165. huckfunn
    166 | November 15, 2012 9:54 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    I remember that. Did not clapper also refer to Jerusalem as al-kuds? It is distresssing to hear our leadership so obviously wrong, and speaking in terms of the enemy.

    @ lobo91:
    That was John Brennan, another “intelligence” dope.


  166. 167 | November 15, 2012 9:54 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ huckfunn:
    I don’t know about the Morell guy, but Clapper is dumb as a stump.
    Best known for saying that the Muslim Brotherhood are a “mostly secular” organization.

    I remember that. Did not clapper also refer to Jerusalem as al-kuds? It is distresssing to hear our leadership so obviously wrong, and speaking in terms of the enemy.

    When I hear “Clapper” I think of those “Sold Only On TV” gizmos that let you turn lights on and off by clapping your hands. I’d rather just get up and hit the switch, thankyouverymuch.


  167. brookly red
    168 | November 15, 2012 9:55 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Rancher:
    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?
    Those of us who have guns?

    basically…

    AND the people who know where the good fishing spots are!

    brookly red wrote:

    Rancher wrote:
    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?
    liberals can be quite tasty… but you gotta cook em well all kinds of diseases you know.

    Sorry, no, I can’t get past the smell. Or the looks. El Gato and La Gata won’t allow ‘em in the house. I’d rather do as they do and dine on rats & mice if it came to that.

    spaghetti and rat balls again?


  168. huckfunn
    169 | November 15, 2012 9:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    “National Intelligence” is the punchline.

    I’ll take Joe Biden for 200 Alex.

    Ding ding ding… We have a winnah!


  169. Lily
    170 | November 15, 2012 9:55 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I do but just certain shows without the commericals…I have to have some jell time. Everything is so serious…sometimes I have to take a break.


  170. 171 | November 15, 2012 9:56 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    I remember that. Did not clapper also refer to Jerusalem as al-kuds? It is distresssing to hear our leadership so obviously wrong, and speaking in terms of the enemy.
    @ lobo91:
    That was John Brennan, another “intelligence” dope.

    Sheesh, we sure pick some winners.

    It’s time to ditch the State Dept AND the CIA, and put all intelligence back under the military, where it belongs. As far as diplomacy, just tell everybody that if they mess with us they get their asses kicked, and let it go at that.


  171. huckfunn
    172 | November 15, 2012 9:57 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    When I hear “Clapper” I think of those “Sold Only On TV” gizmos that let you turn lights on and off by clapping your hands. I’d rather just get up and hit the switch, thankyouverymuch.

    I think of that solid iron ball that makes a bell go “ding-dong”.


  172. Lily
    173 | November 15, 2012 9:58 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Yes there really are idiots in D.C. Virginia.
    /a little bit of holiday theme. 8-)


  173. 174 | November 15, 2012 9:59 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I think I’ll run that by my Congresscritters & see what they say.

    A day or two after the election, I wrote to suggest that Paul Ryan be named as Speaker of the House. Haven’t heard back from my Rep yet on that.


  174. citizen_q
    175 | November 15, 2012 10:00 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Thanks!

    Could they both have said it?

    Seems clapper is quite at home with the enemies narrative.


  175. huckfunn
    176 | November 15, 2012 10:00 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    As far as diplomacy, just tell everybody that if they mess with us they get their asses kicked, and let it go at that.

    The Israelis, God bless ‘em, be ‘splainin’ that to the Hamassholes as we speak.


  176. brookly red
    177 | November 15, 2012 10:00 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    I remember that. Did not clapper also refer to Jerusalem as al-kuds? It is distresssing to hear our leadership so obviously wrong, and speaking in terms of the enemy.

    Oh btw the scum on 42nd & 2nd protesting the Israeli embassy was chanting “today Jerusalem tomorrow New York” and “Obama will burn you” as I left the office this evening… juss saying


  177. Lily
    178 | November 15, 2012 10:00 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Dreaming. ;)


  178. lobo91
    179 | November 15, 2012 10:01 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Hard to keep track of all the idiots in this administration.


  179. huckfunn
    180 | November 15, 2012 10:02 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Thanks!

    Could they both have said it?

    Seems clapper is quite at home with the enemies narrative.

    Brennan was the guy who said it, but I’m sure Ding-Dong would agree.


  180. huckfunn
    181 | November 15, 2012 10:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Hard to keep track of all the idiots in this administration.

    Now that’s a fact.


  181. lobo91
    182 | November 15, 2012 10:04 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Hard to keep track of all the idiots in this administration.

    Now that’s a fact.

    Someone should print a program.


  182. Lily
    183 | November 15, 2012 10:04 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    I remember that. Did not clapper also refer to Jerusalem as al-kuds? It is distresssing to hear our leadership so obviously wrong, and speaking in terms of the enemy.

    Oh btw the scum on 42nd & 2nd protesting the Israeli embassy was chanting “today Jerusalem tomorrow New York” and “Obama will burn you” as I left the office this evening… juss saying

    WOW since obama has been re-elected What a Wonderful World we live in!
    ///////////////////////


  183. huckfunn
    184 | November 15, 2012 10:05 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ 1389AD:

    Dreaming.


  184. citizen_q
    185 | November 15, 2012 10:05 pm

    @ brookly red:
    W0w! I salute your self-control.


  185. citizen_q
    186 | November 15, 2012 10:06 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Yep, what Lobo91 said.


  186. Lily
    187 | November 15, 2012 10:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Hard to keep track of all the idiots in this administration.

    Too many to count…let’s not forget the idiots who voted them back in. I say it’s like the flu and catchy. Turns your brain to mush.


  187. citizen_q
    188 | November 15, 2012 10:07 pm

    Good night all.


  188. lobo91
    189 | November 15, 2012 10:07 pm

    @ Lily:

    WOW since obama has been re-elected What a Wonderful World we live in!

    This is my theme song for the Obamabots:


  189. Lily
    190 | November 15, 2012 10:07 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I love that one! ;)


  190. Lily
    191 | November 15, 2012 10:09 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Oh another good one lobo…yeah they will not stop believing not one bit. Stuck on idiot.


  191. huckfunn
    192 | November 15, 2012 10:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Hard to keep track of all the idiots in this administration.

    Now that’s a fact.

    Someone should print a program.

    OK, here it is. ALL OF THEM! Like they say at Staples, “That was easy”. But, wait. Everything will improve as soon as we have John Fraud Kerry as SecDef. // :roll: //


  192. 193 | November 15, 2012 10:09 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Rancher:
    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?
    Those of us who have guns?
    basically…
    AND the people who know where the good fishing spots are!
    brookly red wrote:
    Rancher wrote:
    When it all comes crashing down who will have food to eat?
    liberals can be quite tasty… but you gotta cook em well all kinds of diseases you know.
    Sorry, no, I can’t get past the smell. Or the looks. El Gato and La Gata won’t allow ‘em in the house. I’d rather do as they do and dine on rats & mice if it came to that.

    spaghetti and rat balls again?

    I have never tried eating rats or mice, but I understand that people in certain parts of the world consider them delicacies.

    http://people.bridgewater.edu/~mtembo/menu/food/mice.shtml

    (comments at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVD1JeMR5HA)


  193. brookly red
    194 | November 15, 2012 10:10 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    W0w! I salute your self-control.

    what was I supposed to do? all I can do is put it out there that the jihad political machine clearly sees Obama as a friend.


  194. lobo91
    195 | November 15, 2012 10:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Oh another good one lobo…yeah they will not stop believing not one bit. Stuck on idiot.

    I just enjoy seeing Tom Cruise channeling Axl Rose :)


  195. Lily
    196 | November 15, 2012 10:13 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Nite c-q! Sweet dreams!


  196. Lily
    197 | November 15, 2012 10:14 pm

    @ lobo91:

    LOL!!!!
    /hey we have to laugh!!!!


  197. huckfunn
    198 | November 15, 2012 10:14 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    I love that one!

    When was the last time you heard this?


  198. Lily
    199 | November 15, 2012 10:16 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Take it easy huck! But yeah all of them are.


  199. lobo91
    200 | November 15, 2012 10:17 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    LOL!!!!
    /hey we have to laugh!!!!

    It’s actually a surprisingly entertaining movie.

    Alec Baldwin wasn’t very good, though. The monkey is a better actor.


  200. Lily
    201 | November 15, 2012 10:17 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Oh WOW! Oldie but goodie!!! ;)


  201. Lily
    202 | November 15, 2012 10:19 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I enjoy a good movie here and there and even some B-movies..just no anti-American ones. They help me relax….. ;)


  202. lobo91
    203 | November 15, 2012 10:21 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I enjoy a good movie here and there and even some B-movies..just no anti-American ones. They help me relax…..

    If you haven’t seen it, you’ll enjoy the music, anyway.


  203. Lily
    204 | November 15, 2012 10:21 pm

    Speaking of Sweet Dreams….


  204. Lily
    205 | November 15, 2012 10:22 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Haven’t seen it but will put it on my list. Thanks for the heads up! ;)


  205. lobo91
    206 | November 15, 2012 10:24 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Haven’t seen it but will put it on my list. Thanks for the heads up!

    All the songs are done by the actual cast, which is interesting. Everyone knew that Julianne Hough can sing, but Tom Cruise was a surprise.


  206. Lily
    207 | November 15, 2012 10:25 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Never would have thought Tom Cruise could sing at all!


  207. Lily
    208 | November 15, 2012 10:26 pm

    Everyone left us lobo….I have a way of clearing a room. :(


  208. lobo91
    209 | November 15, 2012 10:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Never would have thought Tom Cruise could sing at all!

    He makes a very convincing Axl Rose clone.


  209. lobo91
    210 | November 15, 2012 10:28 pm

    @ Lily:

    He does a decent Jon Bon Jovi, too:


  210. lobo91
    211 | November 15, 2012 10:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Everyone left us lobo….I have a way of clearing a room.

    Who needs ‘em?


  211. brookly red
    212 | November 15, 2012 10:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Everyone left us lobo….I have a way of clearing a room.

    not so much


  212. 213 | November 15, 2012 10:41 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    I wrote mine.


  213. 214 | November 15, 2012 10:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Everyone left us lobo….I have a way of clearing a room.

    Check your garter, the 1911 is showing just a mite.


  214. CynicalConservative
    215 | November 15, 2012 10:51 pm

    @ JeremyR:
    Hmmm, that may be more likely to attract a crowd with this group vs. clearing the room… just sayin.

    /galt


  215. 216 | November 15, 2012 10:57 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    When I hear “Clapper” I think of those “Sold Only On TV” gizmos that let you turn lights on and off by clapping your hands. I’d rather just get up and hit the switch, thankyouverymuch.
    I think of that solid iron ball that makes a bell go “ding-dong”.

    That too.

    huckfunn wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    As far as diplomacy, just tell everybody that if they mess with us they get their asses kicked, and let it go at that.
    The Israelis, God bless ‘em, be ‘splainin’ that to the Hamassholes as we speak.

    Using the only language that they are capable of understanding -- and I don’t mean Arabic!


  216. 217 | November 15, 2012 11:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Everyone left us lobo….I have a way of clearing a room.
    Who needs ‘em?

    Bad connectivity. Also my husband is on my case to finish something I was working on.


  217. Lily
    218 | November 15, 2012 11:08 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Not bad at all! Tom did good on that song!


  218. Lily
    219 | November 15, 2012 11:08 pm

    @ JeremyR:

    LOL!


  219. Lily
    220 | November 15, 2012 11:09 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Ah there is still life to the thread. ;)


  220. Lily
    221 | November 15, 2012 11:10 pm

    @ lobo91:

    8-)


  221. Calo
    222 | November 15, 2012 11:11 pm

    @ Lily:
    And, let there be life.

    Or, whatever this thread is now devolving into…


  222. Lily
    223 | November 15, 2012 11:13 pm

    @ Calo:

    Hey {{{Calo}}}!!!! :)

    This song made me think of you for some reason.


  223. lobo91
    224 | November 15, 2012 11:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Not bad at all! Tom did good on that song!

    If you rent that movie, see if you can find the Extended Cut. It has at least one whole scene that was cut from the theatrical version, which is a duet of Rock You Like a Hurricane by Tom Cruise and Julianne Hough.

    Hmm…apparently, that version is only on the BluRay release.


  224. Lily
    225 | November 15, 2012 11:20 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’ll check it out. ;)


  225. Lily
    226 | November 15, 2012 11:21 pm

    Moving up to the OOT thread. :)


  226. lobo91
    227 | November 15, 2012 11:22 pm

    @ Lily:

    I swear the guy who plays the mayor (Catherine Zeta-Jones’ husband) looks like John Boehner.

    Which actually makes it funnier. You’ll see why :)


  227. Calo
    228 | November 15, 2012 11:22 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I give up.

    What movie are you talking about?
    and, why do I care that Tom Cruise can sing?

    I would just prefer to duct tape his mouth shut so I can’t hear him utter vapid thoughts and just gaze into his bedroom eyes for a bit. :roll:


  228. Lily
    229 | November 15, 2012 11:25 pm

    @ Calo:

    Hey going up thread and see if I can make that song for you right.
    Tom isn’t a bad looking man..but damn his religion makes him nutty.
    He was once Catholic.


  229. lobo91
    230 | November 15, 2012 11:27 pm

    @ Calo:

    Rock of Ages


  230. Calo
    231 | November 15, 2012 11:27 pm

    @ Lily:
    Well, we gotta drag Lobo upstairs too, then if I gotta go up there.


  231. AZfederalist
    232 | November 16, 2012 12:36 am

    Testing. Getting sent to moderation in the OOT, can I post on this thread?


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