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Never Trust the Android Crewman OOT

by lobo91 ( 201 Comments › )
Filed under OOT at November 16th, 2012 - 11:14 pm

They’re always up to no good…

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  1. Lily
    1 | November 16, 2012 11:17 pm

    Going to beat song ….first to say first! 8-)


  2. Prebanned
    2 | November 16, 2012 11:18 pm

    If yer uniform shirt is red, avoid landing parties.


  3. eaglesoars
    3 | November 16, 2012 11:18 pm

    my first husband.

    Lawyer removed his batteries


  4. Da_Beerfreak
    4 | November 16, 2012 11:20 pm

    I guess Jean-Luc didn’t get the memo…


  5. Lily
    5 | November 16, 2012 11:20 pm

    Got to watch out for those androids.


  6. Lily
    6 | November 16, 2012 11:21 pm

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=-1IXQ1pKl_Q&NR=1


  7. Lily
    7 | November 16, 2012 11:22 pm

    Let me try this again…

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=-1IXQ1pKl_Q&NR=1


  8. Lily
    8 | November 16, 2012 11:22 pm

    Darn it. :(


  9. darkwords
    9 | November 16, 2012 11:23 pm

    Obama funded Chinese programmers are what make Androids go bad. Asimov’s rules not followed. Too European for Obama.


  10. song_and_dance_man
    10 | November 16, 2012 11:24 pm

    If we had a ship called the Android, why would we need crewmen?


  11. darkwords
    11 | November 16, 2012 11:24 pm

    @ Lily: you forgot to leave a $$$ offering at Amazon this week. That is usually what fraks up a video link.


  12. Lily
    12 | November 16, 2012 11:25 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I’ll try again…


  13. song_and_dance_man
    13 | November 16, 2012 11:25 pm

    @ Lily:

    Want to borrow my keyboard, or fingers?

    /


  14. Lily
    14 | November 16, 2012 11:25 pm

    @ Lily:

    Bam…finally got it. ;)


  15. Lily
    15 | November 16, 2012 11:26 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    :lol: If it happens again …I’ll take you up on it! ;)


  16. song_and_dance_man
    16 | November 16, 2012 11:30 pm

    @ Lily:
    Here is some Prokofiev culture via ELP.


  17. darkwords
    17 | November 16, 2012 11:30 pm

    Andromeda

    TMI: I am emotionally attached to old sci fi series. Naming a TV channel syfy and including horror as syfy fodder seems sacrilegious to me.


  18. eaglesoars
    18 | November 16, 2012 11:31 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Asimov’s rules not followed.

    Dammit. I’ve forgotten.

    What are they?


  19. Lily
    19 | November 16, 2012 11:32 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I agree…they label too many films horror when they are not. Slasher films suck and that should be the only films under horror. Just my opinion. ;)


  20. darkwords
    20 | November 16, 2012 11:32 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The Three Laws of Robotics (often shortened to The Three Laws or Three Laws) are a set of rules devised by the science fiction author Isaac Asimov and later added to. The rules were introduced in his 1942 short story “Runaround”, although they had been foreshadowed in a few earlier stories. The Three Laws are:
    A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
    A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
    A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.


  21. eaglesoars
    21 | November 16, 2012 11:32 pm

    I can’t stand Ben Stein.

    “What do YOU care if the gov’t raises taxes on some rich person?”

    Because it makes the already obese gov’t even fatter, go away you moron.


  22. darkwords
    22 | November 16, 2012 11:35 pm

    @ 19 Lily: I think the modern horror that is gore and slash is bad for the unconsciousness. My dreams suffice to run me through my angst issues.

    The progressive ideology of destruction of tradition seems very similar to a slasher film to me. An undiscerning person fails to discriminate.


  23. song_and_dance_man
    23 | November 16, 2012 11:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Dammit. I’ve forgotten.

    What are they?

    An idiot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a fellow commie being to come to harm.

    A stupid voter must obey the orders given to it by first rule idiots, except where such orders would conflict with the First Lady.

    An Obama supporter must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.


  24. Lily
    24 | November 16, 2012 11:36 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I do like me some ELP….. ;)


  25. eaglesoars
    25 | November 16, 2012 11:36 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Thank you! It’s been ages since I read sci fi. I remember s short story (but not the author’s name) about a computer that was programmed to learn everything and answer all questions.

    It learned everything, got bored and disconnected itself.

    I also remember Clarke’s The Nine Billion Names of God -- all the stars went ‘out’.


  26. darkwords
    26 | November 16, 2012 11:37 pm

    Magnus Robot killer was one of my first child hood heroes.


  27. Lily
    27 | November 16, 2012 11:38 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 19 Lily: I think the modern horror that is gore and slash is bad for the unconsciousness. My dreams suffice to run me through my angst issues.

    The progressive ideology of destruction of tradition seems very similar to a slasher film to me. An undiscerning person fails to discriminate.

    I have to agree. I love scary movies..but I find slasher flicks anything but..just blood and gore..not scary.


  28. eaglesoars
    28 | November 16, 2012 11:38 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Dammit. I’ve forgotten.

    What are they?

    An idiot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a fellow commie being to come to harm.

    A stupid voter must obey the orders given to it by first rule idiots, except where such orders would conflict with the First Lady.

    An Obama supporter must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

    This would look really good done up in cross-stitch and framed.


  29. darkwords
    29 | November 16, 2012 11:41 pm

    “Share and Enjoy” is the slogan of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation

    Soon to be know as “The Book of O”


  30. darkwords
    30 | November 16, 2012 11:42 pm

    @ 28 eaglesoars: Pretty good, would make a good post in and of itself.


  31. eaglesoars
    31 | November 16, 2012 11:44 pm

    The union’s willingness to go down with the sinking ship — and in some cases take credit for sinking it — in the Hostess case may prove to corporate investors that the working class must be reckoned with, said University of Southern Maine economist and labor relations expert Michael Hillard.

    No sweetie, that’s not what it’s going to prove to corporate investors.


  32. Lily
    32 | November 16, 2012 11:44 pm

    Some southern music…


  33. darkwords
    33 | November 16, 2012 11:45 pm

    Diaspora of the conservative voter. Find your center, seek out the one passion of a liberal and test their ability to doubt themselves.


  34. song_and_dance_man
    34 | November 16, 2012 11:46 pm

    @ Lily:
    Oh yeah

    I saw them at the Cal Jam.

    cool, aliens motif


  35. Prebanned
    35 | November 16, 2012 11:46 pm

    China can make our twinkys


  36. Lily
    36 | November 16, 2012 11:47 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Diaspora of the conservative voter. Find your center, seek out the one passion of a liberal and test their ability to doubt themselves.

    Hard thing to do…their motto…YOUR WRONG, I’M RIGHT.


  37. lobo91
    37 | November 16, 2012 11:47 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Unions are parasites.


  38. darkwords
    38 | November 16, 2012 11:47 pm

    @ 31 eaglesoars: Capital can move across multi national borders very easily these days. Tear down the factory in Minnesota, rebuild it in sunny ciudad juarez with extra security and payoffs to the Mexican mob. no more union fuss.


  39. CynicalConservative
    39 | November 16, 2012 11:48 pm

    Calo’s 3 play before I retire…

    banderas and brightman Phantom…

    Queen -- Show must go on

    My Theme song…

    /galt


  40. darkwords
    40 | November 16, 2012 11:48 pm

    @ Prebanned:
    Except in China they call that salted fish.


  41. Prebanned
    41 | November 16, 2012 11:49 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ Prebanned:
    Except in China they call that salted fish.

    Well, and they would contain lead and other stuff bad for humans.


  42. CynicalConservative
    42 | November 16, 2012 11:50 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I read Sci-Fi to maintain a semblance of sanity. I don’t think it’s working.

    /galt


  43. Lily
    43 | November 16, 2012 11:51 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    AWESOME! I love that song! ;)


  44. Calo
    44 | November 16, 2012 11:52 pm

    @ CynicalConservative:
    #1 is wrong.

    #2 is still working.

    But, I’ll take #3 and all your port and fresh tomato soup first, please.


  45. Lily
    45 | November 16, 2012 11:53 pm

    @ CynicalConservative:

    I have several theme songs..here’s one.


  46. eaglesoars
    46 | November 16, 2012 11:53 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Tear down the factory in Minnesota, rebuild it in sunny ciudad juarez

    Almost. I’d rather Americans have these jobs. Right-to-work states -- Virginia -- Tennesee (I think is a RTW) -- etc.

    And if the unions -- Trumpka, Stern, etc., want to play thugocracy, I say -- bring it.


  47. Calo
    47 | November 16, 2012 11:53 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    China can make our twinkys

    And, they made our dog chow for a while too.

    No thanks.


  48. Lily
    48 | November 16, 2012 11:53 pm

    @ Calo:

    Yeah #3 is good! ;)


  49. Lily
    49 | November 16, 2012 11:54 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Louisiana is one too.


  50. darkwords
    50 | November 16, 2012 11:55 pm

    @ 48 Lily: I vote #3


  51. Calo
    51 | November 16, 2012 11:55 pm

    @ Lily:
    And, Texas as well.


  52. eaglesoars
    52 | November 16, 2012 11:56 pm

    And I bid you all good nite.

    It’s almost midnite here and time to go to bed.

    Sleep well all.


  53. darkwords
    53 | November 16, 2012 11:56 pm

    Obama would probably like Texas to succeed. It would help him meet all of his internal self destructive goals.


  54. Lily
    54 | November 16, 2012 11:56 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Nite {eagle}!


  55. rain of lead
    55 | November 16, 2012 11:58 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    yes Tenn is a rtw state


  56. CynicalConservative
    56 | November 16, 2012 11:59 pm

    @ Calo:
    Figured #1 would be an issue (lead singer from NightWish)

    #2 is dark if you ignore the video.

    #3 it is what it is.

    Next soup cook is August, if the internet is still active next year and I’m not homeless, I’ll get addresses and ship it out. Only did 12 pints this year due to a rough harvest.

    /galt


  57. song_and_dance_man
    57 | November 16, 2012 11:59 pm

    @ darkwords:

    The Foundation series ended with a robot. The whole Gaia thing was burdensome, but it ended in a nice Asimov way.


  58. Lily
    58 | November 17, 2012 12:00 am

    Another fav of mine….


  59. song_and_dance_man
    59 | November 17, 2012 12:01 am

    Prebanned wrote:

    China can make our twinkys

    Nope. Twinkies gotta be fresh. oh wait…


  60. darkwords
    60 | November 17, 2012 12:01 am

    @ song_and_dance_man: it’s been decades since I read it. I will have to revisit it. I remember enjoying the series. Dune dribbled out for me after the 3rd book.


  61. Lily
    61 | November 17, 2012 12:01 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    yes Tenn is a rtw state

    I think most of the southern states are. Correct me rain if I’m wrong.


  62. Lily
    62 | November 17, 2012 12:03 am

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Prebanned wrote:

    China can make our twinkys

    Nope. Twinkies gotta be fresh. oh wait…

    Damn sad day …our twinkies are gone. Now this is a damn bridge too far obama has gone. Dammit.


  63. Lily
    63 | November 17, 2012 12:04 am

    darkwords wrote:

    Obama would probably like Texas to succeed. It would help him meet all of his internal self destructive goals.

    He’d like the whole south secede to be honest.


  64. CynicalConservative
    64 | November 17, 2012 12:05 am

    @ darkwords:
    The 3rd Dune book is a slog, but I’ve found it’s worth it if you can push past it. Herbert’s son has continued the story filling in the back story. Probably 20 books in total now for the entire Dune saga. Read it first when I was 9 or 10; read it every 3 or 4 years now and always get something new out of it every time.

    /galt


  65. Lily
    65 | November 17, 2012 12:06 am


  66. song_and_dance_man
    66 | November 17, 2012 12:07 am

    darkwords wrote:

    Find your center, seek out the one passion of a liberal and test their ability to doubt themselves.

    Hiding their foodstamps in the toe of work boots is tricksy.


  67. 67 | November 17, 2012 12:07 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Unions are parasites.

    I bought a box of twinkies. I am really pissed about this.


  68. Lily
    68 | November 17, 2012 12:08 am

    Guys you want a good book to read…I recommend this one …good one..

    http://www.amazon.com/Keep-F-Paul-Wilson/dp/0765357054/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1353128876&sr=1-6&keywords=The+Keep


  69. Lily
    69 | November 17, 2012 12:09 am

    Rodan wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Unions are parasites.

    I bought a box of twinkies. I am really pissed about this.

    I figured you were on a twinkie binge. This is just down-right un-American. :(


  70. CynicalConservative
    70 | November 17, 2012 12:10 am

    @ Rodan:
    Close your eyes, put your earphones in and turn it up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYjZK_6i37M

    /galt


  71. 71 | November 17, 2012 12:10 am

    No Twinkies no peace!


  72. darkwords
    72 | November 17, 2012 12:11 am

    #HamasBumperStickers Some IowaHawk in there.

    Is that C4 in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
    Visualize Whirled Pieces
    Ask Me About My 72 Virgins
    My Other Car Is Intact.
    Honk if your horn is not currently connected to a detonator.
    Jihad Me At “Hello”
    Obama/Biden 2012
    I know what you bombed last summer

    You gotta love the Tweeters who are more offended by #HamasBumperStickers than the actual acts committed by Hamas.


  73. Lily
    73 | November 17, 2012 12:13 am

    Oldie but a goodie…


  74. darkwords
    74 | November 17, 2012 12:13 am

    @ CynicalConservative: I need to read dune again. I haven’t read any sci fi in 10 years. Just TV. It will probably be all new to me.


  75. CynicalConservative
    75 | November 17, 2012 12:15 am

    @ darkwords:
    Can’t recommend it enough, every few years that I’ve aged, the story and underlying message changes.

    /Galt


  76. Lily
    76 | November 17, 2012 12:15 am

    @ darkwords:

    The tweeter’s are offended by those??? Good heavens…do they know how vicious those people are??? Guess not. They need a one-way ticket there to see for themselve..no coming back though. Yeah I’m mean..


  77. song_and_dance_man
    77 | November 17, 2012 12:16 am

    Dune was a cool book. Clarkes Rama was better, because it allowed us to go deeper into what had transpired. Open ended, just as he did with the Odyssey.


  78. Calo
    78 | November 17, 2012 12:16 am

    @ CynicalConservative:
    Yes, #1 and Nightwish.

    From another time.

    /wallflower up


  79. Lily
    79 | November 17, 2012 12:16 am

    @ darkwords:

    The link I posted…to a book.. “The Keep” is really good. Just sayin.


  80. song_and_dance_man
    80 | November 17, 2012 12:17 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I bought a box of twinkies. I am really pissed about this.

    18k jobs


  81. Lily
    81 | November 17, 2012 12:18 am

    Rodan wrote:

    No Twinkies no peace!

    Bumper sticker worthy!


  82. darkwords
    82 | November 17, 2012 12:18 am

    @ 65 Lily: That is always an upbeat song to me.


  83. darkwords
    83 | November 17, 2012 12:19 am

    @ Lily:
    i added it to my wish list on Amazon


  84. Calo
    84 | November 17, 2012 12:19 am

    @ Rodan:
    :lol:

    I saw a box of Twinkies today at the grocery store and I saw your name written ALL OVER THE BOX!


  85. Lily
    85 | November 17, 2012 12:20 am


  86. Lily
    86 | November 17, 2012 12:22 am

    @ darkwords:

    Awesome book…and guys will like it…Good vs. Evil! I re-read it a couple of years ago to make sure it was as good as I remembered and oh hell yes.


  87. coldwarrior
    87 | November 17, 2012 12:22 am

    four people who otherwise would have no clue how to eat or what is a crawdad is were educated tonight.

    they loved the little bugs.


  88. song_and_dance_man
    88 | November 17, 2012 12:23 am

    @ darkwords:

    If you see a laser point, DUCK

    I was the last Hostess

    Paint me Bismark

    Swarm at 11


  89. Lily
    89 | November 17, 2012 12:23 am

    @ darkwords:

    Glad you liked it! Trying to find my groove. ;)


  90. CynicalConservative
    90 | November 17, 2012 12:24 am

    Random youtube for CW since I’ve been spamming the blog tonight…

    /galt


  91. Lily
    91 | November 17, 2012 12:24 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    four people who otherwise would have no clue how to eat or what is a crawdad is were educated tonight.

    they loved the little bugs.

    Aw CW teaching people how to eat crawfish I see..the Louisiana way! ;)


  92. Calo
    92 | November 17, 2012 12:25 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ugh, mudsuckers. Grit in your teeth.

    Where the hell are the bacon covered artichoke hearts?


  93. coldwarrior
    93 | November 17, 2012 12:27 am

    @ Lily:
    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ugh, mudsuckers. Grit in your teeth.
    Where the hell are the bacon covered artichoke hearts?

    that was the second course.

    then came the hibachi steak and fried rice with vegies.
    i was a very busy iron chef tonight.

    first course was da mud bugs.

    yep.


  94. 94 | November 17, 2012 12:27 am

    @ Lily:

    I am very angry about this.


  95. Lily
    95 | November 17, 2012 12:28 am

    A little Blue Grass music…had a boyfriend sing it to me. ;)


  96. coldwarrior
    96 | November 17, 2012 12:28 am

    Lily wrote:

    Aw CW teaching people how to eat crawfish I see..the Louisiana way! ;)

    nigerians, indians and americans were educated today


  97. Lily
    97 | November 17, 2012 12:30 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ugh, mudsuckers. Grit in your teeth.

    Where the hell are the bacon covered artichoke hearts?

    I’m not all that fond of crawfish…now bacon wrapped shrimp is another subject. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!


  98. Calo
    98 | November 17, 2012 12:31 am

    @ Lily:
    Perfect FNDT song.
    :cool:


  99. Lily
    99 | November 17, 2012 12:31 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I am very angry about this.

    I’ve been rather pissed about what is happening everyday since the election. Have to keep my chill on….


  100. song_and_dance_man
    100 | November 17, 2012 12:32 am

    Calo wrote:

    Ugh, mudsuckers. Grit in your teeth.

    Shell fish suck


  101. Calo
    101 | November 17, 2012 12:33 am

    @ Rodan:
    @ coldwarrior:

    Can we please have Twinkies for dessert?
    For Rodan?


  102. Lily
    102 | November 17, 2012 12:33 am

    @ Calo:

    Well at least I’m hitting one here and there! ;)


  103. Lily
    103 | November 17, 2012 12:35 am

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Crabs and shrimp are the awesome down where I live…. hmmmmmmm.


  104. CynicalConservative
    104 | November 17, 2012 12:36 am

    @ Calo:
    Bacon wrapped Twinkies?

    /galt


  105. Lily
    105 | November 17, 2012 12:36 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Aw CW teaching people how to eat crawfish I see..the Louisiana way!

    nigerians, indians and americans were educated today

    Should have played Born on Bayou in the background! ;)


  106. Lily
    106 | November 17, 2012 12:38 am

    @ Lily:

    Get em fresh straight from the Gulf!!! ;)


  107. song_and_dance_man
    107 | November 17, 2012 12:40 am

    Baker’s Inn
    Beefsteak
    Blue Ribbon
    Bread du Jour
    Butternut Breads
    Colombo
    Cotton’s
    Di Carlo
    Dolly Madison
    Drake’s
    Dutch Hearth
    Eddy’s
    Good Hearth
    Holsom
    Home Pride
    Hostess
    J.J. Nissen
    Merita
    Millbrook
    Mrs. Cubbison’s Foods
    Nature’s Pride
    Parisian
    Standish Farms
    Sweetheart
    Twinkie
    Toscana
    Wonder Bread


  108. Lily
    108 | November 17, 2012 12:41 am


  109. song_and_dance_man
    109 | November 17, 2012 12:42 am

    CynicalConservative wrote:

    Bacon wrapped Twinkies?

    Twinkie wrapped Bubba Gump shrimp


  110. CynicalConservative
    110 | November 17, 2012 12:42 am

    For Lily.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mJDqLatGLk&feature=related

    /galt


  111. song_and_dance_man
    111 | November 17, 2012 12:42 am

    later


  112. Lily
    112 | November 17, 2012 12:43 am

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Sad day….*shakes head*! Obama is a curse on this country.


  113. Lily
    113 | November 17, 2012 12:43 am

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Nite song!


  114. Lily
    114 | November 17, 2012 12:47 am

    @ CynicalConservative:

    Home run CC…love it! :)


  115. Lily
    115 | November 17, 2012 12:49 am


  116. 116 | November 17, 2012 12:51 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Can we please have Twinkies for dessert?
    For Rodan?

    I bought a box.


  117. Calo
    117 | November 17, 2012 12:52 am

    @ Lily:

    @ Lily:

    Good choice Lily.


  118. Lily
    118 | November 17, 2012 12:53 am

    @ Calo:

    I’m trying! :)


  119. darkwords
    119 | November 17, 2012 12:53 am

    Just missing the bottle of wine


  120. Calo
    120 | November 17, 2012 12:55 am

    @ Rodan:

    I bought you a box today, too.
    Goodness, it was sad to watch you mourn.
    I had to do something. Anything to get you off the subject.


  121. CynicalConservative
    121 | November 17, 2012 12:55 am

    @ darkwords:
    There’s Port on the last thread, just search my Nic.

    /galt


  122. Calo
    122 | November 17, 2012 12:57 am

    @ darkwords:
    No, there is no port left on the last thread.

    Lily took it.


  123. darkwords
    123 | November 17, 2012 12:59 am

    There is no safe harbor for a union wage if the labor gates are opened.


  124. darkwords
    124 | November 17, 2012 12:59 am

    @ 122 Calo: ah she seemed to be posting a little bit more prolifically.


  125. Lily
    125 | November 17, 2012 1:00 am


  126. Lily
    126 | November 17, 2012 1:01 am

    @ Calo:

    :oops:


  127. Lily
    127 | November 17, 2012 1:02 am

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 122 Calo: ah she seemed to be posting a little bit more prolifically.

    Moi????


  128. 128 | November 17, 2012 1:03 am

    Lily wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Sad day….*shakes head*! Obama is a curse on this country.

    Even in Obama’s America, Twinkies are gone.


  129. darkwords
    129 | November 17, 2012 1:07 am

    I can always smell the neighbors smoking pot here. Brings back all the old college memories. But I won’t freak out like that anymore. Leads to too much dream analysis.


  130. Lily
    130 | November 17, 2012 1:11 am

    @ Rodan:

    It’s in the air tonight! Revenge.


  131. AZfederalist
    131 | November 17, 2012 1:21 am

    Lily wrote:

    I’m not all that fond of crawfish

    Crawfish in a good etouffe’ is absolutely awesome, with some rice, and you’ve got a perfect meal.

    /… and I’m not even from the bayou


  132. lobo91
    132 | November 17, 2012 1:22 am

    @ Lily:

    A Phil Collins song for the 47%:


  133. Lily
    133 | November 17, 2012 1:23 am

    @ AZfederalist:

    Well it is good served that way…but give me shrimp any day!


  134. Lily
    134 | November 17, 2012 1:25 am

    @ lobo91:

    Ooooooooooooh good one lobo! ;)


  135. Lily
    135 | November 17, 2012 1:31 am


  136. Calo
    136 | November 17, 2012 1:31 am

    @ Lily:
    Cuz it’s my job.

    Night Lily and Lobo and whoever else is left.


  137. Lily
    137 | November 17, 2012 1:33 am

    @ Calo:

    Awesome song! Yeah Nite everyone for me too! :) Have a good one.


  138. coldwarrior
    138 | November 17, 2012 2:40 am

    while i clean up the bar.


  139. 139 | November 17, 2012 4:28 am

    Damn… The old farts have all gone to bed and turned the intertubes off behind them… :shock:


  140. 140 | November 17, 2012 6:26 am

    The RNC can’t fight vote fraud?

    Truth? Or another truther crock?


  141. Storagemanager
    141 | November 17, 2012 7:31 am

    Iran: Muslim world must hit back at Israel for Gaza

    Iranian defense minister says joint strike by Muslim world is only way to end ‘Zionist regime’s crimes’; Tehran to send delegation to enclave
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4307096,00.html


  142. Storagemanager
    142 | November 17, 2012 7:34 am

    Obama Calls Egypt’s President Morsi To Thank Him For Helping “Calm” Situation In Gaza… Seemingly Unaware Morsi Threatened Israel Earlier In The Day… http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/16/obama-calls-egypts-president-morsi-to-thank-him-for-helping-calm-situation-in-gaza-seemingly-unaware-morsi-threatened-israel-earlier-in-the-day/


  143. Storagemanager
    143 | November 17, 2012 7:37 am

    Two major Israeli newspapers are reporting that rockets fired from Egypt have hit Israel.

    “Terrorists in the Sinai Peninsula launched rockets into Israel Friday night,” reports the Jerusalem Post. “The rockets fell near an Israeli village on the southern border, causing some damage, but no injuries.”

    The Israeli daily Haaretz reports, “Rockets fired from direction of Egypt toward Eshkol Regional Council.”
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-rockets-fired-egypt-hit-israel_663502.html


  144. Storagemanager
    144 | November 17, 2012 7:56 am

    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan left Turkey for a visit to Egypt on Saturday to intensify dialogue with the Middle Eastern country and hold talks with Egyptian officials on a series of topics high on the world’s agenda.

    Erdoğan is scheduled during his historic visit to meet Egyptian President Mohammad Morsi, attend the Turkey-Egypt High Level Strategic Cooperation Council and then a joint press conference with Egyptian Prime Minister Hisham Kandil.

    The Turkish prime minister is expected to discuss the Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip with Egyptian officials — a topic that would further foster relations between Turkey and Egypt due to the similar stance taken by the two countries on the Palestinian issue.
    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-298471-.html


  145. 145 | November 17, 2012 8:08 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Obama doesn’t care what Morsi has really done. Obama wants to boost his peeps in the Muslim Brotherhood. That is all Obama cares about. At best Obama is a weak, indecicive leader (if you can call him a leader at all) who will do nothing to positively impact the situation. At worst he sympathesizes with the Terrorists here.


  146. Storagemanager
    146 | November 17, 2012 8:09 am

    Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s prime minister, has told Arab foreign ministers that Israel has isolated itself and must “pay the price” after refusing to apologise for its raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla last year.

    In his opening address to a meeting of Arab League in Cairo on Tuesday, Erdogan also condemned Israeli policies and said that the recognition of a Palestinian state was “not an option but an obligation”.

    Erdogan spoke as part of a three-day visit to Egypt aimed at boosting his government’s standing in the Arab world after the uprisings of the “Arab Spring”.

    Many in the Arab world have cheered Erdogan’s tough stance on Israel. Turkey suspended military ties with Israel, expelled top Israeli diplomats, pledged to support the Palestinians’ statehood bid and vowed to send the Turkish navy to escort Gaza-bound aid ships in the future.

    Erdogan told the ministers, Israel “must pay the price for the crimes it committed”.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/09/2011912221636537643.html


  147. Storagemanager
    147 | November 17, 2012 8:10 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Obama doesn’t care what Morsi has really done. Obama wants to boost his peeps in the Muslim Brotherhood. That is all Obama cares about. At best Obama is a weak, indecicive leader (if you can call him a leader at all) who will do nothing to positively impact the situation. At worst he sympathesizes with the Terrorists here.

    The anti-President in love with Islam.


  148. Guggi
    148 | November 17, 2012 8:10 am

    Yesterday this four stars liar and four stars coward told the committee that he knew immediately after the attack that it was a terror attack from an al Qaeda affiliate Ansar al Sharia:

    Ex-CIA Director David Petraeus told lawmakers Friday that classified intelligence showed the deadly raid on the U.S. Consulate in Libya was a terrorist attack, but that the administration withheld the suspected role of specific al-Qaida affiliates to avoid tipping off the terrorist groups.

    But how can one withheld information from the terror-group when the terror-group itself had already taken responsibility for the attack DURING the ongoing attack ?

    Two hours after first being notified of an attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, a government e-mail to the White House, the State Department and the FBI said an Islamist group had claimed credit, according to a copy obtained by CNN.


  149. Storagemanager
    149 | November 17, 2012 8:13 am

    @ Guggi:
    Jill Kelley Visited White House 3 Times This Year

    Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Generals-Scandal-White-House/2012/11/16/id/464470#ixzz2CU9Sj6ez


  150. 150 | November 17, 2012 8:17 am

    @ mfhorn:
    Sounded reasonable till the middle of the page when the author went off the rails.


  151. 151 | November 17, 2012 8:20 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Damn… The old farts have all gone to bed and turned the intertubes off behind them…

    Humpf. Some us old farts didn’t get back to the house until after 1 AM, and were pretty much beat to death by the time we made it.


  152. Storagemanager
    152 | November 17, 2012 8:20 am

    Why Did Cantor Protect Obama?…The record shows that Cantor had knowledge of the affair from an FBI whistleblower before the election but decided not to go public with the allegations of high-level misconduct by the CIA director.

    Read more: Family Security Matters http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/#ixzz2CUBC6J67
    Under Creative Commons License: Attribution


  153. 153 | November 17, 2012 8:23 am

    @ Guggi:

    It is clear that the Obama Administration was lying to protect the President’s re-election campaign strategy. Nothing will come of this. Yes, this is far worse than Watergate, but Obama is not only a Democrat, he is black. He is impervious to impeachment, even if the Republicans had retaken the Senate. As is, there is nothing he could do that would get him impeached short of ordering a nuclear attack on an American city. As a practical matter, Obama is bulletproof. With the media in his pocket, even collossal failures like the BP Oil spill and Sandy are non-events. I absolutely hate the media. The Media are the Enemy as assuredly as al Qaeda is.


  154. Guggi
    154 | November 17, 2012 8:25 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Jill Kelley Visited White House 3 Times This Year
    Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Generals-Scandal-White-House/2012/11/16/id/464470#ixzz2CU9Sj6ez

    I know I’ve linked to it yesterday in a previous thread. :-)


  155. 155 | November 17, 2012 8:26 am

    @ Storagemanager:
    I am absolutely convinced that a lot of the Republican higher-ups are quite content to be the minority party so long as they get invited to the right Washington parties. They don’t care about the country. They aren’t even in it for the power. All they want is their cushy lifestyle to be protected. They are as contemptible as the Democrats.


  156. Storagemanager
    156 | November 17, 2012 8:27 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The Media are also in love with Islam….Obama + Islam = screw the public


  157. Guggi
    157 | November 17, 2012 8:27 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I absolutely hate the media. The Media are the Enemy as assuredly as al Qaeda is.

    So do I.


  158. 158 | November 17, 2012 8:29 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I take it you’re back in the world now, so welcome home!


  159. 159 | November 17, 2012 8:31 am

    Where is everyone? The USA has turned into a damn banana republic run by a deluded whackjob!


  160. huckfunn
    160 | November 17, 2012 8:32 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It is clear that the Obama Administration was lying to protect the President’s re-election campaign strategy. Nothing will come of this.

    Oh, c’mon. You don’t really think the regime would lie to us, do you?///

    Obama officials using secret emails to avoid oversight

    The House science committee is demanding the White House explain why top administration officials are using secret e-mail accounts and other techniques to conceal their taxpayer-paid activities from public oversight.

    The evidence of officials’ efforts to evade transparency laws includes EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson’s use of the fake name “Richard Windsor”, and hidden e-mail accounts, according to a Nov. 16 letter sent by the committee to several White House officials, including Jackson. (RELATED: EPA chief’s secret ‘alias’ email revealed)

    The committee’s letters justified their startling statements with evidence published in The Daily Caller. The Caller’s report was based on an investigation by Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and the author of a new book “The Liberal War on on Transparency.”

    “The use of these [hidden] accounts could seriously impair records collection, preservation, and access, therefore compromising transparency and oversight,” said the letter, signed by committee chairman Rep. Ralph Hall.


  161. Storagemanager
    161 | November 17, 2012 8:32 am

    Kirly wrote:

    Where is everyone? The USA has turned into a damn banana republic run by a deluded whackjob!

    The twilight zone welcomes you…have a seat..


  162. Guggi
    162 | November 17, 2012 8:34 am

    Kirly wrote:

    Where is everyone? The USA has turned into a damn banana republic run by a deluded whackjob!

    Yep. They lie with a barefacedness and impertinence it is breath taking.


  163. Guggi
    163 | November 17, 2012 8:37 am

    @ huckfunn:

    From day to day it’s going worse and the MSM is doing nothing. Nothing. They would have crucified Bush even Reagan. But O. ? Nothing.


  164. Storagemanager
    164 | November 17, 2012 8:40 am

    I’ve been noting that the President of “America”, Bronco Bama, had yet to speak out on the situation in Israel.

    Well now he has.

    Did he call Netanyahu and voice his support?

    No.

    Did he give a press conference, and explain that Israel has a right to defend herself?

    No.

    He called Muslim Brotherhood member/Egyptian President, Mohammed Morsi, and expressed his approval of Morsi’s incitement … er, uh, whatever.

    Not only did Morsi threaten Israel but they crowd he was speaking to started chanting about killing Jews . . . and Obama thanks him for it. http://ibloga.blogspot.com/


  165. huckfunn
    165 | November 17, 2012 8:41 am

    Guggi wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    From day to day it’s going worse and the MSM is doing nothing. Nothing. They would have crucified Bush even Reagan. But O. ? Nothing.

    MSM is doing far worse than nothing. They are partners in the fraud and deceit that the regime is using to rule against the will of the American people.


  166. 166 | November 17, 2012 8:48 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    MSM is doing far worse than nothing. They are partners in the fraud and deceit that the regime is using to rule against the will of the American people.

    i dunno. it sure seems to me that the American people want to have cradle to grave government run lives. it’s quite sickening. it’s as if they read Atlas Shrugged and decided they wanted to live in a world like the one that falls apart. collective insanity!


  167. 167 | November 17, 2012 8:48 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Obama told us that when the rubber met the road he’d back the Mohammedans. He’s just fulfilling one of his campaign promises. Besides, Obama hates Jews. He no doubt sees this as a twofer.


  168. 168 | November 17, 2012 8:51 am

    This is cool:

    The owner of an Arizona gun store said he will not sell weapons to customers who voted for President Obama because “you have proven that you are not responsible enough to own a firearm.”

    Heh™ No doubt someone will call this RAAAAACIST… :roll:


  169. Storagemanager
    169 | November 17, 2012 8:51 am

    Did anyone notice the media is not covering Israel…and the one’s that do favor Islam..


  170. 170 | November 17, 2012 8:52 am

    @ Guggi:

    Petraeus joins Lance Armstrong in the growing pantheon of profoundly disappointing individuals and fallen heroes. They’re still trying to polish the General as a great man who just made a “tragic lapse in judgement “. He had his time of greatness, but the tarnish is permanent in my eyes. A long term affair is far more than a “lapse”. I honor and thank him for his past service, but he should now, at the very least, just go back to the shadows. I’m no prude, but the the recasting of adultery, beginning with Clinton, as some sort of “minor failing” diminishes us all.

    Petraeus was a great General, but he seems to have fallen far short as a man.


  171. Guggi
    171 | November 17, 2012 8:55 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    :-) :-) :-)


  172. 172 | November 17, 2012 8:56 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Petraeus was a great General, but he seems to have fallen far short as a man.

    His lack of truthfulness in the Benghazi affair is as big or bigger a black mark against him as his affair. The man lied to Congress in September, and he lied to the American people. How can we trust that he is telling the full truth now?


  173. huckfunn
    173 | November 17, 2012 8:57 am

    Kirly wrote:

    i dunno. it sure seems to me that the American people want to have cradle to grave government run lives. it’s quite sickening.

    It’s a real shame that a majority of the electorate has gone over to the “free stuff” camp. But it’s because the MSM, as the regime’s propaganda arm, has successfully sold them the idea of “free stuff” that nobody has to pay for. 2 terms of Obama is testimony to the success of their deliberate misinformation.


  174. eaglesoars
    174 | November 17, 2012 8:57 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    They’re still trying to polish the General as a great man who just made a “tragic lapse in judgement “.

    His lapse in judgement was when he agreed to join the most corrupt adminisstration in our country’s history.


  175. 175 | November 17, 2012 9:02 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    They’re still trying to polish the General as a great man who just made a “tragic lapse in judgement “.

    His lapse in judgement was when he agreed to join the most corrupt adminisstration in our country’s history.

    really? i thought his long term affair occurred long before that.


  176. huckfunn
    176 | November 17, 2012 9:05 am

    New thread. This one’s getting kinda boggy.


  177. eaglesoars
    177 | November 17, 2012 9:11 am

    Kirly wrote:

    really? i thought his long term affair occurred long before that.

    It did (how long WAS that affair? For some reason, I’m under the impression is was in ‘months’ not ‘years’)


  178. Guggi
    178 | November 17, 2012 9:17 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    I honor and thank him for his past service

    Why ? On what is this based ? The so called “surge” started about two months BEFORE he was appointed to Iraq by a Lt. Col. or Col. in Baghdad who was fed up with the ongoing civil war in Sadr City. al Sadr himself had a problem with his “army” which began to disintegrate into criminal gangs (because al Sard was short of money to pay them) and had started to attack the own people. al Sadr lost much of political support from his own people and was eager for a truce to get the support back and reorganize his “army”. Petraeus had always been more interested in his political network in Washington promoting him than that he was a brilliant general. He is an opportunist and a freerider (Iraq). Please, don’t misunderstand me: I don’t think he is stupid. He isn’t, no way. But I agree here with McChrystal (the sky is falling :-) ) who called him more or less a coward.

    Attending lavsih parties at the house of sklick characters doesn’t make one “a great American”.


  179. eaglesoars
    179 | November 17, 2012 9:26 am

    @ Guggi:

    I foound out yesterday that he also approved the new ROE that puts are soldiers in so much more danger.

    Hearts and minds bullshit on the battlefield.


  180. 180 | November 17, 2012 9:28 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I take it you’re back in the world now, so welcome home!

    Still a bit fuzzy this morning, but I don’t see any palm trees outside and there was frost all over everything, so this must be the real world. Politics/economics aside, of course.


  181. 181 | November 17, 2012 9:30 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I take it you’re back in the world now, so welcome home!

    Still a bit fuzzy this morning, but I don’t see any palm trees outside and there was frost all over everything, so this must be the real world. Politics/economics aside, of course.

    Let’s just call it a reasonable facsimile…. ;)


  182. Guggi
    182 | November 17, 2012 9:39 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    I foound out yesterday that he also approved the new ROE that puts are soldiers in so much more danger.
    Hearts and minds bullshit on the battlefield.

    Not only, he was behind this stupid decision to buy drones like insane for the Air Force. I don’t know why but Petraeus (and btw. McChrystal too) hate the Air Force. They wanted (unsuccessfully) eliminate the independence of the Air Force.


  183. Tanker
    183 | November 17, 2012 9:41 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Petraeus joins Lance Armstrong in the growing pantheon of profoundly disappointing individuals and fallen heroes. They’re still trying to polish the General as a great man who just made a “tragic lapse in judgement “. He had his time of greatness, but the tarnish is permanent in my eyes. A long term affair is far more than a “lapse”. I honor and thank him for his past service, but he should now, at the very least, just go back to the shadows. I’m no prude, but the the recasting of adultery, beginning with Clinton, as some sort of “minor failing” diminishes us all.
    Petraeus was a great General, but he seems to have fallen far short as a man.

    IMHO Petraeus was no great general. With his approval of the ROE, he carries the blood of many soldiers squarely on his shoulders. I can take you to graves of young soldiers that’s death is a direct results of this SOB!


  184. eaglesoars
    184 | November 17, 2012 9:56 am

    Guggi wrote:

    They wanted (unsuccessfully) eliminate the independence of the Air Force.

    As far as I know, that attitude is long-standing among all the services.


  185. Guggi
    185 | November 17, 2012 9:59 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    As far as I know, that attitude is long-standing among all the services.

    This time they tried it under the umbrella of “counter insurgency”.


  186. 186 | November 17, 2012 10:03 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Hearts and minds bullshit on the battlefield.

    Winning their “hearts and minds” has always been a losing strategy at war. You win wars by destroying the enemy’s will and ability to resist, not seducing them into becoming your BFF.


  187. 187 | November 17, 2012 10:04 am

    @ Guggi:
    @ eaglesoars:
    @ Tanker:

    I was just giving him the basic respect I would to anyone who spent their career in military service and obtained four stars on their shoulder. Beyond that, I’ll certainly not defend him -- I’ve not the expertise, or the inclination to do so. I’d like to think that I do know something about honor and fidelity and without those, all else seems somewhat banal.


  188. eaglesoars
    188 | November 17, 2012 10:14 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I wish I could remember where I read this so I could provide a link but -- I understand what you’re saying. However, the unsung partner is his career is his wife. She’s 50% of his career success. I had an uncle who was career Air Force and I saw first hand what it meant for my aunt. And he was just a Colonel. And one of my cousins -- same thing. She busted her ass. He retired as a 2 star


  189. Tanker
    189 | November 17, 2012 10:18 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    @ eaglesoars:
    @ Tanker:
    I was just giving him the basic respect I would to anyone who spent their career in military service and obtained four stars on their shoulder. Beyond that, I’ll certainly not defend him — I’ve not the expertise, or the inclination to do so. I’d like to think that I do know something about honor and fidelity and without those, all else seems somewhat banal.

    As have I in the past. Something seems to have happened to him during the “He Betrayedus” BS. He became so ingrained in the PC class of upper leadership. I still give him props for his service up to a point. Doesn’t clear him of the blood on his hands though. As I’ve said it’s just my opinion and means little other than I know many who feel the way I do, Enlisted and Officers.


  190. Guggi
    190 | November 17, 2012 10:31 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    However, the unsung partner is his career is his wife. She’s 50% of his career success. I had an uncle who was career Air Force and I saw first hand what it meant for my aunt. And he was just a Colonel. And one of my cousins — same thing. She busted her ass. He retired as a 2 star

    …and she came from a family of generals going back to the 18th century.

    What buffels me is, that like Petraeus more than 50 per cent of US-generals have never fought in combat before they were propomoted to Brigadier General and as generals they are pampered and not much in danger.

    The most dangerous moments of Petraeus life were when he was accidentely shot in the chest in Fort Campell, Kentucky and when -- during a civilian skydiving jump -- his parachute collapsed and he broke his pelvis.

    Iraq was his first combat mission. (Bosnia doesn’t count, the war in Bosnia was long over when he was there).


  191. 191 | November 17, 2012 10:35 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I wish I could remember where I read this so I could provide a link but — I understand what you’re saying. However, the unsung partner is his career is his wife. She’s 50% of his career success. I had an uncle who was career Air Force and I saw first hand what it meant for my aunt. And he was just a Colonel. And one of my cousins — same thing. She busted her ass. He retired as a 2 star

    That’s what really pisses me off, adultery isn’t a “minor flaw in an otherwise brilliant career” as they would have us believe (and I’m not just talking about Petraeus), it’s a major character failing. It’s a violation of the UCMJ for a reason. He violated the most basic commitment a man can make, the commitment to his wife. He’s not only dishonored her, but he’s dishonored all of those military wives who have made their sacrifices in obscurity. Those who defend such actions as a “lapse”, also dishonor men, such as myself, who see their commitment to their wives as the bedrock upon which all else is built.


  192. Tanker
    192 | November 17, 2012 10:38 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    @ MacDuff:
    I wish I could remember where I read this so I could provide a link but — I understand what you’re saying. However, the unsung partner is his career is his wife. She’s 50% of his career success. I had an uncle who was career Air Force and I saw first hand what it meant for my aunt. And he was just a Colonel. And one of my cousins — same thing. She busted her ass. He retired as a 2 star

    That’s what really pisses me off, adultery isn’t a “minor flaw in an otherwise brilliant career” as they would have us believe (and I’m not just talking about Petraeus), it’s a major character failing. It’s a violation of the UCMJ for a reason. He violated the most basic commitment a man can make, the commitment to his wife. He’s not only dishonored her, but he’s dishonored all of those military wives who have made their sacrifices in obscurity. Those who defend such actions as a “lapse”, also dishonor men, such as myself, who see their commitment to their wives as the bedrock upon which all else is built.

    Great Post, and that’s the gist of the problem. If he failed in his marriage, can we assume he failed in his duties and responsibilities to the men assigned under him. I know for a fact he failed them!


  193. eaglesoars
    193 | November 17, 2012 10:40 am

    @ MacDuff:

    HEAR!! HEAR!!


  194. Guggi
    194 | November 17, 2012 10:41 am

    So many soldiers and officers have put their health, their future and their life at risk and many lost, that’s why I can’t see how Petraeus whose main engagement was to study/learn at ivy league universities (and he did very well) at the expense of the tax payers and to work at military camps in Europe or at home in the U.S.A. can be called a hero.


  195. 195 | November 17, 2012 11:16 am

    Guggi wrote:

    So many soldiers and officers have put their health, their future and their life at risk and many lost, that’s why I can’t see how Petraeus whose main engagement was to study/learn at ivy league universities (and he did very well) at the expense of the tax payers and to work at military camps in Europe or at home in the U.S.A. can be called a hero.

    As someone with only one hitch in the Navy I’m certainly no expert, but I think that Americans (and likely non-Americans as well) use Generals/Admirals as receptacles for their over-arching respect and gratitude for the military. They become rather mythic figures and are held up as role-models and representatives of the military, as a whole. Among their troops, they must command respect and confidence, for their very lives hang in the balance. They tend to be larger-than-life figures and with that comes an enormous responsibility -- an even larger responsibility than just commanding a massive military machine.

    Generals are, necessarily, students of military history. It would seen that Petraeus and Allen would understand the more indistinct, yet no less important aspects of their positions, but, clearly, they didn’t. The role of “hero”, deserved or undeserved, isn’t just an honor, it’s a solemn responsibility., a point that both of these men, sadly, seem to have missed.


  196. 196 | November 17, 2012 11:17 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Petraeus was a great General, but he seems to have fallen far short as a man.

    Under what definition was Petraeus a great general? Tanker wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    @ Guggi:
    Petraeus joins Lance Armstrong in the growing pantheon of profoundly disappointing individuals and fallen heroes. They’re still trying to polish the General as a great man who just made a “tragic lapse in judgement “. He had his time of greatness, but the tarnish is permanent in my eyes. A long term affair is far more than a “lapse”. I honor and thank him for his past service, but he should now, at the very least, just go back to the shadows. I’m no prude, but the the recasting of adultery, beginning with Clinton, as some sort of “minor failing” diminishes us all.
    Petraeus was a great General, but he seems to have fallen far short as a man.

    IMHO Petraeus was no great general. With his approval of the ROE, he carries the blood of many soldiers squarely on his shoulders. I can take you to graves of young soldiers that’s death is a direct results of this SOB!

    Exactly. Plus Petraeus is an anti-Semitic asshole who called Israel the single largest obstacle to peace in the Middle East.


  197. 197 | November 17, 2012 11:25 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Fair enough. As I indicated above, I’ve come to bury Petraeus, not to defend him (with apologies to The Bard).


  198. 198 | November 17, 2012 11:46 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    No apologies required, the Bard would approve… :grin:


  199. 199 | November 17, 2012 11:53 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    And it makes moving from upper middle to rich impossible. I actually think that is the goal, they (millionaires) don’t want hard working commoners moving up and cluttering their spots, how dare they!
    These new taxes are not going to break a right guy, they are not going to hurt a poor guy directly (most are too stupid to see the long term hit) but they are just enough so that the Ma&Pop pizza joint will not go state wide or national as most other businesses in that spot where they are about to break free. The really hate success because it means that we can live without them.


  200. 200 | November 17, 2012 6:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Prebanned wrote:
    China can make our twinkys
    Nope. Twinkies gotta be fresh. oh wait…

    Damn sad day …our twinkies are gone. Now this is a damn bridge too far obama has gone. Dammit.

    I never ate that crap anyway. Unappetizing dried-up vending machine stuff.

    rgranger wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    And it makes moving from upper middle to rich impossible. I actually think that is the goal, they (millionaires) don’t want hard working commoners moving up and cluttering their spots, how dare they!
    These new taxes are not going to break a right guy, they are not going to hurt a poor guy directly (most are too stupid to see the long term hit) but they are just enough so that the Ma&Pop pizza joint will not go state wide or national as most other businesses in that spot where they are about to break free. The really hate success because it means that we can live without them.

    Exactly.


  201. emile41
    201 | November 18, 2012 1:50 am

    @ darkwords:
    BINGO….that vampire/werewolf/zombie garbage is NOT SCFI!!!!


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