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The 800 Pound Gorilla Conservatives refuse to address

by Rodan ( 175 Comments › )
Filed under Communism, Elections 2012, Elections 2016, Fascism, Progressives, Republican Party, Socialism, Tranzis at November 16th, 2012 - 8:00 am

There have been many articles about what Republicans need to do to win Presidential elections. Most Republicans agree that the party needs to improve with Hispanics, single women, Asians and young people. Yet few articles have addressed the 800 pound gorilla in the room. The media!

The American media has become an arm of the Democratic Party. They cover up and dismiss any failure of Obama. They hype up mediocre economic numbers and tell Americans that things are great. They lie about Republicans and smear them as racists. As much as Conservatives think the media have lost power, this election proves otherwise. Thanks to the media, Obama is politically invincible.

Instead of spending millions on ads that don’t change any minds because of the media brainwashing, Conservative donors should take another tactic. They should buy up struggling newspapers and set up rival agencies to Reuters and Associated Press. They should buy movie studios and push Pro-Capitalist movies. This would be more effective than running useless ads. The media is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that Republicans refuse to discuss. Until a counter to the media is established, no amount of money can overcome this firewall.

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  1. rain of lead
    1 | November 16, 2012 8:15 am

    shhhhh
    don’t look him in the eye


  2. 2 | November 16, 2012 8:23 am

    Yeah the media. *spit*

    The CBC (Communist Broadcast Corporation) is extremely biased and leftist. A couple days before Remembrance day they aired a video from 2010 of a soldier doing a “Osama Bin Laden” skit. They were screaming ranting and raving on how racist, and insensitive it was. Trying to make our soldiers look bad. Kinda how they helped crucify our old Airborne units back in the late 90′s.

    Even had one of their comedians on discussing how bad it was. What role does he assume from time to time? Osama Bin Laden of course. Since he’s Indian though, he can do it more “culturally sensitive” then White military troops.


  3. 3 | November 16, 2012 8:28 am

    As much as Conservatives think the media have lost power, this election proves otherwise.

    Anyone who denies that the media won this election for Obama is deluding themselves. The Old Media is still the most effective media. You have to seek out alernatives. They are there if you look for them, but the average voter isn’t looking for them. We have to find a way to be in their faces with our media. We have to become pervasive. As CNN collapses, maybe Fox News will move into their position as the flagship ofcable news, but that is far from certain. Fox has more viewers, but the Old Media will pump up MSNBC however they can. We can’t deny the power of Old Media. We must find a way to counter that.


  4. 4 | November 16, 2012 8:43 am

    We have a new news station up here in Canada, well it’s over a year old now. Sun News Network. They are biased, and even admit it. Very conservative. They have been called “Fox News North” by the screaming leftists. Ezra Levant, of Western Standard fame, is one of the editorial speakers with his own program. He takes on the CBC, which receives over 1 billion of tax payers dollars a year, on their bias and attitudes. He also interviews bloggers on stories they find or break. They have a lot of great shows and the news is at least presented with a more fair spin then any of the other channels out there.


  5. coldwarrior
    5 | November 16, 2012 8:52 am

    here in pgh, there was the pgh press and pgh post. both were lefty.

    both lost money so they merged to the post-gazette. still a dem rag.

    then came the tribune review from mcclatchy media. this is a conservative paper and within a couple o’ years outsold the post-gazzette and dominates the online / media market here.

    this is a model of how to do it and make money.


  6. Storagemanager
    6 | November 16, 2012 8:55 am

    Buried in a flattering Washington Post article is a single extremely troubling quote that turns another otherwise tawdry affair into something much darker.

    A military officer who is a former member of Petraeus’s staff said Kelley was a “self-appointed” go-between for Central Command officers with Lebanese and other Middle Eastern officials……………
    Middle Eastern diplomats in Washington also knew Ms. Kelley, who came from a Lebanese immigrant family and who helped arrange social activities when dignitaries from the region visited Tampa

    An inappropriate relationship with top ranking military officers is one thing. An inappropriate relationship between a woman with ties to foreign governments, some of whom are in league with enemies of the United States, and top military officers operating in a theater against terrorists with ties to some of those same countries is wildly problematic
    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/jill-khawam-kelley-acted-as-go-between-for-central-command-officers-and-muslim-leaders/


  7. Guggi
    8 | November 16, 2012 9:10 am

    You’ll never change WaPo/NYT/LAT etc.


  8. Guggi
    9 | November 16, 2012 9:12 am

    Where is our masco ferb123 ?


  9. 10 | November 16, 2012 9:13 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Where is our masco ferb123 ?

    Shhhhh!


  10. Guggi
    11 | November 16, 2012 9:14 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Shhhhh!

    ooohhh, it’s sleeping :-)


  11. 12 | November 16, 2012 9:22 am

    @ Guggi:

    No, that is the truth. Their internal cultur is too Leftist. We may be able to discredit them, though. Did you kno wthat the Times new CEO Mark Thompson turned a blind eye towards a pederast when he was at the BBC? That is something we can and should use against them. The NYT is no longer “Paper of Record”, but is a Leftist tabloid with reporting on par with the National Enquirer. We need to destroy their reputation.


  12. 13 | November 16, 2012 9:22 am

    You want to know why Obama was reelected? Look no farther than the case of the Hostess closing. The union was upset over cutbacks implemented to stave off bankruptcy……so they went on strike.

    There’s a real special kinda stupid going around and people are dropping like flies – they’ve become intellectual zombies.


  13. coldwarrior
    14 | November 16, 2012 9:22 am

    let em eat cake:

    Hostess, the maker of Twinkies and Wonder Bread, plans to go out of business, lay off its 18,500 workers and sell its snack cake and bread brands.

    The Irving, Texas, company said a nationwide strike crippled its ability to make and deliver its products, which also include Ding Dongs, Ho Ho’s and Home Pride bread.

    Hostess suspended bakery operations at all its factories and said its stores will remain open for several days to sell already-baked products.

    The company had warned employees that it would file a motion in U.S. Bankruptcy Court to unwind its business and sell assets if plant operations didn’t return to normal levels by Thursday evening. The privately held company filed for Chapter 11 protection in January, its second trip through bankruptcy court in less than a decade.

    yeah, strike during a recession, morons….ummm, ya dont get unemployment either, strikers.


  14. 15 | November 16, 2012 9:24 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    We can’t deny the power of Old Media. We must find a way to counter that.

    Yup, the media won this election for Obama.


  15. huckfunn
    16 | November 16, 2012 9:29 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    let em eat cake:

    The day the Twinkie died, I was singin…
    Somebody wake up Buzz.


  16. coldwarrior
    17 | November 16, 2012 9:31 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    let em eat cake:
    The day the Twinkie died, I was singin…
    Somebody wake up Buzz.

    if he can work in The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union, I will be doubly impressed


  17. 18 | November 16, 2012 9:33 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    The day the Twinkie died, I was singin…
    Somebody wake up Buzz.

    :D Somehow, I think he may well be hard at work at that, even as we speak……..


  18. coldwarrior
    19 | November 16, 2012 9:35 am

    WASHINGTON – The United States Senate sent an overwhelming message of solidarity with Israel on Thursday with the passage by unanimous consent of a resolution introduced by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Mark Kirk.

    The bipartisan resolution, with 62 Senators as co-sponsors joining the two, expressed firm support for Israel’s “inherent right to act in self-defense to protect its citizens against acts of terrorism.”…

    Also Thursday, White House spokesman Jay Carney said that Washington strongly condemns the firing of rockets at Israel and regrets the loss the lives. Carney said there was “no justification” to the violence by Hamas and other terror groups and called them to stop their “cowardly acts.”


  19. huckfunn
    20 | November 16, 2012 9:36 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    If he’s gonna make the song about The Day the Twinkie Died, he’ll have to pay protection money to the American Guild of Music. It says so right in their opening screedo.

    Performing artists live to perform. But their talents, their skill and the beauty they create won’t necessarily pay the rent, put food on the table or guarantee the necessities of life. Without forceful advocacy and defense of their rights, artists may be vulnerable to exploitation or illegal discrimination. They need protection. They can find it by joining AGMA, the American Guild of Musical Artists.


  20. 21 | November 16, 2012 9:37 am

    @ MacDuff:
    @ coldwarrior:

    Speaking of which. The Canadian manufacturer of Hostess snack cakes is NOT going bankrupt or stopping the production of said sugary confections. Anyone want to go into business with me as retailers of the lost munchies. :)


  21. coldwarrior
    22 | November 16, 2012 9:39 am

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Speaking of which. The Canadian manufacturer of Hostess snack cakes is NOT going bankrupt or stopping the production of said sugary confections. Anyone want to go into business with me as retailers of the lost munchies.

    *gets the smuggling crew back together…*


  22. 23 | November 16, 2012 9:40 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Guggi, take note. I think Turkey is making a grevious error if they think their NATO membership will get them a pass on starting something with Israel. Obama may love him some Muzz, but the rest of America, not so much.


  23. huckfunn
    24 | November 16, 2012 9:41 am

    I know that Ron Paul is a howling lunatic on some issues, but his farewell manifesto did have some worthwhile portions such as this reference to the “government-media complex” and the importance of keeping the internut free of gub’mint regulation.
    httpv://youtu.be/1o3D2dlUS98


  24. 25 | November 16, 2012 9:42 am

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    Speaking of which. The Canadian manufacturer of Hostess snack cakes is NOT going bankrupt or stopping the production of said sugary confections. Anyone want to go into business with me as retailers of the lost munchies.

    Making Twinkies, another job that Americans refuse to do. I have a feeling that there’s a Chinese Twinkie factory gearing up for production.

    I can abide by Canadian Twinkies, reluctantly, but Chinese Twinkies need to be stopped!


  25. 26 | November 16, 2012 9:43 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Looks like the Turkish MB is going to have a pow wow with the Egyptian MB.

    The Irony is that by Assad holding out, he’s done Israel a favor. Just imagine a MB controlled Syria lining up with Egypt and backed by Turkey. It seems Hamas jumped the gun, since the Caliphate still has not finish establishing their Syrian Emirate.


  26. 27 | November 16, 2012 9:44 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Ron Paul may be luny, but he does get the Progressive establishment.


  27. 28 | November 16, 2012 9:46 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    WASHINGTON — The United States Senate sent an overwhelming message of solidarity with Israel on Thursday with the passage by unanimous consent of a resolution introduced by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Mark Kirk.

    The bipartisan resolution, with 62 Senators as co-sponsors joining the two, expressed firm support for Israel’s “inherent right to act in self-defense to protect its citizens against acts of terrorism.”…

    Also Thursday, White House spokesman Jay Carney said that Washington strongly condemns the firing of rockets at Israel and regrets the loss the lives. Carney said there was “no justification” to the violence by Hamas and other terror groups and called them to stop their “cowardly acts.”

    As usual, our illustrious Commander-in-Chief, the titular director of American foreign policy, is not only behind the curve, he doesn’t seem to even be aware of the curve.


  28. 29 | November 16, 2012 9:56 am

    FHA is getting ready to need a bailout:

    The Federal Housing Administration faced a deficit of $13.5 billion for the fiscal year ending in September, according to an audit released late Thursday.

    The report says the FHA will not have the capital resources available to handle the estimated losses on the roughly $1.1 trillion in mortgage debt that it backstops. In total, the FHA has $25.6 billion in resources, but is forecast to see future cash flows of negative $39.1 billion, creating the deficit. Analysts have said the FHA could require a bailout from taxpayers in order to bridge the gap.

    I don’t expect they’ll be figuring on that in their “Grand Bargain” to avoid the Fiscal Cliff, but then I don’t really expect them to come to any bargain. Obama has certainly signalled that he isn’t interested in doing anything constructive about it.


  29. livefreeor die
    30 | November 16, 2012 9:56 am

    I am still working on my list of businesses that advertise on CNN and MSNBC. I taped a complete day of broadcasts on both networks and am slowly going through them making the list. I should have it done by the end of this weekend.


  30. huckfunn
    31 | November 16, 2012 9:57 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Ron Paul may be luny, but he does get the Progressive establishment.

    Here’s the complete transcript of Ron Paul’s farewell address. I haven’t read the whole thing yet, but there are many truths in it.


  31. 32 | November 16, 2012 10:01 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Ron Paul may be luny, but he does get the Progressive establishment.

    He had his moments and was oft a good ally, but he just didn’t know when to STFU!

    I have high hopes for his scion, my junior Senator, though.


  32. 33 | November 16, 2012 10:03 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    90% of our loans are FHA backed. This needs watching.


  33. RIX
    35 | November 16, 2012 10:04 am

    Good Morning. Gerlado had another melt down, hissy fit
    on FNC this morning.
    He said that criticism of BHO & Rice etal on Benghazi
    is sophmoric.
    As a distinguished military scientist he opined that a rescue
    could not be mounted in seven hours , but more like seven
    days because it took the Israelis that long in another situation.


  34. 36 | November 16, 2012 10:04 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Rand Paul is a realist and believes in electability.


  35. buzzsawmonkey
    37 | November 16, 2012 10:04 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Here’s the complete transcript of Ron Paul’s farewell address. I haven’t read the whole thing yet, but there are many truths in it.

    The tragedy of Ron Paul is that he does speak many truths—but they are all embedded in a crazy world view.

    Almonds, however succulent, lose their savor when embedded in a turdball.


  36. 38 | November 16, 2012 10:05 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Long live the Republic of Texas/Republica de Tejas! :-)


  37. 39 | November 16, 2012 10:07 am

    Katrina on th eHudson continues:

    Human waste has been pouring into New York Harbor from the fifth largest sewage treatment plant in the nation since it was hit by Sandy, and the operator of the plant cannot predict when it will stop.

    A 12-foot surge of water swamped the Newark plant that serves some three million people when Sandy struck on Oct. 29. The plant has pumped more than three billion gallons of untreated or partially treated wastewater into local waterways since then.

    Mike DeFrancisci, executive director of the Passaic Valley Sewerage Commission, would only say “ASAP” when asked when repairs to the sprawling facility could be made.

    Until then, the main outfall will continue dumping millions of gallons of partially treated human waste a day at a point close to the Statue of Liberty across from Manhattan.

    Lovely. If Obama were a Republican this would be headline news. As is it is buried. Oh, the truth is out there if you look for it, but as I noted earlier, the average American voter doesn’t go looking for it. They eat the pablum served up to the by the MFM and think that they are informed.


  38. huckfunn
    40 | November 16, 2012 10:07 am

    General Petraeus set to take a large dump on Obatomy in today’s closed-door Congressional hearings.

    Just a few minutes ago on CNN, Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr reported that a high-placed source informed her that former CIA Chief David Petraeus will use his upcoming testimony to amend his previous testimony. According to this source, Petraeus will tell the closed door congressional hearing that he knew “almost immediately” that the September 11 anniversary attack on our Libyan consulate was a terrorist attack committed by the al-Qaeda-linked militia Ansar Al Sharia.
    Frances Townsend, a former Homeland Security advisor to George W. Bush, who is now a CNN analyst, tweeted this out:
    CNN:Petraeus wants 2 testify 2 Congrss tht he knew 9/11 #Benghazi attacks were terrorism, perpetratd by Ansar Al Sharia ‘almost immediately’
    — Frances Townsend (@FranTownsend) November 15, 2012


  39. 41 | November 16, 2012 10:08 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Ron Paul does get it on 90%. It’s that 10% where he’s nuts.


  40. 42 | November 16, 2012 10:10 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Media shield wall will protect their man-god. It’s nits how NY is the media capital yet there is a blackout on what’s going on. I used to wonder how dictatorships used to be able to control the population. We are seeing that here in America.


  41. huckfunn
    43 | November 16, 2012 10:10 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The tragedy of Ron Paul is that he does speak many truths—but they are all embedded in a crazy world view.

    Almonds, however succulent, lose their savor when embedded in a turdball.

    Yep. His foreign policy stuff was positively paranoid. Hey; we were wondering (hoping) that you might do a full musical of the Day the Twinkie Died.


  42. buzzsawmonkey
    44 | November 16, 2012 10:12 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Hey; we were wondering (hoping) that you might do a full musical of the Day the Twinkie Died.

    I’ve got to run some errands in a bit; I’ll give it some thought while on the subway.


  43. huckfunn
    45 | November 16, 2012 10:13 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Ron Paul does get it on 90%. It’s that 10% where he’s nuts.

    That’s pretty much how I see him, however I’d probably not give him more than an 80%, if that. He was my congress-critter for many years until this district was re-gerrymandered.


  44. 46 | November 16, 2012 10:13 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I used to wonder how dictatorships used to be able to control the population.

    Yep. Shirer commented on that in Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, how weird it was to go from the Free World into the Third Reich and listen to the news. The same is true for going from people like us, who scour the internet and cable for news, to the world-view of someone that merely watched the 6:30 news blurbs. Let alone the world-view of someone who watches MSNBC.


  45. huckfunn
    47 | November 16, 2012 10:14 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I’ve got to run some errands in a bit; I’ll give it some thought while on the subway.

    Sooper!


  46. 48 | November 16, 2012 10:15 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The media will not report this.


    Storm Sandy Depresses US Industrial Output in October

    U.S. industrial output unexpectedly fell in October as superstorm Sandy disrupted production, but the underlying tone remained consistent with slowing manufacturing activity.

    Industrial production contracted 0.4 percent last month after a revised 0.2 percent increase in September, the Federal Reserve said on Friday.

    The Fed said the storm, which tore through the East Coast at the end of October, is estimated to have reduced the rate of change in output by nearly 1 percentage point. It reduced the output of utilities, chemicals, food, transportation equipment and computers and electronic products, the Fed said.

    Economists polled by Reuters had expected a 0.2 percent gain in industrial output last month after September’s previously reported 0.4 percent increase.

    The economy is humming along!


  47. 49 | November 16, 2012 10:17 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    When I go visit my parents, I sometimes watch the Colombian channel for news. I feel like a Russian/East European listening to VOA during the Coldwar. It’s sad that I have to see a foreign channel to get the truth.


  48. bluliner10
    50 | November 16, 2012 10:20 am

    @ RIX:
    Geraldo does not know shit.


  49. 51 | November 16, 2012 10:20 am

    @ Rodan:

    When the increase in jobless claims was announced (yesterday, I think), it was blamed on Sandy. Later, they said that PA and OH were largely responsible for the increase.

    Funny, I don’t remember PA and/or OH being particularly affected by Sandy. Perhaps that’s why nothing’s happening in NY and NJ, all the relief efforts are in PA and OH! :D


  50. 52 | November 16, 2012 10:22 am

    @ MacDuff:

    The only part of PA could be Philly, but that’s just the souteast corner and they did not get the full brunt. I think we are seeing increase claims because of the announce layoffs.


  51. 53 | November 16, 2012 10:23 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Geraldo does not know shit.

    He’s the greatest military expert ever!
    ///


  52. 54 | November 16, 2012 10:24 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Propaganda. All we hear is propaganda. It is hard to dig out some sembalance of the truth from the noise in th emedia. They have a story line that they are pushing, and if it doesn’t fit their narritive, it doesn’t get air-play.


  53. RIX
    55 | November 16, 2012 10:24 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Geraldo does not know shit.

    No, but he does get hysterical in his ignorance.


  54. 56 | November 16, 2012 10:25 am

    @ Rodan:

    Sequestration will also bring a round of layoffs, but those they will blame on the Republicans.


  55. huckfunn
    57 | November 16, 2012 10:25 am

    The armed citizen vs the short-armed pervert.
    Woman pulls gun on man who exposed himself at lake.

    A Longview woman who was walking at Lake Sacajawea with her 6-year-old son pulled a gun on a man who exposed his genitals to her Wednesday evening, according to police.

    The 35-year-old woman was near Martin Dock around 8:10 p.m. when the man approached her “aggressively,” sat down and began performing a sex act, then suggested she should watch him, according to the woman and accounts from police.

    “I put the magazine in my gun. I cocked it,” the woman said in an interview Thursday night. “I said, ‘You need to leave or Ill shoot you. I’m going to blow your brains out.’ ”

    “Oh, [expletive]!” the man declared, before running away.


  56. RIX
    58 | November 16, 2012 10:28 am

    Rodan wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Geraldo does not know shit.

    He’s the greatest military expert ever!

    ///

    Do you recall when he was in Iraq drawing in the dirt
    on the air?
    He gave away troop positions!
    He should have been tossed on a transport with shoot
    on sight orders if he came back.
    Alright, that’s a little strong. Arrest him if he came back.


  57. 59 | November 16, 2012 10:29 am

    @ RIX:

    He’s an asshole.


  58. 60 | November 16, 2012 10:30 am

    @ RIX:

    A little strong? You don’t shoot traitors, you hang them.


  59. 61 | November 16, 2012 10:32 am

    @ Rodan:

    The media won the FIRST election for Obama as well. C’mon, if this had been a Republican candidate with those miserable credentials, all media would have been ridiculing the lack of experience, the failure as an elected representative and so on. Add to this the “birth certificate” controversy raised by the Clinton camp (NOT the right – that came later; just like Willie Horton was an Al Gore ad in the primaries and the lie was that it was George Bush that created it), Reverend Wright, association with Ayers – this clown should have gone off with his head up his ass after New Hampshire and Iowa. But no – the media ignored it – so caught up were they in the spectre and historical nature of the Magic Negro.

    They doubled down in 2012 – they had to prove that the election that they essentially manufactured in 2008 wasn’t a fluke. Hence the promotion of his behavior during Sandy while ignoring his ineffectual leadership in prior disasters and his criminal behavior regarding Libya; not to mention his anything but transparency in his first term.

    And maybe the “media”‘s ignoring the 800 lb. gorilla – we’ve been taking them to task here since this board was founded.


  60. 62 | November 16, 2012 10:32 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Propaganda. All we hear is propaganda. It is hard to dig out some sembalance of the truth from the noise in th emedia. They have a story line that they are pushing, and if it doesn’t fit their narritive, it doesn’t get air-play.

    People tend to retain the first thing they hear about a subject because they really don’t have the attention span to follow it for any reasonable length of time. If there’s a retraction or a clarification, it’s moot.

    That’s one of the main ways the media is forming opinion.


  61. huckfunn
    63 | November 16, 2012 10:33 am

    I’m still scratching my head as to why Fox ever hired that douchebag. As soon as they say “Geraldo’s up next” I’m gone.


  62. 64 | November 16, 2012 10:33 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Sequestration will also bring a round of layoffs, but those they will blame on the Republicans.

    The market meltdown will get blamed on the GOP. That’s why Obama can do what he wants. He will never get blamed for anything.

    Obama can anally rape a young boy on live TV and the boy will get the blame.


  63. 65 | November 16, 2012 10:34 am

    @ huckfunn:

    I completely agree – Rush actually played it during his show yesterday and said the same thing – that while he differed with Paul on foreign policy, his take on Amreican freedoms and fiscal policy was spot on.

    Is that Will Rogers in your avatar, Huck?


  64. 66 | November 16, 2012 10:34 am

    The American media has become an arm of the Democratic Party.

    I’m afraid I must disagree with this hypothesis, the Fifth Column Treasonous Media is NOT an arm of the Democrat Party. They are Marxist fellow travelers with an agenda entirely of their own, they put an enormous amount of support behind various Democrat politicians for the single and sole reason that the vast majority of Democrat politicians are either Socialists or out right Marxists.

    It isn’t the Democrat party that the Fifth Column Treasonous Media is supporting, it is the political ideology of Marxism that they are supporting.

    Oh, and don’t forget to check out my article on Gen Petraeus, who is testifying before Congress today. Will he or won’t he…


  65. RIX
    67 | November 16, 2012 10:34 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    He’s an asshole.

    Yes he is.


  66. huckfunn
    68 | November 16, 2012 10:34 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Is that Will Rogers in your avatar, Huck?

    Slim Pickens.


  67. 69 | November 16, 2012 10:36 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    PaladinPhil wrote:
    @ MacDuff:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Speaking of which. The Canadian manufacturer of Hostess snack cakes is NOT going bankrupt or stopping the production of said sugary confections. Anyone want to go into business with me as retailers of the lost munchies.

    *gets the smuggling crew back together…*

    ROTFLMAO… Now that my devious friend would be some true free enterprise. :twisted:


  68. 70 | November 16, 2012 10:36 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The media has always leaned left, but this is just beyond the pale. They are basically an arm of the Obama regime. They just love this guy and unfortunately a majority of Americans do as well.

    This is something you only see in dictatorship. Obama is viewed almost like some deity by the media. he can do no wrong!


  69. 71 | November 16, 2012 10:37 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    And maybe the “media”‘s ignoring the 800 lb. gorilla — we’ve been taking them to task here since this board was founded.

    They are the ones winning elections. No, as much as I’d like to think the internet changed everthing, it didn’t. The MFM are still the gatekeepers and still radically Leftist. Yes, we have Fox, and Fox has the most viewers of any cable channel, but a lot of people get their news from the nightly sound-bite shows on the MFM, or even worse, from Colbert or Jon whatshisname.


  70. RIX
    72 | November 16, 2012 10:37 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    A little strong? You don’t shoot traitors, you hang them.

    I don’t view him a a traitor, just a self absorbed clown,
    who can get our troops killed.
    He should have a life time ban on being present at any
    military operation.


  71. 73 | November 16, 2012 10:37 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    Is that Will Rogers in your avatar, Huck?
    Slim Pickens.

    Silly Huck… That’s not slim Pickens, that’s Major “King” Kong…

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0


  72. 74 | November 16, 2012 10:38 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Good pint. We are both correct on this, but you hit the nail closer on the head. The 800 Pound Gorilla is the Marxist ideology of the media!


  73. 75 | November 16, 2012 10:40 am

    I’m just sad about Hostess closing. It’s really depressing.


  74. 76 | November 16, 2012 10:42 am

    @ Rodan:

    Unions destroy most everything they touch. Unions are why the American auto industry is so fucked. GM will go bankrupt again. I don’t know if Obama will be able to get a bailout through Congress this time, though. Of course, then they will blame the layoffs on the Republicans.


  75. 77 | November 16, 2012 10:42 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Good pint. We are both correct on this, but you hit the nail closer on the head. The 800 Pound Gorilla is the Marxist ideology of the media!

    Exactly, the Democrat’s are 100 percent fully aware of the Fifth Column Treasonous Media’s ideological bent, and they exploit it for their own benefit. Andrew Breitbart was trying as hard as he possibly could to expose the FCTM as America’s single biggest and most dangerous enemy. Work which I am attempting to carry on with my own little insignificant blog.


  76. 78 | November 16, 2012 10:42 am

    @ Rodan:

    Rodan – I don’t know if you heard Mark Levin’s show last night, but he had Greg Gutfeld on – and Greg reiterated what you have said over and over again – that it’s important to utilize the pop culture in any effort to promote conservative values (to that end, I have purchased both of Greg’s books off iBooks). This led of course to the inevitable discussion of Andy Brietbart.

    Greg’s excellent show Red Eye is worth setting the DVR for – he’s able to bring a “fair and balanced” group of guests and are interesting and insightful.

    And you’re right – he IS the Limbaugh for the new millennium. Someone needs to get him a radio show and take him off The
    Five, where to my mind he’s wasted in a sea of mediocrity.


  77. buzzsawmonkey
    79 | November 16, 2012 10:43 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Sequestration will also bring a round of layoffs

    His Satanic Majesty sequests…


  78. Guggi
    80 | November 16, 2012 10:43 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    The media has always leaned left, but this is just beyond the pale. They are basically an arm of the Obama regime. They just love this guy and unfortunately a majority of Americans do as well.
    This is something you only see in dictatorship. Obama is viewed almost like some deity by the media. he can do no wrong!

    This is NOT about leftism but about fascism. Keynes and the New Deal have more to do with fascism than with Socialism.

    But the media then also were in the pocket for fascism and praised it without end.


  79. 81 | November 16, 2012 10:44 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Now I see it – should’ve known better – especially since I love the final scene of Dr. Strangelove.


  80. 82 | November 16, 2012 10:44 am

    Via Fox

    Former CIA Director David Petraeus testified in a closed-door hearing Friday morning that his agency determined immediately after the Sept. 11 Libya attack that “Al Qaeda involvement” was suspected — but the line was taken out in the final version circulated to administration officials, according to a top lawmaker who was briefed.


  81. citizen_q
    83 | November 16, 2012 10:44 am

    @ bluliner10:
    @ RIX:
    @ Iron Fist:
    One of the reasons that I am not so enamoured of FOX is the foisting schumcks like Geraldo on us as if they have opinions worth considering.

    OTOH, the alternative is what, MSLSD?


  82. huckfunn
    84 | November 16, 2012 10:45 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Silly Huck… That’s not slim Pickens, that’s Major “King” Kong…

    That was a great movie and a “must see” every time it comes on. I like the part where the Major is running through the inventory of the basic survival kit.


  83. 85 | November 16, 2012 10:45 am

    @ Rodan:

    I am going to text message my son to buy up some Twinkees and CupCakes at his store today.


  84. RIX
    86 | November 16, 2012 10:46 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ bluliner10:
    @ RIX:
    @ Iron Fist:

    One of the reasons that I am not so enamoured of FOX is the foisting schumcks like Geraldo on us as if they have opinions worth considering.

    OTOH, the alternative is what, MSLSD?

    They must be stuck with his contract.


  85. 87 | November 16, 2012 10:47 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    I am going to text message my son to buy up some Twinkees and CupCakes at his store today.

    I hear Twinkies will last forever, you could make them part of your estate! :)


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    88 | November 16, 2012 10:48 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    GM will go bankrupt again.

    Oh, come on—the Chevy Volt may cost GM $89,000 to make, and it may sell for only $40,000, but GM will make up the difference in volume sales.

    ///


  87. lobo91
    89 | November 16, 2012 10:49 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    GM will go bankrupt again.

    Oh, come on—the Chevy Volt may cost GM $89,000 to make, and it may sell for only $40,000, but GM will make up the difference in volume sales.

    ///

    Is that you, Secretary Geithner?
    //


  88. 90 | November 16, 2012 10:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m sure the union elite were telling the workers over and over again that the company was “bluffing” and that they’d capitulate. Wonder how Trumpka is going to spin this – bet this fat fuck lays low for a few weeks.

    I hear there were 18,500 workers but only 5,000 were union. Hope the other 13,500 find them and beat the shit out of them. The good thing is, Hostess will be able to sell off their name, etc., and I imagine if someone buys it and reopens it, the union won’t be showing up any time soon enticing others to join.

    This is, I think, really going to screw the UFCW in its plans to unionize WalMart – all WalMart needs to do is point to Hostess and tell it’s workers “yeah, look how the union helped THOSE folks.”


  89. buzzsawmonkey
    91 | November 16, 2012 10:51 am

    The fun part about Hostess petitioning the bankruptcy court to let it liquidate its assets is wondering whether the Obama Administration will illegally intervene in the bankruptcy process in favor of the unions, as it did with GM. With GM, they abrogated the legally-mandated order of creditor payments to toss money at the UAW.

    Here we have a company, Hostess, which throw 18,000 unionized employees out of a job if it liquidates. That is a situation ripe for the Administration’s intervention to prevent/forbid the company from doing so. The fun thing is that it pits the kiss-u-to-the-unions tenet of the Administration against the anti-junk-food wing of the Administration.


  90. 92 | November 16, 2012 10:52 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Shelf life of 167 years, I understand. Part of any survival kit!!


  91. 93 | November 16, 2012 10:54 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I was about to say – Moochelle would be whacking Obozo with a rolling pin if he helped the junk food industry. Even if that industry is reponsible for some tasty cakes!


  92. buzzsawmonkey
    94 | November 16, 2012 10:54 am

    I wonder what San Francisco thinks of the Hostess debacle. Not only is SF home of the “Twinkie defense,” but “twinkies” or “twinks” is SF slang for a young, blond, gay male bimbo.


  93. 95 | November 16, 2012 10:55 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Greg Gutfeld would be great as a talk show host. I like Rush, but I feel he belongs in another era and should actually look for someone from the younger generation to replace him.


  94. buzzsawmonkey
    96 | November 16, 2012 10:56 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Greg Gutfeld would be great as a talk show host. I like Rush, but I feel he belongs in another era and should actually look for someone from the younger generation to replace him.

    Why “replace?” The whole point of trying to build a counter-media is to hit a number of demographics with the same, or similar, message.


  95. 97 | November 16, 2012 10:57 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yeah, but the Union Bosses will still have jobs. Isn’t Trumpka part of teh Ebil 1%? Tax his ass off.


  96. 98 | November 16, 2012 10:57 am

    The suggestion over at Weasel Zippers is that Mitt Romney should purchase Hostess and reopen it!


  97. citizen_q
    99 | November 16, 2012 10:58 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    I half expect the union to sue the company for closing a losing operation. Profits are evil, and they should not look at it as losing their investment, but as redistribution, which is a civil right of the oppressed proletariat.
    /


  98. 100 | November 16, 2012 10:59 am

    @ Guggi:

    You are spot on and as a European you know Fascism when you see it. Obama’s Fascism is not Nationalistic, but it is still Fascism none the less.


  99. 101 | November 16, 2012 10:59 am

    On the positive side, the Dow is only down 723 points since Obama was reelected, and only down 1041 point’s since Oct 17th 2012.


  100. 102 | November 16, 2012 11:00 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Rodan — I don’t know if you heard Mark Levin’s show last night, but he had Greg Gutfeld on — and Greg reiterated what you have said over and over again — that it’s important to utilize the pop culture in any effort to promote conservative values (to that end, I have purchased both of Greg’s books off iBooks). This led of course to the inevitable discussion of Andy Brietbart.

    CG, I need some advice. I want to buy Greg’s book, bit I want it to be available on all of my apple devices (MacBook, both iPads and both iPhones) I’ve read that downloading the Kindle app will accomplish that, but the iBooks app won’t. Is that true?


  101. 103 | November 16, 2012 11:00 am

    @ Rodan:

    Rush still has 20 million listeners and more on the podcasts every day. He’s a frigging empire and still the gold standard. Even Hannity, who comes in second, only attracts half his audience. But Rush is in his 60′s – at some point within the next ten years he’s going to want to step down and enjoy his money and relax.

    What he should do is have Gutfeld substitute for him when he’s away. See what kind of audience Greg gets and the reaction to him. Greg could certainly promote his cross-over on his TV shows.

    Hannity? Are you listening?


  102. 104 | November 16, 2012 11:01 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    On the positive side, the Dow is only down 723 points since Obama was reelected, and only down 1041 point’s since Oct 17th 2012.

    The economy is booming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  103. 105 | November 16, 2012 11:02 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The fun part about Hostess petitioning the bankruptcy court to let it liquidate its assets is wondering whether the Obama Administration will illegally intervene in the bankruptcy process in favor of the unions, as it did with GM. With GM, they abrogated the legally-mandated order of creditor payments to toss money at the UAW.
    Here we have a company, Hostess, which throw 18,000 unionized employees out of a job if it liquidates. That is a situation ripe for the Administration’s intervention to prevent/forbid the company from doing so. The fun thing is that it pits the kiss-u-to-the-unions tenet of the Administration against the anti-junk-food wing of the Administration.

    Correction, only 5000 of Hostess’ employes were Union, the other 13,500 who were thrown out of work were not Union.


  104. 106 | November 16, 2012 11:02 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Exactly! That is one reason to admire Glen Beck. He struck out on his own, and is apparently being successful at it. There is a huge market for unbiased media out there. Fox News is the biggest provider for that right now, but there is a lot of media space that they don’t cover. Things like GBTV help to fill in the cracks. The market will drive this. MSNBC loses boatloads of money every year, while Fox makes boatloads. Sooner or later MSNBC will either wise up or go bankrupt. The same is true for the New York Times. They’ve already squandered their reputation as the “Newspaper of Record”. They are losing money. Either they find a model that makes them money or they wind up like Newsweek, which used to have a decent revenue stream.


  105. 107 | November 16, 2012 11:02 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Gutfeld understands what is going on./ Plus he mocks the Left. That is what we need is mockery.


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    108 | November 16, 2012 11:03 am

    Make conservatism stick
    Have Gutfeld try Limbaugh schtick
    Put him on the radio
    And guest host the Limbaugh show…


  107. 109 | November 16, 2012 11:03 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Not true – if you have the Cloud – your book will appear on your iPad and your iPhone at the time of purchase (it did on mine). It should also appear in your iTunes on your computer. If for some reason it does not, you can always transfer the purchase into iTunes from the iPhone or iPad.

    And I have a PC, not a Mac, and this system works great.


  108. 110 | November 16, 2012 11:03 am

    Rodan wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    On the positive side, the Dow is only down 723 points since Obama was reelected, and only down 1041 point’s since Oct 17th 2012.

    The economy is booming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yup… Booming like a 10 megaton nuclear explosion… :twisted: :shock:


  109. Guggi
    111 | November 16, 2012 11:04 am

    Rep. King on Petraeus Benghazi testimony: ‘Clear terrorist involvement’

    please, watch the vid


  110. buzzsawmonkey
    112 | November 16, 2012 11:04 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The same is true for the New York Times. They’ve already squandered their reputation as the “Newspaper of Record”. They are losing money.

    I thought they were “the Newspaper of the Broken Record.” And in an iPod world, yet.


  111. 113 | November 16, 2012 11:04 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    GMTA Buzz!!!!


  112. 114 | November 16, 2012 11:05 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    They should have realized they were in trouble when Apple stopped featuring them in this ads and website where they were showing an example for the Safari browser.


  113. 115 | November 16, 2012 11:06 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ Rodan:

    Gutfeld is my new favorite guy. Anyone who has a DVR and isn’t taping “Red Eye” is seriously missing out!

    He’s the embodiment of Breitbart’s goal of conservatives embracing pop culture and unsung it to their advantage.


  114. 116 | November 16, 2012 11:06 am

    @ Guggi:

    The sad part is this none of this will matter. The American people don’t care about Benghazi. The majority love Obama and would slit their wrists for him.


  115. 117 | November 16, 2012 11:07 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Not true — if you have the Cloud — your book will appear on your iPad and your iPhone at the time of purchase (it did on mine). It should also appear in your iTunes on your computer. If for some reason it does not, you can always transfer the purchase into iTunes from the iPhone or iPad.

    And I have a PC, not a Mac, and this system works great.

    Beautiful! Thanks!


  116. 119 | November 16, 2012 11:09 am

    @ MacDuff:

    You’re welcome — I double checked – and yep, the book, purchased on my iPad, is also already on my iPhone.

    Check your “Cloud” settings on your devices, though, to make sure the Cloud is activated.


  117. Guggi
    120 | November 16, 2012 11:10 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    The sad part is this none of this will matter. The American people don’t care about Benghazi. The majority love Obama and would slit their wrists for him.

    …as the Italian did for Mussolini.


  118. buzzsawmonkey
    121 | November 16, 2012 11:12 am

    @ Guggi:

    Here we have a connection to the “disavowal of middleclassness” which was a tenet of Jeremiah Wright’s church.


  119. 122 | November 16, 2012 11:12 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I get flack for saying this but screw it. The biggest mistake Conservatives did was when they followed the 41st President in starting a culture war. yes the entertainment industry leans Left, but by picking a fight with them it made Conservatives look like angry scolds and turned off many people.

    A better approach would have been to co-opt the popular culture and use it to promote Conservative/Libertarian ideas. But too many on the Right have invested nearly 20 + years in the culture war. The result is that the Culture is more Leftist now than when the 41st president declared war on the popular culture by attacking Murphy Brown and having that Nazi scum, pat Buchanan give that terrible convention speech in 92.

    The culture war as a stupid idea and it help set the stagefor Obama. Many will not like my take on this, but it’s the truth.


  120. 123 | November 16, 2012 11:13 am

    @ Guggi:

    At least Mussolini loved his country. Obama, not so much. Plus Il Duce was funnier! :-)


  121. huckfunn
    124 | November 16, 2012 11:14 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ Rodan:

    Gutfeld is my new favorite guy. Anyone who has a DVR and isn’t taping “Red Eye” is seriously missing out!

    He’s the embodiment of Breitbart’s goal of conservatives embracing pop culture and unsung it to their advantage.

    Gutfeld’s a hoot. I love that furrowed brow thing he’s got. Yesterday on The Five he said that the regime is trying to “reverse engineer” the Benghazi debacle and he’s exactly right.


  122. Guggi
    125 | November 16, 2012 11:17 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Here we have a connection to the “disavowal of middleclassness” which was a tenet of Jeremiah Wright’s church.

    Yep and who is actually destroying the middle class while schmoozing the “avant-garde” ?


  123. 126 | November 16, 2012 11:18 am

    Guggi wrote:

    holding homosexuality to be morally superior

    Queer kind of “morality”, but it does get to my thesis that no matter what, the State will wind up enforcing some kind of morality. The question is only “What kind?”


  124. Guggi
    127 | November 16, 2012 11:19 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    At least Mussolini loved his country. Obama, not so much. Plus Il Duce was funnier!

    …at least he could speak a whole sentence without stuttering.


  125. 128 | November 16, 2012 11:22 am

    @ Guggi:

    He also actually fought for his country.


  126. buzzsawmonkey
    129 | November 16, 2012 11:25 am

    Rodan wrote:

    The culture war as a stupid idea and it help set the stagefor Obama. Many will not like my take on this, but it’s the truth.

    The problem is not “culture war” as such; the culture war exists, and it is a battle which must be joined. Why? Because the Left’s very success in the US is based upon the concept of culture war.

    It is by instilling Leftist culture war tenets—”science” is in opposition to, and superior to, “religion,” and a source of morality; abortion is a secular sacrament, not a necessary evil at best; homosexual behavior is either innate, or a smorgasbord lifestyle choice, as political advantage dictates, and morally equal to if not superior to heterosexual behavior; it is right and proper that government policy should routinely interfere in family and child-rearing; etc.—as givens which are beyond argument, that the Left has built and maintains its base. These propositions are all a matter of culture war, and all must be attacked and destroyed.

    The problem is that conservatives approach this cultural shift, decades in the making and well entrenched, latterly and on a wholly individual, uncoordinated, catch as catch can basis—and as a result get flattened as surely as a lone man standing before a tank in Tiannanmen Square.

    The culture war must be fought—but like any other war it must be fought intelligently, with strategy and coordination. It is because these things are lacking that culture war skirmishes are losers now.


  127. buzzsawmonkey
    130 | November 16, 2012 11:28 am

    @ Rodan:

    I would add that Limbaugh has become precisely the media powerhouse he is because he is fighting the culture war—as a Horatius at the bridge.


  128. 131 | November 16, 2012 11:32 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I would add that Limbaugh has become precisely the media powerhouse he is because he is fighting the culture war—as a Horatius at the bridge.

    Indeed, though to tell the truth he narrowly avoided being Leonidas at Thermopylae… :shock: :razz:


  129. Fritz Katz
    132 | November 16, 2012 11:32 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    I am going to text message my son to buy up some Twinkees and CupCakes at his store today.

    I hear Twinkies will last forever, you could make them part of your estate!

    We are all officially now in Zombieland…

    Tallahassee addresses this very subject and he says you’re wrong, Carolina Girl & Rodan. Twinkies do have an expiration date!
    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1vYj0E2Hr0
    Rhetorical questions: Who are the zombies? And how are we going to get rid of them?


  130. 133 | November 16, 2012 11:36 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The culture war must be fought—but like any other war it must be fought intelligently, with strategy and coordination. It is because these things are lacking that culture war skirmishes are losers now.

    That’s my sentiment. The mistake Conservatives have done is attack TV shows and music. It makes them come across as scolds and turn off younger people. A better approach would be dealing with how the culture is now and adopt it for Conservative reasoning.

    Here’s an example. Young people have a hedonistic streak. Run ads showing Guys in Yachts with hot women in exotic locations. Explain how Capitalism will give you the opportunity to achieve this. Use images that attract young people. Going out there and condemning the youth and criticizing TV shows turns people off. A better approach is needed.

    So you and I are actually on the same page. The culture war needs to be fought smarter, not like how Santorum, Huckabee, Akins, the 41st President and the 43rd President have done. Their approach has done more harm than good.


  131. 134 | November 16, 2012 11:38 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The truth is that Limbaugh is not well liked outside of Conservative circles. we need to get people who will be liked by the broader audience. Limbaugh has done his job, now its time for new people take up what he did but with mass appeal.


  132. 135 | November 16, 2012 11:39 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I get flack for saying this but screw it. The biggest mistake Conservatives did was when they followed the 41st President in starting a culture war. yes the entertainment industry leans Left, but by picking a fight with them it made Conservatives look like angry scolds and turned off many people.

    A better approach would have been to co-opt the popular culture and use it to promote Conservative/Libertarian ideas. But too many on the Right have invested nearly 20 + years in the culture war. The result is that the Culture is more Leftist now than when the 41st president declared war on the popular culture by attacking Murphy Brown and having that Nazi scum, pat Buchanan give that terrible convention speech in 92.

    The culture war as a stupid idea and it help set the stagefor Obama. Many will not like my take on this, but it’s the truth.

    You’ll get no flak from me, making war on popular culture has always been a losing ploy. They tried to make war on Elvis because he was “too suggestive” and on the Beatles because Lennon said that the Beatles were “more popular than Jesus”. Hell, they tried to make war on Rock ‘n Roll in the 50s, Swing Jazz on the 40s, and Jazz itself in the 20s and 30s (“Flappers” were the end of modern civilization)

    There’s no daylight between us on this subject, my friend. We needn’t necessarily justify everything that pop culture represents, but condemnation and scolding never has, and never will have any place in politics.


  133. buzzsawmonkey
    136 | November 16, 2012 11:39 am

    The Hostess cupcake mournfully sings the Louis Armstrong classic “What Did I Do to Be So Black and Blue?”:

    I’m white inside
    But that don’t help my case
    ‘Cause I can’t hide
    What is on my face?


  134. eaglesoars
    137 | November 16, 2012 11:40 am

    good morning-afternoon! I had an interesting conversation yesterday w/some of the angels that clean our house. They’re all from Peru and guess what? They think Americans are the dumbest people on the planet for re-electing Obama. “Miss eaglesoars, why do Americans not see this? We might as well have stayed in Peru. There is trouble coming, you watch”

    I said, “No, Jill, it’s not COMING, it’s HERE”

    I have a friend, Eva, from Ukraine and she is just BESIDE herself. “Where do we go now?”

    I’m listening to the Chris Plante radio show. Three people have called in from Maryland – they’re all leaving. Montana, Wyoming, S. Dakota.

    Those are just the ones calling in. All 3 own their own businesses


  135. buzzsawmonkey
    138 | November 16, 2012 11:42 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Jazz itself in the 20s and 30s (“Flappers” were the end of modern civilization)

    Masculine Women, Feminine Men—1926.


  136. 139 | November 16, 2012 11:42 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Those are just the ones calling in. All 3 own their own businesses

    Clearly they are all EVIL… :twisted:


  137. eaglesoars
    140 | November 16, 2012 11:44 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The truth is that Limbaugh is not well liked outside of Conservative circles. we need to get people who will be liked by the broader audience. Limbaugh has done his job, now its time for new people take up what he did but with mass appeal.

    A few days ago a young woman from Young Republicans had a piece in WSJ on how conservatives can win elections. Jettisoning Limbaugh was one of her suggestions.

    This is why we don’t let children run the country. She obviously never listened to him- didn’t matter if he’s right or wrong – he’s just polarizing.

    Allowing lies to stand unchallenged…………..


  138. eaglesoars
    141 | November 16, 2012 11:46 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Clearly they are all EVIL…

    Oh, yeah. I expect liberals to start calling in any minute to say these people should just start cutting their own paychecks first (they have but liberals don’t listen – they just yammer)


  139. 142 | November 16, 2012 11:47 am

    @ MacDuff:

    We need to use the pop culture for our advantage!


  140. 143 | November 16, 2012 11:48 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Of course Limbaugh has a bigger audience than any of the MFM talking heads, so we should just jettison him? Brilliant! I bet she unloads her guns before battle, too… :roll:


  141. lobo91
    144 | November 16, 2012 11:50 am

    Did anyone catch Obama’s opening remarks for today’s “budget summit”?

    He mentioned how Republican and Democrat leaders and their dependents were coming together to fix the problem.

    When did we become “dependents” of the government?


  142. 145 | November 16, 2012 11:51 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    It is time for a new generation of Conservatives to take over. I am not calling for getting rid of Limbaugh, just expanding what he has done to a broader audience.

    Even with that said, unless we deal with the 800 pound gorilla (the media) we can get a porn actress to be our voice and she still would be demonized.

    It’s not Rush who is the problem, it’s the Marxist media!


  143. eaglesoars
    146 | November 16, 2012 11:51 am

    Another caller. Mother-in-law has cancer. Not wealthy people. She’s considering asking her children to help her end her life before Jan 1 2013 so that her (modest) estate will not be taxed into vapor and she has something left to leave to her family


  144. 147 | November 16, 2012 11:53 am

    <@ Rodan:

    Janet Reno attacked television as too violent – which was why Michael Moriarty left “Law and Order.” Tipper Gore, wife of a prominent Democrat, attacked the music industry. I’m afraid I don’t even remember the “culture war” of Bush 41.

    @ Fritz Katz:

    Rhetorical questions: Who are the zombies? And how are we going to get rid of them?

    Quick – someone find that Bob Hope video clip!


  145. 148 | November 16, 2012 11:53 am

    @ lobo91:

    Democrat leaders and their dependents

    That is the key give away right there.


  146. 149 | November 16, 2012 11:54 am

    DG – I notice the Dow just shot up something like 100 points in half an hour – what happened?


  147. 150 | November 16, 2012 11:56 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I’m afraid I don’t even remember the “culture war” of Bush 41

    Murphy Brown, school prayer, Pro-Life Amendment and Family values. This is what caused the fracture in the GOP in 92 that enabled Ross Perot. This is how the wealthy suburbs went from Republican to Democrat. These were noble goals, but people don’t being lectured.


  148. 151 | November 16, 2012 11:57 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    When did we become “dependents” of the government?

    If you are on welfare, you are more than just dependant. The government owns you as surely as any slave in the antebellum South was owned.


  149. 153 | November 16, 2012 11:59 am

    Rodan wrote:

    This is what caused the fracture in the GOP in 92 that enabled Ross Perot.

    That absolutely is not what caused the fracture in the GOP in ’92. Bush I pissing in the face of the base is what caused that. His breaking his pledge not to raise taxes and his advancement of gun control through executive order cost him 21 million votes. I should know. I was one of those votes. Murphy Brown was a distraction.


  150. eaglesoars
    154 | November 16, 2012 12:01 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Remember Richard Darmen? I wonder whatever happened to him.


  151. 155 | November 16, 2012 12:01 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    DG — I notice the Dow just shot up something like 100 points in half an hour — what happened?

    Sidereal reaction to Hostess. Hostess going out of business means profit for Hostess competitors.


  152. 156 | November 16, 2012 12:02 pm

    Speaking of stupid media – a tweet from the AP:

    Air raid sirens in Jerusalem signal a possible rocket attack aimed at Israel’s self-declared capital: apne.ws/ZXOoMR -KH (correction) [the original article simply stated that Jerusalem was the capitol]

    I must have missed the change in policy where a country had arrange for an international vote on what it’s capitol city would be – or do they call Washington D.C. the “self-declared” capitol of the U.S.A.?


  153. 157 | November 16, 2012 12:04 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I wondered if that might be the case. Little Debbie must be going through the roof.


  154. eaglesoars
    158 | November 16, 2012 12:06 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    DG — I notice the Dow just shot up something like 100 points in half an hour — what happened?

    Sidereal reaction to Hostess. Hostess going out of business means profit for Hostess competitors.

    I respectfully disagree. I think Boehner caved and they think they’ve avoided the cliff


  155. 159 | November 16, 2012 12:06 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I wonder who told them to make the correction? Abu abu bin Blowinshitup would be my guess. I can just imagine some indignant Muzz shouting “Change it or I KEEEEEEEEL you!” :roll:


  156. buzzsawmonkey
    160 | November 16, 2012 12:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Murphy Brown was a distraction.

    Yesterday here I pointed out that while people—well, some people—can easily connect deficit spending and a burgeoning national debt with economic decline, it is far more difficult to get people to see how an intangible “rights” claim can also damage the body politic and the society.

    I was referring to the difficulty many people have in seeing that the push for same-sex “marriage” under the rubric of “equality” and “civil rights” is actually a human-rights assault on the very concept of civil rights, and a multi-pronged attack on First Amendment protections. The rights at issue are not tangible; the damage is slow and inexorable but invisible; the language used to do the damage is familiar and comforting.

    That is why the attack on Murphy Brown, while ill-conceived and unsuccessful, was the right thing to do, wrongly executed; Murphy Brown’s glorification of single motherhood leads inexorably to Sandra Fluke and Obama’s “Julia” brochure.


  157. 161 | November 16, 2012 12:08 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I think Boehner caved and they think they’ve avoided the cliff

    Yeah, they don’t realize that any deal Obama will agree to will be worse for the economy than the Cliff. That’s why he jacked up the taxes he wants. Not so he can cut spending, that’s for sure.


  158. 162 | November 16, 2012 12:09 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Could be, but it still wasn’t the reason 21 million people broke with the GOP in 1992. That was my main point.


  159. 163 | November 16, 2012 12:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It depends where in the country a person was. I know many Economic Conservatives who went for Perot because Bush was worried about Murphy Brown and not the budget deficit/economy. The Pat Buchanan speech also turned people off. That’s when the wealthy suburbs went from Rep to Dem. 1992 changed everything.

    So you and I are both right. What you observe and what I observed don’t contradict each other.


  160. 164 | November 16, 2012 12:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It was a factor plus the Buchanan speech.


  161. eaglesoars
    165 | November 16, 2012 12:13 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Not so he can cut spending, that’s for sure.

    Boehner needs to go. He takes every one of Obama’s lies at face value. Like the man ever told the truth in his life.

    Well, except for the ‘redistribution’ part.


  162. buzzsawmonkey
    166 | November 16, 2012 12:13 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Could be, but it still wasn’t the reason 21 million people broke with the GOP in 1992. That was my main point.

    Oh, I agree with you there. I’m just pointing out that it is important to draw lines in the culture war earlier rather than later.

    I realize that I may appear to be one of those figures, beloved of single-frame cartoons, with the long beard and the burlap tunic and a picket sign saying “the end is nigh,” on the subject of same-sex marriage. But, having been involved—back in my ACLU days—with a major gay-rights initiative that even then left me uneasy (though I did not yet understand why) with its use of the term “human rights,” I am trying to get people to understand—without resorting to distracting moralizing—precisely why the same-sex marriage campaign, which looks so trivial and should be marginal, is actually an extremely dangerous initiative.


  163. 167 | November 16, 2012 12:13 pm

    New Thread.


  164. eaglesoars
    168 | November 16, 2012 12:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Pat Buchanan speech also turned people off.

    Oh yeah, I’d forgotten about that. “Cultural jihad” or something wasn’t it?


  165. 169 | November 16, 2012 12:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    We can all argue here until our faces are blue what works and what doesn’t. But here is the truth. Until something is done about the media’s power, nothing will change and Conservatives will have a hard time being able to convince people we are right.


  166. 170 | November 16, 2012 12:20 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Pat Buchanan coined the phrase Culture war. That speech lost the Northeastern and Midwestern suburbs for the GOP. Look at the electoral map before 92 and after. That was one of the most decisive moments in American politics. The image of the GOP has never recovered from that speech.

    I’ll give you an example. When I entered HS in 89, being a Republican was viewed as cool. It meant you were patriotic, had money, drove nice cars, had hot women and went on cool vacation. When I graduated in 93, being a Republican was not cool and the image was of an old grouch complaining about family values and TV shows. I saw first hand the damage that Buchanan speech and Bush 41′s campaign did to the image of the GOP.


  167. 171 | November 16, 2012 12:21 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    DG — I notice the Dow just shot up something like 100 points in half an hour — what happened?
    Sidereal reaction to Hostess. Hostess going out of business means profit for Hostess competitors.

    I respectfully disagree. I think Boehner caved and they think they’ve avoided the cliff

    The talks haven’t been going on long enough yet for Boehner to have caved yet, no what is moving the market is something else. The Stock Market is an odd creature, the way it responds to events is,well unpredictable to say the lest. Usually is responds in advance of an event by several weeks, I can’t tell you why or how it does it, but it is a pretty well documented fact.

    The reaction today was either a knee jerk reaction to something that already happened today (in which case the gains will disappear by market close), or it’s an anticipation of something that is a couple of weeks out.


  168. eaglesoars
    172 | November 16, 2012 12:28 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    The talks haven’t been going on long enough yet for Boehner to have caved yet, no what is moving the market is something else

    Great timing. The ubiquitous post-European close trend-reversal was extended by some ‘nothing’ comments from Boehner that every media outlet is inferring means everything’s fixed and compromise is close. It’s not – what did we expect him to say?

    Boehner says talks with Obama were constructive. Outlined a
    framework with Obama; Will accept revenue if spending cuts
    AAPL jumped up to VWAP and S&P 500 futures coincidentally reached overnight highs/stops. Now let’s see if anyone really believes…


  169. eaglesoars
    173 | November 16, 2012 12:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I saw first hand the damage that Buchanan speech and Bush 41′s campaign did to the image of the GOP.

    Oh, boy, I DO remember those days. I don’t think Dan Quayle helped much either.


  170. 174 | November 16, 2012 12:38 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Nope.


  171. 175 | November 16, 2012 12:52 pm

    A very good piece on the Hostess closing on Breitbart. It’s at once sad and infuriating. Even the damned Teamsters crossed the picket line.

    The company was asking for a 4% pay cut over 5 years. 70% of the non-union workers accepted it.

    I think if I were one of the non-union workers that’s now unemployed, I’d be willing to visit some violence upon these union thugs who destroyed my job.

    Later, peeps.


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