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The Mechanics Of Winning Back The Culture: Part One

by Flyovercountry ( 191 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2016, Politics at November 21st, 2012 - 2:00 pm

Concerning my comments yesterday on winning back the culture, and having more than a few tell me, “easier said than done,” “we should just move to Texas and wait for the inevitable Texan Secession,” “how do we go about doing that,” or my personal favorite, “just give it up already, The GOP has no interest in winning elections or giving up their move towards the left.” I believe the time has come to fight on even harder, that America is worth saving from the Marxists who have recently taken control of the nation. I also do not believe that the majority of Republican Officials actually believe in Marxism as a solution, but merely see it as the pathway to greater electoral success.

Milton Friedman once said:

Our problems will never be solved by electing the right people to office. Our problems will only be solved by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things.

Phase one of learning how to win back the culture is understanding how it was lost in the first place. Where did we lose it, when, how, and how can we go about the business of replicating that success for ourselves? How can we hasten the process, as we haven’t got the same amount of time as was enjoyed by the leftists when they embarked on this path?

Step one for them was to completely infiltrate our entire public education system, and they began this back in the 1960′s. Today, no matter who controls the executive branch of our government, the only message that ever reaches our children in our public schools is that which is approved by the left of center crowd. Hard Sciences have been largely halved in their class room exposure time, and such feel good nonsense as conflict resolution and gender empathy has taken up the slack. History lessons have been revised to reflect a more central committee approved tone, as well as a revised history of our economic system and success. Andrew Carnegie has gone from being an industrialist with vision and initiative who became a philanthropist during his later years to a robber baron who held the advancement of common folk at bay with his rapacious heel.

When most of us went to school, we learned of the things that made America unique. We learned about our nation and how our founding fathers eschewed the temptations of claiming to be royalty and instead decided upon a representative republic for our form of governance. We learned that rather than having class lines determine the futures of any who were born here, each person would be allowed to determine his or her own path in a society where class lines would no longer exist, and in a society where we each would be allowed to self determine how the fruits of our own labors would be allocated.

Those things have not been taught in our schools for quite some time. A more Keynesian view of economics has replaced the virtues of the free market system. Our founding fathers have become racist, out of date, antiquated, cranky old white men. The Constitution, and its guarantee of protecting the freedoms endowed by our creator has become uncool, and thus transformed into a, “living,” document so that it would lend itself somehow to concepts which carried more, “empathy,” for those deemed worthy of such consideration. Public Largess became cool, and those who get be robbed of their hard earned rewards for their life’s labors in order to pay for the free goodies for others became greedy evil corporatists, and it only took 50 years to accomplish this.

Getting our own concepts taught in schools, while possible, will take another 50 years to accomplish, longer if we are forced to fight for that lost ground. What we can do immediately is to begin the process of deprogramming our children when they return from school each and every day. Discuss the day’s lessons, and counter the narrative, and do it every single day. When I was a child, my family ate dinner together, as a daily family event, and this happened without exception. Use that time to turn the conversation to deprogramming your children, and do this with an intensity that should be applied to saving our country.

Believe it or not, our message can be made cool again, and we can find methods of getting it out into the culture.

To those kiddies who are at or close to 18, we need to make, “self determination,” our message of the new cool. Living life on the public dole comes with strings, and living life with no strings attached is much more fun than having to answer to, “the man.” In the following clip, offered by John Stossel and the folks at LibertyPen, it is absolutely astounding to me that this group of Obama voters have absolutely zero concept of what freedom actually means. It’s not that they’re against freedom of choice, it is that they have absolutely no idea what freedom of choice actually is. In short, we have no idea how many of these people would actually embrace the concept of freedom and self determination if they actually understood it, or at any point in their lives had been exposed to this as any kind of a working concept. If that number had been as high as 5%, Barack Obama would not have won a second Presidential election.

It is not too late to turn this around.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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191 Responses to “The Mechanics Of Winning Back The Culture: Part One”
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  1. 1 | November 21, 2012 2:11 pm

    Awesome thread and it hits upon a theme Mars and I have been talking about.


  2. 2 | November 21, 2012 2:11 pm

    It’s never too late. Soap box, ballot box, cartridge box…

    Let’s see if we can avoid that last one.


  3. 3 | November 21, 2012 2:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Working on part two now, and it’s running a lot longer than I originally thought it would. The bottom line is that I believe we can right this ship, and I am not willing personally to concede this great nation to the inmates who have taken over the asylum. As Mike C. has so adeptly pointed out, we can do this with the soap box and ballot box, and while the cartridge box is there if we need it, not needing it is preferable.


  4. 4 | November 21, 2012 2:17 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Yup, I want to avoid the last one. But here’s the kicker, we can come up with all the greatest ideas, but until the 800 lib Gorilla media is dealt with, not much will change. The media shapes and molds perceptions. Look at how they have convinced Americans, this is the greatest economic boom ever. It’s amazing the power of the media.


  5. 5 | November 21, 2012 2:19 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    This was Mars thread last night it’s very related to this.


  6. 6 | November 21, 2012 2:19 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That’s the subject of part three of this series.


  7. 7 | November 21, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    I’m tired of the defeatism on some parts of the Right. We lost and need to assess what to do in order to win going forward. We didn’t get blown out either, so a few modifications can push us over the top.


  8. 8 | November 21, 2012 2:24 pm

    The media (of it’s day) is why we got a federal republic, and the media (of today) is why we have the Free shit Army in control. Of course, the necessary audience for the message was a bit more restricted in James Madison’s day.


  9. lobo91
    9 | November 21, 2012 2:25 pm

    If that number had been as high as 5%, Barack Obama would not have won a second Presidential election.

    Of course, that depends on where they live. Since they mostly live in the middle of solid Democrat states, the most that probably would have happened is Romney would have won the popular vote and Obama would still have won the electoral vote.


  10. lobo91
    10 | November 21, 2012 2:29 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    The media (of it’s day) is why we got a federal republic, and the media (of today) is why we have the Free shit Army in control. Of course, the necessary audience for the message was a bit more restricted in James Madison’s day.

    I’m pretty sure that Madison would be apalled to see the people we allow to vote today.

    There’s a reason that voting was limited to property owners originally. They were actually able to predict the rise of the Free Shit Army.


  11. 11 | November 21, 2012 2:33 pm

    It’s not that they’re against freedom of choice, it is that they have absolutely no idea what freedom of choice actually is.

    They think “Freedom of choice” means that a woman who wants an abortion gets a dead-baby guarantee with that abortion. That is really what kids today think of when they hear “Choice”. Self-determination is something that not only have they never been taught, but most of their parents have never been taught it either. When the Baby Boom generation began having children, they out-sourced the raising of those children to the State through public “education” which, as Flyover Country noted, is ruled entirely by Leftists. Those kids grew up and did the same thing. Taking that back is going to be hard, if not impossible. Someone once said that you can lose the United States in a single generation. We are on the third generation of people being taught that freedom isn’t that big a thing, and that the State is supposed to be all powerful.


  12. 12 | November 21, 2012 2:34 pm

    Start with school boards then. I posted a link to an e-book last night “Take Back Your Government” by Robert Heinlein. It can be found on the baen.com website and through their e-book shopping site. A lot of decisions for school funding starts in school boards. If we start there we can start righting a lot of errors that have trickled up. Believe it or not school boards do influence a lot of curriculum and teaching standards. A good example of a bad school board is the Toronto District School Board which panders to every leftest talking point, teaching point, and meme under the face of the sun.

    Small positions can influence larger positions. Start local and work out from there.


  13. RIX
    13 | November 21, 2012 2:34 pm

    Part of the problem in reclaiming things is the war in
    the Republican Party to purge the Tea Party.
    Mistakes were made with some wacky candidates getting
    nominated with Tea Party credentials, Akin, Murdoch,
    Sharon Angle & Christine O’Donnell to name a few.
    But I think that the Tea Party is a net positive & you
    don’t win by subtraction.


  14. buzzsawmonkey
    14 | November 21, 2012 2:35 pm

    The progressive takeover of the schools began, in a small way, at least as far back as the 1930s. The lovely WPA murals, which are now being torn out of the schools and destroyed because they are not sufficiently PC, were, at the time they were put in, primary examples of the Communist Party’s multicultural line—as it was at the time. In other words, they were put in the schools to indoctrinate the youth of 70 years in the multicultural line of that day.

    The disappearance of those Party Line murals shows how the Left has moved the goalposts over the past 80 years.


  15. 15 | November 21, 2012 2:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    The media (of it’s day) is why we got a federal republic, and the media (of today) is why we have the Free shit Army in control. Of course, the necessary audience for the message was a bit more restricted in James Madison’s day.
    I’m pretty sure that Madison would be apalled to see the people we allow to vote today.
    There’s a reason that voting was limited to property owners originally. They were actually able to predict the rise of the Free Shit Army.

    For years I have had this picture of James Madison, standing in front of a mirror, in breeches but bare-chested, kitting himself up like Stallone in the intro to one of those Rambo movies -- sword, powder horn, bullet pouch, knife, flintlock rifle, etc. If I could draw, it would have been a classic cartoon by now.


  16. buzzsawmonkey
    16 | November 21, 2012 2:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Mistakes were made with some wacky candidates getting
    nominated with Tea Party credentials, Akin, Murdoch,
    Sharon Angle & Christine O’Donnell to name a few.

    That is because the Tea Party—foolishly—eschewed any formal organization, which allowed any whacko around to claim, “I’m Tea Party!” and tap into the support of Tea Party sympathizers.

    That is a problem the Tea Party brought upon itself.


  17. lobo91
    17 | November 21, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    We definitely need to pay attention to the school boards. I was amazed by the number of far-left candidates we had running here during the last board election. I didn’t think we even had that many nuts living here.

    They get away with it in this part of the country by scheduling the school board elections at odd times. As I recall, ours is in March. As a result, turnout is tiny. You can win a school board seat with a few thousand votes, and no campaign expenditures.


  18. lobo91
    18 | November 21, 2012 2:42 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    For years I have had this picture of James Madison, standing in front of a mirror, in breeches but bare-chested, kitting himself up like Stallone in the intro to one of those Rambo movies — sword, powder horn, bullet pouch, knife, flintlock rifle, etc. If I could draw, it would have been a classic cartoon by now.

    Absolutely.


  19. RIX
    19 | November 21, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is because the Tea Party—foolishly—eschewed any formal organization, which allowed any whacko around to claim, “I’m Tea Party!” and tap into the support of Tea Party sympathizers.

    That is a problem the Tea Party brought upon itself.

    The Tea Party never actually saw themselves as any kind
    of structured organization.
    They are basically a low taxes movement & you are correct,
    some people boot strapped on to them that should have been
    ignored.
    My point is though that if the Republicans purge them, it will
    just spawn another party & split the vote.


  20. 20 | November 21, 2012 2:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They get away with it in this part of the country by scheduling the school board elections at odd times. As I recall, ours is in March. As a result, turnout is tiny. You can win a school board seat with a few thousand votes, and no campaign expenditures.

    Use their tactics against them. I am sure it could be done.


  21. 21 | November 21, 2012 2:45 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That is why I think the GOP should remake itself as the party of rebellion against the system. The Left have made it out that we are the System and its a lie. We should be the rebellious party of Liberation.

    What do you think of a name change for the the GOP?


  22. buzzsawmonkey
    22 | November 21, 2012 2:45 pm

    Two things which must be done to recapture the culture/terms of debate:

    1) Make, and start running, ads on the mainstream media channels that deal with issues like Fast & Furious, Benghazi, the pissing away of the Stimulus money, the national debt, the concept of freedom from regulation/government, etc. Things which show what the Obama Administration is up to.

    The Leftist media have frozen discussion of these matters out of their news shows. Fine: use the power of the market to force these issues into people’s consciousness.

    2) Start producing, and distributing—and paying to air, if necessary—a series of cartoons that are amusing and entertaining, but which espouse principles of freedom. What is needed is a Bugs Bunny-type character constantly besting Leftist versions of Yosemite Sam, Elmer Fudd and Daffy Duck. Such cartoons would reach people on a very fundamental level, if properly done.

    These cartoons, from an earlier age, are too slow for today’s viewer with the nanosecond attention span. But they show how such cartoons were used in an earlier era to communicate and reinforce the principles of freedom and personal responsibility:

    a) “Make Mine Freedom”

    b) Disney’s “The Grasshopper and the Ants”


  23. 23 | November 21, 2012 2:46 pm

    @ RIX:

    Many of those screaming tea Party, where really not Tea Party Conservatives. They have given the movement a bad name, which is why I suspect people like Angle are false flag.


  24. 24 | November 21, 2012 2:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ PaladinPhil:
    We definitely need to pay attention to the school boards. I was amazed by the number of far-left candidates we had running here during the last board election. I didn’t think we even had that many nuts living here.
    They get away with it in this part of the country by scheduling the school board elections at odd times. As I recall, ours is in March. As a result, turnout is tiny. You can win a school board seat with a few thousand votes, and no campaign expenditures.

    That is something not many Conservatives grasp. It’s the school boards where the Progressive power structure begins.


  25. RIX
    25 | November 21, 2012 2:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Many of those screaming tea Party, where really not Tea Party Conservatives. They have given the movement a bad name, which is why I suspect people like Angle are false flag.

    A lot of people used the Tea Party.
    As far as Sharon Angel, whatever else she is,
    she is a raging loon.


  26. lobo91
    26 | November 21, 2012 2:51 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I always vote by absentee ballot, so I have plenty of time to sit down with my ballot and laptop and research these people. I do the same thing with the judicial retention elections, which are another joke.

    The first name I put into Google from the last school board election, the very first hit that came up was her own website, which had the title “Progressive Activist.”


  27. buzzsawmonkey
    27 | November 21, 2012 2:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    We definitely need to pay attention to the school boards. I was amazed by the number of far-left candidates we had running here during the last board election. I didn’t think we even had that many nuts living here.

    They get away with it in this part of the country by scheduling the school board elections at odd times. As I recall, ours is in March. As a result, turnout is tiny. You can win a school board seat with a few thousand votes, and no campaign expenditures.

    My father ran for school board (successfully) several times—both elementary and high school. He ran as an independent—and during his first run for high school board was bitterly fought because he was a Jew and running against an entrenched power structure centered in a restricted country club. The other candidates from the power structure slate were so furious that he won that they did not speak to him directly for the entire first year of his three-year term; he was able to affect the board only by packing attendance at the meetings and having these attendees pressure the other board members.

    Before the end of his second term on that board, they elected him president.


  28. 28 | November 21, 2012 2:52 pm

    @ lobo91:
    That’s really a good idea. I do research on judges and school board candidates. They tend to be “non-partisan” but checking their website gives away their agenda.


  29. 29 | November 21, 2012 2:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    What do you think of a name change for the the GOP?

    Not practical. You have roughly 30-35% of the population that reflexively votes Republican, just as you have roughly 40% of the population that reflexively votes Democrat. If you try to change the name of the party, some “new” “Republican” party will pick up those votes, and the re-branded Republican Party will only get a fraction of the vote that it otherwise would have.


  30. 30 | November 21, 2012 2:55 pm

    @ RIX:

    These loons ruined the Tea Party label. It’s now toxic in American politics. When people think of Tea Party, they now think of Sharon Angle, Todd Akins, Rick Santorum and O’Donnell. People like Pat Toomey of Kristin Noem get no mention.


  31. 31 | November 21, 2012 2:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s tough to do, you are right.


  32. lobo91
    32 | November 21, 2012 2:56 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    That’s really a good idea. I do research on judges and school board candidates. They tend to be “non-partisan” but checking their website gives away their agenda.

    All those offices are non-partisan here. Judges, school boards, city council, mayor. The only partisan offices we have are at the state level.

    It takes a little more work to find information on the judges. The state has a commission that publishes recommendations on which ones should be retained, but it’s a joke. This year, they issued exactly 1 “do not retain” rating in the entire state.


  33. buzzsawmonkey
    33 | November 21, 2012 2:56 pm

    BTW, when Dad ran for the board the first time he was considered a wild-eyed radical. He wasn’t, but that’s how the opposition tried to paint him.

    During his last run for local office, he was the darling of the local religious right. And he hadn’t changed his positions, either.

    His last campaign was for the local Village Board. He was supported by some people who disagreed with his positions—because after thirty years of public service, they knew that he was an honest man who, if he disagreed with them, it was on a principled basis. And when he was sworn in, he refused to sign the “statement in support of diversity” that all Board members, up to then, had signed; he said there was no black or white way, no gay or straight way, to pick up the garbage and pave the streets.


  34. 34 | November 21, 2012 2:58 pm

    @ Rodan:

    You forget: Rubio came out of the Tea PArty. Rick Santorum, OTOH< had nothing to do with the Tea PArty. You lump all the Republicans that you don't like together and call them "Tea PArty" because some of them were in the Tea Party. Other than you and Speranza, nobody thinks of Sharon Angle at all any more, and Todd Akin will be the same way by the time another election rolls around. OTOH, people like Jim DeMint and Marco Rubio will be presenting the face of the Tea Party for that election.


  35. 35 | November 21, 2012 2:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ RIX:

    Here’s an interesting take on the damage the GOP brand has.


  36. 36 | November 21, 2012 3:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That was my point. People like Santorum have nothing zip zero to do with the Tea Party. Yet somehow, they are called Tea party, which they are not. Santorum hijacked the label and the media obliged to smear the movement.

    DeMint and Marco Rubio will be presenting the face of the Tea Party for that election.

    Don’t forget Pat Toomey, he was Tea party before it existed. He challenged Specter back in 04 and called out Bush’s Liberal fiscal policies.


  37. Lily
    37 | November 21, 2012 3:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ PaladinPhil:

    We definitely need to pay attention to the school boards. I was amazed by the number of far-left candidates we had running here during the last board election. I didn’t think we even had that many nuts living here.

    They get away with it in this part of the country by scheduling the school board elections at odd times. As I recall, ours is in March. As a result, turnout is tiny. You can win a school board seat with a few thousand votes, and no campaign expenditures.

    On the ballot box here were school board term limits. Which I agree once you are on the school board you should have term limits.


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    38 | November 21, 2012 3:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    People like Santorum have nothing zip zero to do with the Tea Party. Yet somehow, they are called Tea party, which they are not. Santorum hijacked the label and the media obliged to smear the movement.

    This is one reason why I thought the constant whining about the Lefty “Teabagger” sneer was foolish.

    People who attempted to hijack the Tea Party mantle should have been called “Teabaggers,” by the Tea Party people themselves—because they were carpetbagging the Tea Party movement. Instead of grabbing and co-opting a term which would have been useful to keep the pretenders out, the Tea Party people started looking wimpish, silly, prudish and small-detail-obsessed.


  39. lobo91
    39 | November 21, 2012 3:15 pm

    Illinois Rep. Jackson resigns from Congress

    At least they won’t have to kick him out after he goes to jail…


  40. 40 | November 21, 2012 3:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    These loons ruined the Tea Party label. It’s now toxic in American politics. When people think of Tea Party, they now think of Sharon Angle, Todd Akins, Rick Santorum and O’Donnell. People like Pat Toomey of Kristin Noem get no mention.

    While I agree that the likes of O’Donnell, Angle, et al became the face the media assigned to the Tea Party, they had pigeonholed the Tea Party as “fringe kooks” long before these cringe-worthy candidates imploded.

    I don’t blame O’Donnell, Angle et al as much for ruining the image of the Tea Party as much as I do for living up to the media’s preconceived notions.

    A minor disagreement, that.


  41. Lily
    41 | November 21, 2012 3:19 pm

    Winning back our culture is going to be an up hill climb. For one our culture has been pushing the envelope each and ever year to see what they can get away with…and apparently it is a lot. Getting back to basics is going to also be a up hill climb not impossible. I had thought that people had had enough after four years of obama..boy I was wrong. They are woefully uninformed concerning obama. And as the video up above showed..they think obama *cares* more for them. No he doesn’t. He stated straight out that he is going to raise taxes and even let his mask slip and still people didn’t want to believe the truth. The truth is propaganda and propaganda is the truth. Which I find odd. For some reason too many people still have rose colored glasses on concerning obama. They are more concerned with this *fake war on women*, *fake Global Warming*, *class warfare*….instead of freedom and the rising debt this country is in. And obamacare is going to be one great big shocker to a lot of people. Maybe this shock might right the ship. One can only hope and pray it does. We as a nation are horribly divided yet people who voted for obama see it as the reason of Republicans who have done this when in reality it has been obama. After 9/11 this country just went nuts.


  42. 42 | November 21, 2012 3:19 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    And when he was sworn in, he refused to sign the “statement in support of diversity” that all Board members, up to then, had signed; he said there was no black or white way, no gay or straight way, to pick up the garbage and pave the streets.

    You sound like a chip off the ol’ block…..or an apple having not fallen far from the tree, whichever adage you prefer. ;)


  43. Lily
    43 | November 21, 2012 3:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Illinois Rep. Jackson resigns from Congress

    At least they won’t have to kick him out after he goes to jail…

    Why was he even on the ballot anyway? He was MIA most the time and embroiled in an investiagation.


  44. 44 | November 21, 2012 3:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Illinois Rep. Jackson resigns from Congress

    At least they won’t have to kick him out after he goes to jail…

    I’m still trying to wrap my head around his being elected after being away for an extended period and checking himself into a mental hospital……actually, I’m being facetious -- I’m afraid my head’s wrapped around it all to well, alas.


  45. Lily
    45 | November 21, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Diversty and fairness have become the code words now days…they replaced freedom.


  46. huckfunn
    46 | November 21, 2012 3:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Illinois Rep. Jackson resigns from Congress

    At least they won’t have to kick him out after he goes to jail…

    It will be interesting to see what kind of moron the dims put up in the special election. Blago currently trying to broker a deal from the big house.


  47. 47 | November 21, 2012 3:26 pm

    Gotta run some errands, be back later.


  48. 48 | November 21, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ Lily:

    45 years ago a man saying that he wanted to be judged by the content of his character not the color of his skin was considered to come from the Left. Today saying the same thing not only gets you labeled as a Right-wing Radical, but a RAAAAACIST as well. It is the Left today that want everyone judged by the color of their skin, in a way that only the most rabid members of the Ku Klux Klan would have wanted in the 1960s (or 1860s, for that matter).


  49. 49 | November 21, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    There’s no doubt that the Democrat will win, either. Some parts of this country are as lock-step One-Party rule as Stalinist Russia.


  50. Lily
    50 | November 21, 2012 3:32 pm

    When did it become a badge of honor to be on food stamps? Not to mention the record number of people on food stamps…because so many are out of work…

    Obama Supporters Overjoyed: “He Gave Me Extra Food Stamps Y’all!”…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/21/obama-supporters-overjoyed-he-gave-me-extra-food-stamps-yall/

    More Americans Will Use Food Stamps For Thanksgiving This Year Than Ever Before

    More Americans will use food stamps to buy their Thanksgiving dinner this year than ever before, according to a new report from the nonprofit government watchdog group The Sunlight Foundation.

    [PHOTOS: Presidents Pardoning Turkeys, Meeting Dinner]

    The Food Stamp Challenge, which challenges higher-income families to live as if they are on food stamps, estimates that a person on food stamps has a budget of about $1.25 per meal. In other words, a family on food stamps must buy an entire meal per person for less than the cost of an average cup of coffee.

    Usage of food stamps among low and no-income families has spiked since the collapse of the U.S. financial system four years ago. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, average participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or food stamp program, has increased 70 percent since 2007. And economists have warned that usage of food stamps won’t go down until unemployment improves.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/20/more-americans-will-use-food-stamps-for-thanksgiving-this-year-than-ever-before


  51. lobo91
    51 | November 21, 2012 3:32 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    @ Lily:

    He’s a black Democrat incumbent in Chicago.

    He probably could have been reelected after going to prison.


  52. huckfunn
    52 | November 21, 2012 3:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    There’s no doubt that the Democrat will win, either. Some parts of this country are as lock-step One-Party rule as Stalinist Russia.

    I think of it as being similar to the process in Mexico. There will be the anointed one whose time has come and he/she will be given a license to steal. Same shit, different pile.


  53. 53 | November 21, 2012 3:34 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Working on part two now, and it’s running a lot longer than I originally thought it would. The bottom line is that I believe we can right this ship, and I am not willing personally to concede this great nation to the inmates who have taken over the asylum. As Mike C. has so adeptly pointed out, we can do this with the soap box and ballot box, and while the cartridge box is there if we need it, not needing it is preferable.

    We’ve worn out our vocal cords, our keyboards, and our videocams on that ol’ soapbox. Year after year after year, no progress whatsoever.

    Stolen elections have pretty much invalidated the ballot box.

    There’s also jury box, which precedes the cartridge box.

    Considering the thoroughgoing corruption of the US judicial system, with leftist judges all over the place and more sure to come, I wouldn’t bet on that one either.

    *putting on prediction hat*

    It’s gonna be either the cartridge box, or collapse into totalitarianism. Those are the choices, whether anybody likes it or not, and I expect few people do.

    I’m not trying to be Nostradumbass here -- I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em, based on hard evidence that the other options have been, or are rapidly being, completely foreclosed.


  54. Lily
    54 | November 21, 2012 3:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:

    45 years ago a man saying that he wanted to be judged by the content of his character not the color of his skin was considered to come from the Left. Today saying the same thing not only gets you labeled as a Right-wing Radical, but a RAAAAACIST as well. It is the Left today that want everyone judged by the color of their skin, in a way that only the most rabid members of the Ku Klux Klan would have wanted in the 1960s (or 1860s, for that matter).

    To me we aren’t going *Forward* as obama so proudly proclaims we are going *backwards* in record breaking speed.


  55. Lily
    55 | November 21, 2012 3:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    @ Lily:

    He’s a black Democrat incumbent in Chicago.

    He probably could have been reelected after going to prison.

    I’m sure.


  56. lobo91
    56 | November 21, 2012 3:35 pm

    @ Lily:

    The Food Stamp Challenge, which challenges higher-income families to live as if they are on food stamps, estimates that a person on food stamps has a budget of about $1.25 per meal. In other words, a family on food stamps must buy an entire meal per person for less than the cost of an average cup of coffee.

    Of course, they’re referring to the price of the “average cup of coffee” from Starbucks or some other coffee place, not the actual cost of a cup of coffee. Coffee’s around $6 a can at the grocery store.

    And of course, the thing they really miss here is that Food Stamps aren’t intended to cover 100% of a family’s food budget. It’s a supplemental program.


  57. 57 | November 21, 2012 3:36 pm

    @ Lily:
    Not on food stamps, though I have to say we most likely could qualify for them.


  58. 58 | November 21, 2012 3:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Not to mention the record number of people on food stamps…because so many are out of work…

    But the economy no longer matters to a majority of our fellow citizens. Things are good enough that they don’t care if they ever get better. And things are going to get worse. No matter what happens on the “Fiscal Cliff”, Barack Obama has no intention of quitting his record-breaking spending binge, and that is going to break the back of the economy sooner or later. I think we can anticipate another downgrade in our credit rating. Our debt-to-income ratio is just far too bad to merit it staying where it is. We are one spike of interest rates away from serious financial difficulties. Indeed, given that we are borrowing so much and so much of our current “budget” (budget? Well, we haven’t had a budget since 2009, but I’m not sure what you call our current spending plan) is inflexible entitlements, a serious spike of interest rates could throw us quickly into default. Does anybody know how much of the interest payments we are making now we are borrowing?


  59. Lily
    59 | November 21, 2012 3:38 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Working on part two now, and it’s running a lot longer than I originally thought it would. The bottom line is that I believe we can right this ship, and I am not willing personally to concede this great nation to the inmates who have taken over the asylum. As Mike C. has so adeptly pointed out, we can do this with the soap box and ballot box, and while the cartridge box is there if we need it, not needing it is preferable.

    We’ve worn out our vocal cords, our keyboards, and our videocams on that ol’ soapbox. Year after year after year, no progress whatsoever.

    Stolen elections have pretty much invalidated the ballot box.

    There’s also jury box, which precedes the cartridge box.

    Considering the thoroughgoing corruption of the US judicial system, with leftist judges all over the place and more sure to come, I wouldn’t bet on that one either.

    *putting on prediction hat*

    It’s gonna be either the cartridge box, or collapse into totalitarianism. Those are the choices, whether anybody likes it or not, and I expect few people do.

    I’m not trying to be Nostradumbass here — I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em, based on hard evidence that the other options have been, or are rapidly being, completely foreclosed.

    I’m not giving up on our country…many may want to..but things can change. One would be surprised how things can change rather quickly.
    A second term of obama may just shock this country into that change.
    So I’m not going to give up hope. Never.


  60. 60 | November 21, 2012 3:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    @ Lily:
    He’s a black Democrat incumbent in Chicago.
    He probably could have been reelected after going to prison.

    Evidently, stupid, crazy and evil IS a way to go through life, provided you’re a Democrat from Chicago.


  61. Lily
    61 | November 21, 2012 3:41 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Not to mention the record number of people on food stamps…because so many are out of work…

    But the economy no longer matters to a majority of our fellow citizens. Things are good enough that they don’t care if they ever get better. And things are going to get worse. No matter what happens on the “Fiscal Cliff”, Barack Obama has no intention of quitting his record-breaking spending binge, and that is going to break the back of the economy sooner or later. I think we can anticipate another downgrade in our credit rating. Our debt-to-income ratio is just far too bad to merit it staying where it is. We are one spike of interest rates away from serious financial difficulties. Indeed, given that we are borrowing so much and so much of our current “budget” (budget? Well, we haven’t had a budget since 2009, but I’m not sure what you call our current spending plan) is inflexible entitlements, a serious spike of interest rates could throw us quickly into default. Does anybody know how much of the interest payments we are making now we are borrowing?

    Oh indeed….with obama at the helm..we are headed to a real shock like this country hasn’t experienced in a long time. But hey the people thought *obama cared more*..he doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ about people in our own country …now the people in the middle east he cares more about.


  62. Lily
    62 | November 21, 2012 3:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    The Food Stamp Challenge, which challenges higher-income families to live as if they are on food stamps, estimates that a person on food stamps has a budget of about $1.25 per meal. In other words, a family on food stamps must buy an entire meal per person for less than the cost of an average cup of coffee.

    Of course, they’re referring to the price of the “average cup of coffee” from Starbucks or some other coffee place, not the actual cost of a cup of coffee. Coffee’s around $6 a can at the grocery store.

    And of course, the thing they really miss here is that Food Stamps aren’t intended to cover 100% of a family’s food budget. It’s a supplemental program.

    Excatly. And the food banks have seen a 400% increase in people needing food..but hey we can’t blame obama for that now can we?
    ////////
    Obama is directly at fault for this. But hey Big Bird!!!!!!


  63. 63 | November 21, 2012 3:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    So I’m not going to give up hope. Never.

    I’m not saying give up hope, though IMO it is unwise to put much hope in secular leaders of any kind.

    I am saying that it is not looking good, and even the best case scenario means the financial and physical ruin of many, many lives before the eventual spiritual and material recovery.

    I think the best we can hope for is salvaging some part of the US. Not the whole of it.

    Our biggest problem is not the media -- it’s the public school system, and by that I include colleges and universities that take any public funding.


  64. Lily
    64 | November 21, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I have never said I put any hope in politicians. Never.


  65. Lily
    65 | November 21, 2012 3:52 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Our biggest problem is the media and the school system second. You must think that all young people think the same. They don’t. They even see the bias in the school teachings….


  66. Lily
    67 | November 21, 2012 4:02 pm

    Uhmmm! I wonder why?/NOT!

    Obama Admin Refuses To Releases Pictures Of White House Situation Room Night Of Benghazi Attacks…

    The White House Photo Office has declined CBS News requests to release images taken of US officials during the Sept. 11 Benghazi attacks.

    CBS News first requested the images on Oct. 31. In the past, the White House has released photos showing US officials during national security incidents. A half dozen images related to the mission that captured and killed Osama bin Laden were given to the public last year. One depicts President Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and members of the national security team gathered in the Situation Room on May 1, 2011.

    A White House official referred our request regarding the Benghazi attacks to the White House Photo Office. On Nov. 1, an official there indicated she would process our request quickly, but then did not respond further. Finally, this week, the White House Photo Office told CBS News it would not release any images without approval of Josh Earnest in the White House Press Office. Earnest did not respond to our telephone calls and emails.

    At a press conference on Nov. 14, 2012 President Obama stated that his Administration has provided all information regarding “what happened in Benghazi.”

    “We have provided every bit of information that we have, and we will continue to provide information…,” the President told reporters, adding, “we will provide all the information that is available about what happened on that day…” and “I will put forward every bit of information that we have.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/21/obama-admin-refuses-to-releases-pictures-of-white-house-situation-room-night-of-benghazi-attacks/


  67. yenta-fada
    68 | November 21, 2012 4:07 pm

    Conservatives now will have a chance to address immediately the demographic issue that is threatening the Republican Party, an issue that would have been masked by a Romney victory. Conservatives need to figure out how to sell their ideas to minorities and women, while promoting candidates who are capable of doing this.

    And now, the incredibly talented conservative GOP bench will be activated in four years, not eight. Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Wiconsin Gov. Scott Wilsion, Virginia Gov. Rob McDonnell, New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte, New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, and Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, among others -- the quality of the 2016 GOP Primary field will surpass that of the 2012 group immeasurably.

    Conservatives believe the nation would have been better off if Romney had won. But there’s a silver lining for them in his defeat, and it’s not insignificant.

    Happy Thanksgiving!

    Keith Koffler
    Editor, White House Dossier


  68. buzzsawmonkey
    69 | November 21, 2012 4:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Obama Admin Refuses To Releases Pictures Of White House Situation Room Night Of Benghazi Attacks…

    Nobody wants to see a picture of Barack Obama in his nightgown, clutching his Karl Marx teddy bear.


  69. yenta-fada
    70 | November 21, 2012 4:09 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Not on food stamps, though I have to say we most likely could qualify for them.

    Consider taking them. It will cause the ridiculous spending to collapse soon, imho. Use their own weapons against them.


  70. Lily
    71 | November 21, 2012 4:09 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    :lol: :lol: :lol:


  71. yenta-fada
    72 | November 21, 2012 4:10 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    PIMF “sooner” sigh. I’m out.


  72. ferb123
    73 | November 21, 2012 4:20 pm

    :mrgreen:


  73. RIX
    74 | November 21, 2012 4:24 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I agree with something the author pointed out,
    “Allied Media”. It is hard to run against the Democrats
    and the Media.
    Most people just hear sound bites, “party of the rich, mean,
    extreme etc” and that’s what the retain.


  74. Lily
    75 | November 21, 2012 4:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I agree with something the author pointed out,
    “Allied Media”. It is hard to run against the Democrats
    and the Media.
    Most people just hear sound bites, “party of the rich, mean,
    extreme etc” and that’s what the retain.

    Yep and for some reason they don’t even consider that the democrats in office are rich..but hey whatever makes them feel better. Fools.


  75. RIX
    76 | November 21, 2012 4:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Illinois Rep. Jackson resigns from Congress

    At least they won’t have to kick him out after he goes to jail…

    Chicago media is now reporting that Jrs wife
    Sandy may have to resign the City Council
    because of her own scandal.
    Jesse Sr should have been in the slam years ago
    for numerous counts of extortion.


  76. buzzsawmonkey
    77 | November 21, 2012 4:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Here’s an interesting take on the damage the GOP brand has.

    Geraghty has fallen into the trap re same-sex marriage; “Disagree with the radical leftist agenda and how’s that gonna sound to people who love their gay son/daughter/cousin/whatever?”

    Talk about ceding the game before you start.


  77. RIX
    78 | November 21, 2012 4:30 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yep and for some reason they don’t even consider that the democrats in office are rich..but hey whatever makes them feel better. Fools

    True, it turns out that most of Wall Street types
    are corrupt Democrats.


  78. yenta-fada
    79 | November 21, 2012 4:32 pm

    @ RIX:

    My lefty family won’t watch my “Boss” dvds which take aim at Chicago politics. They say they are ridiculously exaggerated. lol


  79. RIX
    80 | November 21, 2012 4:33 pm

    Cops are now arresting SEIU thugs at LAX.


  80. heysoos
    81 | November 21, 2012 4:33 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Obama Admin Refuses To Releases Pictures Of White House Situation Room Night Of Benghazi Attacks…
    Nobody wants to see a picture of Barack Obama in his nightgown, clutching his Karl Marx teddy bear.

    heh…red teddy bears at that


  81. yenta-fada
    82 | November 21, 2012 4:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Yep and for some reason they don’t even consider that the democrats in office are rich..but hey whatever makes them feel better. Fools

    True, it turns out that most of Wall Street types
    are corrupt Democrats.

    Yep. Wall Street gives the most money to whoever will give them the most favorable policies. So far that has been Democrats and Republicans. Go figure.


  82. RIX
    83 | November 21, 2012 4:35 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ RIX:

    My lefty family won’t watch my “Boss” dvds which take aim at Chicago politics. They say they are ridiculously exaggerated. lol

    I grew up in Chicago. It is impossible to exaggerate the corruption.


  83. CynicalConservative
    84 | November 21, 2012 4:36 pm

    @ RIX:
    Good.

    /galt


  84. lobo91
    85 | November 21, 2012 4:36 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ RIX:

    My lefty family won’t watch my “Boss” dvds which take aim at Chicago politics. They say they are ridiculously exaggerated. lol

    Actually, I’m pretty sure they’ve toned things down for TV.

    Speaking of Boss, it looks like Starz has cancelled it. No Season 3.


  85. RIX
    86 | November 21, 2012 4:37 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Yep. Wall Street gives the most money to whoever will give them the most favorable policies. So far that has been Democrats and Republicans. Go figure.

    Yet BHO & his ilk blab about Wall Street vs Main Street.


  86. RIX
    87 | November 21, 2012 4:38 pm

    CynicalConservative wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Good.

    /galt

    The Jacksons have trouble.


  87. heysoos
    88 | November 21, 2012 4:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ RIX:
    My lefty family won’t watch my “Boss” dvds which take aim at Chicago politics. They say they are ridiculously exaggerated. lol

    I grew up in Chicago. It is impossible to exaggerate the corruption.

    Royko’s must read…
    ‘Boss, Richard Daley of Chicago’….
    BO is a child of that culture…hell of a book


  88. lobo91
    89 | November 21, 2012 4:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Yep and for some reason they don’t even consider that the democrats in office are rich..but hey whatever makes them feel better. Fools

    True, it turns out that most of Wall Street types
    are corrupt Democrats.

    And most of the Democrats (along with a number of Republicans) in Congress are in bed with them, which is how they made their own fortunes.

    Insider trading laws really need to be made to apply to Congress.


  89. yenta-fada
    90 | November 21, 2012 4:39 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Yep. Wall Street gives the most money to whoever will give them the most favorable policies. So far that has been Democrats and Republicans. Go figure.

    Yet BHO & his ilk blab about Wall Street vs Main Street.

    People believe the propaganda. They know nuttink.


  90. Lily
    91 | November 21, 2012 4:39 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ RIX:

    My lefty family won’t watch my “Boss” dvds which take aim at Chicago politics. They say they are ridiculously exaggerated. lol

    Oh my sounds like something my family would say…I have problems with my family in that matter too…but haven’t even asked them to watch The Boss….I don’t even want to go there. But I do have their talking points down. To be honest with The Boss probably doesn’t depict Chicago at how truly bad it is. I have seen the show and it’s true the mayor of Chicago does have more pull than the Governor of the state.


  91. RIX
    92 | November 21, 2012 4:40 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Royko’s must read…
    ‘Boss, Richard Daley of Chicago’….
    BO is a child of that culture…hell of a book

    I read it, it is a good read.
    I actually had the pleasure of meting Royko.


  92. Lily
    93 | November 21, 2012 4:40 pm

    RIX wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ RIX:

    My lefty family won’t watch my “Boss” dvds which take aim at Chicago politics. They say they are ridiculously exaggerated. lol

    I grew up in Chicago. It is impossible to exaggerate the corruption.

    Bingo!


  93. Lily
    94 | November 21, 2012 4:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ RIX:

    My lefty family won’t watch my “Boss” dvds which take aim at Chicago politics. They say they are ridiculously exaggerated. lol

    Actually, I’m pretty sure they’ve toned things down for TV.

    Speaking of Boss, it looks like Starz has cancelled it. No Season 3.

    Really imagine that.


  94. yenta-fada
    95 | November 21, 2012 4:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ RIX:

    My lefty family won’t watch my “Boss” dvds which take aim at Chicago politics. They say they are ridiculously exaggerated. lol

    Actually, I’m pretty sure they’ve toned things down for TV.

    Speaking of Boss, it looks like Starz has cancelled it. No Season 3.

    We’re still waiting for Season 2. Honestly, I think the impact would be diminished if they ran it for too long. They have made their point well.


  95. heysoos
    96 | November 21, 2012 4:43 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Royko’s must read…
    ‘Boss, Richard Daley of Chicago’….
    BO is a child of that culture…hell of a book
    I read it, it is a good read.
    I actually had the pleasure of meting Royko.

    great story, drain commissioners are millionaires etc…it’s a quick study of the Chicago machine…people have no clue


  96. yenta-fada
    97 | November 21, 2012 4:43 pm

    My today’s fave:

    http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/clip_image00232.jpg


  97. RIX
    98 | November 21, 2012 4:44 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And most of the Democrats (along with a number of Republicans) in Congress are in bed with them, which is how they made their own fortunes.

    Insider trading laws really need to be made to apply to Congress.

    Amazing that insider trading is a heinous crime,
    unless of course Congress does it.
    How in the world does a boob like Harry Ried
    spend only two years in the private sector and
    become a multi-millionaire?
    Let me think.


  98. yenta-fada
    99 | November 21, 2012 4:46 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Thank you for the suggestion. Will order.


  99. Lily
    100 | November 21, 2012 4:46 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ RIX:

    My lefty family won’t watch my “Boss” dvds which take aim at Chicago politics. They say they are ridiculously exaggerated. lol

    Actually, I’m pretty sure they’ve toned things down for TV.

    Speaking of Boss, it looks like Starz has cancelled it. No Season 3.

    We’re still waiting for Season 2. Honestly, I think the impact would be diminished if they ran it for too long. They have made their point well.

    Season 2 is still not out yet even here. A lot of times while the season is running I can buy episode by episode but not with Boss.


  100. lobo91
    101 | November 21, 2012 4:47 pm

    @ RIX:

    Amazing that insider trading is a heinous crime,
    unless of course Congress does it.
    How in the world does a boob like Harry Ried
    spend only two years in the private sector and
    become a multi-millionaire?
    Let me think.

    The fact that Congress exempted itself from those laws should tell you something.


  101. RIX
    102 | November 21, 2012 4:47 pm

    @ heysoos:

    great story, drain commissioners are millionaires etc…it’s a quick study of the Chicago machine…people have no clue

    Chicago pols are brazen thieves & the unions are
    their partners in crime.
    Actually the whole state of Illinois is corrupt,
    both parties.
    The joke is “If you are surrounded by former Illinois
    governors, you are in prison.”


  102. Lily
    103 | November 21, 2012 4:48 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Royko’s must read…
    ‘Boss, Richard Daley of Chicago’….
    BO is a child of that culture…hell of a book
    I read it, it is a good read.
    I actually had the pleasure of meting Royko.

    great story, drain commissioners are millionaires etc…it’s a quick study of the Chicago machine…people have no clue

    Oh I can imagine. Politic’s here in Louisiana isn’t excatly virginal.
    Oh the state has cleaned up a bit but back in the hey day …yeah pretty much corrupt and New Orleans politic’s are very corrupt.


  103. yenta-fada
    104 | November 21, 2012 4:49 pm

    @ RIX:

    Not only is insider trading the problem, Clinton got rid of the ‘uptick’ rule which gave the insiders another edge. That led to the practice of ‘naked shorting’ of shares, meaning that you didn’t actually have to BUY or borrow actual stock shares in order to go short.
    Another catastrophe is High Frequency Trading, done exclusively by computers and amounting to the lion’s share of daily market activity.


  104. RIX
    105 | November 21, 2012 4:49 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The fact that Congress exempted itself from those laws should tell you something

    Tells you all that you need to know.
    They make fools out of us.


  105. RIX
    106 | November 21, 2012 4:51 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Our pols are a plutocracy.
    The Dems are particularly galling with their “For the People ” meme.


  106. Lily
    107 | November 21, 2012 4:53 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    The fact that Congress exempted itself from those laws should tell you something

    Tells you all that you need to know.
    They make fools out of us.

    Yep…but hey tax the rich they are evil! Bet no one in Congress is going to be effected by that.


  107. yenta-fada
    108 | November 21, 2012 4:54 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    The fact that Congress exempted itself from those laws should tell you something

    Tells you all that you need to know.
    They make fools out of us.

    The theme song of ‘Boss’ goes “Satan, Your kingdom must come down.” I’d say they have noticed.


  108. huckfunn
    109 | November 21, 2012 4:56 pm

    This woman is Obatomy’s director of the Small Bidness Administration. She has has never heard anyone say that Obamacare is hurting their business. What she hears them say is “I want to provide my employees with healthcare… The day that I get to provide my employees with healthcare that will be the day that I call my business a success”. So there you have it. Businesses are established to (A) employ people, (B) provide those people with healthcare and (C) provide the government with a cashflow stream. Un-fooking believable.


  109. Lily
    110 | November 21, 2012 4:57 pm

    Amazing. She must work in a padded cell with no windows or contact with the real world…must have not seen the businesses that flew their flag in a distress signal.

    Obama’s Small Business Chief Says She Hasn’t Heard One Case Of Obamacare Hurting Small Business…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/21/obamas-small-business-chief-says-she-hasnt-heard-one-case-of-obamacare-hurting-small-business/


  110. lobo91
    111 | November 21, 2012 4:57 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    The fact that Congress exempted itself from those laws should tell you something

    Tells you all that you need to know.
    They make fools out of us.

    I believe Reid made most of his money the old-fashioned politican way, through real estate. He either steered projects to land he and his cronies owned, or bought up land that would be affected by projects.

    As far as I’m concerned, that sort of cronyism (as well as insider trading by elected officials) should be punishable by life in prison and confiscation of all their assets.

    It’s an abuse of the public trust.


  111. heysoos
    112 | November 21, 2012 4:57 pm

    we need some sort of national referendum regarding term limits…I don’t even know how that works…we give these assholes all this power then have no way to take it back…imo voting is obsolete when the feds cannot ensure fair and legal voting


  112. Lily
    113 | November 21, 2012 4:58 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    GMTA!


  113. lobo91
    114 | November 21, 2012 4:59 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Yup, that’s what the left believes. Businesses exist to create jobs, not to make a profit for the owners.

    Probably why so few of them are ever successful business people themselves…


  114. RIX
    115 | November 21, 2012 5:01 pm

    @ Lily:

    ep…but hey tax the rich they are evil! Bet no one in Congress is going to be effected by that.

    It’s hypocritical, they are the rich!


  115. Lily
    116 | November 21, 2012 5:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Yup, that’s what the left believes. Businesses exist to create jobs, not to make a profit for the owners.

    Probably why so few of them are ever successful business people themselves…

    The inmates are truly in charge of asylum.


  116. lobo91
    117 | November 21, 2012 5:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    we need some sort of national referendum regarding term limits…I don’t even know how that works…we give these assholes all this power then have no way to take it back…imo voting is obsolete when the feds cannot ensure fair and legal voting

    There is no provision for any sort of referenda at the national level. It would require a Constitutional amendment, just like the 22nd Amendment did for the presidency.

    And elections are conducted and policed by the states. They just all happen to be held the same day.


  117. RIX
    118 | November 21, 2012 5:02 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    That’s funny.


  118. yenta-fada
    119 | November 21, 2012 5:02 pm

    Winning a Republican Hispanic vote

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/appealing_to_latinos.html


  119. Lily
    120 | November 21, 2012 5:02 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    ep…but hey tax the rich they are evil! Bet no one in Congress is going to be effected by that.

    It’s hypocritical, they are the rich!

    I know but damn half the country thought other wise. Unfreaking believable!


  120. lobo91
    121 | November 21, 2012 5:03 pm

    @ Lily:

    Can you imagine what sort of nutcase Obama would put in charge of his hypothetical “Department of Business”?


  121. yenta-fada
    122 | November 21, 2012 5:03 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    That’s funny.

    We are now all Lenny Bruce. ///


  122. heysoos
    123 | November 21, 2012 5:03 pm

    @ lobo91:
    has Reid ever explained the shutdown of Yucca Mt?…has he ever described an alternative?…what was his role is that scam?…when your Senate majority leader is covered with dirt, we should get an update…but our elected officials no longer answer to the public, a liberal gig…like, just shut the fuck up, and we naturally roll over


  123. RIX
    124 | November 21, 2012 5:04 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I believe Reid made most of his money the old-fashioned politican way, through real estate. He either steered projects to land he and his cronies owned, or bought up land that would be affected by projects.

    As far as I’m concerned, that sort of cronyism (as well as insider trading by elected officials) should be punishable by life in prison and confiscation of all their assets.

    It’s an abuse of the public trust.

    Well said & old Harry was mobbed up.


  124. huckfunn
    125 | November 21, 2012 5:04 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    GMTA!

    :wink:


  125. Lily
    126 | November 21, 2012 5:05 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Winning a Republican Hispanic vote

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/appealing_to_latinos.html

    Why has this country become so fractured that we have to go after sub-sets of people? Shouldn’t we all be Americans? Instead of hypen-American?


  126. RIX
    127 | November 21, 2012 5:06 pm

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    ep…but hey tax the rich they are evil! Bet no one in Congress is going to be effected by that.

    It’s hypocritical, they are the rich!

    I know but damn half the country thought other wise. Unfreaking believable!

    More than half & that is our problem.


  127. lobo91
    128 | November 21, 2012 5:06 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    has Reid ever explained the shutdown of Yucca Mt?…has he ever described an alternative?…what was his role is that scam?…when your Senate majority leader is covered with dirt, we should get an update…but our elected officials no longer answer to the public, a liberal gig…like, just shut the fuck up, and we naturally roll over

    I’m not an expert on what happened with Yucca Mountain, but I know that Reid was instrumental in getting it shut down (after we spent billions of dollars building it in his state, which was just a coincidence, I’m sure). I’m not aware of any alternative he’s proposed. He just doesn’t want it in his state.


  128. Lily
    129 | November 21, 2012 5:07 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    has Reid ever explained the shutdown of Yucca Mt?…has he ever described an alternative?…what was his role is that scam?…when your Senate majority leader is covered with dirt, we should get an update…but our elected officials no longer answer to the public, a liberal gig…like, just shut the fuck up, and we naturally roll over

    All you have to do is look at he media that are covering up for these thugs. They have lost their way big time and willingly lost their way.


  129. lobo91
    130 | November 21, 2012 5:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    Shouldn’t we all be Americans? Instead of hypen-American?

    Some of us already are. Otherwise known as conservatives.


  130. huckfunn
    131 | November 21, 2012 5:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Yup, that’s what the left believes. Businesses exist to create jobs, not to make a profit for the owners.

    Probably why so few of them are ever successful business people themselves…

    It’s just unbelievable that people like that have their hands on the machinery of what used to be the greatest engine of prosperity the world has ever seen. Hopelessly clueless.


  131. Lily
    132 | November 21, 2012 5:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    ep…but hey tax the rich they are evil! Bet no one in Congress is going to be effected by that.

    It’s hypocritical, they are the rich!

    I know but damn half the country thought other wise. Unfreaking believable!

    More than half & that is our problem.

    True more than half the people in this country are willfully ignorant and don’t think they are ignorant either.


  132. heysoos
    133 | November 21, 2012 5:09 pm

    Harry Reid, by himself, has stumped the entire nuclear power business, monumental suffering because of this man and his deranged attitude toward nuclear waste….340million vrs one…this is our political culture


  133. lobo91
    134 | November 21, 2012 5:09 pm

    Beckel just said that businesses “don’t have the right” to set wages for their employees.

    I think we just found Obama’s Secretary of Business.


  134. yenta-fada
    135 | November 21, 2012 5:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Winning a Republican Hispanic vote

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/appealing_to_latinos.html

    Why has this country become so fractured that we have to go after sub-sets of people? Shouldn’t we all be Americans? Instead of hypen-American?

    You would think so. When your preezie goes on an apology tour ASAP, it’s a sad statement about how the population has been led left in all areas of life. They hyphenate here too, but it’s stupid. Canada as a country is so young, that it’s ridiculous to bring your homeland problems here and still call yourself a Canadian.


  135. buzzsawmonkey
    136 | November 21, 2012 5:12 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    has Reid ever explained the shutdown of Yucca Mt?

    Oh, to live on Yucca Mountain
    With the deposits of nuclear waste
    You can glow in the dark, on Yucca Mountain
    But it’s not to everybody’s taste
    No, it’s not to everybody’s taste…


  136. yenta-fada
    137 | November 21, 2012 5:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Beckel just said that businesses “don’t have the right” to set wages for their employees.

    I think we just found Obama’s Secretary of Business.

    Pity you have an expensive TV. / bricks would feel sooo good.


  137. RIX
    138 | November 21, 2012 5:14 pm

    @ Lily:
    The Obama Nation watches Honey Boo Boo & gets
    their hard news from the Daily Show.


  138. 139 | November 21, 2012 5:14 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    This woman is Obatomy’s director of the Small Bidness Administration. She has has never heard anyone say that Obamacare is hurting their business. What she hears them say is “I want to provide my employees with healthcare… The day that I get to provide my employees with healthcare that will be the day that I call my business a success”. So there you have it. Businesses are established to (A) employ people, (B) provide those people with healthcare and (C) provide the government with a cashflow stream. Un-fooking believable.

    Geez, that’s the most astonishing thing I’ve seen since….the last most astonishing utterance by an Obama official.

    They always claim to want an “honest debate” but when this sort of rubbish is your starting point, it puts the lie to anything beginning with “honest”.


  139. lobo91
    140 | November 21, 2012 5:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Harry Reid, by himself, has stumped the entire nuclear power business, monumental suffering because of this man and his deranged attitude toward nuclear waste….340million vrs one…this is our political culture

    There’s so much ignorance out there involving anything related to nuclear power/waste that it’s unreal.

    I remember when they were getting ready to start shipping waste from Los Alamos down to WIPP, outside of Carlsbad. People were screaming about the possibility of trucks overturning on I-25 and waste splashing all over cars, or nuclear explosions, or assorted other crap out of a bad TV movie.

    The waste that was shipped down there was mostly contaminated rags, coveralls, and broken tools, which was encased in massive blocks of concrete. I watched a video where they shot one of those containers with an AT4 anti-tank rocket. It took a chunk out of the concrete about the size of my fist.


  140. Lily
    141 | November 21, 2012 5:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Shouldn’t we all be Americans? Instead of hypen-American?

    Some of us already are. Otherwise known as conservatives.

    Being a conservative now days means we are evil! Good night in Georiga we have really lost our way big time.


  141. Lily
    142 | November 21, 2012 5:16 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Yup, that’s what the left believes. Businesses exist to create jobs, not to make a profit for the owners.

    Probably why so few of them are ever successful business people themselves…

    It’s just unbelievable that people like that have their hands on the machinery of what used to be the greatest engine of prosperity the world has ever seen. Hopelessly clueless.

    And willingly hopelessly clueless like over half of Americans who keep re-elected these numb-nuts into office.


  142. Lily
    143 | November 21, 2012 5:18 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Harry Reid, by himself, has stumped the entire nuclear power business, monumental suffering because of this man and his deranged attitude toward nuclear waste….340million vrs one…this is our political culture

    Not only political but even on the local and people level too…one person complains and traditions that were held for years are thrown out to appease the one.


  143. Lily
    144 | November 21, 2012 5:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Beckel just said that businesses “don’t have the right” to set wages for their employees.

    I think we just found Obama’s Secretary of Business.

    He is really a lunatic isn’t he. Good heavens…a business can only afford to pay people on the amount of business they are taking in. This is insanity.


  144. huckfunn
    145 | November 21, 2012 5:20 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Geez, that’s the most astonishing thing I’ve seen since….the last most astonishing utterance by an Obama official.

    Ever since the regime came to power it’s been 1 or 2 astonishing jaw-droppers per day. And now he doesn’t have to worry about reelection. I guess this is what a fundamental transformation looks like. It’s surprising to see someone from MSLSD call her hand on it.


  145. lobo91
    146 | November 21, 2012 5:22 pm

    @ Lily:

    Being a conservative now days means we are evil! Good night in Georiga we have really lost our way big time.

    “We” haven’t. “They” have.


  146. Lily
    147 | November 21, 2012 5:22 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Beckel just said that businesses “don’t have the right” to set wages for their employees.

    I think we just found Obama’s Secretary of Business.

    Pity you have an expensive TV. / bricks would feel sooo good.

    Well there is the option of making foam bricks so you can throw at your TV without damaging it. ;)
    /might make a person feel good too when someone stupid says something stupid.


  147. Lily
    148 | November 21, 2012 5:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The Obama Nation watches Honey Boo Boo & gets
    their hard news from the Daily Show.

    Unfortunately yeah for some…but what about the older people who voted for obama they have no damn excuse for their actions other than being willfully ignorant. When I asked someone my age why they voted for obama especially after what happened in Benghazi…the ignorance level is very high. Plus they start yelling as if that is going to drive home their point when they know very little about it.


  148. 149 | November 21, 2012 5:25 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Ever since the regime came to power it’s been 1 or 2 astonishing jaw-droppers per day. And now he doesn’t have to worry about reelection. I guess this is what a fundamental transformation looks like. It’s surprising to see someone from MSLSD call her hand on it.

    I honestly believe it’s purposeful desensitization; we begin to peg the Outrage-O-Meter and everything else is practically invisible.


  149. huckfunn
    150 | November 21, 2012 5:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    And willingly hopelessly clueless like over half of Americans who keep re-elected these numb-nuts into office.

    Half of the electorate is not even paying attention. Their idea of “news” is Kim-K’s boob job or what kind of jammies Justin Beepers wears.


  150. Lily
    151 | November 21, 2012 5:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    Harry Reid, by himself, has stumped the entire nuclear power business, monumental suffering because of this man and his deranged attitude toward nuclear waste….340million vrs one…this is our political culture

    There’s so much ignorance out there involving anything related to nuclear power/waste that it’s unreal.

    I remember when they were getting ready to start shipping waste from Los Alamos down to WIPP, outside of Carlsbad. People were screaming about the possibility of trucks overturning on I-25 and waste splashing all over cars, or nuclear explosions, or assorted other crap out of a bad TV movie.

    The waste that was shipped down there was mostly contaminated rags, coveralls, and broken tools, which was encased in massive blocks of concrete. I watched a video where they shot one of those containers with an AT4 anti-tank rocket. It took a chunk out of the concrete about the size of my fist.

    No really windmills is our future for energy.
    /////////
    Moonbat tone off….they are idiots.


  151. buzzsawmonkey
    152 | November 21, 2012 5:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    windmills is our future for energy

    Obama’s cronies will make windmillions! Windmillions, I tell you!


  152. lobo91
    153 | November 21, 2012 5:29 pm

    @ Lily:

    No really windmills is our future for energy.
    /////////
    Moonbat tone off….they are idiots.

    My Hyundai is too small to put a windmill on.


  153. buzzsawmonkey
    154 | November 21, 2012 5:30 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Pity you have an expensive TV. / bricks would feel sooo good.

    You can make a brick, if you need one. But you have to bring your own straw.


  154. Lily
    155 | November 21, 2012 5:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Being a conservative now days means we are evil! Good night in Georiga we have really lost our way big time.

    “We” haven’t. “They” have.

    True should have worded it better ….over half the country has lost it’s way and mooring ….. it’s unbelievable to be honest. *Social Justice* *Fairness* *Envy* *Revenge* *Anti-God* seem to rule the day now days.


  155. huckfunn
    156 | November 21, 2012 5:30 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I honestly believe it’s purposeful desensitization; we begin to peg the Outrage-O-Meter and everything else is practically invisible.

    The left now knows it can’t be stopped. What was 50 years of creeping socialism is now runaway destruction of a nation.


  156. Lily
    157 | November 21, 2012 5:33 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    And willingly hopelessly clueless like over half of Americans who keep re-elected these numb-nuts into office.

    Half of the electorate is not even paying attention. Their idea of “news” is Kim-K’s boob job or what kind of jammies Justin Beepers wears.

    Now there in lies the problem they aren’t even paying attention…wait till the taxes from obamacare hit them…they will be shell-shocked.
    At least I hope they will be. Never know now days. This climate is really hard to predict..at least for me.


  157. lobo91
    158 | November 21, 2012 5:35 pm

    Okay, Beckel has now officially lost his mind.

    He just said that America isn’t fair, because a “crack baby” doesn’t have the same opportunity as everyone else.


  158. Lily
    159 | November 21, 2012 5:36 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    windmills is our future for energy

    Obama’s cronies will make windmillions! Windmillions, I tell you!

    Where in the heck is PETA on this…thousands of birds are killed for nothing because of windmills..they have civil rights too don’t they? Like you know turkey’s should or need civil rights for Thanksgiving!!!
    I swear they are dropping the Butterball!
    ////


  159. 160 | November 21, 2012 5:36 pm

    Lily wrote:

    This climate is really hard to predict..at least for me.

    Now there’s the understatement of the day! Don’t feel lonesome.


  160. Lily
    161 | November 21, 2012 5:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    No really windmills is our future for energy.
    /////////
    Moonbat tone off….they are idiots.

    My Hyundai is too small to put a windmill on.

    Heretic!!! You need a pin-wheel then. 8-)


  161. heysoos
    162 | November 21, 2012 5:38 pm

    wind farms are a blight on the land like no other…these fraud eco freaks don’t seem to have any opinion regarding trashing the land for these ugly, stupid towers of green…they love their CA minnows then lay this shit on the public?…I ain’t buying…wind power is beyond stupid


  162. Lily
    163 | November 21, 2012 5:38 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    I honestly believe it’s purposeful desensitization; we begin to peg the Outrage-O-Meter and everything else is practically invisible.

    The left now knows it can’t be stopped. What was 50 years of creeping socialism is now runaway destruction of a nation.

    Indeed!!!! Isn’t there any patriots left????? The left has taken over everything!


  163. coldwarrior
    164 | November 21, 2012 5:38 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Pity you have an expensive TV. / bricks would feel sooo good.
    You can make a brick, if you need one. But you have to bring your own straw.

    :lol:

    BRICKS WITHOUT STRAW!!!


  164. Lily
    165 | November 21, 2012 5:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Okay, Beckel has now officially lost his mind.

    He just said that America isn’t fair, because a “crack baby” doesn’t have the same opportunity as everyone else.

    OMG! Honestly????? You just can’t fix the stupid here. Of course oldest son says there are way too many stupid people in our country.


  165. huckfunn
    166 | November 21, 2012 5:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Okay, Beckel has now officially lost his mind.

    I used to tolerate Beckhole just because I get a kick out of Gutfeld, and Andrea Tantaros is great eye candy. I just can’t watch it anymore when that fat turd is on there.


  166. Lily
    167 | November 21, 2012 5:43 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    This climate is really hard to predict..at least for me.

    Now there’s the understatement of the day! Don’t feel lonesome.

    Thanks MacDuff! It is really hard to predict when you think it is going one way it goes another…unbeleivable to be honest.


  167. coldwarrior
    168 | November 21, 2012 5:43 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Okay, Beckel has now officially lost his mind.
    I used to tolerate Beckhole just because I get a kick out of Gutfeld, and Andrea Tantaros is great eye candy. I just can’t watch it anymore when that fat turd is on there.

    i quit listening to / watching hannity because of beckel.


  168. lobo91
    169 | November 21, 2012 5:45 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    wind farms are a blight on the land like no other…these fraud eco freaks don’t seem to have any opinion regarding trashing the land for these ugly, stupid towers of green…they love their CA minnows then lay this shit on the public?…I ain’t buying…wind power is beyond stupid

    I was recently reading about one where the local residents complained about the noise, so the new rule is that it has to be shut down whenever the wind speed is above 25 mph. The thing’s peak efficiency is at 28 mph or above.


  169. huckfunn
    170 | November 21, 2012 5:46 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i quit listening to / watching hannity because of beckel.

    OK, maybe that’s the ticket. I’ll put it on mute and I can still look at Andrea.


  170. 171 | November 21, 2012 5:46 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    @ cold warrior:

    Beckel is to “The Five” what ferb is to Blogmocracy, fodder.


  171. Lily
    172 | November 21, 2012 5:47 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    wind farms are a blight on the land like no other…these fraud eco freaks don’t seem to have any opinion regarding trashing the land for these ugly, stupid towers of green…they love their CA minnows then lay this shit on the public?…I ain’t buying…wind power is beyond stupid

    Of course it is stupid. Like I pointed out PETA’s hyprocisy…thousands of birds are killed by them and yet turkeys need civil rights because of the hateful tradition of Thanksgiving that is based on murder, disease and marauding …Thanksgiving is a hateful day because we murder Turkeys to eat and because we are celebrating invading a country.
    Yeah the stupid is high here….


  172. lobo91
    173 | November 21, 2012 5:48 pm

    @ Lily:

    Of course it is stupid. Like I pointed out PETA’s hyprocisy…thousands of birds are killed by them and yet turkeys need civil rights because of the hateful tradition of Thanksgiving that is based on murder, disease and marauding …Thanksgiving is a hateful day because we murder Turkeys to eat and because we are celebrating invading a country.
    Yeah the stupid is high here….

    That’s standard on the left. Their own constituency groups oppose each other. They just come together for elections.


  173. Lily
    174 | November 21, 2012 5:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    wind farms are a blight on the land like no other…these fraud eco freaks don’t seem to have any opinion regarding trashing the land for these ugly, stupid towers of green…they love their CA minnows then lay this shit on the public?…I ain’t buying…wind power is beyond stupid

    I was recently reading about one where the local residents complained about the noise, so the new rule is that it has to be shut down whenever the wind speed is above 25 mph. The thing’s peak efficiency is at 28 mph or above.

    Yeah there isn’t any critical thinking going on here now is there?


  174. heysoos
    175 | November 21, 2012 5:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    wind farms are a blight on the land like no other…these fraud eco freaks don’t seem to have any opinion regarding trashing the land for these ugly, stupid towers of green…they love their CA minnows then lay this shit on the public?…I ain’t buying…wind power is beyond stupid

    I was recently reading about one where the local residents complained about the noise, so the new rule is that it has to be shut down whenever the wind speed is above 25 mph. The thing’s peak efficiency is at 28 mph or above.

    it’s a huge fake…another subsidized scam…
    you want power?…Hyperion delivers…it’s been said that subSahara Africa could feed the world if it had water (power to pull it out of the ground)…hense Hyperion has been a victim of the AEC for years…we are not using our technology because so many people have to be paid off first


  175. lobo91
    176 | November 21, 2012 5:51 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I like how they always find out these things don’t work, or make too much noise, or whatever, after wasting billions of dollars building them.


  176. 177 | November 21, 2012 5:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That’s standard on the left. Their own constituency groups oppose each other. They just come together for elections.

    Republicans reflexively do the former, I wish we could learn to do the latter.


  177. Lily
    178 | November 21, 2012 5:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Of course it is stupid. Like I pointed out PETA’s hyprocisy…thousands of birds are killed by them and yet turkeys need civil rights because of the hateful tradition of Thanksgiving that is based on murder, disease and marauding …Thanksgiving is a hateful day because we murder Turkeys to eat and because we are celebrating invading a country.
    Yeah the stupid is high here….

    That’s standard on the left. Their own constituency groups oppose each other. They just come together for elections.

    And right on cue our president *pardons* a turkey today.

    Video: Chicago Jesus Absolves Thanksgiving Turkey With The Sign Of The Cross…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/21/video-chicago-jesus-absolves-thanksgiving-turkey-with-the-sign-of-the-cross/


  178. huckfunn
    179 | November 21, 2012 5:53 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    @ cold warrior:

    Beckel is to “The Five” what ferb is to Blogmocracy, fodder.

    I just never let Ferb or that other freak get under my skin. Beckel and Colmes make make me grind my teef.


  179. heysoos
    180 | November 21, 2012 5:54 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I like how they always find out these things don’t work, or make too much noise, or whatever, after wasting billions of dollars building them.

    of course..the green left lets you spend millions developing technology, then slams the commie courts to shut you down and all is lost


  180. coldwarrior
    181 | November 21, 2012 5:54 pm

    new thread yinz…

    a guest post


  181. Lily
    182 | November 21, 2012 5:56 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    @ cold warrior:

    Beckel is to “The Five” what ferb is to Blogmocracy, fodder.

    I just never let Ferb or that other freak get under my skin. Beckel and Colmes make make me grind my teef.

    It is pointless with the ferb and outsider who just happen to show up at the same time. They look down their noses at us and think they are so smart. Yet they can’t even answer simple questions. They just make the thread all about them.


  182. Calo
    183 | November 21, 2012 5:56 pm

    @ Lily:
    And, mocking the Catholics while doing so.


  183. 184 | November 21, 2012 5:57 pm

    @ Lily:

    That he doesn’t know or doesn’t care that’s in poor taste is what’s particularly offensive.


  184. Lily
    185 | November 21, 2012 5:58 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Lily:
    And, mocking the Catholics while doing so.

    Yep..it’s rather disgusting to be honest.


  185. Lily
    186 | November 21, 2012 5:58 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Lily:

    That he doesn’t know or doesn’t care that’s in poor taste is what’s particularly offensive.

    Very offensive ….


  186. Lily
    187 | November 21, 2012 5:59 pm

    @ Calo:

    Hey {{{Calo}}}! Hope you are doing well and you have a good Thanksgiving tomorrow! :)


  187. lobo91
    188 | November 21, 2012 6:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Lily:

    That he doesn’t know or doesn’t care that’s in poor taste is what’s particularly offensive.

    Very offensive ….

    Well, to be fair, “Father” Pfleger is probably the only Catholic he’s ever met…


  188. huckfunn
    189 | November 21, 2012 6:13 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Lily:
    And, mocking the Catholics while doing so.

    I guess you noticed that they don’t jack with us Presbyterians. :twisted:


  189. Guggi
    190 | November 21, 2012 6:53 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Here’s a little inspiration, folks. Bill Whittle at the top of his game.

    f-a-n-t-a-s-t-i-c, thank you buzz :-)


  190. Mars
    191 | November 21, 2012 7:04 pm

    Lily wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    @ huckfunn:
    @ cold warrior:
    Beckel is to “The Five” what ferb is to Blogmocracy, fodder.
    I just never let Ferb or that other freak get under my skin. Beckel and Colmes make make me grind my teef.

    It is pointless with the ferb and outsider who just happen to show up at the same time. They look down their noses at us and think they are so smart. Yet they can’t even answer simple questions. They just make the thread all about them.

    I see you are thinking the same thing I am.
    I let Rodan know my thoughts. Hopefully it will be headed toward the ban stick.


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