First time visitor? Learn more.

Tom Mix; King of the Cowboys

by huckfunn ( 222 Comments › )
Filed under Golden Age of Hollywod, History, Open thread at November 18th, 2012 - 3:00 pm

 

Tom Mix (January 6, 1880 – October 12, 1940) was one of the most prolific screen actors in history having starred or appeared in 291 films (all but 9 of which were silent films) between 1910 and 1935. He helped define the cowboy/western movie genre and was known as “King of the Cowboys” before anyone had heard of Roy Rogers.  I’ve watched perhaps one or two Tom Mix films when they were shown on TCM’s Sunday evening silent film fest. By today’s standards, those old films are nothing less than corny but in the 19teens and 20’s, the theaters were filled with star struck kids who idolized The King of the Cowboys. One of the original superstars of Hollywood, Tom’s lifetime earnings were over $6 million which would be about $700 million in today’s dollars. He embellished his personal history to match his on screen persona. His self-written bio claimed that he had fought (with Teddy Roosevelt’s Rough Riders) in the Spanish American War, the Boer War and the Boxer Rebellion. The only truth in any of those stories was that he enlisted in the Army at the outbreak of the Spanish American War, but never saw combat and deserted to marry his first wife.

Trivia

Daughter with Olive MixRuth Mix.

Served as a pallbearer at the funeral of legendary western lawman Wyatt Earp in 1929.

Appears on sleeve of The Beatles‘ “Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” album.

Made over $6,000,000 during his career but an extravagant lifestyle had sharply reduced his estate to a modest amount by the time he died.

Rumors that that Mix’s radio career never got off the ground after he left films because his voice was high-pitched are not true. His voice, in fact, was deep and husky in tone. Radio was such a low-paying profession that it could not support his high-on-the-hog style of living. He loved sports cars, wild parties and fancy clothes. He owned a huge Hollywood mansion that had his name emblazoned above it in neon lights and had numerous ex-wives to support. Mix instead left films for his true passion, the circus. He became one of its greatest showmen.

Tom’s parents were Edwin and Elizabeth Mix. They named him Thomas Hezikiah Mix. When he enlisted in the Army in 1898, he listed his name as Thomas E. Mix (for Edwin).

Charter member of the Hall of Great Western Performers of the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum in 1958.

He deserted the army to marry his first wife, Grace Allin; the fact that he was a deserter did not come up until after his death, by which time he was so famous that the army had to hold its tongue and give him a full military burial. This dovetails neatly into the known facts and into the legend of Tom Mix.

Daughter with Victoria Forde, Thomasina

4/13/02: His guns were stolen from the Tom Mix Museum in Dewey, OK.

Never had kind words for John Wayne because, many believe, he was afraid that Wayne would push him out of the limelight. That hatred grew as Wayne’s star rose and, due to the fact that Mix wouldn’t take a pay cut to do radio, his own star began to fall. Asked by a journalist what he thought of Wayne, Mix only replied, “The only Christian words that I could use are ‘no-talent upstart’”. Wayne, for his part, had disliked Mix since Wayne’s college days at USC, when Mix told several members of the football team (Wayne among them) to stop by Fox Studios and he would get them jobs in the movies. Wayne and several others did so a few weeks later, only to be informed that Mix had never told anyone at the studio about his promises of employment, and they were thrown off the lot. Wayne never forgave Mix.

The entire bio can be found here. 

If Tom was still making movies today, you can bet that he would be fighting islamic terrorists.

 The end of the trail for Tom Mix came on October 12, 1940 as he was driving from Tucson, AZ in his 1937 yellow supercharged Cord 812 Phaeton. He failed to heed highway signs warning of a washed out bridge ahead. Traveling at about 80 MPH, Tom lost control of the huge automobile as he came upon some road barriers. The car went into a dry creek, overturned and Tom was struck in the back of the head with an aluminum suitcase carrying cash and jewels. His skull was fractured and his neck broken, he died instantly.

Tom’s car has been totally restored and you can see it here. 

Comments

Comments and respectful debate are both welcome and encouraged.

Comments are the sole opinion of the comment writer, just as each thread posted is the sole opinion or post idea of the administrator that posted it or of the readers that have written guest posts for the Blogmocracy.

Obscene, abusive, or annoying remarks may be deleted or moved to spam for admin review, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their content by any other commenter or the admins of this Blogmocracy.

We're not easily offended and don't want people to think they have to walk on eggshells around here (like at another place that shall remain nameless) but of course, there is a limit to everything.

Play nice!

222 Responses to “Tom Mix; King of the Cowboys”
( jump to bottom )

  1. Aussie Infidel
    1 | November 18, 2012 3:08 pm

    One of my childhood heros. … and first! :)


  2. Aussie Infidel
    2 | November 18, 2012 3:09 pm

    … well Tom as well as Hopalong Cassidy as well. At least Hoppy didn’t try to sing! LOL :)


  3. Aussie Infidel
    3 | November 18, 2012 3:12 pm

    …… and who can forget the ‘Thunder Riders.

    We used to pay good money every Saturday afternoon to watch quarter century old serials at the Picture Show. (that’s movies for you lot) :)

    Ahh they don’t make ‘em like that anymore!


  4. Aussie Infidel
    4 | November 18, 2012 3:14 pm


  5. huckfunn
    5 | November 18, 2012 3:15 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    There are so many of the current generation that don’t even know that Tom Mix even existed. Yet in his day he was Hollywood’s biggest star.

    I was a big Cisco Kid fan.


  6. RIX
    6 | November 18, 2012 3:15 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    The name of Hoppy’s horse?
    Topper!


  7. Aussie Infidel
    7 | November 18, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Hey Cisco …. Heeeey Ponchooooo! :)


  8. Aussie Infidel
    8 | November 18, 2012 3:21 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    The name of Hoppy’s horse?
    Topper!

    I think you’re right.

    I always got confused between Topper and Trigger Roy Rodger’s horse!

    :)


  9. huckfunn
    9 | November 18, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ RIX:
    @ Aussie Infidel:
    Tom Mix’s trusty mount was Tony the Wonder Horse.


  10. Aussie Infidel
    10 | November 18, 2012 3:23 pm

    11 pence to get into saturday matinee. 1 penny to buy some ‘lollies’. That was my shilling allowance for doing the dishes and sweeping up for a week! :)

    After the ‘flicks’ we’d all go play on the 6 story construction site. How we didn’t all die is beyond me! LOL


  11. Aussie Infidel
    11 | November 18, 2012 3:24 pm

    This man knows his cowboys! :) …. and horses @ huckfunn:


  12. buzzsawmonkey
    12 | November 18, 2012 3:24 pm

    Gary Cooper, who became a movie cowboy, started out wanting to be an editorial cartoonist.


  13. huckfunn
    13 | November 18, 2012 3:26 pm

    Here’s Tom Mix in The Heart of Texas Ryan from 1917.


  14. RIX
    14 | November 18, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    Our troops may be respected by the sheeple right now but that is just a single media blitz away from instant vilification.

    It does get confusing.


  15. huckfunn
    15 | November 18, 2012 3:30 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Quite a few of the Hollywood cowboys started out as movie set wranglers. John Wayne, Ben Johnson and Errol Flynn come to mind.


  16. RIX
    16 | November 18, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Dale Evans horse was Buttercup.
    Pat Buttrems jeep was Nelly Bell.
    I know too much useless trivia.


  17. huckfunn
    17 | November 18, 2012 3:32 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Dale Evans horse was Buttercup.
    Pat Buttrems jeep was Nelly Bell.
    I know too much useless trivia.

    Festus Hagen’s mule was Ruth. :grin:


  18. Aussie Infidel
    18 | November 18, 2012 3:34 pm

    @ RIX:
    You’re on my team next trivia night! We’ll win $squillions


  19. Aussie Infidel
    19 | November 18, 2012 3:37 pm

    As much as I’d love to stay and chat. It’s Monday morning here and I have to do stuff so that folks will keep paying me dollars and i keep eating and good things like that!

    See ya.

    :)


  20. RIX
    20 | November 18, 2012 3:42 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    @ RIX:

    You’re on my team next trivia night! We’ll win $squillions

    I have always wanted to be a $squillionaire.
    GenenAutrys horse? Champion.
    Tontos Horse? Scout.
    And the bonus question, Tonto was related to
    Elizabeth Warren./


  21. RIX
    21 | November 18, 2012 3:44 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Festus Hagen’s mule was Ruth.

    We have a winner!


  22. huckfunn
    22 | November 18, 2012 3:45 pm

    RIX wrote:

    And the bonus question, Tonto was related to
    Elizabeth Warren./

    For $1000, name Elizabeth Warren’s horse. tick…tock…tick…tock…


  23. RIX
    23 | November 18, 2012 3:49 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    And the bonus question, Tonto was related to
    Elizabeth Warren./

    For $1000, name Elizabeth Warren’s horse. tick…tock…tick…tock…

    Barack?


  24. Mars
    24 | November 18, 2012 3:51 pm

    I’ve seen a few Tom Mix films. A little dated, but still fun.

    I have to admit I like the Blake Edwards film Sunset. Bruce Willis as Tom Mix and James Garner as Wyatt Earp.

    I actually love it.


  25. Mars
    25 | November 18, 2012 3:52 pm

    I usually hate pothead humor, but I read a good one online yesterday.

    A guy posted that we were in hell, 15 states have approved recreational marijuana but there aren’t going to be Twinkies anymore. How are they going to handle their munchies?


  26. RIX
    26 | November 18, 2012 3:52 pm

    See ya later.


  27. huckfunn
    27 | November 18, 2012 3:53 pm

    RIX wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    And the bonus question, Tonto was related to
    Elizabeth Warren./

    For $1000, name Elizabeth Warren’s horse. tick…tock…tick…tock…

    Barack?

    Lurch.


  28. buzzsawmonkey
    28 | November 18, 2012 4:00 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I usually hate pothead humor, but I read a good one online yesterday.

    A guy posted that we were in hell, 15 states have approved recreational marijuana but there aren’t going to be Twinkies anymore. How are they going to handle their munchies?

    I heard someone point out that the state approval of same-sex marriage and of pot legalization just goes to show that if a man lies with a man they should be stoned.


  29. Mars
    29 | November 18, 2012 4:03 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I usually hate pothead humor, but I read a good one online yesterday.
    A guy posted that we were in hell, 15 states have approved recreational marijuana but there aren’t going to be Twinkies anymore. How are they going to handle their munchies?
    I heard someone point out that the state approval of same-sex marriage and of pot legalization just goes to show that if a man lies with a man they should be stoned.

    Lol, that’s pretty good.


  30. 30 | November 18, 2012 4:15 pm

    What, no Randolph Scott?


  31. 31 | November 18, 2012 4:26 pm


  32. lobo91
    32 | November 18, 2012 4:48 pm

    “When you make a salary that’s below the poverty rate in this country, and you’re making $20,000 a year, and they have destroyed neighborhoods, destroyed our communities, the people have every right to protest against this evil empire.”

    --David Schwartz, lunatic labor attorney

    I guess WalMart has taken Iraq’s place in the “Axis of Evil” now…
    //


  33. Lily
    33 | November 18, 2012 4:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    “When you make a salary that’s below the poverty rate in this country, and you’re making $20,000 a year, and they have destroyed neighborhoods, destroyed our communities, the people have every right to protest against this evil empire.”

    --David Schwartz, lunatic labor attorney

    I guess WalMart has taken Iraq’s place in the “Axis of Evil” now…
    //

    Of course…remember obama was all for revenge and revenge against American people apparently. Nothing good has happened since he has been elected.


  34. lobo91
    34 | November 18, 2012 5:04 pm

    @ Lily:

    Of course…remember obama was all for revenge and revenge against American people apparently. Nothing good has happened since he has been elected.

    I’m pretty sure that more Obama voters shop at WalMart than anywhere else.


  35. Lily
    35 | November 18, 2012 5:04 pm

    Insane letter to the editor in newspaper today..read with a *wah* tone.

    GIVE PRESIDENT’S OFFICE RESPECT

    It’s 5 a.m. Thursday November 8, tears are running down my face because I am so upset. The election is over, President Obama is still President, and people still hate him. I ask Why? And the answer is “I don’t know”, I just don’t like him.
    We need to work towards a great future and do it together, otherwise our country will fail. Forget the color of his skin. If you don’t like his looks, think him white. Honestly review what he has accomplished against all odds. Pray for him daily. God may change your mind.
    He is the President of the United States of America; at least give the office he represents the respect that he deserves!

    obama voter aka moonbat

    xxxxxxxxxxx

    I can just imagine this writer crying while writing this to the editor of the paper…trust me anyone who voted against obama knows damn well why they don’t like him and can give you the reasons why they don’t care for obama and give you point by point reasons and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin. I imagine when she asks why someone doesn’t care for obama as president she has her fingers in her ears going *wah ..wah…wah..I can’t hear you!* How do you get through to people like this? You can’t.


  36. eaglesoars
    37 | November 18, 2012 5:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m pretty sure that more Obama voters shop at WalMart than anywhere else.

    And I predict more and more people, regardless of who they voted for, will be shopping there soon (full disclosure; I’ve been shopping at Walmart since the day we moved here 17 yrs ago -- and I LOVE IT)


  37. Lily
    38 | November 18, 2012 5:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Of course…remember obama was all for revenge and revenge against American people apparently. Nothing good has happened since he has been elected.

    I’m pretty sure that more Obama voters shop at WalMart than anywhere else.

    I would bet you money on that! I am just amazed at how brain-washed so many people are. It’s insanity to be honest. They have eyes to see, but cannot see, they have ears to hear, but do not hear.


  38. Lily
    39 | November 18, 2012 5:11 pm

    @ Guggi:

    I’m sorry it’s so totally racist to ask about what obama did at harvard.
    ////////////////////////////////////

    Not to mention it is also raaaaaaaacist to ask about his past.
    /////////////////////////////////

    The media is a total disgrace.


  39. eaglesoars
    40 | November 18, 2012 5:12 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    If they only had been as much interested in O.’s time at Harvard

    heh. The best part was Greg Jaffe very diplomatically letting everyone know “Yeah, I always knew she was a fraud”


  40. Lily
    41 | November 18, 2012 5:13 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m pretty sure that more Obama voters shop at WalMart than anywhere else.

    And I predict more and more people, regardless of who they voted for, will be shopping there soon (full disclosure; I’ve been shopping at Walmart since the day we moved here 17 yrs ago — and I LOVE IT)

    A lot of people shop at Wal-Mart for the cheaper prices…but remember for some reason Wal-Mart is evil…..


  41. lobo91
    42 | November 18, 2012 5:14 pm

    @ Lily:

    Of course, if you turned it around and asked why she voted for Obama, she wouldn’t be able to give you any coherent reasons. It certainly isn’t because of any “accomplishments.”


  42. Guggi
    43 | November 18, 2012 5:14 pm

    @ Lily:

    It’s a shame that all his college/university work is closed as well as his work as a “community organizer” and the media is silent.


  43. RIX
    44 | November 18, 2012 5:15 pm

    @ Lily:

    And people are kidding themselves if they don’t think that
    Obama is coming after the Middle Class.
    He is not a wiz in economics & I suspect his math skills are
    not the best, but he is not an idiot.
    Soak the rich won’t make much of a dent, Soon he will be talking
    about “fair share” to include more Americans.
    He disdains the middle class, too Republican, too suburban
    and way too White.


  44. 45 | November 18, 2012 5:16 pm

    @ Lily:

    Here, try this version. Can’t go wrong with the classics, after all…

    Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.


  45. Lily
    46 | November 18, 2012 5:16 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    @ Lily:

    It’s a shame that all his college/university work is closed as well as his work as a “community organizer” and the media is silent.

    It is completely unreal..but to be honest anyone who actually looks into his past and does report about it…people do not believe them.
    They refuse to believe it. Willfull ignorance.


  46. lobo91
    47 | November 18, 2012 5:17 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Personally, I avoid WalMart like the plague, but I don’t think it’s evil. I just don’t like shopping in stores that are that crowded and never have enough registers open.

    I have a Target about 3 blocks from my house that I shop at regularly. It’s a little more expensive, but I’d rather spend 10 minutes there than 45 minutes at WalMart.


  47. Lily
    48 | November 18, 2012 5:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Of course, if you turned it around and asked why she voted for Obama, she wouldn’t be able to give you any coherent reasons. It certainly isn’t because of any “accomplishments.”

    My thoughts excatly *what accomplishments?* Name them now! Brain dead is my only conclusion.


  48. Mars
    49 | November 18, 2012 5:20 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Insane letter to the editor in newspaper today..read with a *wah* tone.
    GIVE PRESIDENT’S OFFICE RESPECT
    It’s 5 a.m. Thursday November 8, tears are running down my face because I am so upset. The election is over, President Obama is still President, and people still hate him. I ask Why? And the answer is “I don’t know”, I just don’t like him.
    We need to work towards a great future and do it together, otherwise our country will fail. Forget the color of his skin. If you don’t like his looks, think him white. Honestly review what he has accomplished against all odds. Pray for him daily. God may change your mind.
    He is the President of the United States of America; at least give the office he represents the respect that he deserves!
    obama voter aka moonbat
    xxxxxxxxxxx
    I can just imagine this writer crying while writing this to the editor of the paper…trust me anyone who voted against obama knows damn well why they don’t like him and can give you the reasons why they don’t care for obama and give you point by point reasons and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin. I imagine when she asks why someone doesn’t care for obama as president she has her fingers in her ears going *wah ..wah…wah..I can’t hear you!* How do you get through to people like this? You can’t.

    She can’t allow herself to believe there is anything other than racism. To do so would make her reevaluate her beliefs and that is impossible.

    You could talk to this person for hours with charts, film, referenced facts, etc and they would still walk away thinking you were referring to his race.

    Too much introspection would show her that her entire belief in O and the dems as a whole is a house of cards and she doesn’t want to stir the breeze.


  49. RIX
    50 | November 18, 2012 5:20 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    @ Lily:

    It’s a shame that all his college/university work is closed as well as his work as a “community organizer” and the media is silent

    .

    Obama came to Chicago as a Community Organizer with the
    intention of helping steelworkers reclaim their jobs.
    Not one worker was rehired because the plant closed.
    His real work was an agitator for ACORN through an
    affiliate.


  50. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | November 18, 2012 5:21 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    The best part was Greg Jaffe very diplomatically letting everyone know “Yeah, I always knew she was a fraud”

    He’s not saying she’s a fraud so much as saying she’s a social-climbing upstart; how dare she try and get in when she does not deserve to be with her betters!

    Look at his sneer; it says that he pegged her for an “outsider” at the start and still considers her one.


  51. The Osprey
    52 | November 18, 2012 5:22 pm

    A rest stop and a plaque on State Highway 79 to Tucson marks the place where Tom Mix was killed. I’ve stopped at it many times as it is a much more pleasant drive to Tucson than US 10.


  52. lobo91
    53 | November 18, 2012 5:25 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    What I though was interesting is that they didn’t actually do what the headline promised, which was to explain why she left Harvard.

    They said that she was “asked to leave” the program, but then admitted that they didn’t know why.


  53. Guggi
    54 | November 18, 2012 5:25 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    The best part was Greg Jaffe very diplomatically letting everyone know “Yeah, I always knew she was a fraud”

    Yep and Jaffe wrote an article with the great headline:

    Former aides wonder: Did Petraeus stumble in unfamiliar terrain?

    My heart is broken. Not.


  54. Lily
    55 | November 18, 2012 5:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    And people are kidding themselves if they don’t think that
    Obama is coming after the Middle Class.
    He is not a wiz in economics & I suspect his math skills are
    not the best, but he is not an idiot.
    Soak the rich won’t make much of a dent, Soon he will be talking
    about “fair share” to include more Americans.
    He disdains the middle class, too Republican, too suburban
    and way too White.

    Oh indeed he is going after the middle class..but if you even try to tell them what obama is doing…it’s Republican propaganda. No kidding. I’m going *WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?* The Republicans were mean during the election and obama has done a amazing job considering how horrible the Republicans have been in his way. Okay what in the hell is the color of the sky in your world? You really can’t get through to them and it is just amazing how they twist themselves in pretzels to defend obama…have they noticed how many people have lost or fixing to lose their jobs since he was re-elected?
    No comment..except sour grapes …no this is something different going on.


  55. buzzsawmonkey
    56 | November 18, 2012 5:26 pm

    RIX wrote:

    And people are kidding themselves if they don’t think that
    Obama is coming after the Middle Class.
    He is not a wiz in economics & I suspect his math skills are
    not the best, but he is not an idiot.
    Soak the rich won’t make much of a dent, Soon he will be talking
    about “fair share” to include more Americans.
    He disdains the middle class, too Republican, too suburban
    and way too White.

    He went to a Marxist church for 20 years that had, as a central tenet, “the disavowal of middleclassness,” which is merely Marxist hatred of “the bourgeoisie” translated into modern therapy-and-bureaucrat language.

    Never mind that learning the ways of the middle class—i.e., deferring immediate gratification in pursuit of a future goal—is the only way in which the black community will ever rise out of its social sinkhole; Big Race Man Reverend Wright decreed that disavowing the ways of middleclassness is the way to happiness and godliness!

    Never mind that despising the middle class is of a piece with all traditional antisemitism—an antisemitism in which Wright reveled and which Obama swilled down like whiskey on a Saturday night.

    So, yes—of course he’s coming for the middle class.


  56. Lily
    57 | November 18, 2012 5:27 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Excellent!


  57. eaglesoars
    58 | November 18, 2012 5:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I just don’t like shopping in stores that are that crowded and never have enough registers open.

    I think that’s true of a lot of men -- it’s quite understandable -- I try to do my forays at ‘low volume’ times -- say around 10 am on a weekday. But we’re self-employed and I have much more say over my time than many people


  58. Lily
    59 | November 18, 2012 5:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Personally, I avoid WalMart like the plague, but I don’t think it’s evil. I just don’t like shopping in stores that are that crowded and never have enough registers open.

    I have a Target about 3 blocks from my house that I shop at regularly. It’s a little more expensive, but I’d rather spend 10 minutes there than 45 minutes at WalMart.

    True…but sometimes it’s worth the wait when you are buying a lot.
    Early in the morning you don’t have to wait…


  59. lobo91
    60 | November 18, 2012 5:29 pm

    @ Lily:

    have they noticed how many people have lost or fixing to lose their jobs since he was re-elected?

    They have, but they blame it on Republicans.


  60. Mars
    61 | November 18, 2012 5:29 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I just don’t like shopping in stores that are that crowded and never have enough registers open.
    I think that’s true of a lot of men — it’s quite understandable — I try to do my forays at ‘low volume’ times — say around 10 am on a weekday. But we’re self-employed and I have much more say over my time than many people

    I tend to prefer to hit walmart after 10 at night. The crowds are down to tolerable size by then.


  61. lobo91
    62 | November 18, 2012 5:30 pm

    @ Lily:

    Early in the morning you don’t have to wait…

    I prefer to sleep.


  62. RIX
    63 | November 18, 2012 5:32 pm

    @ Lily:
    It’s like a cult.


  63. Mars
    64 | November 18, 2012 5:32 pm

    Apparently Allen West just lost the recount. 242 more votes “appeared” and he lost.

    It’s a crappy thing when the elections are crooked and the only means of remediation are even more crooked.

    The good news is that the head of the Georgia republican party has invited West back to Georgia to run for office.


  64. Lily
    65 | November 18, 2012 5:33 pm

    @ Mars:

    Indeed to actually LOOK at the truth of obama not only would show her his house of cards but her mental house of cards she has built up in her own mind. Both sets of the house of cards would come falling down.
    So she will never, ever visit the thought that obama is truly not good for this country and he doesn’t care a spit about her.


  65. lobo91
    66 | November 18, 2012 5:34 pm

    @ Mars:

    That’s the sort of thing that’s finally going to push things over the edge.

    If people don’t believe the electoral system is being run fairly, they’re going to conclude that the only remedy left is violence.


  66. buzzsawmonkey
    67 | November 18, 2012 5:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That’s the sort of thing that’s finally going to push things over the edge.

    If people don’t believe the electoral system is being run fairly, they’re going to conclude that the only remedy left is violence.

    Just what Bill Ayers always wanted.


  67. RIX
    68 | November 18, 2012 5:36 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He went to a Marxist church for 20 years that had, as a central tenet, “the disavowal of middleclassness,” which is merely Marxist hatred of “the bourgeoisie” translated into modern therapy-and-bureaucrat language.

    And the irony is that Obama has two mansions,one he got in
    a sleazy land deal involving Tony Rezko &b the other we pay
    for.
    Rev Wright lives in an exclusive gated golf course community
    outside of Chicago with a fabulous yearly pay out from the Church.
    Like all Bolsheviks the communal thing is for the masses.


  68. eaglesoars
    69 | November 18, 2012 5:38 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    He’s not saying she’s a fraud so much as saying she’s a social-climbing upstart;

    She lied about her Harvard work and her West Point fitness award. That’s says fraud. He did, I agree, also imply she’s a social climber.

    Guggi wrote:

    Yep and Jaffe wrote an article with the great headline:
    Former aides wonder: Did Petraeus stumble in unfamiliar terrain?

    Yeah, well somebody else writes the headlines. Someone mentioned today that before Broadwell, there was another woman, whose name I can’t recall, who wrote a biography, and she actually went to work for him.


  69. Mars
    70 | November 18, 2012 5:38 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    That’s the sort of thing that’s finally going to push things over the edge.
    If people don’t believe the electoral system is being run fairly, they’re going to conclude that the only remedy left is violence.

    I know I am fully becoming aware of the fact that the way things are going the Dems have now managed to set things up so they can steal every election from now on.


  70. eaglesoars
    71 | November 18, 2012 5:40 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I tend to prefer to hit walmart after 10 at night

    I am a 60 yr old, physically small woman. I don’t go out at night by myself if it can possibly be avoided, even with my weapon.


  71. lobo91
    72 | November 18, 2012 5:40 pm

    @ Mars:

    I know I am fully becoming aware of the fact that the way things are going the Dems have now managed to set things up so they can steal every election from now on.

    Look up the “secretary of state project” sometime.

    They’ve been working on this for awhile.


  72. buzzsawmonkey
    73 | November 18, 2012 5:42 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    She lied about her Harvard work and her West Point fitness award. That’s says fraud. He did, I agree, also imply she’s a social climber.

    I’m not denying she’s got a spotty record. I’m merely pointing out that his “well, this is what I always thought of her, even before I had any factual background for it” snottiness has almost nothing to do with her misrepresentations; it is Jaffe confirming that he’s a snot, a snob, and a fraud, who is happy that events have, in effect, retroactively validated his utterly subjective disgust for her on purely social grounds.

    Frankly, I prefer an honest fraud to a snotty, arrogant, self-satisfied snob.


  73. Lily
    74 | November 18, 2012 5:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    And people are kidding themselves if they don’t think that
    Obama is coming after the Middle Class.
    He is not a wiz in economics & I suspect his math skills are
    not the best, but he is not an idiot.
    Soak the rich won’t make much of a dent, Soon he will be talking
    about “fair share” to include more Americans.
    He disdains the middle class, too Republican, too suburban
    and way too White.

    He went to a Marxist church for 20 years that had, as a central tenet, “the disavowal of middleclassness,” which is merely Marxist hatred of “the bourgeoisie” translated into modern therapy-and-bureaucrat language.

    Never mind that learning the ways of the middle class—i.e., deferring immediate gratification in pursuit of a future goal—is the only way in which the black community will ever rise out of its social sinkhole; Big Race Man Reverend Wright decreed that disavowing the ways of middleclassness is the way to happiness and godliness!

    Never mind that despising the middle class is of a piece with all traditional antisemitism—an antisemitism in which Wright reveled and which Obama swilled down like whiskey on a Saturday night.

    So, yes—of course he’s coming for the middle class.

    And if you even mention the swill that obama wallowed in for 20 years to the obama voter…*all religions are the same*. They refuse to even visit this and refuse to even believe what Wright even said.


  74. buzzsawmonkey
    75 | November 18, 2012 5:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Look up the “secretary of state project” sometime.

    They’ve been working on this for awhile.

    Soft communist coup. Enjoy this month’s potato, comrade.


  75. Lily
    76 | November 18, 2012 5:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    have they noticed how many people have lost or fixing to lose their jobs since he was re-elected?

    They have, but they blame it on Republicans.

    We have a winner!!! It’s the evil Republicans fault!


  76. Mars
    77 | November 18, 2012 5:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I know I am fully becoming aware of the fact that the way things are going the Dems have now managed to set things up so they can steal every election from now on.
    Look up the “secretary of state project” sometime.
    They’ve been working on this for awhile.

    I know all about it. Our last Sec of State was a Soros plant.

    http://conservativebyte.com/2012/11/anonymous-we-hacked-gop-on-election-day/

    If they actually did this why is it hard to believe they could have hit the polling machines?

    (Of course these lying little bastards also claim responsibility for weather changes and dog farts.)

    I personally still believe that virus creation, DDOS attacks, hacking, and identity theft should be classified as terrorism and punished by execution.

    (They are terrorists, read what they have been doing to Israel.)


  77. Lily
    78 | November 18, 2012 5:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Early in the morning you don’t have to wait…

    I prefer to sleep.

    I do too… I send hubby….he’s a early riser! LOL! ;)


  78. eaglesoars
    79 | November 18, 2012 5:46 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    it is Jaffe confirming that he’s a snot, a snob, and a fraud, who is happy that events have, in effect, retroactively validated his utterly subjective disgust for her on purely social grounds.

    Hoo, buzz, that’s HARSH. I’ve known people like her and didn’t like them -- I perceived them as phoney and I just steered clear.


  79. Mars
    80 | November 18, 2012 5:47 pm

    Mars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    I know I am fully becoming aware of the fact that the way things are going the Dems have now managed to set things up so they can steal every election from now on.
    Look up the “secretary of state project” sometime.
    They’ve been working on this for awhile.

    I know all about it. Our last Sec of State was a Soros plant.
    http://conservativebyte.com/2012/11/anonymous-we-hacked-gop-on-election-day/
    If they actually did this why is it hard to believe they could have hit the polling machines?
    (Of course these lying little bastards also claim responsibility for weather changes and dog farts.)
    I personally still believe that virus creation, DDOS attacks, hacking, and identity theft should be classified as terrorism and punished by execution.
    (They are terrorists, read what they have been doing to Israel.)

    If the members of anonymous shit themselves when the FBI shows up at their doors with “real guns” imagine what would happen if a Mossad team snatched their asses up and took them somewhere for a “talk”.


  80. buzzsawmonkey
    81 | November 18, 2012 5:51 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Hoo, buzz, that’s HARSH. I’ve known people like her and didn’t like them — I perceived them as phoney and I just steered clear.

    Me, too. I’m judging, not Broadwell—who I am sure is an obnoxious, mendacious climber—but Jaffe, for being the American equivalent of what the Brits would call a toffee-nosed git. He’s acting like one of those women in that Richard Widmark western where they all come up to the woman he’s rescued from the Apaches and instead of being even nominally polite they all want to know how many savages she’s slept with.

    I’m not excusing Broadwell for anything; I’m just saying Jaffe shows himself to be a prig and a prick.


  81. eaglesoars
    82 | November 18, 2012 5:53 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I’m just saying Jaffe shows himself to be a prig and a prick.

    Well, then, so am I -- at least on occasion.


  82. buzzsawmonkey
    83 | November 18, 2012 5:56 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Well, then, so am I — at least on occasion.

    We all are—on occasion. I refuse to believe that it is ingrained in you the way Jaffe reveals it ingrained in him.

    I took a real dislike to his pursed-lip politesse.


  83. buzzsawmonkey
    84 | November 18, 2012 5:57 pm

    And, that disposed of, I will observe that Paula Broadwell appears to suffer from Ann Coulter/Michelle Obama Disease, which results in overexposure of the arms.


  84. RIX
    85 | November 18, 2012 5:58 pm

    @ Lily:

    He went to a Marxist church for 20 years that had, as a central tenet, “the disavowal of middleclassness,” which is merely Marxist hatred of “the bourgeoisie” translated into modern therapy-and-bureaucrat language.

    Racism is always the fallback accusation.


  85. 86 | November 18, 2012 6:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Excellent!

    In Virginia, we live in the land of giants. That was March 23, 1775, at St. John’s church in Richmond, BTW.


  86. Guggi
    87 | November 18, 2012 6:00 pm

    Yeah, it’s all Broadwell’s fault, a femme fatale, who tricked the good naive and shy general into a sex trap./////

    Give me a break.


  87. eaglesoars
    88 | November 18, 2012 6:01 pm

    Something tells me there is capalini w/pesto sauce in my future. My very near future.

    BRB


  88. Lily
    89 | November 18, 2012 6:10 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It’s like a cult.

    It’s very cultish. I think the answer to how obama got re-elected isn’t talking to people who voted against obama ..they get it..the answer lies with *WHO* voted for him. Because it is clear across the spectrum. And the answers to the *why* are simply dumb-founding to be honest.


  89. buzzsawmonkey
    90 | November 18, 2012 6:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    And the answers to the *why* are simply dumb-founding to be honest.

    Ladyparts!
    Binders of women!
    Outlawing tampons!
    Free hoo-hah care!


  90. Lily
    91 | November 18, 2012 6:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:

    That’s the sort of thing that’s finally going to push things over the edge.

    If people don’t believe the electoral system is being run fairly, they’re going to conclude that the only remedy left is violence.

    You saw a symptom of that this past election…there was more than one person who thought their vote didn’t count. Because of the fraud of the last presidental election. What truly surprised me was I thought there would be a record turn-out when in fact on both sides there was depressed turn-outs when compared to the 2008 election.


  91. eaglesoars
    92 | November 18, 2012 6:15 pm

    Lily wrote:

    And the answers to the *why* are simply dumb-founding to be honest.

    I saw a poll today that asked “Who do you think cares about you?”

    Obama 53%, Romney 43%

    (I’m not clear on when the poll was taken)

    Now what does that tell you? In one sense or another, it says that voters think Obama will ‘take care of them’ -- which means Romney was absolutely right.


  92. RIX
    93 | November 18, 2012 6:16 pm

    @ Lily:
    Most Obama voters think that the Tea Party is violent &
    that the Occupy people are peaceful idealists.
    It’s absurd, but they buy in.


  93. buzzsawmonkey
    94 | November 18, 2012 6:16 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    “Caring,” like “apologizing,” became debased currency long ago.


  94. eaglesoars
    95 | November 18, 2012 6:17 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    “Caring,” like “apologizing,” became debased currency long ago.

    Well, it appears it depends on which market you’re trading in doesn’t it?


  95. RIX
    96 | November 18, 2012 6:18 pm

    Everybody have a good evening.


  96. buzzsawmonkey
    97 | November 18, 2012 6:19 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Well, it appears it depends on which market you’re trading in doesn’t it?

    Not really; company scrip never rises to coin of the realm.


  97. buzzsawmonkey
    98 | November 18, 2012 6:22 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Everybody have a good evening.

    Thank you, but I have other plans.


  98. Lily
    99 | November 18, 2012 6:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    And the answers to the *why* are simply dumb-founding to be honest.

    Ladyparts!
    Binders of women!
    Outlawing tampons!
    Free hoo-hah care!

    No kidding…people actually thought these were so important..unreal.


  99. 100 | November 18, 2012 6:43 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I’m pretty sure that more Obama voters shop at WalMart than anywhere else.
    And I predict more and more people, regardless of who they voted for, will be shopping there soon (full disclosure; I’ve been shopping at Walmart since the day we moved here 17 yrs ago — and I LOVE IT)

    Not me. I used to get clothes there, back in the day when they had US-made clothes that would last through multiple washings. Now, not so much.

    We buy groceries there, and sometimes cat food and RV supplies (we live in a motorhome). Other stuff, not worth the money -- we go to the dollar stores.


  100. 101 | November 18, 2012 6:45 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    And the answers to the *why* are simply dumb-founding to be honest.
    I saw a poll today that asked “Who do you think cares about you?”
    Obama 53%, Romney 43%
    (I’m not clear on when the poll was taken)
    Now what does that tell you? In one sense or another, it says that voters think Obama will ‘take care of them’ — which means Romney was absolutely right.

    My answer: God, and my husband, in that order. Maybe a few other people who are personally acquainted with me. Or maybe not.

    Politicians are incapable of caring about me. It appears to me that they have no souls and cannot be ministered to. With hardly any exceptions, they are demonic presences sent by the Father of Lies to bedevil this fallen world.


  101. lobo91
    103 | November 18, 2012 6:45 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Yeah, I remember when WalMart used to have big signs up touting all the American-made stuff they sold.

    Today, even the signs themselves are probably made in China.


  102. Lily
    104 | November 18, 2012 6:45 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    And the answers to the *why* are simply dumb-founding to be honest.

    I saw a poll today that asked “Who do you think cares about you?”

    Obama 53%, Romney 43%

    (I’m not clear on when the poll was taken)

    Now what does that tell you? In one sense or another, it says that voters think Obama will ‘take care of them’ — which means Romney was absolutely right.

    Oh absolutely people actually thought obama *cared* about them. I think it goes beyond the fact that obama *will take care of them* ..for some reason they think obama *really, really cares about them*. When in fact he could give a crap about most Americans.
    Need to ask the people who are working that voted for obama …and *obama cares about Americans* these are not people who are wanting free stuff they are working. So it goes way beyond just free stuff.


  103. 105 | November 18, 2012 6:46 pm

    @ Lily:

    I kept explaining here the Obama phenomenon but no one listened.


  104. 106 | November 18, 2012 6:47 pm

    @ Lily:

    They thought Obama feels their pain and Romney was out of touch. Also the Republican Party has an image problem and that’s something that needs to be addressed.


  105. Lily
    107 | November 18, 2012 6:49 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Most Obama voters think that the Tea Party is violent &
    that the Occupy people are peaceful idealists.
    It’s absurd, but they buy in.

    Yep they do buy into this. I’m not looking at polls I’m actually asking people … they are totally ignorant of what obama is all about. And any bad things said about obama is purely Republican propaganda.


  106. Lily
    108 | November 18, 2012 6:55 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    All politicians are demons???? Un-redeemable?


  107. darkwords
    109 | November 18, 2012 6:55 pm

    Pastebin trends.

    http://pastebin.com/trends

    You can see the anti israel social tech trying to ogranize.


  108. Lily
    110 | November 18, 2012 6:56 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ 1389AD:

    Yeah, I remember when WalMart used to have big signs up touting all the American-made stuff they sold.

    Today, even the signs themselves are probably made in China.

    How many American companies have gone under?


  109. Lily
    111 | November 18, 2012 7:04 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ Rodan:

    Oh I listened to you about the cultish-image of obama…but totally misread how many people are brain-washed concerning obama. I have found there is more than one single reason for what happened and another reason is how uninformed many people are concerning obama and his agenda. If they read anything negative about obama they consider it propaganda. I don’t know how you can fix this. For one..one person who voted for obama would have voted for Jindal if he ran. The reasons are so out there it is really unbelievable.


  110. 112 | November 18, 2012 7:09 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Not all.

    I said, with ‘hardly any exceptions,’ not ‘with no exceptions.’


  111. Lily
    113 | November 18, 2012 7:14 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I have to agree I don’t put my *faith* in any politician or any man for that matter. Unlike the cult of obama..and at this point you have to conclude it is cultish and a cult. I have never really seen personally anything quite like it.


  112. 114 | November 18, 2012 7:15 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    I have to agree I don’t put my *faith* in any politician or any man for that matter. Unlike the cult of obama..and at this point you have to conclude it is cultish and a cult. I have never really seen personally anything quite like it.

    “Put not your faith in princes…”


  113. darkwords
    115 | November 18, 2012 7:17 pm

    @ 111 Lily: I am with you on that. I am surprised at the number of fluff heads in the country who vote on gut feelings based on propoganda. And won’t listen to the other point of view. I think the goal is to just find one of those people and give them something to think about.


  114. eaglesoars
    116 | November 18, 2012 7:21 pm

    Off topic but -- I’m watching PBS’ broadcast on Sandy -I hadn’t realized how HUGE that thing was. It looks like it covered at least as much area as Katrina


  115. Mars
    117 | November 18, 2012 7:21 pm

    hillbuzz.org/class-vs-crass


  116. buzzsawmonkey
    118 | November 18, 2012 7:22 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Off topic but — I’m watching PBS’ broadcast on Sandy -I hadn’t realized how HUGE that thing was. It looks like it covered at least as much area as Katrina

    Wait until Stephen Sondheim comes out with his musical comparing Katrina to Sandy; “Sandy in the Park with George.”


  117. Lily
    119 | November 18, 2012 7:31 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I took ill last Saturday and when I called to wish another person happy birthday who lived out of state they said that obama winning probably didn’t help with me taking ill. I had no intention of mentioning politic’s..I simply said it is what it is…and then it became very clear they voted for obama and I just started asking questions. The answers I got were not what I thought. They have bought hook, line and sinker the narrative the MSM was pushing. They found that the Republicans ran a negative campaign..when many here were wishing the Republicans should have been more negative. So I decided to listen to what people had to say who voted for obama …it was quite revealing. They had little to no knowledge of Benghazi, Fast and Furious and any other scandal obama was involved in. They ignored all the wasted money obama has thrown into green energy and believe in global warming and the United States should be an example to other countries to follow the way…they blame the huge debt we are in to Bush..when Bush wasn’t in office the past four years. It was truly mind-boggling. Another reason was Romney was rich from another person (again out of state) to which I replied and obama isn’t? And got no answer. They are very quick to raise thier voices and so this is what I am doing is asking the reason *why* not arguing with them and yet they are the first to raise thier voices. Polls seem impersonal. So I am actually asking people. It’s unreal.


  118. Lily
    120 | November 18, 2012 7:35 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Off topic but — I’m watching PBS’ broadcast on Sandy -I hadn’t realized how HUGE that thing was. It looks like it covered at least as much area as Katrina

    Not to mention it hit a very tightly high-populated area.


  119. 121 | November 18, 2012 7:37 pm

    From down thread to The Osprey: That guy is from Ulan Bator Air/Sea Rescue!


  120. eaglesoars
    122 | November 18, 2012 7:41 pm

    Lily wrote:

    They are very quick to raise thier voices and so this is what I am doing is asking the reason *why* not arguing with them and yet they are the first to raise thier voices.

    They’re defending their pathology. Reality means nothing


  121. Lily
    123 | November 18, 2012 7:43 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    They are very quick to raise thier voices and so this is what I am doing is asking the reason *why* not arguing with them and yet they are the first to raise thier voices.

    They’re defending their pathology. Reality means nothing

    Indeed. I don’t think they can accept the reality for some reason.


  122. darkwords
    125 | November 18, 2012 7:48 pm

    @ 119 Lily: I should ask my mom the obama voter why she voted the way she did. lol. I suspect you might be right, that just being a good listener and asking people why they voted for Obama is the best truth medicine all the way around.


  123. darkwords
    126 | November 18, 2012 7:50 pm

    @ 119 Lily:
    I asked the ferb dude a couple of times if he supported obama and why. he never would answer. one would almost think then he felt guilty about supporting obama, or had some way out reason that people reject out of hand. Like Ramtha told him to do it.


  124. buzzsawmonkey
  125. huckfunn
    128 | November 18, 2012 7:52 pm

    In case you hadn’t heard, Austin’s F1 race track opened this weekend for its first race. Total attendance for the 3 day event was over 265,000 peeps. Here’s the first guy to around the track. Go to full screen and buckle up.


  126. darkwords
    129 | November 18, 2012 7:55 pm

    The only honest reason I can see someone voting for OBama is Obamacare. it does offer a better solution for some people with pre existing conditions. A lot of people feel screwed over by their current health care restrictions. Romney didn’t have the right graduated plan reply where people could make clear choices with clear consequences.

    Anyone that voted for Obama because he is black is a modern fool. someone that wouldn’t make a good friend. vote for him because he is a leader in something, not because of his skin color. That is so 60′s.. That is like 50 years ago. lol. Almost 3 generations and a voter still wants to live the illusion that they are in Selma, Alabama with Martin Luther King Jr.


  127. Lily
    130 | November 18, 2012 8:00 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 119 Lily: I should ask my mom the obama voter why she voted the way she did. lol. I suspect you might be right, that just being a good listener and asking people why they voted for Obama is the best truth medicine all the way around.

    If you are searching for a reason for how in the hell did obama get re-elected by all means do ask your mother. For one if the Republican party really does want to know how in the world did the election go so wrong and what can we do about it? The answer lies in those who voted for obama. From what I could tell the people who voted for obama run the gamet..some are conservatives (belief it or not) some are independents and some are democrats. That is where the answer is. And for some reason one thing keeps rising to the top…*obama cared more*. How? He came across cold and full of revenge. But for some reason no matter how he came across the MSM narrative is what truly ties together the reason …we who voted for Romney can look inward all we want the answers aren’t there it is looking outward. Another thing that I have noticed is that they believe the truth to be propaganda and propaganda to be the truth. Amazing.


  128. eaglesoars
    131 | November 18, 2012 8:03 pm

    Lily wrote:

    And for some reason one thing keeps rising to the top…*obama cared more*.

    Or the inverse “Romney is out of touch with ordinary people’ -- the same thing -- expressed in positive terms for Obama, negative terms for Romney


  129. Lily
    132 | November 18, 2012 8:03 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Again here is what I noticed too…obamacare..they are clueless about it and think it is a good thing. They have no idea what they have done.

    No don’t ask the ones that voted on color..that is pure redundent.


  130. Lily
    133 | November 18, 2012 8:05 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    And for some reason one thing keeps rising to the top…*obama cared more*.

    Or the inverse “Romney is out of touch with ordinary people’ — the same thing — expressed in positive terms for Obama, negative terms for Romney

    Excatly. When in reality *obama is out of touch with ordinary people*. The MSM stills pulls a lot of clout and people bought what they were saying hook, line and sinker.


  131. Lily
    134 | November 18, 2012 8:09 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 119 Lily:
    I asked the ferb dude a couple of times if he supported obama and why. he never would answer. one would almost think then he felt guilty about supporting obama, or had some way out reason that people reject out of hand. Like Ramtha told him to do it.

    He only came over here to gloat. You were never going to get an answer from him. He avoided answers like the plague. Where has been lately? Gone. His job is done now …he got to gloat.


  132. Mars
    135 | November 18, 2012 8:10 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Will Wheatons wife looks a little bit like his star trek mom.

    Don’t ever read his blog or twitter. He’s an obamabot to the extreme.
    Sad too, I’ve enjoyed a lot of the things he’s done. And his youtube channel is excellent.

    But, he’s totally freaking insane.


  133. Lily
    136 | November 18, 2012 8:12 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Obese Cheetos-eater now defending “Paliwood.”

    Unbelievable!! Why am I not surprised? Truly deluded.


  134. eaglesoars
    137 | November 18, 2012 8:14 pm

    Lily wrote:

    The MSM stills pulls a lot of clout and people bought what they were saying hook, line and sinker.

    It’s called ‘framing’

    In my #131 I noted the negative framing for Romney and the positive framing for Obama

    1) A frame “offers a perspective.” It manages the viewer’s alignment in relation to the issue. Picture frames on expensive artwork are often deep to ensure that the viewer examines the artwork from a limited perspective. . . a perspective that flatters the artwork, of course. Just as a picture frame can obscure a painting from an oblique view, so a psychological frame invites the observer to view the topic from a certain perspective. By labeling ground beef as “75% lean” rather than “25% fat,” for example, researchers Levin & Gaeth (1988) were able to impel people to consider meat in terms of its positive healthful qualities.

    2) A frame “manipulates salience.” That is, it directs the viewer to consider certain features and ignore others. A picture frame sets the artwork apart from the wallpaper. A psychological frame, however, encourages the observer to attend to a feature of the stimulus within the frame, while disregarding other features of that same stimulus which lie outside the frame. To borrow the language of the Gestaltists, a frame emphasizes ‘figure’ at the expense of ‘ground.’ For example, referring to someone as “blue collar” or “intellectual” or “an athlete” emphasizes one particular feature of that person. Perception may become organized around the label.

    3) A frame influences “subsequent judgment.” The frame precedes a persuasive attempt, and implies a certain organization for the information that follows. A story tells of a Florentine patron of the arts who took a beautiful picture frame to Leonardo da Vinci and asked him to paint a picture that would fit within it. Ludicrous as this sounds, a successful psychological frame operates in precisely this fashion. Information received after the frame is delivered may be organized and resized to fit within the parameters established by the frame. The frame not only contains, but constrains. The frame helps create the picture we view.


  135. brookly red
    138 | November 18, 2012 8:17 pm

    Lily wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 119 Lily: I should ask my mom the obama voter why she voted the way she did. lol. I suspect you might be right, that just being a good listener and asking people why they voted for Obama is the best truth medicine all the way around.

    If you are searching for a reason for how in the hell did obama get re-elected…

    Obama got re-elected because the religious right stayed home and would not vote for a Mormon. Look at the numbers, sad but true. More stayed home than did for McCain… now I am not judging just looking at numbers. I Romney was a Protestant he would have won handily.


  136. Lily
    139 | November 18, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    This makes perfect sense.


  137. eaglesoars
    140 | November 18, 2012 8:20 pm

    Media Framing

    The premiere framing institution of our time, the American media dramatically shapes the way we view current issues. As early as 1920, a scientist named Lippman proposed that the media would control public opinion by focusing attention on selected issues while ignoring others. Known as the “agenda-setting” hypothesis, the idea that people were easily susceptible to media influence was soon derided as an overly simplistic misperception of the viewing audience.

    Through most of this century, media pundits claimed that the public wasn’t susceptible to simple “hypodermic” injections from the media (and you can still hear this defense put forward by today’s media moguls). But the agenda-setting hypothesis has been revisited recently by scientists like Krosnick & Miller (1996), who have traced surges and declines in presidential popularity to media contextualizing


  138. Lily
    141 | November 18, 2012 8:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 119 Lily: I should ask my mom the obama voter why she voted the way she did. lol. I suspect you might be right, that just being a good listener and asking people why they voted for Obama is the best truth medicine all the way around.

    If you are searching for a reason for how in the hell did obama get re-elected…

    Obama got re-elected because the religious right stayed home and would not vote for a Mormon. Look at the numbers, sad but true. More stayed home than did for McCain… now I am not judging just looking at numbers. I Romney was a Protestant he would have won handily.

    There in lies a factor too. Not only that you had a Catholic VP too.
    I haven’t asked the religious yet who and why but I certainly know certain segments of the Christian religions don’t care for Mormons or Catholic’s. This is sad…because they basically voted for an atheist who leans towards favoring Islam and has waged war on Christians and has a huge disdain for Jewish people. What in the hell were these people thinking?


  139. brookly red
    142 | November 18, 2012 8:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    There in lies a factor too. Not only that you had a Catholic VP too.
    I haven’t asked the religious yet who and why but I certainly know certain segments of the Christian religions don’t care for Mormons or Catholic’s. This is sad…because they basically voted for an atheist who leans towards favoring Islam and has waged war on Christians and has a huge disdain for Jewish people. What in the hell were these people thinking?

    It isn’t MHO it is statically the truth look at the turn out numbers…


  140. Mars
    143 | November 18, 2012 8:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    darkwords wrote:
    @ 119 Lily: I should ask my mom the obama voter why she voted the way she did. lol. I suspect you might be right, that just being a good listener and asking people why they voted for Obama is the best truth medicine all the way around.
    If you are searching for a reason for how in the hell did obama get re-elected…
    Obama got re-elected because the religious right stayed home and would not vote for a Mormon. Look at the numbers, sad but true. More stayed home than did for McCain… now I am not judging just looking at numbers. I Romney was a Protestant he would have won handily.

    There in lies a factor too. Not only that you had a Catholic VP too.
    I haven’t asked the religious yet who and why but I certainly know certain segments of the Christian religions don’t care for Mormons or Catholic’s. This is sad…because they basically voted for an atheist who leans towards favoring Islam and has waged war on Christians and has a huge disdain for Jewish people. What in the hell were these people thinking?

    Thought never came into it. With everything connected to liberalism it was all about “feelings”.


  141. Lily
    144 | November 18, 2012 8:29 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    There in lies a factor too. Not only that you had a Catholic VP too.
    I haven’t asked the religious yet who and why but I certainly know certain segments of the Christian religions don’t care for Mormons or Catholic’s. This is sad…because they basically voted for an atheist who leans towards favoring Islam and has waged war on Christians and has a huge disdain for Jewish people. What in the hell were these people thinking?

    It isn’t MHO it is statically the truth look at the turn out numbers…

    Sorry didn’t mean to imply it was just your opinion…I know that a huge swath of the religious right stayed home and didn’t vote because Romney is Mormon. I just haven’t spoken to a person who stayed home for that reason. But I would have to look out of state for that. Here there where far more signs saying “We vote for Religious Freedom”. So where I lived Romney being a Mormon didn’t matter.


  142. Mars
    145 | November 18, 2012 8:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    There in lies a factor too. Not only that you had a Catholic VP too.
    I haven’t asked the religious yet who and why but I certainly know certain segments of the Christian religions don’t care for Mormons or Catholic’s. This is sad…because they basically voted for an atheist who leans towards favoring Islam and has waged war on Christians and has a huge disdain for Jewish people. What in the hell were these people thinking?
    It isn’t MHO it is statically the truth look at the turn out numbers…

    Sorry didn’t mean to imply it was just your opinion…I know that a huge swath of the religious right stayed home and didn’t vote because Romney is Mormon. I just haven’t spoken to a person who stayed home for that reason. But I would have to look out of state for that. Here there where far more signs saying “We vote for Religious Freedom”. So where I lived Romney being a Mormon didn’t matter.

    What isn’t explained is why so many mormons stayed home.


  143. Lily
    146 | November 18, 2012 8:31 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    darkwords wrote:
    @ 119 Lily: I should ask my mom the obama voter why she voted the way she did. lol. I suspect you might be right, that just being a good listener and asking people why they voted for Obama is the best truth medicine all the way around.
    If you are searching for a reason for how in the hell did obama get re-elected…
    Obama got re-elected because the religious right stayed home and would not vote for a Mormon. Look at the numbers, sad but true. More stayed home than did for McCain… now I am not judging just looking at numbers. I Romney was a Protestant he would have won handily.

    There in lies a factor too. Not only that you had a Catholic VP too.
    I haven’t asked the religious yet who and why but I certainly know certain segments of the Christian religions don’t care for Mormons or Catholic’s. This is sad…because they basically voted for an atheist who leans towards favoring Islam and has waged war on Christians and has a huge disdain for Jewish people. What in the hell were these people thinking?

    Thought never came into it. With everything connected to liberalism it was all about “feelings”.

    Critical thinking has gone out the window and how you feel is so much more important even if the facts don’t jell with how you feel. Total insanity.


  144. brookly red
    147 | November 18, 2012 8:31 pm

    OT: mean while back on the interwebs, http://rt.com/news/anonymous-israel-officials-leaked-002/

    Now considering this is a real war with real people getting killed, I think anonymous just screwed the pooch and made themselves legitimate targets. Personally I would not want the Mossad to consider me a threat, but they chose to go there.


  145. 148 | November 18, 2012 8:33 pm

    New Thread.


  146. brookly red
    149 | November 18, 2012 8:34 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    There in lies a factor too. Not only that you had a Catholic VP too.
    I haven’t asked the religious yet who and why but I certainly know certain segments of the Christian religions don’t care for Mormons or Catholic’s. This is sad…because they basically voted for an atheist who leans towards favoring Islam and has waged war on Christians and has a huge disdain for Jewish people. What in the hell were these people thinking?

    It isn’t MHO it is statically the truth look at the turn out numbers…

    Sorry didn’t mean to imply it was just your opinion…I know that a huge swath of the religious right stayed home and didn’t vote because Romney is Mormon. I just haven’t spoken to a person who stayed home for that reason. But I would have to look out of state for that. Here there where far more signs saying “We vote for Religious Freedom”. So where I lived Romney being a Mormon didn’t matter.

    no no I never said you did I just wanted to make it clear I was talking math and not religion


  147. Mars
    150 | November 18, 2012 8:34 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    OT: mean while back on the interwebs, http://rt.com/news/anonymous-israel-officials-leaked-002/
    Now considering this is a real war with real people getting killed, I think anonymous just screwed the pooch and made themselves legitimate targets. Personally I would not want the Mossad to consider me a threat, but they chose to go there.

    They are also taking credit for hacking and destroying Romneys ORCA system.

    Read what I posted earlier. If these little bastards are shitting themselves when the FBI shows up with “real guns” imagine what will happen when a Mossad team takes them somewhere for a “talk”.

    (I also believe that their cybercrimes should result in capital punishment. They are terrorists and should be treated as such. Like terrorists should be, not like O treats them.)


  148. Lily
    151 | November 18, 2012 8:35 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    There in lies a factor too. Not only that you had a Catholic VP too.
    I haven’t asked the religious yet who and why but I certainly know certain segments of the Christian religions don’t care for Mormons or Catholic’s. This is sad…because they basically voted for an atheist who leans towards favoring Islam and has waged war on Christians and has a huge disdain for Jewish people. What in the hell were these people thinking?
    It isn’t MHO it is statically the truth look at the turn out numbers…

    Sorry didn’t mean to imply it was just your opinion…I know that a huge swath of the religious right stayed home and didn’t vote because Romney is Mormon. I just haven’t spoken to a person who stayed home for that reason. But I would have to look out of state for that. Here there where far more signs saying “We vote for Religious Freedom”. So where I lived Romney being a Mormon didn’t matter.

    What isn’t explained is why so many mormons stayed home.

    That is even more perplexing to be honest. What in world went on? From what I can tell..a mixed soup of things. Because it was very apparent that Romney was by far more presidental and knew what he was talking about than obama. Obama didn’t even know the military stills uses bayonets!!!!!
    Bottom line the MSM did no favors to this country and people were brain washed and willingly let themselves be that way.


  149. 152 | November 18, 2012 8:35 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Obama got re-elected because the religious right stayed home

    That’s lot true at all. The whole staying home thing is a myth that has been debunked. The fact is Obama ran a better campaign, had the media on his side, the GOP is dysfunctional and doesn’t appeal to segments of the country. It’s as simple as that.


  150. Lily
    153 | November 18, 2012 8:39 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    OT: mean while back on the interwebs, http://rt.com/news/anonymous-israel-officials-leaked-002/

    Now considering this is a real war with real people getting killed, I think anonymous just screwed the pooch and made themselves legitimate targets. Personally I would not want the Mossad to consider me a threat, but they chose to go there.

    Why isn’t this group considered a terrorist group? I hope the Mossad goes after them …I have no sympathy for them and they should be treated as an enemy.


  151. eaglesoars
    154 | November 18, 2012 8:42 pm

    @ Rodan:

    hey Rodan, starting w/my #131 above, look at the stuff I found on ‘framing’ -- also covers media


  152. Bumr50
    155 | November 18, 2012 8:42 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I agree.

    I wish it were that simple, and have no particular affinity for the “religious right.”

    It’s just not true.

    As predicted in a pre-election Pew polls and elsewhere, traditional Catholics and evangelicals seem to have repeated their 2004 high water of support for the Republican presidential nominee. Exit polls showed that white evangelicals, who were 26 percent of total voters, rehashed their 2004 level of support for George W. Bush, supporting Romney by 79 percent to 21 percent. In 2004 white evangelicals were 23 percent of the electorate, sparking fears of impending theocracy by some on the Left.

    Exit polling revealed Protestants and other Christians (including evangelicals and Mainline Protestants of all races plus presumably Eastern Orthodox), who made up 53 percent of the electorate, voted 42 percent for Obama and 57 percent for Romney. A poll more strictly confined to Protestants shows they favored Romney 62 to 37 percent. White Protestant and other Christians, comprising 39 percent of the total, favored Romney 69 to 30 percent. Weekly Protestant church attenders favored Romney 70 percent to 29 percent.


  153. Lily
    156 | November 18, 2012 8:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Obama got re-elected because the religious right stayed home

    That’s lot true at all. The whole staying home thing is a myth that has been debunked. The fact is Obama ran a better campaign, had the media on his side, the GOP is dysfunctional and doesn’t appeal to segments of the country. It’s as simple as that.

    I don’t think obama ran a better campaign…what happened is the media was fully in the tank for obama..that is what happened.


  154. Mars
    157 | November 18, 2012 8:45 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    OT: mean while back on the interwebs, http://rt.com/news/anonymous-israel-officials-leaked-002/
    Now considering this is a real war with real people getting killed, I think anonymous just screwed the pooch and made themselves legitimate targets. Personally I would not want the Mossad to consider me a threat, but they chose to go there.

    Why isn’t this group considered a terrorist group? I hope the Mossad goes after them …I have no sympathy for them and they should be treated as an enemy.

    The hilarious part is they think they are untraceable and untouchable.

    Yet the FBI has hit them on a number of occasions. My favorite bit is this:

    6am, door busted down (NOT KIDDING), “FBI FBI FBI POLICE FBI GET YOUR ARMS UP AND DONT MOVE THEM. WALK DOWNSTAIRS RIGHT NOW. DO NOT MOVE YOUR HANDS.” — TWO *REAL* GUNS POINTED AT ME.

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/01/two-real-guns-pointed-at-me-how-the-fbi-raided-anonymous/

    The stupid shits think it is a game. And everytime that danger happens they cry and hope mommy will save them.

    Remember when Anonymous went after the mexican drug cartels?

    Me neither, they chickened out and cancelled the whole thing after death threats.


  155. Mars
    158 | November 18, 2012 8:47 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I agree.
    I wish it were that simple, and have no particular affinity for the “religious right.”

    It’s just not true.
    As predicted in a pre-election Pew polls and elsewhere, traditional Catholics and evangelicals seem to have repeated their 2004 high water of support for the Republican presidential nominee. Exit polls showed that white evangelicals, who were 26 percent of total voters, rehashed their 2004 level of support for George W. Bush, supporting Romney by 79 percent to 21 percent. In 2004 white evangelicals were 23 percent of the electorate, sparking fears of impending theocracy by some on the Left.
    Exit polling revealed Protestants and other Christians (including evangelicals and Mainline Protestants of all races plus presumably Eastern Orthodox), who made up 53 percent of the electorate, voted 42 percent for Obama and 57 percent for Romney. A poll more strictly confined to Protestants shows they favored Romney 62 to 37 percent. White Protestant and other Christians, comprising 39 percent of the total, favored Romney 69 to 30 percent. Weekly Protestant church attenders favored Romney 70 percent to 29 percent.

    I was going to bring that up but couldn’t find any information on the entire internet. Everywhere I looked was about how Romney was evil and trying to buy the election.

    I am freaking done with google. All their results have been skewed and liberals have bought all the top links.


  156. Lily
    159 | November 18, 2012 8:51 pm

    @ Mars:

    Romney evil…obama good. That is so a$$-backwards makes my head hurt.


  157. darkwords
    160 | November 18, 2012 8:52 pm

    @ 147 brookly red:
    I’d find that amusing in a schadenfreude sort of way to learn of anonymous members suddenly becoming permanently anonymous. Perish the thought.


  158. Mars
    161 | November 18, 2012 8:55 pm

    Problem is you know damn well how the wons intelligence agencies would be ordered to respond. Mossad would be the bad guys and Anonymous would be protected.


  159. 162 | November 18, 2012 8:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Why isn’t this group considered a terrorist group? I hope the Mossad goes after them …I have no sympathy for them and they should be treated as an enemy.

    Speaking of which, anyone heard from Barrett Brown lately? He certainly shut the frak up when the Feds came calling…


  160. darkwords
    163 | November 18, 2012 8:58 pm

    @ 150 Mars: If mossad does that we’ll never hear about it. Anonymous will just die out as an organization. Morph into something with a different focus. All they need to do is spy on the router hardware and aggregate traffic. hire a couple of google engineers in Russia and it’s all worked out. Even a google alert on anonymous or a related area would be a dangerous thing for the actual perp to do. They would be wanting their friends to do that sort of thing for them. And then it gets complex and conflicting and easy to trip and fall on ones face.


  161. eaglesoars
    164 | November 18, 2012 8:58 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Barrett Brown

    who?


  162. darkwords
    165 | November 18, 2012 9:00 pm

    @ 161 Mars: I don’t think the Obama admin is competent enough to respond to an org like Mossad well. They don’t have the people connections.


  163. darkwords
    166 | November 18, 2012 9:01 pm

    @ 164 eaglesoars: Exactly! I see you know the drill. We don’t know Barrett Brown.


  164. Mars
    167 | November 18, 2012 9:04 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 150 Mars: If mossad does that we’ll never hear about it. Anonymous will just die out as an organization. Morph into something with a different focus. All they need to do is spy on the router hardware and aggregate traffic. hire a couple of google engineers in Russia and it’s all worked out. Even a google alert on anonymous or a related area would be a dangerous thing for the actual perp to do. They would be wanting their friends to do that sort of thing for them. And then it gets complex and conflicting and easy to trip and fall on ones face.

    I wish someone would. The scummy little bastards get off on destroying lives. As long as there’s no repercussions in real life. Keyboard anarchists make me sick.


  165. eaglesoars
    168 | November 18, 2012 9:07 pm

    Brown’s latest raid came after he posted a long and rambling YouTube video in which he talked about taking drugs (though not today, he noted) and about retaliating against an FBI Agent named Robert Smith after he learned that his mother might be hit with obstruction of justice charges. The threat of charges was apparently related to a laptop of Brown’s that he apparently hid.

    “So that’s why Robert Smith’s life is over,” Brown said in the video (beginning around minute 9:40). “When I say his life is over, I’m not saying I’m going to kill him, but I am going to ruin his life and look into his fucking kids. Because Aaron Barr did the same thing and he didn’t get raided for it. How do you like them apples?” he said, smiling.

    The video, titled “Why I’m Going to Destroy FBI Agent Robert Smith Part Three: Revenge of the Lithe” was accompanied by a note apparently posted by Brown that reads: “Send all info on Agent Robert Smith to barriticus@gmail.com so FBI can watch me look up his kids. It’s all legal, folks, Palantir chief counsel Matt Long already signed off on it when Themis planned worse.”

    I’m not providing a link. What an asshole


  166. Mars
    169 | November 18, 2012 9:11 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Brown’s latest raid came after he posted a long and rambling YouTube video in which he talked about taking drugs (though not today, he noted) and about retaliating against an FBI Agent named Robert Smith after he learned that his mother might be hit with obstruction of justice charges. The threat of charges was apparently related to a laptop of Brown’s that he apparently hid.
    “So that’s why Robert Smith’s life is over,” Brown said in the video (beginning around minute 9:40). “When I say his life is over, I’m not saying I’m going to kill him, but I am going to ruin his life and look into his fucking kids. Because Aaron Barr did the same thing and he didn’t get raided for it. How do you like them apples?” he said, smiling.
    The video, titled “Why I’m Going to Destroy FBI Agent Robert Smith Part Three: Revenge of the Lithe” was accompanied by a note apparently posted by Brown that reads: “Send all info on Agent Robert Smith to barriticus@gmail.com so FBI can watch me look up his kids. It’s all legal, folks, Palantir chief counsel Matt Long already signed off on it when Themis planned worse.”
    I’m not providing a link. What an asshole

    Standard petty manchild. Typical anonymous, also typical dem. entire life is about getting even.


  167. darkwords
    170 | November 18, 2012 9:12 pm

    @ 167 Mars:Modern power is going to be a government agency that can localize a problem and then globalize the analysis of it through multiple levels of electronic and social intelligence.

    Your starbucks card, your amazon order, your discussion groups, your work, your phone, your bills all get socialized and aggregated and tied together with intelligence of phone texts, conversations, observations.

    Or you won’t be able to get off the grid unless you move to Alaska.


  168. lobo91
    171 | November 18, 2012 9:12 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    And for some reason one thing keeps rising to the top…*obama cared more*.

    Or the inverse “Romney is out of touch with ordinary people’ — the same thing — expressed in positive terms for Obama, negative terms for Romney

    Remind me again which one of them travels in a convoy of armored vehicles and has guards carrying automatic weapons to keep those “ordinary people” at bay?


  169. Mars
    172 | November 18, 2012 9:13 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 167 Mars:Modern power is going to be a government agency that can localize a problem and then globalize the analysis of it through multiple levels of electronic and social intelligence.
    Your starbucks card, your amazon order, your discussion groups, your work, your phone, your bills all get socialized and aggregated and tied together with intelligence of phone texts, conversations, observations.
    Or you won’t be able to get off the grid unless you move to Alaska.

    Getting closer every day.


  170. Speranza
    173 | November 18, 2012 9:17 pm

    Cut the bull shit excuses and conspiracy theories -- we lost. You mean to tell me that the same Evangelicals who voted for McCain sat this one out after four years of the Marxist-in-chief because Romney was a Mormon (yet Obama was an Islamophile)? The problem was the image of the GOP was unfortunately linked to the Akin’s and Mourdock’s.


  171. eaglesoars
    174 | November 18, 2012 9:17 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Your starbucks card, your amazon order, your discussion groups, your work, your phone, your bills all get socialized and aggregated and tied together with intelligence of phone texts, conversations, observations.

    Years ago, there was a guy -- during the Bush 41 admin I think -- at the Pentagon -- by the name of Poindexter. Altho social media was nothing like it is now, he was pretty much working on the same thing. Massive data aggregation/analysis

    There was simply too much data. There still is. WaPo ran a series on all the integrated data collection the gov’t is doing since 9/11. It’s too much to analyze


  172. eaglesoars
    175 | November 18, 2012 9:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The problem was the image of the GOP was unfortunately linked framed to the Akin’s and Mourdock’s.

    (see my links above)


  173. lobo91
    176 | November 18, 2012 9:21 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    There was simply too much data. There still is. WaPo ran a series on all the integrated data collection the gov’t is doing since 9/11. It’s too much to analyze

    They’ve had that problem for quite awhile, actually, and it gets worse every day.

    Someday, though, they will get a handle on it, when the technology advances sufficiently. When they do, civil liberties as we know them will become non-existent.


  174. darkwords
    177 | November 18, 2012 9:21 pm

    @ 174 eaglesoars: The value today comes from creating tools that sift that data for you and produce the information you want. That is what Facebook and Google and Twitter are. Human productivity tools to sort the deluge of information being created. There is an information explosion.


  175. eaglesoars
    178 | November 18, 2012 9:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Someday, though, they will get a handle on it, when the technology advances sufficiently

    darkwords wrote:

    Human productivity tools to sort the deluge of information being created

    I wasn’t very clear. Humans have to ANALYZE it. Don’t worry -- it will get fucked up/not work


  176. darkwords
    179 | November 18, 2012 9:28 pm

    @ 178 eaglesoars: I see you have had a facebook account recently. ;-)


  177. lobo91
    180 | November 18, 2012 9:31 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Facebook and Twitter are a police state’s wet dream.

    No dictatorship in history has ever compiled as much information on its citizens as what Americans voluntarily post online.


  178. 181 | November 18, 2012 9:32 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    There in lies a factor too. Not only that you had a Catholic VP too.
    I haven’t asked the religious yet who and why but I certainly know certain segments of the Christian religions don’t care for Mormons or Catholic’s. This is sad…because they basically voted for an atheist who leans towards favoring Islam and has waged war on Christians and has a huge disdain for Jewish people. What in the hell were these people thinking?
    It isn’t MHO it is statically the truth look at the turn out numbers…
    Sorry didn’t mean to imply it was just your opinion…I know that a huge swath of the religious right stayed home and didn’t vote because Romney is Mormon. I just haven’t spoken to a person who stayed home for that reason. But I would have to look out of state for that. Here there where far more signs saying “We vote for Religious Freedom”. So where I lived Romney being a Mormon didn’t matter.

    What isn’t explained is why so many mormons stayed home.

    They didn’t. It’s vote fraud.


  179. Mars
    182 | November 18, 2012 9:33 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    There in lies a factor too. Not only that you had a Catholic VP too.
    I haven’t asked the religious yet who and why but I certainly know certain segments of the Christian religions don’t care for Mormons or Catholic’s. This is sad…because they basically voted for an atheist who leans towards favoring Islam and has waged war on Christians and has a huge disdain for Jewish people. What in the hell were these people thinking?
    It isn’t MHO it is statically the truth look at the turn out numbers…
    Sorry didn’t mean to imply it was just your opinion…I know that a huge swath of the religious right stayed home and didn’t vote because Romney is Mormon. I just haven’t spoken to a person who stayed home for that reason. But I would have to look out of state for that. Here there where far more signs saying “We vote for Religious Freedom”. So where I lived Romney being a Mormon didn’t matter.
    What isn’t explained is why so many mormons stayed home.

    They didn’t. It’s vote fraud.

    It’s only going to get worse. The dems will not stop until they find a way to steal every election down to the lowest position.


  180. eaglesoars
    183 | November 18, 2012 9:36 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 178 eaglesoars: I see you have had a facebook account recently.

    *snort*

    I turn off my cell phone most of the time.

    I think social media is a social curse. It encourages people to lose their sense of personal boundaries


  181. Mars
    184 | November 18, 2012 9:39 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 178 eaglesoars: I see you have had a facebook account recently.
    *snort*
    I turn off my cell phone most of the time.
    I think social media is a social curse. It encourages people to lose their sense of personal boundaries


  182. lobo91
    185 | November 18, 2012 9:40 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I think social media is a social curse. It encourages people to lose their sense of personal boundaries

    It’s the greatest invention ever for identity thieves.

    Or regular thieves.

    //Thanks for telling me that you’ll be out of town on vacation for the next week…


  183. eaglesoars
    186 | November 18, 2012 9:40 pm

    @ Mars:

    LOL!

    It’s a good thing I don’t have children. They’d be living like the freakin’ Amish and would hate me forever


  184. huckfunn
    187 | November 18, 2012 9:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s the greatest invention ever for identity thieves.

    Or regular thieves.

    I’m constantly amazed that people will give up their personal information to strangers when simply asked. When I go to get a haircut the first thing they ask is “can I get your phone number”. My response is “Sure, if I can get yours”. When they finally get it thru their thick skulls that I am not giving them my name, phone #, DOB and address to get a friggin haircut, they relent and somehow override their stupid system and I get a haircut. However, everyone else that comes in gives it all up without hesitation.


  185. lobo91
    188 | November 18, 2012 9:55 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    People wonder how their email gets hacked.

    Lets see…in 5 minutes, I can go on your Facebook page and learn the answers to every “secret question” your provider would have asked…


  186. huckfunn
    189 | November 18, 2012 10:00 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Heh. They won’t get much off of my Facebook page. However, I’m sorta in the “find people” bidness and Facebook is a good source.


  187. eaglesoars
    190 | November 18, 2012 10:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    People wonder how their email gets hacked.

    one of my email accts got hacked and I don’t have any facebook or anything -- how they figured out the pswd I don’t know


  188. Bumr50
    191 | November 18, 2012 10:08 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Now why didn’t I think of that back when I was single?


  189. lobo91
    192 | November 18, 2012 10:09 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Heh. They won’t get much off of my Facebook page. However, I’m sorta in the “find people” bidness and Facebook is a good source.

    No kidding.

    Let’s see…here’s a picture of your house, with the address visible…the license plate of your new car…your kids…your dog…your kids’ schools…their teachers’ names…your spouse…where both of you work…the coffee place you stop at every morning on the way to work…where you went on your last vacation…the dates you’ll be on vacation this year…

    People have no idea how much stuff they put out there.


  190. lobo91
    193 | November 18, 2012 10:12 pm

    Believe it or not, this morning’s YouTube sniping is still in progress, although with different participants.

    Did you know that Arabs and Jews lived side by side peacfully in the Middle East right up to the day when those evil Zionists stole the Palestinians’ land back in 1948?

    Me neither. Apparently, the reason I believe othewise is because I’ve been fed too much pro-Israel propaganda.

    //


  191. buzzsawmonkey
    194 | November 18, 2012 10:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Did you know that Arabs and Jews lived side by side peacfully in the Middle East right up to the day when those evil Zionists stole the Palestinians’ land back in 1948?

    Did you know that Jerusalem was a majority-Jewish city as far back as population records go under the Ottomans, and the only time east Jerusalem was “Arab” was during the 19 years of Jordanian occupation, when all the Jews living there were expelled or killed?

    Did you know that modern Jewish emigration to Israel began in the 1880s—more than sixty years before Israel became an independent nation?

    Did you know that the Jews who started communities in the land during that period purchased the land from the Arab owners?

    Did you know that there was not one year in that period prior to statehood when Jews living in the Land of Israel were not subjected to Arab violence?


  192. eaglesoars
    195 | November 18, 2012 10:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Did you know that modern Jewish emigration to Israel began in the 1880s

    Why? From where?

    Wasn’t there an Arab on Jew massacre in 1924?


  193. lobo91
    196 | November 18, 2012 10:27 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Now, now…we’re not supposed to reply with facts.

    It irritates the YouTube jihadists.


  194. buzzsawmonkey
    197 | November 18, 2012 10:32 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Why? From where?

    Wasn’t there an Arab on Jew massacre in 1924?

    The Hebron Massacre was in 1929. Hebron had been a largely-Jewish town since Biblical times.

    There were armed Arab attacks on Jewish settlements/towns from the beginning of the Jewish influx in the late 19th century. Every year; under the Ottomans, and under the British once the Ottoman Empire was broken up and the British took over the land under League of Nations mandate.

    Jews began to move into the Land of Israel in the late 1880s because they were being pushed out of Russia by the Czars; the Czars had a policy of “1/3 killed, 1/3 converted, 1/3 migration.” There was a proto-Zionist movement in the 1880s that started building agricultural settlements in the Land even before Theodore Herzl was inspired to start the formal Zionist movement in the 1890s as a response to the antisemitism he saw in France from the Dreyfus Affair. It was Herzl’s energy that really got migration going, but it had begun before he appeared on the scene.

    The notion that Israel arose from nothing following WWII is complete bullshit. Many of the towns and the businesses in Israel were founded before WWI; Tel Aviv, for that matter, was founded from nothing over 100 years ago.


  195. buzzsawmonkey
    198 | November 18, 2012 10:36 pm

    I would add that Israel, as a nation, is no more than 30 years younger than any other independent nation in the Middle East. All of the Middle Eastern countries—Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, etc.—were formed out of the corpse of the Ottoman Empire which was carved up in 1918. None of them were independent countries before then; indeed, I believe some of the Gulf states, Lebanon, and Yemen (which took over the British colony of Aden) are in fact younger than Israel.


  196. darkwords
    199 | November 18, 2012 10:36 pm

    @ 190 eaglesoars: It’s usually clicking on an ad that download some javascript that intercepts your next click to your online email account and presents a phishing site that looks just like it. Except for the url. It would be nice if comcast would just ban all web traffic to and from china.


  197. lobo91
    200 | November 18, 2012 10:42 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Kuwait became independent in 1961.


  198. eaglesoars
    201 | November 18, 2012 10:44 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Hebron had been a largely-Jewish town since Biblical times.

    Tomb of the Patriarchs, right? I know that much at least. Now for some reason I thought the migration from the old Russia started around the 1860s -- we were having our Civil War and they were having an upheavel about the serfs and the land. Or did it just take 20 yrs or so for the migration to actually start/become significant

    I always find it amusing that somehow there’s the Wailing Wall, the Tomb, etc., but Israel didn’t come into being until the 1940s

    I’m waiting for Bloomberg to return Manhatten to whatever tribe took the beads


  199. buzzsawmonkey
    202 | November 18, 2012 10:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Kuwait became independent in 1961.

    Precisely. The notion that Israel is some kind of latter-day interloper among a bunch of ancient nations is a load of crap.


  200. buzzsawmonkey
    203 | November 18, 2012 10:46 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Now for some reason I thought the migration from the old Russia started around the 1860s

    I’m sketchy on the history there, and I’ve got to sign off now—but google “First Aliyah.”


  201. eaglesoars
    204 | November 18, 2012 10:47 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 190 eaglesoars: It’s usually clicking on an ad that download some javascript that intercepts your next click to your online email account and presents a phishing site that looks just like it. Except for the url. It would be nice if comcast would just ban all web traffic to and from china.

    Thanks. I’m usually pretty disciplined about that but I guess I may have screwed up.


  202. eaglesoars
    205 | November 18, 2012 10:47 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Now for some reason I thought the migration from the old Russia started around the 1860s

    I’m sketchy on the history there, and I’ve got to sign off now—but google “First Aliyah.”

    Nite -- and will do


  203. huckfunn
    206 | November 18, 2012 10:48 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Hey Lobo. I just had an idea. Do you know what a petroleum landman is? We work for the oil and gas companies. They hire us to determine who owns the minerals under a given tract of land. We research the title to the tract of land, contact the mineral owners and then negotiate an oil and gas lease. It pays pretty well. Here’s a link with brief description. My son’s been up in Lamar for and has done real well. Check it out.


  204. darkwords
    207 | November 18, 2012 10:51 pm

    Dang this looks like it says Barett Brown is in Federal Custody on 3 felony counts. I never took him that seriously, he just seemed like a troll with a big imagination. But it looks like it was too big.


  205. lobo91
    208 | November 18, 2012 10:55 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Thanks. I’ll look into it.


  206. huckfunn
    209 | November 18, 2012 10:55 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Dang this looks like it says Barett Brown is in Federal Custody on 3 felony counts. I never took him that seriously, he just seemed like a troll with a big imagination. But it looks like it was too big.

    Yep; they popped him in Dallas a couple of months ago. I’m not sure if he was granted bail, or if so if he was able to raise the money.


  207. eaglesoars
    210 | November 18, 2012 10:55 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Threaten an FBI agent AND HIS FAMILY. Say goodbye to the world.


  208. lobo91
    211 | November 18, 2012 10:56 pm

    @ darkwords:

    FBI agents don’t like it when you threaten their families.


  209. huckfunn
    212 | November 18, 2012 10:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Thanks. I’ll look into it.

    I’ve been doing it for 33 years as an independent contractor. Lots of work in CO, WY, ND and MT. It’s an interesting field and pays well. My son’s making some very serious buck$ for a kid not yet 30.


  210. darkwords
    213 | November 18, 2012 11:07 pm

    @ 211 lobo91: He screwed up pretty bad there. Typical LGFer these days.


  211. eaglesoars
    214 | November 18, 2012 11:10 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Lots of work in CO, WY, ND and MT

    If I may ask -- what about Pennsylvania? (Marcellus shale)


  212. huckfunn
    215 | November 18, 2012 11:11 pm

    @ darkwords:
    Apparently he was tied in with those hackwads at Anonymous.


  213. huckfunn
    216 | November 18, 2012 11:14 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Lots of work in CO, WY, ND and MT

    If I may ask — what about Pennsylvania? (Marcellus shale)

    A lot of work in the Marcellus. My brother is headed up to Ohio after Thanksgiving.


  214. 217 | November 18, 2012 11:17 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I might check into that myself. :)


  215. eaglesoars
    218 | November 18, 2012 11:20 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Lots of work in CO, WY, ND and MT

    If I may ask — what about Pennsylvania? (Marcellus shale)

    A lot of work in the Marcellus. My brother is headed up to Ohio after Thanksgiving.

    I’m not sure why I think this, but for some reason I think I heard that w/in the last week it was announced that the Marcellus is MUCH larger than originally estimated.


  216. huckfunn
    219 | November 18, 2012 11:26 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    @ eaglesoars:
    Here are several maps of the Marcellus Shale play. As they get into the geology of all of the shale plays, they seem to get larger and they are finding additional productive sands.


  217. eaglesoars
    220 | November 18, 2012 11:37 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Holy crap Batman!

    I’m looking at SW Penna. I was born there and until I was 11 yrs old lived with some very poor people in the foothills of Appalachia. Long before LBJ’s ‘Great Society’. When I say ‘poor’ I mean tar-paper shacks and kids coming to school barefoot in the summer because they saved their shoes for the winter, hoping they didn’t grow out of them (with the nutrition, they probably didn’t)

    I’ve never heard of Hickory but I know Hopwood, Uniontown, etc.

    This could be a godsend.

    Almost midnite. Bedtime. Nite everyone.


  218. 221 | November 18, 2012 11:37 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I’m in Kansas now. Got a guy from church moving to PA though- upstate near Erie. His wife & kids are already there. I might shoot him that link because I think he’ll be job hunting once he gets there.


  219. huckfunn
    222 | November 18, 2012 11:45 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ mfhorn:
    Good luck with it. The Marcellus is hot. I’m all done for the day.

    G’nite.


Back to the Top

The Blogmocracy

website design was Built By David