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Republicans Aren’t the Problem, Your Neighbors Are

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Filed under Blogmocracy, Cult of Obama, Democratic Party, Elections 2012, Guest Post, Progressives at November 21st, 2012 - 5:00 pm

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Guest Blogger: Macduff


What Americans must understand is that the Democrats don’t simply want to defeat Republicans, they want to kill and bury us as a party then salt the Earth where we once thrived…and they won’t rest until that has been accomplished. They will lie, cheat, steal and have no qualms against permanently slandering a good man’s reputation, as we saw in this cycle, to get what they want. We’ve had nasty politics in this country since our founding, but instantaneous modern communication, the inherent vulnerability of electronic voting systems and “data mining”, which the Obama campaign almost pioneered, and definitely perfected (to the delight of Democrats, everywhere), “nasty” has been raised to a level heretofore unknown.

This isn’t about simple mudslinging, it’s about permanent scarlet letters tattooed upon the foreheads of anyone who dares to oppose them. There are those who advocate our descent into the muck and matching them handful for handful, but I’m not convinced that’d work, even if I could convince myself to support a candidate who could excel at such woeful behavior. The Obama campaign ran one of the most vile, negative campaigns in memory, then had the temerity to tag Romney’s campaign as negative….and it stuck!
We can talk all we want about the “messiah” schtick, and it’s absolutely pivotal, but we must talk about how he was able to sell that schtick in the first place as well as the gullibility and low self-esteem of the majority of voters that bought it two cycles in a row.
This isn’t a problem so much with Republicans as it is with the American electorate. Yeah, we’ve had some real duds, but the Democrats haven’t exactly been producing stellar examples of statesmanship either (Elizabeth Warren? Really?). Hell, Obama himself is an urban myth (and yes, I meant that just the way it sounds), wrapped around a set of grievances and sold as a savior — and people not only bought it, they practical pee on themselves in his presence!

We’re definitely in “Brave New World” territory here — with the country in shambles, demonstrably worse than when he took over, no president should have been reelected. Again, ascribing this phenomenon to the messiah schtick is only half of the problem, even “messiahs” need loyal followers and in this case, they’re the real issue.

(Cross Posted @The Weeks Review)

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  1. 1 | November 21, 2012 6:07 pm

    This post dovetails beautifully with the entire winning the culture meme being posited all over this blog so far. You’re absolutely correct in your observations.

    Everything that has transpired over the last 15 months has been related to us losing the cultural war, and not at all to do with any political arguments. That’s not to say that we necessarily would have won a political debate, but the other side refused to meet us on those grounds. They beat us in the war we wouldn’t fight.


  2. Storagemanager
    2 | November 21, 2012 6:10 pm

    The Vatican on Gaza: Israel is a Baby-Killer”

    Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, President of the Vatican Council for Culture, commenting on the war between Israel and Hamas, delivered a severe attack on the Jewish people: “I think of the ‘massacre of the innocents’. Children are dying in Gaza, their mothers’ shouts is a perennial cry, a universal cry”.

    The Catholic Church high official equated Israel’s operation in Gaza against terror groups with the New Testament story of Herod’s slaughter of Jewish babies in his effort to kill Jesus.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/255650


  3. brookly red
    3 | November 21, 2012 6:11 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    They beat us in the war we wouldn’t fight.

    Yes and now their will pay the price, grow up and rebel against their values (or in this case the lack of them) and the cycle continues…


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | November 21, 2012 6:12 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Yes and now their will pay the price, grow up and rebel against their values (or in this case the lack of them) and the cycle continues…

    the ‘young’ during the 20′s were derided…


  5. 5 | November 21, 2012 6:20 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    This post dovetails beautifully with the entire winning the culture meme being posited all over this blog so far. You’re absolutely correct in your observations.

    Everything that has transpired over the last 15 months has been related to us losing the cultural war, and not at all to do with any political arguments. That’s not to say that we necessarily would have won a political debate, but the other side refused to meet us on those grounds. They beat us in the war we wouldn’t fight.

    Thank you and yes, it the two segway rather nicely! Contemporary pop culture will always push the envelope, and culture, in general tends to always evolve toward liberalism, but what’s happening now is increasingly slovenly and disconnected to reality.

    I made a point that, in constantly pegging the Outrage-O-Meter, Obama has succeeded in desensitizing the public – once you peg the meter, everything else is invisible.

    It’s like living among zombies. Seriously.


  6. Speranza
    6 | November 21, 2012 6:20 pm

    The problem in 2012 was the American electorate.


  7. yenta-fada
    7 | November 21, 2012 6:22 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    Someone in the Vatican needs to muzzle that Jew hating idiot.


  8. RIX
    8 | November 21, 2012 6:23 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:

    Someone in the Vatican needs to muzzle that Jew hating idiot.

    ASAP.


  9. Speranza
    9 | November 21, 2012 6:23 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    Everything that has transpired over the last 15 months has been related to us losing the cultural war, and not at all to do with any political arguments.

    Fighting a culture war is a losing battle (I cringe whenever O’Reilly goes on his “Culture Warrior” shtick). We need to co-opt as much of it as we can. Putting down (or deriding) music, movies, TV et al is a stupid, stupid, stupid idea.The culture may be debased but it could never have gotten that bad without the approval or collaboration of a great part of the public. Buchannan’s “Culture War” speech at the 1992 R.N.C.was the death knell for the Republican Party in so many geographic areas that they used to be competitive in. We have lost the popular vote in 5 out of the lsat 6 elections and we better start understanding why.


  10. 10 | November 21, 2012 6:24 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    He’s done.


  11. 11 | November 21, 2012 6:24 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Buchannan’s “Culture War” speech at the 1992 R.N.C.was the death knell for the Republican Party in so many geographic areas that they used to be competitive in.

    That was the most disastrous speech ever.


  12. buzzsawmonkey
    12 | November 21, 2012 6:24 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    They beat us in the war we wouldn’t fight.

    Something Iran is expecting to do, too.


  13. 13 | November 21, 2012 6:25 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    These posts are complimenting each other.


  14. coldwarrior
    14 | November 21, 2012 6:25 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I made a point that, in constantly pegging the Outrage-O-Meter, Obama has succeeded in desensitizing the public — once you peg the meter, everything else is invisible.

    kinda like the big lie…


  15. Speranza
    15 | November 21, 2012 6:25 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Someone in the Vatican needs to muzzle that Jew hating idiot.

    He can kiss our ass.


  16. 16 | November 21, 2012 6:26 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Great post!


  17. coldwarrior
    17 | November 21, 2012 6:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ Storagemanager:
    Someone in the Vatican needs to muzzle that Jew hating idiot.

    He can kiss our ass.

    there are shit-heads in every organization.


  18. RIX
    18 | November 21, 2012 6:27 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Mac, great post.
    The SEIU disrupted travelers getting to the terminal
    at LAX today. Many missed their flights.
    The issue is that the employees of a company with
    a contract with LAX voted down the SEIU.
    So, they brought in 1,000 SEIU thugs that have nothing
    to do with the airport to punish travelers.


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    19 | November 21, 2012 6:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Buchannan’s “Culture War” speech at the 1992 R.N.C.was the death knell for the Republican Party in so many geographic areas that they used to be competitive in.

    The problem was not the speech; the problem was that Buchanan was blowing a bunch of hot air at the wrong time and in the wrong place.

    You don’t make policy at a convention, in any meaningful way. Buchanan should have been working with other Republicans to fight the culture war—if he wanted to aid the conservative cause—and kept his mouth shut at the convention.

    In other words, the problem was that Buchanan made a speech when he should have been taking action beforehand and afterwards and keeping his mouth shut.


  20. 20 | November 21, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It doesn’t help that Buchanan is a National Socialist scumbag.


  21. Speranza
    21 | November 21, 2012 6:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Buchannan’s “Culture War” speech at the 1992 R.N.C.was the death knell for the Republican Party in so many geographic areas that they used to be competitive in.

    That was the most disastrous speech ever.

    Combine that with nice guy block head Dan Quayle running against a TV character named “Murphy Brown” and you can see why the GOP is referred to as “The Stupid Party”.


  22. 22 | November 21, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    He’s done, he’ll be removed.


  23. buzzsawmonkey
    23 | November 21, 2012 6:28 pm

    So, Obama “pardoned the Turkey” by making the sign of the cross.

    Erdogan was not amused.


  24. brookly red
    24 | November 21, 2012 6:29 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    It’s like living among zombies. Seriously.

    Indeed it is. The way I see it the Russians in 1917 thought they were the ones they had been waiting for too… it took awhile but they got over it. Someday we will too.


  25. 25 | November 21, 2012 6:29 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Dan Quayle admitted it was a mistake. Yeah thanks buddy. What’s crazy is that Bush and Quayle didn’t even believe that shit.


  26. Speranza
    26 | November 21, 2012 6:30 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The problem was not the speech; the problem was that Buchanan was blowing a bunch of hot air at the wrong time and in the wrong place.

    You don’t make policy at a convention, in any meaningful way. Buchanan should have been working with other Republicans to fight the culture war—if he wanted to aid the conservative cause—and kept his mouth shut at the convention.

    In other words, the problem was that Buchanan made a speech when he should have been taking action beforehand and afterwards and keeping his mouth shut.

    The speech was vapid and stupid. A call for a return to the 1950′s TV era which really never existed except on T.V. When you cannot run on your economic record (unless you are Barack Obama) you are toast. GHW BUsh allowing that neo-fascist to have a speaking role at the convention was another example of how he pandered to the yahoo crowd.


  27. 27 | November 21, 2012 6:30 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ RIX:
    @ coldwarrior:
    @ MacDuff:

    We are still living with the consequences of the 92 election.


  28. 28 | November 21, 2012 6:31 pm

    Well the Hospital sent mom home today, they said that her heart is stronger now than it was last year and everything look really good. Now I just have to make sure she doesn’t forget to take her diuretics.


  29. yenta-fada
    29 | November 21, 2012 6:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    He’s done.

    Talk about pouring fuel on a fire…


  30. 30 | November 21, 2012 6:31 pm

    92 was 20 years ago. A whole generation has been raised viewing Republicans as cranky scolds.


  31. 31 | November 21, 2012 6:31 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Good to hear. My prayers are with her!


  32. coldwarrior
    32 | November 21, 2012 6:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    He’s done, he’ll be removed.

    yep…the pope wont put up with that.


  33. Speranza
    33 | November 21, 2012 6:32 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Well the Hospital sent mom home today, they said that her heart is stronger now than it was last year and everything look really good. Now I just have to make sure she doesn’t forget to take her diuretics.

    Keep your eye on her.


  34. 34 | November 21, 2012 6:32 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    I’d drop him in Gaza let him see what Hamas thinks of Christians. Just ask the Pali Christians they kicked out.


  35. brookly red
    35 | November 21, 2012 6:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ RIX:
    @ coldwarrior:
    @ MacDuff:

    We are still living with the consequences of the 92 election.

    shit, were still living with the consequences of the 63 election.


  36. buzzsawmonkey
    36 | November 21, 2012 6:32 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The speech was vapid and stupid. A call for a return to the 1950′s TV era which really never existed except on T.V. When you cannot run on your economic record (unless you are Barack Obama) you are toast.

    No disagreement there.

    My point, however, is that the culture war is real, and it must be joined—but making a speech at a convention, which leads to no action and to no policy, but merely puts rhetoric out there on which you can be attacked, is the stupidest and least effective way to do it.

    If Buchanan had been serious about “the culture war” he would have been fighting it before and after the convention by trying to change things in the schools and the media and keeping his fat mouth shut. He was not serious, however—he was merely being an extremely destructive blowhard.


  37. Speranza
    37 | November 21, 2012 6:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    92 was 20 years ago. A whole generation has been raised viewing Republicans as cranky scolds.

    Correctamundo.


  38. coldwarrior
    38 | November 21, 2012 6:32 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Well the Hospital sent mom home today, they said that her heart is stronger now than it was last year and everything look really good. Now I just have to make sure she doesn’t forget to take her diuretics.

    excellent!

    hctz or lasix


  39. RIX
    39 | November 21, 2012 6:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    @ RIX:
    @ coldwarrior:
    @ MacDuff:

    We are still living with the consequences of the 92 election.

    And it gets worse,, not better.


  40. 40 | November 21, 2012 6:33 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ yenta-fada:
    @ Speranza:

    Want to bet this clown is Liberation Theology aka Jesuit?


  41. yenta-fada
    41 | November 21, 2012 6:33 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ Storagemanager:
    Someone in the Vatican needs to muzzle that Jew hating idiot.
    He can kiss our ass.
    there are shit-heads in every organization.

    INDEED!


  42. 42 | November 21, 2012 6:33 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The crazy part is the GOP is the party of liberty. That’s what is ironic.

    Gotta run all!


  43. Speranza
    43 | November 21, 2012 6:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ yenta-fada:
    @ Speranza:
    Want to bet this clown is Liberation Theology aka Jesuit?

    He profanes the sacred collar he wears.


  44. Speranza
    44 | November 21, 2012 6:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The crazy part is the GOP is the party of liberty. That’s what is ironic.
    Gotta run all!

    “Escape from Freedom” written in 1941 by Erich Fromm is still very prescient. People prefer handouts to freedom.


  45. yenta-fada
    45 | November 21, 2012 6:35 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Well the Hospital sent mom home today, they said that her heart is stronger now than it was last year and everything look really good. Now I just have to make sure she doesn’t forget to take her diuretics.

    That is great news! Popping a pill or so should be easy for her.


  46. brookly red
    46 | November 21, 2012 6:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    The speech was vapid and stupid. A call for a return to the 1950′s TV era which really never existed except on T.V. When you cannot run on your economic record (unless you are Barack Obama) you are toast.

    No disagreement there.

    My point, however, is that the culture war is real, and it must be joined—but making a speech at a convention, which leads to no action and to no policy, but merely puts rhetoric out there on which you can be attacked, is the stupidest and least effective way to do it.

    If Buchanan had been serious about “the culture war” he would have been fighting it before and after the convention by trying to change things in the schools and the media and keeping his fat mouth shut. He was not serious, however—he was merely being an extremely destructive blowhard.

    well if you want to win the “culture war” methinks you gotta start by bringing down the teachers union first.


  47. brookly red
    47 | November 21, 2012 6:38 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    “Escape from Freedom” written in 1941 by Erich Fromm is still very prescient. People prefer handouts to freedom.

    some people do. others will wander 40 years in the wilderness. i prefer to judge mankind the best not the average, but that is just me.


  48. RIX
    48 | November 21, 2012 6:39 pm

    See ya.


  49. 49 | November 21, 2012 6:39 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Not sure if you’ve gotten my points or not. In your post, you’ve both agreed and simultaneously disagreed with what I’ve said. I do not want to do what Bill O’Riley has done, mostly because I am in no way a fan of his. My point is to start grabbing onto these tactics and marrying them with our message instead. Not fighting against the culture, but embracing our own culture and showing why it is better to live in a free society than as a slave. There is a difference here, and it is an important one.


  50. 50 | November 21, 2012 6:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Well the Hospital sent mom home today, they said that her heart is stronger now than it was last year and everything look really good. Now I just have to make sure she doesn’t forget to take her diuretics.

    excellent!
    hctz or lasix

    lasix


  51. 51 | November 21, 2012 6:39 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ RIX:

    Thanks.


  52. 52 | November 21, 2012 6:43 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Well the Hospital sent mom home today, they said that her heart is stronger now than it was last year and everything look really good. Now I just have to make sure she doesn’t forget to take her diuretics.

    glad to hear the good knews dorian.


  53. Lily
    53 | November 21, 2012 6:46 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Well the Hospital sent mom home today, they said that her heart is stronger now than it was last year and everything look really good. Now I just have to make sure she doesn’t forget to take her diuretics.

    What happened?


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    54 | November 21, 2012 6:46 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well if you want to win the “culture war” methinks you gotta start by bringing down the teachers union first.

    No; one starts by getting conservative people on the school board, and keeping an eye on the schools—and not being afraid to take on the local teachers.

    You don’t take the teacher’s unions on first or head on; you take over the boards that control the schools and then bend the teachers to your will.


  55. coldwarrior
    55 | November 21, 2012 6:48 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    lasix

    pretty good, tried and true and really safe.

    the only thing is the chance of low potassium because of the way it works in the distal loop and the loop of henle in the kidneys.

    it blocks the absorption of sodium and chloride casing a very noticeable increase in urine.

    it wastes potassium as well but i dont want to get into the cation reasons here.


  56. Lily
    56 | November 21, 2012 6:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    92 was 20 years ago. A whole generation has been raised viewing Republicans as cranky scolds.

    I remember 92 and I was a young mother raising two sons. I didn’t view the Republican party as something awful for saying something about the decaying culture. I think like MacDuff said what happened with this election isn’t so much the Republicans (it was a tight race) but more to do with the voters…


  57. brookly red
    57 | November 21, 2012 6:49 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    well if you want to win the “culture war” methinks you gotta start by bringing down the teachers union first.

    No; one starts by getting conservative people on the school board, and keeping an eye on the schools—and not being afraid to take on the local teachers.

    You don’t take the teacher’s unions on first or head on; you take over the boards that control the schools and then bend the teachers to your will.

    yeah that is a good granular plan to get to the first milestone ;)


  58. 58 | November 21, 2012 6:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Liberation Theology aka Jesuit?

    what?

    i don’t see anything that indicates that the Jesuits officially, as an organization, embrace liberation theology here http://www.jesuit.org/


  59. buzzsawmonkey
    59 | November 21, 2012 6:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    yeah that is a good granular plan to get to the first milestone

    A culture war that has not been fought for fifty years is not won overnight.


  60. coldwarrior
    60 | November 21, 2012 6:56 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Liberation Theology aka Jesuit?
    what?
    i don’t see anything that indicates that the Jesuits officially, as an organization, embrace liberation theology here http://www.jesuit.org/

    the jesuits single handedly spread liberation theology through latin america and through the catholic church from the 1960′s-1980′s until jp 2 put the clamps on them.

    seriously, that organization went hard core left / commie.


  61. brookly red
    61 | November 21, 2012 6:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    92 was 20 years ago. A whole generation has been raised viewing Republicans as cranky scolds.

    I remember 92 and I was a young mother raising two sons. I didn’t view the Republican party as something awful for saying something about the decaying culture. I think like MacDuff said what happened with this election isn’t so much the Republicans (it was a tight race) but more to do with the voters…

    yes we have gotten soft. In 92 a drug addict was a criminal, in 2012 a drug addict is a victim. In 92 an illegal was illegal, in 2012 an illegal is a victim. In 92 a terrorist was a terrorist, in 2012 a terrorist is a political activist (and a victim). I could go on all night.


  62. brookly red
    62 | November 21, 2012 6:58 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    A culture war that has not been fought for fifty years is not won overnight.

    exactly like my previous posts… the children of today’s liberals will realize their lot in life sucks and act accordingly.


  63. 63 | November 21, 2012 6:59 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the jesuits single handedly spread liberation theology through latin america and through the catholic church from the 1960′s-1980′s until jp 2 put the clamps on them.
    seriously, that organization went hard core left / commie.

    so, they have been beaten back then and are under control now? that would explain the “clean” website.


  64. 64 | November 21, 2012 7:00 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    the children of today’s liberals will realize their lot in life sucks and act accordingly.

    they will be sullen and lazy?


  65. buzzsawmonkey
    65 | November 21, 2012 7:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    the children of today’s liberals will realize their lot in life sucks and act accordingly.

    Not necessarily. Unless they are given a well-articulated history of what brought them to where they are, and shown how the alternative can work, they will merely do what Obama and the Democrats count on—double down on demonizing the eeevil conservatives who have stood in the way of the success of their programs.


  66. brookly red
    66 | November 21, 2012 7:02 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    the children of today’s liberals will realize their lot in life sucks and act accordingly.

    they will be sullen and lazy?

    no they have been oppressed by the man… LOL


  67. Lily
    67 | November 21, 2012 7:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    92 was 20 years ago. A whole generation has been raised viewing Republicans as cranky scolds.

    I remember 92 and I was a young mother raising two sons. I didn’t view the Republican party as something awful for saying something about the decaying culture. I think like MacDuff said what happened with this election isn’t so much the Republicans (it was a tight race) but more to do with the voters…

    yes we have gotten soft. In 92 a drug addict was a criminal, in 2012 a drug addict is a victim. In 92 an illegal was illegal, in 2012 an illegal is a victim. In 92 a terrorist was a terrorist, in 2012 a terrorist is a political activist (and a victim). I could go on all night.

    I could go on all night too between now and 1992….it’s amazing what is considered *okay* now days!! When it use to be WRONG! Not to mention we didn’t have all the hypen-Americans now we ______-American instead of American. High-school football teams can’t even say a prayer before a game without someone being offended or suing. It has gotten insane all of this pc crap…it hasn’t made our culture better it has put a huge rock around it’s neck.


  68. Lily
    68 | November 21, 2012 7:05 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the jesuits single handedly spread liberation theology through latin america and through the catholic church from the 1960′s-1980′s until jp 2 put the clamps on them.
    seriously, that organization went hard core left / commie.

    so, they have been beaten back then and are under control now? that would explain the “clean” website.

    Yes they have been beaten back…it is true the Jesuits really did bring in the left into the Church for a time. I am sure there is some hold-overs.


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | November 21, 2012 7:05 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    so, they have been beaten back then and are under control now? that would explain the “clean” website.

    it was an epic struggle within the catholic church and the leadership all the way to doctrine and cannon.

    there are still remnants and outspoken proponents of liberation theology but it has been reduced and derided especially in 1984 by the then cardinal ratzinger. the jesuits werent the only order infested with this disease.


  70. brookly red
    70 | November 21, 2012 7:06 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    the children of today’s liberals will realize their lot in life sucks and act accordingly.

    Not necessarily. Unless they are given a well-articulated history of what brought them to where they are, and shown how the alternative can work, they will merely do what Obama and the Democrats count on—double down on demonizing the eeevil conservatives who have stood in the way of the success of their programs.

    with all due respect that is almost liberal. so people must be given something to act in their own best interest?


  71. 71 | November 21, 2012 7:06 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Well the Hospital sent mom home today, they said that her heart is stronger now than it was last year and everything look really good. Now I just have to make sure she doesn’t forget to take her diuretics.

    That’s great news, Dorian!


  72. brookly red
    72 | November 21, 2012 7:08 pm

    beer run bbiab


  73. Lily
    73 | November 21, 2012 7:08 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Kirly wrote:

    so, they have been beaten back then and are under control now? that would explain the “clean” website.

    it was an epic struggle within the catholic church and the leadership all the way to doctrine and cannon.

    there are still remnants and outspoken proponents of liberation theology but it has been reduced and derided especially in 1984 by the then cardinal ratzinger. the jesuits werent the only order infested with this disease.

    No they weren’t the only ones…but right now the Church is doing it’s best to drive this smoke out.


  74. lobo91
    74 | November 21, 2012 7:09 pm

    @ Lily:

    And yet Father Pfleger is still preaching hate in Chicago…


  75. Mars
    75 | November 21, 2012 7:10 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Not sure if you’ve gotten my points or not. In your post, you’ve both agreed and simultaneously disagreed with what I’ve said. I do not want to do what Bill O’Riley has done, mostly because I am in no way a fan of his. My point is to start grabbing onto these tactics and marrying them with our message instead. Not fighting against the culture, but embracing our own culture and showing why it is better to live in a free society than as a slave. There is a difference here, and it is an important one.

    Exactly my point on last nights thread. We need to coopt the media with our own message. It’s possible. If we buy into the media we can even the playing field. Taking on the school boards is a great idea too. Even here our school boards are dominated by libs and conservatives don’t win.


  76. Lily
    76 | November 21, 2012 7:10 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    the children of today’s liberals will realize their lot in life sucks and act accordingly.

    Not necessarily. Unless they are given a well-articulated history of what brought them to where they are, and shown how the alternative can work, they will merely do what Obama and the Democrats count on—double down on demonizing the eeevil conservatives who have stood in the way of the success of their programs.

    with all due respect that is almost liberal. so people must be given something to act in their own best interest?

    No they need to be given the true history instead of doubling-down on the same. As with this last election with the media totally in the tank for obama we see what happens when people are ignorant of what is truly going on..they double-down on the same.


  77. Lily
    77 | November 21, 2012 7:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    And yet Father Pfleger is still preaching hate in Chicago…

    That’s unique case I do believe they tried to remove him but the people threw a hell-fit. Rix would know better concerning him. He doesn’t represent the Church very much.


  78. Mars
    78 | November 21, 2012 7:12 pm

    Has anyone realized the dems have elected two drug addicts as president? Their only two president wins and both are druggies.


  79. buzzsawmonkey
    79 | November 21, 2012 7:13 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    with all due respect that is almost liberal. so people must be given something to act in their own best interest?

    I think you are misunderstanding me.

    I say, yes—the children of today’s liberals must be given an alternative vision, and it is up to us to give it. For where else are they to obtain it? From their liberal parents? From their Leftist public-school teachers? From their Marxist college professors? From the Leftist mainstream media? From the Left-slanted films?

    Or do you trust children and young adults who have never been taught the concept of independent inquiry, have never been taught to reason or analyze, to somehow magically stumble upon a conservative alternative? Ain’t happenin’, and to expect it to happen is abdication of a duty.

    Yes, I’ll say it again—they have to be given an alternative vision. Not free cheese, free rubbers, and Obamaphones™—they have to be given the awareness that their current misery comes from the very ideology that has promised all their lives to shield them from misery—for the adherents of that ideology, who surround them, will surely not guide them to an alternative.


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | November 21, 2012 7:14 pm

    some light reading.

    CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH

    INSTRUCTION ON CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE
    “THEOLOGY OF LIBERATION”

    This instruction was adopted at an Ordinary Meeting of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and was approved at an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect by his Holiness Pope John Paul II, who ordered its publication.

    Given at Rome, at the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, on August 6, 1984, the Feast of the Transfiguration of Our Lord.

    Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
    Prefect

    section ‘XI ORIENTATIONS’ is quite clear


  81. Lily
    81 | November 21, 2012 7:15 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Has anyone realized the dems have elected two drug addicts as president? Their only two president wins and both are druggies.

    Amazing isn’t it…although clinton smoking weed but didn’t inhale isn’t quite on par as obama’s coke habit.


  82. lobo91
    82 | November 21, 2012 7:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    And yet Father Pfleger is still preaching hate in Chicago…

    That’s unique case I do believe they tried to remove him but the people threw a hell-fit. Rix would know better concerning him. He doesn’t represent the Church very much.

    Sort of makes all those conspiracy movies and books about the Vatican look silly, doesn’t it?

    The Pope is secretly running the world, but can’t get rid of one dipshit priest?


  83. 83 | November 21, 2012 7:16 pm

    @ Mars:

    Dealing with the media is part three of my own series, as yet unwritten, except for my outline. It can be done, and a Republican President has actually succeeded in this endeavor, and it wasn’t Ronald Reagan. He was a master of something far more impressive. Much of what I have to say was actually laid out in a blue print written by the guy who used to have the task of following Hunter S. Thompson around the country and bonding him almost daily out of jail.


  84. lobo91
    84 | November 21, 2012 7:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    Has anyone realized the dems have elected two drug addicts as president? Their only two president wins and both are druggies.

    Amazing isn’t it…although clinton smoking weed but didn’t inhale isn’t quite on par as obama’s coke habit.

    The problem is that without Clinton’s debasement of the presidency, we never would have had Obama.


  85. buzzsawmonkey
    85 | November 21, 2012 7:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    And yet Father Pfleger is still preaching hate in Chicago…

    Pfather Pfleger is pfull of pshit.


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | November 21, 2012 7:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The problem is that without Clinton’s debasement of the presidency, we never would have had Obama.

    Monica “got her Presidential kneepads” for Bill Clinton.

    Obama has issued “presidential kneepads” to the nation.


  87. Lily
    87 | November 21, 2012 7:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    And yet Father Pfleger is still preaching hate in Chicago…

    That’s unique case I do believe they tried to remove him but the people threw a hell-fit. Rix would know better concerning him. He doesn’t represent the Church very much.

    Sort of makes all those conspiracy movies and books about the Vatican look silly, doesn’t it?

    The Pope is secretly running the world, but can’t get rid of one dipshit priest?

    Don’t know if the Pope is aware of it…it would fall first to the Bishop in that Parish and then the Cardinal who is over that parish concerning that priest.


  88. coldwarrior
    88 | November 21, 2012 7:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Lily:
    And yet Father Pfleger is still preaching hate in Chicago…
    That’s unique case I do believe they tried to remove him but the people threw a hell-fit. Rix would know better concerning him. He doesn’t represent the Church very much.

    Sort of makes all those conspiracy movies and books about the Vatican look silly, doesn’t it?
    The Pope is secretly running the world, but can’t get rid of one dipshit priest?

    henry II knew how to get rid of troublesome clergy…

    Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?”


  89. Lily
    89 | November 21, 2012 7:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    Has anyone realized the dems have elected two drug addicts as president? Their only two president wins and both are druggies.

    Amazing isn’t it…although clinton smoking weed but didn’t inhale isn’t quite on par as obama’s coke habit.

    The problem is that without Clinton’s debasement of the presidency, we never would have had Obama.

    Along with society as well or you wouldn’t of had Clinton.


  90. brookly red
    90 | November 21, 2012 7:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Along with society as well or you wouldn’t of had Clinton.

    chicken, egg,? satan.


  91. 91 | November 21, 2012 7:25 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    The problem is that without Clinton’s debasement of the presidency, we never would have had Obama.
    Monica “got her Presidential kneepads” for Bill Clinton.
    Obama has issued “presidential kneepads” to the nation.

    Not exactly. Remember he does not play for that team. It feels more as though we’ve been raped in the other end of the anatomy.


  92. Lily
    92 | November 21, 2012 7:29 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Along with society as well or you wouldn’t of had Clinton.

    chicken, egg,? satan.

    Well you have to look at the people who voted for Clinton and Obama to see these are the men that the people want to be thier president. Although obama is much worse than Clinton he is a symptom of our society by large. When more people think free things and envy and class warfare are more important than the massive debt this country has we have a problem Houston.


  93. 93 | November 21, 2012 7:30 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Now there’s a visual I didn’t need heading into Thanksgiving. I can see that I’m going to need two shots before beddy bye time this evening.


  94. 94 | November 21, 2012 7:31 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    They all need to be hit over the head with a clue-by-four.


  95. buzzsawmonkey
    95 | November 21, 2012 7:32 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Not exactly. Remember he does not play for that team. It feels more as though we’ve been raped in the other end of the anatomy.

    Supposedly—and I have no idea whatever as to the truth of these allegations—Obama used to sneak off to Chicago’s Man’s Country bath house in order to be gone down on by white men. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that these unconfirmed rumors are true, such behavior would be wholly consistent with the mindset of someone who likes to see himself in the “dominant position.”


  96. brookly red
    96 | November 21, 2012 7:33 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Along with society as well or you wouldn’t of had Clinton.

    chicken, egg,? satan.

    Well you have to look at the people who voted for Clinton and Obama to see these are the men that the people want to be thier president. Although obama is much worse than Clinton he is a symptom of our society by large. When more people think free things and envy and class warfare are more important than the massive debt this country has we have a problem Houston.

    yeah we got a problem, people worship mammon… this is not a new development.


  97. buzzsawmonkey
    97 | November 21, 2012 7:33 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    They all need to be hit over the head with a clue-by-four.

    Perhaps. But whacking someone over the head, however satisfying in the short term, does not win converts to a mindset.


  98. brookly red
    98 | November 21, 2012 7:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    1389AD wrote:

    Not exactly. Remember he does not play for that team. It feels more as though we’ve been raped in the other end of the anatomy.

    Supposedly—and I have no idea whatever as to the truth of these allegations—Obama used to sneak off to Chicago’s Man’s Country bath house in order to be gone down on by white men. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that these unconfirmed rumors are true, such behavior would be wholly consistent with the mindset of someone who likes to see himself in the “dominant position.”

    and yet he married Moochell… my,my,my.


  99. Lily
    99 | November 21, 2012 7:37 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Along with society as well or you wouldn’t of had Clinton.

    chicken, egg,? satan.

    Well you have to look at the people who voted for Clinton and Obama to see these are the men that the people want to be thier president. Although obama is much worse than Clinton he is a symptom of our society by large. When more people think free things and envy and class warfare are more important than the massive debt this country has we have a problem Houston.

    yeah we got a problem, people worship mammon… this is not a new development.

    No it isn’t a new problem but it is getting worse by light speed lately.
    Like the Good Book says, “There is nothing new under the sun.”


  100. brookly red
    100 | November 21, 2012 7:38 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Not exactly. Remember he does not play for that team. It feels more as though we’ve been raped in the other end of the anatomy.

    well also remember his definition of “we” does not include us.


  101. 101 | November 21, 2012 7:39 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Supposedly—and I have no idea whatever as to the truth of these allegations—Obama used to sneak off to Chicago’s Man’s Country bath house in order to be gone down on by white men. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that these unconfirmed rumors are true, such behavior would be wholly consistent with the mindset of someone who likes to see himself in the “dominant position.”

    That…would mean he’s a Pitcher, wouldn’t it?


  102. 102 | November 21, 2012 7:40 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Monica “got her Presidential kneepads” for Bill Clinton.

    Obama has issued “presidential kneepads” to the nation.

    Perhaps one day, someone will bite his dick off….


  103. brookly red
    103 | November 21, 2012 7:42 pm

    well it seems that the natural order of the universe continues…

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/11/21/report-jesse-jackson-jr-resigning-from-congress/


  104. brookly red
    104 | November 21, 2012 7:43 pm

    Macker wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Monica “got her Presidential kneepads” for Bill Clinton.

    Obama has issued “presidential kneepads” to the nation.

    Perhaps one day, someone will bite his dick off….

    /oh great, our first transgendered president…


  105. Lily
    105 | November 21, 2012 7:46 pm

    WOW! I never would have known…

    MSNBC President: “This Channel Has Never Been The Voice Of Obama. Ever.”…

    In an interview with the Huffington Post, MSNBC president Phil Griffin tries to push back against the notion that his channel has become a mouth-piece for President Barack Obama.

    “This channel has never been the voice of Obama. Ever,” Griffin tells Michael Calderone of the Huffington Post. But, Calderone writes, “Griffin acknowledges that his hosts are more likely to agree with Obama on policy matters than with Republicans, but rejects comparisons to Fox News.”

    “People want to talk about Fox. Fox is the voice of the Republican Party,” says Griffin to Calderone.

    Griffin does, however, acknowledge to the left-leaningHuffington Post that many folks working at MSNBC have a “progressive sensibility.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/21/msnbc-president-this-channel-has-never-been-the-voice-of-obama-ever/


  106. Lily
    106 | November 21, 2012 7:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Macker wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Monica “got her Presidential kneepads” for Bill Clinton.

    Obama has issued “presidential kneepads” to the nation.

    Perhaps one day, someone will bite his dick off….

    /oh great, our first transgendered president…

    He already is that…oh wait Newsweek said he was our first Gay President with the rainbow halo.


  107. brookly red
    107 | November 21, 2012 7:51 pm

    Lily wrote:

    He already is that…oh wait Newsweek said he was our first Gay President with the rainbow halo.

    Newsweek…didn’t they go the way of twinkies ?


  108. Lily
    108 | November 21, 2012 7:53 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Yep …I think their last issue is in December if I remember correctly.


  109. brookly red
    109 | November 21, 2012 7:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Yep …I think their last issue is in December if I remember correctly.

    well if CJ is reading this I guess it is proof of evolution :)


  110. Lily
    110 | November 21, 2012 7:57 pm

    Nite all ….have HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!


  111. huckfunn
    111 | November 21, 2012 8:00 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    henry II knew how to get rid of troublesome clergy…

    “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?”

    And he was indeed turbulent. Great scene.
    httpv://youtu.be/7p9CiBJfbik


  112. Bumr50
    112 | November 21, 2012 8:06 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Awesome.


  113. 113 | November 21, 2012 8:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    beer run bbiab

    They make vegetarian beer? :shock:


  114. Speranza
    114 | November 21, 2012 8:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Dan Quayle admitted it was a mistake. Yeah thanks buddy. What’s crazy is that Bush and Quayle didn’t even believe that shit.

    Quite right – it was pandering at its worst.


  115. Speranza
    115 | November 21, 2012 8:09 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Not sure if you’ve gotten my points or not. In your post, you’ve both agreed and simultaneously disagreed with what I’ve said. I do not want to do what Bill O’Riley has done, mostly because I am in no way a fan of his. My point is to start grabbing onto these tactics and marrying them with our message instead. Not fighting against the culture, but embracing our own culture and showing why it is better to live in a free society than as a slave. There is a difference here, and it is an important one.

    I was not disagreeing with you at all, just stating my opinion.


  116. brookly red
    116 | November 21, 2012 8:09 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    beer run bbiab

    They make vegetarian beer?

    hops are not a critter, you do know that?


  117. 117 | November 21, 2012 8:13 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    beer run bbiab
    They make vegetarian beer?

    hops are not a critter, you do know that?

    Have you ever seen a hop?


  118. 118 | November 21, 2012 8:17 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    beer run bbiab
    They make vegetarian beer?
    hops are not a critter, you do know that?

    Have you ever seen a hop?

    Besides, everybody knows vegetarians only drink Soy Wine… :twisted:


  119. brookly red
    119 | November 21, 2012 8:17 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    beer run bbiab
    They make vegetarian beer?

    hops are not a critter, you do know that?

    Have you ever seen a hop?

    yes, I know more than one brewing wench :)


  120. huckfunn
    120 | November 21, 2012 8:19 pm

    The blue states will be singin the blues.
    OWN IT: Top 5 States to be Hit Hardest by 2013 Tax Increases — Supported Obama!


  121. Bumr50
    121 | November 21, 2012 8:19 pm

    HopDevil


  122. 122 | November 21, 2012 8:20 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    The blue states will be singin the blues.
    OWN IT: Top 5 States to be Hit Hardest by 2013 Tax Increases — Supported Obama!

    Suckers.


  123. Bumr50
    123 | November 21, 2012 8:21 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Suckers.

    I see what you did there!


  124. huckfunn
    124 | November 21, 2012 8:21 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Have you ever seen a hop?

    Yep!
    httpv://youtu.be/wEHks6x6vAA


  125. brookly red
    125 | November 21, 2012 8:21 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    beer run bbiab
    They make vegetarian beer?
    hops are not a critter, you do know that?

    Have you ever seen a hop?

    Besides, everybody knows vegetarians only drink Soy Wine…

    I am not a veggie, I eat fish, eggs, cheese etc. I just don’t eat commercially produced meat products… hey if you wanna pop a cap in Bambi’s ass I am down for the neck roast but no growth hormones for me.


  126. 126 | November 21, 2012 8:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    beer run bbiab
    They make vegetarian beer?
    hops are not a critter, you do know that?
    Have you ever seen a hop?

    yes, I know more than one brewing wench

    You don’t know no wenches… :twisted:


  127. buzzsawmonkey
    127 | November 21, 2012 8:22 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Have you ever seen a hop?

    I’ve seen bunnies…


  128. huckfunn
    128 | November 21, 2012 8:23 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Love it.


  129. brookly red
    129 | November 21, 2012 8:23 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    The blue states will be singin the blues.
    OWN IT: Top 5 States to be Hit Hardest by 2013 Tax Increases — Supported Obama!

    well if they didn’t mean to take it they should have not bent over…


  130. 130 | November 21, 2012 8:23 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    hey if you wanna pop a cap in Bambi’s ass I am down for the neck roast but no growth hormones for me.

    Oh, I loves poppen a cap in Bambi’s ass… :twisted: Get’s me some least twice a year… :grin:


  131. brookly red
    131 | November 21, 2012 8:25 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    beer run bbiab
    They make vegetarian beer?
    hops are not a critter, you do know that?
    Have you ever seen a hop?

    yes, I know more than one brewing wench

    You don’t know no wenches…

    your still pissed bout the Chevy… time to get over it :)


  132. 132 | November 21, 2012 8:25 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Have you ever seen a hop?
    I’ve seen bunnies…

    Thar’s a joke in their somewhere… I just knows it… :razz:


  133. 133 | November 21, 2012 8:25 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ coldwarrior:
    i’m not Catholic and knew nothing of the Jesuit involvement with the hideous ideology of liberation theology. it’s shocking and disgusting.


  134. 134 | November 21, 2012 8:25 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    @ huckfunn:

    ;)


  135. 135 | November 21, 2012 8:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    beer run bbiab
    They make vegetarian beer?
    hops are not a critter, you do know that?
    Have you ever seen a hop?
    yes, I know more than one brewing wench
    You don’t know no wenches…

    your still pissed bout the Chevy… time to get over it

    Can’t get over it till it sells… :sad:


  136. huckfunn
    136 | November 21, 2012 8:26 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well if they didn’t mean to take it they should have not bent over…

    BO will have the Czar of Exemptions and Dispensations review this policy on a blue state by blue state level.


  137. 137 | November 21, 2012 8:27 pm

    G’night all!


  138. huckfunn
    138 | November 21, 2012 8:28 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    G’nite Mac. Good post.


  139. brookly red
    139 | November 21, 2012 8:33 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    hey if you wanna pop a cap in Bambi’s ass I am down for the neck roast but no growth hormones for me.

    Oh, I loves poppen a cap in Bambi’s ass… Get’s me some least twice a year…

    OK now we can talk. I like the neck roast and the ribs. I don’t usually get my own but when I do .243 Win Mag is how I roll.


  140. brookly red
    140 | November 21, 2012 8:33 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Have you ever seen a hop?
    I’ve seen bunnies…

    Thar’s a joke in their somewhere… I just knows it…

    Jimmy Carter :)


  141. lobo91
    141 | November 21, 2012 8:35 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Have you ever seen a hop?
    I’ve seen bunnies…

    Thar’s a joke in their somewhere… I just knows it…

    Bunnies:

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPplDPm2m4Y


  142. 142 | November 21, 2012 8:46 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Oh the horror… :shock:


  143. lobo91
    143 | November 21, 2012 8:48 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Oh the horror…

    It was the only bunny song I could think of…


  144. buzzsawmonkey
    144 | November 21, 2012 8:54 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    and yet he married Moochell… my,my,my.

    Macker wrote:

    That…would mean he’s a Pitcher, wouldn’t it?

    People are remarkably innocent, it seems, about sexual pathologies.

    I know someone who is homosexually inclined, yet who has an adulation for certain women, including “Buffy” and Sarah Palin.

    I know of people who dress up in leather sadomasochistic drag to seek sexual partners, yet who are pussycats in normal life.

    There is no contradiction between Obama being the servile toady of one or more strong women, and his seeking to reassert his “dominance” in another area; indeed, his servility in the one area makes his preening performance in the other area more likely rather than less.


  145. brookly red
    145 | November 21, 2012 9:13 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    and yet he married Moochell… my,my,my.

    Macker wrote:

    That…would mean he’s a Pitcher, wouldn’t it?

    People are remarkably innocent, it seems, about sexual pathologies.

    I know someone who is homosexually inclined, yet who has an adulation for certain women, including “Buffy” and Sarah Palin.

    I know of people who dress up in leather sadomasochistic drag to seek sexual partners, yet who are pussycats in normal life.

    There is no contradiction between Obama being the servile toady of one or more strong women, and his seeking to reassert his “dominance” in another area; indeed, his servility in the one area makes his preening performance in the other area more likely rather than less.

    yeah kinky … this dude fucked 300 million people.


  146. 146 | November 21, 2012 9:16 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    and yet he married Moochell… my,my,my.
    Macker wrote:
    That…would mean he’s a Pitcher, wouldn’t it?
    People are remarkably innocent, it seems, about sexual pathologies.
    I know someone who is homosexually inclined, yet who has an adulation for certain women, including “Buffy” and Sarah Palin.
    I know of people who dress up in leather sadomasochistic drag to seek sexual partners, yet who are pussycats in normal life.
    There is no contradiction between Obama being the servile toady of one or more strong women, and his seeking to reassert his “dominance” in another area; indeed, his servility in the one area makes his preening performance in the other area more likely rather than less.

    yeah kinky … this dude fucked 300 million people.

    And 175 million of them LIKED IT… :shock:


  147. brookly red
    147 | November 21, 2012 9:21 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    and yet he married Moochell… my,my,my.
    Macker wrote:
    That…would mean he’s a Pitcher, wouldn’t it?
    People are remarkably innocent, it seems, about sexual pathologies.
    I know someone who is homosexually inclined, yet who has an adulation for certain women, including “Buffy” and Sarah Palin.
    I know of people who dress up in leather sadomasochistic drag to seek sexual partners, yet who are pussycats in normal life.
    There is no contradiction between Obama being the servile toady of one or more strong women, and his seeking to reassert his “dominance” in another area; indeed, his servility in the one area makes his preening performance in the other area more likely rather than less.

    yeah kinky … this dude fucked 300 million people.

    And 175 million of them LIKED IT…

    There’s got to be a morning after
    If we can hold on through the night
    We have a chance to find the sunshine
    Let’s keep on looking for the light

    yes we can!


  148. 148 | November 21, 2012 10:02 pm

    Did we just pressure Israel to lift the blockade in return for Egypt’s promise to keep arms from interring Gaza? Please tell me I’m wrong!


  149. lobo91
    149 | November 21, 2012 10:07 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Did we just pressure Israel to lift the blockade in return for Egypt’s promise to keep arms from interring Gaza? Please tell me I’m wrong!

    Something like that, yeah.


  150. 150 | November 21, 2012 10:08 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    beer run bbiab
    They make vegetarian beer?
    hops are not a critter, you do know that?
    Have you ever seen a hop?
    Besides, everybody knows vegetarians only drink Soy Wine…

    I am not a veggie, I eat fish, eggs, cheese etc. I just don’t eat commercially produced meat products… hey if you wanna pop a cap in Bambi’s ass I am down for the neck roast but no growth hormones for me.

    Actually you aim for the heart. Going for the butt just leaves a wounded and very angry buck that might bleed to death someplace, or on the other hand, if he isn’t wounded that badly, he just might come back and look for you.


  151. 151 | November 21, 2012 10:10 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    beer run bbiab
    They make vegetarian beer?
    hops are not a critter, you do know that?

    Have you ever seen a hop?

    Not in person.


  152. buzzsawmonkey
    152 | November 21, 2012 10:23 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Did we just pressure Israel to lift the blockade in return for Egypt’s promise to keep arms from interring Gaza? Please tell me I’m wrong!

    According to Carl in Jerusalem:

    This very brief, unsourced piece in Hebrew perhaps explains everything that’s going on. It explains why Hillary Clinton is suddenly here. It explains why Israel is sitting at the edge of Gaza without going in. It explains why there have been less bombing missions today (Wednesday) than any other day.

    The piece claims that President Obama has agreed in principle for the IDF to conquer Gaza and throw Hamas out. (Link in Hebrew only).

    But… and it’s a huge but. He wants Gaza turned over to ‘moderate’ ‘Palestinian’ President Mahmoud Abbas Abu Mazen and, so that this can be portrayed as Abu Mazen ‘saving’ the ‘Palestinians’ and to strengthen Abu Mazen’s position, he wants Israel to immediately declare a ‘Palestinian state’ in wide swaths of Judea and Samaria, which would of course also be turned over to Abu Mazen.

    As a bonus (not mentioned in the article), Abu Mazen would presumably then drop his appeal to the United Nations.

    The Israeli government is said to be furious because if Israel does not agree, Obama will not back a ground operation, effectively a veto.

    Although this has no sourcing, it makes too much sense. It explains why the Israeli government has not agreed to it. We’re being asked to choose our poison.

    What could go wrong?

    UPDATE 10:09 PM

    A cease fire was declared an hour ago. Prime Minister Netanyahu apparently decided he would rather let Hamas live to fight another day than give Fatah all of Gaza and most of Judea and Samaria for their ‘state.’ Probably the right move under the circumstances.


  153. brookly red
    153 | November 21, 2012 10:25 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Did we just pressure Israel to lift the blockade in return for Egypt’s promise to keep arms from interring Gaza? Please tell me I’m wrong!

    what part of hope and change did you not understand? this is no longer of men, the antichrist will back the Jews up into a corner where they will be forced to use nuclear weapons to survive another day. Please don’t use the word “we” when discussing it… we had nothing to do with it.


  154. 154 | November 21, 2012 10:27 pm

    Netanyahu should simply have pretended not to receive any messages from Hillary, Obama, et. al.

    And then have unexpected delays at the airport if any of them tried to come in.

    If anybody complained, he could have asked: “Where were you when your own ambassador pleaded for your help?”


  155. buzzsawmonkey
    155 | November 21, 2012 10:30 pm

    The Wreck of the Old ’87
    —apologies to “The Wreck of the Old 97″

    Well, they gave us our blueprint back in Philadelphia
    Sayin’ “This is the Constitution.
    It is a republic, if you can but keep it
    But if you stray from this the country’s done.”

    Then we took that document and started building a nation
    For a couple hundred years or so
    And though we amended it upon occasion
    That blueprint helped our country grow

    But alas, over time people slowly discovered
    That they could tap into the treasury
    Voting benefits that they called entitlements
    And they thought that all of it was free

    What could this do but lead to a major disaster?
    They elevated to be President
    Someone who could not even pass a basic budget
    But who set records for the cash he spent.

    He has grabbed for himself unconstitutional power
    Trying to rule by presidential decree
    And to replace the blueprint for limited government
    With a regulatory jamboree

    So now all you voters better take a warnin’
    From this time on and learn
    Never trade your freedom for government promises
    If you want to retain what you earn


  156. 156 | November 21, 2012 10:58 pm

    Where is everybody?

    Busy cooking food ahead of time?


  157. lobo91
    157 | November 21, 2012 11:11 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I’ve been watching Expendables 2. I think it was sponsored by AARP :)


  158. rain of lead
    158 | November 22, 2012 12:44 am

    1389AD wrote:

    Where is everybody?

    Busy cooking food ahead of time?

    YUP
    just got tom all prepped
    I don’t do “stuffing” we have dressing
    ole tom is full of onions,garlic,carrots, and celery


  159. rain of lead
    159 | November 22, 2012 12:49 am

    @ rain of lead:

    gonna do a slow roast
    300d till done
    about 170d


  160. 160 | November 22, 2012 4:06 am

    Either everybody is asleep, or they’re wrestling with that not-quite-thawed turkey…


  161. 161 | November 22, 2012 5:22 am

    Good morning everyone. Just winding up the anniversary party. Probably won’t be a post tomorrow. Have a happy Thanksgiving.


  162. 162 | November 22, 2012 6:18 am

    @ PaladinPhil:

    Good night shot of the lights…


  163. coldwarrior
    163 | November 22, 2012 6:19 am

    the tentative schedule for today is an educational Thanksgiving open thread at 0700est.

    maybe another open if needed

    at 1700est some interesting articles on the Mayan calendar.

    at 2200est, BunkX’s thanksgiving OOT.


  164. 164 | November 22, 2012 6:22 am

    @ Mike C.:
    Yonge St this time of year has lighted displays like that all over. Will probably do a wander down the strip later this month early December to catch them all.


  165. 165 | November 22, 2012 6:44 am

    Lawdy. I arose to find Mrs. MacDuff having departed on an early commerce sortie. Geez, better her than me.

    She made coffee, though……..


  166. coldwarrior
    166 | November 22, 2012 6:50 am

    @ MacDuff:

    good on her!

    i was scheduled to work today (would have been on double time $$$$) but it looks like i am going to be cancelled for the day, so I will start the turkey now!


  167. Da_Beerfreak
    167 | November 22, 2012 6:54 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the tentative schedule for today is an educational Thanksgiving open thread at 0700est.

    maybe another open if needed

    at 1700est some interesting articles on the Mayan calendar.

    at 2200est, BunkX’s thanksgiving OOT.

    The Mayan calendar does not include leap years. The World has already ended. :shock:


  168. coldwarrior
    168 | November 22, 2012 6:55 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The Mayan calendar does not include leap years. The World has already ended. :shock:

    DAMN! i knew something was amiss!


  169. Da_Beerfreak
    169 | November 22, 2012 6:57 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The Mayan calendar does not include leap years. The World has already ended.

    DAMN! i knew something was amiss!

    … and I feel fine … :mrgreen:


  170. 170 | November 22, 2012 7:18 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    good on her!

    i was scheduled to work today (would have been on double time $$$$) but it looks like i am going to be cancelled for the day, so I will start the turkey now!

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    good on her!

    i was scheduled to work today (would have been on double time $$$$) but it looks like i am going to be cancelled for the day, so I will start the turkey now!

    Money tends to come and go, but we’ve a finite number of Thanksgivings, and I certainly hope you enjoy yours. I hope Mrs. CW is well and continues to improve, no doubt that’ll be high on your list of thanksgivings!


  171. 171 | November 22, 2012 7:19 am

    I sprang for a fried turkey breast from a local butcher (I’ve become quite Tim Tayloresque since the stroke – staying away from vats of boiling oil is…..prudent). I will, however, be starting my decadent corn pudding, shortly.

    ‘Tis just Mrs. MacDuff and myself as it is most every year. We’ve considered going to a restaurant, but that just wouldn’t feel quite right. Traditions can exist with two as well as with 22.

    Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, all!


  172. coldwarrior
    172 | November 22, 2012 7:22 am

    new thread y’all / yinz!


  173. Guggi
    173 | November 22, 2012 7:27 am

    The quality of ideas seems to play a minor role in mass movement leadership. What counts is the arrogant gesture, the complete disregard of the opinion of others, the singlehanded defiance of the world.

    (Eric Hoffer)


  174. 174 | November 22, 2012 10:04 am

    Guggi wrote:

    The quality of ideas seems to play a minor role in mass movement leadership. What counts is the arrogant gesture, the complete disregard of the opinion of others, the singlehanded defiance of the world.

    (Eric Hoffer)

    Thanks for posting that, he’s as relevant now as he ever was!


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