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Chris Christie shows his paranoia

by Rodan ( 260 Comments › )
Filed under Progressives, Republican Party at November 17th, 2012 - 5:00 pm

The Corpulent Buffoon shows how much of a jerk he is. Chris Christie was asked about the Hostess going out of business. Instead of giving his opinion, he goes on a paranoid rant. He accuses the reporter asking him about Hostess, of setting him up.

Christie may think he’s funny, but he comes across as a paranoid fool.

 

 

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  1. Purre
    1 | November 17, 2012 5:08 pm


    Yeah. He needs both medication and therapy. I also recommend retirement from politics.


  2. gibsonz
    2 | November 17, 2012 5:17 pm

    That bloviating slob needs two things…A muzzle and a diet! On second thought, maybe only the muzzle is needed!


  3. Guggi
    3 | November 17, 2012 5:23 pm

    Who is this Chrsitie in the headline ? :-)


  4. 4 | November 17, 2012 5:28 pm

    Y’all are gonna need to set up a separate blog to get comments on this waste of space off the main event, like DoD is for another waste of bandwidth.


  5. John Difool
    5 | November 17, 2012 5:38 pm

    Just wait untill Kris Krispycreme finds out there will be no more Twinkies.

    He’ll make Cloverfield look like something from QVC


  6. 6 | November 17, 2012 5:48 pm

    How long will it take selrahC to laud Christie’s “bold stance”?


  7. Guggi
    7 | November 17, 2012 5:49 pm

    New York City Will Demolish Hundreds of Storm-Hit Homes

    About 200 homes in the neighborhoods hit hardest by Hurricane Sandy will be razed after a grim assessment of the storm-ravaged coast revealed that many structures were so damaged they pose a danger, the reporter William K. Rashbaum writes in Sunday’s New York Times.

    The homes will be bulldozed in the coming days, city officials said, almost all of them one- and two-family houses on Staten Island, in Queens and in Brooklyn. That is in addition to 200 houses that are already partially or completely burned down, washed away or otherwise damaged; those sites will also be cleared.

    In addition, the Buildings Department is still inspecting nearly 500 other damaged structures, some of which could also be demolished, according to the commissioner, Robert L. LiMandri.


  8. song_and_dance_man
    8 | November 17, 2012 5:51 pm

    Another type of Twinkie Defense


  9. 9 | November 17, 2012 6:18 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Just wait untill Kris Krispycreme finds out there will be no more Twinkies.
    He’ll make Cloverfield look like something from QVC

    I hate this guy.


  10. 10 | November 17, 2012 6:19 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I hope he overeats and just goes away.


  11. 11 | November 17, 2012 6:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I hope he overeats and just goes away.

    Now THAT sounds like someone we all know and love! :)


  12. John Difool
    12 | November 17, 2012 6:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Tolerates muzzies & hates guns.

    Why do we take this fat fuck seriously?


  13. citizen_q
    13 | November 17, 2012 6:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I hope he overeats

    I think that ship has sailed.

    Rodan wrote:

    just goes away.

    We should be so lucky. Seems to me the Christie of the bite-me biden school of public speech. We won’t be rid of him any time soon. I could see the demonrats supporting him, so as to have a flawed opponent. Kind of like they seemed to like McCain right up until he won the nomination.


  14. Bumr50
    14 | November 17, 2012 6:32 pm

    @ Macker:

    No.

    For that he’d have to ban people who disagreed with him from New Jersey.


  15. 15 | November 17, 2012 6:46 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    That is why Conservatives should donate to Cory Booker. Hopefully he can defeat Christie next year and we don’t have to hear about this loser anymore.


  16. 16 | November 17, 2012 6:47 pm

    @ Macker:

    Charles loves Christie now.


  17. Guggi
    17 | November 17, 2012 7:07 pm

    Ret. military chaplain: Infidelity is an ‘epidemic’

    The recent sex scandal that’s rocked the armed forces and the CIA has highlighted an often-unseen problem in military families: Marital infidelity. Anthony Mason and Rebecca Jarvis speak with two Army wives to understand if infidelity is the military’s dirty little secret.


  18. AZfederalist
    18 | November 17, 2012 7:15 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Tolerates muzzies & hates guns.

    Those two reasons, especially the latter, are why I never saw the fascination with this guy. Yeah, I love the fact he stood up to the Teachers’ Unions and is fiscally responsible. But his other political stands do not put him in the came county as any kind of conservative.


  19. AZfederalist
    19 | November 17, 2012 7:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Not sure that is a good strategy. Yeah, Christie is highly flawed, but he does get some things right. Best thing to do is just let New Jersey decide how it wants to proceed.


  20. Bumr50
    20 | November 17, 2012 7:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Hopefully he can defeat Christie next year and we don’t have to hear about this loser anymore.

    He’ll get a television show if that happens. Mark my words.


  21. 21 | November 17, 2012 7:24 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Not sure that is a good strategy. Yeah, Christie is highly flawed, but he does get some things right. Best thing to do is just let New Jersey decide how it wants to proceed.

    Christie is a traitor and must pay. He helped Obama get re-elected. If he gets re-elected in NJ, the GOP elites will push him for 2016. As we know, they always get their way.


  22. Lily
    22 | November 17, 2012 7:25 pm

    And the obama administration always tells the truth////////////

    White House Denies Editing Al-Qaeda Out Of Susan Rice’s Benghazi Talking Points, Blames The CIA…

    White House Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes put the blame back on the Central Intelligence Agency when asked about former CIA director David Petraeus’ claim that UN Ambassador Susan Rice’s talking points were edited to downplay al Qaida’s role in the Benghazi terrorist attack.

    “[T]he only edit that was made by the White House and also by the State Department was to change the word ‘consulate’ to the word ‘diplomatic facility,’ since the facility in Benghazi was not formally a consulate,” Rhodes told reporters today during a press gaggle. “Other than that we were guided by the points that were provided by the intelligence community.”

    Rhodes did not specifically acknowledge that al Qaida’s name was ever purged from the talking points. “I can’t speak to any other edits that may have been made,” he said.

    Petraeus told Congress yesterday that he knew almost immediately of al Qaida’s involvement in the September 11 assault, which claimed the lives of four Americans, and that the original talking points produced by the CIA made that clear.

    “The original talking points were much more specific about al Qaida involvement and yet the final one said ‘indications of extremists,’” House Homeland Security Committee chairman Pete King, R-N.Y., said yesterday after a closed door hearing with Petraeus. “It said ‘indicate’ even though it was clearly evident to the CIA that there was al Qaida involvement.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/17/white-house-denies-editing-al-qaeda-out-of-susan-rices-talking-points-points-finger-at-the-cia/


  23. 23 | November 17, 2012 7:25 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Jersey Shore 2: what happens when you stop using steroids!


  24. darkwords
    24 | November 17, 2012 7:27 pm

    In her Denver speech, Ms. Broadwell also revealed that besieged CIA operatives in Benghazi made a specific request for a “command in-extremis force.” These elite units, assigned to every regional command, consist of Delta Force operators and other special forces personnel. One of their specialties is providing quick reaction assistance to American facilities under attack.

    Apparently Petraues was using national security as foreplay. And his paramour was willing to spill to anyone who would listen.


  25. darkwords
    25 | November 17, 2012 7:30 pm

    Chris Christie like to use his power to control people he considers dumber than himself. Expect a soda ban soon. He doesn’t respect his own office.


  26. citizen_q
    26 | November 17, 2012 7:31 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ darkwords:
    This is beyond farce.


  27. eaglesoars
    27 | November 17, 2012 7:36 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    And his paramour was willing to spill to anyone who would listen.

    meh. I’m not giving Broadwell much benefit of the doubt these days. She’s a predator, a stalker, an embellisher.

    Whatever you think of Jill Kelley -- name dropper, social climber, generally silly person -- Broadwell DID stalk her out of a far too-well developed sense of paranoia and entitlement.


  28. darkwords
    28 | November 17, 2012 7:40 pm

    Dennis Prager ‏@DennisPrager
    “I’d sooner be governed by the 1st 2,000 names in the Boston telephone book than by the 2000 members of Harvard’s faculty” William F Buckley


  29. AZfederalist
    29 | November 17, 2012 7:42 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Those are all valid points. However, even if he is defeated, the GOP Establishment may still try pushing him for 2016. The media will express its love for Christie and proclaim how he is the only Republican who is electable in the current crop of candidates, the establishment will get their way, the press will turn on Christie and you have 2008 and 2012 all over again.

    I’m really starting to think a new party is needed. Not sure it can be in place for the 2016 presidential race, but it can certainly start with the congressional races in 2014. Unless the GOP changes its approach and standing as the stupid party, a new Constitutional party is needed. When the GOP establishment fears the Tea Party more than it fears the democrats; something is wrong.


  30. Lily
    30 | November 17, 2012 7:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Not sure that is a good strategy. Yeah, Christie is highly flawed, but he does get some things right. Best thing to do is just let New Jersey decide how it wants to proceed.

    Christie is a traitor and must pay. He helped Obama get re-elected. If he gets re-elected in NJ, the GOP elites will push him for 2016. As we know, they always get their way.

    Talked to an obama voter there were many reasons they voted for obama. For one the media is the biggest issue. They barely knew about Benghazi (that’s like blaming Bush for 9/11 and when told the embassy had been asking for more protection and was denied many times, they refused to believe that), obama was more centrist than Romney, the Republicans propaganda was getting annoying (from what I could tell the message was that obama was a failure at the fiscal level and at the foreign policy level…they did not believe this), they want obamacare…Romney was going to do away with it,(when told Romney was going to scrap it and do something better they refused to believe this), obama is not a socialist and they were tired of hearing that he was..in fact obama has been much better as president than Bush or any other president. Apparently they bought into the lie the MSM was pushing hook, line and sinker. They also believed that global warming is a problem and obama is actually trying to do something about it. (When I said that if you actually believe in global warming, and told them I didn’t, that one country cannot control the weather…in fact man cannot control the weather…they then said that the U.S. should be an example for other countries to follow…I laughed hard here and said China and Russia and the middle east and Africa are never going to throw money away on a damn ponzi scheme called Global Warming…then they started to yell…I said for one obama has put millions and millions of dollars into green energy and all are going bust when we don’t have the money to be throwing away right now…this did not compute. When people think like this …when they believe that propaganda is the truth….and the truth is propaganda I don’t know how you reach them. You can’t. It wasn’t just one reason..it was several and the MSM is at the forefront.


  31. eaglesoars
    31 | November 17, 2012 7:46 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    When the GOP establishment fears the Tea Party more than it fears the democrats; something is wrong.

    I think it fears the media more than the Dems


  32. 32 | November 17, 2012 7:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Just wait untill Kris Krispycreme finds out there will be no more Twinkies.
    He’ll make Cloverfield look like something from QVC

    I hate this guy.

    So do I.

    Any NORMAL person who knew the slightest thing about business and the economy would have said something about the unions, the business climate, and the lost jobs. A person who knew more about business might say something more about the current state of the food manufacturing industry in the US (whether there’s overcapacity, the effects of consolidation of grocery chains, profit margins, merchandising agreements with vendors -- you name it). But noooooo…it’s all about HIM.

    BTW, I don’t even eat Twinkies or whatever the hell else those people make. I have mental associations with stale wrapped-up stuff in dusty vending machines.


  33. Lily
    33 | November 17, 2012 7:51 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    I doubt a third party is going to help when half the nation has been brain-washed.


  34. eaglesoars
    34 | November 17, 2012 7:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    When people think like this …when they believe that propaganda is the truth….and the truth is propaganda I don’t know how you reach them.

    There’s probably a psychiatric definition of ‘pathology’ but I think of it as a pattern of thought that serves a psychological need for a sense of safety.

    Reality has nothing to do with it. I heard -- a few days before the election -- an interviewer punking Obama supporters.

    Political positions taken by Obama were attributed to Romney (supporting the Patriot act/warrantless wire-tapping, etc.). All of which they believed. When told the truth, that it’s Obama that took those positions, they didn’t ask for proof. They just a) called the interviewer a liar or b) said it couldn’t be true because Obama is a ‘liberal’


  35. 35 | November 17, 2012 7:53 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    And his paramour was willing to spill to anyone who would listen.
    meh. I’m not giving Broadwell much benefit of the doubt these days. She’s a predator, a stalker, an embellisher.
    Whatever you think of Jill Kelley — name dropper, social climber, generally silly person — Broadwell DID stalk her out of a far too-well developed sense of paranoia and entitlement.

    Bunch of miserable pinheaded rat-faced whores. Oh, and btw, Petraeus is no different.


  36. Lily
    36 | November 17, 2012 7:53 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:

    When the GOP establishment fears the Tea Party more than it fears the democrats; something is wrong.

    I think it fears the media more than the Dems

    Yep the media is the problem here. It is a huge problem.


  37. 37 | November 17, 2012 7:53 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ AZfederalist:
    I doubt a third party is going to help when half the nation has been brain-washed.

    It won’t.


  38. 38 | November 17, 2012 7:54 pm

    Unlike some of you (no offense Rodan) Hostess closing and there being no more Twinkies doesn’t bother me. I understand what happened, I feel bad for the non union people who lost their jobs, but like I said I UNDERSTAND what most of you seem to have not gotten yet.

    Hostess went Galt. Hostess was the first Major American corporation to go Galt. Funny thing about it is… John Galt was developing a new power source, one to provide unlimited and abundant power to the world. Hostess had already developed a power source, the Twinkie. Food is power for the human body. Hostess went Galt.

    John Galt refused to allow the Government to take over his business. Hostess refused to allow the Unions to take over their business, and as well all know, the Government has been using Unions to take over businesses, Hostess went Galt.

    Now the only real question left is… Where is Galt’s Gulch.


  39. AZfederalist
    39 | November 17, 2012 7:55 pm

    @ Lily:

    Not sure that kind of Obama voter is even redeemable. If they buy everything the media is selling, think Obama is a good president despite the economic conditions they should be able to observe around them, and get angry when the global warming religion is ridiculed; there’s not much that can be done to salvage that situation.

    MSM and education, these institutions are succeeding in their propaganda.


  40. song_and_dance_man
    40 | November 17, 2012 7:58 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    It is being reported the Hostess brands will be sold. So, no need to buy some Ho Ho’s at ebay for a hundred bucks.


  41. Dolphin
    41 | November 17, 2012 7:59 pm

    @ Guggi:
    Won’t happen. Didn’t happen in NO. Home owners and lawyers blocked it. If I understand it now there are numerous neighborhoods just rotting, but until “home owners” default on their taxes the property is the owners and the state/feds can’t do anything with it.

    I may be wrong, but if so, tell me why there are home still damaged by Katrina sitting in NO?


  42. 42 | November 17, 2012 8:00 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    It is being reported the Hostess brands will be sold. So, no need to buy some Ho Ho’s at ebay for a hundred bucks.

    Meh… I don’t care much for sweets… :oops:


  43. eaglesoars
    43 | November 17, 2012 8:00 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Hostess went Galt

    That’s what I thought at first -- until I found out they’re $3 BILLION dollars in debt and no savior on the horizon -- and had at least 40 pension plans to manage.

    That’s not Galt. That’s homicide.


  44. eaglesoars
    44 | November 17, 2012 8:02 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    I may be wrong, but if so, tell me why there are home still damaged by Katrina sitting in NO?

    The differences MAY be in the eminent domain laws in each state.

    Just an idea, I have no knowledge.


  45. Lily
    45 | November 17, 2012 8:02 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    When people think like this …when they believe that propaganda is the truth….and the truth is propaganda I don’t know how you reach them.

    There’s probably a psychiatric definition of ‘pathology’ but I think of it as a pattern of thought that serves a psychological need for a sense of safety.

    Reality has nothing to do with it. I heard — a few days before the election — an interviewer punking Obama supporters.

    Political positions taken by Obama were attributed to Romney (supporting the Patriot act/warrantless wire-tapping, etc.). All of which they believed. When told the truth, that it’s Obama that took those positions, they didn’t ask for proof. They just a) called the interviewer a liar or b) said it couldn’t be true because Obama is a ‘liberal’

    I saw that interview too…they simply will not believe what is going on. Because it is truly some bad stuff obama is doing. So their only retort is *I don’t believe that and that isn’t true*….the media is still very powerful and way too many people will not or cannot believe the real truth. All I had to say is …in a year we will see who is right. For one they don’t see that something each and everyday since obama has been re-elected the sh*t has hit the fan. And if anything bad does happen they will not blame obama…word for word here..if things do get worse it will be because of the Republicans and not obama ..because the Republicans will not work with obama….the thing is obama doesn’t work with the Republicans and even democrats..they simply cannot accept the truth.


  46. song_and_dance_man
    46 | November 17, 2012 8:02 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    MSM and education, these institutions are succeeding in their propaganda.

    That was the plan of the 60′s U radicals. First, take over the educational institutions then send their ranks(punuendo intended) into the Chattering class to further take hold of Hollywood, the means of distributing popular media and the news agencies.


  47. 47 | November 17, 2012 8:03 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Now the only real question left is… Where is Galt’s Gulch.

    Not on US soil, I’ll tell you that much.

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    It is being reported the Hostess brands will be sold. So, no need to buy some Ho Ho’s at ebay for a hundred bucks.

    Brands that are sold aren’t necessarily made the same way afterward. Nor do the companies buying the brands necessarily keep making them for more than a limited period of time. The whole point of buying them might be to eliminate competition.

    The Canadian version of the Hostess stuff was already under different ownership. You can still buy that crap across the border, or have somebody send it to you.


  48. 48 | November 17, 2012 8:04 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Hostess went Galt
    That’s what I thought at first — until I found out they’re $3 BILLION dollars in debt and no savior on the horizon — and had at least 40 pension plans to manage.
    That’s not Galt. That’s homicide.

    Na, 3 Billion in debt isn’t unmanageable when you have an annual revenue of 2.8 Billion a year.


  49. 49 | November 17, 2012 8:05 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:
    MSM and education, these institutions are succeeding in their propaganda.
    That was the plan of the 60′s U radicals. First, take over the educational institutions then send their ranks(punuendo intended) into the Chattering class to further take hold of Hollywood, the means of distributing popular media and the news agencies.

    That wasn’t the radical 60′s plan, that was the Marxist plan dating back to 1919.


  50. song_and_dance_man
    50 | November 17, 2012 8:07 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Meh… I don’t care much for sweets…

    Nor do I. I never eat candy and like only slightly sweetened anything. I prefer savory. Although liking coconut I do occasionally eat Snowballs.


  51. Purre
    51 | November 17, 2012 8:08 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    More like unions committed suicide. Just like papermill workers’ union did here in Finland with several large paper mills. They wanted more and more for themselves without any regards to the company’s situation on the markets. Sure, management also shares blame on both cases for stupid decisions, but the unions sawed off their own branches.


  52. song_and_dance_man
    52 | November 17, 2012 8:09 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    That wasn’t the radical 60′s plan, that was the Marxist plan dating back to 1919.

    Agreed. The 60′s radicals could be said to have sealed the deal.


  53. Lily
    53 | November 17, 2012 8:10 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Not sure that kind of Obama voter is even redeemable. If they buy everything the media is selling, think Obama is a good president despite the economic conditions they should be able to observe around them, and get angry when the global warming religion is ridiculed; there’s not much that can be done to salvage that situation.

    MSM and education, these institutions are succeeding in their propaganda.

    Oh but this person would have voted for Jindal. Look this person isn’t stupid nor a Republican or a Democrat. The problem is the media is brain-washing too many people..for one they aren’t reporting a lot crap obama has been doing. This isn’t a college student or someone in their 30′s….nor was it a person who wanted *free stuff*. To actually acknowledge the fact obama is so bad for this country does not compute. Just doesn’t. And trust me they believed it was the Republicans who ran a very negative campaign …so for the GOP to even get nastier in their campaigning isn’t going to work. Just isn’t. It’s the media and it’s a huge problem.


  54. Tanker
    54 | November 17, 2012 8:10 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Unlike some of you (no offense Rodan) Hostess closing and there being no more Twinkies doesn’t bother me. I understand what happened, I feel bad for the non union people who lost their jobs, but like I said I UNDERSTAND what most of you seem to have not gotten yet.
    Hostess went Galt. Hostess was the first Major American corporation to go Galt. Funny thing about it is… John Galt was developing a new power source, one to provide unlimited and abundant power to the world. Hostess had already developed a power source, the Twinkie. Food is power for the human body. Hostess went Galt.
    John Galt refused to allow the Government to take over his business. Hostess refused to allow the Unions to take over their business, and as well all know, the Government has been using Unions to take over businesses, Hostess went Galt.
    Now the only real question left is… Where is Galt’s Gulch.

    Look for other companies and individuals to do the same. As I read somewhere people with money (Investors) many of whom don’t need to have income will pull out of the investment side and live well on their principle. Sure, they’d like to make money as do we all, but they don’t have too. Going Galt made very well become fashionable for the so called rich!


  55. 55 | November 17, 2012 8:11 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Meh… I don’t care much for sweets…
    Nor do I. I never eat candy and like only slightly sweetened anything. I prefer savory. Although liking coconut I do occasionally eat Snowballs.

    Don’t get me wrong here, I am addicted to sweat tea, drink it by the gallon literally. But pies and cakes and candy…Meh…


  56. 56 | November 17, 2012 8:12 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    That wasn’t the radical 60′s plan, that was the Marxist plan dating back to 1919.
    Agreed. The 60′s radicals could be said to have sealed the deal.

    Yup, that they did. Indoctrinated in their colleges by old school Marxist progressive professors they bought the lies and propaganda lock stock and barrel.


  57. song_and_dance_man
    57 | November 17, 2012 8:16 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Brands that are sold aren’t necessarily made the same way afterward. Nor do the companies buying the brands necessarily keep making them for more than a limited period of time.

    Like Fiat sending the manufacturing of Jeep to China.


  58. Lily
    58 | November 17, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I love pastries…they don’t love me back though. ;)
    /the horrors sweet tea???? No sugar in my tea… 8-)


  59. Guggi
    59 | November 17, 2012 8:18 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    In her Denver speech, Ms. Broadwell also revealed that besieged CIA operatives in Benghazi made a specific request for a “command in-extremis force.”

    This was reported BEFORE her speech by Fox News.


  60. 60 | November 17, 2012 8:19 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Sure, they’d like to make money as do we all,

    It isn’t even so much that they would like to make money, as it is, that quiet honestly, their not ready to move into the old folks homes and sit passively by watching the world go by. Yes, I know several of those very wealthy types. They made their money making things. They thrive on the challenges of making things.

    My good friend Carter Penely is like that. He invented the concept of the carbon-fiber composite tube, invented the Carbon-fiber/graphite golf shaft. Manufactured the very best golf shaft on earth until he sold his company for 8 figures. Got bored to death in retirement and is now attempting to start over again manufacturing carbon-fiber/graphite golf shafts. The State of California is apparently doing pretty much everything they can to make it impossible for his to manufacture carbon-fiber/graphite golf shafts again.


  61. song_and_dance_man
    61 | November 17, 2012 8:20 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Na, 3 Billion in debt isn’t unmanageable when you have an annual revenue of 2.8 Billion a year.

    That’s revenue. What was the annual liability? I bet when this story is fully vetted it was ChairCare that gave them no choice but to fold. But the story will go away as others are faced with the same internals, and we will then hear about the latest big failure.


  62. eaglesoars
    62 | November 17, 2012 8:21 pm

    Purre wrote:

    More like unions committed suicide.

    Oh yeah. It’s been going on here for years. The unions are in large part responsible for the decline in auto industry, steel (altho China had a part), textiles -- there used to be a lot of textiles manufacturing in the Carolinas -- most of it gone now.

    You’d think they’d learn. “We double down on stupid” should be their motto.


  63. song_and_dance_man
    63 | November 17, 2012 8:22 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I love pastries…they don’t love me back though.

    If I am ever tempted to eat a donut I first put it in my back pocket just to see what it will look like after I eat it.


  64. 64 | November 17, 2012 8:22 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Brands that are sold aren’t necessarily made the same way afterward.

    No, they are not. In my post #60 I refer to my friend Carter Penely, who sold Penely Sport’s to Sports Arena Manufacturing. They did not make their shafts according to Carter’s specifications and did serious damage to Carter’s reputation.


  65. eaglesoars
    65 | November 17, 2012 8:23 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    What was the annual liability? I

    I believe it was $1.4 bil.


  66. Lily
    66 | November 17, 2012 8:24 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I love pastries…they don’t love me back though.

    If I am ever tempted to eat a donut I first put it in my back pocket just to see what it will look like after I eat it.

    Oh I wouldn’t gain weight from them. Not at all. They don’t settle well with the tummy and I will actually lose weight.


  67. 67 | November 17, 2012 8:26 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Na, 3 Billion in debt isn’t unmanageable when you have an annual revenue of 2.8 Billion a year.
    That’s revenue. What was the annual liability? I bet when this story is fully vetted it was ChairCare that gave them no choice but to fold. But the story will go away as others are faced with the same internals, and we will then hear about the latest big failure.

    I’d have to see the internals, but I would bet that 60 percent or more of that 3 Billion in debt was Amortizable recurring overhead. I.e. machinery and facilities.


  68. eaglesoars
    68 | November 17, 2012 8:27 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    The State of California is apparently doing pretty much everything they can to make it impossible for his to manufacture carbon-fiber/graphite golf shafts again.

    No offense, dorian, but has it ocurred to your friend to leave California for friendlier environs?


  69. waldensianspirit
    69 | November 17, 2012 8:28 pm

    A 2009 Pravda article going the email rounds
    American capitalism gone with a whimper


  70. 70 | November 17, 2012 8:30 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    The State of California is apparently doing pretty much everything they can to make it impossible for his to manufacture carbon-fiber/graphite golf shafts again.
    No offense, dorian, but has it ocurred to your friend to leave California for friendlier environs?

    It has, but he is in love with California. (NOT California’s politics) You really have to live here for awhile to understand why we put up with all this bullshit. It really is insanely beautiful here and the weather, well it may not be perfect, but it’s so damned close to it it’s almost scary.


  71. 71 | November 17, 2012 8:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I love pastries…they don’t love me back though.
    If I am ever tempted to eat a donut I first put it in my back pocket just to see what it will look like after I eat it.

    Oh I wouldn’t gain weight from them. Not at all. They don’t settle well with the tummy and I will actually lose weight.

    I’m that way with the canned chili that my husband likes to eat. It takes a much quicker and more painful path through my system than it does through other people’s. Dunno why.


  72. song_and_dance_man
    72 | November 17, 2012 8:33 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    textiles — there used to be a lot of textiles manufacturing in the Carolinas — most of it gone now.

    You’d think they’d learn. “We double down on stupid” should be their motto.

    I haven’t been to SoCal in 7 years, and before that going back maybe 20 years, they had a good hold on the garment industry. I wonder if those jobs have also been exported to China.


  73. eaglesoars
    73 | November 17, 2012 8:34 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    I’d have to see the internals

    good summary


  74. eaglesoars
    74 | November 17, 2012 8:36 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    It really is insanely beautiful here and the weather, well it may not be perfect, but it’s so damned close to it it’s almost scary

    You’re not the first person to say that. Also, as VDH pointed out, if your family has been there for generations and has history w/the land………………..


  75. waldensianspirit
    75 | November 17, 2012 8:39 pm

    Gov Moonbeam land


  76. song_and_dance_man
    76 | November 17, 2012 8:41 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Oh I wouldn’t gain weight from them. Not at all. They don’t settle well with the tummy and I will actually lose weight.

    If my metabolism was that way I’d be eating raw sugar.


  77. Dolphin
    77 | November 17, 2012 8:41 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Me either, but would you, as a home owner (that has been in your family for 50-100 years) turn it over to the government? And for what?


  78. waldensianspirit
    78 | November 17, 2012 8:43 pm

    Gotta do the Darrell Issa eminent domain style!


  79. song_and_dance_man
    79 | November 17, 2012 8:44 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    I’d have to see the internals, but I would bet that 60 percent or more of that 3 Billion in debt was Amortizable recurring overhead. I.e. machinery and facilities.

    I’m not that interested in the story other than the fact 18k people are going to be laid off.


  80. eaglesoars
    80 | November 17, 2012 8:45 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Me either, but would you, as a home owner (that has been in your family for 50-100 years) turn it over to the government? And for what?

    Oh HELL NO!!

    I wasn’t passing judgement, just thinking out loud…………….


  81. song_and_dance_man
    81 | November 17, 2012 8:47 pm

    SoCal is a great place to live, just as long as you don’t have to live there. And I have no regrets leaving it after 40+ years.


  82. 82 | November 17, 2012 8:49 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    SoCal is a great place to live, just as long as you don’t have to live there.

    ROTFLMAO… SoCal would be a paradise if the damned liberals would just all go lemming… :twisted:


  83. song_and_dance_man
    83 | November 17, 2012 8:50 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Look for other companies and individuals to do the same.

    The unsustainable profit v. liability will cause many others to fold.


  84. Dolphin
    84 | November 17, 2012 8:53 pm

    @ Lily:
    Lucky you! That is the grease the are fried in.

    Just checking in. Cooked all day for tomorrows games and prepping for Thanksgiving. Watching the OR vs. Stans game.

    GO DUCKS!!!


  85. song_and_dance_man
    85 | November 17, 2012 8:55 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    prepping for Thanksgiving….GO DUCKS!!!

    I’ve never had duck for thanksgiving. Nor cheered for them. But what the heck…Go TURKEYS///


  86. waldensianspirit
    86 | November 17, 2012 8:56 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Delta smelt are higher on the food chain than you


  87. Guggi
    87 | November 17, 2012 8:57 pm

    The best Maggie Thatcher ever did was to cut the throat of the unions.


  88. waldensianspirit
    88 | November 17, 2012 8:58 pm

    http://www.akdart.com/esa.html


  89. song_and_dance_man
    89 | November 17, 2012 8:58 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I’m that way with the canned chili that my husband likes to eat. It takes a much quicker and more painful path through my system than it does through other people’s. Dunno why.

    I am with you. Cannot stand canned chili.


  90. Dolphin
    90 | November 17, 2012 8:59 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Sticks out tongue and does a raspberry. LOL!


  91. brookly red
    91 | November 17, 2012 8:59 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    The best Maggie Thatcher ever did was to cut the throat of the unions.

    well this could get bloody…http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/thousands-of-lax-workers-set-for-walkout-on-thanksgiving-eve/


  92. song_and_dance_man
    92 | November 17, 2012 9:00 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    SoCal would be a paradise if the damned liberals would just all go lemming

    Based on what I’ve read or heard the lemming is in full gear.


  93. 93 | November 17, 2012 9:02 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    The State of California is apparently doing pretty much everything they can to make it impossible for his to manufacture carbon-fiber/graphite golf shafts again.
    No offense, dorian, but has it ocurred to your friend to leave California for friendlier environs?

    It has, but he is in love with California. (NOT California’s politics) You really have to live here for awhile to understand why we put up with all this bullshit. It really is insanely beautiful here and the weather, well it may not be perfect, but it’s so damned close to it it’s almost scary.

    I hear from reliable sources that the climate in some parts of Chile is pretty much the same.

    Except the scenery is more beautiful.

    Just sayin’.


  94. song_and_dance_man
    94 | November 17, 2012 9:05 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    http://www.akdart.com/esa.html

    In order to prove that a species is extinct (or even endangered), you must be able to prove that you know the location of every specimen of that species.

    It’s not the preponderance of evidence that matters, it’s the seriousness of the charge.

    /tin foil propeller beanie off


  95. 95 | November 17, 2012 9:05 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    I’m that way with the canned chili that my husband likes to eat. It takes a much quicker and more painful path through my system than it does through other people’s. Dunno why.
    I am with you. Cannot stand canned chili.

    Canned chili is an abomination unto the Lord.

    It isn’t THAT hard to make actual chili on a stove, with or without beans. No, it isn’t cheating to use canned tomatoes in it. But it IS cheating to put in meat that you haven’t browned first in a pan.


  96. Guggi
    96 | November 17, 2012 9:06 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well this could get bloody…

    …and no iron lady in sight :-(


  97. eaglesoars
    97 | November 17, 2012 9:06 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I hear from reliable sources that the climate in some parts of Chile is pretty much the same.

    Including the earthquakes


  98. brookly red
    98 | November 17, 2012 9:09 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    well this could get bloody…

    …and no iron lady in sight

    1,000 union thugs vs 1.8 MILLION stranded travelers? It could get interesting…


  99. 99 | November 17, 2012 9:11 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    The best Maggie Thatcher ever did was to cut the throat of the unions.

    well this could get bloody…http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/thousands-of-lax-workers-set-for-walkout-on-thanksgiving-eve/

    Advice for the rest of us, regardless of the immediate outcome:

    Quarantine California. Starve out their state grabbermint. Don’t visit it. Don’t do any taxable business with anybody located there. Disown any relatives who live there until such time as they LEAVE.

    We need to make that hell hole SECEDE from the rest of the US. It’s a giant sucking fiscal wound that we cannot recover from. That goes double for California academia, and triple for the entertainment industry.


  100. 100 | November 17, 2012 9:12 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    I hear from reliable sources that the climate in some parts of Chile is pretty much the same.
    Including the earthquakes

    That risk I can take. There are dangers everywhere.

    It’s the PEOPLE (a/k/a pervs, leaches, Muslims, eco-freaks, and commies) that make those other risks NOT worth taking.


  101. song_and_dance_man
    101 | November 17, 2012 9:12 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I hear from reliable sources that the climate in some parts of Chile is pretty much the same.

    Except the scenery is more beautiful.

    Just sayin’.

    Never been there, but I do know some that spent years there. Chile to me, looking at a map, is like CA. Except skinnier.


  102. brookly red
    102 | November 17, 2012 9:14 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    The best Maggie Thatcher ever did was to cut the throat of the unions.

    well this could get bloody…http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/thousands-of-lax-workers-set-for-walkout-on-thanksgiving-eve/

    Advice for the rest of us, regardless of the immediate outcome:

    Quarantine California. Starve it out. Don’t visit it. Don’t do business with anybody located there. Disown any relatives who live there until such time as they LEAVE.

    We need to make that hell hole SECEDE from the rest of the US. It’s a giant sucking fiscal wound that we cannot recover from. That goes double for California academia, and triple for the entertainment industry.

    I admire your spirit but I think we need to get some return on our investment…


  103. brookly red
    103 | November 17, 2012 9:15 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Never been there, but I do know some that spent years there. Chile to me, looking at a map, is like CA. Except skinnier.

    but the speak a different dialogue of Spanish…


  104. 105 | November 17, 2012 9:18 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    Never been there, but I do know some that spent years there. Chile to me, looking at a map, is like CA. Except skinnier.
    but the speak a different dialogue of Spanish…

    That’s true. There are books out there on the different dialects and idioms that are used in various parts of Latin America.


  105. song_and_dance_man
    106 | November 17, 2012 9:22 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Canned chili is an abomination unto the Lord.

    Amen. NM has an obsession with chili for the fact that most consider the chili grown here is rated tops world wide. And I agree. You can get green or red on many national franchised fast food that cannot be gotten in any other area. 1389AD wrote:

    It isn’t THAT hard to make actual chili on a stove, with or without beans. No, it isn’t cheating to use canned tomatoes in it. But it IS cheating to put in meat that you haven’t browned first in a pan.

    Yep. I avoid all canned meat with the exception of tuna.

    Green chili stew is a staple here and there is nothing better than pan roasting those Hatch chili’s and putting them together with pan roasted meat(beef or pork) and sending them into the pot to do what they were grown to do.

    That’s it. I’m making a big batch tomorrow.

    Now the red is another matter, and much more involved. My mouth is watering.


  106. lobo91
    107 | November 17, 2012 9:32 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Amen. NM has an obsession with chili for the fact that most consider the chili grown here is rated tops world wide. And I agree. You can get green or red on many national franchised fast food that cannot be gotten in any other area.

    Of course, that has little or nothing in common with the brown stuff they serve in the rest of the country, canned or otherwise.


  107. lobo91
    108 | November 17, 2012 9:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And speaking of an abomination, that crap they make in Cincinnati should be outlawed.

    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.


  108. Buckeye Abroad
    109 | November 17, 2012 9:37 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Never been there, but I do know some that spent years there. Chile to me, looking at a map, is like CA. Except skinnier.

    but the speak a different dialogue of Spanish…

    I have good friend from Chile who lives in Madrid with his wife-- she’s originally from Columbia. They told me the dialectic is completely different all over South America.


  109. brookly red
    110 | November 17, 2012 9:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    And speaking of an abomination, that crap they make in Cincinnati should be outlawed.

    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.

    now you know how I feel about pineapple on pizza…a crime against God and nature.


  110. brookly red
    111 | November 17, 2012 9:38 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Never been there, but I do know some that spent years there. Chile to me, looking at a map, is like CA. Except skinnier.

    but the speak a different dialogue of Spanish…

    I have good friend from Chile who lives in Madrid with his wife-- she’s originally from Columbia. They told me the dialectic is completely different all over South America.

    yes I was originally snarking that Californians could not relocate to Chile


  111. Buckeye Abroad
    112 | November 17, 2012 9:40 pm

    @ brookly red:

    yes I was originally snarking that Californians could not relocate to Chile

    They wouldn’t want them anyway. Allende is dead. Californians should take note.


  112. 113 | November 17, 2012 9:40 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    And speaking of an abomination, that crap they make in Cincinnati should be outlawed.
    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.

    now you know how I feel about pineapple on pizza…a crime against God and nature.

    It sure is!

    Sweetened stuff and/or fruit DOES NOT BELONG ON PIZZA!!!!!

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    And speaking of an abomination, that crap they make in Cincinnati should be outlawed.
    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.

    You got THAT right.


  113. eaglesoars
    114 | November 17, 2012 9:42 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    I have good friend from Chile who lives in Madrid with his wife-- she’s originally from Columbia. They told me the dialectic is completely different all over South America.

    It’s different EVERYWHERE. British English isn’t the same as American English. And don’t study Spanish for a trip to Spain using materials meant for Mexican Spanish.

    Parisian French sounds very different from what you hear in Marsailles.

    Does.
    Not.
    Work.


  114. 115 | November 17, 2012 9:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Not sure that is a good strategy. Yeah, Christie is highly flawed, but he does get some things right. Best thing to do is just let New Jersey decide how it wants to proceed.

    Christie is a traitor and must pay. He helped Obama get re-elected. If he gets re-elected in NJ, the GOP elites will push him for 2016. As we know, they always get their way.

    I just went back to the original on YouTube and it sure looks to me as though Gov Christie and/or his henchmen posted the video themselves! Yes, everything has to be about HIM!


  115. song_and_dance_man
    116 | November 17, 2012 9:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Of course, that has little or nothing in common with the brown stuff they serve in the rest of the country, canned or otherwise.

    There are plenty of dives in SoCal and elsewhere that make chili the old fashioned way. Finding them is another matter that takes testing or the help of a friend.


  116. eaglesoars
    117 | November 17, 2012 9:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.

    I’ll say.

    Altho’ I like cumin in mine.


  117. lobo91
    118 | November 17, 2012 9:44 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Parisian French sounds very different from what you hear in Marsailles.

    That’s because most of the people in Marseilles speak Arabic, not French.


  118. brookly red
    119 | November 17, 2012 9:44 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    And speaking of an abomination, that crap they make in Cincinnati should be outlawed.
    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.

    now you know how I feel about pineapple on pizza…a crime against God and nature.

    It sure is!

    Sweetened stuff and/or fruit DOES NOT BELONG ON PIZZA!!!!!

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    And speaking of an abomination, that crap they make in Cincinnati should be outlawed.
    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.

    You got THAT right.

    we need a top ten list of un-Godly foods… so far I got pineapple on pizza, cinnamon in chili, cream cheese in sushi, and sweet-n-low on grits…


  119. song_and_dance_man
    120 | November 17, 2012 9:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.

    No it is not. Cumin or oregano


  120. lobo91
    121 | November 17, 2012 9:45 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.

    I’ll say.

    Altho’ I like cumin in mine.

    Just keep the cilantro away.


  121. eaglesoars
    122 | November 17, 2012 9:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That’s because most of the people in Marseilles speak Arabic, not French.

    Now that you mention it, Paris may not be far behind…………


  122. eaglesoars
    123 | November 17, 2012 9:46 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    sweet-n-low on grits…

    You made that up.

    YES YOU DID!!!


  123. eaglesoars
    124 | November 17, 2012 9:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Just keep the cilantro away.

    A lot of people have a viscerally negative response to cilantro. I happen to love it but I’ve never put it in chili


  124. lobo91
    125 | November 17, 2012 9:48 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I’ll stick with my green chili stew.

    Ground pork, potatoes, garlic, diced tomatoes, white hominy, and green chili.

    I usually bring a bunch of frozen Bueno Autumn Roast back with me when I drive down to NM.


  125. 126 | November 17, 2012 9:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    And speaking of an abomination, that crap they make in Cincinnati should be outlawed.
    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.
    now you know how I feel about pineapple on pizza…a crime against God and nature.
    It sure is!
    Sweetened stuff and/or fruit DOES NOT BELONG ON PIZZA!!!!!
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    And speaking of an abomination, that crap they make in Cincinnati should be outlawed.
    Cinammon is not a proper ingredient in chili.
    You got THAT right.

    we need a top ten list of un-Godly foods… so far I got pineapple on pizza, cinnamon in chili, cream cheese in sushi, and sweet-n-low on grits…

    Beets on a Greek salad (Detroit).


  126. brookly red
    127 | November 17, 2012 9:49 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    sweet-n-low on grits…

    You made that up.

    YES YOU DID!!!

    no… I took a French girl to an oyster fest in VA once. Not something I am proud of.


  127. song_and_dance_man
    128 | November 17, 2012 9:50 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    now you know how I feel about pineapple on pizza…a crime against God and nature.

    Although the mix is abominable that pizza should not have, it does have a certain je ne sais quoi that tastes OK. A bit sweet, but what the heck? It’s a seller.


  128. brookly red
    129 | November 17, 2012 9:51 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    now you know how I feel about pineapple on pizza…a crime against God and nature.

    Although the mix is abominable that pizza should not have, it does have a certain je ne sais quoi that tastes OK. A bit sweet, but what the heck? It’s a seller.

    INFADEL!


  129. eaglesoars
    130 | November 17, 2012 9:53 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I took a French girl to an oyster fest in VA once. Not something I am proud of.

    Confirms what I suspect -- the French palate for cuisine is overrated. Went to dinner where the French hostess made vichysoise.

    Cold milk w/chives.


  130. 131 | November 17, 2012 9:53 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    now you know how I feel about pineapple on pizza…a crime against God and nature.
    Although the mix is abominable that pizza should not have, it does have a certain je ne sais quoi that tastes OK. A bit sweet, but what the heck? It’s a seller.

    But then, I can’t STAND it when people (or packaged food companies) put vinegar in spaghetti sauce -- then add SUGAR to cut the excessive sourness.

    How ’bout you just use the natural acidity of the tomatoes, leave it at that?

    Another thing that’s disgusting:

    Putting a ton of ketchup on meat loaf after it’s already cooked, before serving it.

    Putting ketchup on meat loaf BEFORE it’s cooked lets the flavor mellow.

    Adding it afterward is gross, and if people wanna do that, let ‘em pour the ketchup over the meat loaf on their OWN plate, not in the serving dish.


  131. song_and_dance_man
    132 | November 17, 2012 9:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    so far I got pineapple on pizza, cinnamon in chili, cream cheese in sushi, and sweet-n-low on grits…

    My cousin put ketchup and pickle juice in his pinto beans. I think this qualifies.

    I used to go to the Dairy Queen and order fries and a vanilla cone and dip the fries into the ice ceram. That may also qualify.


  132. brookly red
    133 | November 17, 2012 9:56 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    now you know how I feel about pineapple on pizza…a crime against God and nature.
    Although the mix is abominable that pizza should not have, it does have a certain je ne sais quoi that tastes OK. A bit sweet, but what the heck? It’s a seller.

    But then, I can’t STAND it when people (or packaged food companies) put vinegar in spaghetti sauce — then add SUGAR to cut the excessive sourness.

    How ’bout you just use the natural acidity of the tomatoes, leave it at that?

    Another thing that’s disgusting:

    Putting a ton of ketchup on meat loaf after it’s already cooked, before serving it.

    Putting ketchup on meat loaf BEFORE it’s cooked lets the flavor mellow.

    Adding it afterward is gross, and if people wanna do that, let ‘em pour the ketchup over the meat loaf on their OWN plate, not in the serving dish.

    Ketchup is not a food it is an art form.


  133. song_and_dance_man
    134 | November 17, 2012 9:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Ground pork, potatoes, garlic, diced tomatoes, white hominy, and green chili.

    Put some black beans in there and shazaam.


  134. brookly red
    135 | November 17, 2012 9:58 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I used to go to the Dairy Queen and order fries and a vanilla cone and dip the fries into the ice ceram. That may also qualify.

    maybe… if you were over 18 it is a felony.


  135. brookly red
    136 | November 17, 2012 9:59 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    so far I got pineapple on pizza, cinnamon in chili, cream cheese in sushi, and sweet-n-low on grits…

    My cousin put ketchup and pickle juice in his pinto beans. I think this qualifies.

    I used to go to the Dairy Queen and order fries and a vanilla cone and dip the fries into the ice ceram. That may also qualify.

    you were stoned I presume?


  136. lobo91
    137 | November 17, 2012 10:00 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Ground pork, potatoes, garlic, diced tomatoes, white hominy, and green chili.

    Put some black beans in there and shazaam.

    I could have you deported from New Mexico for suggesting that.

    Unless you live in Santa Fe.


  137. 138 | November 17, 2012 10:00 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    so far I got pineapple on pizza, cinnamon in chili, cream cheese in sushi, and sweet-n-low on grits…
    My cousin put ketchup and pickle juice in his pinto beans. I think this qualifies.
    I used to go to the Dairy Queen and order fries and a vanilla cone and dip the fries into the ice ceram. That may also qualify.

    Are these one-offs -- a culinary quirk of just one person or family -- or do they reflect more widespread culinary wrongdoing (as with the pineapple pizza)?


  138. song_and_dance_man
    139 | November 17, 2012 10:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    A lot of people have a viscerally negative response to cilantro. I happen to love it but I’ve never put it in chili

    It’s best used as a condiment and palate cleaner. It does work in certain salsa’s to take the edge off. But who wants that? I want the kick.


  139. 140 | November 17, 2012 10:01 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    A lot of people have a viscerally negative response to cilantro. I happen to love it but I’ve never put it in chili
    It’s best used as a condiment and palate cleaner. It does work in certain salsa’s to take the edge off. But who wants that? I want the kick.

    Some people think cilantro tastes soapy.


  140. song_and_dance_man
    141 | November 17, 2012 10:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Ketchup is not a food it is an art form.

    It is also a Kerry profit if you buy the Heinz brand.


  141. song_and_dance_man
    142 | November 17, 2012 10:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    maybe… if you were over 18 it is a felony.

    I discovered the extraordinary taste at about 12 or 13. Result? Culinary misdemeanor.

    So what was your childhood discovery of weird taste. No dirt, stamp or envelope tasting testimony please.

    /this one may be too young to remember the smell of a mimeograph school sheet.


  142. brookly red
    143 | November 17, 2012 10:07 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    a Kerry profit if you buy the Heinz brand.

    I usually get the local “artisan” type with chipolte (sp?)


  143. 144 | November 17, 2012 10:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Just keep the cilantro away.

    Ya can’t make Salsa without cilantro… Just sayin…


  144. 145 | November 17, 2012 10:10 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    A lot of people have a viscerally negative response to cilantro. I happen to love it but I’ve never put it in chili
    It’s best used as a condiment and palate cleaner. It does work in certain salsa’s to take the edge off. But who wants that? I want the kick.

    I make a seven chili pepper salsa that uses cilantro that has all the kick you can handle and probably more. :twisted:


  145. brookly red
    146 | November 17, 2012 10:10 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    maybe… if you were over 18 it is a felony.

    I discovered the extraordinary taste at about 12 or 13. Result? Culinary misdemeanor.

    So what was your childhood discovery of weird taste. No dirt, stamp or envelope tasting testimony please.

    /this one may be too young to remember the smell of a mimeograph school sheet.

    when I was a kid I would put the yogurt sauce from a gryo on fries along with gravy…


  146. eaglesoars
    147 | November 17, 2012 10:11 pm

    ok, does anyone else put salt on fresh watermelon?


  147. 148 | November 17, 2012 10:12 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    ok, does anyone else put salt on fresh watermelon?

    Not me, but mom does… And she put’s it on freshly sliced apples.


  148. brookly red
    149 | November 17, 2012 10:12 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    ok, does anyone else put salt on fresh watermelon?

    /Charles Manson…


  149. song_and_dance_man
    150 | November 17, 2012 10:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I could have you deported from New Mexico for suggesting that.

    Unless you live in Santa Fe.

    Green chile stew has moved on from the basics. There is a fine amateur cook at work (and brings it for pot luck weekend)that adds two types of squash to his rendition. And it is outstanding.


  150. eaglesoars
    151 | November 17, 2012 10:13 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    And she put’s it on freshly sliced apples.

    yeppers! Is Mom from the northeast perchance?


  151. brookly red
    152 | November 17, 2012 10:14 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    And she put’s it on freshly sliced apples.

    yeppers! Is Mom from the northeast perchance?

    salt is a controlled substance here…


  152. eaglesoars
    153 | November 17, 2012 10:15 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    salt is a controlled substance here…

    my sincere condolences


  153. 154 | November 17, 2012 10:16 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    And she put’s it on freshly sliced apples.
    yeppers! Is Mom from the northeast perchance?

    Nope, Seattle Washington.


  154. brookly red
    155 | November 17, 2012 10:16 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    salt is a controlled substance here…

    my sincere condolences

    Bloomberg…


  155. lobo91
    156 | November 17, 2012 10:17 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Green chile stew has moved on from the basics. There is a fine amateur cook at work (and brings it for pot luck weekend)that adds two types of squash to his rendition. And it is outstanding.

    I’m calling the National Guard.


  156. 157 | November 17, 2012 10:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Green chile stew has moved on from the basics. There is a fine amateur cook at work (and brings it for pot luck weekend)that adds two types of squash to his rendition. And it is outstanding.
    I’m calling the National Guard.

    To hell with the National Guard… Send in the SEIU… :twisted:


  157. 158 | November 17, 2012 10:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    The media is the 800 pound gorilla.


  158. 159 | November 17, 2012 10:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The media is the 800 pound gorilla.

    On crack…


  159. 160 | November 17, 2012 10:22 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    That wasn’t the radical 60′s plan, that was the Marxist Jacobin plan dating back to 1919 1789.

    FIFY!


  160. song_and_dance_man
    161 | November 17, 2012 10:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I usually get the local “artisan” type with chipolte (sp?)

    There is a supermarket nearby called John Brooks. They are like a huge Trader Joes. They have stuff like that. They regularly stock Mahi Mahi and small shop foods you will not find at Smiths, Albertsons or any of the other big food marts. Pricey? yeah, but worth the shopping.


  161. Bumr50
    162 | November 17, 2012 10:26 pm

    I just had a jar of salsa with roasted garlic and two varieties of olives.

    It was good, but a bit mild for me.


  162. song_and_dance_man
    163 | November 17, 2012 10:26 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    I make a seven chili pepper salsa that uses cilantro that has all the kick you can handle and probably more

    I add cilantro to salsa occasionally. But sparingly


  163. song_and_dance_man
    164 | November 17, 2012 10:29 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    ok, does anyone else put salt on fresh watermelon?

    We did that when we were kids. It gives the same kind of odd yet yummy taste that I described dipping salted fries into ice cream.

    /keep watch…i think brookly is still posting ^^


  164. song_and_dance_man
    165 | November 17, 2012 10:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m calling the National Guard.

    I’ll give you my chile when you pry it from my cold, dead hands

    /


  165. brookly red
    166 | November 17, 2012 10:35 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    I usually get the local “artisan” type with chipolte (sp?)

    There is a supermarket nearby called John Brooks. They are like a huge Trader Joes. They have stuff like that. They regularly stock Mahi Mahi and small shop foods you will not find at Smiths, Albertsons or any of the other big food marts. Pricey? yeah, but worth the shopping.

    you get what you pay for. well except for government, but yeah in general.


  166. song_and_dance_man
    167 | November 17, 2012 10:38 pm

    I’ve been listening to the mighty Zep’s Physical Grafitti in the background. haven’t listened to this recording in a long time. Grooving.


  167. Bumr50
    168 | November 17, 2012 10:40 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    That’s one of my faves at work.

    I make the younguns listen to whole albums -- it’s like a foreign concept for them.


  168. brookly red
    169 | November 17, 2012 10:40 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m calling the National Guard.

    I’ll give you my chile when you pry it from my cold, dead hands

    /

    hmmm Dead Man’s Chile has a nice marketing ring to it… kinda like Tombstone Pizza.


  169. song_and_dance_man
    170 | November 17, 2012 10:54 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    hmmm Dead Man’s Chile has a nice marketing ring to it… kinda like Tombstone Pizza.

    Many, many years ago I was in on the fledgling and ground level of local ad sales of cable tv drumming up local businesses to glob onto this new market. One of my first clients was a local biz called the Italian Kitchen. I started working with this marketer/producer that had an idea for a competing business that wanted to produce a commercial. My boss shut down the idea. It was great. The spot would have a car throw off a dead body in front of the Italian Kitchen with a voice over that said, ‘we’re better than the Italian Kitchen’.


  170. brookly red
    171 | November 17, 2012 10:57 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    hmmm Dead Man’s Chile has a nice marketing ring to it… kinda like Tombstone Pizza.

    Many, many years ago I was in on the fledgling and ground level of local ad sales of cable tv drumming up local businesses to glob onto this new market. One of my first clients was a local biz called the Italian Kitchen. I started working with this marketer/producer that had an idea for a competing business that wanted to produce a commercial. My boss shut down the idea. It was great. The spot would have a car throw off a dead body in front of the Italian Kitchen with a voice over that said, ‘we’re better than the Italian Kitchen’.

    some people have no sense of humor…


  171. Bumr50
    172 | November 17, 2012 10:59 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    “Keep perpetyooatin’ stereotypes and you’ll sleep with the fishes!!”


  172. 173 | November 17, 2012 11:01 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    “Keep perpetyooatin’ stereotypes and you’ll sleep with the fishes!!”

    Heh heh heh,kind of like… Confess that Islam is the religion of peace or we’ll kill you… :shock:


  173. song_and_dance_man
    174 | November 17, 2012 11:10 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I make the younguns listen to whole albums — it’s like a foreign concept for them.

    J has learned to appreciate the old and new. I slyfully introduced him to play guitar and now he is adept at it. And I was careful to slowly introduce him to many musical forms.

    If you are a musician, whether trained or not, the modes are something that are clearly heard. Most don’t know exactly what they hear, but the underlying ‘color’ is sometimes apparent even to the uninitiated. I can recall playing classical music for my son at a very early age, and if the mode was ‘dark’, he heard it and said, Papa, I don’t like this, it’s scary.

    Nowadays he knows many of the classics from Bach to Dubstep.


  174. song_and_dance_man
    175 | November 17, 2012 11:20 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    some people have no sense of humor…

    RightyO. I thought it was genius. But that was in the day when competitors were not allowed, or rather sanctioned against, naming their nemesis. The ad would have worked. I would have lost a client but gained a better client. It was a new outfit called Double Pizza (?). Their angle was two for the price of one. Or something like that.


  175. eaglesoars
    176 | November 17, 2012 11:28 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Their angle was two for the price of one. Or something like that

    And how long do you think they would have stayed in business w/that pricing? Long enough to put Italian Kitchen out of business?


  176. huckfunn
    177 | November 17, 2012 11:31 pm

    Unranked Baylor just beat No. 1 Kansas State 52-24. First time Baylor has ever beaten a top ranked team. Yay Bears!


  177. huckfunn
    178 | November 17, 2012 11:37 pm

    And No. 13 Stanford just beat No. 2 Oregon 17-14. Kinda shakes up the BCS.


  178. huckfunn
    179 | November 17, 2012 11:42 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Hmmmm… Quite possibly wasted on this crowd.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


  179. eaglesoars
    180 | November 17, 2012 11:45 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Quite possibly wasted on this crowd.

    Crowd? There’s a crowd? I thought it was just the two of us……….


  180. EBL
    181 | November 17, 2012 11:47 pm

    That is funny. And I am still laughing at the handle Kris Krispykreme!


  181. song_and_dance_man
    182 | November 17, 2012 11:47 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    And how long do you think they would have stayed in business w/that pricing? Long enough to put Italian Kitchen out of business?

    Dont’ know. When I left Victorville Double Deal Pizza (I remembered the name) and the Italian Kitchen were still in business.


  182. 183 | November 18, 2012 12:00 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    And No. 13 Stanford just beat No. 2 Oregon 17-14. Kinda shakes up the BCS.

    That’s huge.


  183. eaglesoars
    184 | November 18, 2012 12:03 am

    Well, all this talk about food and I went exploring. Found via Russia Today their food/recipe site (some of them look quite good)

    Wanna know how to make vodka?


  184. 185 | November 18, 2012 12:13 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m not going to try!

    :lol:


  185. eaglesoars
    186 | November 18, 2012 12:18 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m not going to try!

    Well, apparently, some of my hillbilly ancestors were serious moonshine people -- and I can feel the temptation. Unfortunately, I’m not living in the foothills of Appalachia where one has a dignified privacy from the law -


  186. 187 | November 18, 2012 12:24 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Some of my Galician-Spanish ancestors grew wine. But It wasn’t me so I’m not even going to try!


  187. 188 | November 18, 2012 12:30 am

    Good night all and see you on the flip side.


  188. eaglesoars
    189 | November 18, 2012 12:36 am

    @ Rodan:

    me too

    ‘cept now I’m hungry


  189. Moe Katz
    190 | November 18, 2012 12:38 am

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I can recall playing classical music for my son at a very early age, and if the mode was ‘dark’, he heard it and said, Papa, I don’t like this, it’s scary.

    I remember at maybe five years of age playing a 45 rpm single of “April in Portugal” and being frightened by the minor bridge section each time I played it.


  190. darkwords
    191 | November 18, 2012 12:46 am

    @ huckfunn:
    It might be an Irish year.


  191. 4_Sticks
    192 | November 18, 2012 1:30 am


  192. 4_Sticks
  193. 194 | November 18, 2012 3:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    That wasn’t the radical 60′s plan, that was the Marxist Jacobin plan dating back to 1919 1789.

    FIFY!

    Ah, ze French Revolution…where Communism was in vogue before it was even known as Communism!


  194. Guggi
    195 | November 18, 2012 3:46 am

    Petraeus scandal puts four-star general lifestyle under scrutiny

    Then-defense secretary Robert M. Gates stopped bagging his leaves when he moved into a small Washington military enclave in 2007. His next-door neighbor was Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time, who had a chef, a personal valet and — not lost on Gates — troops to tend his property.

    Gates may have been the civilian leader of the world’s largest military, but his position did not come with household staff. So, he often joked, he disposed of his leaves by blowing them onto the chairman’s lawn.

    “I was often jealous because he had four enlisted people helping him all the time,” Gates said in response to a question after a speech Thursday. He wryly complained to his wife that “Mullen’s got guys over there who are fixing meals for him, and I’m shoving something into the microwave. And I’m his boss.”

    Of the many facts that have come to light in the scandal involving former CIA director David H. Petraeus, among the most curious was that during his days as a four-star general, he was once escorted by 28 police motorcycles as he traveled from his Central Command headquarters in Tampa to socialite Jill Kelley’s mansion. Although most of his trips did not involve a presidential-size convoy, the scandal has prompted new scrutiny of the imperial trappings that come with a senior general’s lifestyle.

    The commanders who lead the nation’s military services and those who oversee troops around the world enjoy an array of perquisites befitting a billionaire, including executive jets, palatial homes, drivers, security guards and aides to carry their bags, press their uniforms and track their schedules in 10-minute increments. Their food is prepared by gourmet chefs.

    (…)

    This is outrageous.


  195. Guggi
    196 | November 18, 2012 3:48 am

    @ Guggi:

    The fish rots from the head down.


  196. 197 | November 18, 2012 3:56 am

    Culinary notes:

    My parents were from MA, and they salted watermelon. Us kids grew out of it.

    The tomatillo-based salsa I make (powered by Serrano peppers) has cilantro in it. Wouldn’t be much without it.

    A real salsa Mexicana (pico de gaillo in Gringo-speak) has to have cilantro in it, or at least Mexicans think it does.

    Either of the salsas mentioned above, properly made, should be parked on a freshly-made topo (corn chip.) None of those crap thing you get in a bag at the grocery store, unless you have a store that sells fresh made (that day) ones -- none of that in this area.

    A proper, fresh topo is simplicity itself to make. Cut up corn tortillas (regular works better than white corn) and fry in hot corn oil -- about the only thing I even use corn oil for any more. It’s a messy and smelly process, best conducted outside if you can. If you have a gas grill with a side burner, that’s perfect. Do it indoors and the whole house smells like corn oil for a week.


  197. Guggi
    198 | November 18, 2012 4:23 am

    Although American generals have long enjoyed many perks — in World War II and in Vietnam, some dined on china set atop linen tablecloths — the amenities afforded to today’s military leaders are more lavish than anyone else in government enjoys, save for the president.

    It wasn’t just Jill Kelley, the Tampa woman who cultivated close relationships with him and other generals, including Gen. John R. Allen, the top commander in Afghanistan, by throwing lavish parties at her million-dollar house. Hostesses around the nation delighted at the presence of commanders in full-dress uniforms at social events.

    Some retired generals have defended the benefits accorded to their active-duty brethren, noting that many of them work 18-hour days, six to seven days a week. They manage budgets that dwarf those of large multinational companies and are responsible for the lives of thousands of young men and women under their command.

    …and most of them do a poor job as well with the budgets as with the protections of lives of thousends ot young women and men (mismanagment, corruption, false investments, ROE -- to name only a few)

    But the frantic search for cuts to reduce the growth of government debt could soon put some of the four-star benefits at risk. When he was at the Pentagon, Gates wanted to trim some of the perks but ran into resistance. It was, he said, the “third rail” of the Defense Department.

    Apparently more interested in good life than in winning wars.

    The current top U.S. commander in Europe, Adm. James Stavridis, also came under the scrutiny of the inspector general for using a military jet to fly to the Burgundy region of France for a dinner organized by an international society of wine enthusiasts. Stavridis defended the trip as an opportunity to meet with French military and business leaders.

    Yep, it’s absolute necessary to meet with business leaders for a top general./////

    The defense that they work 16 to 18 hours/day on 6/7 days/week is a bad joke. This must include all the partying, the dinners they have with slick characters like Jill Kelley and IF a commander of the ISAF and US-troops in Afghanistan can write thousands of thousands emails to Mrs. Kelley alone and a supportive letter in behalf of the twin-sister to the judge, then they have to much time at their hands.


  198. Guggi
    199 | November 18, 2012 4:58 am

    Some of you may know a typical Austrian dish: Wiener Schnitzel (traditionally served with Petersilerdäpfel and salad)

    to please the Germans they now serve it with lingonberries and french fries. Disgusting. (Germans in Germany often serve this dish with brown gravy. This is ultimate gross)


  199. 200 | November 18, 2012 5:07 am

    I ate that traditional Schnitzel in Salzberg -- that is some serious good eating there. And those little herbed potatos are to die for.


  200. 201 | November 18, 2012 5:15 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Addendum -- But I had some serious good eats in Germany as well. I always tell people that, of my limited travels in the EU, Germany/Austria are THE places when it comes to eating. You can eat a great meal in a train station, much less a fancy restaraunt. And they assume you are seriously hungry as is reflected in the portions. All to be washed down with the best beer in the known universe (Eff off, Belgium.)

    Full Disclosure -- I have never been to Italy, so I can’t judge them.


  201. Guggi
    202 | November 18, 2012 5:22 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Salzberg

    Obersalzberg ? The place of Hitler’s residence ?


  202. 203 | November 18, 2012 5:34 am

    @ Guggi:

    Mozart’s hangout. Not far from the Eagle’s Nest. Very pretty.


  203. Guggi
    204 | November 18, 2012 5:39 am

    The mentality of the military brass is the same as of the people who voted for “free stuff” only on a much higher level. So it doesn’t make you wonder why they are more and more leaning to the left.


  204. Guggi
    205 | November 18, 2012 5:40 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Mozart’s hangout. Not far from the Eagle’s Nest. Very pretty.

    Oh, where I live in Salzburg :-)


  205. 206 | November 18, 2012 5:45 am

    Ah well, I didn’t check the spelling, and it was a long time ago. Nice place to visit, but I don’t see how anybody could afford to live there.


  206. Guggi
    207 | November 18, 2012 5:49 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Ah well, I didn’t check the spelling, and it was a long time ago. Nice place to visit, but I don’t see how anybody could afford to live there.

    Salzburg is the most expensive regional capital in Austria. But go to Kitzbühel or Lech and Zürs/Arlberg and other famous wintersport villages and you’ll find Salzburg a cheap place.


  207. 208 | November 18, 2012 5:55 am

    Every nice place I’ve been to in Europe was outrageously expensive by American standards. Somebody has to pay for the EU verion of the Free Shit Army, I guess. Unfortunately coming to a country near me right the hell now. And there’s no place left to run…


  208. Buckeye Abroad
    209 | November 18, 2012 5:59 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Mozart’s hangout. Not far from the Eagle’s Nest. Very pretty.

    Oh, where I live in Salzburg

    Gutentag! Schönen Gegend. Ich habe für 10 Jahre einen kleinen Skiurlaub da gemacht. Die Preisen sind besser in Österreich dann den Schweiz.


  209. Buckeye Abroad
    210 | November 18, 2012 6:01 am

    @ Mike C.:

    All to be washed down with the best beer in the known universe (Eff off, Belgium.)

    Sorry Mike. That would Czech beer. Their selection is even expanding in Germany due to increased consumption by Germans.


  210. Guggi
    211 | November 18, 2012 6:09 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Somebody has to pay for the EU verion of the Free Shit Army, I guess. Unfortunately coming to a country near me right the hell now. And there’s no place left to run…

    That’s correct and my fear. No place left to run beside some places you won’t live.

    One of the common currency outcomes in the EU was that the prices in countries like Greece, Spain, Portugal or Italy rose dramatically (so they beefed up the sallaries) while the prices in other countries like Germany/Austria/France also rose but especially in Germany and Austria they didn’t rose the sallaries. Not only employees but retirees also lost about one third of their income. And now they have to pay for Greece, Portugal etc. while the EU slides into a recession again.

    The implemantation of the Euro was a crime. First the economies of the different memebers of the EU has to be adapted (like they did in Germany with the “Zollverein” from 1834 to 1871) then you can implement a common currency. Not the other way round. It doesn’t work.


  211. Guggi
    212 | November 18, 2012 6:14 am

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Gutentag! Schönen Gegend. Ich habe für 10 Jahre einen kleinen Skiurlaub da gemacht. Die Preisen sind besser in Österreich dann den Schweiz.

    That’s correct. Switzerland is extremly expensive not only for vacation but also the daily life. That’s why people from Switzerland run their errands in Austria or Germany if they live near the borders.

    Austria has better beer than Germany :-P more alcohol and also the “Reinheitsgebot”.


  212. Buckeye Abroad
    213 | November 18, 2012 6:18 am

    @ Guggi:

    Austria has better beer than Germany more alcohol and also the “Reinheitsgebot”.

    Been awhile. I like the drier Pils, Jever, Pilsner Urquelle, etc..

    What would you recommend from Austria?


  213. Guggi
    214 | November 18, 2012 6:26 am

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    What would you recommend from Austria?

    There are still a lot of traditional small breweries here with very good beer.

    Germans love this place in my city

    or this one

    or this one


  214. 215 | November 18, 2012 6:51 am

    Well, you guys obviously know a lot more about this than I do. My time in the Germanic area was limited to about 3 weeks in Hanover and a bit over a week in the Munich/Salzburg area. I don’t usually get to hang out in nice places.


  215. Guggi
    216 | November 18, 2012 6:58 am

    As Boom Lures App Creators, Tough Part Is Making a Living

    Much as the Web set off the dot-com boom 15 years ago, apps have inspired a new class of entrepreneurs. These innovators have turned cellphones and tablets into tools for discovering, organizing and controlling the world, spawning a multibillion-dollar industry virtually overnight. The iPhone and iPad have about 700,000 apps.

    In the latest article of the iEconomy series, David Streitfeld discusses the question of how real, and lasting, the rise in app employment might be, particularly with an economy yielding few good job opportunities.

    Despite the rumors of hordes of hip programmers starting million-dollar businesses from their kitchen tables, only a small number of developers actually make a living by creating apps, according to surveys and experts. And programming is not a skill that just anyone can learn. While people already employed in tech jobs have added app writing to their résumés, the profession offers few options to most unemployed, underemployed and discouraged workers.


  216. Buckeye Abroad
    217 | November 18, 2012 7:00 am

    Thanks Gugi. Next time I am through I will look for them.

    Hanover-- oy, sorry. Münich is nice. My wife lived there a few years and said it really is a quiet place despite the tourists. Good luck finding a place to buy there-- property prices are high.

    Mike, where are you now?

    Gotta go. A couple of errands to run. Have a good Sunday!


  217. Guggi
    218 | November 18, 2012 7:04 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    and a bit over a week in the Munich/Salzburg area.

    So, you have chosen the most expensive cities of each country. :-)


  218. Guggi
    219 | November 18, 2012 7:07 am

    @ Guggi:

    city


  219. 220 | November 18, 2012 7:11 am

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    I’m back at the house, having arrived home very early yesterday morning. Not spending Thanksgiving in Bolivia, you know. I want a full-blown turkey dinner, and I will cook that 14 pounder Wednesday.

    I thought Hanover was pretty cool. Pity it got bombed flat during the war, but the few bits that are still standing are nice. The remainder is architecturally unfortunate, like a lot of London. Anyway, the food was good, and I got along fine with the folks in the old Prakla-Seismos office there. I was there for work, but roamed around a bit when not at the office. Decent temperate zone climate, too (Have I mentioned I hate the very sight of palm trees? God’s way of telling you it’s too damned hot.)


  220. 221 | November 18, 2012 7:18 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    and a bit over a week in the Munich/Salzburg area.
    So, you have chosen the most expensive cities of each country.

    That was a vacation, and we wanted to see the sights.

    We require 3 things for a vacation these days. Old shit to look at, different food places to eat in, and some shopping for the wife. The last one was to Montreal for a few days. In March, yet. I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t mind tromping around in cold weather. You miss all the crowds then. We froze our asses off on the Great Wall and in The Forbidden City, but it was still really neat, and a lot less crowded than in the warm months.


  221. Guggi
    222 | November 18, 2012 8:07 am

    Mark Rosenthal remembers the first time he saw Jill Kelley and her identical twin in action. It was at a dinner party at then-Gen. David Petraeus’ house, and he was appalled.

    “They took over the whole conversation,” he said. While the man responsible for overseeing two wars nodded politely, Kelley and her sister, Natalie Khawam, talked nonstop about shopping and traveling. “To me it was out of line.”

    (…)

    Rosenthal told the Tampa Bay Times that he saw Kelley, 37, at numerous events and she was invariably “loud, ostentatious and revealing.” She flirted. She hugged and kissed high-ranking military officials. She wore short dresses. And she bombarded generals with chatty emails.

    Her personal emails to Marine Gen. John R. Allen, commander of military forces in Afghanistan, which investigators say number in the thousands of pages, have put Allen’s nomination to NATO commander on hold.

    Rosenthal never saw the emails but said that Gen. Allen’s wife had complained about them to Rosenthal’s wife. Rosenthal agreed they were out of line and told Kelley so.

    “I called her probably three times and told her not to send any more emails,” Rosenthal said. The last time was several months ago, he said. He never heard back.

    (…)

    In November 2010, Kelley passed a background check and was given a MacDill ID allowing her onto the base without a military escort in daylight hours whenever she desired.

    (…)

    In late August, the Republican National Convention in Tampa served as the backdrop to a bizarre business meeting that showed how Kelley used her military connections to open doors off the base as well as on.

    Adam Victor, president of TransGas Development in New York, was in town to network and find business opportunities. Someone introduced him to Kelley, and the two spoke in a VIP section of the convention hall.

    Victor said Kelley described herself as a close friend to Petraeus, which impressed him. In fact, he said, Kelley told him she might help him with a coal gasification project in South Korea. She said she could gain him access to the highest levels of the South Korean government, Victor said.

    (…)

    Kelley and Victor later met in New York. Kelley mentioned her fee if any deal was brokered — $80 million. The fee was so unrealistic and excessive, Victor said, he immediately realized he was dealing with an amateur. He rejected it out of hand. He said Kelley then asked for a counter proposal. But Victor wasn’t biting.

    “It’s stupidity,” said Victor, who nonetheless said he liked Kelley. “It’s inexperience. I got annoyed because it was clear that I had wasted my time and money.”

    (…)


  222. eaglesoars
    223 | November 18, 2012 8:23 am

    Guggi wrote:

    The commanders who lead the nation’s military services and those who oversee troops around the world enjoy an array of perquisites befitting a billionaire, including executive jets, palatial homes, drivers, security guards and aides to carry their bags, press their uniforms and track their schedules in 10-minute increments. Their food is prepared by gourmet chefs

    Well, it may be outrageous but it’s been that way for at least 50 yrs. My aunt/uncle had servants in Germany, Philiapines, France, Florida etc. After years of this, she had forgotten how to do laundry -- but damn, she could make a mean martini!

    So, this may be news to a lot of people, but it’s not new.


  223. Storagemanager
    224 | November 18, 2012 8:24 am

    Israel will sooner or later pay the price for the children killed in the Gaza Strip, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Saturday in the Egyptian capital of Cairo, vowing support for Palestinians.

    In a speech at Cairo University, the Turkish prime minister described Egypt’s uprising that ousted longtime autocratic leader Hosni Mubarak from power last year as a point of hope for Palestinians.

    Erdoğan, accompanied by a delegation of 12 ministers and 350 businessmen, visited Cairo on Saturday to intensify dialogue with the Middle Eastern country and hold talks with Egyptian officials on how to contain the ongoing fighting between Israel and Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The visit is considered the largest in the history of diplomatic relations between the two countries.

    Erdoğan and the delegation accompanying him attended the second meeting of the Turkey-Egypt High-Level Strategic Cooperation Council. The Turkish prime minister later met Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi for the first time since Egyptian Islamist leader was elected late June.

    A presidential source told Reuters that Mursi was due to hold four-way talks with Erdoğan , the Qatari emir and Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal in Cairo on Saturday to discuss the Gaza crisis
    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-298471-.html


  224. eaglesoars
    225 | November 18, 2012 8:31 am

    uh oh. Fox is saying something about Twinkies being taken over by Mexico.

    *sigh*


  225. Storagemanager
    226 | November 18, 2012 8:35 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    uh oh. Fox is saying something about Twinkies being taken over by Mexico.
    *sigh*

    tequila filled twinkies


  226. eaglesoars
    227 | November 18, 2012 8:38 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    uh oh. Fox is saying something about Twinkies being taken over by Mexico.
    *sigh*

    tequila filled twinkies

    That’s right up there with sweet-n-lo covered grits


  227. Guggi
    228 | November 18, 2012 8:39 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Well, it may be outrageous but it’s been that way for at least 50 yrs. My aunt/uncle had servants in Germany, Philiapines, France, Florida etc. After years of this, she had forgotten how to do laundry — but damn, she could make a mean martini!
    So, this may be news to a lot of people, but it’s not new.

    I don’t blame the current government and I’m very well aware that this had been around for decades. But times have changed. Generals should be paid properly but those benefits have to stop. Most of them have never fought in combat, have never put their lives at risk and their education was mostly paid by the tax payers while civilians have to pay for their eduction half their adult life. Additional they have put the life of their troops at risk (ROE) while following a stupid “counterterrorism” concept mainly brought up by a lefty “think tank” (there isn’t much “think” on that “tank”)

    The military has to reform and touch down to the 21st century.


  228. Storagemanager
    229 | November 18, 2012 8:42 am

    Cairo, Asharq Al-Awsat – Egyptian jihadist Mohamed al-Zawahiri announced his support for the call issued by his brother , Al Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahiri, for Muslims to work to establish an Islamic Caliphate, rejecting nation states. Mohamed al-Zawahiri, who currently resides in Cairo and is a well-known Egyptian Islamist, told Asharq Al-Awsat that “we want to guide Egypt to the Islamic association because this is stronger than the national association.” However he stressed that the Al Qaeda leader’s message does not mean the end of his offer to mediate a peace between Al Qaeda and the West.

    In a statement by Ayman al-Zawahiri entitled “Supporting Islam” posted by Al Qaeda’s publishing arm on an Islamist website, the Al Qaeda chief called on Muslims to work to re-establish an Islamic Caliphate that “does not recognize nation state, national links or the border imposed by the occupiers, but establishes a rightly guided caliphate following in the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad.”

    The statement added “these are the objectives of the Document of Supporting Islam, and we call on all those who believe in them to call for them, support them and try to spread them in every way possible among the people of the nation.”

    The Al Qaeda chief also called on Muslims to work together to liberate Muslim lands from occupiers, rejecting any deal that gives “infidels” the right to control Muslim lands.

    He added that this included what he referred to as the British Mandate Palestine – present day Israel and the Palestinian territories – as well as Russia’s Chechnya and other parts of the Caucasus region, Indian-controlled Kashmir, the Spanish-ruled North African enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla which are claimed by Morocco and East Turkestan in China’s north-western Xinjiang region.
    http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=31824


  229. Storagemanager
    230 | November 18, 2012 8:43 am

    Stop it Charles

    Big lizards scare Secret Service ahead of Obama’s Thailand visit… http://www.drudgereport.com/


  230. Guggi
    231 | November 18, 2012 8:47 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    So, this may be news to a lot of people, but it’s not new.

    Addendum: the number ot generals has improved to now near 1,000. I doubt the military had ever so many generals with all the entitelements.

    To use enlisted women/men to serve a general at his home is 19th century life style not 2012.


  231. eaglesoars
    232 | November 18, 2012 8:48 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Generals should be paid properly but those benefits have to stop.

    I doubt that they will. Maybe the most egregious will go underground until peoples’ attention goes elsewhere


  232. eaglesoars
    233 | November 18, 2012 8:51 am

    Guggi wrote:

    To use enlisted women/men to serve a general at his home is 19th century life style not 2012.

    Generally, that’s most of the wait staff for their parties.


  233. Guggi
    234 | November 18, 2012 8:55 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Generally, that’s most of the wait staff for their parties.

    From my WaPo link above:

    “I was often jealous because he had four enlisted people helping him all the time,” Gates said in response to a question after a speech Thursday. He wryly complained to his wife that “Mullen’s got guys over there who are fixing meals for him, and I’m shoving something into the microwave. And I’m his boss.”


  234. Guggi
    235 | November 18, 2012 9:05 am

    Btw.: the same goes for the O.’s, Pelosis and all the other thugs on tax payers money.


  235. 236 | November 18, 2012 9:13 am

    @ Guggi:

    There is tremendous waste in the Federal budget. Ho wmuch, nobody knows. The government has successfully resisted all attempts to quantify it. I count these people as part of the parasite class as well. They are just higher paid parasites than the typical welfare suck. I am not just speaking of generals or even primarily about generals (if you want to see an exrtravagant General, read the history of J.E.B. Stewart), but about Federal employees more generally.


  236. Bumr50
    237 | November 18, 2012 9:32 am

    How noble of the striking bakers.

    Throughout this long and difficult process, BCTGM members showed tremendous courage, solidarity and devotion to principle. They were well aware of the potential consequences of their actions but stood strong for dignity, justice and respect.

    Talking points straight from Dickie’s mouth to your ears.


  237. 238 | November 18, 2012 9:43 am

    @ Bumr50:

    I hope the Union workers never find a job again. They’ve destroyed all those people’s livelyhoods. I hope they reap what they’ve sown.


  238. Guggi
    239 | November 18, 2012 9:44 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    There is tremendous waste in the Federal budget. Ho wmuch, nobody knows. The government has successfully resisted all attempts to quantify it. I count these people as part of the parasite class as well. They are just higher paid parasites than the typical welfare suck. I am not just speaking of generals or even primarily about generals (if you want to see an exrtravagant General, read the history of J.E.B. Stewart), but about Federal employees more generally.

    That’s my argument.


  239. mawskrat
    240 | November 18, 2012 10:24 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    I hope the Union workers never find a job again. They’ve destroyed all those people’s livelyhoods. I hope they reap what they’ve sown.

    the wonder bread plant in Cincinnati was going to close
    strike or no stike


  240. Bumr50
    241 | November 18, 2012 10:30 am

    @ mawskrat:

    The decision means the closure of 33 bakeries, 565 distribution centers, approximately 5,500 delivery routes and 570 bakery outlet stores throughout the United States.

    OK.

    ONE bakery.

    I’m sorry, but I’ve come to loathe organized labor. Absolutely loathe it.

    People here in Pittsburgh, some who aren’t even IN a union, will go to the mat defending them and their tactics, and I’ve had it.


  241. 242 | November 18, 2012 10:38 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Well, it may be outrageous but it’s been that way for at least 50 yrs.

    A lot longer than 50 years. It’s one of America’s few aristocracy holdovers from before we became a republic. Something we basically learned from a German aristocrat/General that trained George Washington’s troops during the Revolutionary War.


  242. mawskrat
    243 | November 18, 2012 10:50 am

    @ Bumr50:

    yep…I read some of the union rules, they were really
    over the top


  243. mawskrat
    244 | November 18, 2012 10:55 am

    @ Bumr50:

    I put some of the blame on management who keep signing these labor
    contracts year after year knowing it can’t afford them


  244. Bumr50
    245 | November 18, 2012 11:01 am

    @ mawskrat:

    Oh, it definitely falls on both sides in the long run. But you know as well as I that in semi-post-industrial, rust belt cities like yours and mine it’s all the more difficult to take a hard line against the union. It’s bad PR.

    In the end, it’s up to the workers to either accept that they’ve overreached and concede ground or bring the whole thing to a crashing halt, IMHO.


  245. Bumr50
    246 | November 18, 2012 11:05 am

    @ mawskrat:

    Also state and federal labor oversight boards that are stocked with ex-union chiefs, ex-union lawyers, and ex-union workers, along with progressive judges, give massively disproportionate leverage to organized labor.

    Businesses KNOW that they’re going to lose if it gets that far, and so they bite the bullet and take the moronically huge labor hit in order to keep generating positive numbers for the company and their shareholders.


  246. Bumr50
    247 | November 18, 2012 11:07 am

    I don’t begrudge anyone from collectively bargaining, with the exception of the public sector.

    I begrudge states that pretty much force the employer to hire union in the first place. I live in one.


  247. Bumr50
    248 | November 18, 2012 11:08 am

    AND I miss professional hockey.

    (Jaded this morning)


  248. mawskrat
    249 | November 18, 2012 11:09 am

    @ Bumr50:

    I agree 100%


  249. mawskrat
    250 | November 18, 2012 11:13 am

    the only hope the Hostess workers have is to de-certify
    the union and hope for the best


  250. 251 | November 18, 2012 11:35 am

    I hate unions with a passion. If I owned a company or were about to start one, it would be in a right to work state. If any damn union got in, I’d do my best to move the company and if that were thwarted, I’d let the damn thing die. Go Galt!


  251. 252 | November 18, 2012 11:37 am

    My geezer democrat uncle is visiting. The old fool thinks education and health care should be free. But not accounting or tax return prep. Guess what his business was. Fool doesn’t have any problem TAKING the fruits of your labor, but leave his alone. THAT is what is wrong with this damn world.


  252. 253 | November 18, 2012 11:43 am

    @ Kirly:

    That is the thinking of the parasite class as a whole. They don’t want to contribute, but they want to take as much as they can. They arn’t even really good Communists. Communism first takes from you according to your measure, then “gives” to you according to your needs. You don’t need that much. The people in public housing are having far more than their basic needs met.


  253. The Osprey
    254 | November 18, 2012 11:46 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    uh oh. Fox is saying something about Twinkies being taken over by Mexico.

    *sigh*

    Like I said on the Hostess thread… Get ready for Bimbo Ho-Hos :lol:


  254. Bumr50
    255 | November 18, 2012 11:51 am

    @ Kirly:

    My grandfather, God bless him, is the exact same way.

    What bothers me is the fact that he’s been alive for 86 years and has held the same “us vs. them, labor vs. management” mentality for his entire life.

    I believe that the massive post-WWII industrial boom is almost completely responsible. Companies had more money than they knew what to do with, golden pensions were the norm, and rather than confront the problem companies simply capitulated.

    He’s stuck there.

    In that regard, management WAS indeed to blame for not having the forethought to conceive that this MAY be a problem in the relatively near future.

    It’s true ignorance of how business works, in his case, and the locals all get together and reinforce their sheltered little view of “how things work” in social halls everywhere.


  255. 256 | November 18, 2012 12:04 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    Yep. What annoys me so much is that we can see examples of the failures of that idiocy around the world but they cling to it and insist that it just hadn’t been done right yet. Idiocy!


  256. RIX
    257 | November 18, 2012 12:10 pm

    Good morning. Watching the Sunday morning shows the Dem
    strategy is clear, the dastardly Republicans are just smearing
    the sainted Susan Rice.
    “let;s just move on, there is nothing to investigate.”


  257. huckfunn
    258 | November 18, 2012 12:13 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    uh oh. Fox is saying something about Twinkies being taken over by Mexico.

    *sigh*

    Like I said on the Hostess thread… Get ready for Bimbo Ho-Hos

    It’s not uncommon to see large trucks on the Texas highways with “BIMBO” emblazoned on the sides. Mrs. Baird’s Bread was a Texas bakery that had been around since the 20′s or 30′s. Bimbo bought them out about 10 years ago.


  258. 259 | November 18, 2012 12:48 pm

    New Thread.


  259. 260 | November 18, 2012 12:49 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    uh oh. Fox is saying something about Twinkies being taken over by Mexico.
    *sigh*

    Better than China!


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