I noticed something as a youngster, that did not hit me until adulthood. I had friends both in high school and in college who were gifted cars by their parents, and I had friends who saved their own money and purchased their own vehicles. Those who were gifted cars, in general and by no means always, started off with nicer cars than those who bought their own. In general, and by no means always, those who purchased their own cars had nicer vehicles after one year had passed. The difference between the two groups was entirely found in the respect and care shown for the private property by the disparate groups. In those cars that were gifted, you would more often than not see vehicles that were knee deep in trash that bared the ubiquitous symbol of McDonald’s. In those cars that were earned, you would more often than not see the owners meticulously cleaning and polishing their possessions.
That is what our most recent Presidential Election represents. Those who were gifted the wealthiest society the world has ever seen, are not showing the same respect for what created that society as if they had produced that wealth themselves. This nation, represents the very first time in human history that the ordinary man has had the opportunity to traverse class lines, indeed as if those lines did not exist. Our society represents the first time in human history that the ordinary man was able to lay claim to the lion’s share of what ever he produced. What we see when people are voting themselves an ever increasing share of what is produced by others, and then claiming that it is what is owed them by an ever expanding centralized government behemoth, is the cannibalization of the wealth that was created by previous generations. We are able to have these discussions about free ponies for all basically because the perception that we as a society can now afford this is prevalent. That ability was literally gifted to us by previous generations who had the moral clarity to adhere to free market economics. Unfortunately, just like those beautiful new cars given to high school kids that ended up being rolling rust buckets knee deep in fast food garbage, that wealth is not divine providence, but something that can be destroyed.
This video is an hour long, and the Q and A video is another 40 minutes. I would submit to you that America is worth it. I would submit to you that our future is worth it. In this video, Bill Whittle does a terrific job in both explaining how many of us felt on November 7, 2012. He also describes with tremendous clarity how we can fix it, so that we can indeed win this fight that we are all of us committed to. Winning the political argument does not mean what it used to. Barack Obama won the Presidency and his second term without making any kind of political argument what so ever. He won the cultural battle. Andrew Breitbart understood this, and he was so popular on our side because he understood how to fight in that arena. It is something we had all better figure out, or this creeping Socialism will indeed destroy the greatest nation our world has ever known.
There has been much discussion about what we on the right side of the aisle had gotten wrong that we lost another election, and justifiably so. Finger pointing has been the order of the day, from Republican Party apparatchiks blaming the Conservatives that make up the base of the GOP to that base, who are tired of being the voting base of a political party that insists upon setting itself continually at odds with its own constituency. One point stands above all others in this video, and that is, Conservatism will not sell as a message when the person selling that message is not himself or herself buying into it, 100%. Mitt Romney would have been a great President, and quite honestly has the character and integrity that America needed this year. It did not matter that the Republican Candidate was actually Dudley Do-Right, literally a man without vice or sin. He was vilified by the opposition as an evil vulture circling the skies waiting for granny to be left without chaperon so that she might be pushed off of the nearest cliff. At some point in time, the values we put forward should reflect the values we actually have, and not be part of some campaign strategy designed for no other purpose than electoral success. Mitt Romney was foisted upon us by a GOP apparatus who insisted that an actual conservative has no chance for electoral success, ever. Losing by a closer margin is still losing. Since Ronald Reagan’s last election in 1984, we have not nominated a single conservative to be on the Republican ticket. Our results have been mixed at best, and a more apt description would be dismal. I believe the time has come to note that the experts are somewhat mistaken in the goofiness that they are attempting to sell us. Given his dismal record, there is no way that Barack Obama should be taking the oath of office for a second term this January, and yet, here we are again, soul searching in November, rather than gloating.
This video is a message of how we get ourselves gloating again, rather than preparing for life in a totalitarian society run by Socialist elites.
Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.
Easier said than done. We were just fighting amongst ourselves abotu this on the last thread. Point blank, how do you sell personal responsibility to an instant gratificatin culture? That is the real question fo rthe Republicans. Like it or not, there is a culture war going on, and righ tnow Obama is winning. We tried “It’s the Economy, Stupid” last time and came out looking stupid. Maybe we should have remembered that without Perot’s run for the Presidency, GHWB would have likely won re-election, too. We needed a serious contender from Obama’s Left for the Presidency, but Obama was never going to be prey to that. There was no way anyone serious from the Left would run against the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT.
My sons mom and I saved money to buy him a used car once he got a job. After the purchase I drilled him on the necessity to maintain it. He didn’t and blew the engine. So we bought him another one with the demand that he pay us back for the loan. He now takes care of this one.
I like your analogy. People who are gifted things they didn’t earn are taught that other peoples money is there to get the things they need. Once the lesson is learned that other peoples money may not be there will learn a hard lesson about responsibility for their own bones.
I’m glad my son ruined his first car in less than a year. He has now learned to work harder, and go to school, to pay for his own livelihood.
He still gets free food and room and board; but that will also change in time.
@ Iron Fist:
I’m not even sure what someone to Obama’s left would look like.
Angela Davis, maybe?
@ Iron Fist:
Maybe we sell freedom. Ever see the movie Demolition man.
this kind of thing is what we need to be doing!
After all, having us all sit around in beige pajamas eating our tasteless food pellets is what the future holds for us, should we neglect to take up this fight.
Geitner has been reading us. He agrees with me; print 1 quadrillion dollars and we have instant Utopia for all!
Ok, my mind is officially boggled. I was just listening to Fox News and they had some talking head that was supposedly a “leader” in the hispanic community. He said Romney was too hostile on immigration. They took offense at his comment that people here illegally should “self-deport”. So let me get this straight. Asking people who are here illegally to leave based on the honor system is too radical? Of course this same leader referred to the “extremists” in the party.
When did it become divisive to want people who have violated the law to leave?
Why is the hispanic community in favor of allowing people to break the law and steal their jobs?
How do we outreach to people that are this far off of normal human thought?
I agree the immigration system needs reformed, but who the hell rewrote the argument about immigration to mean the illegal immigrants are now just labeled immigrants as if they did everything by the book? Why are we allowing the language to be rewritten without a fight?
Everyone who starts an argument by saying we are anti-immigration should be punched in the face repeatedly for their straw man. Everyone who says we are trying to stop immigration needs punched repeatedly. Essentially I propose that liberals be punched repeatedly until they start using the language correctly.
@ Mars:
Stock up on ice for your hand first.
@ Flyovercountry:
The Freedom that the masses want is Freedom from Responsibility. That is what Obama sold this last election, and enough of the people bought it to get him through. True freedom means individual responsibility, and enough of the population wants to avoid that badly enough that they re-elected Obama when given a perfectly acceptable substitute. We can point fingers of blame all we want, but th emajority of the blame lies with the people who voted for this SCOAMF. We need to look at why they voted the way they did. We can’t compete with Obama on the Free Shit Front, though. I think these people will be starving in a decade to a decade and a half, but they neirther know nor care much about this. They want their free shit today, and to hell with the Country in ten years. I don’t know how you turn that around.
@ lobo91:
Use a claw hammer…
@ Iron Fist:
They bought that, because the Dims do a better job at dummying down the message to a slogan, catch phrase, or talking point, than we do. They have control of the culture, and let’s face it, being in the corner of the Bamster is thought of as cool. It’s just like life in High School, when the, “non conformists,” all ran around in their, “non conformist,” uniforms, which basically screamed, I’m a special education child and I ride the short bus to school. Being part of that crowd was seen as its own kind of cool.
At some point in time, we need to find a way to deliver that sort of style in our own way, making those principles of freedom being just as cool as they were when they helped to create this great nation. I was in High School when Reagan won in 1980, and guess what, he was considered way cool back then.
If you watch the video, and I would suggest doing so, Whittle also makes the point that we need to find a way to make the people who voted Obama suffer the consequences of an Obama victory. Today’s 20 somethings who thought it was cool to vote for Socialism will soon enough be a 30 something living in Mom’s basement. Will they cling to the same concepts of cool four or eight years from now?
We can still win back our country, and what’s more, we are morally required to do so, not so much for the kiddies that we leave behind, but for those who came before us and gave us this gift.
Iron Fist wrote:
It’s a slow process. The schools used to do a lot of it, because they taught short stories and poems that praised personal responsibility, facing your fears, and overcoming adversity—and the idea that even if you were defeated in an endeavor, you achieved a lesser victory because even if you failed you went down fighting. They taught the poem “Horatius at the Bridge,” where even the enemy grants Horatius a grudging respect for his fight. They taught “Barbara Frietchie,” they taught “The Man Without a Country.” They taught stories by Kipling and O. Henry and others which instilled such ideas; they had “If” framed on the wall next to posters which exhorted children as to how to behave properly.
None of this maintains in schoolrooms today. Parents have to start demanding that this sort of thing be re-inserted into the classroom, and teach and reinforce it at home.
Iron Fist wrote:
I think you sell it just like you sell it just like Apple sells it’s products; yeah, it’s going to cost you a bit more, but the overall quality and convenience is worth it -- that what private enterprise and capitalism is all about. Rodan has mentioned the 80s, when Republicanism was cool; we need to do a better job of illustrating the “quality of life” benefits of free-market capitalism. We also need to point out that Democrats’ vision is that of a rather dystopian, government-issue existence.
lobo91 wrote:
learn how to do this.
it works, mexican wrap
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
And that leads us to the first and most central problem: the parents have totally abdicated the responsibility for raising their children to the schools. I know my parents did, though not all my friends’ parents did. I had no real adult supervision after I turned about 14. My parents had work and other siblings to deal with, and I did well enough in school. The kids of my generation had kids, and did more of that, and now those kids are having kids, and parental responsibility is totally (or almost totally; you have the home schoolers and private schools out there) gone. For the parens to demand such things, they’d first have to realize that they were mising. Today’s parents grew up with “Susan has two mommies”, not stories of Leonidas’ 300.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
kipling is quite popular at he coldwarrior house
Iron Fist wrote:
They mull on labia instead of learning “Molon Labe.”
Flyovercountry wrote:
They will discover what the vote for O meant. And it will hit them hardest of all. The chickens voted for Colonel Sanders.
@ Flyovercountry:
The answer to those questions are yes, they will cling to those believes until Mom/Dad locks the damn door to the basement! Then the consequences of their action will punch them in the face! We as parents also have responsibilities!
Maybe this is what we need to do about immigration:
We, too, have a huge housing bubble we are trying to clean up after, and having someone buy a home indicates that they have some skin in the game of America not breaking down into a Third World hell-hole. No doubt it is better to import impoverished Somolis who can bring their vibrant culture into America undiluted with freedom or prosperity, but why not some wealthy Russkie ex-pats?
Something else that needs to be done, if the culture is to be re-taken: defend the Boy Scouts.
The Scouts are under relentless attack for insisting that there is no place for “openly gay” Scouts or Scoutmasters, and they are right to do so; the Scouts exist to provide a non-sexual environment, indeed, an environment where sexual impulses are sublimated into other, non-sexual activities.
It is the fact that the Scouts are resisting the over-sexualization and ubiquitous sexualization of the culture that drives the Left into a rage. While there are certainly instances of sexual abuse or misconduct in the Scouts, these things are not approved of—and, frankly, one of the things the Left hates about that is that very non-approval; does anyone really believe that Safe Fisting Czar Kevin Jennings and his ideological allies disapprove of the Scouts because of the isolated instances of sexual abuse? Heck, no—they object because it is disapproved of, and because they want to eliminate that disapproving ideology.
Iron Fist wrote:
That’s actually a brilliant idea.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2012/11/19/nbc-rino-demands-gop-abandon-conservative-principles-right-out-rush-li
About a dozen of these clowns have now started getting time on the networks the last couple days.
Hey! Easiest way to get a “republican” on television? Have them trash the Republicans.
bluliner10 wrote:
They’re going to be hitting their middle years when America hits the wall. What used to be their top-earning years. That won’t be much of a consolation for me, though. I’ll be nearing retirement age. If I were planning on fighting it out for dominance in a post-apocalyptic world, I’d have chosen to do it when I was younger…
Mars wrote:
That is how Meghan McCain got her gig. It certainly wasn’t fo rher intellect and, frankly, there are lots of women who’ve modeled for Playboy that have better boobs.
Mars wrote:
Of course; such frauds exist to fortify the Democrats’ trashing of the Republicans as “out of touch” or “wrong.”
I would love to get onto one of these shows to tell not only the RINOs but the Leftists why same-sex marriage is the wrong way to go.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
That would be beautiful. You do it very well. That’s why they’d never (not even Fox) have you on. They don’t want our side coming across as rational and mature, because they are neither rational nor mature. They’d pass you off as a “homophobe bigot”, it doesn’t matter what your credentials say, and they’d cut up whatever you said to make you look bad if they did let you on.
Iron Fist wrote:
I believe that was chris christy’s strategery of so sickeningly fellating obama.
@ citizen_q:
those would be mammoth moobs
@ citizen_q:
Well, he go tthe press, and may have tipped the election. We’ll never know the latter, but I doubt seriously that the base will ever forgive him for it. He might as well have said “Vote for Obama!” and been done with it. As far as I’m concerned he might as well become a Democrat, because I’ll never vote for the man for President. He couldn’t change his positions enough, and even if he could I couldn’t forgive his tacit endorsement of Obama when it counted.
Iron Fist wrote:
I won’t forgive him.
OTOH, he lost me on stands of being anti-2nd Amendment, and his support for islam and slamming of people who expressed legitimate concerns about one of muslim judges.
@ Iron Fist:
Why not some hard working White South African farmers
who are under threat of genocide in their own country?
citizen_q wrote:
And it did get him an invite to SNL! He’s in fatass heaven!
@ citizen_q:
PIMF, dagnabbit, my grammar is terrible. Instead of blaming work multi-tasking, today I will blame being the product of Southern MD publik schools.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
It’s bad in the GIRL Scouts too. If I had a daughter, she would NOT be joining
I’m talking Planned Parenthood, ‘reproductive rights’, etc.
citizen_q wrote:
And globular worming
@ citizen_q:
Oh, I agree. Christie isn’t a viable Presidential candidate. The people wh o think he is are really delusional. If he’s nominated, he’ll lose worse than Romney did.
@ The Osprey:
Works for me. OTOH, if I were them I’d be making my own plans to get out o fDodge. They’re in a losing position. The world may whine when Israel snuffs a few terrorists, but no one, I mean no one in the MFM or so-called intelligensia, will utter a peep when the white South Africans are exterminated. The best that they can hope for is exile abroad. I’d be looking at the US if they can get it, Canada, or Austrailia. Britain is just kicking the can down the road about 20 years. In 20 years large parts of Britain will be de facto Islamic colonies, complete with Shari’ia Law.
@ Tanker:
Too bad Springsteen did not do a cameo walk on. Christie might have lost it entirely.
@ eaglesoars:
Did not know he was a warmist.
@ Iron Fist
I wonder if the demonrats are cultivating another easy to defeat opponent.
@ Tanker:
Made me sick to see him telling jokes.
eaglesoars wrote:
Yes, my understanding is that the Girl Scouts went wombat a long time ago. The Boy Scouts are still holding the line, albeit tenuously; they’ve been under an attack led by Zach Wahls, the Eagle Scout Raised By Two Lesbian Moms. He’s sort of a Moonbat Mowgli.
The Osprey wrote:
bring ‘em!
@ citizen_q:
It wouldn’t be out of the question. Di dyou see the link I posted on the last thread about Jeb Bush and Christie supposedly being the “A List” for 2016? Neither of those candidates can win the general election. If the Republican Establishment forces either of them down our throats, they might as well conceed 2016 and be done with it.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Did he speak at the Democrat convention?
@ Iron Fist:
If Christie,Jeb, Santorum or Huckabee is the nominee, many will vote Libertarian. People are tired of Statists.
eaglesoars wrote:
He might have. I know that he argued for same-sex marriage before at least one state legislature, and is currently leading a petition drive against the Boy Scouts.
eaglesoars wrote:
Just Googled it. Yes, he did.
gotta go -chores
The RINOS are flooding the airwaves right now proclaiming that we lost because we haven’t gone far enough left yet.
@ Iron Fist:
This should be a warning sign for the republicans.
How Many 2008 McCain Voters Went Libertarian in 2012?
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/19/hostess-ceo-buyers-lining-up-for-our-brand/
Iron Fist wrote:
Have to agree with you here …obama ran on social issues and Romney tried to run on it’s the economy stupid..didn’t work. Whether we want to believe it or not social issues matter. Romney would have been a very good president instead Americans chose someone who they really don’t know. And if you try to tell them the truth they thinks it propaganda…the truth is lies and lies are the truth …this is the pathology that is going on. I don’t know what could have been done different. Running a more aggressive campaign? Already people and the media are screaming how negative Romney ran his campaign or they serious? Look what obama ran on, revenge, Big Bird, class warfare, racial warfare, war on women (which I don’t know how this actually worked there is no war on women), abortions, late-term abortions…I could go on. But dear heavens we have a problem in the United States we have lost our mooring concerning morals. When gay marriage and making weed legal is more of an issue than the high debt we are in as a nation is more important I don’t know what to say. We should not become the mirror of the enemy.
@ Iron Fist:
Sorry, no, I missed it. Who wrote it, Karl Rove? /
OTOH, wife 1.0 just walked by. Seems she has a new nickname for me that amuses her, Mr. Grumpy Pants. Sigh, I tell her try to working all the uncompensated over-time I have to and see if she maintains a PMA. I guess she is over me working 17 hours Saturday (much of waiting on others to do things in their area or responsibility) and missing her dinner party.
@ song_and_dance_man:
I got a car for graduation…but I had to pay the monthly note. My parents paid a down payment and the rest was me paying for my car.
Given that the current culture can be traced back to the 1950′s or 1960′s I would say that this approach will take a while.
Usually a culture change needs a set of “dislocating” events -- events to which the current culture is ill equipped to handle (or “locate”, thus dislocation).
I think in that regards introduction of police or nannny state appartchiks and gulags could be a possible one. Another is economic collapse.
What I am getting at is that synthesized cultures are very short lived (in relative terms). This has to be a “ground up” effort that siezes on the cognativ dissonance that will eventually happens when the butcher’s bill comes due for all of this intellectual laziness and profligacy.
@ Mars:
This is an issue that I have no answers to! For one Romney ran a negative campaign!!! How do you reach these people who are so out of touch with reality? There is no one certain answer. It’s a mixed soup of things. Not everyone who voted for obama wanted free stuff they saw obama as the more centrist of the two candidates…OMG really?
Yes this is true. They are buying hook, line and sinker all the lies and when the truth is exposed to them they think it’s lies…they chose a liar over someone who is truthful. Not to mention they even chose obama after they were told by the Catholic Church the man is a LIAR! A wolf in sheeps clothing. They chose obama over their belief system. Unreal.
Lily wrote:
Not negative enough, and not negative on the right issues.
@ unclassifiable:
Those dislocating events are coming. Card check is coming soon. After you need a union card to get a job, why not just roll the unions into one “national union”. FEMA camps is a good one, but what about failure to pay your health insurance tab (to the IRS).
Romney should have run an ad showing Big Bird eating a pile of tax dollars—then being shot and served up at a large, aggressively “multicultural” Thanksgiving table.
“When the government doesn’t eat our money, we all eat better—and have something to be truly thankful for.”
@ Lily:
I can explain why but I caught hell for it on the previous thread. I’ll email you later why people choose the Democrats over Obama.
Iron Fist wrote:
You are right we can point fingers all we want but the problem does lie with the people who voted for him the first time (this could be explained the first black president) but the second time is un-excusable. What has he done good for this country? Nothing he has divided it like no other. I could go on point by point on why some people voted for him …it runs the gamet and not all voted for the free stuff…it was obamacare…he cared more for the United States… he wasn’t radical like Romney…it’s insanity at it’s best.
Not to mention the media plays a huge part of this too.
bluliner10 wrote:
The IWW (Industrial Workers of the World, or “wobblies”) have advocated the One Big Union for 100 years. They’re based in Chicago, BTW.
bluliner10 wrote:
Sounds like another Progressive regime 80 years ago in Central Europe!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yep, but 90% of people I’ve talked to online said that Romney was negative. His campaign was angry and negative.
Over and over. Total break with reality. All because the press said so.
@ Lily:
He has the media behind him, that is the answer.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Worked for Hitler and for Lenin. Just convert workers to party members and voila! Brown shirts for everyone!
@ Mars:
That is the answer.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
What I’m trying to point out even if Romney ran a more negative campaign and even on the right issues it would not have sunk in to these people at all. They didn’t want to hear the truth..they believed the lies. Plain and simple. Woefully ignorant on so many issues it was unbelievable and when you confront them with those issues they twist themselves in knots to defend obama.
You’re lost, ultimately:
Poll: Americans have more faith in Democrats to pursue bipartisan solutions
Rodan wrote:
Excatly. It is mind-boggling how the people of this country believed the lies the media was putting out. Oh for sure there were many who noticed this..but far too many believed what the media was pushing and ignoring.
Frankly, had Romney’s ads been up to me, I’d have considered running some attack ads on Obama using all of the grossest racial stereotypes. Romney was slammed as a “racist” anyway. He might as well have done an ad showing Trumka bellowing union demands, and Obama saying, “Yas, boss.”
What was there to lose?
unclassifiable wrote:
So true! We all hear that there are those dealing with real pain, but until the real pain hits the masses we won’t see any changes, period. This means there may be blood in the streets (which I hope isn’t the case), but until the pain is no longer controlled with gov handouts the masses will keep driving us into the dark ages!
Rodan wrote:
Absolutely.
Mars wrote:
This is what I am hearing in person!!!!! Honestly the more and more I heard Romney talk…he was all about unity of this country and fiscal responsibility and pride in our country and our military. It fell on deaf ears…because the press said differently. If Romney would have really gone more negative then obama would have won in a landslide instead of a close race.
I’d also have done an ad that showed the flaming mayhem in Benghazi and Stevens’ body being carried through the streets, intercut with a picture of Obama snoring in bed with his Karl Marx teddy bear, then walking off of Air Force One with “Viva Las Vegas” in the background, cutting to the smoking ruins of the consulate.
Mars wrote:
Negative advertising, properly done, works on a subliminal level. People may say they dislike it, but it affects them anyway.
So you do it—and you go for the jugular at the subliminal level. They may say what they will, but if it’s done right you win.
Mars wrote:
Negative advertising, properly done, works on a subliminal level. People may say they dislike it, but it affects them anyway.
So you do it—and you go for the jugular at the subliminal level. They may say what they will, but if it’s done right you win.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Brother you are getting close. It was the moment of Romney’s big mistake. Debate number 2, the Benghazi challenge. Even with Crowley providing covering fires, Romney should have taken the moment to ask: Well, what did you do Mr President? That was the moment that Obama was on the ropes. He was prepared and still almost lost it. A couple probing questions to the response and the O would have gone ballistic and looked like a spoiled child.
Rodan wrote:
I didn’t read the last thread…but what I am hearing from people who voted for obama are the talking points of what the media was pushing…not to mention it is honestly cultish thinking concerning obama. I cannot understand this devotion to such a horrid man who doesn’t give a rip about Americans. The reasons for people voting for obama are not the ones I would have thought. It isn’t about free stuff…sure there were those that did vote for obama for free stuff..but that wasn’t the only reason.
Rodan wrote:
I didn’t read the last thread…but what I am hearing from people who voted for obama are the talking points of what the media was pushing…not to mention it is honestly cultish thinking concerning obama. I cannot understand this devotion to such a horrid man who doesn’t give a rip about Americans. The reasons for people voting for obama are not the ones I would have thought. It isn’t about free stuff…sure there were those that did vote for obama for free stuff..but that wasn’t the only reason.
Rodan wrote:
I didn’t read the last thread…but what I am hearing from people who voted for obama are the talking points of what the media was pushing…not to mention it is honestly cultish thinking concerning obama. I cannot understand this devotion to such a horrid man who doesn’t give a rip about Americans. The reasons for people voting for obama are not the ones I would have thought. It isn’t about free stuff…sure there were those that did vote for obama for free stuff..but that wasn’t the only reason.
Sorry about the duplicate. Don’t know how that happened.
Wow could someone fix that for me my post went 3 times there..sorry.
I’m having problems with the blog…I had to go to chrome to get back in.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Hey happened to me too…but mine went 3 times.
Mars wrote:
This is insane. So we go more leftist to win…sorry I can’t get behind this.
citizen_q wrote:
Same thing is happening with Mr. Grumpy Pants Lily… I know he is working grueling hours. The plant where he is working is running at high capacity.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
We should propose for a government grant to study how it happens
@ Lily:
Just curious, have you tried firefox?
It is what I use with no problems.
On a personal note, I try to avoid goggle products. They put so much effort into data mining users on-line activities. I guess everyone does, but since I have an android based cell phone, it amazed me how much.
bluliner10 wrote:
Ah but here is the rub. All these people who wanted obamacare do not believe there is going to be a health insurance tab paid to the IRS…that is Republican propaganda. Yep that is what we are dealing with …..people preferring to believe all the lies and just will not entertain the truth not one little bit.
You know what the Republicans should do?
Start buying ad time on TV about Benghazi.
Start buying ad time on TV about the fiscal cliff.
Start buying ad time on TV about Fast and Furious.
Start buying ad time on TV about the EPA.
et cetera.
Why the hell wait for four years of a stacked news cycle to hit back? Start getting the populace informed now.
…and, of course, start practicing propaganda in the real world now, so that two years from now, four years from now, the party has a running instead of a standing start.
Rodan wrote:
Yep and if they were told the truth and asked to look into it to see what really is going on …it’s Republican propaganda. Yep that’s the answer they will give you. I mean these runs through people of all sorts not just democrats…even some conservatives bought into this lie of a man.
Guggi wrote:
When in reality it’s obama who refuses to work with anyone. Unbelievable.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
How could he have known there wasn’t nothing left to lose until election day? Besides he ran on what is good for this country and apparently people don’t care what is good for this country.
Lily wrote:
What does reality have to do with anything?
@ Lily:
Not as long as they get their Obamaphone…
Lily wrote:
He was called a “racist” from the get-go. Once they started it, there were only three alternatives: deny it, which is never effective and looks weak; ignore it, which is never effective and looks weak; or say, “you want racism? I’ll give you racism!” and bring it on.
If people were really as racist as the Democrats believed, it would be effective. If the Democrats screamed bloody murder—as they would—mock the shit out of them, and make it plain that until Obama and his little attack dogs humbled themselves publicly in a way that he, Romney, decreed, the attack ads would get worse. Toure and Chris Matthews would have died of heart attacks by election day, so it would be win/win.
@ Lily:
I’m a systems administrator in a very large company. The job by it’s nature is demanding on time, since most shops are 24x7X365 affairs. It has become increasingly time demanding with continued layoffs while increasing server counts.
It is great to be working, but I have precious little time for things outside of work. At least my wife is supportive, and tries to make the best of things. She went to our dinner party Saturday without me.
Since I work from home, at least she knows I am not cheating on her!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
They should be buying news papers and local tv stations. That would be more effective.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
And that would have been met with “It’s like blaming Bush for 9/11!!!!”
Forget the fact we were the last flag standing, forget the fact that the embassy had asked repeatedly for more security and in fact had their security reduced, forget the fact this attack went on for over 7 hours and we had people in the area waiting for the “go ahead” but got three stand down orders. And if you do bring this up you know what they say, “There is no way of knowing what was going on or that this was going to happen!” It truly is unreal. And then if you mention they were watching this in real time in Washington, they say “You cannot know that!”
Actually, what the Republican party needs to do is get a team together to produce some latter-day “Looney Tunes” that feature a Bugs Bunny-type Republican besting Democrat Yosemite Sams and Daffy Ducks. Not using those characters, of course—but along those lines.
Buy three-minute TV slots and run the cartoons as ads. Put ‘em on YouTube. Get ‘em as viral as can be.
Properly done, it would be a game changer.
Rodan wrote:
Local TV, yes. Newspapers are a money loser. Of course, properly managed the money lost could be a tax writeoff if one had really big money.
@ citizen_q:
Not having any problems now. Don’t know what went on.
Lily wrote:
Doesn’t matter. What’s seen cannot be unseen—and they would have been playing catchup ball.
Haw! Gun club shoots down animal rights drone that was spying on them.
Well done, lads. 2 thumbs up.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yep and do like obama and make a movie about how horrible he handled Benghazi…
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
latter-day as in they choose who lives and who dies in foreign policy, health care and diplomatic service?
@ Lily:
They did blame Bush for 9/11, remember?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I for one would kill for day by day cartoon shorts.
Lily wrote:
We actually have some very talented documentary makers. We can outdo Michael (What the hell happened to Twinkies!) Moore on that front. Of course it would be hard to get the Hamas backing that Moore got for his propaganda.
@ huckfunn:
Maybe they’ll learn to stop flying it over private property.
lobo91 wrote:
Apparently 1/2 of this country isn’t all that into reality. I never have seen anything like it..nor have I seen the press so in the tub for a certain politician like they are for obama.
Just today the AP had a front page article in the newspaper..
ISRAEL STRIKES KILLS 11 IN GAZA, INCLUDING CHILDREN
Never mind the real truth that Israel is being attacked. It’s obscene.
http://visual.ly/top-20-countries-science
lobo91 wrote:
From some obama voters it wasn’t about the free stuff…obama was less radical than Romney and better for the country. Nope I am not kidding.
lobo91 wrote:
But officer… I thought it was an octopigeon.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
True. But I think he under-estimated exactly how out of touch 1/2 of Americans are.
Rodan wrote:
Conservative people in general should be buying up papers and local TV stations. Make it a big deal again about breaking stories about malfeasance done by politicians whether DNC or GOP.. someone, anyone out there must still have a back-bone to stand up with the truth. All I’m hearing are *crickets* though.
@ Iron Fist:
There is a South African expat working for the same company as I do. Great guy.
huckfunn wrote:
A animal rights drone? Your kidding me?
/yeah I know your not..but what the hell?
the GOP far right has a lunatic religious aspect to it that turns off plenty of conservative voters….gab all you want about how and why you lost the election, the god freaks got on national tv and chances to win faded away….altogether way too much religious influence…that’s fine with me but you’ll never win another election…get a grip, tone it down, and wipe that froth off your mouth…people don’t like that shit….hello?
lobo91 wrote:
Oh yes they did…the 9/11 truthers were insane and yes I came across one who was in his 20′s and this idiot starting screaming and cussing me out..yet my niece still married him. Truly ugly people those are.
Mars wrote:
Now even if it is made …will people believe it? Apparently 1/2 of Americans wouldn’t. They seem to be very allergic to the truth.
@ Lily:
How’s that working out?
@ Mars:
Raising stars *Pakistan and Iran* good grief.
heysoos wrote:
Oh yes the God freaks were the reason for this election being lost.
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@ Lily:
yup, you got it
lobo91 wrote:
Okay for now…they are expecting a baby. Now if he still believes the 9/ll truther crap I have no idea. Not to mention my niece call me a h8ter, racist and bigot. So she went to the dark side. I am not any of those names.
heysoos wrote:
Just because you have a really bad hard on for anyone believing in God doesn’t mean most people think like you. And no I didn’t mean it. Hence the sarc sign.
Lily wrote:
I looked up their website and sent them an email explaining how to field dress and cook an octopigeon.
heysoos wrote:
like i said:
the thumping is definitely one of the several reasons we lost. no one wants to hear fire and brimstone from a politician of all things! we have priests and rabbis for that.
the gop gets suckered into this trap every 2 years. we fell for it again…akin, &c
coldwarrior wrote:
Again 60% of those that are so turn off, side with the ‘Baalistinians’ We give up on principle there too?
@ huckfunn:
drone fricassee!
@ Lily:
predictable reply…it’s not about me, it’s about your party…how or why one believes in god should have nothing to do with national election…I don’t have a hard on against religious people, but the fact that you cannot see that underlines my point
@ huckfunn:
LOL!
@ heysoos:
Really I do believe you called most of us freaks for believing in God and no you don’t know me.
coldwarrior wrote:
The pelt will look really cool hanging over the fireplace.
@ Lily:
Akins and Santorum did damage, that is the truth. They gave the Media/Dems a club to hit the GOP over.
@ Lily:
We already have one party that declared itself to be anti-religion this summer. Do we need two?
@ Lily:
no, I called your politicians god freaks for trying, and failing to ride his glorious coat tails to victory….ain’t gonna happen…Christian America is one slice of the pie, not the total
@ heysoos:
By the way you don’t know what party I am … now do you? I have never said which party I belong to. But hey legal weed is way more important than the real issues.
I don’t believe in abortion. Especially not as a form of birth control. But I am ok if each woman makes her individual decision. If it’s my wife we would make a mutual well considered life decision that fits the marriage.
But then I also think the responsibility should be born wisely. Planned parenthood should be presenting the socon issues as something to consider. Anyone that wants to assist and educate should be able to present both sides.
lobo91 wrote:
Excatly.
Rodan wrote:
no shit…big damage and worse, they should have seen it coming the conceited asses
Greg Gutfeld is putting Twinkies into a blender.
This should be interesting…
waldensianspirit wrote:
keep getting suckered in.
we should have owned the senate by now.
can you tell me why we are still a minortiy in that body?
frankly, i get sick when i hear some politician going on about social issues, first, and i dont mean to be rude or make anyone angry, i frankly dont want to hear it from a protestant, ok. i am orthodox and have no time for the new fangled interpretations of christianity from some ‘evangelical’ politician…a politician of all things!
second, a politician of all things has ZERO standing in my eyes to lecture anyone about morality, they are by definition WHORES! now they are preaching whores? leave it at church and in yer own life candidates akin &c.
third, i’ll just stop right here before i really piss everyone off on this topic.
@ heysoos: I recognize that. But I also think judeo christian thouht is the foundation and bedrock of the country. It shouldn’t be so easily brushed aside. I think even an atheist should learn to appreciate that. Then let there be a different church on every block. Zero mosques. lol
huckfunn wrote:
it could get mounted like a deer rack!
i need to go shoot me a drone!
Rodan wrote:
I can agree with this…but they didn’t get the nomination. I think our morals have been thrown out the window and everything is okay no matter how bad it is. But that isn’t the reason why I voted against obama ..I voted against obama because he is a failure as a president.
@ coldwarrior:
@ heysoos:
I am starting to believe that people like Akins, Santorum and Huckabee are really false flag plants. They play the caricature of Conservatives the Left claims we are. They make us Christians look bad. That’s why I am really starting suspect those types and their agenda.
@ huckfunn:
This LOL-worthy indeed. And something we should all be thinking about learning how to do. There’s probably no legal downside to shooting down a drone being illegally operated by a non-State actor, but what happens if it’s the EPA flying a drone over your burning barrel?
Maybe we should find out what radio channels are commonly used for drones likely to be used against us by the Nanny State, and find ways to jam their signal. A strong carrier on the same, or adjacent channel, directed straight up from the ground might so overload the comms receiver in the drone that it couldn’t receive controller commands. A really, really strong signal might smoke the receiver. Drone ceases to be an asset if it can’t take orders, and will circle or cruise until it runs out of fuel and crashes.
@ darkwords:
LOL!
Now that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day!
Planned Parenthood is a business that earns hundreds of millions of dollars a year performing abortions. It’s why they exist.
Next you’re going to want KFC to start passing out PETA brochures…
heysoos wrote:
our self centered evangelical politicians fall for this every 2 years. they are betrayed by their egos…a sin in and of itself.
we should own the senate, we do not…why is that?
@ 137 Rodan: I think they should have their say. But I don’t think some of the issues they want national decisions on are national issues. I know santorum supporters who actively campaigned for Romney. I know a few who stayed home. The socon issues has a lot of fear built into it. Fear that we won’t and fear that we will. Compromise is needed. Compromise is not avoiding the voting process.
@ coldwarrior:
Actually you have a point. But obama pushing for the Church to allow gay marriage and their hospitals to fund abortions is going against freedom of religion.
As far as the preaching. Sure they don’t need to do that.
But it isn’t the reason Romney lost the election.
@ coldwarrior:
Don’t try cooking it, though. I’m pretty sure it’s mostly plastic.
@ darkwords:
Agreed, I think these should be local issues and nothing more.
@ 151 lobo91: Or PETA passing out KFC coupons as a sign of mutual tolerance and respect. lol
darkwords wrote:
there is a huge difference between what you said and preaching / proselytizing from the campaign stump.
every time i see a politician of all things opne their trap and start the morality speech i cringe. these are not priests and rabbis, they are flawed and often huge sinners in their own right.
i do not want to hear it from a
whorepolitician.@ coldwarrior:
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
I’m pretty sure that drones are classified as “varmints” so it’s always open season with no bag limits.
@ darkwords:
I am an atheist and I do appreciate that…but it loses elections that I’m interested in for other reasons….Congress is not a theology group and until the GOP figures that out, they will lose every time…it’s not my judgement of Christians, it’s my observation about politics…a notion that gets lost here most of the time….listen to Coldwarrior if you don’t trust me…he’s a man of faith that I trust and admire…listen to him
@ huckfunn:
You should do a post on that drone shoot down. It would be good for laughs!
lobo91 wrote:
ya can bread and deep fry that.
heysoos wrote:
It wasn’t as big a damage as you think. Freedom of religion. Whatever you think most of us are freaks anyway.
@ 149 Rodan: Faith has that effect. When I met someone of faith and they are into it I am personally impressed at who they are as a person usually. When I see the same faith insisting everyone else be the same, I see someone who is immature and doesn’t understand faith that well at all. A person of faith has to trust in their own personal example. Not in what they wish other people would think.
Rodan wrote:
maybe…I don’t instinctively reject any idea, but these hard core punchers turn people off…both Christians and progs…it’s not about god, it’s about debt and the sooner the GOP realizes they cannot dominate lifestyles, the better…do you want to win or not?
And the white washing of Petraeus begins:
Sorry, but he was a failure as Maj.Gen. in Mossul where he didn’t even try to solve the problems but only threw money after the rivaling what enabled them to arm them and after he had left vience broke out worse than before.
He was even more a failure as Lt.Gen. when he was responsible for the training and arming of the new Iraqi forces (WaPo article 2007):
Seems that while McChrystal had reached the top of the Bell curve in Afghanistan, Petraeus had reached it already in Mossul as Maj.General. He has never been a hero but a dazzler.
Wow…they finally figured out a way to shut Beckel up!
He drank Gutfeld’s entire Twinkie shake, which was made out of 4 Twinkies. Then he left the set in apparent distress.
huckfunn wrote:
like crows and groundhogs
Guggi wrote:
…threw money after the rivaling parties what enabled….
@ heysoos:
Last I looked Romney ran on it’s the economy stupid..didn’t work.
It’s Beginning to Look Like a Recession.
A little seasonal melody.
@ 160 heysoos: I’ll agree that we have to get tougher about elections. Focus on jobs, defense, and health. The old and retired should not have to worry and be able to talk. The young should be protected. The sick should be cared for. But all people in between should be working on personal responsibility. If someone thinks they are a victim, then tough shit to them. Give them an ax and tell them to chop wood til they are exhausted.
Lily wrote:
No, he was clearly trying to force us all to become Mormons.
He didn’t come right out and say it, but he was thinking it.
I’m sure of it.
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@ darkwords:
I am a person of faith, but I separate my religion and politics.If my religion gets under attacked, then I bring it in. I don’t want to impose my beliefs on others nor do nI want other to do to me.
@ lobo91:
Lily wrote:
you are a nice person and I like you, but you are dense…I specifically boxed in the nominees pursuing their agenda as opposed to typical Christiain voters…I never lumped anybody together
@ huckfunn:
You and me can buy some pretty cool remote-controlled flying machines right now, and for very little money. Little four-rotor helicopters with electric motors, that go zip, zip, all over the place, and bigger ones that can tote cameras, etc. That “drone” in the story you posted is nothing more than a big R/C model helicopter modified to carry a video cam and a transmitter for it. Probably any one of us could put together a duplicate in a few days for under a grand.
Anybody want to make book on when the first “murder-by-drone” takes place?
Rodan wrote:
I believe the same thing…problem is our religion did come under attack.
Lily wrote:
we dont own the senate why?
look at the last 2 senate cycles
romneuy gets hit because akin pops off about legitimate rape, he is running for a high end gop job, a national job…that gets hanged on all the gop at a national level.
it a one of the reasons for romneys loss
@ heysoos:
Then why say this:
but you are dense
@ lobo91:
hehe! He will be puttin’ it through the eye of a needle at 80 paces.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
There have already been at least a couple of plots uncovered where jihadi wannabes have planned just that.
For every extreme view on the right, there is a compliment on the left. One wonders why people are so afraid of socons and so accepting of people like Bill Ayers. Even Al Gore or Rev Wright. Why sweep concerns about them under the rug. A lot of it has to do with self hate. The progs can never stand things the way they are and need to destroy. Til they end up in the gutter and have no ability to create and build anymore. They consumed it all. No goodwill left. Then they want you to join them. It is a dark depravity of the heart that is a progressive. Disguised as candy.
@ heysoos:
Santorum, Huckabee and Akins are really Progressives. They pretend to be Conservatives by preaching Social Conservatism. But take a look at their economic ideas. They want to redistribute wealth in the name of the family. They want big brother state-family partnership.
There are plenty of people who are Socially Conservative and Economically Conservative. But people like Akins and Santorum are not even that.
heysoos wrote:
these are truly two separate topics.
i was also only refering to the politicians
@ 179 coldwarrior: I’d like to understand the logic of the GoP that let the Democrats run and conclude that GoP primary in Missouri.
heysoos wrote:
these are truly two separate topics.
i was also only referring to the politicians
@ coldwarrior:
And the democrats can say anything and get away with it. There are so many reasons Romney lost. IMHO. I don’t think the sole reason is religious fanatics. Sure it didn’t help. The media is a problem and so are stupid people saying stupid things like that.
darkwords wrote:
Excellent point. Somebody like Ayers, who clearly hates the country and most of the people in it, “doesn’t really mean what he says,” and the fact that Obama hung with him for years and started his political career with Ayers’ help “doesn’t mean anything.” But let somebody make a single stupid comment about “legitimate rape” and people are soiling their drawers left and right.
@ Lily:
It did, but people like Santorum did not ehlp our cause. the BS spewed by Santorum and Akins gave Obama a pass.
That said, the media is the problem and I can’t repeat myself enough on this point.
heysoos wrote:
What are these?
@ darkwords:
And we all know where that leads:
Rodan wrote:
right, it seems pretty obvious that politics and religion cannot mix…look at the ME
Lily wrote:
as i said…ONE of the reasons romney lost.
akin should have stepped down, his pride got in the way.
and i re-iterate, i dont want to hear preaching from a politician. its is sleazy at best, a sin at worst.
Rodan wrote:
I’ll work on that after the news and supper.
@ 184 Rodan: some of that is faith training. Huckabee let a murderer out of jail early in his state as an act of Christian grace. The person ended up killing 4 cops in Wa State. Huckabee would break bread with the Taliban. As would Chris Christie. We have to have some boundaries.
@ darkwords:
i dont care about the left.
i can only care and have influence on my side.
Lily wrote:
i dont care about the dems…i only care about my side.
@ Rodan:
The media is a huge problem.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
millions of conservatives that disdain having to vote on religious principle…they get herded this way and that until they become so apathetic, they just don’t vote….I know plenty of them, that’s my take
Rodan wrote:
progressives with bibles instead of progressives with das kapital.
same end result, bigger govt and less freedom
darkwords wrote:
seriously great question.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
the 800 lb gorilla…
the media….
heysoos wrote:
I don’t understand you. Are you saying the “typical Christian voter” will not vote on religious principle?
That they do vote on religious principle, but for some reason resent doing so?
That they will not vote, on principle, for someone who admits to being religious?
Please clarify.
coldwarrior wrote:
conservatives are lazy…those nutters should have been instantly rejected by the GOP…but they got on tv and boom…the rest is history
heysoos wrote:
I don’t any of these types of people to be honest. We aren’t sheep.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
there is a huge difference between a politician who is religious and a politician who preaches…the first is no problem, the second is a problem for reasons stated above.
i seriously hate hearing the morality / preaching form a damnable politician of all things…it is almost surreal when it happens.
@ coldwarrior:
The best part is when they get caught with Meth hookers!
coldwarrior wrote:
I can agree with you here.
I think a person of great faith needs no political power. Power comes to that person naturally. That person learned to be a greater person absent the logical trappings of wealth and fame. Wealth and fame probably tested them greatly also. A person like that has some wisdom in them. I see that in some Popes and Rabbis. Power is always corrupting. It takes a great faith in a country like America to trust the voters that they will make the best decision possible. It’s one reason 100 percent of the people should be confident in our election process.
No voter suppression. No voter fraud.
coldwarrior wrote:
I don’t disagree with you. I’m just trying to find out heysoos’ position.
@ darkwords:
Huckabee is a Christian Socialist, yet he probably has a good shot at winning the GOP nod in 2016. Look at how many Conservative adore The Bushes because Poppy and W threw them red meat. Yet they are Big Government Islamic loving Progressives.
pretty much all socon issues need to be settled at the state level.
these are 10th amendment items. leave it up to the states
@ coldwarrior:
They are the heirs of Williams Jennings Bryan.
@ coldwarrior:
The sad part is many Republicans only like the 10th Amendment when its convenient.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
the voter I’m talking about has their own skin in the game…economics, not issues that don’t concern them…when forced to dig in and take sides on social issues they fold…there are plenty of conservatives that will consider abortion due to circumstance and when their nominees tell them how evil they are they simply go away…nothing is all of something….political sides are not monolithic or perfect…there are two levels of government and if the GOP wants to win, then stick to the economy and security
Rodan wrote:
i do enjoy the fall of the preachifying
politicianwhoreRodan wrote:
yep.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
my position is not always articulated as well as others…when an issue interests me I try
Rodan wrote:
wow, no kidding on that one right there!
heysoos wrote:
Like we did this election? And tell me, how did that work out?
Also good to bear in mind that the GOP didn’t lose by all that much. Take away O’s affirmative action halo effect and it’s a whole ‘nother ball game.
@ coldwarrior:
That said, the Cross of Gold speech was probably the greatest ever given.
Rodan wrote:
absolutely brilliant peace or oratory.
Iron Fist wrote:
as for me, I think the election was stolen…there is a possibility of dumping socon issues to win back the GOP…but I doubt they will take that tack….what else is there to run on that can win?
darkwords wrote:
Voter suppression is a Democrat talking point with no actual incidents occuring. Unless you count suppressing illegal votes, and if you do then I disagree with you strongly. No illegal vote should count, and thiose that try to cast them should go to PRISON for a very long time.
@ Iron Fist:
Nah, Stout hemp Rope!
heysoos wrote:
What about like running a real Conservative? YOu know, like Reagan? For all Rodan likes to talk about him, Reagan was a dreaded So-Con.
Iron Fist wrote:
we THOUGHT we did, but the message didnt get out, did it?
as long as the media is in the tank, we have to play perfect football.
Moe Katz wrote:
That is true, too, but if the Dems run Hillary next, they’ll claim you can’t talk bad about her because she’s a Lady. Like Obama is doing Susan Rice, in fact. I think the Dems will run some kind of minority in 2016. They practically brag about not being the White Man’s Party anymore. Whomever they run, they’ll try to be able to shield them from legitimate criticism by claiming that the critic is a bigot.
@ Iron Fist:
They are planning to run Deval Patrick. Hey it worked with one Black Leftist, it can work with both. Axelrod is Patrick’s consultant.
I think it was Carolina Girl a few days ago, suggested that Bain buy Hostess and run it up for a profit without the unions…utterly brilliant idea, and I’d have my scouts out looking for other union businesses to break…if the GOP needs a message, it’s right there to exploit
@ Iron Fist:
reagan was at best mixed on the socon thing.
coldwarrior wrote:
It’s always been that way, though, more or less. Look at how the media played the recession under GHW Bush. It was a mild and minor recession, but the Media playedit as the second coming of the Depression. Still, Bush would have likely won without the Perot effect, and that was really his own fault. He pissed in the face of the base so hard they left rather than vote for him. You have to hold your base to win election. If you don’t hold your base, you can’t draw enough from the squishy middle to win.
Iron Fist wrote:
because times changed a hundred years in ten…there is no ‘real conservative’ by his measure…forge ahead mate, or swim
@ coldwarrior:
I like your analogy…I think like that as well…4th and goal…shit like that…it’s a great reflection of reality
coldwarrior wrote:
Obama began buying votes with future yet-to-be-born taxpayer’s money the day he took office. While these voters were there voting for him they select ‘All Democrat” vote.
Thus he got the Senate too
heysoos wrote:
Most people, as Romney found out to his cost, do not merely vote their pocketbooks. Obama’s voters voted their pocketbooks and their genitals, or their skin color—freebies and ethnic or sexual identity (or hate of another identity other than theirs, or both).
It is possible to phrase a reply to a loaded question in ways which are true to one’s own position yet throw things back on the questioner. If, for instance, asked about “a woman’s right to choose”—which means broad availability of publicly-funded abortions—it is possible to say, “I believe that abortion is a personal choice. Because it is a personal choice, government should not be involved in it, because government should not be in the bedroom. If someone wants to make that personal choice, they should pay for it with their own money—because personal choices should always be made with one’s own personal money. Nobody should expect the government to fund their choices.”
I realize that the above will not satisfy those who would like to see all abortions outlawed. But my point here is that an answer such as the one I have just suggested tosses back the question; it doesn’t come out against abortion (“War on Women!!!”), but rather takes the issue where it should be, at this point—i.e., who pays for personal choices?
an interesting article:
As far as the economy? Instead of voting to be better off in 4 years they voted for people they hate to be worse off and for redistribution even if it means less quality of life for themselves
Less quality means less work and they like that
@ coldwarrior:
Why is it that the people who protest the So-Cons always bring up the school prayer thing? Before atheists objected, who did a non-sectarian prayer at the beginning of the school day harm? Were the atheists really harmed by it? They weren’t required to pray if they chose not to. I am beyond tired of the people that protest at any sign of public religion. The Constitution says no Establishment, but that is talking about an Official Church of the United States, the way there is an officila Church of England. The Constitution also prohibits the State preventing the Free Exercise of Religion, and a prayer at school is a free exercise of religion. Get rid of an activist Court, and there is no need of a Constitutional Amendment permitting school prayer. Perhaps that is why Reagan never supported one. Be that as it may, school prayer is a minor issue, really. Abortion is the 800 pound gorilla in the room, and Reagan was pro-life. That makes him a So-Con. After all, you don’t really distinguish between a social conservative such as myself who would mostly leave it to the States except for late term abortions and someone who believes that there should be a Constitutional Amendment bringing American law into conformaty with that of Ireland. So-Con bad, why? Romney didn’t lose on So-Con issues, and, indeed, might have picked up votes if he hadn’t been so pro-abortion in his career in Massachusetts. Enough to win? Probably not. The issue didn’t hurt him among Evangelicals by and large, but it may have troubled those who saw Romney as a flip-flopper with little moral center.
waldensianspirit wrote:
We shouldn’t really be surprised. They did the same thing in California by electing Brown again. The French elected a socialist who campaigned on enacting a 75% tax rate on “the rich.”
Many people seem to be willing to vote against their own interest if it means they can punish someone else.
waldensianspirit wrote:
no, we ran some real goof balls in the last two senate cycles.
@ lobo91:
Also what qualifies life for many is a cheap texting gadget
Rodan wrote:
That doesn’t surprise me. I don’t expect the Democrat Party to run another white man in my lifetime. Their coalition requires them to do more than pay lip service to Diversity. Diversity is their god, and abortion theisr sacrement. That’s why you don’t see pro-life Democrats anymore. Plugs Biden may think he’s the logical choice for the Democrats in 2016, but that stands little chance of happening. Biden is 20 years too late to be a Democrat nominee.
Iron Fist wrote:
yet he signed a law that permitted abortion and then regretted it and then did nothing at all but say a few words against abortion from there on out.
no action taken, just words spoken
so, ok he said the pro-life platitudes but in action he was pro-abortion…some so con.
rev falwell wanted reagan skinned for appointing oconnor.
reagan didnt have the gay hang up either
waldensianspirit wrote:
I don’t think they thought as far as your last few words “even if it means less quality of life for themselves.” They actually thought that obama cares more for them so hence life will be better for them and less better for the people they hate.
@ Iron Fist:
You and Reagan are Socially Conservative Constitutionalists. Bush, Santorum and Huckabee are Social Conservative Progressives. I have no problem with people who are socially Conservative. My beef are with the Progressives who use these issues to hide their real agenda.
@ Iron Fist:
Maybe if he came out as being gay…
coldwarrior wrote:
Barbara Boxer is in the Senate. No one we’ve ran in the last two cycles approached her level of battiness. I’ll agree Akin shot himself in th emouth, and should have dropped out, but he was one Senator. Tommy Thompson also lost, and he’s as RINO moderate as they come. The people of his state went with the diversity hire.
coldwarrior wrote:
Until GOP quits pretending the other side is playing by the rules they’ll lose
New Thread.
@ lobo91:
Deval Patrick vs. a Gay Joe Biden. Tough one there for Dem voters!
@ coldwarrior:
Fine. By all means, let’s tell 2/3 of our base that we don’t need their votes, and then see how well we do.
@ Iron Fist:
It will be Deval Patrick and Tammy Baldwin (Lesbian) in 2016. Watch.
@ Iron Fist:
@ waldensianspirit:
i dont cre who the left runs, i have no control over it, so if they run boxer, so?
keep runin guys like akin and keep losing.
keep runing chix like angle and keep losing
etc
@ coldwarrior:
And Tommy Tompson? Keep running RINO Moderates and lose, too.
@ Lily:
I agree a percentage of them you’re right. Yet I’ve spoken to and over heard many say they want to ‘stick’ it to old white men in their lives.
Others alright say life will be made harder for Israelis and that pleases them too
coldwarrior wrote:
Run Romney and still lose
lobo91 wrote:
The French are regretting it already. Real estate prices are plunging and that 75% ‘rich’ tax is not the only tax he’s raising. Everybody’s ox is getting gored. I don’t know why they’re unhappy. Hollande is doing EXACTLY what he said he would do.
As for California: Rush talked about an interesting stat today. Excluding gov’t employees (all levels), if you count every living body in the state including inmates, children, etc. -- only 37% make enough money to pay state taxes. So Californians, for the most part, voted to raise THE OTHER GUY’S taxes.
Big surprise, I know.
It isn’t who the left runs cuckoo-wise. They are being allowed to game the system with money printing as much as they want
Jesse Jackson Jr et al win and will continue to win
@ eaglesoars:
We’re going to see the same thing from Obama, of course.
As usual, people refuse to learn from history. Very little of what’s proposed by any politicians anywhere hasn’t been tried somewhere else before (and probably failed).
waldensianspirit wrote:
There is that segment too. Like I said before to honestly break-down why obama won is basically because of cultish thinking, revenge, and believing the MSM. In this election the person who was the radical was Romney not obama. Completely obscene.
Iron Fist wrote:
HELL YEAH.
Anybody committing any type of vote fraud -- anything from ballot box stuffing, to voting as an illegal alien, to hacking the machines that count the votes, to using thugs to block legitimately registered voters from accessing their precinct’s polling place, and any other type of fraud you can imagine -- should be punished by stringent prison terms, followed by deportation in the case of illegal aliens.
eaglesoars wrote:
Don’t tax you
Don’t tax me
Tax that man behind the tree
With a nick nack, paddywhack
Throw the proles a bone
You can make the White House home
Iron Fist wrote:
2/3 of the base is not what i am talking about. you’ll need to go back to my 130 and start there cause i am too lazy to retype what i was talking about.
and 2/3 s of the base is dead wrong on reagan. he was not a so con as they want him to be in their memories.
waldensianspirit wrote:
I also like hearing what these obama voters are saying not just polls…so you are hearing RACIST, RACIST, RACIST people voted for obama for revenge on white people. Unreal.
waldensianspirit wrote:
yep but i was referring to the senate. not the presidency.
so the goalposts got moved to another stadium just now…
Rodan wrote:
How much more evidence do I need to produce that shows that the truly dangerous religious groups all belong to the left?
Do you need the list again? lol.
Seriously though, I think you are on to something here, it seems odd that they only speak up when there’s an election to destroy.
waldensianspirit wrote:
Right now he is going to jail…I do believe he made a plea deal. So is he going to do his job from jail? Like I also said..this countries moors on morals are adrift at sea.
coldwarrior wrote:
When people are there pulling the lever for Obama they do it for Senate too.
Santorum wasn’t running for Senate was he. So we’re within your goal posts
lobo91 wrote:
They should heed what the Bible says:
There is nothing new under the sun.
Romney got less of the Mormon vote than Bush
I thought Santorum made Romney look good
waldensianspirit wrote:
where did i mention santorum?
i didnt.
the goalposts keep getting moved….
heysoos wrote:
You need to research though. The “religious right” talks about social issues. Only one group does things about it. That’s the left. On one hand they are promoting every deviant behavior and action, but on the other hand they are banning as many legal things as possible.
Was it the “religious right” that brought prohibition. Nope read history, it was the religious left. Who’s banning foods left and right. Who’s made it so I can’t enjoy a cigar in public anymore?
Then turn around and look at the other end. Is it the “religious right” protesting gay marriage at funerals and other sacred places? Nope it’s Fred Phelps and his Westies. A LIBERAL group headed by a lifelong democrat who supported Al Gore and even Ralph Nader.
The thing that you are missing is this: One group makes suggestions, the other makes laws. You are attacking the wrong one.
coldwarrior wrote:
@ coldwarrior:
Your interesting article? Was about comparing to Santorum? Inside your goal posts
@ Mars:
Excellent points.
It is also left, not the right, that is making an issue of forcing same-sex marriage on the populace—creating a new form of marriage, which they are falsely casting as “the right” being somehow intransigent.
Rodan wrote:
You hit it out of the park with that one.
I have a script with all future candidates.
1. If the media baits you with the expected abortion/gay marriage/whatever bullshit argument then you answer thusly:
“I have my own personal/religious beliefs, they have no bearing on my campaign. I feel these things are best left to the states to decided and the federal government to keep out of.”
2. When they ask you something that is a flat out lie. Inform them it is a lie and that the interview is over.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yep, they create something new out of the blue and then claim everyone opposing it is an extremist.
Overton window.
@ waldensianspirit:
@ waldensianspirit:
again. the particular question was specifically about the senate races in the last two cycles.
see 251.
i just tore down the goalposts and poured a guinness.
@ Mars:
They do the same thing when they compare drug legalization to prohibition.
The seem to have missed the fact that alcohol was legal in the US prior to prohibition (as well as in most of the rest of the world). Drug use hasn’t been legal in the modern era, and most people don’t want it to be.
Mars wrote:
BINGO!!!
@ coldwarrior:
And as IF pointed out your favorite RINO type lose.
Akins was one of yours. Not a Tea Party Candidate. Akins is a Congressman in good standing with the GOP since January 3, 2001.
Then he tried for the Senate and got more scrutiny and thus failed to win because Obama voters voted against him
And it is a discussion. Not a ‘particular’ question
@ waldensianspirit:
@ waldensianspirit:
i’m not a rino.
i am original tea party member here in sw pa.
i was refering to a particular question.
coldwarrior wrote:
You are now calling for more RINO equivalent ‘remessaging’. [*puke*]
My point is that is like Johnson trying to become Moulitsas. Snowballs chance in hell
waldensianspirit wrote:
no, i am bitching about politicians acting like preachers.
besides, the TEA party means taxed enough already…fiscon fiscon fiscon.
from my original post 130
” and as for the ‘bible thumpers’ in the gop. they turn me off quick. not because i dont follow the message, i go to my own orthodox christian church and frankly dont need to hear it from a stinking politician or pundit.
so imagine how much of a turn off they are to those who are not churched. no one wants to hear fire and brimstone from a politician who is correctly perceived as probably in a dalliance with his secretary or has a drinking problem or has something to hide.
people can see through the act pretty quick.
the thumping is definitely one of the several reasons we lost. no one wants to hear fire and brimstone from a politician of all things! we have priests and rabbis for that.
the gop gets suckered into this trap every 2 years. we fell for it again…akin, &c”
I believe instead the current message should get louder adding in “How is all that class warfare working out for you?!?!?!?!”, “How are those shitty democrat handouts?” “Starting to suck aren’t they?”
waldensianspirit wrote:
i like that.
…own your own house yet?
…still living in mommy’s basement?
oh, we could really get nasty with these!
coldwarrior wrote:
For the next 3 years we seriously should. Then ease up for a slightly more positive run in 2016.
I’m already harder on proggies around me
waldensianspirit wrote:
i have two special cases i am working on. they are already fiscons and dont realize it…surreptitious eduction is key here. they will be on our side next time.
And that includes financial dealings. And I plan to take an internationalist position on economics and tighten how much proggies gotta pay or get paid
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
And they are forcing it down our throats in such a way that would make Барни Франк squeal like a pig!
Moe Katz wrote:
Word
I’m late again, aren’t I?
@ Mars:
If you look at their economic policies, people like Santorum and Huckabee believe in social justice. I would not be shock if there were really Religious Left plants.
Notice the media is always around to capture their every word?