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Woulda, coulda, shoulda

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Filed under Cult of Obama, Guest Post, Media, Politics at November 20th, 2012 - 6:00 pm

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Guest post by: Mars!



Here we are in the midst of the standard post-election navel gazing that always seems to occur. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. What good does it do anyone to keep retreading all these same paths over and over again? Yes, discussion helps us to gain insight and paves the way to solutions, but the blame game does nothing but satisfy our enemies.

The number one question that keeps getting asked over and over again, what can we do to keep this from happening again? How can we engage the electorate by the time 2014 rolls around? This is not as impossible as they try to make this sound. There are people out there who will tell you it can’t happen. Well, guess what. These people are the solution. Our best bet right now is to gain control of the media. Instead of flushing money into PAC after PAC, we need to have our big money people start buying up these failing newspapers, get one of the big three alphabet networks, get their own entertainment channels. Music, movies, television, nothing should be out of question. There are a number of strong conservatives out there in all these areas, the problem is that they are spread amongst so many liberals their voices are not heard.

It turns out that I’m not the only one thinking these things. Here’s just a couple of articles that have popped up since I’ve been planning mine.

There We Went Again

While the right’s ability to access mass audiences has increased substantially in recent decades with the advent of talk radio, cable television, and the Internet, its audience reach is still tiny compared to the hundreds of millions who consume news generated by the liberal mainstream media.

It is true that the audience share of these supposedly objective outlets has decreased in recent years, but that hardly means they have lost their ability to persuade people, especially with working journalists now ever more willing to throw their self-styled proclamations of objectivity to the wind.

Or this one:
Uncool conservatives need to re-engage pop culture

Culture matters. It’s the fertile ground where political seeds are planted and votes harvested.

When ethnically diverse, Hollywood actress Stacey Dash tweeted in favor of Mitt Romney last month, conservatives flocked to her defense as the left besieged her with ugly and vicious taunts. Yet she shouldn’t have had to endure this concentrated rage. The reason a moderately successful actress became the focal point of a pop culture backlash is because there aren’t enough conservative celebrities to disperse the hate.

Conservatives know they’ve been routed in the pop culture wars, and judging by the intense embrace of the few celebrities in Hollywood that skew to the right, conservatives also understand the importance of victories on this turf. Various websites often run “Conservatives in Hollywood” slide shows because the creature is so rare (for the liberal version, just go to IMDb.com, the cast of any movie). Based on the intensity of leftist attacks on conservative celebrities, the left understands how important it is to defend this ground.

The cooler president won Romney kinda sorta got the pop culture gap when he declared he liked Snooki during his appearance on Live! With Kelly and Michael, but the objective isn’t to see the garbage in pop culture and yell, “Me too!” (and come across as phony in doing so). The object is to create your own culture and ridicule the absurdity of the existing culture. Most people like to feel clever, smart. In the know. Being in on a joke makes people feel good.

This isn’t going to be easy and it isn’t going to happen overnight. The fact remains we have ceded the media battleground. AM radio is our domain, it shouldn’t remain thus. Glenn Beck sees this his GBTV, now BlazeTV started as an internet channel and has now moved onto DISH network. Herman Cain has his own internet channel now called CainTV. This is a good start, but we aren’t going to get to the people on the middle unless we are in their face every night on one of the big three networks.

People have said over and over again, where is our Stephen Colbert? Well, I believe we have him or at least one person that can begin to get us some ground in that area.

Ladies and gentlemen presenting Alonzo Rachel.

Conservatives, Win the Culture and You Win the Country

And one that needs repeated over and over

For an even more sarcastic take on things we have Scott Ott

A very Colbert/Stewart kind of delivery.

There are more, the Politichicks at www.politichicks.tv, Victoria Jackson (formerly of SNL), Janine Turner, etc.

We also have the talent in the documentary business. Look at Dinesh D’souza, Mike Wilson, Alan Peterson, James O’ Keefe, and anyone Andrew Breitbart trained.

We have the talent, now we need the outlets. Feel free to discuss other people we could put forward. We need to hit everything, music, tv, movies, documentaries, and paper media. We have radio and we have books. (Conservative books consistently hit the top spots on the NYT Best Sellers list.)

And for everyone who asked for a ringtone, here’s a couple MP3′s.

The Warrior Song

The stuff is out there. Now to get it where people can see and here it. And add to it, build our label. The product will sell, it’s the medium we are using that isn’t working.

-Mars

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158 Responses to “Woulda, coulda, shoulda”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | November 20, 2012 6:39 pm

    We lost, we need not get into conspiracy theories. Too many fools looked at the past four years and said to themselves “Hey I’d like another”.


  2. waldensianspirit
  3. Mars
    4 | November 20, 2012 7:13 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    We lost, we need not get into conspiracy theories. Too many fools looked at the past four years and said to themselves “Hey I’d like another”.

    WTF where did I promote a conspiracy theory? What part of we need to get some media control is a freaking conspiracy?


  4. waldensianspirit
    5 | November 20, 2012 7:15 pm

    @ Mars:
    My guess that was in agreement


  5. Mars
    6 | November 20, 2012 7:20 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Mars:
    My guess that was in agreement

    Ok, I’m just a little tired today. Sorry speranza, I misread it.


  6. Lily
    7 | November 20, 2012 7:24 pm

    Excellent post Mars…yes the media is a huge problem..it is just mind-boggling how many people still believe it.


  7. 8 | November 20, 2012 7:31 pm

    Right, as well start boning up on how to win and where. First, “How to take back your government” Second for fun, Expanded Universe for some good essays and how to “play them out with music”.

    We have culture, we just have to learn to use it to the maximum effect.


  8. Mars
    9 | November 20, 2012 7:31 pm

    BTW I apologize, some of the formatting for this article did not come out right. Several portions are not my own writing, they are quotes from the article.


  9. Lily
    10 | November 20, 2012 7:31 pm

    I think Zonation hit on something you kept hearing “fairness” instead of “freedom” out of the democrats…”Freedom” from Romney…apparently “freedom” doesn’t hit the note it should with Americans. They will know the definition again though when they don’t have it.


  10. Mars
    11 | November 20, 2012 7:31 pm

    @ Mars:
    articles linked.


  11. Lily
    12 | November 20, 2012 7:33 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    Hey PaladinPhil…the culture we have is swirling down the toilet. When every thing is okay and nothing is wrong we have a problem.
    Oh wait…turkeys need civil rights now ….yep that is what I call hitting nearly rock bottom.


  12. brookly red
    13 | November 20, 2012 7:33 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    We lost, we need not get into conspiracy theories. Too many fools looked at the past four years and said to themselves “Hey I’d like another”.

    very true but I can’t help but wonder just how many of them were not legally eligible to vote?
    granted it might not have been enough to change things but even 1 is 1 too many.


  13. waldensianspirit
    14 | November 20, 2012 7:38 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Obama’s gonna send his pizza nazis after you!


  14. brookly red
    15 | November 20, 2012 7:47 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Obama’s gonna send his pizza nazis after you!

    oh pluuuuze the don’t even pretend anymore… http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/20/illinois-moves-grant-licenses-illegal-immigrants/


  15. Speranza
    16 | November 20, 2012 7:48 pm

    Mars wrote:

    WTF where did I promote a conspiracy theory? What part of we need to get some media control is a freaking conspiracy?

    I was not referring to you. I was making a general comment. Chill.


  16. waldensianspirit
    17 | November 20, 2012 7:49 pm

    China Will Build the Tallest Building In the World in Just 90 Days (Updated)

    That’s 5 floors a day!

    What are you going to do, Trumka?


  17. Mars
    18 | November 20, 2012 7:51 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    WTF where did I promote a conspiracy theory? What part of we need to get some media control is a freaking conspiracy?
    I was not referring to you. I was making a general comment. Chill.

    Yep, got that belatedly.


  18. Mars
    19 | November 20, 2012 7:53 pm

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/growing-narrative-dem-rep-says-attacks-on-susan-rice-really-just-a-racist-witch-hunt/

    More from our enemies the media. Also contains proof MSLSD is corrupt all the way to the top.


  19. brookly red
    20 | November 20, 2012 7:53 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    China Will Build the Tallest Building In the World in Just 90 Days (Updated)

    big deal, all they have to do is pile up our IOUs…


  20. Lily
    21 | November 20, 2012 7:54 pm

    @ brookly red:

    You have to admit the media played a huge part in obama being re-elected. They pushed every lie there was about Romney and did everything they could to shore up obama. I mean there are people who thought obama is a centrist! For heavens sake! Romney was the radical.
    Don’t know how to reach these types of people but apparently they didn’t believe that:
    a. Obama is going to raise taxes
    b. Obama is going to really do some damage concerning our ability to create our own energy..no they don’t believe obama is going to shut down all those coal plants. Nor did they believe he is cutting down leases in the Gulf. When I told them just a few weeks ago 35 leases were cut in the Gulf..they didn’t believe me. Why? Hell if I know for one I live on the Gulf and told them well apparently you didn’t get the memo because even the newspapers were reporting the cuts in the leases.
    c. They honestly believe we need to pave the way on Global Warming and Green energy even though no other country is going to follow and pouring money we don’t have in these companies is not excatly a smart move when we don’t have the money to pour into them. But they think it’s a smart and good move..someone has to be guiding light to the world.
    d. They don’t believe obama did anything wrong concerning Benghazi…how they can believe that I honestly don’t know. If you critique obama for the Benghazi mess they say it’s like blaming George Bush for 9/11 and if you bring up facts like D.C. was watching this unfold in real time via drone..they say no one can know that..same they say when you mention the many times the embassy asked for more security …no one knows that!!!!!!!!
    e. They think obamacare is good..never mind where the money comes from to fund it. It’s going to be good. Uhmmmmm..I say get back to me in a year.
    f. They honestly thought there was a “war on women”. How? Beats the hell out of me.
    g. Romney ran a really negative campaign
    h. The Republican propaganda was getting on their nerves (no they didn’t look into anything that was being said..because a bunch of people said obama was going to take our guns and guess what they say we still have guns [uhmm it certainly wasn't from lack of trying and oh obama is still going to go after that in his second term.]
    i. Obama really cared more about the American people than Romney did. Okay how they think obama cares more is beyond me.
    j. They know little to nothing about Fast and Furious
    k. They think obama can’t get anything done because it’s the Republican’s fault…whoa nelly…it’s obama who doesn’t want to work with the Republicans but nevermind that..they will believe what they want to believe.

    Now if you notice I didn’t mention anything about “free stuff” …I’m talking about the obama voter who is working and doesn’t want free stuff.


  21. Speranza
    22 | November 20, 2012 7:54 pm

    @ Mars:
    No problem.


  22. brookly red
  23. waldensianspirit
    24 | November 20, 2012 7:56 pm

    An update on the low turnout myth:

    Yesterday, I wrote that Romney only lagged McCain by about 250K votes (as compared to Obama 2012, who came 6 million votes short of his 2008 total). Well, Romney’s numbers are now larger than McCain’s — by about 10,000 votes. And some California votes are still being counted.


  24. brookly red
    25 | November 20, 2012 7:57 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    You have to admit the media played a huge part in obama being re-elected.

    Of course they did, throw out your TV and let them starve.


  25. Mars
    26 | November 20, 2012 7:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/growing-narrative-dem-rep-says-attacks-on-susan-rice-really-just-a-racist-witch-hunt/
    /well she is a racist witch…

    Heh.

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    An update on the low turnout myth:
    Yesterday, I wrote that Romney only lagged McCain by about 250K votes (as compared to Obama 2012, who came 6 million votes short of his 2008 total). Well, Romney’s numbers are now larger than McCain’s — by about 10,000 votes. And some California votes are still being counted.

    Thats some very interesting info. Once again we have been lied to. By people on our own side too.

    Keep in mind, one of the reason my wish list up there probably will never happen is simple. The elites in the republican party are just as dedicated to the status quo as the dems are dedicated to destruction.


  26. buzzsawmonkey
    27 | November 20, 2012 8:00 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Hey, brookly—did you see my post earlier about the Obamacare provisions that are going to impact pizzerias?


  27. Mars
    28 | November 20, 2012 8:01 pm

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fk-em-just-kill-yourself-kim-kardashian-jon-levitz-face-backlash-death-wishes-for-defending-israel/

    Another reason we need control of the media. Read the comments given to Kardashian and Lovitz at your own risk. They are bad.


  28. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | November 20, 2012 8:01 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Obama is going to raise taxes

    Seems to have been a big shock to Susan Estrogen.


  29. Lily
    30 | November 20, 2012 8:05 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Obama is going to raise taxes

    Seems to have been a big shock to Susan Estrogen.

    It’s going to be a big shock to a lot of people who voted for obama for one obamacare is one massive tax.


  30. brookly red
    31 | November 20, 2012 8:06 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Hey, brookly—did you see my post earlier about the Obamacare provisions that are going to impact pizzerias?

    maybe they can just pull a Denney’s and add a surcharge…


  31. Mars
    32 | November 20, 2012 8:07 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Hey, brookly—did you see my post earlier about the Obamacare provisions that are going to impact pizzerias?

    It’s getting worse. I just heard Hobby Lobby (a christian company) has been ordered by a federal judge to offer the morning after pill as part of it’s health plan.


  32. Mars
    33 | November 20, 2012 8:10 pm

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/happy-violence-disease-land-theft-thanksgiving-msnbc-anchor-thinks-so//
    The press is the enemy. O’s reelection has given them permission to completely be themselves. Of course MSLSD doesn’t need permission.


  33. buzzsawmonkey
    34 | November 20, 2012 8:11 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fk-em-just-kill-yourself-kim-kardashian-jon-levitz-face-backlash-death-wishes-for-defending-israel/

    Another reason we need control of the media. Read the comments given to Kardashian and Lovitz at your own risk. They are bad.

    I note that even Jon Lovitz—who, I presume, is at least nominally Jewish—doesn’t seem to realize that Israel didn’t “buy the land in 1948.”

    The creation of modern Israel began, not in 1947-48, but in 1882, when the land was still part of the Ottoman Empire. Those first efforts at settlement mostly failed, but the effort got a big lift when Theodore Herzl started the more-organized Zionist movement after witnessing the outpouring of antisemitism by French mobs during the Dreyfus Affair (1894-96).

    Tel Aviv was founded by Jewish settlers in 1909. The Bezalel School of art was founded in the Land of Israel in 1906.

    The State of Israel had its foundations laid for some 60 years before the state actually came into being. And the state of Israel, itself, is no more than thirty years younger than all the other independent states in the region—and, indeed, older than some of them.

    The notion that Israel is the neighborhood upstart is utterly false—and too many pro-Israel partisans, alas, do not realize this.


  34. Lily
    35 | November 20, 2012 8:12 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fk-em-just-kill-yourself-kim-kardashian-jon-levitz-face-backlash-death-wishes-for-defending-israel/

    Another reason we need control of the media. Read the comments given to Kardashian and Lovitz at your own risk. They are bad.

    She folded like a house of cards when confronted. At least Jon defended himself..but he needs correction the land for Israel was bought before 1948 if I remember correctly.


  35. buzzsawmonkey
    36 | November 20, 2012 8:13 pm

    Lily wrote:

    the land for Israel was bought before 1948 if I remember correctly.

    See my #34.


  36. Mars
    37 | November 20, 2012 8:13 pm

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbc-anchor-tells-israeli-ambassador-hamas-rockets-rarely-do-damage/
    Press drone dares to tell Israeli ambassador how to defend themselves, or not for that matter.

    If MSLDS is considered a “legitimate” news network why is Fox ridiculed?

    They have to have the ability to frame the conversation removed.


  37. brookly red
    38 | November 20, 2012 8:14 pm

    Mars wrote:

    It’s getting worse. I just heard Hobby Lobby (a christian company) has been ordered by a federal judge to offer the morning after pill as part of it’s health plan.

    it’s a shame those pills don’t work on elections…


  38. Mars
    39 | November 20, 2012 8:15 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ Lily:
    Kardashian is a well known lightweight.

    Lovitz tried, but when this stuff isn’t taught anymore and the press doesn’t talk about it. (Has anyone here seen a History Channel program on the founding of Israel? I haven’t yet. It may have been done, but it sure hasn’t been rerun.)


  39. waldensianspirit
    40 | November 20, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Or Ann Dunham wasn’t a part of a pilot study and not in the placebo part either


  40. brookly red
    41 | November 20, 2012 8:17 pm

    Mars wrote:

    They have to have the ability to frame the conversation removed.

    throw out your TV, and let them starve. I am serious don’t complain unless you are willing to do what needs to be done.


  41. waldensianspirit
    42 | November 20, 2012 8:18 pm

    I can’t throw out the tv. Haven’t had one for 26 years


  42. brookly red
    43 | November 20, 2012 8:19 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    I can’t throw out the tv. Haven’t had one for 26 years

    right fucking on


  43. Lily
    44 | November 20, 2012 8:20 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Just read it. I remember that the land was bought before WWI and you stated that is so. At least my memory isn’t going. ;)


  44. buzzsawmonkey
    45 | November 20, 2012 8:20 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    I can’t throw out the tv. Haven’t had one for 26 years

    San Francisco will be happy to send you a TV, or a nudist, or an inflated-scrotum man.


  45. Lily
    46 | November 20, 2012 8:22 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ Lily:
    Kardashian is a well known lightweight.

    Lovitz tried, but when this stuff isn’t taught anymore and the press doesn’t talk about it. (Has anyone here seen a History Channel program on the founding of Israel? I haven’t yet. It may have been done, but it sure hasn’t been rerun.)

    There is a documentary on the founding of Israel but you will have to buy it..it certainly isn’t on the History Channel or any channel for that fact on the TV.


  46. Mars
    47 | November 20, 2012 8:23 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    They have to have the ability to frame the conversation removed.
    throw out your TV, and let them starve. I am serious don’t complain unless you are willing to do what needs to be done.

    They won’t starve. The middle will support them and we will continue to lose.

    We have to take the battle to their battleground. I’ve detailed what needs to happen.

    As their insanity continues it becomes more vital we take some of the MSM for our own. Eventually we can have enough that we can’t be marginalized. Especially if we control one of the alphabet networks.

    Pulling our head into our shells cedes the argument and allows them eternal domination.


  47. Lily
    48 | November 20, 2012 8:25 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    They have to have the ability to frame the conversation removed.
    throw out your TV, and let them starve. I am serious don’t complain unless you are willing to do what needs to be done.

    They won’t starve. The middle will support them and we will continue to lose.

    We have to take the battle to their battleground. I’ve detailed what needs to happen.

    As their insanity continues it becomes more vital we take some of the MSM for our own. Eventually we can have enough that we can’t be marginalized. Especially if we control one of the alphabet networks.

    Pulling our head into our shells cedes the argument and allows them eternal domination.

    No they will not starve….plus it is handy to know what the propaganda is so you can at least refute it. Otherwise you can’t counter-attack the lies and misinformation.


  48. waldensianspirit
    49 | November 20, 2012 8:26 pm


  49. brookly red
    50 | November 20, 2012 8:27 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Pulling our head into our shells cedes the argument and allows them eternal domination.

    if 50 million people cancelled their cable subscriptions it would end their domination.

    If you are not part of the solution…


  50. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | November 20, 2012 8:27 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I remember that the land was bought before WWI and you stated that is so. At least my memory isn’t going.

    Land was purchased for the purpose of eventually creating the State of Israel right up to independence. Much of the land in what is now Israel was owned by Arab sheikhs who were absentee landlords, and who were happy to soak those stupid would-be settlers by selling them arid land or malarial swampland.

    The settlers planted eucalyptus trees to drain the swamps, and invented drip irrigation to make the arid land productive.

    Many of the “Palestinians” who yap about “their land” which their fathers worked were, in fact, families of serfs or tenant farmers who did not own the land they worked, by the way.

    BTW, for what it’s worth, my family and I went to Israel in 1961 (back when Jordan still held the Old City) and stayed with friends of my parents in Jerusalem. The house they now own was, back then, rented from the Arab owner. They were not able to purchase it until the mid-’70s. It’s a magnificent house, by the way; 14-foot ceilings, balconies on all four sides, a small bit of land—anyone who has been to Jerusalem knows what a prize such a place is.


  51. waldensianspirit
    52 | November 20, 2012 8:30 pm

    @ brookly red:
    At the least be able to pick only the channels paid for instead of how they are lumped together. Hopefully new media will soon remedy that


  52. brookly red
    53 | November 20, 2012 8:31 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    /oh look! that one came from a school yard in Gaza… Ooooh and that one came from the orphanage…


  53. Lily
    54 | November 20, 2012 8:31 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    Pulling our head into our shells cedes the argument and allows them eternal domination.

    if 50 million people cancelled their cable subscriptions it would end their domination.

    If you are not part of the solution…

    That’s just not going to happen…ever. Unrealistic. So if that isn’t going to happen what is plan B?


  54. Mars
    55 | November 20, 2012 8:32 pm

    Also, Red Dawn comes out tomorrow. I’ve talked to some of the people online who had input into that film. Unless they are filling me with bs, it’s going to be a pretty damn patriotic film. (Probably not as good as the original though). Just so everyone knows it was originally supposed to be China as the aggressors in the new film. They sent troops to the US to defend their investments.

    The writers also wrote the game Homefront. Watch this video and tell me they are any fans of O policies.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4L40TdPlkk

    Doubt this will work. For some reason I have lost the ability to grab embed URL’s from youtube/


  55. brookly red
    56 | November 20, 2012 8:32 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    At the least be able to pick only the channels paid for instead of how they are lumped together. Hopefully new media will soon remedy that

    and not buying their sponsors products helps, but only if you e-mail them and tell them why.


  56. Mars
    57 | November 20, 2012 8:34 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    At the least be able to pick only the channels paid for instead of how they are lumped together. Hopefully new media will soon remedy that

    I’ve taken a couple surveys this year. That is actually something that the satellite and cable providers are considering now. A pay per channel package instead of these stupid package deals.

    So, someone like me would never even have to see all these damn sports channels or leftist news channels, or Oprahs network.


  57. Lily
    58 | November 20, 2012 8:35 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Oh but wait…if Israel defends itself OMG! THEY ARE KILLING CHILDREN!!
    /////////
    Sickening the way the news is reported in this country of ours.


  58. brookly red
    59 | November 20, 2012 8:36 pm

    Lily wrote:

    That’s just not going to happen…ever. Unrealistic. So if that isn’t going to happen what is plan B?

    there is no plan B you accept defeat or fight to the death.


  59. CynicalConservative
    60 | November 20, 2012 8:40 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Dumped it a year ago, never looked back.

    /galt


  60. Lily
    61 | November 20, 2012 8:40 pm

    @ Mars:

    The link worked…is Homefront a movie???


  61. Mars
    62 | November 20, 2012 8:41 pm

    It is far more realistic that with pressure we can get some of our big money people in the party to put money into buying failing papers and grab a mainstream network, than it is to dream that somehow out of the blue 50 million people are going to give up television. Also boycotts aren’t particularly effective and aren’t really a tactic we use. I much prefer buycotts.


  62. brookly red
    63 | November 20, 2012 8:41 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Oh but wait…if Israel defends itself OMG! THEY ARE KILLING CHILDREN!!
    /////////
    Sickening the way the news is reported in this country of ours.

    /actually I support our funding of Planned Parenthood in Gaza… I mean those poor people shouldn’t be punished with children.


  63. brookly red
    64 | November 20, 2012 8:42 pm

    CynicalConservative wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Dumped it a year ago, never looked back.

    /galt

    right fucking on


  64. Lily
    65 | November 20, 2012 8:43 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    That’s just not going to happen…ever. Unrealistic. So if that isn’t going to happen what is plan B?

    there is no plan B you accept defeat or fight to the death.

    Defeat isn’t an option. So …there is always a Plan B.


  65. Mars
    66 | November 20, 2012 8:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    The link worked…is Homefront a movie???

    Actually it’s a game. But a lot of the elements in it will be in the new version of Red Dawn that releases tomorrow.

    (By the way anyone know what happens when the bad guys in your film are the Chinese? China buys out your distributor, demands you change the enemy, and then shelves your movie for several years hoping you’ll just drop the whole thing.)


  66. Lily
    67 | November 20, 2012 8:47 pm

    @ Mars:

    So in the new Red Dawn it’s the North Koreans who are the enemy? Funny because the North Koreans are so under-fed that I doubt they could take over South Korea.


  67. brookly red
    68 | November 20, 2012 8:47 pm

    Mars wrote:

    It is far more realistic that with pressure we can get some of our big money people in the party to put money into buying failing papers and grab a mainstream network, than it is to dream that somehow out of the blue 50 million people are going to give up television. Also boycotts aren’t particularly effective and aren’t really a tactic we use. I much prefer buycotts.

    look if you can’t live without them it’s OK, I understand… Me? if they want me to let them into my home they can go to hell.


  68. brookly red
    69 | November 20, 2012 8:49 pm

    Lily wrote:

    So in the new Red Dawn it’s the North Koreans who are the enemy? Funny because the North Koreans are so under-fed that I doubt they could take over South Korea.

    Oh no? the south has food, can you think of a better motivator ?


  69. Lily
    70 | November 20, 2012 8:54 pm

    You know I really, really are not happy with the fools that voted this fool back into office. Turkeys deserve their civil rights and now this…insanity.

    Obama Labor Departments Observes “Transgender Day Of Remembrance”…

    The U.S. Department of Labor is officially observing Nov. 20 as “The Transgender Day of Remembrance.”

    “The Transgender Day of Remembrance [TDOR] will be commemorated in cities and countries around the world today, reflecting on those who have died as a result of fear, hate and transphobia,” Labor Secretary Hilda Solis said in a statement on Tuesday.

    “I stand proudly today–and every day–as an ally to the transgender community and to every person and family impacted by anti-transgender bullying and violence,” she said. “Transgender people are part of the diversity that America celebrates today and they, like every American, deserve to live without fear of prejudice or violence.”

    “I hope that this year’s commemoration will serve as an opportunity to shine a brighter light on both progress made and the challenges ahead,” Solis said.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/20/obama-labor-departments-observes-transgender-day-of-remembrance/


  70. brookly red
    71 | November 20, 2012 8:54 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    The link worked…is Homefront a movie???

    Actually it’s a game. But a lot of the elements in it will be in the new version of Red Dawn that releases tomorrow.

    (By the way anyone know what happens when the bad guys in your film are the Chinese? China buys out your distributor, demands you change the enemy, and then shelves your movie for several years hoping you’ll just drop the whole thing.)

    and knowing this you will still buy the game?


  71. Lily
    72 | November 20, 2012 8:55 pm

    @ Lily:

    PIMF…AM NOT HAPPY
    /darn keyboard.


  72. Lily
    73 | November 20, 2012 8:56 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    So in the new Red Dawn it’s the North Koreans who are the enemy? Funny because the North Koreans are so under-fed that I doubt they could take over South Korea.

    Oh no? the south has food, can you think of a better motivator ?

    True it might be a good motivator…but the problem is the South is well fed so they already have an edge on the Norks.


  73. brookly red
    74 | November 20, 2012 8:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    The U.S. Department of Labor is officially observing Nov. 20 as “The Transgender Day of Remembrance.”

    /”don’t it always seem to go that you don’t know what you got till it’s gone?”


  74. Lily
    75 | November 20, 2012 8:58 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I think he is talking about the Red Dawn movie not the game Homefront.


  75. Mars
    76 | November 20, 2012 8:58 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    The link worked…is Homefront a movie???
    Actually it’s a game. But a lot of the elements in it will be in the new version of Red Dawn that releases tomorrow.
    (By the way anyone know what happens when the bad guys in your film are the Chinese? China buys out your distributor, demands you change the enemy, and then shelves your movie for several years hoping you’ll just drop the whole thing.)

    and knowing this you will still buy the game?

    Not the game, the movie. Personally I can’t afford a movie. But regardless of China owning the company now, it’s still supposed to patriotic.

    @ Lily:
    Yeah, not sure how the Norks are the villains in the movie. In the Homefront game it took them a long time to become a world power. And took many years of Obama type policies to turn us third world. (Economic collapse, disintegration of the infrastructure, etc.)


  76. lobo91
    77 | November 20, 2012 8:59 pm

    @ Lily:

    Transgender people are part of the diversity that America celebrates today and they, like every American, deserve to live without fear of prejudice or violence.”

    According to whom?

    Sorry, but left-wing bureaucrats don’t get to tell Americans what to “celebrate.”


  77. Lily
    78 | November 20, 2012 8:59 pm

    @ brookly red:


  78. brookly red
    79 | November 20, 2012 9:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    So in the new Red Dawn it’s the North Koreans who are the enemy? Funny because the North Koreans are so under-fed that I doubt they could take over South Korea.

    Oh no? the south has food, can you think of a better motivator ?

    True it might be a good motivator…but the problem is the South is well fed so they already have an edge on the Norks.

    the army of the north gets all the food, and they don’t worry about political correctness. And besides if the Chinese feed them wtf is O gonna do about it?


  79. buzzsawmonkey
    80 | November 20, 2012 9:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Obama Labor Departments Observes “Transgender Day Of Remembrance”…

    I remember, I remember
    Where once my balls did hang
    And yes, I remember too
    That I once had a wang
    But the LGBT Lobby
    Told me I was “transgender”
    And I should trade my male plumbing
    For a lady’s pudenda
    So off I hied to the doctor
    And took me some hormones
    And then the doctor relieved me
    Of my big, bad cojones


  80. lobo91
    81 | November 20, 2012 9:01 pm

    @ Lily:

    True it might be a good motivator…but the problem is the South is well fed so they already have an edge on the Norks.

    The North Koreans could do a lot of damage to Seoul with artillery and missiles, but in the end, it would end up being a turkey shoot for the South Korean and US forces.


  81. Mars
    82 | November 20, 2012 9:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I think he is talking about the Red Dawn movie not the game Homefront.

    China invested heavily in MGM around the time it was supposed to release. The company was pressed into changed the villains, (Inside info from the filmmakers) they finally got MGM to give up distribution rights and it is now being released by a different company. However, they decided to keep the bad guys the Koreans in order to be allowed to get the Chinese market. (Apparently China is big money for movies now.)


  82. Lily
    83 | November 20, 2012 9:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    “Transgender people are part of the diversity that America celebrates today and they, like every American, deserve to live without fear of prejudice or violence.”

    According to whom?

    Sorry, but left-wing bureaucrats don’t get to tell Americans what to “celebrate.”

    Apparently under obama they do…when will people get fed up with this crap? I thought it was after 4 years of obama..but apparently I was very wrong.


  83. Calo
    84 | November 20, 2012 9:03 pm

    CynicalConservative wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Dumped it a year ago, never looked back.

    /galt

    CC, you left the damn thing at the curb on trash day and some dumb ass Dem picked it up, subscribed to cable/CNN and voted for Obama November 6th.

    /wallflower


  84. Lily
    85 | November 20, 2012 9:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    True it might be a good motivator…but the problem is the South is well fed so they already have an edge on the Norks.

    The North Koreans could do a lot of damage to Seoul with artillery and missiles, but in the end, it would end up being a turkey shoot for the South Korean and US forces.

    Yep well fed military against ill-fed military …not much of a brainer there.


  85. brookly red
    86 | November 20, 2012 9:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The North Koreans could do a lot of damage to Seoul with artillery and missiles, but in the end, it would end up being a turkey shoot for the South Korean and US forces.

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    True it might be a good motivator…but the problem is the South is well fed so they already have an edge on the Norks.

    The North Koreans could do a lot of damage to Seoul with artillery and missiles, but in the end, it would end up being a turkey shoot for the South Korean and US forces.

    and if a million or 2 or 10 Chinese jump in?


  86. lobo91
    87 | November 20, 2012 9:04 pm

    @ Lily:

    Apparently under obama they do…when will people get fed up with this crap? I thought it was after 4 years of obama..but apparently I was very wrong.

    I’d like to see an opinion poll on that topic.

    Pretty sure that outside of San Francisco, the main response would be “WTF is ‘transgendered’?”


  87. brookly red
    88 | November 20, 2012 9:06 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I think he is talking about the Red Dawn movie not the game Homefront.

    China invested heavily in MGM around the time it was supposed to release. The company was pressed into changed the villains, (Inside info from the filmmakers) they finally got MGM to give up distribution rights and it is now being released by a different company. However, they decided to keep the bad guys the Koreans in order to be allowed to get the Chinese market. (Apparently China is big money for movies now.)

    and I don’t support Hollywood either they may hang me but it won’t be by the rope I sold them.


  88. Lily
    89 | November 20, 2012 9:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    So in the new Red Dawn it’s the North Koreans who are the enemy? Funny because the North Koreans are so under-fed that I doubt they could take over South Korea.

    Oh no? the south has food, can you think of a better motivator ?

    True it might be a good motivator…but the problem is the South is well fed so they already have an edge on the Norks.

    the army of the north gets all the food, and they don’t worry about political correctness. And besides if the Chinese feed them wtf is O gonna do about it?

    Well there you have a situation…I was leaving China out of the equation but yeah N.Korea is China’s little lap dog..what will O do..nothing. Same ole same ole. Blame it on a video…yeah let’s run with that.


  89. lobo91
    90 | November 20, 2012 9:07 pm

    @ brookly red:

    and if a million or 2 or 10 Chinese jump in?

    I seriously doubt that they’d do that. If they did, it would just add more targets.

    This isn’t 1951. Human wave attacks aren’t going to cut it against modern weapons.


  90. Lily
    91 | November 20, 2012 9:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Apparently under obama they do…when will people get fed up with this crap? I thought it was after 4 years of obama..but apparently I was very wrong.

    I’d like to see an opinion poll on that topic.

    Pretty sure that outside of San Francisco, the main response would be “WTF is ‘transgendered’?”

    Oh I’m pretty sure some people know even outside of San Fran….very strange is my answer. No I’m not a bigot ..just an observation.


  91. lobo91
    92 | November 20, 2012 9:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    Well there you have a situation…I was leaving China out of the equation but yeah N.Korea is China’s little lap dog..what will O do..nothing. Same ole same ole. Blame it on a video…yeah let’s run with that.

    The Chinese have no interest in getting into a fight with us. If North Korea invaded the south, I doubt that the Chinese would be all that supportive.


  92. CynicalConservative
    93 | November 20, 2012 9:10 pm

    @ Calo:
    Shit happens.

    /galt


  93. brookly red
    94 | November 20, 2012 9:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    and if a million or 2 or 10 Chinese jump in?

    I seriously doubt that they’d do that. If they did, it would just add more targets.

    This isn’t 1951. Human wave attacks aren’t going to cut it against modern weapons.

    Jeebus! the Chinese don’t have modern weapons? hell they could just stop exporting iPhones and we would bend-over like the whores that we are.


  94. lobo91
    95 | November 20, 2012 9:10 pm

    @ Lily:

    I don’t think there’s much support out there for people’s “right” to pretend to be a different gender.


  95. buzzsawmonkey
    96 | November 20, 2012 9:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    No I’m not a bigot

    It is not “bigotry” to observe that the attempt to normalize a mental pathology is socially destructive.


  96. lobo91
    97 | November 20, 2012 9:12 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Jeebus! the Chinese don’t have modern weapons?

    Not in any significant quantity, no. Same goes for the Russians. Sure, they show off some new plane at the Paris Air Show, and everyone is all impressed.

    What nobody realizes is that they only built a dozen of them.


  97. brookly red
    98 | November 20, 2012 9:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Well there you have a situation…I was leaving China out of the equation but yeah N.Korea is China’s little lap dog..what will O do..nothing. Same ole same ole. Blame it on a video…yeah let’s run with that.

    The Chinese have no interest in getting into a fight with us. If North Korea invaded the south, I doubt that the Chinese would be all that supportive.

    Really? all they have to do is feed them… and while we are tied up there they just take back Taiwan… do you really think an Obama administration has the balls to stop them? Really?


  98. Lily
    99 | November 20, 2012 9:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Well there you have a situation…I was leaving China out of the equation but yeah N.Korea is China’s little lap dog..what will O do..nothing. Same ole same ole. Blame it on a video…yeah let’s run with that.

    The Chinese have no interest in getting into a fight with us. If North Korea invaded the south, I doubt that the Chinese would be all that supportive.

    You are probably right.


  99. Calo
    100 | November 20, 2012 9:15 pm

    @ CynicalConservative:
    Library time.
    Back to my book.

    /wallflower


  100. lobo91
    101 | November 20, 2012 9:15 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Really? all they have to do is feed them… and while we are tied up there they just take back Taiwan… do you really think an Obama administration has the balls to stop them? Really?

    If it’s that simple, why haven’t they done it already?


  101. Lily
    102 | November 20, 2012 9:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I don’t think there’s much support out there for people’s “right” to pretend to be a different gender.

    There isn’t…


  102. Lily
    103 | November 20, 2012 9:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    No I’m not a bigot

    It is not “bigotry” to observe that the attempt to normalize a mental pathology is socially destructive.

    I have come across a person who had this done …there is most certainly some mental issues going on. Big time.


  103. lobo91
    104 | November 20, 2012 9:17 pm

    @ Lily:

    You are probably right.

    I’m pretty sure that the current generation of Chinese leaders would really like to go back in time and shoot whoever decided to support those whackjobs in the first place. North Korea has been nothing but a liability to them.


  104. Mars
    105 | November 20, 2012 9:17 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Well there you have a situation…I was leaving China out of the equation but yeah N.Korea is China’s little lap dog..what will O do..nothing. Same ole same ole. Blame it on a video…yeah let’s run with that.
    The Chinese have no interest in getting into a fight with us. If North Korea invaded the south, I doubt that the Chinese would be all that supportive.

    You are probably right.

    China has had to pull the reins on the Norks more than once.

    I do agree, China is not exactly our enemy. They have different (and similar) goals to us, and they do conflict, but we aren’t truly enemies. They are definitely market opponents though.


  105. brookly red
    106 | November 20, 2012 9:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Really? all they have to do is feed them… and while we are tied up there they just take back Taiwan… do you really think an Obama administration has the balls to stop them? Really?

    If it’s that simple, why haven’t they done it already?

    why should they ? they don’t need to fight us as long as they continue to buy us…


  106. Mars
    107 | November 20, 2012 9:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    No I’m not a bigot
    It is not “bigotry” to observe that the attempt to normalize a mental pathology is socially destructive.

    I have come across a person who had this done …there is most certainly some mental issues going on. Big time.

    I can also attest that most bi-sexual and lesbian women seem to be more than a bit bipolar.


  107. lobo91
    108 | November 20, 2012 9:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I don’t think there’s much support out there for people’s “right” to pretend to be a different gender.

    There isn’t…

    Hell, even the gay lobby doesn’t really support them. They just include them in their demands in order to make themselves sound more numerous.


  108. Lily
    109 | November 20, 2012 9:20 pm

    @ Mars:

    Yes it is true.


  109. Lily
    110 | November 20, 2012 9:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I don’t think there’s much support out there for people’s “right” to pretend to be a different gender.

    There isn’t…

    Hell, even the gay lobby doesn’t really support them. They just include them in their demands in order to make themselves sound more numerous.

    Which makes it so stupid to have a special day for them. I know lets get really diverse and have a special day for psychopaths too. Don’t want to leave anyone out now do we?


  110. buzzsawmonkey
    111 | November 20, 2012 9:23 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I have come across a person who had this done …there is most certainly some mental issues going on. Big time.

    A very good friend of mine, from some thirty-odd years ago, went through the procedure. Nice person. Was a lovely, if feminine, man; as a “woman,” he was something like a cross between Loretta Young and Zasu Pitts.

    The sad thing was, he was not really at home as a “woman” in the larger society—but as a “woman,” he had no real place in the gay-male society in which he had formerly been at home, either.


  111. Mars
    112 | November 20, 2012 9:24 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Lily:
    I don’t think there’s much support out there for people’s “right” to pretend to be a different gender.
    There isn’t…
    Hell, even the gay lobby doesn’t really support them. They just include them in their demands in order to make themselves sound more numerous.

    Which makes it so stupid to have a special day for them. I know lets get really diverse and have a special day for psychopaths too. Don’t want to leave anyone out now do we?

    Well, to bring it back to my original article. How long does anyone think it will be before they start putting transgendered characters on their primetime programming? Think how it went with gay characters. Now gay characters amount to a higher percentage of tv characters than they exist in the general public.

    It’s a perception shift long-term plan.


  112. buzzsawmonkey
    113 | November 20, 2012 9:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Hell, even the gay lobby doesn’t really support them. They just include them in their demands in order to make themselves sound more numerous.

    Not so much for the (minimal) numbers. It is to make the nominally more mainstream wackos in the gay subculture look more “normal”—and, more importantly, to use the “transgenders” as the stealth shock troops to legalize same-sex marriage through the court system.


  113. brookly red
    114 | November 20, 2012 9:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I have come across a person who had this done …there is most certainly some mental issues going on. Big time.

    A very good friend of mine, from some thirty-odd years ago, went through the procedure. Nice person. Was a lovely, if feminine, man; as a “woman,” he was something like a cross between Loretta Young and Zasu Pitts.

    The sad thing was, he was not really at home as a “woman” in the larger society—but as a “woman,” he had no real place in the gay-male society in which he had formerly been at home, either.

    you speak of her in the past tense ?


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    115 | November 20, 2012 9:28 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    you speak of her in the past tense ?

    We haven’t been in touch for some long while.


  115. brookly red
    116 | November 20, 2012 9:29 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Well, to bring it back to my original article. How long does anyone think it will be before they start putting transgendered characters on their primetime programming? Think how it went with gay characters. Now gay characters amount to a higher percentage of tv characters than they exist in the general public.

    It’s a perception shift long-term plan.

    well yeah, as long as you allow it in your home, I could care less about prime time programming, well other than that it pays my bills.


  116. huckfunn
    117 | November 20, 2012 9:36 pm

    OT. I just saw that To Kill A Mockingbird is on AMC right now and started watching it for the umpteenth time. The last time I watched it (about a year, or so ago) I was online with me bloogies and NoThreat2U mentioned that she had never seen it. I convinced her that it was a “must see” and we watched it together, with back and forth commentary and input from the other blogmocats. Anyhoo, just a neat memory of a friend who has left us.

    Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread.

    Over ‘n out……


  117. Mars
    118 | November 20, 2012 9:38 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Well, to bring it back to my original article. How long does anyone think it will be before they start putting transgendered characters on their primetime programming? Think how it went with gay characters. Now gay characters amount to a higher percentage of tv characters than they exist in the general public.
    It’s a perception shift long-term plan.
    well yeah, as long as you allow it in your home, I could care less about prime time programming, well other than that it pays my bills.

    Once again you miss the point. This has nothing to do with me or you. This has to do with ever having a chance at winning elections again. Hell, I’m basically homeless. I can’t afford movies or a tv subscription. You choose not to have one. The fact remains you are a minority in this country. And those people vote, they vote with what the press tells them. The only way to get out of this mess is to control the message, the only way to do that is to control the medium. You can continue to claim the high ground, but repeating that you don’t have a tv doesn’t add anything to the conversation. This is about getting to the people that do own televisions, read papers, listen to music, go to movies. Which is the majority of this country.

    Now that the media has completely allowed themselves to go into the pocket of the libs it’s time to stage a media takeover.

    The left always bitches about the big money people on our side, well now it’s time to bring their worst nightmare to life. Get the big money people to stop giving money to useless PACs that tell them the same losing strategies every election cycle. Take a chunk of the media and talk to the people in their own home. Imagine how much more villainous the evil Koch brothers would be as msm moguls. But, the more we control, the harder it becomes to pain the republicans as fringe lunatics and out of touch. Right now we have less than half a dozen outlets. If we were to gain at least one MSM channel, a few national papers, a movie studio or two, a record label, things like that, then we would become the voice of the people rather than a marginalized group.

    As it stands we have AM radio, Fox News, and a couple book publishers.

    That isn’t enough.


  118. Mars
    119 | November 20, 2012 9:38 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    OT. I just saw that To Kill A Mockingbird is on AMC right now and started watching it for the umpteenth time. The last time I watched it (about a year, or so ago) I was online with me bloogies and NoThreat2U mentioned that she had never seen it. I convinced her that it was a “must see” and we watched it together, with back and forth commentary and input from the other blogmocats. Anyhoo, just a neat memory of a friend who has left us.
    Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread.
    Over ‘n out……

    That’s a good memory. Hold on to it.


  119. 120 | November 20, 2012 9:45 pm

    @ Mars:

    Great post!


  120. Calo
    121 | November 20, 2012 9:49 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    She was appreciative of the friendships and support she had on this blog.


  121. Mars
    122 | November 20, 2012 9:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Great post!

    Thanks everyone.


  122. Mars
    123 | November 20, 2012 9:57 pm

    I was hoping this would have posted when more were available though. Put a lot into this one, but appreciate everyone who has been here so far. Anyone have any ideas of media that I have missed? Computer gaming, android/windowsphone/iphone apps?


  123. brookly red
    124 | November 20, 2012 10:01 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Once again you miss the point. This has nothing to do with me or you. This has to do with ever having a chance at winning elections again.

    well the way I see it it comes down to tens of millions of mes & yous :) we can do this but you gotta be all in.


  124. brookly red
    125 | November 20, 2012 10:04 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    OT. I just saw that To Kill A Mockingbird is on AMC right now and started watching it for the umpteenth time. The last time I watched it (about a year, or so ago) I was online with me bloogies and NoThreat2U mentioned that she had never seen it. I convinced her that it was a “must see” and we watched it together, with back and forth commentary and input from the other blogmocats. Anyhoo, just a neat memory of a friend who has left us.

    Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread.

    Over ‘n out……

    If I understood that correctly I am very sad…


  125. Mars
    126 | November 20, 2012 10:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Once again you miss the point. This has nothing to do with me or you. This has to do with ever having a chance at winning elections again.
    well the way I see it it comes down to tens of millions of mes & yous we can do this but you gotta be all in.

    I’ll give you that my friend. Lol.


  126. brookly red
    127 | November 20, 2012 10:09 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Once again you miss the point. This has nothing to do with me or you. This has to do with ever having a chance at winning elections again.
    well the way I see it it comes down to tens of millions of mes & yous we can do this but you gotta be all in.

    I’ll give you that my friend. Lol.

    no quarter for the enemy.


  127. lobo91
    128 | November 20, 2012 10:34 pm

    @ brookly red:

    no quarter for the enemy.

    I wouldn’t give you a dime for them, much less a quarter…


  128. darkwords
    129 | November 20, 2012 10:38 pm

    @ Mars: A idea that sticks will get repeated. You have to view your political thought as the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean.

    You affect just one person in the thread and help them elevate their thought and they will repeat it in some manner in a blog or in a personal situation.

    Like reading a good novel gives a person an emotional education without all the suffering.

    Everyone is a student or teacher one day and a teacher or student the next day.


  129. darkwords
    130 | November 20, 2012 10:39 pm

    @ lobo91: My two cents is that we push Gaza into Egypt like so much play dough.

    I remember the pun overnight threads at LGF. One can tell that blog is no longer intelligent.


  130. darkwords
    131 | November 20, 2012 11:15 pm

    The 2012 cycle demonstrated that left-wing journalists have far more sway on Americans’ opinions than many conservatives have been willing to admit.

    Gingrich and Trump slapped the media around. Romney’s advisor’s didn’t and played McCain part II


  131. darkwords
    132 | November 20, 2012 11:18 pm

    Interesting out of that.

    Hurricane Katrina GWB says good job Brownie and the media goes bonkers.
    Hurricane Sandy and Christie says good job Obama and the media goes bonkers.


  132. yenta-fada
    133 | November 20, 2012 11:34 pm

    The Dems were and are remarkably successful at demonizing the “enemy”
    That would be people like us. My community organizer friend asked ME a year ago “What IS the Tea Party?” I told her it was just regular Americans living in flyovercountry. She has no understanding of the dark side in the people she supports.

    They feel quite entitled to their own facts without having any.

    Great post, Mars. Good luck in finding work!


  133. darkwords
    134 | November 20, 2012 11:39 pm

    The Civil War era slave is to the Democratic party
    as the modern welfare recipient is the modern Democratic party.

    It’s a direct lineage.

    The only true way out of slavery for a black person is to vote Republican and establish an individuality not defined by a democrat. or withdraw from the system completely and lose the power of the voice.


  134. darkwords
    135 | November 20, 2012 11:41 pm

    A person is always a slave in some fashion as long as they vote big government democrats.


  135. yenta-fada
    136 | November 20, 2012 11:45 pm

    @ darkwords:

    It’s difficult to back away from your friends and/or family, which is what it takes sometimes to form a newer identity. We are pack animals.


  136. darkwords
    137 | November 20, 2012 11:46 pm

    Obama voter Lindsay Stone. I suggested tolerance to her earlier but looking at her picture she looks like a bad joke.


  137. Calo
    138 | November 20, 2012 11:58 pm

    @ darkwords:
    I think I have been so busy trying to keep up with real life stuff that missed this pic.

    I’m not going to pollute this thread with a string of bad language for Miss Lindsay’s obvious lack of decorum for our troops.

    Instead, I’ll just say good night.


  138. Mars
    139 | November 21, 2012 12:13 am

    darkwords wrote:

    Obama voter Lindsay Stone. I suggested tolerance to her earlier but looking at her picture she looks like a bad joke.

    As a vet I’m willing to give her a chance to make up for it. She’s young and stupid. She does, however, do good work for people who need it.

    She just needs to learn what is and isn’t appropriate.


  139. Mars
    140 | November 21, 2012 12:18 am

    yenta-fada wrote:

    The Dems were and are remarkably successful at demonizing the “enemy”
    That would be people like us. My community organizer friend asked ME a year ago “What IS the Tea Party?” I told her it was just regular Americans living in flyovercountry. She has no understanding of the dark side in the people she supports.
    They feel quite entitled to their own facts without having any.
    Great post, Mars. Good luck in finding work!

    And that’s the whole key. We have the talent, we have people with money, and we have people with the knowhow, so why the hell aren’t we doing this yet?

    The most difficult part of all of this is the alphabet networks. You have NBC owned by General Electric, ABC is Disney, and CBS by I guess itself or Viacom.

    I would say CBS is the most vulnerable to a buyout. And some of their programs are a good fit with a conservative view.

    ABC might be vulnerable if Disney overreached with its Star Wars and Marvel purchases lately.

    NBC could come up if O’s energy policy does any damage to GE.


  140. darkwords
    141 | November 21, 2012 12:22 am

    Interesting how all the celbrities with big social issues to advocate for then go silent during the gaza/israel where. Where are Alec Baldwin, Cher, Madonna, Babs now?


  141. Mars
    142 | November 21, 2012 12:24 am

    @ darkwords:
    In the past when these people have spoken up they are always on the wrong side.


  142. Calo
    143 | November 21, 2012 12:29 am

    @ Mars:
    And, my 16 year old daughter is young and stoopid as well

    But, I can’t imaging her flipping off a deceased veteran.

    Why should I give Lindsay a pass? Why is she so special and who is she?


  143. darkwords
    144 | November 21, 2012 12:37 am

    @ 143 Calo: Since the world is so media driven maybe this a needed objective lesson for those who don’t know how to behave at a cemetery.


  144. darkwords
    145 | November 21, 2012 12:38 am

    @ 142 Mars: I would be interested to see if the opininated celebrity came out as anti Israel.


  145. Mars
    146 | November 21, 2012 12:40 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    And, my 16 year old daughter is young and stoopid as well
    But, I can’t imaging her flipping off a deceased veteran.
    Why should I give Lindsay a pass? Why is she so special and who is she?

    In that girls mind she wasn’t flipping of a deceased veteran. She was flipping off a sign. It was a running joke with her and her friend. There’s another pic of them smoking under a no smoking sign. It never crossed her tiny little brain where they were or what she was actually doing.

    She’s a nobody. But, the job she works is one I’ve done. She works for shitty pay taking care of disabled adults. She’s also got a pretty good chance working that job to learn how big of a mistake she made voting for the won.

    And I never said give her a pass. I said give her a chance to make up for it. Manual labor usually makes an impression. If she lives in an area have her work with the cleanup team or maybe use her talents to work with a homebound vet. There are many options for her to learn what she did.


  146. Mars
    147 | November 21, 2012 12:42 am

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 142 Mars: I would be interested to see if the opininated celebrity came out as anti Israel.

    I don’t have the links right now, but a crap load of them did back during the gaza flotilla crap or whatever it was called when the terrorist scum tried to bring weapons to the paleosimians.


  147. darkwords
    148 | November 21, 2012 12:49 am

    @ 146 Mars: The only thing is I would question her character. If she can be a better person out of this then very good. If she moves the other direction then the criticism is justified. I don’t really believe in pouncing on people because they are naive or stupid. If they are malicious yes. watch for the copy cat photos now. Those will be malicious.

    I had a relative in an institution for awhile and the caretakers went out of their way to humiliate and be cruel to the relative. they asked for a smoke and the attendant made them stand in a corner with their mouth open while they played a game of toss the cigarette into the patients mouth. It’s a low paying job. It attracts actual people who have a calling to help others and also it attracts people who can’t find work and aren’t qualified to help the disabled. Most of these places are still places to dump people. So yes, if she was a quality helper of the disabled I would give her a pass. She probably also then respects the deceased and was just making fun of a sign. I didn’t look into her situation very deeply.


  148. Mars
    149 | November 21, 2012 12:56 am

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 146 Mars: The only thing is I would question her character. If she can be a better person out of this then very good. If she moves the other direction then the criticism is justified. I don’t really believe in pouncing on people because they are naive or stupid. If they are malicious yes. watch for the copy cat photos now. Those will be malicious.
    I had a relative in an institution for awhile and the caretakers went out of their way to humiliate and be cruel to the relative. they asked for a smoke and the attendant made them stand in a corner with their mouth open while they played a game of toss the cigarette into the patients mouth. It’s a low paying job. It attracts actual people who have a calling to help others and also it attracts people who can’t find work and aren’t qualified to help the disabled. Most of these places are still places to dump people. So yes, if she was a quality helper of the disabled I would give her a pass. She probably also then respects the deceased and was just making fun of a sign. I didn’t look into her situation very deeply.

    If this organization is the type I think it is, they don’t have that kind of behavior. It’s mostly in home care and assistance to people with a moderate level of disability. Abusers don’t last in those jobs because the clients report them quickly.

    If it is more of a grouphome situation she could be about anything short of physical abuse. Physical abuse gets caught quickly in the frequent checks by the nurses. If it is a nursing home type situation all bets are off.

    I agree, the true test of character is where she goes from here.

    The copy cats deserve the worst punishments they can imagine.


  149. Mars
    150 | November 21, 2012 12:58 am

    To sum up, if the company is what I think it is an independent living organization. She would help people get to and from appointments, help them with accessibility issues, help them find employment, and help with household tasks to a lesser degree.

    Not totally a shitty job, but the pay is far below what it should be for the responsibility involved.


  150. Calo
    151 | November 21, 2012 1:03 am

    @ Mars:

    But, the job she works is one I’ve done. She works for shitty pay taking care of disabled adults.

    No pass, sorry.

    And, don’t even ask me to defend my position.
    I won’t put out that much personal information on a blog.

    @ darkwords:
    Most of these places are still places to dump people.

    I worked in a state (California) nursing home during college while I was in nursing school.
    I take offense to your post.


  151. Mars
    152 | November 21, 2012 1:05 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    But, the job she works is one I’ve done. She works for shitty pay taking care of disabled adults.
    No pass, sorry.
    And, don’t even ask me to defend my position.
    I won’t put out that much personal information on a blog.
    @ darkwords:
    Most of these places are still places to dump people.

    I worked in a state (California) nursing home during college while I was in nursing school.
    I take offense to your post.

    I never said give her a pass. Already said that twice.

    There are some amazing nursing homes. There are also some criminally negligent ones. I’m proud that you were working one of the good ones. And knowing you I can bet that they would have gotten an earful if they weren’t.


  152. Da_Beerfreak
    153 | November 21, 2012 1:16 am

    Mars wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    In the past when these people have spoken up they are always on the wrong side.

    That’s a feature not a bug.
    Their role in the great scheme of life is to misinform the uninformed. Very useful idiots… :evil:


  153. Calo
    154 | November 21, 2012 1:18 am

    @ Mars:
    Yes, we can agree here.

    It’s the group homes that sometimes go rouge.

    It’s a complex situation that deserves a second look.

    And, i agree, the wages are not commiserate for the responsibility of the job.


  154. darkwords
    155 | November 21, 2012 1:31 am

    @ 151 Calo:
    Offense at what specifically? I have been in the dregs of mental institutions and dealt first hand with mental issues for years. Bureaucrats, doctors, nurses, lawyers, social workers, all types. I’ve been in places where nurses and doctors looked the other way because it made their job easier. Helping the mentally ill means going beyond the boundaries of the existing help climate. Broaden your horizons and learn to take offense less. IT will help everyone out.

    Go to any of these places and you will see people looking for love and not finding it because they are different and society rejects them out of hand. Clinical treatment helps them stabilize but falls short of accurate treatment.

    It’s in those scenarios you find the saints and sinners of helping people.


  155. Calo
    156 | November 21, 2012 1:47 am

    @ darkwords:
    Yes, thank you Darkwoods for your kind words tonight.

    I’ll be at that place tomorrow. Stabilizing my son’s treatment for his profound depression and suicidal ideations at all of 17 years old.

    Call me a sinner.

    I spent years with my Grandmother trying to place my Uncle with mental retardation in California. In fact, my kid is named after a home she started in the Bay Area called Serra Center.

    http://Www.serracenter.org


  156. 157 | November 21, 2012 6:57 am

    darkwords wrote:

    Obama voter Lindsay Stone. I suggested tolerance to her earlier but looking at her picture she looks like a bad joke.

    Being a former Navy man, I have no respect for this cunt.


  157. 158 | November 21, 2012 7:50 am

    Macker wrote:

    Being a former Navy man, I have no respect for this cunt.

    Being a fellow former Navy man, I’d recommend her for a proper blanket party.


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