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The case against Susan Rice is based on more than just her Sunday talk show deceptions

by Speranza ( 246 Comments › )
Filed under Iran, Israel, Libya, Syria, United Nations at November 16th, 2012 - 12:00 pm

We  have not had a worse U.N. Ambassador since the Andrew Young days during the Carter Administration.

by Richard Grenell

Most reporters haven’t been following Ambassador Susan Rice’s performance at the United Nations since her appointment in January 2009. To many journalists, Rice’s misleading interviews on the five Sunday Shows the weekend after the 9/11/12 terrorist attacks that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others were one of the first times they had heard from her.  To veteran foreign policy observers, Rice’s shameful performance that Sunday was one of many blunders over the last four years.

Rice’s refusal to answer questions about why she blamed the Benghazi violence on a YouTube video was met Wednesday with a feisty defense from President Obama saying don’t blame Rice because the White House sent her out to do the Sunday shows. The “stop picking on Susan” retort from the president looked like a big brother defending his little sister on the playground.  It was an odd moment for a woman wanting to be America’s top diplomat.

[……….]

The case against Susan Rice has been building for years with little fanfare. Not surprising, the mainstream media reporters based at the UN have either ignored her mistakes or strategically covered them up.

The Washington Post’s UN reporter Colum Lynch even wrote a glowing profile of Rice on September 23 – a week after her Sunday shows debacle – where he didn’t mention the Libya controversy until the 13th paragraph (a Washington Post staffer told me that editors had to add language about the Libya controversy to the piece).

Rice’s diplomatic failures and silence in the face of outrageous UN antics have given the United States pathetic representation among the 193 members of the world body.  UN members, not surprisingly, prefer a weak opponent.  Rice is therefore popular with her colleagues.  It may explain why she ignored Syria’s growing problems for months.

[……..]

Ironically, Rice was very critical of the US’s performance at the UN under President George W. Bush and vowed to build better relationships with every country. In her current stump speech Rice claims with a straight face that her goal has been accomplished, “We’ve repaired frayed relations with countries around the world.  We’ve ended needless American isolation on a wide range of issues. And as a consequence, we’ve gotten strong cooperation on things that matter most to our national security interest.”

Rice has been consistently silent on other important issues and ineffective when she does engage. She skipped Security Council meetings when Israel needed defending and even failed to show up for the emergency session on the Gaza Flotilla incident.

Rice didn’t even show up for the first two emergency Security Council meetings on the unfolding Arab Spring revolution last year.  Rice stayed silent when Iran was elected to the U.N. women’s committee, she didn’t call out Libya when it was elected to the Human Rights Council, she was absent from the Haiti crisis meeting and was a no-show for the last open meeting scheduled before the planned UN vote to recognize Palestinian statehood.  When she actually does show up, she is a miserable failure.

[………]

Rice’s one and only Iran resolution was almost 30 months ago.  And it passed with just 12 votes of support – the least support we have ever seen for a Security Council sanctions resolution on Iran.  In fact, Rice lost more support with her one resolution than the previous five Iran resolutions combined.  She may claim she has repaired relationships with other countries but the evidence shows she’s gotten less support than the team she ridicules.

Whether the issue is Sudan, Egypt, North Korea, Israel or Rwanda, Rice has been either missing in action or unable to deliver a quick and effective resolution.

The Rice record at the UN speaks for itself.  Anyone looking objectively at what she has or hasn’t accomplished during her tenure will deduce she has failed to convince UN members to support US priority issues.  Nominating Susan Rice for Secretary of State is a mistake not just because of her Sunday show deceptions but because her tenure as America’s representative to the UN has been unworthy of a promotion.

Read the rest –  Susan Rice’s miserable record at the UN

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246 Responses to “The case against Susan Rice is based on more than just her Sunday talk show deceptions”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | November 16, 2012 12:02 pm

    Hillary Clinton as Sec. of State was not much better.


  2. Speranza
    2 | November 16, 2012 12:12 pm

    I will say this about Susan Rice, she is rather good looking.


  3. 3 | November 16, 2012 12:17 pm

    I try to picture what would have happened if George Bush had proffered John Bolton as Secretary of State – heck, didn’t he have to make him a recess appointment to the U.N.?


  4. huckfunn
    4 | November 16, 2012 12:18 pm

    Whether the issue is Sudan, Egypt, North Korea, Israel or Rwanda, Rice has been either missing in action or unable to deliver a quick and effective resolution.

    Susan Rice is Exhibit “A” of the regime’s policy of leading with their behinds.


  5. buzzsawmonkey
    5 | November 16, 2012 12:18 pm

    Outrage over Rice is the official dish of the Obama Administration.


  6. eaglesoars
    6 | November 16, 2012 12:19 pm

    Why bust Rice’s chops? She’s just doing her master’s bidding.


  7. pat
    7 | November 16, 2012 12:23 pm

    The problem for Rice was she was a left-wing Israeli hating technocrat of some ability, stuck in a job requiring an American loving tough person. I am sure it does not help that her husband is the ABC news producer. Wonder how that works?


  8. huckfunn
    8 | November 16, 2012 12:24 pm

    Rush is expounding on the Rice-Petraeus-Benghazi debacle right now.


  9. 9 | November 16, 2012 12:24 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Responded on the previous thread.


  10. bluliner10
    10 | November 16, 2012 12:25 pm

    Our reputation in the world is as low as it has ever been.


  11. 11 | November 16, 2012 12:26 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Why bust Rice’s chops? She’s just doing her master’s bidding.

    To prevent her from becoming SOS.


  12. 12 | November 16, 2012 12:27 pm

    The reports that I am seeing say Petraeus has testified (now) that he knew immediately that the Benghazi attack was terrorism and likely al Qaeda related, and that the CIA reported it as such but that someone unknown changed the talking points before they got to Susan Rice. I call bullshit on the latter statement. If Rice went on those Sunday shows and lied accidentally, both she and Obama would be outraged at whomever changed those talking points. They aren’t, ergo she lied to the public knowingly. Further, Obama went to the UN some two weeks later and he was still making the stupid assertion that this was al over a video on the internet. Why was that?


  13. 13 | November 16, 2012 12:28 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The sad part is none of this means a hill of beans.


  14. huckfunn
    14 | November 16, 2012 12:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    As Greg Gutfeld said yesterday on The Five, the regime is trying to reverse engineer this debacle.
    Fail.


  15. bluliner10
    15 | November 16, 2012 12:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Petraeus also stated it was a reaction to the video. But that is not the question, whether it was spontaneous reaction to a stupid video or the most deliberately planned operation in modern history, what did the President do about it????? DCI would know the answer to that.


  16. pat
    16 | November 16, 2012 12:31 pm

    Iraq demands oil boycott against the USA.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/with_friends_like_these_1.html

    How did that go Susan?
    (she likely agrees)


  17. eaglesoars
    17 | November 16, 2012 12:32 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Why was that?

    And who found that video? That came out of left field. That guy is still in jail and he’ll be staying there to keep him quiet.


  18. eaglesoars
    18 | November 16, 2012 12:33 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    To prevent her from becoming SOS.

    point taken


  19. waldensianspirit
    19 | November 16, 2012 12:34 pm

    pat wrote:

    Iraq demands oil boycott against the USA.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/with_friends_like_these_1.html
    How did that go Susan?
    (she likely agrees)

    Don’t we still have all those gps coordinates?


  20. buzzsawmonkey
    20 | November 16, 2012 12:34 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    And who found that video? That came out of left field. That guy is still in jail and he’ll be staying there to keep him quiet.

    I find it odd that both ends of this dizzy Benghazi affair has shadowy Arab figures lurking; the “Mohammed” filmmaker, and this Kelley woman.


  21. huckfunn
    21 | November 16, 2012 12:35 pm

    Uh-oh! Here we go again.
    2 missing in Louisiana oil rig explosion that killed 2, injured 4 others


  22. Alberta Oil Peon
    22 | November 16, 2012 12:37 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Why bust Rice’s chops? She’s just doing her master’s bidding.

    I was about to say the same thing. You can be sure all those missed meetings were missed on orders from the White House or Hillary. Rice is no more than a sock puppet for the Administration.


  23. 23 | November 16, 2012 12:40 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Petraeus also stated it was a reaction to the video.

    That is why I said now. He had previously testified that it was a reaction to the video. Why did he change his testimony? It was a closed-door hearing, so I don’t know, but surely somebody asked him that question. I’d like to know the answer to it. But you are right, regardless of the cause Obama’s reaction to it is what is key. We still haven’t done anything about it. There were apparently al Qaeda training camps all around Benghazi, and we haven’t bombed one of them yet. This thing smells of collusion, but I doubt we’ll ever get to the truth of it.


  24. eaglesoars
    24 | November 16, 2012 12:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I find it odd that both ends of this dizzy Benghazi affair has shadowy Arab figures lurking; the “Mohammed” filmmaker, and this Kelley woman.

    I’d like to know more about her twin, Natalie, who a divorce court judge said had problems w/’personal integrity’.

    Between the 2 of them they’re over $3 mil in debt and two of Kelley’s homes are being foreclosed.

    Nice people. Total frauds.


  25. 25 | November 16, 2012 12:42 pm

    @ pat:

    Ingrates. let this be a lesson, no more Democracy building crap in the Islamic world.


  26. 26 | November 16, 2012 12:42 pm

    A good little summary (with links) at Instapundit.


  27. Guggi
    27 | November 16, 2012 12:42 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Petraeus also stated it was a reaction to the video.

    First and direct after the attack he said it was a terrorist attack but a day later he backed down to the “vid-demonstration”-fairy tail. Why ?


  28. 28 | November 16, 2012 12:44 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I find it odd that both ends of this dizzy Benghazi affair has shadowy Arab figures lurking; the “Mohammed” filmmaker, and this Kelley woman.

    They are Lebanese Christians. There family field the civil war in Lebanon. Not all Arabs are Muslims or involved with Islam. Lebanese Christian women love the good life and the spotlight. These 2 ladies love the glamor life.


  29. eaglesoars
    29 | November 16, 2012 12:44 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Don’t we still have all those gps coordinates?

    The coordinates we really need are all in Chicago.

    I’d bet the ranch – if I had one – that his goes right back to those thugs.


  30. huckfunn
    30 | November 16, 2012 12:45 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Rodan:
    Rush dissecting this issue right now. Audio clips from Congressman King.


  31. 31 | November 16, 2012 12:45 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    They are just high strung Lebanese Christian women who love the glamorous life. Nothing more and nothing less. I know from my own family about these types.


  32. eaglesoars
    32 | November 16, 2012 12:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    They are just high strung Lebanese Christian women who love the glamorous life. Nothing more and nothing less. I know from my own family about these types.

    I too have known ‘the type’ -in my case Coptic Egyptians. Crimeny, those women could melt an Amex card faster than you can say SAKS.


  33. bluliner10
    33 | November 16, 2012 12:49 pm

    IF, I understand you

    (NOW!)

    sorry, had to do that. I am following your train of thought, and I am a little discouraged by the questioning. Perhaps it is time to put questions into Darrel Issa’s hands and hope he asks them. In a public hearing.


  34. 34 | November 16, 2012 12:52 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    You got it! My Lebanese-Dominican relatives in DR and here in Miami just love to spend money and date only guys with money. They love the jet set scene and tend to live above their means.


  35. 35 | November 16, 2012 12:53 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Perhaps it is time to put questions into Darrel Issa’s hands and hope he asks them. In a public hearing.

    It would be nice. There is no reason that the name of whomever changed the tlking points should be classified. No reason, indeed, that they shouldn’t be subpeonaed and forced to testify about who gave them the instructions to do so. We need to get to the bottom of this. We also need to respond to it. The lesson that al Qaeda is learning from this is that they can kill Ambassadors with impugnity. That is a very dangerous lesson to be teaching them. This is a much worse disaster than the Blackhawk Down incident, and has been handled much more shamefully.


  36. bluliner10
    36 | November 16, 2012 12:54 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:
    Petraeus also stated it was a reaction to the video.
    First and direct after the attack he said it was a terrorist attack but a day later he backed down to the “vid-demonstration”-fairy tail. Why ?

    Because his legacy, reputation and 4 star pension. If he has any integrity, he will burst the dam on this story. He will lose everything else anyways.


  37. Alberta Oil Peon
    37 | November 16, 2012 12:54 pm

    @ Rodan:
    And the Copts in Egypt, and the Christians in Lebanon (and Syria), have, I hate to say it, absorbed by osmosis, much of the arab muslim “inshallah” fatalism, and much of their anti-Semitism. islam has poisoned the well.


  38. 38 | November 16, 2012 12:54 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Perhaps it is time to put questions into Darrel Issa’s hands and hope he asks them. In a public hearing.

    Darrel Issa is a worthless fraud who lives less than 40 miles from me, I have had business dealings with him and I can tell you, he doesn’t do anything that he doesn’t personally profit from. Why has “Fast and Furious” gone absolutely nowhere, because the investigation was never anything more than a political chess move to gain Darrel Issa and the GOP elite Leadership some kind of political leverage.


  39. eaglesoars
    39 | November 16, 2012 12:56 pm

    Rush is saying some female congressional members are saying McCain is just an old, racist, white guy who needs to stop picking on a black woman.

    Somehow I don’t think it’s gonna work


  40. eaglesoars
    40 | November 16, 2012 12:59 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    If he has any integrity,

    Maybe I’m being too harsh, but I lost any respect for Patraeus as soon as he agreed to join the Obama admin.


  41. bluliner10
    41 | November 16, 2012 1:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Ironically, the Blackhawk Down incident was a tactical victory. Which led directly to an operational surrender as the TF pulled out as fast as they could. The story became a modern Tet Offensive.


  42. 42 | November 16, 2012 1:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:
    If he has any integrity,
    Maybe I’m being too harsh, but I lost any respect for Patraeus as soon as he agreed to join the Obama admin.

    I lost it even before than, right about the time I heard that he approved the new even more restrictive ROE’s.


  43. Speranza
    43 | November 16, 2012 1:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:
    If he has any integrity,

    Maybe I’m being too harsh, but I lost any respect for Patraeus as soon as he agreed to join the Obama admin.

    Moi aussi. Also don’t forget the idiotic politically correct “rules of engagement” he initiated that caused so many Americans to be either killed or maimed.


  44. Guggi
    44 | November 16, 2012 1:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    They are Lebanese Christians. There family field the civil war in Lebanon. Not all Arabs are Muslims or involved with Islam.

    Free Patriotic Movement

    The Free Patriotic Movement (FPM)….is a Lebanese political party, led by Gebran Bassil. It is the second largest party in Lebanon’s parliament (after the Future Movement) and the largest party in the Christian half of the parliament. It has 18 out of the 128 seats in parliament (of which 64 seats represent Christians).

    (…)

    Memorandum of Understanding between the FPM and Hezbollah

    In 2006, the FPM signed a memorandum of understanding with Hezbollah organizing their relation and discussing Hezbollah’s disarmament, given some conditions. The second and third conditions for disarmament were the return of Lebanese prisoners from Israeli jails and the elaboration of a defense strategy to protect Lebanon from the Israeli threat. The agreement also discussed the importance of having normal diplomatic relations with Syria and the request for information about the Lebanese political prisoners in Syria and the return of all political prisoners and diaspora in Israel.

    (…)

    On December 1, 2006,[1] Free Patriotic Movement leader Michel Aoun declared to a crowd of protesters that the current government of Lebanon was unconstitutional, claiming that the government had “made corruption a daily affair” and called for the resignation on the government.[2] Hundred of thousands of supporters of this party, Amal Movement, and Hezbollah, according to the Internal Security Forces (ISF), gathered at Downtown Beirut trying to force Fouad Siniora to abdicate.


  45. 45 | November 16, 2012 1:01 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Ironically, the Blackhawk Down incident was a tactical victory. Which led directly to an operational surrender as the TF pulled out as fast as they could. The story became a modern Tet Offensive.

    Democrat’s excel at snatching Defeat out of the jaws of Victory… :roll:


  46. 46 | November 16, 2012 1:01 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    bluliner10 wrote:
    If he has any integrity,
    Maybe I’m being too harsh, but I lost any respect for Patraeus as soon as he agreed to join the Obama admin.

    Moi aussi. Also don’t forget the idiotic politically correct “rules of engagement” he initiated that caused so many Americans to be either killed or maimed.

    BINGO… My sentiments exactly…


  47. Speranza
    47 | November 16, 2012 1:02 pm

    Geraldo Rivera the fool said that General David Petraeus was our greatest general since Eisenhower.
    1. Eisenhower was not a great general
    2. Has he ever heard of Matthew B. Ridgway?


  48. bluliner10
    48 | November 16, 2012 1:02 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    DG, I don’t doubt your impression either and he has allowed Fast and Furious to get buried. But, he gets a spotlight and a microphone. He needs to use it now.


  49. 49 | November 16, 2012 1:04 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    DG, I don’t doubt your impression either and he has allowed Fast and Furious to get buried. But, he gets a spotlight and a microphone. He needs to use it now.

    He will not do so because there is nothing in it for him personally.


  50. Speranza
    50 | November 16, 2012 1:04 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Also General Petraeus should not have been commenting on the Rev. Terry Jones, Koran book burning plan here in America or on the youtube video itself (which no one apparently had ever even seen).


  51. eaglesoars
    51 | November 16, 2012 1:04 pm

    Two Fat Ladies chef embroiled in race row after claiming visit to Muslim area of Leicester was ‘the most frightening experience of her life’
    Chef was ‘surprised any of the people who might object could read what I wrote as it is written in English’

    Tory MP Kris Hopkins claims ‘gangs of Muslim men are going round and raping white kids’

    Sex gangs report ‘will play down threat of Pakistani men targeting white girls’

    just sayin’


  52. Guggi
    52 | November 16, 2012 1:04 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    those women could melt an Amex card faster than you can say SAKS.

    …and they are aging faster than a flower without water.


  53. bluliner10
    53 | November 16, 2012 1:05 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Marines had Al Gray. Best General of any branch since Chesty Puller.


  54. 54 | November 16, 2012 1:05 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    Yeah, I know. We lost something like 19 men nd killed over a thousand of the enemy. But Clinton turned it into a strategic defeat. That was a political move on Clinton’s part, and was one of the moves that convinced Osama bin Laden that America was weak and could be beaten. I am sure that electing Obama is another such strategic defeat.


  55. eaglesoars
    55 | November 16, 2012 1:06 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    he approved the new even more restrictive ROE’s.

    I did not know that.


  56. 56 | November 16, 2012 1:07 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    Maronites fought alongside the IDF in 82 and manned Israel’s security zone in Lebanon till 2000. Look Many Jews hate Arab Christians and many Arab Christians hate Jews. That’s life and It’s not my problem. I have some Arab Christian (Maronite) blood in me and I don’t hate them. I have no problem with Jews. If they hate each other, not my concern nor my fight.


  57. Speranza
    57 | November 16, 2012 1:07 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    he approved the new even more restrictive ROE’s.

    I did not know that.

    He insisted that American soldiers mingle amongst the Afghans on foot instead of riding in their armored vehicles – that cost us a lot people.


  58. heysoos
    58 | November 16, 2012 1:08 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Marines had Al Gray. Best General of any branch since Chesty Puller.

    Puller wrote the book…my dad served under both he and Howlin Mad Smith…tough guys


  59. 59 | November 16, 2012 1:08 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Geraldo Rivera the fool said that General David Petraeus was our greatest general since Eisenhower.
    1. Eisenhower was not a great general
    2. Has he ever heard of Matthew B. Ridgway?

    He’s a history expert now!


  60. Speranza
    60 | November 16, 2012 1:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    Maronites fought alongside the IDF in 82 and manned Israel’s security zone in Lebanon till 2000. Look Many Jews hate Arab Christians and many Arab Christians hate Jews. That’s life and It’s not my problem. I have some Arab Christian (Maronite) blood in me and I don’t hate them. I have no problem with Jews. If they hate each other, not my concern nor my fight.

    Israeli Jews don’t hate Christians, they are suspicious of Palestinian Christians (at least in the past they were) because so many of the PFLP and PDFLP leaders were Christians.


  61. huckfunn
    61 | November 16, 2012 1:09 pm

    Rush: Al Queda alive; twinkies dead. :lol:


  62. 62 | November 16, 2012 1:09 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    He insisted that American soldiers mingle amongst the Afghans on foot instead of riding in their armored vehicles

    Social justice on th ebattlefield? That’s useful. For the enemy.


  63. 63 | November 16, 2012 1:09 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Marines had Al Gray. Best General of any branch since Chesty Puller.

    With all due Respect to our Yanky friends, America’s best General was Nathan Bedford Forrest, followed of course by General Robert E. Lee. :twisted:


  64. 64 | November 16, 2012 1:09 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Tanker is not a fan of Patreaus. Ask him when he stops by.


  65. Speranza
    65 | November 16, 2012 1:11 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    He insisted that American soldiers mingle amongst the Afghans on foot instead of riding in their armored vehicles
    Social justice on the battlefield? That’s useful. For the enemy.

    Gen. Petraeus was a big believer in the “hearts and minds” concept.


  66. 66 | November 16, 2012 1:12 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Forrest was a good tactical commander, but he lacked the strategic concept. He could have never commanded a Corps on th ebattlefield, let alone an Army. Lee, OTOH< was one of our best, as was Stonewall Jackson. I reckon that they still study Jackson’s Valley Campaign as a piece of brilliant strategic action.

    [/Neo-Confederate!!!!11ty!! 8O ]


  67. 67 | November 16, 2012 1:12 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I wasn’t referring to Israeli Jews specifically. I know they are leery of Pali Christians, but they have a soft spot for Maronites. They are grateful that the Lebanese Maronites were their allies.

    The historical truth is Jews and Maronites are actually ethnic cousins.


  68. Alberta Oil Peon
    68 | November 16, 2012 1:12 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Rodan, I’m just trying to point out that, in the Middle East, “Christian” does not necessarily equate to “friend of Israel”.


  69. 69 | November 16, 2012 1:13 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Rush: Al Queda alive; twinkies dead.

    I’m really sad about Hostess. I have fond childhood memories involving Twinkies and cupcakes. I feel a part of me died today.

    :-(


  70. bluliner10
    70 | November 16, 2012 1:15 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    he approved the new even more restrictive ROE’s.
    I did not know that.
    He insisted that American soldiers mingle amongst the Afghans on foot instead of riding in their armored vehicles — that cost us a lot people.

    I completely disagree. We need to be on foot more than in vehicles. We have lost significantly more soldiers and Marines to IED’s than we have lost to gunfights.


  71. Speranza
    71 | November 16, 2012 1:15 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Marines had Al Gray. Best General of any branch since Chesty Puller.

    With all due Respect to our Yanky friends, America’s best General was Nathan Bedford Forrest, followed of course by General Robert E. Lee.

    I still think that Grant was superior to Lee but the only way to prove that is if they had met on the battlefield with equal numbers of men and resources backing them up. I thought that Grant had a more modern battlefield mind. One of the greatest generals in American history that only Civil War buffs know much about is Major General George Henry Thomas (1816 -70) aka the Rock of Chickamauga, aka the Hammer of Nashville who was a Virginian who stayed loyal to the United States.


  72. eaglesoars
    72 | November 16, 2012 1:15 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Lee, OTOH< was one of our best,

    I’ve walked Gettysburg – I just don’t see it. I walked the Confederate line at Cemetary Ridge and just scratched my head.


  73. 73 | November 16, 2012 1:16 pm

    Yes, I’m jumping on the outrage over the Twinkie demise bandwagon. Because this time, it’s personal.


  74. buzzsawmonkey
    74 | November 16, 2012 1:16 pm

    Twinkie, Twinkie, you’re no more
    Won’t see you in my food store
    Industries just fold, it seems
    When unions skim off the creme
    Twinkie, Twinkie, you’re no more
    Won’t see you in my food store


  75. 75 | November 16, 2012 1:17 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I’m a great believer in Grab ‘em by the balls, and their hearts and minds will follow! Wars are won by destroying the enemy’s will and capacity to resist, not convincing them to become your BFF.


  76. 76 | November 16, 2012 1:18 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Rodan, I’m just trying to point out that, in the Middle East, “Christian” does not necessarily equate to “friend of Israel”.

    Except for Maronites, I never said otherwise. That said, I don’t have a problem with Arab Christians and I support Israel.


  77. Speranza
    77 | November 16, 2012 1:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Forrest was a good tactical commander, but he lacked the strategic concept. He could have never commanded a Corps on th ebattlefield, let alone an Army. Lee, OTOH< was one of our best, as was Stonewall Jackson. I reckon that they still study Jackson’s Valley Campaign as a piece of brilliant strategic action.
    [/Neo-Confederate!!!!11ty!! ]

    Forrest was used the right way by the Confederacy as a raider and an independent cavalry commander whose troops fought on foot and who won the most impressive battle of Brices Cross Roads (June10, 1864). Maj. General William T. Sherman said that Forrest was “the most remarkable man the Civil war produced on either side”.


  78. eaglesoars
    78 | November 16, 2012 1:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Major General George Henry Thomas (1816 -70)

    If I’m thinking of the right man, he was pretty much overlooked even during the war. Not given the credit he deserved.

    (Hubby Civil WAr fanatic – married at Burnside Bridge/Antietam)


  79. Speranza
    79 | November 16, 2012 1:19 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I’m a great believer in Grab ‘em by the balls, and their hearts and minds will follow! Wars are won by destroying the enemy’s will and capacity to resist, not convincing them to become your BFF.

    Me too. I ain’t into nation building.


  80. 80 | November 16, 2012 1:19 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ Urban Infidel:
    @ eaglesoars:
    @ Speranza:

    Honestly, I am more concerned upset about Hostess going under. If I didn’t have job, i would probably shoot up a union hall.


  81. 81 | November 16, 2012 1:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    Rush: Al Queda alive; twinkies dead.

    I’m really sad about Hostess. I have fond childhood memories involving Twinkies and cupcakes. I feel a part of me died today.

    Me too! See my #73.


  82. 82 | November 16, 2012 1:21 pm

    I’m really sad about the Hostess stuff. I am going out tonight to drink away the pain. Part of me is dead today. This really hurts.


  83. Speranza
    83 | November 16, 2012 1:22 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Major General George Henry Thomas (1816 -70)
    If I’m thinking of the right man, he was pretty much overlooked even during the war. Not given the credit he deserved.
    (Hubby Civil War fanatic — married at Burnside Bridge/Antietam)

    Sherman and Grant used to make comments to each other in correspondence that he was “too slow” but Thomas opposed Sherman’s foolish assault at Kenesaw Mountain which cost over 3,000 casualties. Thomas believed in careful preparation before attacking. As a solder I would want to serve under commanders such as George H. Thomas or James Longstreet.


  84. 84 | November 16, 2012 1:22 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    I did. I am so angry about this. This makes me hate Union even more. They are low class trash who ruin people’s lives. Fuck the Unions, I hope Trumka dies and goes to hell.


  85. eaglesoars
    85 | November 16, 2012 1:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    If I didn’t have job, i would probably shoot up a union hall.

    Why waste the ammo? They just blew themselves up.

    I have no idea what they were thinking


  86. 86 | November 16, 2012 1:22 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    That one I don’t get either. It is a long way for those men to cover unprotected. But it almost succeeded. the way the Federals stormed Missionary Ridge in north Georgia. That would have been doomed on paper, but they carried it off and won the battle. Of course it didn’t help that the commanding General for the South was Bragg. He had a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I am certain he was a Democrat :P


  87. 87 | November 16, 2012 1:23 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I would not mind Sherman being reincarnated and going after the Union scum who closed Hostess.


  88. Speranza
    88 | November 16, 2012 1:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    I did. I am so angry about this. This makes me hate Union even more. They are low class trash who ruin people’s lives. Fuck the Unions, I hope Trumka dies and goes to hell.

    They are the scourge of working people.


  89. Speranza
    89 | November 16, 2012 1:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I would not mind Sherman being reincarnated and going after the Union scum who closed Hostess.

    Heh heh.


  90. Speranza
    90 | November 16, 2012 1:25 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    That one I don’t get either. It is a long way for those men to cover unprotected. But it almost succeeded. the way the Federals stormed Missionary Ridge in north Georgia. That would have been doomed on paper, but they carried it off and won the battle. Of course it didn’t help that the commanding General for the South was Bragg. He had a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I am certain he was a Democrat

    Jefferson Davis had a loyalty to incompetents – Braxton Bragg being exhibit 1. He admired Bragg when Bragg was a captain of artillery during the Mexican War but Bragg in the Civil War was not right in the head.


  91. 91 | November 16, 2012 1:25 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I am really upset over this.


  92. 92 | November 16, 2012 1:25 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Well, you are right about one thing. Grant had superior technology and used it to great effect. Union Troops were issued the Springfield rifled bore Musket while the Confederate Troops were severely hampered by the Enfield’s smooth bore.


  93. Speranza
    93 | November 16, 2012 1:26 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Lee, OTOH< was one of our best,
    I’ve walked Gettysburg -- I just don’t see it. I walked the Confederate line at Cemetary Ridge and just scratched my head.

    I’ve done it three times. Lee and Lee alone was at fault for that disaster.


  94. 94 | November 16, 2012 1:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    I did. I am so angry about this. This makes me hate Union even more. They are low class trash who ruin people’s lives. Fuck the Unions, I hope Trumka dies and goes to hell.

    When one business goes under, so goes the supporting industries like packagers, designers, marketers, distributors, advertisers, retailers. It affects everyone.


  95. eaglesoars
    95 | November 16, 2012 1:26 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It is a long way for those men to cover unprotected. But it almost succeeded

    Hubby’s great great (however many ‘greats) grandfather was there (111th NY, I think). It was fixed bayonet time for some areas of the line.

    Fascinating stuff when you get to actually see it/be there.


  96. Speranza
    96 | November 16, 2012 1:26 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Well, you are right about one thing. Grant had superior technology and used it to great effect. Union Troops were issued the Springfield rifled bore Musket while the Confederate Troops were severely hampered by the Enfield’s smooth bore.

    Towards the end of the war they had (the Federals) repeaters.


  97. 97 | November 16, 2012 1:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I am really upset over this.

    I should call my mother.


  98. Speranza
    98 | November 16, 2012 1:27 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Urban Infidel:
    I did. I am so angry about this. This makes me hate Union even more. They are low class trash who ruin people’s lives. Fuck the Unions, I hope Trumka dies and goes to hell.

    When one business goes under, so goes the supporting industries like packagers, designers, marketers, distributors, advertisers, retailers. It affects everyone.

    Yes there is a snowball effect.


  99. 99 | November 16, 2012 1:27 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Oh, Forrest was impressive at what he did, it is just he had risen to the level of his competance. I don’t think he could have commanded an Army. He wasn’t adept at the kind of diplomacy that running an Army requires of his commander. An example would be the way he threatened Braxton Bragg. I understand his frustration with the man, but that was really over the top. You can’t have a show of temper like that when you are having to coordinate Corps commanders, all of whom have egos that have to be massaged to get the best performance out of them.


  100. Storagemanager
    100 | November 16, 2012 1:27 pm

    I have a feeling..this is bigger than people think

    Barak seeks 75,000 reservists for possible Gaza operation

    As government mulls a ground operation, defense minister seeks to increase cabinet’s approval of reservists from 30,000; thus far, 16,000 draft orders issued to reserves. http://www.jpost.com/


  101. eaglesoars
    101 | November 16, 2012 1:28 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I’ve done it three times. Lee and Lee alone was at fault for that disaster.

    I’m no military tactician, so thanks – I don’t feel so clueless


  102. 102 | November 16, 2012 1:29 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    One word: Egypt.


  103. 103 | November 16, 2012 1:29 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The South had rifled muskets for the most part by the middle of the war. Ask Burnside at Fredricksberg what he thought of the Southern marksmanship…


  104. heysoos
    104 | November 16, 2012 1:30 pm

    Twinkies and Cup Cakes will be traded to another team…fear not


  105. Speranza
    105 | November 16, 2012 1:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    I did. I am so angry about this. This makes me hate Union even more. They are low class trash who ruin people’s lives. Fuck the Unions, I hope Trumka dies and goes to hell.

    Unions kill jobs.


  106. Storagemanager
    106 | November 16, 2012 1:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    One word: Egypt.

    two….Turkey


  107. Speranza
    107 | November 16, 2012 1:31 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The South had rifled muskets for the most part by the middle of the war. Ask Burnside at Fredricksberg what he thought of the Southern marksmanship…

    When Lt. Gen. John C. Pemberton surrendered Vicksburg there were 70,000 new Enfield rifles which had been smuggled over from England in Vicksburg that were so good the Federals exchanged their older rifles for them. I’ll bet you did not know that.


  108. eaglesoars
    108 | November 16, 2012 1:32 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Unions kill jobs.

    And now we get to watch SEIU and their cohorts start on non-union workers whose personal data Obama just handed over.


  109. Storagemanager
    109 | November 16, 2012 1:32 pm

    According to Morsi, “The blood spilled over there will not get the other side peace and will serve as a curse on them. It will incite all the people of the region against them.” http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/egyptian-president-morsi-warns-israel-agressors-know-they-will-pay-heavy-price-if-they-continue/


  110. Speranza
    110 | November 16, 2012 1:32 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Unions kill jobs.

    And now we get to watch SEIU and their cohorts start on non-union workers whose personal data Obama just handed over.

    How the **** did that guy get re-elected?


  111. 111 | November 16, 2012 1:33 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I and the wife intend to go someday. I went to Gettysburg as a kid, and remember parts of it. But I want to see it. Lee should have listened to Longstreet, moved around the enemy, and forced him to attack. That was a much better plan than attacking across a mile of open ground. Lee did something similar but less disastrous at Malvern Hill. Anyone but McClellan would have probably stomped Lee after that.


  112. Speranza
    112 | November 16, 2012 1:33 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    According to Morsi, “The blood spilled over there will not get the other side peace and will serve as a curse on them. It will incite all the people of the region against them.” http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/egyptian-president-morsi-warns-israel-agressors-know-they-will-pay-heavy-price-if-they-continue/

    Who gives a shit what that guy says?


  113. 113 | November 16, 2012 1:33 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    Muslim Brotherhood!

    this may sound nuts, Bust Israel and Assad might end up being on the same side.


  114. eaglesoars
    114 | November 16, 2012 1:34 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    How the **** did that guy get re-elected?

    Rodan has a point – the media.


  115. Storagemanager
    115 | November 16, 2012 1:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Muslim Brotherhood!
    this may sound nuts, Bust Israel and Assad might end up being on the same side.

    I agree…heal the Sunni,Shia split and fight Israel..


  116. Storagemanager
    116 | November 16, 2012 1:35 pm

    Israel on Friday evening sealed off all the main roads around Gaza, declaring them to be a closed military zone amid increasing signs that Israel is readying for a ground offensive.

    “There is a closed military zone in the area,” a military spokesman told AFP, saying that road 232, route 10 and part of road 4 had been sealed off to all non-military traffic.

    “These are the main routes around the Gaza Strip and they have been closed to traffic,” he confirmed.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/255055


  117. 117 | November 16, 2012 1:36 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I’ll bet you did not know that.

    Nope. I am learning about the Civil War, but it is a process. It is fascinating. I imagine that future generations will look at the re-election of Obama as something akin to Lincoln losing the 1864 election would have been. An unmitigated disaster.


  118. Storagemanager
    118 | November 16, 2012 1:36 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Turkey does…as do most of the Sunni states.


  119. Speranza
    119 | November 16, 2012 1:37 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I and the wife intend to go someday. I went to Gettysburg as a kid, and remember parts of it. But I want to see it. Lee should have listened to Longstreet, moved around the enemy, and forced him to attack. That was a much better plan than attacking across a mile of open ground. Lee did something similar but less disastrous at Malvern Hill. Anyone but McClellan would have probably stomped Lee after that.

    Lee’s best generalship was n 1864 when he was forced to fight on the defensive. Being a trained engineer he had a great eye for defensive topography and he anticipated just about all of Grant’s moves and inflicted casualties on the Army of the Potomac (as well as the Army of the James) that were at least as equal as the number of men he had in his own army. Lee did this without Longstreet (wounded on day 2 of the Wilderness) and the loss of so many Brigadier generals as well as being an ill man who was in danger of a heart attack almost daily.


  120. 120 | November 16, 2012 1:38 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Well, you are right about one thing. Grant had superior technology and used it to great effect. Union Troops were issued the Springfield rifled bore Musket while the Confederate Troops were severely hampered by the Enfield’s smooth bore.

    Towards the end of the war they had (the Federals) repeaters.

    Ah yes, those Damned Henry Repeating Rifles, as the Confederates used to say, “Those damned Yankee rifles that they load on Sunday and shoot all week long”..


  121. Storagemanager
    121 | November 16, 2012 1:38 pm

    The Arab spring was really the Muslim Brotherhood ascending..


  122. Speranza
    122 | November 16, 2012 1:38 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Turkey does…as do most of the Sunni states.

    Boo fricking hoo to Turkey. Soon they will have their own problems with the Kurds.

    Winners do not need to explain or apologize.


  123. eaglesoars
    123 | November 16, 2012 1:38 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    But I want to see it.

    You and Hubby should go together – he never tires of it! And he knows his stuff too!


  124. Speranza
    124 | November 16, 2012 1:39 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Nope. I am learning about the Civil War, but it is a process. It is fascinating. I imagine that future generations will look at the re-election of Obama as something akin to Lincoln losing the 1864 election would have been. An unmitigated disaster.

    Or Reagan failing to win in 1980.


  125. Speranza
    125 | November 16, 2012 1:41 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    How the **** did that guy get re-elected?

    Rodan has a point — the media.

    And the morons born from 1986 – 1994 who overwhelmingly went for Obama..


  126. 126 | November 16, 2012 1:41 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I am readin ga book on strategy in the Civil War right now. I[‘ve just finished up with the Seven Days. I’m also watching a video course on Robert E. Lee and his high command. We’re covering Jubal Early right now. Lee’s Bad Old Man, and he was!


  127. Speranza
    127 | November 16, 2012 1:42 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Ah yes, those Damned Henry Repeating Rifles, as the Confederates used to say, “Those damned Yankee rifles that they load on Sunday and shoot all week long”..

    The army went back to single shot rifles after the war and ironically the Indians had (at least many of the Indians) repeaters at the Little Bighorn and Custer’s 7th Cavalry were still armed with single shots.


  128. 128 | November 16, 2012 1:43 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    That’d be cool! It’ll be a couple of years, though. We plan on going to New Orleans next year. She has family there that she hasn’t seen in years. We intend to try and hit some Civil War sites on that trip as well. Maybe even detour over to Vicksberg. We’ll see.


  129. buzzsawmonkey
    129 | November 16, 2012 1:45 pm

    Debbie Whats’ername Schultz attacks the House Republicans for being “whiter and more male” than Democrats.

    The Democrats are the party of Big Labor and Big Labia.


  130. 130 | November 16, 2012 1:45 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yep, Springfield 1873 Trapdoor rifles in fact. Not a bad rifle, but way outclassed by lever guns. Even back then people wanted to save money by cutting the military.


  131. Speranza
    131 | November 16, 2012 1:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I am readin ga book on strategy in the Civil War right now. I[‘ve just finished up with the Seven Days. I’m also watching a video course on Robert E. Lee and his high command. We’re covering Jubal Early right now. Lee’s Bad Old Man, and he was!

    I liked Old Jubilee. During the Gettysburg campaign he had his division detour to take in Thaddeus Stevens (one of the Radical Republicans who was urging destruction on the South) iron works (that Stevens owned) and was going to burn them. The manager tried to tell him that the iron works really did not make much money and it made no point to destroy them and Early said “That’s not the way Yankees do business” (i.e. keep unprofitable businesses going).


  132. 132 | November 16, 2012 1:46 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The media and the GOP’s image.


  133. Speranza
    133 | November 16, 2012 1:47 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    That’d be cool! It’ll be a couple of years, though. We plan on going to New Orleans next year. She has family there that she hasn’t seen in years. We intend to try and hit some Civil War sites on that trip as well. Maybe even detour over to Vicksberg. We’ll see.

    Definitely visit Vicksburg (as well as the Old Court House Museum in Vicksburg).


  134. 134 | November 16, 2012 1:47 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Last time I look, she was fair skinned and had blond hair/blue eyes.


  135. Speranza
    135 | November 16, 2012 1:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The media and the GOP’s image.

    Tell me about it!


  136. Storagemanager
    136 | November 16, 2012 1:47 pm

    President Vladimir Putin told Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi in a telephone call that Russia supports Egypt’s efforts to halt the escalating violence in Gaza, the Kremlin said Friday.

    “The Russian President said that he supports Cairo’s efforts directed at normalizing the situation,” the statement said.

    “The Russian head of state underlined the need to stop the armed confrontation and called on the sides involved in the conflict to exercise restraint and stop military actions resulting in civilian deaths,” it said.

    The remarks followed a visit to Gaza by Egypt’s Prime Minister Hisham Qandil, who vowed to intensify Cairo’s efforts to secure a ceasefire and called on the international community to take responsibility for stopping aggression.

    “Egypt will not hesitate to intensify its efforts and make sacrifices to stop this aggression and achieve a lasting truce,” he told reporters.

    President Mursi later called Israel’s air strikes on the Gaza Strip a “blatant aggression against humanity”.

    Putin had on Thursday called on Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Palestinians to “exercise restraint” and avoid further violence.

    However Moscow has also condemned the “disproportionate” use of force in air strikes by Israel. http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/16/249985.html


  137. eaglesoars
    137 | November 16, 2012 1:48 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Debbie Whats’ername Schultz attacks the House Republicans for being “whiter and more male” than Democrats.

    The Democrats are the party of Big Labor and Big Labia.

    Ya know, I’m damn sick and tired of ‘white’ being used as a pejorative. I just might lose my temper.


  138. 138 | November 16, 2012 1:50 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Remember when Jerusalem was Islam’s 3rd holiest city? I guess Hamas didn’t get the memo.


  139. eaglesoars
    139 | November 16, 2012 1:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Maybe even detour over to Vicksberg. We’ll see.

    That was an interesting battle to be sure – but Vicksburg, the town, is quite depressing. As in ‘get me outta here’ depressing.


  140. 140 | November 16, 2012 1:51 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    She’s white herself.


  141. Storagemanager
    141 | November 16, 2012 1:52 pm

    Thank you for all you did…now drop dead..

    Liberated Iraq calls on Arab states to use oil as ‘weapon’ against U.S.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/16/liberated-iraq-calls-on-arab-states-to-use-oil-as-weapon-against-us/#ixzz2CPg3HRAP


  142. buzzsawmonkey
    142 | November 16, 2012 1:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Last time I look, she was fair skinned and had blond hair/blue eyes.

    I do not look at her except in a mirror reflection, lest I turn to stone.


  143. eaglesoars
    143 | November 16, 2012 1:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    She’s white herself.

    Yeah, but she has a vagina.

    Get with the program, Sparky.


  144. 144 | November 16, 2012 1:53 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I still think Romney and some other investors should buy Hostess, rehire the current management and hire back the 13,500 “non-union” workers. The union workers can go ask that fat fuck Trumpka to find them work.


  145. 145 | November 16, 2012 1:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Ah yes, those Damned Henry Repeating Rifles, as the Confederates used to say, “Those damned Yankee rifles that they load on Sunday and shoot all week long”..
    The army went back to single shot rifles after the war and ironically the Indians had (at least many of the Indians) repeaters at the Little Bighorn and Custer’s 7th Cavalry were still armed with single shots.

    Yup, some damned fool bean counter figured they would expend to much ammo if they had repeaters.


  146. 146 | November 16, 2012 1:54 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Even then its a risk!


  147. Speranza
    147 | November 16, 2012 1:55 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Debbie Whats’ername Schultz attacks the House Republicans for being “whiter and more male” than Democrats.
    The Democrats are the party of Big Labor and Big Labia.

    Ya know, I’m damn sick and tired of ‘white’ being used as a pejorative. I just might lose my temper.

    Last I saw Debbie Waffen S.S. Schultz was as pale as a ghost.


  148. eaglesoars
    148 | November 16, 2012 1:55 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    EXCELLENT idea!

    ‘specially the Trumpka part……..

    :wink:


  149. 149 | November 16, 2012 1:56 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I still think Romney and some other investors should buy Hostess, rehire the current management and hire back the 13,500 “non-union” workers. The union workers can go ask that fat fuck Trumpka to find them work.

    That would be a bold move on Romney’s part. I hope someone buys Hostess.


  150. Speranza
    150 | November 16, 2012 1:56 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Yup, some damned fool bean counter figured they would expend to much ammo if they had repeaters.

    That’s just about right, the Indians were better armed.


  151. 151 | November 16, 2012 1:57 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I can’t stand her voice.


  152. 152 | November 16, 2012 1:57 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    There’s a graphic over at Red State — non-union manufacturing is down 14%; UNION manufacturing is down 73%.


  153. 153 | November 16, 2012 1:57 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    SO she gets a pass.


  154. buzzsawmonkey
    154 | November 16, 2012 1:58 pm

    It is ironic in the extreme that the Phony Feminists like Wasserman Schultz are enraged at the idea that women should be “reduced to” being judged as walking wombs, but are all about Vagina Power.

    This is, in effect, reducing women to precisely the sex objects that feminism was supposed to be working against. They are exalting the genitals–the pleasure center—while denigrating, by the exaltation of abortion, the very function which those genitals are supposed to serve and facilitate.


  155. Speranza
    155 | November 16, 2012 1:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I can’t stand her voice.

    I cannot stand anything about her especially that Forest Hills accent of hers.


  156. eaglesoars
    156 | November 16, 2012 1:59 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    UNION manufacturing is down 73%.

    I’m sorry for their families – being out of work is awful – but they brought it on themselves

    I want to see the teachers’ unions implode


  157. 157 | November 16, 2012 2:00 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Debbie Whats’ername Schultz attacks the House Republicans for being “whiter and more male” than Democrats.
    The Democrats are the party of Big Labor and Big Labia.
    Ya know, I’m damn sick and tired of ‘white’ being used as a pejorative. I just might lose my temper.

    Last I saw Debbie Waffen S.S. Schultz was as pale as a ghost.

    You know, that’s where we just need to start striking back at these assholes like Crackhead Barbie:

    “Oh really? Why don’t you explain to us how you’re supposed to be immune from criticism and at the same time you want equal treatment? Why don’t you argue from the merits and facts of your position? Because you can’t. You have taken a delusional path and when called on it, when asked to defend your position, you stomp your foot like a five-year-old and name call. What you never, EVER do, is answer the damn question!!”


  158. Storagemanager
    158 | November 16, 2012 2:00 pm

    Another one bites the dust………

    Palestinian sources in the Gaza Strip reported that Ahmed Abu Jalal, a senior commander in Hamas’ military wing, was killed in an Air Force strike east of the Maghazi refugee camp in the central Strip.

    Abu Jalal’s two brothers and another person were also killed. (Elior Levy) http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-4306865,00.html


  159. 159 | November 16, 2012 2:01 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    It was more about reusing the old percussion rifles that they had. You could retrofit a percussion rifle with a different breachblock and presto-chango now it was a single-shot cartridge rifle. It was all about saving money, though. They didn’t want to pay the price to re-arm the entire military (which had been shrunken anyway) after just fighting the Civil War. They just put it off about 20 years, and then went to the .30-40 Krag, a wholly inadequate cartridge. Then they had to re-tool a few years later to go to the Springfield in .30-06. Government wasn’t ran any better back then than it is now.


  160. 160 | November 16, 2012 2:01 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Obama shut down Saturn, one of GM’s most profitable car divisions, because it was manufactured in Tennessee.


  161. heysoos
    161 | November 16, 2012 2:01 pm

    I visited Gettysburg a few years ago…been there about 4 times…it was in the morning in October, warm and sunny…there could not have been more than 25 people there spread out across the park…it was if I was alone, very dramatic….it’s a masterpiece of preservation and monument art and architecture…when you stand at the Angle and look out across to Missionary Ridge, it’s inconceivable that Lee would cross that ground with flanking canonfire raking his troops and two stout fences to cross….no man in his right mind would have asked that of his troops


  162. Speranza
    162 | November 16, 2012 2:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Maybe even detour over to Vicksberg. We’ll see.
    That was an interesting battle to be sure — but Vicksburg, the town, is quite depressing. As in ‘get me outta here’ depressing.

    Some parts are actually nice and some parts seem dangerous.


  163. eaglesoars
    163 | November 16, 2012 2:02 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It is ironic

    That word is not in their dictionary

    Actually, there’s someone worse than Washyerhair Schultz – Kristen Gillibrand. God, I can’t stand that woman.


  164. Speranza
    164 | November 16, 2012 2:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I visited Gettysburg a few years ago…been there about 4 times…it was in the morning in October, warm and sunny…there could not have been more than 25 people there spread out across the park…it was if I was alone, very dramatic….it’s a masterpiece of preservation and monument art and architecture…when you stand at the Angle and look out across to Missionary Ridge, it’s inconceivable that Lee would cross that ground with flanking canonfire raking his troops and two stout fences to cross….no man in his right mind would have asked that of his troops

    The problem with Gettysburg is that it is cluttered with monuments. Shiloh and Chancellorsville are in many ways the perfect battlefields.
    By the way it is Seminary not Missionary Ridge. Missionary Ridge is in Chattanooga.


  165. Speranza
    165 | November 16, 2012 2:04 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Obama shut down Saturn, one of GM’s most profitable car divisions, because it was manufactured in Tennessee.

    What a creep!


  166. eaglesoars
    166 | November 16, 2012 2:06 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    it’s inconceivable that Lee would cross that ground with flanking canonfire raking his troops and two stout fences to cross….no man in his right mind would have asked that of his troops

    On one of our visits I overheard a conversation – Lee had problematic visibility (the ground has settled considerable since the battle) – there was a lot of smoke in the air, and his intelligence about the Union line he would be opposing was overly optimistic. To say the least.


  167. 167 | November 16, 2012 2:06 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    Good.


  168. buzzsawmonkey
    168 | November 16, 2012 2:06 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Obama shut down Saturn, one of GM’s most profitable car divisions, because it was manufactured in Tennessee.

    The Boy King is nothing if not vindictive.


  169. heysoos
    169 | November 16, 2012 2:08 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I visited Gettysburg a few years ago…been there about 4 times…it was in the morning in October, warm and sunny…there could not have been more than 25 people there spread out across the park…it was if I was alone, very dramatic….it’s a masterpiece of preservation and monument art and architecture…when you stand at the Angle and look out across to Missionary Ridge, it’s inconceivable that Lee would cross that ground with flanking canonfire raking his troops and two stout fences to cross….no man in his right mind would have asked that of his troops

    The problem with Gettysburg is that it is cluttered with monuments. Shiloh and Chancellorsville are in many ways the perfect battlefields.
    By the way it is Seminary not Missionary Ridge. Missionary Ridge is in Chattanooga.

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I visited Gettysburg a few years ago…been there about 4 times…it was in the morning in October, warm and sunny…there could not have been more than 25 people there spread out across the park…it was if I was alone, very dramatic….it’s a masterpiece of preservation and monument art and architecture…when you stand at the Angle and look out across to Missionary Ridge, it’s inconceivable that Lee would cross that ground with flanking canonfire raking his troops and two stout fences to cross….no man in his right mind would have asked that of his troops

    The problem with Gettysburg is that it is cluttered with monuments. Shiloh and Chancellorsville are in many ways the perfect battlefields.
    By the way it is Seminary not Missionary Ridge. Missionary Ridge is in Chattanooga.

    too many I agree, but they are there ans a few are really magnificent…and yeah I get my ridges mixed up…time for another visit!


  170. eaglesoars
    170 | November 16, 2012 2:09 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    it was if I was alone, very dramatic

    If you ever get the chance try Bloody Lane (I think that’s what it’s called) at Antietam at dusk.

    It’s haunted.


  171. buzzsawmonkey
    171 | November 16, 2012 2:09 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Palestinian sources in the Gaza Strip reported that Ahmed Abu Jalal, a senior commander in Hamas’ military wing, was killed in an Air Force strike east of the Maghazi refugee camp in the central Strip.

    Jabari Facebook


  172. 172 | November 16, 2012 2:11 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Punish your enemies! We are so doomed.


  173. 173 | November 16, 2012 2:11 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yep. Non-union shop. Of course, when the bondholders of GM were kicked to the curb in the bankruptcy (and SHAME on the Supreme Court for upholding that disgrace!), the media did not report that many of the bondholders were the pension plans of state workers, like Indiana and Wisconsin. They lost a boatload of money, but the media never reported on it – Obama shorted them in order to make sure the unions got more than what was coming to them.

    Of course, GM is now flailing and is going to need to file bankruptcy again, but unfortunately for King Asshole, he has no “little people” to short this time – only the taxpayers so they are trying to keep that as on the down low as possible.


  174. buzzsawmonkey
    174 | November 16, 2012 2:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Punish your enemies!

    Obama is a revanchist.


  175. 175 | November 16, 2012 2:14 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    as on the down low as possible.

    I’ve heard that Obama likes it on the down low… 8O


  176. Speranza
    176 | November 16, 2012 2:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    I still think Romney and some other investors should buy Hostess, rehire the current management and hire back the 13,500 “non-union” workers. The union workers can go ask that fat fuck Trumpka to find them work.

    That would be a bold move on Romney’s part. I hope someone buys Hostess.

    So do I!


  177. Mars
    177 | November 16, 2012 2:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    I still think Romney and some other investors should buy Hostess, rehire the current management and hire back the 13,500 “non-union” workers. The union workers can go ask that fat fuck Trumpka to find them work.

    That would be a bold move on Romney’s part. I hope someone buys Hostess.

    The Hostess thing is going to have an even bigger impact where I live. They bought the Sweetheart Bread bakery a few years back. So when they shut down, Sweetheart is gone. We lost the bread factory, and 6 outlet stores in the surrounding area.

    And the local talk radio had a freaking union clown on saying how it was all Hostess’ fault.

    Hundreds of jobs gone just in my town and they can’t deviate from their script.


  178. heysoos
    178 | November 16, 2012 2:15 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I’ve yet to visit Antietam, but I intend to someday


  179. Speranza
    179 | November 16, 2012 2:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Punish your enemies!

    Obama is a revanchist.

    He was the incumbent but he ran an insurgency campaign. Weird!


  180. Mars
    180 | November 16, 2012 2:16 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    it was if I was alone, very dramatic
    If you ever get the chance try Bloody Lane (I think that’s what it’s called) at Antietam at dusk.
    It’s haunted.

    We were discussing Little Big Horn on here the other day and I’d like to let people know it’s massively haunted too.

    Nearly all park service employees have had multiple experiences.


  181. Speranza
    181 | November 16, 2012 2:17 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I’ve yet to visit Antietam, but I intend to someday

    It is an hour or 1 1/4 hour drive from Gettysburg. From Antietam you can then drive to Harpers Ferry.


  182. buzzsawmonkey
    182 | November 16, 2012 2:17 pm

    Maybe a religious consortium could buy up the Hostess assets and re-open them. You could have a convergence between Hostess and the Lord of Hosts.


  183. Speranza
    183 | November 16, 2012 2:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Maybe a religious consortium could buy up the Hostess assets and re-open them. You could have a convergence between Hostess and the Lord of Hosts.

    Groan!


  184. 184 | November 16, 2012 2:19 pm

    I cannot believe Fat Fuck Trumka had the nerve to show his face (h/t Weasel Zippers):

    “What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor,” Trumka said in a public statement. “Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price.”

    Earlier Friday, Hostess Brands announced that it would be closing, which the company said was precipitated by a workers’ strike.

    Trumka’s comparing Hostess to Brain comes after an election in which former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney was criticized for co-founding Bain Capital.

    Trumka took the workers’ the side, saying Hostess’ leaders and policies were “wrecking America.”

    I went over to the Politico article. Not a single commenter agreed with Trumka. Best comment in the bunch: “I heard that if I voted for Romney there would be massive layoffs and job losses. They were right.”


  185. 185 | November 16, 2012 2:19 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    It was more about reusing the old percussion rifles that they had. You could retrofit a percussion rifle with a different breachblock and presto-chango now it was a single-shot cartridge rifle. It was all about saving money, though. They didn’t want to pay the price to re-arm the entire military (which had been shrunken anyway) after just fighting the Civil War. They just put it off about 20 years, and then went to the .30-40 Krag, a wholly inadequate cartridge. Then they had to re-tool a few years later to go to the Springfield in .30-06. Government wasn’t ran any better back then than it is now.

    No, it really was because repeater were considered to wasteful of ammunition.

    When the war ended in 1865, the U.S military continued to seek improvements to the infantry and cavalry rifle but with an exhausted budget. The following year, in 1866, the U.S Army adopted the Springfield breech loading single shot rifle chambered for the .50-70 cartridge. The new rifle involved recalling and refurbishing Springfield muzzle loaders which were converted to breech load design. This move confused more than a few soldiers who had come to respect the effectiveness of repeating rifles. Winchester had in the same year of 1866 designed a slick .44 rimfire repeater but the army had already decided that repeaters were economically wasteful.

    In 1873 the U.S army once again upgraded its rifle and cartridge design. The 1873 Springfield rifle saw minor improvements over the 1868 factory new breechloader. At this time, a new cartridge was adopted, the .45-70 U.S Government. The .45-70 fired a .45 caliber 405 grain projectile over 70 grains of black powder for a muzzle velocity of roughly 1200fps. The official military designation of the new cartridge was the .45-70-405. Caliber was .458” (11.6mm) and rifling consisted of 1 turn in 20”. The M1873 Springfield rifle, dubbed “the Trap Door” had to be capable of producing a 4” group at 100 yards for military service. The rifle was generally considered as being effective to about 300 yards but was also used in volley fire out to 600 yards. A later, more ballistically efficient load was adopted in 1879, designated the .45-70-500 (500 grain bullet).

    While the .45-70 was a very effective cartridge when it arrived at its target, many soldiers still yearned for repeating rifles. In the same year that the .45-70 had been introduced, Winchester had put forwards their new 1873 lever action rifle in .44-40 for military evaluation. Although the Winchester was rejected for its wasteful use of ammunition, many soldiers used their own wages to obtain Winchester 73 rifles regardless of protocol.


  186. heysoos
    186 | November 16, 2012 2:19 pm

    It is an hour or 1 1/4 hour drive from Gettysburg. From Antietam you can drive to Harpers Ferry.

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    I’ve yet to visit Antietam, but I intend to someday

    It is an hour or 1 1/4 hour drive from Gettysburg. From Antietam you can drive to Harpers Ferry.

    I’ve driven right past there many times on my way from MI to DC…just never stopped…I will next time tho, gettin old here


  187. Speranza
    187 | November 16, 2012 2:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    We were discussing Little Big Horn on here the other day and I’d like to let people know it’s massively haunted too.

    Nearly all park service employees have had multiple experiences.

    One of my favorite Battledfields.


  188. 188 | November 16, 2012 2:20 pm

    @ Speranza:

    What’s weirder is that he won! Political “science” isn’t really science. It is philosophy and guesswork, for the most part.


  189. Speranza
    189 | November 16, 2012 2:20 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I’ve driven right past there many times on my way from MI to DC…just never stopped…I will next time tho, gettin old here

    I liked Harpers Ferry particularly John Brown’s “engine house”.


  190. buzzsawmonkey
    190 | November 16, 2012 2:21 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Political “science” isn’t really science. It is philosophy and guesswork, for the most part.

    Plus Obamaphones™.


  191. eaglesoars
    191 | November 16, 2012 2:21 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Nearly all park service employees have had multiple experiences.

    I did not know that – but I’m not surprised. I’ve never ‘felt’ anything at Gettysburg – but Antietam is rife w/’it’


  192. heysoos
    192 | November 16, 2012 2:21 pm

    when I hit ‘quote’ crazy stuff happens…usually a twofer…I dunno friends


  193. 194 | November 16, 2012 2:21 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s easy to win when you have the media and popular culture behind you.


  194. Speranza
    195 | November 16, 2012 2:22 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    What’s weirder is that he won! Political “science” isn’t really science. It is philosophy and guesswork, for the most part.

    The dumb asses (born anywhere from 1986-94). Enjoy living with mommy and daddy for a long time! The thing about Obama is that I do not think he is capable of learning.


  195. 196 | November 16, 2012 2:22 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    If I had the power I’d fire every goddamned union worker in the country. Let those people get real jobs or starve.


  196. 197 | November 16, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ Mars:

    he does look like Stalin.


  197. Mars
    198 | November 16, 2012 2:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    he does look like Stalin.

    Without the charisma.


  198. buzzsawmonkey
    199 | November 16, 2012 2:23 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://c481901.r1.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/trumka-caucus-blog480.gif

    Trumka looks like a rabid hamster, without the cuteness factor.


  199. Speranza
    200 | November 16, 2012 2:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ Iron Fist:
    It’s easy to win when you have the media and popular culture behind you.

    What gets me is people over 30 who looked around themselves and said “Hey the past four years were pretty good, I think I’ll have another”.


  200. 201 | November 16, 2012 2:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I suggest that Bain Capitol buy up Hostess and move all plants to right to work states or rehire the non-union workers and make a success of it.

    Fat Fuck is going to have a real image problem with this – the Teamsters DID renegotiate with Hostess in an effort to help the company – it was the Bakers that refused to.


  201. 202 | November 16, 2012 2:24 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    but Antietam is rife w/’it’

    I visited both Gettysburg and Antietam, thought they were both very peaceful and quaintly nice places. Didn’t notice anything special about either place.


  202. Prebanned
    203 | November 16, 2012 2:24 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    It was more about reusing the old percussion rifles that they had. You could retrofit a percussion rifle with a different breachblock and presto-chango now it was a single-shot cartridge rifle. It was all about saving money, though. They didn’t want to pay the price to re-arm the entire military (which had been shrunken anyway) after just fighting the Civil War. They just put it off about 20 years, and then went to the .30-40 Krag, a wholly inadequate cartridge. Then they had to re-tool a few years later to go to the Springfield in .30-06. Government wasn’t ran any better back then than it is now.

    The 30-40 was replaced by the 30-03, in response to the 7X57 mauser used by Spain, then Germany loaded a lighter, higher velocity bullet in thier 8×57 mauser and that caused us to redesign the 30-03 into the 30-06 three years later.

    From http://www.chuckhawks.com/great_cartridge_families.htm

    The Spanish-American War taught the U. S. War Department a valuable (albeit bloody) lesson about the merits of Mauser pattern bolt action rifles and the 7×57 cartridge. The result was the .30-03 Springfield cartridge, basically an enlarged version of the 7×57 that was used by Spanish troops to wreak havoc on American soldiers.

    The .30-03 was introduced by the famous U.S. arsenal whose name it bears in 1903. (.30 caliber, 1903–get it?) But Germany was one jump ahead of the U.S. and in 1905 introduced the JS version of their 8×57 cartridge. This fired a 150 grain spitzer bullet at about 2800 fps and made the new American .30-03 obsolete overnight.

    Not to be outdone, the Springfield arsenal shortened the neck of the .30-03 case 0.10″ and loaded a 150 grain spitzer bullet at about 2700 fps. Thus was born the .30-06 Springfield. It is worth noting that both the .30-03 (220 grain bullet) and .30-06 (150 grain bullet) cartridges were offered in sporting rifles for several years.


  203. Speranza
    204 | November 16, 2012 2:25 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    http://c481901.r1.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/trumka-caucus-blog480.gif

    Trumka looks like a rabid hamster, without the cuteness factor.

    He looks like a no-neck thug.


  204. 205 | November 16, 2012 2:25 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Because, hey, 8% unemployment is as good as it gets. I guess they can’t remember the 5% unemployment during the Bush Administration. That was, as you’ll recall, the worst economy since the Depression


  205. buzzsawmonkey
    206 | November 16, 2012 2:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    He looks like a no-neck thug.

    Interestingly, he plays one in real life.


  206. 207 | November 16, 2012 2:27 pm

    @ Speranza:

    For some it was not a vote for Obama, it was a vote against the GOP. You can thank Akins and Santorum for giving the media ammo to use.

    We have to keep this in mind. There has not been a successful Republican Presidency since the 80’s. So some give Obama slack.


  207. 208 | November 16, 2012 2:30 pm

    Well so much for this morning little blip on the Dow, it’s back into negative territory, trades are being delayed again and the plungers are plunging, but it aint doin no good.


  208. Speranza
    209 | November 16, 2012 2:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Because, hey, 8% unemployment is as good as it gets. I guess they can’t remember the 5% unemployment during the Bush Administration. That was, as you’ll recall, the worst economy since the Depression…

    Considering that the real unemployment is probably more in the 12 – 15% range sure 8% is as good as we can hope for under this economically illiterate regime.


  209. darkwords
    210 | November 16, 2012 2:31 pm

    @ 205 Iron Fist:
    Confidence is the key psychological principle behind economics. From my econ 101 class. If the job creators become doubtful of the government and the economy they will hedge their bet by creating one less job. The velocity of money through the economy slows down and generates less tax revenue.

    Obama is making the voting welfare class confident in a guaranteed income to just get by. As we see by the Benghazi waffling and indecision, the great waffler does little to inspire confidence. And the great waffler is unable to substitute anything productive for his lack. lack of experience.


  210. Speranza
    211 | November 16, 2012 2:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    For some it was not a vote for Obama, it was a vote against the GOP. You can thank Akins and Santorum for giving the media ammo to use.
    We have to keep this in mind. There has not been a successful Republican Presidency since the 80′s. So some give Obama slack.

    Well I hope nobody suffers but if any one absolutely must let it be those who voted for Obama even though in their heart of hearts they knew better.


  211. Speranza
    212 | November 16, 2012 2:32 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    He looks like a no-neck thug.

    Interestingly, he plays one in real life.

    He does look like a leg breaker.


  212. 213 | November 16, 2012 2:32 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Let it burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  213. Speranza
    214 | November 16, 2012 2:33 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    I visited both Gettysburg and Antietam, thought they were both very peaceful and quaintly nice places. Didn’t notice anything special about either place.

    The town of Gettysburg itself is very nice. I never had time to visit the Eisenhower farm which is right outside of it.


  214. darkwords
    215 | November 16, 2012 2:33 pm

    @ 201 Carolina Girl: That would be a good thing to do. Take all of Obamas failed businesses and make them sucessful and show why they made new jobs.


  215. buzzsawmonkey
    216 | November 16, 2012 2:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    For some it was not a vote for Obama, it was a vote against the GOP. You can thank Akins and Santorum for giving the media ammo to use.

    Well, thank Heaven the nation’s ladyparts are safe.


  216. Prebanned
    217 | November 16, 2012 2:35 pm

    Hard to believe what our fellow Americans are willing to settle for.


  217. 218 | November 16, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That’s what many people think. Sad but true.


  218. 219 | November 16, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I guess all the Little Debbie stock’s been bought.
    Surprisingly, the NASDAQ has ticked into +1.20, after being down in the a.m.

    Wow – magic iPhone just went from -7.83 to -23.82


  219. buzzsawmonkey
    220 | November 16, 2012 2:36 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, but how am I gonna sell off all these tampons I stockpiled in anticipation of the black market?


  220. 221 | November 16, 2012 2:37 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Hey, as long as the Government can force the Catholic Church to pay for their abortions they are happy! Who really needs a job when there’s welfare to live on?


  221. darkwords
    222 | November 16, 2012 2:37 pm

    @ 211 Speranza: The people who will suffer in the Obama presidency will be the ones who work but are not represented politically or by unions. That is anyone getting tips. Anyone working for a small business. Obama will channel his money to brown up the economy as a form of social justice. So if you are a white male working as a showman in vegas for a small party company don’t expect a bailout. Play the slots everyday. Chances of a future are about even. Latch onto someone like J lo and ride the storm out.


  222. darkwords
    223 | November 16, 2012 2:39 pm

    @ 219 Carolina Girl: My alternative is Franz donuts which I hate. I might have to search for a premium grade donut and pay double. Damn you Barack Obama.


  223. buzzsawmonkey
    224 | November 16, 2012 2:39 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Latch onto someone like J lo and ride the storm out.

    Planned Parenthood will help you set up your “stable.”


  224. darkwords
    225 | November 16, 2012 2:41 pm

    @ 217 Prebanned: I think wise women with life perspective and balance went for Romney. Woman who have some confidence around men and mutual respect. All the uninformed women went with Obama and voted on an unrealistic fear Obama presented to them.

    One type of woman would be good fighting in the IDF the other type is great at wearing a veil.


  225. darkwords
    226 | November 16, 2012 2:42 pm

    @ 224 buzzsawmonkey: Where is our professionally produced conservative humor channel on youtube? That would be a good skit.


  226. 227 | November 16, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Indeed. Despite what the libturds and thugs like Trumka want to say about Bain, they are in the business of buying companies to make a success out of them.

    Dow’s upticking again – I’m up to -4.68. I don’t see it ending much on a high note, though. Dorian – isn’t it customary for Friday’s to end well?


  227. darkwords
    228 | November 16, 2012 2:43 pm

    In big disasters it’s best to just start doing the small things first. Pick up the trash, take out the trash, until the trash is all gone.


  228. darkwords
    229 | November 16, 2012 2:45 pm

    @ 227Carolina Girl: Obama will have the DoJ raid Bain-Hostess for not buying sugar from a certified third world marxist country. Screw all the Iowa fructose farmers.


  229. 230 | November 16, 2012 2:46 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    I visited both Gettysburg and Antietam, thought they were both very peaceful and quaintly nice places. Didn’t notice anything special about either place.
    The town of Gettysburg itself is very nice. I never had time to visit the Eisenhower farm which is right outside of it.

    No disrespect to any of you who are big Civil War Buff’s… But, the Eisenhower farm, (with the exception of the monument) well, ummm, it a big ole corn field. Seen one big ole corn field, ya seen em all… :oops: Again, no insult intended, but Antietam is basically the same thing, big ole corn field, Burnside Bridge is a lovely old Stone Bridge, and Bloody lane is a delightful old unpaved wagon cart rut road through a big ole corn field.

    If you didn’t KNOW the history of what happen at either place, then well, they would just be big ole corn fields.


  230. heysoos
    231 | November 16, 2012 2:46 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    I thought the idea of Bain buying Hostess is terrific btw…they would be very welcome down here in Albuquerque


  231. buzzsawmonkey
    232 | November 16, 2012 2:47 pm

    Gee, with Hostess gone, it’s going to ring kind of hollow when Michelle says, “Let ‘em eat cake.”


  232. 233 | November 16, 2012 2:48 pm

    New Thread.


  233. Prebanned
    234 | November 16, 2012 2:48 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 219 Carolina Girl: My alternative is Franz donuts which I hate. I might have to search for a premium grade donut and pay double. Damn you Barack Obama.

    HAH HAH HAH HAH.@ darkwords:
    There are a lot of idiot Americans.

    My eldest’s girlfriend is from New York and She talked like she would not vote for Obama…
    Of course She is an exceptionally bright girl.


  234. 235 | November 16, 2012 2:49 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    Indeed. Despite what the libturds and thugs like Trumka want to say about Bain, they are in the business of buying companies to make a success out of them.
    Dow’s upticking again — I’m up to -4.68. I don’t see it ending much on a high note, though. Dorian — isn’t it customary for Friday’s to end well?

    Ya, pretty much. In a crazy and frightening way, if the Dow ends in positive territory today, it will have ended well for the week. My guess is that the Fed is heavily intervening right now in an attempt to prop the market up.


  235. Speranza
    236 | November 16, 2012 2:50 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    No disrespect to any of you who are big Civil War Buff’s… But, the Eisenhower farm, (with the exception of the monument) well, ummm, it a big ole corn field. Seen one big ole corn field, ya seen em all… :oops: Again, no insult intended, but Antietam is basically the same thing, big ole corn field, Burnside Bridge is a lovely old Stone Bridge, and Bloody lane is a delightful old unpaved wagon cart rut road through a big ole corn field.

    If you didn’t KNOW the history of what happen at either place, then well, they would just be big ole corn fields.

    The Dunker Church in Antietam as well as the cornfield where so many Federal and Confederate troops were killed are interesting.


  236. Speranza
    237 | November 16, 2012 2:51 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 211 Speranza: The people who will suffer in the Obama presidency will be the ones who work but are not represented politically or by unions. That is anyone getting tips. Anyone working for a small business. Obama will channel his money to brown up the economy as a form of social justice. So if you are a white male working as a showman in vegas for a small party company don’t expect a bailout. Play the slots everyday. Chances of a future are about even. Latch onto someone like J lo and ride the storm out.

    We will all be hurt – some more then others. Except government workers are protected.


  237. waldensianspirit
    238 | November 16, 2012 2:54 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Gee, with Hostess gone, it’s going to ring kind of hollow when Michelle says, “Let ‘em eat cake.”

    The Obamas are proud of getting rid of ‘bad’ food suppliers


  238. waldensianspirit
    239 | November 16, 2012 2:54 pm

    Here’s yer potato


  239. waldensianspirit
    240 | November 16, 2012 2:55 pm

    Cabbage sloppy joe and boiled zuccini sticks


  240. buzzsawmonkey
    241 | November 16, 2012 2:56 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    The Obamas are proud of getting rid of ‘bad’ food suppliers

    Though the Hostess bakeries were local, clearly they weren’t “sustainable.”

    Dollars to donuts—or Twinkies, if you prefer—the government buys the factories and turns them over to the unions to run.


  241. 242 | November 16, 2012 2:57 pm

    Great news (

    relatively). A tweet from the IDF:

    Update: 97 rockets fired from Gaza hit #Israel today (388 since Nov. 14), and Iron Dome intercepted 99 rockets #IsraelUnderFire


  242. 243 | November 16, 2012 2:59 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Obama no doubt believes that the means of production should be owned in common…


  243. 244 | November 16, 2012 3:02 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    No disrespect to any of you who are big Civil War Buff’s… But, the Eisenhower farm, (with the exception of the monument) well, ummm, it a big ole corn field. Seen one big ole corn field, ya seen em all… Again, no insult intended, but Antietam is basically the same thing, big ole corn field, Burnside Bridge is a lovely old Stone Bridge, and Bloody lane is a delightful old unpaved wagon cart rut road through a big ole corn field.
    If you didn’t KNOW the history of what happen at either place, then well, they would just be big ole corn fields.
    The Dunker Church in Antietam as well as the cornfield where so many Federal and Confederate troops were killed are interesting.

    I honestly cannot tell you what I was expecting to see at either place, what I did see were places that were so peaceful and serene that it was impossible for “ME” to grasp the horror of what had happened there.


  244. buzzsawmonkey
    245 | November 16, 2012 3:05 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Obama no doubt believes that the means of production should be owned in common…

    Precisely. If he can manage to abrogate the shareholders’ rights while intervening, I have no doubt he will do that, in order to “save” the Hostess jobs.

    Maybe to appease Michelle he’ll direct the bakeries to make a Chevy Volt-type cupcake, made of whole grains and minimally sweetened, which can then be mandated as a dessert purchase for federally-funded school-lunch programs.


  245. Speranza
    246 | November 16, 2012 4:54 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    I honestly cannot tell you what I was expecting to see at either place, what I did see were places that were so peaceful and serene that it was impossible for “ME” to grasp the horror of what had happened there.

    They are compelling places to visit.


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