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GAZA (Reuters) -- Israel and militants from the Gaza Strip have agreed to an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire that will come into force at midnight local (2200 GMT), Hamas official Ayman Taha said, speaking to Reuters from Cairo.
“An agreement for calm has been reached. It will be declared at 9.00 p.m. and go into effect at midnight,” Taha said.
Israel shouldn’t let up. Keep hammering until Gaza breaks. You do not win wars by befriening the enemy. You win wars by destroying the enemy’s will and capacity to resist.
The FDA would need an army of compliance officers, similar to the 16,000 agents hired by the IRS to look after ObamaCare’s new mandate, just to check the menu boards in thousands of stores.
This will grow the size of the government and the government employees Unions, so to Obama this isn’t a bug. It is most definately a feature. You’ll have Pizza Compliance Officers who do nothing all day but drive between pizzareias and check that they are in compliance with the law, and issuing fines to those that don’t come up to spec. The Democrats consider That to be fighting unemployment.
You ask the wrong question. Why should Israel, who has the upper hand here, stop hammering their enemy until that enemy is in complete submission? The rocket attacks will continue regardless of whatever Hamas promises. It is debatable as to whether Hamas even has the power to stop them if it wanted to. You don’t bargain with terrorists. That’s the First Rule for dealing with terrorists. Bargaining with terrorists just creats more terrorists. The way you deal with terrorists is you kill them. Kill enough of them, and the survivors will decide that they have better things to do with their lives than be terrorists. Or, of course, you continue until you run out of terrorists. Either way, the problem is solved.
Exactly. It is open to debate as to whether or not Hamas could stop the rocket attacks if they wanted to. At least some of these rocket attacks have been claimed by Islamic Jihad. Can Hamas give them orders that will be obeyed? I don’t know.
Its seems Obama has pressured Israel to stop. Turkey, Egypt, Tunisia, Qatar and The Saudis are putting the heat on Obama. This backs up what i have been saying. Hamas jumped the gun and was supposed to wait until the Caliphate has Syria,Lebanon and Jordan.
Obama said he would stand with the Muzzies and he has not lied.
If I were Israel, I would be looking for a new ally: Hint Russia. they have beef with the MB also.
Yeah, but the Russians don’t have a good history with the Jews. Israel is in a very hard place now. Obama is her enemy, and that means that the United States is no longer a reliable friend. I’d like to say that American public opinion wouldn’t allow for us to backstab Israel, but I don’t know that that is true in this case. Yeah, a majority of Americans support Israel, but Obama no longer has to worry about re-election. He has more flexibility in dealing with world affairs. The House can’t do anything but scream in impotance if Obama decide to cut the Israelis out into the cold.
This is going to be portrayed as Israel backing down to the Muslim Brotherhood Block (Egypt/Turkey/Qatar/Tunisia. This gives them a propaganda win over Iran/Hizballah and an upper hand now. Israel agreeing to this is not a good idea.
@ Iron Fist:
Libyan AL_Qqaeda also claims to have shot rockets. Ansar al-Sharia is now in gaza. those are the guys who attacked the Benghazi consulate.
Lovely. I didn’t know that. It gets back to my question, though. Could Hamas stop the rocket attacks if they wanted to? My guess is a tentative “Yes” but not for very long. Muslims aren’t notable for their fire discipline. In any event, Hamas saying they want a ceasefire probably just means they are running out of ammunition. They need time to rebuild their stockpiles of rockets. They’ve fired what, 700 over the last few days? I realize that these are improvised terror weapons, and that they are crude, but Gaza has been under a blockade for a long time. They aren’t able to just import replacements from Iran.
Yeah, but the Russians don’t have a good history with the Jews.
They have a worse history with the Muzz. It’s not about love of Jews, it’s about uniting against the Caliphate. Russia has been singled out as an enemy by the MB. The Russians have a history of allying with people they don’t like. See WWII. Israel does have to look for other options
Yeah, Hamas will say they been victorious in the glorious cause, piss be upon them. That is why Israel shouldn’t stop. Defeating the Palestinians (and the Muslims as a whole for that matter) isn’t that much different than the Union defeating the South in the Civil War. Israel far outguns their enemies. You can’t even remotely compare their economies. But Israel needs to be merciless in her strikes. Strike at the heart of the people that are making war on them. More Sherman and less Ghandi is what is needed here.
I don’t disagree, I just wonder first if Putin would be interested (he might), and second if Israel could trust him (I doubt it). Israel is in a very tough position right now. I have no doubt that Obama has threatened them, perhaps without saying it directly, but still threatened them, to get them to make this concession to Hamas.
The only people who have effectively dealt with the are the Serbs. they beat the Muzz so bad that Clinton bombed them twice to stop. You don’t see the Muzz wanting another round with the Serbs?
The Muslim Brotherhood Block (Turkey/Egypyt/Qatar/Tunisia) will look like heroes now. They can claim they forced Israel to back off and they will appear as heroes to the Islamic world. This helps their propaganda against Iran and Hizballah. After all Iran could not force Israel to back off but the MB block will claim this.
Oliver North was on hannity last nite. Said Obama is pressuring Israel to cool it. The hammer is spare parts for the F-16s (I think he said F-16s)
He’s right. Obama is buddy with the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas is MB and Egypt and Turkey are pissed. Obama wants Israel to cool it so his buddies Erdogan and Morsi can look like heroes to the Islamic world.
I figured it was something like that. Obama is the terrorists’ pal. He covered up for them in Benghazi, now he’s helping Hamas against Israel. Rodan’s right. It is shameful.
The report from Fox’s Vitter says that a large increase in rocket attacks from Gaza has begun to overwhelm the Iron Dome defense, which means that Hamas wants to push it as much as possible before cutting off the rocket attacks — if they do at all.
Israel should level Gaza. It isn’t that big. They shoudl destroy every building, every car, every hole in the ground that could hide a terrorist. Mao Tse Tung said that the guerrilla was a fish that swam in the sea of the people. Israel shoud drain these terrorists’ sea.
In the post-Petraeus era, former agency folks say get out of the building and onto the street. There is a popular narrative coming out of last week among former intelligence officers when it comes to how the CIA should do its job after Petraeus. Drone operations and counter-terrorism activity in general has impeded the agency’s ability to focus on collection, and the insatiable demand for targeting information, which requires less shoe leather and more computer screen time, means other important information may be overlooked at the peril of national security. Of course, it’s not as simple as that, but the notion is that the kind of CT operations the Obama administration focuses on has drowned out important voices in the intelligence community. Indeed, many have said for a long time that the agency should return to its roots in collecting and analyzing intelligence and move away from paramilitary operations that some believe are more of the Pentagon’s domain anyway.
“Let the military do their work and focus on intel-gathering,” said a former analyst who wrote “The Human Factor,” under the pseudonym Ishmael Jones. “It’s what we need to do.”
@ Rodan:
Muslims aren’t ashamed of hypocrisy. It is just another form of taqiyya.
It is honorable service in the name of the moon-god to kill off and cheat infidels. They have the good/evil thing completely reversed. What kind of mother raises her sons to blow themselves up? It gives the family status.
I thought Brennan -- that fool -- is the one responsible for going ‘all drone’ and no human intel. He really is a moron. There’s a reason Obama appointed him and Clapper. Probably more than one
I was watching FOX before the closed door hearings with Petraeus. An ex-CIA guy was saying that Petraeus was generally disliked by people inside the CIA.
It’s rare to find Jews who choose a career in the military for a wide variety of reasons. Some of those reasons have to do with Jewish culture, and some have to do with military culture. imo.
Rodan wrote:
Israel does have to look for other options
I don’t disagree, I just wonder first if Putin would be interested (he might), and second if Israel could trust him (I doubt it). Israel is in a very tough position right now. I have no doubt that Obama has threatened them, perhaps without saying it directly, but still threatened them, to get them to make this concession to Hamas.
My guess is because the military culture is very different from the CIA’s. He’s used to a top-down, hierarchical structure and probably tried to impose that there.
I think they already have some bilateral ties, but India can’t project power and doesn’t make the kinds of weaponry that Israel needs. The problem with Israel seeking to ally with Russia is different. Israel’s entire military arsenal is based on US weapons designs. Their airforce is primarily US warplanes. For them to move over to the Russian’s camp means replacing all of that equipment. Israel does have some domestic weapons manufacturing (think Merkava tanks), I think the IDF even uses M-4s for their rifle now. Such close ties to the United States made sense until we elected a philo-Muslim to the White House. Congress can only do so much. If Obama gave an executive order that no more F-16 parts were to be shipped to Israel, no more F-16 parts would be shipped to Israel. Would Obama go that far? I honestly don’t know. I think he would if the gain were great enough for th eMuslim Brotherhood. After all, he sent American into combat for al Qaeda in Libya. I’d say he’ll go a long way to support his Muslim peeps.
Israel used to build their own planes. I’m sure they can restart their program if they have to. Israel is not a poor country anymore. They are wealthy and I am sure they can get up and running if they have to. That said this is a disgrace what we are doing to them.
Gaza-based Salafist-Jihadists with ties to al-Qaida have claimed responsibility for perpetrating several of the recent rocket attacks against Israel, according to statements published by several jihadist groups in the past days.
The Gaza-based jihadi group Jaish al-Ummah published two statements on jihadist forums on Monday claiming responsibility for a series of attacks against Israel.
What about France? They’re antisemitic to the core, scared shitless of their Muslim population, and doing jack-all to protect French Jews from Muslim violence.
Despite Napoleon having emancipated the Jews of Europe, the French showed their antisemitism in their response to the Dreyfus affair; in their response to the Stavisky affair; in their collaboration with the Nazi regime in shipping the French Jews off to the camps; in their embargo of Mirage jets during the Six-Day War.
@ Iron Fist:
Israel used to build their own planes. I’m sure they can restart their program if they have to. Israel is not a poor country anymore. They are wealthy and I am sure they can get up and running if they have to. That said this is a disgrace what we are doing to them.
Israel has a lot of poverty due to letting in refugees, world boycotts, social programs, and the Islamists within who work the system, and above all, the huge amount of money that MUST go towards defense. I don’t have stats, but think about it for a minute.
Israel used to build their own planes. I’m sure they can restart their program if they have to. Israel is not a poor country anymore. They are wealthy and I am sure they can get up and running if they have to. That said this is a disgrace what we are doing to them.
Building combat aircraft from the ground up isn’t economical for Israel. The Kfir was based on the stolen plans of the Mirage III airframe, and used American engines.
They cancelled the Lavi program in the late ’90s because they decided it was too expensive to produce.
@ Rodan:
That gets back to the question I asked earlier: can Hamas stop the rocket attacks if they want to? If al Qaeda is involved, the answer is probably no.
Yup, I don’t Hamas has total control of the strip. They may formally run it but they don’t have enough power to tell al-Qaeda what to do.
An ex-CIA guy was saying that Petraeus was generally disliked by people inside the CIA.
I think that’s true b’cause he wasn’t one of “them”:
Petraeus’ transition from military to civilian life was awkward, and he experienced cultural and personality clashes at the agency, the former officer, who did not work under Petraeus, says. He arrived there wanting to understand the issues, but the culture change he confronted and the recognition that he was no longer a four-star commander contributed to his inability to have as much of an impact as he might have thought he’d have. “I think all that went away when he realized that he couldn’t lead but he had to follow.”
I thought Brennan — that fool — is the one responsible for going ‘all drone’ and no human intel. He really is a moron. There’s a reason Obama appointed him and Clapper. Probably more than one
As a general rule: every one appointed by O. is a moron otherwise she/he wouldn’t be appointed
They cut them off after the 6 war in 67. Ironically it was good advertisement for French arms which the Israelis used.
The French cut the Israelis off, IIRC, before the Six-Day War—though I may be misremembering, and it may have been just after. They embargoed jets that were already paid for, and my recollection is that Israel then “stole” them.
The CIA doesn’t work on a top-down model the way the military does.
Everyone works on their own projects, within their own little lanes. On top of that, the way you get ahead there is more like the way it is in journalism. Everyone jealously guards their own information, lest someone else “scoop” them.
It was right after that DeGaulle cut them off. It’s ironic because it was the best advertisement for French weapons. France was trying to curry favor with the 3rd World Movement.
They cut them off after the 6 war in 67. Ironically it was good advertisement for French arms which the Israelis used.
The French cut the Israelis off, IIRC, before the Six-Day War—though I may be misremembering, and it may have been just after. They embargoed jets that were already paid for, and my recollection is that Israel then “stole” them.
Those were the Mirage Vs, which were designed specifically for Israel. When the government cancelled delivery, the French air force ended up with them. They were eventually turned into a long-range nuclear delivery platform for the French.
The intellectual class in France is leftist and pro-Islam. That even includes some Jewish lefties, just like in the rest of the West.
The French emancipation of the Jews in the early 19th century was under the declaration, “to the Jews as individuals, everything; to the Jews as a nation, nothing.”
Ahad Ha-Am, writing at the end of the 19th century, observed in his essay “Slavery in Freedom,” that the Jews of the West, particularly the Jews of France, had betrayed their birthright for an illusion of “civil rights” which left them divided, vulnerable, and apologetic. An essay well worth reading.
Those were the Mirage Vs, which were designed specifically for Israel. When the government cancelled delivery, the French air force ended up with them. They were eventually turned into a long-range nuclear delivery platform for the French.
My recollection is that at the time at least some of them ended up in Israel despite the cancellation of delivery. The French were outraged; supporters of Israel cheered.
ok ok you can all stop pounding on me re: France. But I don’t think the French people love the muzzies AT ALL. Altho now that I think about it, their pre-disposition to be ‘anti colonial’ would lead them to not want to support Israel
BTW, barq hussein would sell out Israel in a New York (times) minute. Bad enough that rice is our representative to the Useless Nations, imagine her as Sectary of State.
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Ceasefire in Gaza:
Israel shouldn’t let up. Keep hammering until Gaza breaks. You do not win wars by befriening the enemy. You win wars by destroying the enemy’s will and capacity to resist.
@ Iron Fist:
Is there a pool on how long it will take before Hamas breaks it?
@ Iron Fist:
Why should it go one more minute?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
This will grow the size of the government and the government employees Unions, so to Obama this isn’t a bug. It is most definately a feature. You’ll have Pizza Compliance Officers who do nothing all day but drive between pizzareias and check that they are in compliance with the law, and issuing fines to those that don’t come up to spec. The Democrats consider That to be fighting unemployment.
lobo91 wrote:
I predict a hamas rocket at 12:05.
@ waldensianspirit:
You ask the wrong question. Why should Israel, who has the upper hand here, stop hammering their enemy until that enemy is in complete submission? The rocket attacks will continue regardless of whatever Hamas promises. It is debatable as to whether Hamas even has the power to stop them if it wanted to. You don’t bargain with terrorists. That’s the First Rule for dealing with terrorists. Bargaining with terrorists just creats more terrorists. The way you deal with terrorists is you kill them. Kill enough of them, and the survivors will decide that they have better things to do with their lives than be terrorists. Or, of course, you continue until you run out of terrorists. Either way, the problem is solved.
@ lobo91:
Exactly. It is open to debate as to whether or not Hamas could stop the rocket attacks if they wanted to. At least some of these rocket attacks have been claimed by Islamic Jihad. Can Hamas give them orders that will be obeyed? I don’t know.
@ Iron Fist:
Its seems Obama has pressured Israel to stop. Turkey, Egypt, Tunisia, Qatar and The Saudis are putting the heat on Obama. This backs up what i have been saying. Hamas jumped the gun and was supposed to wait until the Caliphate has Syria,Lebanon and Jordan.
Obama said he would stand with the Muzzies and he has not lied.
If I were Israel, I would be looking for a new ally: Hint Russia. they have beef with the MB also.
@ Rodan:
And currently Canada
@ Iron Fist:
Libyan AL_Qqaeda also claims to have shot rockets. Ansar al-Sharia is now in gaza. those are the guys who attacked the Benghazi consulate.
@ Rodan:
Yeah, but the Russians don’t have a good history with the Jews. Israel is in a very hard place now. Obama is her enemy, and that means that the United States is no longer a reliable friend. I’d like to say that American public opinion wouldn’t allow for us to backstab Israel, but I don’t know that that is true in this case. Yeah, a majority of Americans support Israel, but Obama no longer has to worry about re-election. He has more flexibility in dealing with world affairs. The House can’t do anything but scream in impotance if Obama decide to cut the Israelis out into the cold.
NYT chaperoning hamassholes?
@ Iron Fist:
This is going to be portrayed as Israel backing down to the Muslim Brotherhood Block (Egypt/Turkey/Qatar/Tunisia. This gives them a propaganda win over Iran/Hizballah and an upper hand now. Israel agreeing to this is not a good idea.
Rodan wrote:
Lovely. I didn’t know that. It gets back to my question, though. Could Hamas stop the rocket attacks if they wanted to? My guess is a tentative “Yes” but not for very long. Muslims aren’t notable for their fire discipline. In any event, Hamas saying they want a ceasefire probably just means they are running out of ammunition. They need time to rebuild their stockpiles of rockets. They’ve fired what, 700 over the last few days? I realize that these are improvised terror weapons, and that they are crude, but Gaza has been under a blockade for a long time. They aren’t able to just import replacements from Iran.
@ Iron Fist:
They have a worse history with the Muzz. It’s not about love of Jews, it’s about uniting against the Caliphate. Russia has been singled out as an enemy by the MB. The Russians have a history of allying with people they don’t like. See WWII. Israel does have to look for other options
@ Iron Fist:
Iran has cut off Hamas over Syria. Its Islamic Jihad they arm now. Egypt and Turkey will arm Hamas now. This makes it worse.
@ Rodan:
Yeah, Hamas will say they been victorious in the glorious cause, piss be upon them. That is why Israel shouldn’t stop. Defeating the Palestinians (and the Muslims as a whole for that matter) isn’t that much different than the Union defeating the South in the Civil War. Israel far outguns their enemies. You can’t even remotely compare their economies. But Israel needs to be merciless in her strikes. Strike at the heart of the people that are making war on them. More Sherman and less Ghandi is what is needed here.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I can see it now. Bloomberg passing an ordinance that only allows two slices per person in NYC. Take out is gonna be a bitch.
Rodan wrote:
I don’t disagree, I just wonder first if Putin would be interested (he might), and second if Israel could trust him (I doubt it). Israel is in a very tough position right now. I have no doubt that Obama has threatened them, perhaps without saying it directly, but still threatened them, to get them to make this concession to Hamas.
waldensianspirit wrote:
Keep sending them in.
@ Iron Fist:
The only people who have effectively dealt with the are the Serbs. they beat the Muzz so bad that Clinton bombed them twice to stop. You don’t see the Muzz wanting another round with the Serbs?
The Muslim Brotherhood Block (Turkey/Egypyt/Qatar/Tunisia) will look like heroes now. They can claim they forced Israel to back off and they will appear as heroes to the Islamic world. This helps their propaganda against Iran and Hizballah. After all Iran could not force Israel to back off but the MB block will claim this.
These are McCain’s friends!
@ Iron Fist:
This is a disgrace and national shame. Democrats always backstabbing our allies. There will be huge consequences for our treachery of Israel.
I am ashamed right now.
WOW, Does Armenia and Turkish Cyprus ring a bell?
Turkey accuses Israel of ‘ethnic cleansing’ in Gaza
Oliver North was on hannity last nite. Said Obama is pressuring Israel to cool it. The hammer is spare parts for the F-16s (I think he said F-16s)
eaglesoars wrote:
He’s right. Obama is buddy with the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas is MB and Egypt and Turkey are pissed. Obama wants Israel to cool it so his buddies Erdogan and Morsi can look like heroes to the Islamic world.
@ Rodan:
Muslims aren’t ashamed of hypocrisy. It is just another form of taqiyya.
Israel denies truce report
good. keep killing ‘em
@ eaglesoars:
I figured it was something like that. Obama is the terrorists’ pal. He covered up for them in Benghazi, now he’s helping Hamas against Israel. Rodan’s right. It is shameful.
The Universal Jewish ‘toast’ is ‘l’chaim’ (to life) You can’t take that out of the traditions, religion, and culture.
The no-booze ‘toast’ of Islam is “to death”.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2201645/Our-people-like-death-Brother-Al-Qaeda-leader-Aymen-al-Zawahiri-reveals-peace-plan.html
@ eaglesoars:
Israel should level Gaza. It isn’t that big. They shoudl destroy every building, every car, every hole in the ground that could hide a terrorist. Mao Tse Tung said that the guerrilla was a fish that swam in the sea of the people. Israel shoud drain these terrorists’ sea.
Muslims drag body through the streets of Gaza because he may have been an Israeli sympathizer? The animals need to be removed.
Iron Fist wrote:
It is honorable service in the name of the moon-god to kill off and cheat infidels. They have the good/evil thing completely reversed. What kind of mother raises her sons to blow themselves up? It gives the family status.
Iron Fist wrote:
I just don’t understand it. After they’ve finished wiping it off the map they should salt the ground. “Never Again” applies.
@ Guggi:
I thought Brennan -- that fool -- is the one responsible for going ‘all drone’ and no human intel. He really is a moron. There’s a reason Obama appointed him and Clapper. Probably more than one
@ Guggi:
I was watching FOX before the closed door hearings with Petraeus. An ex-CIA guy was saying that Petraeus was generally disliked by people inside the CIA.
@ eaglesoars:
It’s rare to find Jews who choose a career in the military for a wide variety of reasons. Some of those reasons have to do with Jewish culture, and some have to do with military culture. imo.
@ yenta-fada:
did he say why?
Must go make an anti-Hamas salad. Main ingredient, Bibi lettuce.
Iron Fist wrote:
What about India as a possible Israeli ally?
bluliner10 wrote:
Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly, muzz…..
How Soros pushes divisive lefty tactics within Israel to undermine the country.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43530
eaglesoars wrote:
I wish he had, but he was openly grinning at getting rid of Petraeus.
eaglesoars wrote:
My guess is because the military culture is very different from the CIA’s. He’s used to a top-down, hierarchical structure and probably tried to impose that there.
bluliner10 wrote:
reminds you of Falluja, doesn’t it?
@ yenta-fada:
It’s anti-semitic to criticize Soros!
Ohh wait!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@ citizen_q:
That is another option.
Life in Israel with rockets raining down.
Rodan wrote:
Except for the Muslims….
citizen_q wrote:
I think they already have some bilateral ties, but India can’t project power and doesn’t make the kinds of weaponry that Israel needs. The problem with Israel seeking to ally with Russia is different. Israel’s entire military arsenal is based on US weapons designs. Their airforce is primarily US warplanes. For them to move over to the Russian’s camp means replacing all of that equipment. Israel does have some domestic weapons manufacturing (think Merkava tanks), I think the IDF even uses M-4s for their rifle now. Such close ties to the United States made sense until we elected a philo-Muslim to the White House. Congress can only do so much. If Obama gave an executive order that no more F-16 parts were to be shipped to Israel, no more F-16 parts would be shipped to Israel. Would Obama go that far? I honestly don’t know. I think he would if the gain were great enough for th eMuslim Brotherhood. After all, he sent American into combat for al Qaeda in Libya. I’d say he’ll go a long way to support his Muslim peeps.
A’Pillar of Defense’ on twitter.
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23PillarOfDefense&src=hash
@ Iron Fist:
Israel used to build their own planes. I’m sure they can restart their program if they have to. Israel is not a poor country anymore. They are wealthy and I am sure they can get up and running if they have to. That said this is a disgrace what we are doing to them.
Rodan wrote:
what about France?
@ yenta-fada:
@ Iron Fist:
Al-Qaeda now openly admitting they are involved!
Salafists take responsibility for Gaza rockets
eaglesoars wrote:
Surely you jest? France can’t project power that far, and doesn’t have the indigenous arms production to feed Israel what she needs.
@ eaglesoars:
Interesting question, but France is pro-Muzzie. Israel used to get arms from France. But I don’t know about now.
eaglesoars wrote:
What about France? They’re antisemitic to the core, scared shitless of their Muslim population, and doing jack-all to protect French Jews from Muslim violence.
Despite Napoleon having emancipated the Jews of Europe, the French showed their antisemitism in their response to the Dreyfus affair; in their response to the Stavisky affair; in their collaboration with the Nazi regime in shipping the French Jews off to the camps; in their embargo of Mirage jets during the Six-Day War.
@ Rodan:
That gets back to the question I asked earlier: can Hamas stop the rocket attacks if they want to? If al Qaeda is involved, the answer is probably no.
Rodan wrote:
Israel has a lot of poverty due to letting in refugees, world boycotts, social programs, and the Islamists within who work the system, and above all, the huge amount of money that MUST go towards defense. I don’t have stats, but think about it for a minute.
Rodan wrote:
Building combat aircraft from the ground up isn’t economical for Israel. The Kfir was based on the stolen plans of the Mirage III airframe, and used American engines.
They cancelled the Lavi program in the late ’90s because they decided it was too expensive to produce.
Iron Fist wrote:
Yup, I don’t Hamas has total control of the strip. They may formally run it but they don’t have enough power to tell al-Qaeda what to do.
yenta-fada wrote:
I think that’s true b’cause he wasn’t one of “them”:
eaglesoars wrote:
As a general rule: every one appointed by O. is a moron otherwise she/he wouldn’t be appointed
Rodan wrote:
France hasn’t supplied Israel with military hardware since the mid-’60s.
@ lobo91:
That’s the program China based their J-10 off if I recall.
@ lobo91:
They cut them off after the 6 war in 67. Ironically it was good advertisement for French arms which the Israelis used.
Rodan wrote:
The French cut the Israelis off, IIRC, before the Six-Day War—though I may be misremembering, and it may have been just after. They embargoed jets that were already paid for, and my recollection is that Israel then “stole” them.
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@ buzzsawmonkey:
The intellectual class in France is leftist and pro-Islam. That even includes some Jewish lefties, just like in the rest of the West.
@ Guggi:
The CIA doesn’t work on a top-down model the way the military does.
Everyone works on their own projects, within their own little lanes. On top of that, the way you get ahead there is more like the way it is in journalism. Everyone jealously guards their own information, lest someone else “scoop” them.
Guggi wrote:
Absolutely. They have to be a moron to be willing to work for the SCOAMF.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It was right after that DeGaulle cut them off. It’s ironic because it was the best advertisement for French weapons. France was trying to curry favor with the 3rd World Movement.
French support for Israel is a Mirage.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Those were the Mirage Vs, which were designed specifically for Israel. When the government cancelled delivery, the French air force ended up with them. They were eventually turned into a long-range nuclear delivery platform for the French.
yenta-fada wrote:
The French emancipation of the Jews in the early 19th century was under the declaration, “to the Jews as individuals, everything; to the Jews as a nation, nothing.”
Ahad Ha-Am, writing at the end of the 19th century, observed in his essay “Slavery in Freedom,” that the Jews of the West, particularly the Jews of France, had betrayed their birthright for an illusion of “civil rights” which left them divided, vulnerable, and apologetic. An essay well worth reading.
lobo91 wrote:
My recollection is that at the time at least some of them ended up in Israel despite the cancellation of delivery. The French were outraged; supporters of Israel cheered.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
heh.
Boats of Cherbourg: The Secret Israeli Operation That Revolutionized Naval Warfare
ok ok you can all stop pounding on me re: France. But I don’t think the French people love the muzzies AT ALL. Altho now that I think about it, their pre-disposition to be ‘anti colonial’ would lead them to not want to support Israel
@ Iron Fist:
Sorry work intruded.
Good points.
BTW, barq hussein would sell out Israel in a New York (times) minute. Bad enough that rice is our representative to the Useless Nations, imagine her as Sectary of State.
@ eaglesoars:
The French starting with DeGaulle support 3rd World Liberation.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
You are correct it was right before. We have carried the subject to the enxt thread.
But wait, theres more !!
The Jim Caroll Band:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mcloY9BlOU
They were all my friends …