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The probable Democratic ticket in 2016

by Rodan ( 114 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Cult of Obama, Democratic Party, Elections 2016, Progressives at November 20th, 2012 - 7:00 am

The 20o12 election is over but due to the news cycle, there is already talk for 2016. Many people claim that Hillary Clinton is the favorite on the Democratic side. I don’t view it like that because let’s just say she hasn’t aged well. Others claim Joe Biden is the favorite but the man is a buffoon and will be treated as a laughing stock. Some analysts think Andrew Cuomo has shot but the problem is he is too economically and fiscally conservative to even win the Democratic nomination. The favorite in 2016, will be another Black man-god.

I am convinced that the Democratic nominee for 2016 will be Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick. He has ties with Obama going back a decade. His main campaign consultant is David Axelrod. Plus he is Black and that helps with the media and popular culture if you are a Democrat. If you are a Black Republican, well that’s a different story. With Obama not dismantling his campaign machine, he can get Deval Patrick up and running quickly and give him the edge. The media will then ascribe god-like qualities to Gov. Patrick and create a messianic cult. Obama will give him his blessing and he will sail to win the nomination easily.

Deval Patrick’s VP pick will be newly elected Senator from Wisconsin Tammy Baldwin.

Why would Patrick pick a freshman Senator? She’s a female and a lesbian. A Black-Lesbian ticket would be very difficult for this current incarnation of the Republican Party to defeat. The media will decry any criticism of a Deval Patrick and Tammy Baldwin ticket as racist, homophobe an anti-women. Since the Republicans tend to nominate retreads, the nominee in 2016 will probably be Jeb Bush, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum or Chris Christie. Anyone of these four will be the perfect straw-men for a Patrick-Baldwin who will probably go on to win.

I wish I was joking with this post, but my gut tells me this is the likely scenario for 2016. If the Republicans Party could not defeat a Messianic Black guy on 2 occasions, they will not be able to defeat another one with a Lesbian as his running mate. The Democrats know this and are probably plotting this ticket as we speak.

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  1. 1 | November 20, 2012 7:11 am

    Барни Франк would be proud!


  2. 2 | November 20, 2012 7:20 am

    What a depressing goddammed thought to start the day. It does, however, tie in pretty week to this piece about decline being an inescapable result of civilizational success.


  3. 3 | November 20, 2012 7:26 am

    And the Economy won’t win it for us, either. Not if the last election is any indication. People have come to accept 8% unemployment and sub-2% growth (and most of that in the government sector) as the New Normal. It will do no good to run against the “normal” candidates as something superior. Indeed, if we articulate that, they will accuse us of “white supremacy”. I agree that this will be a difficult ticket to beat, but we have to try. I don’t have much hope for our nation. I think the Democrats are going to continue to buy elections with public money until the country goes bankrupt. Then all bets are off. It’ll make the meltdown of Greece look, well, as minor as Greece’s economy is to the world picture. Those who think destroying America is a good Idea will get their wish, but unless they are big fans of War and Famine, I don’t think they are going to like it when they get it.


  4. Storagemanager
    4 | November 20, 2012 7:53 am

    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has lashed out at Israel, claiming that the country is committing ethnic cleansing against Palestinians with air offensives against Gaza that have left more than 100 people, mostly civilians, dead.

    Erdoğan, addressing his deputies in a parliamentary group meeting on Tuesday, said Israel is undermining peace and international law in the region and committing ethnic cleansing in the region.

    “Israel is occupying Palestinian lands step-by-step,” Erdoğan said, adding that Israel is terrorizing the Middle East.
    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-298741-.html


  5. Storagemanager
    5 | November 20, 2012 7:54 am

    Turkey and Egypt, two heavyweights in the Middle East, should send troops to monitor a cease-fire in the Gaza Strip that is likely to happen in the upcoming days, a top Palestinian envoy in Ankara has said.

    Palestinian Ambassador to Turkey Nabil Maarouf told Today’s Zaman on Tuesday that in order to maintain a possible cease-fire in Gaza, which has been experiencing Israeli attacks since Wednesday, Turkey and Egypt should send in troops immediately.

    “The best solution for the future of Palestine would be the presence of Turkish and Egyptian forces in Gaza as they are two important and close countries in the region. Israel will never dare to attack Gaza in the presence of Turkish and Egyptian forces. This will help to ease the conditions. This is the solution,” Maarouf said. The envoy underlined that the presence of these troops should definitely be under a UN umbrella.
    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-298743-.html


  6. 6 | November 20, 2012 7:57 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Turkey and Egypt, two heavyweights in the Middle East, should send troops to monitor a cease-fire in the Gaza Strip that is likely to happen in the upcoming days, a top Palestinian envoy in Ankara has said.

    That’s a lot like putting Chris Christie in charge of monitoring your stash of Twinkies.


  7. Storagemanager
    7 | November 20, 2012 8:00 am

    @ MacDuff:
    lol


  8. waldensianspirit
    8 | November 20, 2012 8:02 am

    France is becoming the USA


  9. Storagemanager
    9 | November 20, 2012 8:11 am

    The deployment of hundreds of German soldiers with Patriot missiles would put us onto a very slippery slope into a Syrian mission.” Omid Nouripour, security expert for the opposition Greens, said on Saturday.

    Philipp Missfelder, a foreign policy spokesman for Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservatives in the Bundestag lower house of parliament, accused the opposition of endangering Germany’s reputation as a reliable partner.

    “I’m ashamed for my Bundestag colleagues,” he told SPIEGEL ONLINE on Sunday. “To deny military protection to a NATO partner who feels threatened makes me blush with shame.”

    He may draw some relief from Turkey’s announcement on Tuesday that NATO member states have agreed to supply Turkey with Patriots. The country has been talking to NATO allies about how to boost security on its border with Syria after mortar rounds landed inside its territory.
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/commentators-say-germany-can-t-refuse-turkish-request-for-patriots-a-868239.html


  10. 10 | November 20, 2012 8:14 am

    Only in Israel:

    Except, here’s a true story: Back in mid-June, during the great Paris weapons show, the Rafael pavilion was absolutely the busiest around, and everybody wanted to look at the new, exciting, Iron Dome system, the greatest achievement in rocket defense ever. But by the end of the show, Rafael hadn’t made a single sale. The Arrow sold well, other systems did great – Iron Dome wasn’t moving. So they contacted their big clients, the serious ones, and asked what gives. And those clients told them no one except Israel has any use for these things. Because in any normal, sane country, if some hooligans were to start targeting civilians with rockets – the army would go and kill them.

    This article also gets at the heart of the real path to Peace in Israel:

    Like it or not, there is only one solution to the Hamas tyranny of terror in Gaza: they need to be rounded up and killed, and their terrified subjects need to be permitted to pursue their lives with dignity and liberty and happiness.

    Killing all of Hamas would be a good start, but it is only a start. Do not forget that in the only free and fair elections that the People of Gaza ever had they elected Hamas to be their totalitarian dictators. I have no compassion for the people of Gaza. They chose this path of their own free will. They need to be put down like rabid dogs.


  11. EBL
    11 | November 20, 2012 8:22 am

    Scary thoughts! Patrick no. Booker maybe, but not in 2016. And you forget 4 more years of O policy will make people wish “why did we do this to ourselves…”


  12. 12 | November 20, 2012 8:23 am

    Back to the topic at hand, while I totally agree that Obama’s dime store “messiah” schtick is a major factor in his electoral success, I’m not at all sure that he’ll be immune to “Obama fatigue” in his second term. I’ll stipulate that not all presidents encounter the fatigue factor, it does seem to be a rule more than an exception. Clinton didn’t suffer it, but he was the beneficiary of a healthy (on it’s face) economy and a rather placid (again, on it’s face) foreign policy landscape. Obama has neither, and will likely have neither in the future.

    On the other hand, I had faith in the American electorate on Nov 6 and was profoundly disappointed, so WTF do I know?


  13. Storagemanager
    13 | November 20, 2012 8:24 am

    Saber Abul Fotouh, a member of the High Commission for the ruling Freedom and Justice Party, which is the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, said that their “youth group” are poised to join the jihad in Gaza “with our Palestinian brothers in their war against the brutal Zionist aggression.” http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/muslim-brotherhood-may-be-ready-to-send-egyptian-jihadists-into-israel/


  14. 14 | November 20, 2012 8:30 am

    EBL wrote:

    And you forget 4 more years of O policy will make people wish “why did we do this to ourselves…”

    We thought four years of Obama would make people ask “Why did we do this to ourselves”, but it didn’t. The people in their infinite wisdom doubled down on their stupidity. That’[ swhy I say we can’t rely on the continued abyssmal performance of the economy to sav us. By 2016 8% unemployment and sub-2% growth will be normal. That’s all we’ll have known for eight years. If by some chance unemployment dips below 8% (unlikely except by statistical tinkering; real unemployment is at least 11% right now), it will be hailed as a boom.


  15. Storagemanager
    15 | November 20, 2012 8:34 am

    Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that secession was a “deeply American principle,” amid a growing number of people petitioning the White House to let their states secede from the U.S.

    “Secession is a deeply American principle. This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those ‘traitors’ became our country’s greatest patriots,” the former presidential candidate wrote in a post on his House website. “There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84058.html#ixzz2ClmCusZs


  16. 16 | November 20, 2012 8:48 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    I must say, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard the word “secession” used with regard to our declaring our independence from England; for some reason it doesn’t seem the proper word.


  17. Guggi
    17 | November 20, 2012 8:49 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    From an European experience it can last for decades before people become aware that they had made a wrong decision.


  18. 18 | November 20, 2012 8:51 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Secessio isn’t a serious concern right now. No state is going to secede at this time, no matter how many sign a petition desiring it. That is the hard, cold political fact of it. When secession becomes viable, though, is when the Federal Government goes bankrupt. As I have said before, why should the Solvent States go down with th eInsolvnt States? California leads the country in poverty now, and has taken steps to guarantee that lead indefinately into the future. Why should more responsible State foot the bill for California’s troubles? There lies the roots of a secessionist movement that might have a chance at succeeding.


  19. bluliner10
    19 | November 20, 2012 8:53 am

    Guggi wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    From an European experience it can last for decades before people become aware that they had made a wrong decision.

    The Europeans convinced themselves their choices were good to go, because the Americans were there to cover their losses, and defense. Nobody does that for US.


  20. 20 | November 20, 2012 8:56 am

    @ Guggi:

    We don’t have decades any more. We’ve got a decade, maybe a decade and a half before our economy comes apart. I can see the willful blindness of the voters lasting that long, though. What happens when the economy implodes is anybody’s guess. I’m sure we’ll print money, but after the hyperinflation and devaluation of everything in America, people may want different answers. The thing to watch will be the well-managed Republican States. What will Texas do, with her economy the 15th largest in the world, when California comes begging for a handout to pay their public sector union pensions? I know I’d be against giving them one thin dime.


  21. Guggi
    21 | November 20, 2012 9:01 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    The Europeans convinced themselves their choices were good to go, because the Americans were there to cover their losses, and defense. Nobody does that for US.

    That’s correct. To pamper their voters with “goodies” European governments like Germany, France and even GB cut their defense budgets which left them nearly unable to defend themselves.


  22. 22 | November 20, 2012 9:04 am

    @ bluliner10:

    Absolutely true. There will be no one to bail the US out when we implode. And when our economy goes down, the economy of the world goes down. China is a fragile system as things are now. What happens to thir economy when we aren’t buying tons of cheap goods manufactured there? I am not talking about us finding other suppliers, but us simply no longer having the money to buy. The American people will simply have to learn to do without in the next Depression.


  23. Calo
    23 | November 20, 2012 9:04 am

    Alan West Concedes


  24. Guggi
    24 | November 20, 2012 9:06 am

    Conservative Republicans fight back after Romney loss

    Evangelical leaders and conservative activists have a simple message for establishment Republicans about Mitt Romney’s failed presidential bid: We told you so.

    After nearly two weeks of listening to GOP officials pledge to assert greater control over the party and its most strident voices in the wake of Romney’s loss, grass-roots activists have begun to fight back, saying that they are not to blame for the party’s losses in November.


  25. 25 | November 20, 2012 9:07 am

    @ Calo:

    It’s a sad day. The RINO Establishment decided they’d rather have a Democrat than have Allen West in Congres. It is a shame. It is things like that that are the rason I no longer donate money to the Republican Party. They aren’t reliable enough.


  26. Guggi
    26 | November 20, 2012 9:07 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    What happens to thir economy when we aren’t buying tons of cheap goods manufactured there?

    Europe won’t be helpful either. We are already in a recession again.


  27. 27 | November 20, 2012 9:08 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I wish I was joking with this thread, but I fear it will come to pass.


  28. 28 | November 20, 2012 9:10 am

    @ Guggi:

    These groups are going to push Santorum in 2016. What these groups don’t realize was that Romney was the only one who had a shot. Now they want their pure candidate for 2016. I say let them have it and a 45 state defeat.


  29. 29 | November 20, 2012 9:11 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Egypt and Turkey are both MB. I am not shocked by this.


  30. 30 | November 20, 2012 9:12 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    What happens to thir economy when we aren’t buying tons of cheap goods manufactured there? I am not talking about us finding other suppliers, but us simply no longer having the money to buy.

    They will start a war of conquest in East Asia.


  31. 31 | November 20, 2012 9:12 am

    Guggi wrote:

    saying that they are not to blame for the party’s losses in November.

    That is absolutely true. Romney ran away from the base as hard as he dared. He avoided the Tea Party like it had the plague. He wanted their votes, but gavethem very little. The only reason I was a Romney enthusiast was because of the Paul Ryan pick. Paul Ryan was an indicator that Romney intended to get serious about our budget problem. This gets to something that I have been harping on for ages. To win a Presidential race, you have to get your base out first. Obama did excellent at this. Romney took his base for granted, and didn’t get enough of them out in the critical states. I don’t know if the Republican Party will have the sense to realize they need their base, or if hey will continue to piss in our faces. If Allen West is any indicator, it’ll be the latter, and the Republicans will continue to lose.


  32. 32 | November 20, 2012 9:13 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Spot on! The economy doesn’t matter anymore. Voters will vote foir who they think is cool or makes them feel better.


  33. Guggi
    33 | November 20, 2012 9:13 am

    @ Rodan:

    Have you seen McDuffs link to an article about Romney transition team ? Worth reading it. People should know what they have missed.


  34. 34 | November 20, 2012 9:15 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The problem is the Republican base is very fractured as well. We all have different interests. The Democratic base is united on only on ething, they hate the GOP.


  35. 35 | November 20, 2012 9:15 am

    @ Rodan:

    Run a real conservative and win. Rubio looks promising, but the Left have already started their demonization campaign against him. Moderates don’t win. Dole, McCain, Romney, and even Bush prove that. Bush barely won against very weak candidates. Dole, McCain, and now Romney lost. You can’t pull enough from the middle if you don’t get out your base.


  36. 36 | November 20, 2012 9:16 am

    @ Guggi:

    Thank you!


  37. waldensianspirit
    37 | November 20, 2012 9:21 am

    Mooch will be POTUS


  38. 38 | November 20, 2012 9:22 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yes, witness the disagreements we have on this blog. Democrats want power above all else, and they are united on that. They want the power to pillage the working class for the parasite class, but the Republicans don’t have the balls to say it that bluntly. Romney should have labeled Obama a “Tax-and-Spend” Democrat, and gone after him that way. That is talking to the people in a language that they can understand, and in this case would be nothing but th eunvarnished truth. Romney was so willing to go negative to win the primary, but like McCain before him he was unwilling to go that route on Obama.


  39. 39 | November 20, 2012 9:23 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Here’s the problem, a segment of the base hates Rubio. In the GQ magazine he discusses how much he’s into Rap music. That is a killer with a large part of the GOP base. Many in the base also claim he’s not a natural born citizen and will stop at nothing at demonizing him. I doubt he will get past Iowa.

    Sadly I think 2016 will be another loss. It will be Jeb Bush or Rick Santorum or both. :-(

    The base is very fractured so while you and I may like Rubio, others hate him. Sad but true. :-(

    I hope to be proven wrong.


  40. 40 | November 20, 2012 9:25 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Remember when I was warning back in the summer about Romney not fighting back? He lost the election in June, July and August. He only caught his stride after the Oct. 3rd debate. But it was too late by then.

    You have to answer every attack and come up with one of your own. I would have called Obama the debtor President.


  41. 41 | November 20, 2012 9:26 am

    Sorry, but just in a mood today…


  42. waldensianspirit
    42 | November 20, 2012 9:26 am

    Wow! This picture at wz says it all! What a pathetic POTUS. The Office is forever tainted by this jerk


  43. 43 | November 20, 2012 9:26 am

    Guggi wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Have you seen McDuffs link to an article about Romney transition team ? Worth reading it. People should know what they have missed.

    Thanks for reposting that, Guggi. He really had a handle on how to proceed and yeah, I think turning Romney away is one of the worst mistakes we’ve made in quite some time.


  44. 44 | November 20, 2012 9:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    In the GQ magazine he discusses how much he’s into Rap music. That is a killer with a large part of the GOP base.

    No one is going to care. What music you listen to is not relevant to the vast majority of the base. They may not like rap (I don’t), but it isn’t going to affect their turnout for him. His positions on abortion and gun control are solid. That is what the base looks at. I know people who will not vote for a pro-choice candidate no matter what. Absolutely will not. Indeed, they may have not voted for Romney because of his pro-choice past. I think that is a mistake myself, but some people are very fixed in their beliefs. Rubio can win those folks. Rubio is from the Tea PArty, so he can win those folks as well (there’s some overlap, but a lot of people in one group aren’t in the other). Where Rubio will have trouble is with the Republican Establishment. They aren’t going to like him one bit. I don’t think you have to worry about the going for Santorum, either, but you do have to worry about th Establishment pushing Jeb Bush. They think he has a shot at pulling Hispanics, but they are blind to the fact that he is tainted irretrievably by his association with his brother’s Presidency. No one want’s another Bush except the Party Mandarins.


  45. theoutsider
    45 | November 20, 2012 9:35 am

    @ Rodan:
    You guy’s always hated Romney through the primaries, Was it Pure Obama hate that led you to Romney?


  46. 46 | November 20, 2012 9:37 am

    @ theoutsider:

    No Romney won me over.


  47. 47 | November 20, 2012 9:40 am

    @ theoutsider:

    I’ve said before that it was the Paul Ryan pick that made me embrace Romney. As a matter of fact, I said it again earlier on this thread. A simple truth: America is going to go bankrupt if we keep borrowing money at the rate we are currently borrowing it. Do you disagree? The math is solid. We simply can’t go on borrowing a trillion dollars a year indefinately (and what did we get for that trillion dollars?). Tell me, what is your plan for when the national debt hits 150% GDP? It’ll be there by the end of Obama’s second term.


  48. Speranza
    48 | November 20, 2012 9:40 am

    @ Rodan:
    I grew to like and respect Romney and I think the country lost out on November 6. He has far more character and intelligence then Obama.


  49. waldensianspirit
    49 | November 20, 2012 9:42 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    You guy’s always hated Romney through the primaries, Was it Pure Obama hate that led you to Romney?

    Let’s print 1 quadrillion dollars and we all won’t have to go to work any more.


  50. 50 | November 20, 2012 9:45 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    What Rubio has to tone down is the nation building crap. He supported the Arab Spring and our intervention in Libya. Many in the base are sick of these wars for Islamic Democracy. Hopefully the events in Benghazi and Gaza will make Rubio change his opinion. That’s the only thing that makes me leery about Rubio.

    His positions on abortion and gun control are solid.

    Yes, they are but he doesn’t talk about them 24/7 nor pushes it in people’s face. Will that segenmnt of the base except than? Or will Santorum who for him, Socila issues are #1. Keep in mind that Santorum is a Socialist, but he maskes that with his Social stances. Too many fall for that crap like they did with Bush.

    As for the GOP Establishment, yup they will stop at nothing to stop Rubio. They are the ones behind the Rubio birther crap and they use false flag operatives who appear to be the base to confuse people. The GOP Establishment is nasty with fellow Republicans but roll over fops the Left. It makes me wonder if the GOP Establishment are really Democratic moles.


  51. waldensianspirit
    51 | November 20, 2012 9:46 am

    @ Rodan:
    That’s why I can’t vote for Rubio. I believe they got to him by giving him a taste of foreign dabbling


  52. 52 | November 20, 2012 9:48 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I grew to like and respect Romney and I think the country lost out on November 6. He has far more character and intelligence then Obama.

    Romney should have been the candidate he was after Oct. 3rd from the beginning. The problem is he tried to outflank Perry and Gingrich on immigration and went me too with Santorum’s fire and brimstone garbage. Then he did nothing for 3 months as Obama tore him apart. When he finally ran as who he was, it was too little, too late.


  53. 53 | November 20, 2012 9:51 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    That’s why I can’t vote for Rubio. I believe they got to him by giving him a taste of foreign dabbling

    I can explain Rubio’s foreign policy. His family left Cuba and it went communist. Rubio thinks its America’s duty to free the world so others don’t have to leave their lands. The problem is this doesn’t apply to the Islamic world. Afghanistan, Iraq and the Arab Spring prove this Democracy spreading does not work everywhere. I hope Rubio changes his positions.

    My favorites for 2016 are Susana Martinez or Rand Paul.


  54. theoutsider
    54 | November 20, 2012 9:52 am

    @ Rodan:
    It might might be a Hillary Clinton/Elizabeth Warren, vs Jeb Bush/Susannah Martinez ticket, if I was predicting today. A lot of shit is going to being happening in the next 4 years, so Who Knows?


  55. 55 | November 20, 2012 9:54 am

    Rodan wrote:

    It makes me wonder if the GOP Establishment are really Democratic moles.

    I don’t think they are Democrat moles, but I do think that they are quite comfortable in the role of “Loyal Opposition”, and don’t really care that much about who wins as long as they are invited to the right Georgetown parties. They consider themselves to be the Elite, and the Left-wingers who are running the show now are content to let them consider themselves the Elite as long as they don’t make too much trouble for them. That’s why you saw the Establishment, Right and Left, team up against the Tea Party. That raised the specter of somthing beyond their control, and neither side liked it. That is what I think is going on, at any rate. The Left is concerned with passing an agenda. What passes for leadership on the Right doesn’t care so much about the agenda. That is why the so-called Republican Revolution of 1994 fizzled. Oh, some of them were serious about wanting to change, but the Party Mandarins (I like that description) don’t want change. They don’t want anything to interfere with their cushy little roles in the Machinery of the State.


  56. 56 | November 20, 2012 9:55 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    A lot of shit is going to being happening in the next 4 years, so Who Knows?

    Something I actually agree with you on. The next four years are going to be momentous.


  57. bluliner10
    58 | November 20, 2012 9:58 am

    @ Rodan:
    Democracy is Mob Rules. Worked pretty damn good in the middle east. Just depends who controls the mob.


  58. 59 | November 20, 2012 9:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    but the Party Mandarins

    I am going to use that term! The GOP Establishment is Socialist. That is why they support candidate like Bush or Santorum. They use Social issues to keep Conservative votes, while perusing Socialist economic polices. hence why they probably will push for a Jeb Bush/Huckabee ticket.


  59. 60 | November 20, 2012 10:02 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Democracy is Mob Rules. Worked pretty damn good in the middle east. Just depends who controls the mob.

    That is why I cringe when I fear politicians support Democracy. A constitutional Republic.

    SO what do you think of the premise of my thread that the Dems will run a Black/Lesbian ticket in 2016? I wish iw as joking but I fear they will try to do that.


  60. 61 | November 20, 2012 10:03 am

    @ Rodan:

    I got the term from one of our threads. I think it was one of Speranza’s. We’ve not ran a real conservative since Reagan (and some revisionists like to claim that Reagan wasn’t really a conservative). Moderates have failed us every time. Bush was barely elected, and only then because he had weak opponents. Obama would have cleaned his clock in 2000.


  61. 62 | November 20, 2012 10:03 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    It might might be a Hillary Clinton/Elizabeth Warren, vs Jeb Bush/Susannah Martinez ticket, if I was predicting today. A lot of shit is going to being happening in the next 4 years, so Who Knows?

    You have to admit a Deval Patrick (Black)/ Tammy Baldwin (Lesbian) Ticket would be for viable for you side. It gives you the media and you can cry racism and homophobia. I would run this ticket if I were you guys.


  62. bluliner10
    63 | November 20, 2012 10:08 am

    @ Rodan:
    Spot on, image over substance yet again. Just be curious to see what kind of nation we will be then.


  63. 64 | November 20, 2012 10:09 am

    @ Rodan:

    The only thing I question is the lesbian thing. Gays are less than 4% of the population, and while the general population is more gay friendly than it was 20 years ago, I’d say that the average American doesn’t want their daughter to grow up to be a lesbian or, more especially their son to grow up to be gay. If there is a genetic component to homosexuality and scientists discover it, look for people (especially in the black community) to seek testing for their unborn children and terminate them if they are gay, just as people most usually do to Downs Syndrome babies now. In that environment, I think having a lesbian running mate will be a liability. Maybe not so much a liability that having a Black as the candidate won’t overcome it (blacks will vote pretty solidly behind a black despite the black community’s aversion to homosexuals), but a liability nonetheless. Now having a woman VP might be on the plate, but that’s been tried twice and failed twice. I don’t know that the Democrats will be willing to risk it.


  64. 65 | November 20, 2012 10:11 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Spot on, image over substance yet again. Just be curious to see what kind of nation we will be then.

    The sad part is this ticket would probably win. I started doing thuis thread as a joke, but as I kept writing I realized that this is probably the Dem plan.


  65. 66 | November 20, 2012 10:11 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Just be curious to see what kind of nation we will be then.

    A broker nation than we are now, and at $16 trillion in debt we are already the brokest broke losers in history (I credit Mark Steyn for the appellation). Broke, but not yet collapsed. That’s how we’ll be in 2016.


  66. 67 | November 20, 2012 10:12 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Under normal circumstances I would agree with you. But its become socially unacceptable to dislike the gay lifestyle. So to prove their “tolerance” people may well vote for a Lesbian. It makes them feel better about themselves.

    I wish I was joking but I fear this will be the Dem plan.


  67. bluliner10
    68 | November 20, 2012 10:14 am

    @ Rodan:
    It is entirely possible that this ticket would be a difficult challenge in normal times. But, I contend that we have not even begun to see the damage this current administration will cause. I can only hope that 2016 we get a real leader.


  68. 69 | November 20, 2012 10:15 am

    @ bluliner10:

    Maybe Charles Johnson will shift back to the Right and run as the GOP nominee to save this nation!

    :lol:


  69. 70 | November 20, 2012 10:17 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Democracy is Mob Rules. Worked pretty damn good in the middle east. Just depends who controls the mob.

    It worked pretty well here on Nov 6 as well.


  70. bluliner10
    71 | November 20, 2012 10:20 am

    @ Rodan:
    I am still scheming on how I win the Asian vote, I forgot key number 1 even more important than my Asian knowledge. My wife is Thai. Then I speak Korean and Tagalog. My wife’s daughter is married to a black, the grandchildren are half black, so I am winning the disparate elements of the electorate now.


  71. theoutsider
    72 | November 20, 2012 10:20 am

    @ Rodan:
    Not really. Neither of them have a chance in 2016. If Kerry becomes SOS or DOD, Scott Brown has a path back to the Senate.


  72. 73 | November 20, 2012 10:21 am

    @ Rodan:

    Maybe this will give you some hope:

    The possibility of Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) running for president in 2016 is sending tremors of excitement through Republicans and provoking concern among Democrats.

    After all, it’s only two weeks out from Election Day, when Republicans found themselves disappointed by Mitt Romney’s failure to win the White House.

    But Rubio’s recent schedule of events — a stop in Iowa, the first caucus state, and a big interview with GQ magazine — has them optimistic about the future.

    The freshman senator has a rare range of assets: He is from the largest of the battleground states; he is young, charismatic and a powerful orator; his life story involves no silver spoons; and, most obviously, he would be the first Hispanic American to be a serious candidate for the Oval Office.

    “We need to have more diverse faces in the Republican Party,” said GOP strategist Ron Bonjean. “When you look at the faces at President Obama’s rallies, and you look at the faces at Republican rallies, we do need to do a better job at appealing to all Americans.”

    I read a good article by VDH this morning on the rise of the new tribalism. There is no doubt that racisim is alive and well today. It just cloaks itself as “diversity”, but the sterotyping and grouping people together by superficial indicies is still the same.


  73. waldensianspirit
    74 | November 20, 2012 10:24 am

    Eric Holder, the gun wielding anarchist, stays in power


  74. 75 | November 20, 2012 10:30 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The fact Rubio is in turn with the popular culture scares the Democrats. They can’t paint him as uncool and not hip! I think Rubio will have harder time winning the GOP nomination that a general election due to the Establishment and birthers. My dream ticket would be Marco Rubio/Rand Paul.

    As for that VDH article, he nails it! This is the money quote:

    Ours is now instead a Galadriel’s mirror of the Balkans, of India’s castes, of Rwanda, but no longer of a multiracial melting-pot America, where our allegiances were to be political, economic, and cultural and not necessarily synonymous with how we looked.

    I have been saying progressiveness are trying to create a caste system.


  75. 76 | November 20, 2012 10:31 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Why wouldn’t the Democrats nominate another Black man. Look how much political good Obama has done you. The media shields him and any criticism is silenced with cries of racism.

    Your side would be stupid not to run a Deval Patrick/Tammy Baldwin ticket.


  76. lobo91
    77 | November 20, 2012 10:32 am

    @ Rodan:

    Of course, all this presumes that there will be a 2016 election, or, for that matter, a country to hold one.


  77. ferb123
    78 | November 20, 2012 10:33 am

    my guess for 2016 race

    Hillary Clinton/Deval Patrick
    vs
    Condoleezza Rice/Rob Portman

    :)


  78. waldensianspirit
    79 | November 20, 2012 10:34 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Of course, all this presumes that there will be a 2016 election, or, for that matter, a country to hold one.

    There definitely won’t be a currency. Not one we know of


  79. lobo91
    80 | November 20, 2012 10:38 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Of course, all this presumes that there will be a 2016 election, or, for that matter, a country to hold one.

    There definitely won’t be a currency. Not one we know of

    We’ll all be on food stamps.


  80. waldensianspirit
    81 | November 20, 2012 10:39 am

    @ ferb123:
    Enjoying your Obama freebies and handouts? Life is grand for parasites isn’t it.


  81. 82 | November 20, 2012 10:42 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Of course, all this presumes that there will be a 2016 election, or, for that matter, a country to hold one.

    There might be an “election” but I never said it would be a real election! :wink: Think Venezuela!

    To be fair, you actually came up with the idea of a Deval Patrick/Tammy Baldwin ticket. I wish we were joking about this, but the Democrats will probably pull this.


  82. theoutsider
    83 | November 20, 2012 10:43 am

    @ Rodan:
    An Identity Ticket? You think that sort of identity ticket draws voters?


  83. 84 | November 20, 2012 10:43 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    Enjoying your Obama freebies and handouts? Life is grand for parasites isn’t it.

    He’s not American.


  84. ferb123
    85 | November 20, 2012 10:44 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    Enjoying your Obama freebies and handouts? Life is grand for parasites isn’t it.

    hey, you are just jelous. Why you didnt follow my advise 3 weeks ago and lso bet 5 millions dollars on Obama?


  85. heysoos
    86 | November 20, 2012 10:44 am

    the Stupid Twins are here, the Free Shit Army


  86. 87 | November 20, 2012 10:44 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    An Identity Ticket? You think that sort of identity ticket draws voters?

    It worked with Obama being Black. Just imagine a Black Man and a Lesbian. it would be tough to beat. People will think its cool voting for a Black guy and a Lesbian.

    All Democrats will say is that you are racist and homophobe for not voting for them.


  87. 89 | November 20, 2012 10:45 am

    @ ferb123:

    Hillary is an ugly hag. The Democrats will have another Black guy at the top of the ticket. It works, why not do it again.


  88. waldensianspirit
    90 | November 20, 2012 10:46 am

    @ Rodan:
    They should run Rachel Maddow!


  89. 91 | November 20, 2012 10:47 am

    heysoos wrote:

    the Stupid Twins are here, the Free Shit Army

    If the Republicans would think out of the box, they would run a female porn star and an athlete in 2016. That is the only way to defeat a Deval Patrick/Tammy Baldwin ticket.


  90. 92 | November 20, 2012 10:47 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I have been saying progressiveness are trying to create a caste system.

    Indeed you have, and you can see it developing before your very eyes. Even to resist it is called “RAAAAACISM”. Pointing it out isn’t something to be done. But it is there, not subtly. Have you seen that they are calling the questioning of Susan Rice “RAAAAACISM”? I didn’t even know she was black, but the racialists go with the “one-drop” rule for determining who is black. So being black, she is above being questioned. I guess racism is just fine as long as the right race is being discriminated against. You are supposed to look at the color of their skin, not judge them on the content of their character.


  91. 93 | November 20, 2012 10:47 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    They should run Rachel Maddow!

    They might, I would if I were them. A Black-Lesbian ticket would be practically invincible.


  92. waldensianspirit
    94 | November 20, 2012 10:48 am

    Rodan wrote:

    He’s not American.

    Yea but Bernanke sends the printed dough far and wide. And the UN is going to start taxing us


  93. 95 | November 20, 2012 10:49 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    That’s why this thread which I started as joke I realized the Dems will try this. A Black/Lesbian ticket. You are raaaaacist and a homooooophobe will be there cry.

    It works, why would they not do it.


  94. ferb123
    96 | November 20, 2012 10:52 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    Hillary is an ugly hag. The Democrats will have another Black guy at the top of the ticket. It works, why not do it again.

    I think democrats will run a woman in 2016. If not Hillary than maybe Warren or Gillibrand.


  95. 97 | November 20, 2012 10:54 am

    Rodan wrote:

    It works, why would they not do it.

    The woman as VP thing has been tried twice and failed twice. I don’t think the Democrats are going to feel that confident going into 2016. The economy will be a shambles, foreign policy will be worse, and America will be in serious decline. Besides, it is hard to win a third consecutive term for your party. Historically, the odds aren’t very good, and the Dems want to hang on to power. No, I think you are spot on with a black as the Presidential Candidate, but I think they’ll go with a hispanic as VP.


  96. 98 | November 20, 2012 11:00 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I read a good article by VDH this morning on the rise of the new tribalism. There is no doubt that racisim is alive and well today. It just cloaks itself as “diversity”, but the sterotyping and grouping people together by superficial indicies is still the same.

    Personally, I think if Republicans intend to play the game of pandering to all of the various genders, races and ethnicities as do the Democrats, we’re doomed from the start. The Republican National convention could be comprised of solely of women, gay/lesbian blacks and transgender Mexicans in pink sombreros and we’d still be called the “party of exclusion”.

    We need to market our message and that’s traditionally been one of economic prosperity borne out of free-market capitalism, smaller, less intrusive government, and a strong national defense. These are uniting principles, while those of the Democrats are inherently divisive. We need to lose the preachy SoCon vibe and promote a new generation of messenger, but most of our message is what it has always been.

    Then again, as a country, we have our heads so far up our asses that all of this might be as pointless as deciding what we’re going to be buried in.


  97. Guggi
    99 | November 20, 2012 11:01 am

    Rodan wrote:

    If the Republicans would think out of the box, they would run a female porn star and an athlete in 2016. That is the only way to defeat a Deval Patrick/Tammy Baldwin ticket

    :-)


  98. theoutsider
    100 | November 20, 2012 11:03 am

    @ Rodan:
    Any thoughts about who might run against Lindsey Graham in 2014? I think a lot of people would DONATE.


  99. heysoos
    101 | November 20, 2012 11:04 am

    @ MacDuff:
    I have to agree with you…the numbers of stupid, moronic democrats is probably overwhelming….the Free Shit Apes run and the Free Shit Monkeys scream and chatter and vote for their burgers and flatscreens…they are simps, you cannot expect any sort of reality…they have no dignity left, they just line up like cattle at feeding time


  100. 102 | November 20, 2012 11:05 am

    @ theoutsider:

    After the Murdoch fiasco, no one will. Ms. Lindsey is safe.


  101. 103 | November 20, 2012 11:06 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    If it was a normal female I would agree. But a Lesbian is in a category all by itself. It would make them look “cool and hip.”

    What we do agree on is that Deval Patrick will probably be the Democratic nominee.


  102. 104 | November 20, 2012 11:07 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Tim Scott would be a good cadidate. He has solid conservative credentials, and he’d be, I think, the only black in the Senate right now. At least I can’t think of anyone who is black that is a Senator right now.


  103. 105 | November 20, 2012 11:08 am

    New Thread.


  104. 106 | November 20, 2012 11:29 am

    Well, I’ve been out of pocket since last a week ago Sunday when my father died. It’s been a real drag. He was an incredible man that overcame seemingly unsurmountable obstacles. He had a very rough childhood where his mother divorced a fairly wealthy man and then shacked up with one of the very few black men in Nampa, Idaho. He moved out and lived on his own from age 14, living in a hotel and washing dishes for his room and still graduated High School with his class in ’49. He served in the navy in Korea as a seaman 1st class and a rescue swimmer, rescued several downed pilots in the freezing China Sea, but never attended boot camp. He lost his leg after taking 40,000 volts in a work accident, then went on to get a master’s degree in entomology. Following his electrocution, he endured over 200 sugeries to repair the burn damages. With a wooden prothsesis he hunted all over Pakistan and Afghanistan for several years to collect and identify fleas and other parasites for USAID and the University of Maryland. He married the prettiest girl in Payette, Idaho in ’52, then went on to have 7 children, all raised well and educated. They celebrated their 60th anniversary in September. He was an avid hunter and fisherman who built his own flyrods and tied his own flies and reloaded his own ammunition. He hunted and fished all over North America including Alaska several times. On his last day of life, at age 82, he went to church with his wife and a daughter. He mentioned he started to feel poorly and went home early by himself, felt worse, called 911. When they arrived he was unconscious and died about 5 minutes after he arrived at the hospital. He had an aneurysm burst just below his heart, which probably happened while at church. Quick death and very little suffering, except that he had been in constant pain since 1953.

    I always felt like my dad could whip anyone else’s dad, shoot better, fish better and was smarter.

    Thanks Dad.


  105. 107 | November 20, 2012 11:35 am

    @ father_of_10:

    Wow, what a touching and humbling story of triumph over adversity. My heartfelt condolences for your loss.


  106. 108 | November 20, 2012 11:41 am

    @ father_of_10:

    My condolences. It sounds like he lived a full life.


  107. Prebanned
    109 | November 20, 2012 12:21 pm

    @ father_of_10:
    My condolences for the passing of your father. What a good hero for You to have. We need more like Him.


  108. buzzsawmonkey
    110 | November 20, 2012 12:40 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    May his soul be elevated.


  109. huckfunn
    111 | November 20, 2012 12:55 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I always felt like my dad could whip anyone else’s dad, shoot better, fish better and was smarter.

    Thanks Dad.

    Condolences to you and your family. That was a great tribute.


  110. bluliner10
    112 | November 20, 2012 12:58 pm

    @ father_of_10:
    Sorry for your loss. Sounds like a hell of a man.


  111. Lily
    113 | November 20, 2012 2:26 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    I’m very sorry for your loss..may God shed His everlasting Light upon your father’s soul and may God comfort your family in you and their time of grief. So sorry to hear this.


  112. 114 | November 20, 2012 7:16 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    No, I think you are spot on with a black as the Presidential Candidate, but I think they’ll go with a hispanic as VP.

    And will said Demo☭rat Hispanic’s name be…Castro?


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