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Barack Obama is still the amateur president

by Speranza ( 176 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Elections 2012, Politics, Republican Party at November 19th, 2012 - 8:00 am

The author makes a good point – Obama is a good campaigner but the minutiae of governing bores him. He would much prefer to govern by decree.

by Edward Klein

In the wake of Barack Obama’s victory at the polls, I’ve received a torrent of emails from liberal friends asking me how I can possibly stand by my characterization of the president as an amateur. After all, they say, Obama ran a masterful election campaign—conclusive proof that he’s a pro, not an amateur.

As usual, my liberal friends are conflating two different Obamas—the campaigner and the president—and in doing so, they are missing an important point. Obama has a political sense, but he lacks an executive sense. He is a happy warrior on the campaign trail, doing and saying whatever it takes to get elected, including lying shamelessly about his opponent. But when he leaves the hustings for the Oval Office, he becomes a different person, one who derives no joy from the cut and thrust of day-to-day politics and is inept in the arts of management and governance.

This explains the bullying, divisiveness, and extreme partisanship that have typified the operation of the White House since Obama took office. And it explains why, given Obama’s arrogance, his sense of superiority, and his air of haughtiness, his second term is likely to be a retread of his first. Tom Daschle, the former Democratic Senate majority leader and Obama confidant, put it best when he said: “Don’t expect a personality transplant with Obama.”

Coming off an ugly, divisive campaign, America is likely to get not just four more years of Obama, but four worse years. Obama won the election with fewer votes than in 2008. By any measure, it was a status quo election, and yet Obama is now facing a slew of problems that would test the mettle of a far more able chief executive—everything from the debacle in Benghazi and the Petraeus sex scandal to the fiscal cliff and the possibility of a double-dip recession.

What’s more, Obama is entering these dangerous times at the very moment when the team that put him in charge is breaking up. In the coming weeks, key members of his inner circle, including chief strategist David Axelrod, senior adviser David Plouffe and campaign manager Jim Messina, are all departing for the private sector. The only member of his consiglieri who will be back for a second term is Valerie Jarrett, a hard left-winger who is hardly known for her political perspicacity and the quality of her advice.

Because of Obama’s detached and impersonal leadership style, no one in Congress fears him, and the Republicans who control the House are unlikely to roll over and do his bidding. However, if Obama digs in his heels, refuses to compromise and work with the Republicans, goes over the head of Congress and takes his case to the public through a kind of permanent campaign, and then, after all that, fails to get his agenda through Congress, this country is headed for a very dismal next four years.

“Mr. Obama would be well advised to consider the history of these second terms,” historian John Steele Gordon wrote in the Wall Street Journal. “Its message is to beware of interpreting reelection as an invitation to overreach.”

That, however, is exactly what I expect Obama to do. Indeed, the president met this week with 11 leaders of liberal and labor groups and raised the possibility of a barnstorming tour. According to Neera Tanden, president of the far-left Center for American Progress, Obama discussed “going around the country to communicate to people what the choice is here. He feels very strongly that it will be a continuation of what the election was all about.” And Lee Saunders, the president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, said the coming months would amount to “another campaign.”

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“We can now see before us a persistent pattern of disregard for the powers of the legislative branch in favor of administrative decision-making without—and often in spite of—congressional action,” wrote Matthew Spalding of the Heritage Foundation. “This violates the spirit—and potentially the letter—of the Constitution’s separation of the legislative and executive powers of Congress and the President.” Or as the Wall Street Journal put it: “When Congress won’t do what [Obama] wants, he ignores it and acts anyway.”

That’s what’s in store for America for four worse years.

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  1. 1 | November 19, 2012 8:08 am

    Stuttering Clusterfuck Of A Miserable Failure.


  2. Storagemanager
    2 | November 19, 2012 8:28 am

    Vice-Jester

    Seeking to reassure victims of Hurricane Sandy following a tour of the damaged boardwalk in Seaside Heights, N.J., Vice President Joe Biden told residents Sunday that he spent a lot of time on the New Jersey shore while growing up and that they’ve got a “homeboy” in the White House who “gets it.” http://weaselzippers.us/


  3. Storagemanager
    3 | November 19, 2012 8:29 am

    CHRISTIE CLOWNS ON ‘SNL’ AS RESIDENTS SUFFER ..’I have three kids and we have no power, no heat, for 13 days now’…
    Sandy a super test for BloombergChristieCuomo… http://www.drudgereport.com/


  4. 4 | November 19, 2012 8:33 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    If a Republican called Obama a “homeboy” (“boy”!!!11ty!!), it’d be called RAAAAACIST. Fortunately, Joe the Biden is a Democrat. As Kleagle Robert Byrd proved conclusively, a Democrat can repeatedly use the N[word] and not be considered a racist.


  5. 5 | November 19, 2012 8:35 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Hey, Christie got exactly what he wanted out of Sandy. And the Presidential election. That motherfucker should be persona non grata from the Republican Party from here on out. As close as it was in the swing states, his kissie-face with Obama could have been the straw that tipped the election. Backstabbing bastard.


  6. citizen_q
    6 | November 19, 2012 8:36 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Stuttering Clusterfuck Of A Miserable Failure.

    I wouldn’t call him a failure, his true goals are a marxist / cloward-piven destruction and re-engineering of our country and society with a strong wiff of islam.

    He seems to be pretty successful at that IMHO.


  7. Storagemanager
    7 | November 19, 2012 8:37 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The Anti-President loves that kind of talk….anything that divides America is A-OK..


  8. citizen_q
    8 | November 19, 2012 8:38 am

    @ Storagemanager:
    @ Storagemanager:
    Let them eat cake!

    Christy is reaping the rewards toadying to the demonrats, he will go far. At least if and until he is in direct opposition to something important to them.


  9. Storagemanager
    9 | November 19, 2012 8:42 am

    They NEVER have anything positive to say….NEVER


  10. Storagemanager
    10 | November 19, 2012 8:47 am

    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan described Israel on Monday as a “terrorist state” in carrying out its bombardment of Gaza, underlining hostility for Ankara’s former ally since relations between them collapsed in 2010. http://www.todayszaman.com/news-298639-.html


  11. Storagemanager
    11 | November 19, 2012 8:47 am

    US Congress calls on Egypt, Turkey to help resolve Gaza conflict http://www.todayszaman.com/news-298626-us-congress-calls-on-egypt-turkey-to-help-resolve-gaza-conflict.html


  12. huckfunn
    12 | November 19, 2012 8:51 am

    This is weird. A screenshot of Obama’s desktop:


  13. ferb123
    13 | November 19, 2012 8:52 am

    Obama more popular than jesus christ :)

    http://www.thevoicemagazine.com/headline-news/headline-news/obama-more-popular-than-jesus-christ.html

    4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,
    4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,
    4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,
    4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears,4moreyears


  14. coldwarrior
    14 | November 19, 2012 8:54 am

    @ ferb123:

    yawn…john lennon said that first.

    can you please be a little more original instead of simply stealing ideas


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | November 19, 2012 8:56 am

    @ ferb123:

    oh hey, i’m interested in what is your economic plan to grow the economy and get us out of this crippling level of debt.


  16. Storagemanager
    16 | November 19, 2012 8:56 am

    State Dept. Official to Attend OIC Meeting Today on Banning ‘Defamation of Islam’…After the disaster of blaming a YouTube video for the Benghazi attack, Hillary Clinton is trying yet again to target American free speech. http://pjmedia.com/


  17. 17 | November 19, 2012 8:58 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    I hate that guy.


  18. 18 | November 19, 2012 8:59 am

    @ ferb123:

    He’s your god.


  19. Storagemanager
    19 | November 19, 2012 9:00 am

    Please make McCain shut up

    McCain: Send Bill Clinton to Negotiate Mideast Peace http://www.newsmax.com/


  20. buzzsawmonkey
    20 | November 19, 2012 9:01 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    State Dept. Official to Attend OIC Meeting Today on Banning ‘Defamation of Islam’…After the disaster of blaming a YouTube video for the Benghazi attack, Hillary Clinton is trying yet again to target American free speech. http://pjmedia.com/

    Allow me to point out, yet again, that the Islamist movement has hermit-crabbed the gay-rights movement—not only by adopting/adapting the gay-rights movement’s bogus “-ophobia” language, but by attacking free speech.

    The gay-rights movement has undermined First Amendment protections for decades by promoting the bogus concept of “hate speech”; the Islamist movement has taken that further with its decrying of “blasphemy” and “defamation of Islam.”


  21. 21 | November 19, 2012 9:03 am

    @ Rodan:

    I was going to say that. That is more than a little blasphemous. If Christins really were “just like the Taliban” I’d kill Ferb for blasphemy.


  22. Storagemanager
    22 | November 19, 2012 9:03 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Yup


  23. ferb123
    23 | November 19, 2012 9:04 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    He’s your god.

    nope. he is sent by god to defeat the evil GOP and save mankind
    ;)


  24. 24 | November 19, 2012 9:05 am

    @ ferb123:

    So tell me, Ferb, what is your plan for when America hits $21 trillion in National Debt at the end of Obama’s four more years? Default on the debt? What happens when China won’t loan us money for effectively 0% interest? If you think the Greek Collapse is bad, wait until you get what you think you want and America collapses.


  25. 25 | November 19, 2012 9:06 am

    @ ferb123:

    He’s not doing a good job of saving mankind. Look at the wars and economic crisis. Why do you Germans always like messianic leaders?


  26. 26 | November 19, 2012 9:07 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    State Dept. Official to Attend OIC Meeting Today on Banning ‘Defamation of Islam’…After the disaster of blaming a YouTube video for the Benghazi attack, Hillary Clinton is trying yet again to target American free speech. http://pjmedia.com/

    The OIC are the 57 States whose rights Obama respects. Remember, the future doesn’t belong to those who insult the Prophet of Islam…

    [/spit]


  27. 27 | November 19, 2012 9:07 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I was going to say that. That is more than a little blasphemous. If Christins really were “just like the Taliban” I’d kill Ferb for blasphemy.

    Obama is a man-god to the Progressives. They really believe he is a lightworker.


  28. coldwarrior
    28 | November 19, 2012 9:08 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Please make McCain shut up
    McCain: Send Bill Clinton to Negotiate Mideast Peace http://www.newsmax.com/

    i will give billy jeff one thing, he was able to get the good friday accords to stick. he did yeoman’s work in northern ireland.


  29. 29 | November 19, 2012 9:08 am

    @ Rodan:

    In all fairness to Ferb, he probably likes Stalin a lot more than Hitler…


  30. 30 | November 19, 2012 9:09 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    In all fairness to Ferb, he probably likes Stalin a lot more than Hitler…

    Probably, Stalin won the Progressive pissing match.


  31. buzzsawmonkey
    31 | November 19, 2012 9:09 am

    Rodan wrote:

    They really believe he is a lightworker.

    He is an extremely light worker: if he puts in two hours a day, that is unusual.


  32. 32 | November 19, 2012 9:10 am

    @ Rodan:

    And, like I said, that’s blasphemy. Because Christians don’t behead those who blaspheme our God, we get no respect from the Progressives. It is an attempt to get us to change our behavior, I suspect…


  33. huckfunn
    33 | November 19, 2012 9:10 am

    Check.it.out. The Thai prime minister is the babe-in-chief.


  34. buzzsawmonkey
    34 | November 19, 2012 9:10 am

    Rodan wrote:

    They really believe he is a lightworker.

    Whether or not he is light in the loafers, he is a light-working loafer.


  35. Guggi
    35 | November 19, 2012 9:10 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan described Israel on Monday as a “terrorist state” in carrying out its bombardment of Gaza

    Storagemanager wrote:

    US Congress calls on Egypt, Turkey to help resolve Gaza conflict

    Doesn’t make sense, does it ?


  36. Da_Beerfreak
    36 | November 19, 2012 9:11 am

    Fuck islam and the ferb123 it rode in on… :evil:


  37. Storagemanager
    37 | November 19, 2012 9:13 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    He’s your god.

    nope. he is sent by god to defeat the evil GOP and save mankind

    2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.


  38. 38 | November 19, 2012 9:14 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    :lol:


  39. ferb123
    39 | November 19, 2012 9:14 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    So tell me, Ferb, what is your plan for when America hits $21 trillion in National Debt at the end of Obama’s four more years? Default on the debt? What happens when China won’t loan us money for effectively 0% interest? If you think the Greek Collapse is bad, wait until you get what you think you want and America collapses.

    20% more tax for the rich
    20% more tax for the middle class
    20% more tax for the poor
    cut defensive spending by 50%
    cut social spending by 50%
    cut health care spending by 50%
    increase goverment fees by 300%
    sell Alaska to russia


  40. Guggi
    40 | November 19, 2012 9:15 am

    @ ferb123:

    ferbie, would you support a common health insurence EU wide and -- as a consequence -- would you like to pay much more for less offering in this health insurence (increased taxes) to pay for the health care in Greece, Portugal or Romania, to name only few ?


  41. huckfunn
    41 | November 19, 2012 9:16 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

    Obammy’s favorite scripture: John 8:12; “I am the lite of the world”…


  42. coldwarrior
    42 | November 19, 2012 9:17 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    20% more tax for the rich
    20% more tax for the middle class
    20% more tax for the poor
    cut defensive spending by 50%
    cut social spending by 50%
    cut health care spending by 50%
    increase goverment fees by 300%

    are a good start. maybe toss out 50% of the regulations that fedgov use as constraints against growth and ya might have something.

    the 50% cut in medicine aint gonna happen with obamacare….


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    43 | November 19, 2012 9:17 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    20% more tax for the rich
    20% more tax for the middle class
    20% more tax for the poor
    cut defensive spending by 50%
    cut social spending by 50%
    cut health care spending by 50%
    increase goverment fees by 300%
    sell Alaska to russia

    The poor don’t pay taxes: they’re poor.
    Cut health care spending? That means tossing out Obamacare.
    Selling Alaska to Russia is the suggestion of an idiot; are you not aware of the natural resources it contains?
    Increase government fees? Why, when you can decrease the government?


  44. 44 | November 19, 2012 9:19 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    20% more tax for the rich
    20% more tax for the middle class
    20% more tax for the poor
    cut defensive spending by 50%
    cut social spending by 50%
    cut health care spending by 50%
    increase goverment fees by 300%
    sell Alaska to russia

    At least you are honest in your desire to see America broken. The taxes alone would destroy the economy, as would the gutting of defense. Who knows< Obama might give you your wish on that, but he's going to keep borrowing money from the Chinese as long as they are willing to loan it. I figure that the Chinese figure that they are buying victory in the next Pacific War. As such, the Trillions invested in buying American debt are a good investment. It is terrible for the USA, though, and Obama is a traitor for doing it.


  45. ferb123
    45 | November 19, 2012 9:19 am

    Guggi wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    ferbie, would you support a common health insurence EU wide and — as a consequence — would you like to pay much more for less offering in this health insurence (increased taxes) to pay for the health care in Greece, Portugal or Romania, to name only few ?

    oh sure, I do. I also support world peace :)


  46. Storagemanager
    46 | November 19, 2012 9:20 am

    Where is my America? The nation of rugged individualists has ceded its position to those who embrace the command economy. Moreover, a failed record doesn’t mean very much when media panjandrums use barrels of print to boost the fortune of their desired candidates.

    Twenty three million Americans are searching for jobs. College graduates are perplexed about a future pay check. The administration lied about the murder of public officials in Benghazi. The poverty level in the country is unprecedently high. American prestige abroad is at an historic low. Obamacare -- designated to lower medical expenses -- has increased them. Most Americans, according to pollsters suggest the country is going in the wrong direction.

    Read more: Family Security Matters http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/where-is-my-america#ixzz2Cg72pELw
    Under Creative Commons License: Attribution


  47. Guggi
    47 | November 19, 2012 9:21 am

    Rodan wrote:

    . Why do you Germans always like messianic leaders?

    It’s in their blood. They love nothing more than dictatorship a “strong Führer”.


  48. 48 | November 19, 2012 9:21 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Cutting defense 50% would cripple our military, even if you were able to cut all the waste that you could. But I am sure Ferb sees that as a feature of his plan, and not a bug at all.


  49. Storagemanager
    49 | November 19, 2012 9:22 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama would have to first be an American to be a traitor…He is Muslim spy sent to kill America…


  50. buzzsawmonkey
    50 | November 19, 2012 9:23 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Where is my America?

    America is a Gulliver bound by Lilliputians.


  51. 51 | November 19, 2012 9:24 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Humans are spiritual creatures. By attacking Christianity, Progressives have created a void. Obama has filled that void and we are we witnessing is a quasi religion with Obama as some man-god savior.


  52. Storagemanager
    52 | November 19, 2012 9:25 am

    Hamas Interior Minister Boasts of Using Elderly and Children as Human Shields »

    “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children.”
    http://frontpagemag.com/


  53. 53 | November 19, 2012 9:25 am

    @ Guggi:

    Explains alot!


  54. 54 | November 19, 2012 9:26 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I believe he’s light between the heads as well.


  55. buzzsawmonkey
    55 | November 19, 2012 9:26 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Humans are spiritual creatures. By attacking Christianity, Progressives have created a void. Obama has filled that void and we are we witnessing is a quasi religion with Obama as some man-god savior.

    Progressivism is the Tower of Babel.

    The story of the Tower is the story of human pride believing that human endeavor can match the power of God.


  56. Storagemanager
    56 | November 19, 2012 9:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Humans are spiritual creatures. By attacking Christianity, Progressives have created a void. Obama has filled that void and we are we witnessing is a quasi religion with Obama as some man-god savior.

    from a Shiite text of the 17th century. The tradition comes fromBahar al-Anvar (meaning Oceans of Light) by Mullah Majlisi, a magnum opus in 132 volumes and the basis of modern Shiite Islam.

    According to the tradition, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib (the prophet’s cousin and son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a “tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West.” Commanding “the strongest army on earth,” the new ruler in the West will carry “a clear sign” from the third imam, whose name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: “Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us.”


  57. 57 | November 19, 2012 9:28 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    They want Death, then by all means, give them Death. Clean out Gaza, leave no one above the age of 12 alive. Adopt the kids out to be raised as Jews. That’d solve the Gaza problem.


  58. Guggi
    58 | November 19, 2012 9:29 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    oh sure, I do.

    Do you believe that most Germans/Austrians/Belgians/French etc. also would or do you believe their would be riots ?


  59. 59 | November 19, 2012 9:30 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    No wonder Iran feels emboldened. For Obama is with them. HE wants Iran to get nukes, and no doubt in the next four years they will get nukes if Israel doesn’t somehow stop them. I don’t think that short of ea nuclear first strike Israel can stop them. It is clear that Hussein has no intent of seriously impeding them.


  60. CynicalConservative
    60 | November 19, 2012 9:31 am

    I think this is a 100% Galt move (I work here).

    http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/11/intel_ceo_paul_otellini_will_r.html#incart_flyout_business

    /galt


  61. buzzsawmonkey
  62. 62 | November 19, 2012 9:32 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Wow!


  63. ferb123
    63 | November 19, 2012 9:33 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    They want Death, then by all means, give them Death. Clean out Gaza, leave no one above the age of 12 alive. Adopt the kids out to be raised as Jews. That’d solve the Gaza problem.

    Isnt it a little bit dangerous to let the kids under 12 alive?
    You know, when they grow up they will become terrorists.


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    64 | November 19, 2012 9:33 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    No wonder Iran feels emboldened. For Obama is with them. HE wants Iran to get nukes, and no doubt in the next four years they will get nukes if Israel doesn’t somehow stop them. I don’t think that short of ea nuclear first strike Israel can stop them. It is clear that Hussein has no intent of seriously impeding them.

    No, he wants to use the empty promise of protecting Israel from Iran’s nuclear weapons to force Israel to self-dismember for the Arabs, fully aware that if the Arabs don’t destroy the Israel he has thus weakened Iran will break its word and launch its weapons—at which he will cry crocodile tears and gleefully accept his second Peace Prize.


  65. ferb123
    65 | November 19, 2012 9:34 am

    Guggi wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    oh sure, I do.
    Do you believe that most Germans/Austrians/Belgians/French etc. also would or do you believe their would be riots ?

    oh sure they would. :)


  66. Speranza
    66 | November 19, 2012 9:35 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    CHRISTIE CLOWNS ON ‘SNL’ AS RESIDENTS SUFFER ..’I have three kids and we have no power, no heat, for 13 days now’…
    Sandy a super test for BloombergChristieCuomo… http://www.drudgereport.com/

    He is in mourning ever since twinkies went out of business last Friday.


  67. Storagemanager
    67 | November 19, 2012 9:35 am

    Breaking news…pledge of allegiance to be replaced with I want more!


  68. Speranza
    68 | November 19, 2012 9:36 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    If a Republican called Obama a “homeboy” (“boy”!!!11ty!!), it’d be called RAAAAACIST. Fortunately, Joe the Biden is a Democrat. As Kleagle Robert Byrd proved conclusively, a Democrat can repeatedly use the N[word] and not be considered a racist.

    Biden need to be in a straitjacket.


  69. 69 | November 19, 2012 9:36 am

    @ Iron Fist

    If Iran gets nukes, Pakistan will give them to their Sunni brothers in the emerging Caliphate (Egypt/Libya/Tunisia/Qatar/Saudi Arabia). This will open up a bigger can of words.


  70. 70 | November 19, 2012 9:36 am

    @ ferb123:

    12 is probably still reachable. Raise them as Jews, and they aren’t likely to be problems.


  71. buzzsawmonkey
    71 | November 19, 2012 9:37 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Biden need to be in a straitjacket.

    I’d settle for a big fat cork in his pie-hole.


  72. 72 | November 19, 2012 9:37 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    See my #69.


  73. theoutsider
    73 | November 19, 2012 9:37 am

    @ Rodan:
    What’s up Rodan? Where exactly are progressives attacking Christianity? It’s not happening. The only people that refer to President Obama as the Messiah or a Man-God, are on your side.


  74. Storagemanager
    74 | November 19, 2012 9:37 am

    Palestinian Islamic Jihad Official Brags, “All Our Weapons Are From Iran”… http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/19/palestinian-islamic-jihad-official-brags-all-our-weapons-are-from-iran/


  75. buzzsawmonkey
    75 | November 19, 2012 9:38 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    Where exactly are progressives attacking Christianity?

    Everywhere, from pillar to post.


  76. 76 | November 19, 2012 9:39 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    What’s up Rodan? Where exactly are progressives attacking Christianity? It’s not happening. The only people that refer to President Obama as the Messiah or a Man-God, are on your side.

    Good morning, I hope you had a good weekend.

    The Left has been mocking and attacking Christianity for the last 40 years. They make movies making Christians as evil, Comedians regularly degenerate Christians. Meanwhile, they kiss Islamic ass. Do you deny this?


  77. 77 | November 19, 2012 9:40 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    I read that because Hamas has turned on Iran over Syria is in the MB block, that Islamic Jihadi is now Iran’s client in Gaza. I also read that Libyan al-Qaeda are now in Gaza.


  78. buzzsawmonkey
    78 | November 19, 2012 9:40 am

    The reason Obama sat around with his thumbs up his ass during the Iranian “Green Revolution”—aside from looking forward to sniffing his thumbs afterwards—was to preserve his understanding with the mullahs regarding his running interference for their nuke program, and using the nukes, once achieved, to bully Israel.


  79. Guggi
    79 | November 19, 2012 9:41 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Cutting defense 50% would cripple our military, even if you were able to cut all the waste that you could. But I am sure Ferb sees that as a feature of his plan, and not a bug at all.

    Yep, destroy the super-power USA so that Europe (EU) can be the number 1 power in the world. Then they would have to increase their military budgets by some thousend percent, cut welfare and health care and send their youth into wars. The next ferbie will tell us: make swords into plowshares -- this starts the economy again because Germany and Russia have made such wonderful experiences with it (it nearly cost Russia it’s complete economy when then chancellor Kohl tricked Gorbatchev into this nonsense. One of the reasons why “Gorbie” was overthrown). This was the most stupid idea of the “peace movement” in the 1980′s.


  80. 80 | November 19, 2012 9:41 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, with Iran as a nuclear power, the proliferation genie comes out of the bottle. I’d also say that a regional nuclear war in th eMiddle East becomes inevitable. The Iranians won’t be content to sit on their newfound power. They are, and have always been, an expansionist power. Whether they give nukes to Hezbollah to use against Israel or do it themselves (the most likely scenario is a “warhead” delivered by ship to an Israeli or American port city), nukes will get used. And it’ll spread. You simply can’t keep a handle on it when it goes like that. It’ll make World War I look like a festive holiday party.


  81. Storagemanager
    81 | November 19, 2012 9:42 am

    Rival Palestinian factions Fatah and Hamas said on Monday they have decided to end years of infighting in a show of solidarity over the Gaza crisis, AFP news agency reported.

    “From here, we announce with other (factional) leaders, that we are ending the division,” senior Fatah official Jibril Rajoub told a crowd of about 1,000 who gathered for a demonstration in Ramallah, the West Bank’s political capital.

    Among those present at the rally were top members of Hamas’s leadership in the West Bank as well as senior officials from its smaller rival Islamic Jihad, the AFP correspondent said.

    Ramallah’s Manara Square was a sea of Palestinian flags as the crowd chanted “Unity!” and “Hit, hit Tel Aviv” in an appeal to Hamas militants who have fired at least five rockets at the coastal city since Thursday.

    “Whoever speaks about the division after today is a criminal,” top Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Ramahi told the crowd. http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/19/250449.html


  82. 82 | November 19, 2012 9:43 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Missed the taxpayer funded Piss Christ, did you? You are younger than I thought, then.


  83. 83 | November 19, 2012 9:44 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    It will be Iran/Hizballah vs. The MB Caliphate vs. Israel.


  84. 84 | November 19, 2012 9:44 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    How sweet!


  85. Speranza
    85 | November 19, 2012 9:45 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The reason Obama sat around with his thumbs up his ass during the Iranian “Green Revolution”—aside from looking forward to sniffing his thumbs afterwards—was to preserve his understanding with the mullahs regarding his running interference for their nuke program, and using the nukes, once achieved, to bully Israel.

    The reason he did nothing was because he is in sympathy with Islamic tyrants.


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | November 19, 2012 9:45 am

    Recognize Jordan as the only legitimate “Palestinian” Arab state. Relocate all “Palestinian” Arabs there.

    Give Arabia back to the Hashemites—they are originally from Mecca—and depose the brigands known as the “Saudi royal family.” The British Empire, which put them in power, is long defunct.

    Recognize that Israel has title to the West Bank and Gaza.

    Take out the Iranian nuclear program.

    Presto—peace in the Middle East.


  87. buzzsawmonkey
    87 | November 19, 2012 9:47 am

    Speranza wrote:

    The reason he did nothing was because he is in sympathy with Islamic tyrants.

    Only with some of them; he deposed Khadafy and Mubarak, remember.

    His objective is the destruction of Israel while maintaining plausible deniability.


  88. Storagemanager
    88 | November 19, 2012 9:47 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    It will be Iran/Hizballah vs. The MB Caliphate vs. Israel.

    They could unite and fight Israel as one.


  89. theoutsider
    89 | November 19, 2012 9:47 am

    @ Rodan:
    Did you see Bill Maher’s movie Religulous. He went after all religions, including Islam. He criticizes Islam, when it’s wrong. He allies himself with Salman Rushdie, Aayan Hirsi Ali, Christopher Hitchens, in that regard.


  90. 90 | November 19, 2012 9:48 am

    @ Speranza:

    He views them as a 3rd World Liberation movement.


  91. Storagemanager
    91 | November 19, 2012 9:49 am

    How bad the looming war will be, and how long it might go on, will depend not just on the fortunes of war but of diplomacy. An increasingly isolated Israel, unsure of its security, knowing it can depend only on itself, is bound to strike out alone at some point rather than wait any longer. Just as it has done in the past.

    The moral of the story: The surest road to war is to ignore threats to peace. And now these accumulating threats against Israeli civilians, and actual attacks, are about to bear the usual, bitter fruit of aggression too long ignored. Israeli tanks are already rolling into position. More rockets have fallen — on Ashkelon, Ashdod, Beersheba . . . The day’s news begins to read like the Book of Judges, full of war and rumors of war.

    It may be only a matter of days, maybe hours, before the dogs of war are unleashed. Havoc is about to ensue. And nobody has written the end of this tragedy. For we are only at the beginning of this act.
    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/greenberg111912.php3


  92. ferb123
    92 | November 19, 2012 9:49 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    12 is probably still reachable. Raise them as Jews, and they aren’t likely to be problems.

    Isnt it better to raise them as catholics in the US. So when they turn 18 then you will get some young GOP voters :)


  93. 93 | November 19, 2012 9:49 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    10 years ago, probably but not now. Syria has opened a big fault line. AT this point they hate teach other as much as they hate Non Muslims.


  94. 94 | November 19, 2012 9:51 am

    @ theoutsider:

    One movie and Maher is more vitriolic towards Christians on a daily basis than Islam. There is a double standard on the Left. You can deny all you want but it’s the truth.


  95. 95 | November 19, 2012 9:51 am

    @ Guggi:

    Yeah, if you destroy the US Navy (which Obama is well on his way to doing), then you go back to the pre-British Empire days on the high seas, because no one can fill that void. Right now Priacy is a plauge off the Horn of Africa. Destroy the US Navy, and piracy will be the growth industry on the high seas. Brilliant, if you want to destroy the globalized world economy, and get everyone back into little regional Third World trading blocks (to the extent that you actually have international trade, of course). Likewise, removing the US as the preiminent world super-power doesn’t mean peace breaks out. Quite the popposite, in fact. We go back to the model that we had prior to the United States establishing her dominance in World War Two, namely the late 19th and early 20th Century model of world power. The kind of thing that lead to World War I, but with regional nuclear powers, especially in the Mohammedan world.


  96. Speranza
    96 | November 19, 2012 9:53 am

    Happy Birthday “m”, you are treasured!!


  97. Speranza
    97 | November 19, 2012 9:55 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ theoutsider:
    One movie and Maher is more vitriolic towards Christians on a daily basis than Islam. There is a double standard on the Left. You can deny all you want but it’s the truth.

    He is afraid (and rightfully so) that Muslims will cut his head off.


  98. 98 | November 19, 2012 9:56 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Oh, the Mohammedans would still be killing each other, and they’d still want to kill Israelis and Americans, but it would be preferrable to what we have going on now. Everywhere else in the world, when people are displaced they are refugeeas for a little time, and then they are residents of somewhere else. Only with the so-called Palestinians has being a refugee became an inter-generational “struggle”. That needs to end. If they can’t live in peace side by side with the ISraelis (and they chave clearly demonstrated that they Can’t), then something needs to be done. I’d say the Palestinians would prefer transfer to Jordan above my rather harsher solution.


  99. Speranza
    99 | November 19, 2012 9:56 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    12 is probably still reachable. Raise them as Jews, and they aren’t likely to be problems.

    Isnt it better to raise them as catholics in the US. So when they turn 18 then you will get some young GOP voters

    We can get them early hooked on welfare and they would be natural Democrats.


  100. 100 | November 19, 2012 9:57 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    It just means other countries have to step up and defend their sea lanes. I am tired of other countries leeching off us. It’s time for others to man up. We should carve out a sphere of influence and tell the rest of the world to drop dead.


  101. 101 | November 19, 2012 9:58 am

    @ Speranza:

    Today’s M’s birthday? Happy Birthday, M!


  102. Storagemanager
    102 | November 19, 2012 10:00 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    It just means other countries have to step up and defend their sea lanes. I am tired of other countries leeching off us. It’s time for others to man up. We should carve out a sphere of influence and tell the rest of the world to drop dead.

    Obama is telling America to drop dead.


  103. theoutsider
    103 | November 19, 2012 10:00 am

    @ Rodan:
    You said that nobody has the guts to criticize Islam. You were wrong. Bill Maher does. Salman Rushdie does. Aayan Hirsi Ali does. Christopher Hitchens did until the day he died. All are progressives. Fundamentalist Christians obviously get criticized more in this country, because there are probably 50 million of them here. Fundamentalist Muslims in the USA don’t add up to squat.


  104. buzzsawmonkey
    104 | November 19, 2012 10:01 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I’d say the Palestinians would prefer transfer to Jordan above my rather harsher solution.

    I support the “Treif, Don’t Strafe” initiative: The “Palestinians” are given six months to relocate. They get $50,000 a head if they relocate in the first month; $40,000 a head the second month, $30,000 a head in the third month, etc.

    After six months, cropdust the West Bank with pig fat.


  105. 105 | November 19, 2012 10:01 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    What happens when those two ideologies collide? *popcorn time*


  106. Storagemanager
    106 | November 19, 2012 10:01 am

    In creepy mural, Obama looks like the Joker… http://www.drudgereport.com/


  107. ferb123
    107 | November 19, 2012 10:01 am

    Speranza wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    12 is probably still reachable. Raise them as Jews, and they aren’t likely to be problems.
    Isnt it better to raise them as catholics in the US. So when they turn 18 then you will get some young GOP voters

    We can get them early hooked on welfare and they would be natural Democrats.

    Give them a gun early and they would be natural Republicans ;)


  108. Speranza
    108 | November 19, 2012 10:01 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Today’s M’s birthday? Happy Birthday, M!

    Yes I always remember it because it is the anniversary of Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address.


  109. Speranza
    109 | November 19, 2012 10:02 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    Give them a gun early and they would be natural Republicans

    That’s right mother -- we protect our families when there is home break ins while you crap your pants.


  110. Guggi
    110 | November 19, 2012 10:03 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    oh sure they would.

    So, the GOP opposing Obamacare is evil but rioting would be the propper answer ? Would you support rioting to end Obamacare in the U.S.A. ?


  111. buzzsawmonkey
    111 | November 19, 2012 10:03 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    Fundamentalist Muslims in the USA don’t add up to squat.

    If fundamentalist Muslims were criticized by the media as much as the media promotes bogus “gay issues,” the criticism of fundamentalist Muslims would be non-stop—and rightly so. In the meantime, the media promotes the agenda of the gay lobby nonstop, despite the fact that it represents a group as insignificant in numbers as the fundamentalist Muslims.


  112. 112 | November 19, 2012 10:04 am

    Rodan wrote:

    It just means other countries have to step up and defend their sea lanes.

    That won’t happen, though. Historically, it hasn’t at any rate. The British Empire defended the sea lanes for a couple of hundred years, and then it fell to America. DO you really see the Europeans steppin up to the plate? None of them, not even Britain, has the sea power currently to do a tenth of what we do. They’d have to significantly gut their welfare state to have the money to build the Navy, and it’d take them 10-20 years to do it. China can’t do it, either, though they may have some ambitions along those lines in the world After America. They are a trading nation now, but again, it’ll take them 20 years to come up to speed. They sort of have one aircraft carrier now, but it isn’t anything on the scale of one of our battle groups, and you don’t really patrol the sea lanes with aircraft carriers. You need smaller vessels for that, lots of them. That is one of the things Obama is oing to us. He’s getting rid of the smaller vessels, leaving us some strategic assets, but crippling us tactically.


  113. Guggi
    113 | November 19, 2012 10:05 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    What’s up Rodan? Where exactly are progressives attacking Christianity? It’s not happening. The only people that refer to President Obama as the Messiah or a Man-God, are on your side.

    Nonsense. The leftwing media started to paint O. on their covers as Messiah (e.g. Newsweek)


  114. 114 | November 19, 2012 10:05 am

    @ theoutsider:

    That’s a crock. Many on the Left are openly allied with Islam. WHy is it when concern for Sharia law is raised, Progressives throw a fit?

    Bill Maher does. Salman Rushdie does. Aayan Hirsi Ali does. Christopher Hitchens did until the day he died.

    Bill Maher rarely does. The others you name were shunned by the rest of the Progressives. When Terry Jones trashes Islam, Progressives get up in arms. The truth is the Left is allied with Islam.


  115. ferb123
    115 | November 19, 2012 10:09 am

    Guggi wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    oh sure they would.
    So, the GOP opposing Obamacare is evil but rioting would be the propper answer ? Would you support rioting to end Obamacare in the U.S.A. ?

    Your question:
    Do you believe that most Germans/Austrians/Belgians/French etc. also would or do you believe their would be riots ?

    My answer:
    oh sure they would

    I didnt choose the riot option. :)


  116. Guggi
    116 | November 19, 2012 10:10 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    He criticizes Islam, when it’s wrong. He allies himself with Salman Rushdie, Aayan Hirsi Ali, Christopher Hitchens, in that regard.

    For how many minutes did he criticise Islam compared to Christianity ?


  117. Guggi
    117 | November 19, 2012 10:11 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    Isnt it better to raise them as catholics in the US. So when they turn 18 then you will get some young GOP voters

    Wouldn’t work, look in the mirror. Your parents may be reasonable people and look what they got ? An village idiot.


  118. 118 | November 19, 2012 10:11 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    That’s Europe and China’s problem. The US navy and armed forces are obligated to defend the Unites States, not the interests of the Chinese, Russians or Europeans.

    If nations want us to patrol their waters, we should charge a fee. I am sick of us being the world’s sucker.


  119. Guggi
    119 | November 19, 2012 10:13 am

    Speranza wrote:

    We can get them early hooked on welfare and they would be natural Democrats.

    …for generations.


  120. theoutsider
    120 | November 19, 2012 10:13 am

    @ Rodan:
    Name one person on the left openly allied with Islamic extremism? Name one person on the left that supports Sharia law?


  121. Storagemanager
    121 | November 19, 2012 10:15 am

    Obama dreams of being Ceasar

    During a lengthy speech at the University of Yangon in Burma, President Obama signaled the important traits of American democracy, particularly his limited powers as president.

    “As President, I cannot just impose my will on Congress — the Congress of the United States — even though sometimes I wish I could,” he stated. “The legislative branch has its own powers and its own prerogatives, and so they check my power and balance my power.”

    Obama also mentioned his responsibilities as Commander-In-Chief of the United States Military were limited by civilians.
    http://weaselzippers.us/


  122. ferb123
    122 | November 19, 2012 10:15 am

    Guggi wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    Isnt it better to raise them as catholics in the US. So when they turn 18 then you will get some young GOP voters
    Wouldn’t work, look in the mirror. Your parents may be reasonable people and look what they got ? An village idiot.

    so what is your proposal then? Raising them as jews?


  123. 123 | November 19, 2012 10:17 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    Raising them as jews?

    Why not? Your inner anti-Semite German is showing…


  124. Guggi
    124 | November 19, 2012 10:19 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    I didnt choose the riot option.

    So you would be perfectly ok with the decision to have a common healtcare insurence while increasing taxes in Germany/Austria/France/Belgium etc. to pay for health care in Greece, Romania (all the Sinties and Roma need insurence and hospitals don’t qualify for common standards), Portugal etc. ?

    If and I say IF you have in regular income (I doubt you have any income beside the money coming from your parents), would you like to increase your taxes say: 50 percent oder 70 percent to pay for it ?


  125. buzzsawmonkey
    125 | November 19, 2012 10:19 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    Name one person on the left openly allied with Islamic extremism?

    Medea Benjamin
    Jeremiah Wright
    Rashid Khalidi
    Bill Ayers
    Barack Obama
    Hillary Clinton


  126. ferb123
    126 | November 19, 2012 10:19 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    Raising them as jews?
    Why not? Your inner anti-Semite German is showing…

    But why raising them as jews would work and raising as catholics wouldnt?

    (Your inner anti-German is showing…)


  127. 127 | November 19, 2012 10:21 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Chris Matthews, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, the European Union, George Soros, The Daily Kos, The NY Times, MSNBC and many others.


  128. 128 | November 19, 2012 10:21 am

    Why a Third PArty is not the answer:

    Campaign Spot reader Michael writes in, having examined the claim of the missing Republican voters — the drop off from McCain’s 2008 total to Romney’s 2012. Immediately after the election, many were left incredulous in response to the apparent news that Romney received 3 million fewer votes than McCain did.

    As more and more states have counted their absentees and reported 100 percent of precincts, the numbers are less shocking. Michael points to Dave Leip’s Atlas of US Presidential elections and calculates the drop off is now only 479,000.*

    Most intriguingly, many of those missing McCain voters may have voted in 2012, but this time for the Libertarian Party nominee, Gary Johnson.

    From 2008 to 2012, those voting for the Democrat ticket dropped from 69.49 million to 63.16 million, a drop of 6.3 million.

    From 2008 to 2012, those voting for the Republican ticket dropped from 59.95 million to 59.47 million, a drop of just over 479,000.

    From 2008 to 2012, those voting for the Libertarian ticket increased from 523,433 to 1.22 million, a jump of just over 700,000.

    If this hypothesis is true, these “Libertarians” helped elect hard-Left Statist Barack Obaam to a second term. Way to go, guys! Simply put, a third party isn’t a sane option. All it does is guarantee the Democrats a lock on the Presidency. In the last 20 years, the Libertarians have elected 0 Congressmen and 0 Senators. Why would you expect them to be more successful at Presidential politics?


  129. 129 | November 19, 2012 10:22 am

    @ theoutsider:

    The BBC, The Guardian, Bill Clinton, Code Pink, OWS and Anonymous.


  130. buzzsawmonkey
    130 | November 19, 2012 10:23 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    Name one person on the left openly allied with Islamic extremism?

    II
    Juan Cole
    Samantha Power
    Huma Abedin
    Jim Moran
    Noam Chomsky
    Chris Hedges
    Alexander Cockburn
    Glenn Greenwald
    Robert Fisk
    George Galloway


  131. theoutsider
    131 | November 19, 2012 10:24 am

    @ Rodan:
    Are you really serious Rodan? I expected a lot better from you.


  132. 132 | November 19, 2012 10:24 am

    @ theoutsider:
    What’s a “Fundamentalist Christian” look like? I mean I know what other fundamentalist religous groups look like. I think it doesn’t mean what you think it means.


  133. 133 | November 19, 2012 10:25 am

    @ ferb123:

    They are going to beliving in the Jewish State. It makes no sense to bring them to America. And yeah, after the way Germany has repaid us for saving them from the Soviet Union, I don’t have much use for the Germans. I spent my youth living in nuclear targets so you people could want to bring my country down. DOn’t worry, though. We won’t save you from the Muslim Hoard that you have so thoughtlessly importe.


  134. ferb123
    134 | November 19, 2012 10:25 am

    Guggi wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    I didnt choose the riot option.
    So you would be perfectly ok with the decision to have a common healtcare insurence while increasing taxes in Germany/Austria/France/Belgium etc. to pay for health care in Greece, Romania (all the Sinties and Roma need insurence and hospitals don’t qualify for common standards), Portugal etc. ?
    If and I say IF you have in regular income (I doubt you have any income beside the money coming from your parents), would you like to increase your taxes say: 50 percent oder 70 percent to pay for it ?

    totally ok.
    (Of course I have no regular income, so it is totally ok to increase taxes by 50% or 70% percent, as far as they do not tax my 5 million dollar bet on Obama XDDDDDDD )


  135. 135 | November 19, 2012 10:25 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Republicans will need to address this.


  136. Guggi
    136 | November 19, 2012 10:25 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    so what is your proposal then? Raising them as jews?

    One first step could be to raise them as human not as splodydopes who kill people in buses, coffee shops or markets.

    Maybe we could raise them as Hindus and make Ghandis of them ?


  137. Buckeye Abroad
    137 | November 19, 2012 10:25 am

    You all do realize ferb is some only-child-teenage german punk getting his jollies winding you all up? Yes?


  138. Storagemanager
    138 | November 19, 2012 10:26 am

    Don’t forget Charles Johnson


  139. buzzsawmonkey
    139 | November 19, 2012 10:26 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Maybe we could raise them as Hindus and make Ghandis of them ?

    Gandhi was an antisemitic piece of shit, and a total crackpot.


  140. Guggi
    140 | November 19, 2012 10:27 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    (Your inner anti-German is showing…)

    With respect: I take an anti-German any day over an anti-Semite German like you.


  141. ferb123
    141 | November 19, 2012 10:28 am

    Guggi wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    so what is your proposal then? Raising them as jews?
    One first step could be to raise them as human not as splodydopes who kill people in buses, coffee shops or markets.
    Maybe we could raise them as Hindus and make Ghandis of them ?

    Och, I have a better proposal. Maybe it is better not to kill all people over 12 in Gaza as proposed by a user here.


  142. Guggi
    142 | November 19, 2012 10:29 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    as far as they do not tax my 5 million dollar bet on Obama XDDDDDDD

    They will taxe a lot more than 50 to 70 percent out for your O. bet :-P you Dolm.


  143. buzzsawmonkey
    143 | November 19, 2012 10:29 am

    @ ferb123:

    Why is that “better?”


  144. ferb123
    144 | November 19, 2012 10:30 am

    Guggi wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    (Your inner anti-German is showing…)
    With respect: I take an anti-German any day over an anti-Semite German like you.

    you are more anti-semite than me :P


  145. Guggi
    145 | November 19, 2012 10:30 am

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    You all do realize ferb is some only-child-teenage german punk getting his jollies winding you all up? Yes?

    Yep and his answers don’t make any sense. He is only here to stir sh*t.


  146. 146 | November 19, 2012 10:31 am

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    Of course! He is of marginal interest, but he does serve as a counterpoint for our readership.


  147. ferb123
    147 | November 19, 2012 10:32 am

    Guggi wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    as far as they do not tax my 5 million dollar bet on Obama XDDDDDDD
    They will taxe a lot more than 50 to 70 percent out for your O. bet you Dolm.

    oh,oh maybe I should invest in China ???


  148. Guggi
    148 | November 19, 2012 10:32 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    you are more anti-semite than me

    Oh yes, explain, you Ruabenzuzzler.


  149. 149 | November 19, 2012 10:32 am

    @ Rodan:
    Don’t forget CBC, “No One Is Illegal”, Most public unions and regular unions (I know how often the show up for anti-Israel protests here in Toronto), Queers Against Israel Apartheid, Not In Our Name (Jews against zionism)…. List goes on and on.


  150. 150 | November 19, 2012 10:33 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    It just means other countries have to step up and defend their sea lanes.
    That won’t happen, though. Historically, it hasn’t at any rate. The British Empire defended the sea lanes for a couple of hundred years, and then it fell to America. DO you really see the Europeans steppin up to the plate? None of them, not even Britain, has the sea power currently to do a tenth of what we do. They’d have to significantly gut their welfare state to have the money to build the Navy, and it’d take them 10-20 years to do it. China can’t do it, either, though they may have some ambitions along those lines in the world After America. They are a trading nation now, but again, it’ll take them 20 years to come up to speed. They sort of have one aircraft carrier now, but it isn’t anything on the scale of one of our battle groups, and you don’t really patrol the sea lanes with aircraft carriers. You need smaller vessels for that, lots of them. That is one of the things Obama is oing to us. He’s getting rid of the smaller vessels, leaving us some strategic assets, but crippling us tactically.

    Russia and China will HAVE to step up to the plate. It won’t take them that long if they put their minds to it.


  151. ferb123
    151 | November 19, 2012 10:34 am

    Guggi wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    you are more anti-semite than me
    Oh yes, explain, you Ruabenzuzzler.

    no explanation needed. Just my opinion :P


  152. 152 | November 19, 2012 10:34 am

    @ PaladinPhil:

    It’s a very long list.


  153. 153 | November 19, 2012 10:35 am

    @ ferb123:

    Maybe it would be better if the Mohammedans quit loving death so much, but that is far beyond my control. Because they do love death more than life, isn’t it kinder to give them what they desire, and get them out of the way so that the people who love life can actually live their lives? You know what would happen if the Mohammedans stopped trying to kill the Jews in Israel? Peace. But your sympathies are with the Mohammedans, a rather scary place for a German to be. No one is likely to forget you rhistory with the Jewish people, or not notice that the first time you have to show that you have different beliefs now, you side with the people who aim to complete the work of Adolf Hitler (their words).


  154. Guggi
    154 | November 19, 2012 10:36 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    oh,oh maybe I should invest in China ???

    Wouldn’t make any sense if you want the U.S.A. to be economically destroyed. If the U.S.A. are screwed China is screwed.


  155. Guggi
    155 | November 19, 2012 10:37 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    no explanation needed. Just my opinion

    You are a child molester. Nothing to explain, only my opinion.


  156. 156 | November 19, 2012 10:38 am

    1389AD wrote:

    Russia and China will HAVE to step up to the plate. It won’t take them that long if they put their minds to it.

    It would take a decade, minimum. They’d have to build sufficient capital ships before they could be taken seriously. Neither China nor Russia today can project any significant power without resorting to nuclear weapons, and as much as I admire the power of nukes, they aren’t weapons suited to pacifying pirates. No, if and when America collapses as a Naval power, the world will go through a transition, and it won’t be pleasant.


  157. Buckeye Abroad
    157 | November 19, 2012 10:38 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    Of course! He is of marginal interest, but he does serve as a counterpoint for our readership.

    Pearls before swine and all that. It’s your time he’s wasting, but it’s yours to give. Carry on.


  158. ferb123
    158 | November 19, 2012 10:41 am

    Guggi wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    oh,oh maybe I should invest in China ???
    Wouldn’t make any sense if you want the U.S.A. to be economically destroyed. If the U.S.A. are screwed China is screwed.

    Hmmm, ok. So short selling US stocks is maybe a good strategy?


  159. Guggi
    159 | November 19, 2012 10:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Not to forget the German genocide on the “Hereros” and the help they provided Ottomans during the genocide on the Armenians. Hitler once called the genocide on the Armenians the blue print for “the elemination of the Jews”.


  160. 160 | November 19, 2012 10:43 am

    @ Guggi:

    I think China anticipates losing all of the money that they are loaning America. They are buying the next Pacific War. China doesn’t care about the world shipping lanes. China’s strategic goals are to become a Regional Hegemon. They will likely be quite content to leave America as a regional power in the Western Hemisphere as long as we give them the East. We could divide up the world that way. It might suck for Russia, but Putin is more interested in Europe than Asia, so a tripartate deal could be struck. That’d suck fo rthe Europeans, but they really don’t bring anything but antipathy towards America to the table. Why should we resist Putin where Old Europe is concerned? And Obama has already sold out the Poles and Czechs.


  161. Storagemanager
    161 | November 19, 2012 10:43 am

    People closely tied to the Muslim Brotherhood have infiltrated the top levels of our government. Barack Hussein Obama has helped the Muslim Brotherhood exploit the “Arab Spring” to take control of Egypt, a former ally that continues to receive $billionsstolen from US taxpayers. http://ibloga.blogspot.com/


  162. buzzsawmonkey
    162 | November 19, 2012 10:45 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We could divide up the world that way. It might suck for Russia, but Putin is more interested in Europe than Asia, so a tripartate deal could be struck.

    Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia.


  163. 163 | November 19, 2012 10:47 am

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    I’m waiting on the kick-off for my next big project. That’ll consume the bulk of my time for the next six months when it gets here. I’m not stressed about Ferb. I really could give a rat’s ass what he thinks, though it is maybe somewhat instructive to see Leftist thought from Old Europe. I don’t know how representative he is of thought over there, though.


  164. Guggi
    164 | November 19, 2012 10:48 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The EU is spiraling into a recession again (has already started) and without the markets in the U.S.A. and EU China is nowhere. Africa is only a bónus for their exports and China’s economy is mainly build on exports.


  165. 165 | November 19, 2012 10:50 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia.

    More or less, yes. That leaves America a world power, though, so I don’t see Obama going for it. I am not content to see American power diminished, though it seems over 50% of my fellow citizens either have no problem with it or are too stupid to see Obama’s aims.


  166. 166 | November 19, 2012 10:53 am

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    You all do realize ferb is some only-child-teenage german punk getting his jollies winding you all up? Yes?

    He/She has the distinction of being one of the only people who brings absolutely nothing to the table, every post is designed exclusively to prompt a reaction-not to make any particular point. He/She has yet to ever make a coherent argument on any subject whatsoever. Every thread he/she infests becomes largely about responding to his/her inanities.

    It’s a waste on many levels; shooting fish in a barrel isn’t sport, it’s animal cruelty.

    Have a wonderful afternoon.


  167. 167 | November 19, 2012 10:58 am

    @ Guggi:

    Good point. I’m not so good on economics. I am mostly looking at the military situation. China can’t project power right now. She’s working towards that ability, and certainly may have it in the next 20 years, but right now she needs world stability and time to develop that capability. Militarily Russia is still a basket case, I reckon. About all you can say is that she’s in a better position than she was 20 years ago when the Wall fell. She, too, needs European markets for her oil and gas. The wild card in all of this is the Ummah. They are internally fractured, striving in disparate ways to become nuclear powers, but unlikely to otherwise be able to project power ever. Her imperialism is through exporting her people and their diabolic faith/ideology. Europe will more likely fall to them than any machination of Russia.


  168. 168 | November 19, 2012 11:03 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I have been advocating this now for years. I think the US, China, Russia and India should divide up the world into spheres of influence.


  169. 169 | November 19, 2012 11:09 am

    @ Rodan:

    It is one solution, if America is going to go into eclipse. We have only ourselves to blame for the eclipse, though. There is no reason we can’t remain the preimminent military power in the world indefinately, if we just but choose to grasp that sword. The voters in their infinite wisdom would rather have ObamaCare and collapse. As is, we’ll be where the Soviet Union was 20 years ago in about ten years. While the Soviets couldn’t keep up with out military buildup, though, we’ll have done it by demanding too much free shit from the Government. We’re not losing a war. We’re comitting suicide.


  170. lobo91
    170 | November 19, 2012 11:13 am

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ theoutsider:
    What’s a “Fundamentalist Christian” look like? I mean I know what other fundamentalist religous groups look like. I think it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    Reminds me of the idiot on YouTube yesterday who told me that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all essentially identical.


  171. 171 | November 19, 2012 11:16 am

    New Thread.


  172. 172 | November 19, 2012 11:17 am

    @ lobo91:

    Except for that loving death thing and the beheadings, stonings, whippings, amputations, and other sundary executions and wr-like behavior, Christianity and Judiasm are just like Islam. In other words, except for their core beliefs, ideology, and world view. All threee are monotheistic, though the Mohammedans worship a far different god. To an atheist, that is sufficiently similar to be “just alike”. I’ll bet your correspondent there thinks all black people are “just alike” too… :roll:


  173. lobo91
    173 | November 19, 2012 11:23 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    All threee are monotheistic, though the Mohammedans worship a far different god. To an atheist, that is sufficiently similar to be “just alike”. I’ll bet your correspondent there thinks all black people are “just alike” too…

    He also informed me that the Muslims consider “my Jesus” a prophet, as if that bolstered his case.

    I wonder if this moron was actually Bill Maher?


  174. 174 | November 19, 2012 11:27 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    We just need a sphere of influence that can provide friendly governments to our interests and resources for our economy.


  175. Buckeye Abroad
    175 | November 19, 2012 11:29 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    ..though it is maybe somewhat instructive to see Leftist thought from Old Europe. I don’t know how representative he is of thought over there, though.

    Thought? Heh. There isn’t much to challenge the rooted assumptions here. The left won the culture war a long time ago. The poltical, media and academic institutions are so firmly entrenched that there simply is no other side.


  176. 176 | November 19, 2012 11:37 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    You all do realize ferb is some only-child-teenage german punk getting his jollies winding you all up? Yes?

    He/She has the distinction of being one of the only people who brings absolutely nothing to the table, every post is designed exclusively to prompt a reaction-not to make any particular point. He/She has yet to ever make a coherent argument on any subject whatsoever. Every thread he/she infests becomes largely about responding to his/her inanities.
    It’s a waste on many levels; shooting fish in a barrel isn’t sport, it’s animal cruelty.
    Have a wonderful afternoon.

    Ferb is a troll, plain and simple. Eventually ferb will go away if we ignore him/her.


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