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Why are Republicans constantly being asked questions about religion?

by Speranza ( 89 Comments › )
Filed under Christianity, Politics, Religion, Republican Party at November 21st, 2012 - 7:14 am

The answer is that the questioners are looking for “gotcha” moments, and our side better learn to avoid minefields and to turn the questions around on the reporters.

by Daniel Foster

Among the creation stories of the major world religions, the Hindu cosmology may be — and I have this from the highest Wikithorities — the one that tracks most closely with our present scientific understanding. It’s a cosmology and an eschatology both, actually, a beautiful story of eternal recurrence in which we occupy one of an infinitude of universes hatched from nothingness by a Creator called Brahma, destined to unfold into a state of maximal complexity before collapsing in on itself and being reborn anew.

Sure, the “runaway universe,” born of a singularity and accelerating toward its own demise, is familiar from the Big Bang Theory, and even the idea that this isn’t Mother Nature’s first rodeo, that not just beings but Being is reincarnated, can be made compatible, or not incompatible, with our best physics. But when you get into the details, the dates and times, things get a bit dicey. And here I quote, again, Wikipedia’s best comparative theologians:

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. . . and it goes on like that. To me, this tick-tock raises as many questions as it answers (if Brahma creates time and space, and does so an infinite number of times to boot, then how can he be said to have an age at all?). I’m sure practicing Hindus have views on this and other matters of their faith, and an enterprising reporter might have asked a prominent Hindu — say Representative Tulsi Gabbard (D., Hawaii), the first to be elected to Congress — about hers. But near as I can tell, nobody has. Sure, it was widely noted as a source of pluralist pride that Representative Gabbard would be sworn in on a copy of the Bhagavad Gita, and presumably Gabbard’s connection to that book is sufficient to ground its use in underwriting her sacred oath, but nobody thought to query her about how she understood and related to the truths contained in it.

Not so for the good old King James Version, whose own creation story, the Genesis, was a subject that came up in a recent GQ interview with young Senator Rubio of Florida. The question was simple enough: “How old do you think the earth is?”

Here’s Rubio’s answer:

I’m not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I’m not a scientist. I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries.

There’s much that’s right with Rubio’s answer — first on the list is the indisputable assertion that the age of the universe is not straightforwardly correlated with the United States’ gross domestic product — and plenty I’d have put differently. Unlike Gabbard’s beliefs, Rubio’s Catholic faith doesn’t leave him an easy parry to GQ’s question (which Earth do you mean?), but certainly Rubio could have hedged his bets in a less scattershot way. My preference would have been for Rubio to say that the Earth is as old as the best science says it is (4.54 billion years, give or take) though the First Amendment leaves all Americans free not only to disagree, but to proselytize on that disagreement. And if his interlocutor had followed up by asking how Rubio squared that with his own religious beliefs, he might have shrugged and added that mystery is a central component of faith.

On the Right, there is at least as much discussion of the fact that Rubio was asked this elephant trap of a question at all as there is of the details of his answer. And that’s good. But a better question might be, why wasn’t Gabbard asked it? Or President Obama, or Senator Harry Reid or Representative Keith Ellison? After all, Gabbard’s espoused Hinduism, like Obama’s espoused Christianity or Ellison’s espoused Islam or Harry Reid’s espoused Mormonism, entails a range of commitments to claims that are, prima facie, at odds with the empirical record. But there isn’t a cottage industry in interrogating Democrats on their faith the way there is with religious conservatives.

One reason for this is that elected religious conservatives tend to be white, male Christians, and owing to those groups’ cultural and political position of power, we as a society are freer in challenging the pieties (in both the positive and negative senses of that word) of whites, males, and Christians. By contrast, liberals and conservatives alike tend to be queasier over the idea of hassling members of minority religions, or minority members of Christian confessions (both of which groups tend to lean Democratic), about the details of their faith. This explains why you’re not likely to see an interviewer ask Gabbard whether she thinks we really are in the 156 trillionth year since the last Brahma was born. Is there a familiar whiff of condescension in all this? Sure, but let’s suppose it’s innocent enough and leave it to one side.

Even so, as the number of nonbelievers in political life is vanishingly small, there are still plenty of white, male Democrats who espouse a Christian faith. Why aren’t they asked how old the universe is? (Or better yet, a more loaded version of that question that would be far more revealing: “Do you think God created the universe 4.54 billion years ago?”)

They aren’t asked such questions because the proximate purpose of asking such questions isn’t to start a conversation about metaphysics, it’s to get conservatives to say odd, politically damaging things. Asking Richard Mourdock about abortion in the case of rape wasn’t aimed at starting a theo-philosophical debate about whether the dignity of human life is contingent on the circumstances of its creation. It was about exploiting Todd Akin’s idiocy to generate politically advantageous sound bites. Likewise, asking Marco Rubio about the age of the universe was an invitation to out himself as an anti-scientific rube, not an invitation to reflect on the intersection of religious and scientific truths.

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Though if I were Rubio, I might have been tempted to mess with GQ, to one-up Young Eartherism and tell them that I held with Bertrand Russell’s radically skeptical lark that the universe was created five minutes ago — fully stocked with fossils and tree rings and ruins, and baiting GQ interviewers.

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89 Responses to “Why are Republicans constantly being asked questions about religion?”
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  1. Storagemanager
    1 | November 21, 2012 8:44 am

    Because libs think the Bible is stupid and anyone that lives a moral life is an idiot.


  2. waldensianspirit
    2 | November 21, 2012 8:45 am

    One answer to the age of the universe question is:

    “How old are you?”

    Reporter states his/her age

    “Well if we can learn from history back 4 times that long that communism and socialism are failures, we can build a better future”


  3. Storagemanager
    3 | November 21, 2012 8:46 am

    Imagine a schoolgirl attending class, knowing that both her teacher and principal share the same husband. Awkward much?

    Well, for a Saudi man who married the three women, it may just be an example of love conquering all.

    The man, 50, was not named by the Saudi-based Okaz newspaper which reported the marital muddle.

    But his attraction to all things academic does not end there. The man is also married to a fourth wife, who works as an educational supervisor, mostly supervising the school that her husband’s other wives attend and work at.

    Meanwhile, the schoolteacher told the newspaper that the way she interacts with her husband’s wives at work is “no different” to how she treats other students and superiors. http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/21/250913.html


  4. Speranza
    4 | November 21, 2012 8:46 am

    No more Akins or Mourdocks!


  5. Storagemanager
    5 | November 21, 2012 8:49 am

    An Iranian 150-ton freighter departed Bandar Abbas port Sunday, Nov. 18, with a cargo of 220 short-range missiles and 50 improved long-range Fajar-5 rockets for the Gaza Strip, intelligence sources report. The ship turned toward the Bab al-Mandeb Straits and the Red Sea.

    The new Fajar-5s have a 200-kilo warhead, which packs a bigger punch than the 175 kilos of explosives delivered by the rockets in current use with the Palestinian terrorists in the Gaza Strip. To extend their range to cover the 85 kilometers from Gaza to Tel Aviv, Hamas removed a part of their payloads to make them lighter.

    Tehran is sending the fresh supply of disassembled rockets to replenish the stocks its allies, the Palestinian Hamas and Jihad Islami, depleted in their round-the-clock attacks on Israel since Nov. 10.

    To throw Israeli surveillance off the trail, the ship started its voyage called Vali-e Asr owned by the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines, and was quickly renamed Cargo Star and hoisted the flag of Tuvalu. This South Pacific island nation, which lies between Hawaii and Australia, has a tiny population of 11,000, most of them Polynesians. Iran provides most of its revenue since earlier this year when Prime Minister Willy Telavi agreed to register Iran’s entire tanker fleet of 22 vessels to Tuvalu, to help Tehran dodge the US-EU oil embargo.

    Our intelligence sources have learned that four big Sudanese shipping boats sailed out of Port Sudan early Monday and are waiting to rendezvous with the Cargo Star and offload its missile cargo in mid-sea.
    http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/7531


  6. 6 | November 21, 2012 8:51 am

    We need to make it clear: the Democrats are the anti-Christian party. Not anti-Religion, per se, because they are very comfortable with Islamofascism, but they are very anti-Christian.


  7. 7 | November 21, 2012 8:51 am

    Okay, the Bertrand Russell answer would have been a good one… He could have led them around like a small dog on a leash with that one.


  8. 8 | November 21, 2012 8:52 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    An Israeli submarine should simply sink that boat. There i sno reason to permit it to continue on its mission. This is, in fact, an act of war by Iran. Treat it as such.


  9. MikeA
    9 | November 21, 2012 8:53 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I think sometimes when the interview is going on, most of us would give a similar answer as Rubio’s and then later, after some thought, we would have come up with a better answer. I do that all the time.

    By the way, you still interested in the .44 mag ammo? Never heard from you.


  10. waldensianspirit
    10 | November 21, 2012 9:01 am

    @ MikeA:
    They gotta start thinking before they go out in front of the mics


  11. waldensianspirit
    11 | November 21, 2012 9:06 am

    CIA dumps it’s climate change office … … but keeps its funding for it? :roll:

    Fundamental problem with our government in a nutshell


  12. 12 | November 21, 2012 9:09 am

    Another tax hike I could get behind:

    (4) Resolved, the U.S. government should pass legislation that gifts to foundations in excess of a $20 billion lifetime exemption will hereinafter be taxed at 55%, the normal inheritance tax rate.

    Why limit it to $20 billion, though? These foundations turn into lifetime sinecures for the scions of wealthy families. They should be taxed just like the Family Farm would be.


  13. 13 | November 21, 2012 9:15 am

    Why are Republicans constantly being asked questions about religion?

    Because they don’t know how to answer and give Democrats fodder. The irony is its not the Left that is bugged out over Rubio’s answer. It’s Republicans. The next thread will be about that.


  14. Speranza
    14 | November 21, 2012 9:16 am

    @ Rodan:
    They just never learn do they?


  15. Speranza
    15 | November 21, 2012 9:18 am

    @ Storagemanager:
    Not much of a secret huh?


  16. Storagemanager
    16 | November 21, 2012 9:18 am

    Shocked…I say…shocked

    “I hope people see Hamas for what it is, and that is using their own people as human shields,” Feinstein said. “Putting these missiles and rockets in places right in the middle of residential areas, in homes and mosques and parks — you don’t do this. I mean, this borders on being an international war crime. Now the problem is, Hamas isn’t a member of either of the organizations — the Geneva Conventions or others that would hold this as a war crime. So, it’s a very difficult situation. Our solidarity has to be with Israel. This is a point where Israel has been under attack for a long period of time, and nothing has solved it.”
    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/21/feinstein-hamas-on-the-verge-of-committing-war-crimes/


  17. 17 | November 21, 2012 9:19 am

    @ Speranza:

    A member from a certain family you and I despise attacked Rubio. I am working on that thread.


  18. Speranza
    18 | November 21, 2012 9:19 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    An Israeli submarine should simply sink that boat. There i sno reason to permit it to continue on its mission. This is, in fact, an act of war by Iran. Treat it as such.

    Wait a minute that is a report coming from DEBKA File which does not have much credibility. DEBKA is a sensationalist website that more often then not is wrong.


  19. 19 | November 21, 2012 9:19 am

    @ Rodan:

    I think Rubio’s answer was just fine. It is the so-called secularists that are dogmatic against heresy. Whether it is the age of the universe or Gorebull Warming, their answer to anyone that doesn’t toe the line is “Stone the heretic!”


  20. Speranza
    20 | November 21, 2012 9:20 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    A member from a certain family you and I despise attacked Rubio. I am working on that thread.

    I hate the Bush family and I am proud to announce that every day here. The Bushies can kiss my butt.


  21. Storagemanager
    21 | November 21, 2012 9:20 am

    Feinstein under the bus..5..4..3..2..1.


  22. 22 | November 21, 2012 9:21 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I think sometimes when the interview is going on, most of us would give a similar answer as Rubio’s and then later, after some thought, we would have come up with a better answer. I do that all the time.
    By the way, you still interested in the .44 mag ammo? Never heard from you.

    None of us have script writers in real life, unfortunately. No background music, either.

    Remind me again about the .44 magnum deal -- I sorta remember it, but I’m a CRS (Can’t Remember Shit) sufferer. I remember you had some factory load .44 magnum that I was willing to buy off you, but I don’t remember the brand(s), specs, quantity or agreed price. None of that means we can’t crank it up again, though. Did the admins trade our e-mail addys? No need to disturb thread flows unless it’s necessary.


  23. Speranza
    23 | November 21, 2012 9:21 am

    I hope people see Hamas for what it is, and that is using their own people as human shields,” Feinstein said.

    Don’t hold your breath.


  24. 24 | November 21, 2012 9:21 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    There was nothing wrong with Rubio’s answer. Who cares how old the Earth is. It’s not the Left that is attacking him on this. It’s the GOP.


  25. 25 | November 21, 2012 9:23 am

    @ Speranza:

    I hate the Bush family and I am proud to announce that every day here. The Bushies can kiss my b

    utt.

    You heretic, how dare you insult that holy family! You will burn at the stake now!
    ////


  26. MikeA
    26 | November 21, 2012 9:24 am

    @ Mike C.:

    You canget my email from Rodan. Just ping him for it and he’ll pass it along. We can then talk off-line.


  27. 27 | November 21, 2012 9:25 am

    @ MikeA:

    I will do that tonight!


  28. 28 | November 21, 2012 9:26 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I really need to devote some range time to pumping some .44 through the Marlin. I’ve neglected to do that of late. Bad Mike, bad.


  29. 29 | November 21, 2012 9:26 am

    @ Rodan:

    The only people I’ve seen bitch about it were from the Left, but even Slate kind of took them to task for that. Rubio’s answer was a typical political answer to a touchy question. It isn’t much different than an answer Barack Obaam might have given to the same question if anyone had the temerity to ask him such a question.


  30. 30 | November 21, 2012 9:27 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Shocked…I say…shocked

    “I hope people see Hamas for what it is, and that is using their own people as human shields,” Feinstein said. “Putting these missiles and rockets in places right in the middle of residential areas, in homes and mosques and parks — you don’t do this. I mean, this borders on being an international war crime. Now the problem is, Hamas isn’t a member of either of the organizations — the Geneva Conventions or others that would hold this as a war crime. So, it’s a very difficult situation. Our solidarity has to be with Israel. This is a point where Israel has been under attack for a long period of time, and nothing has solved it.”
    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/21/feinstein-hamas-on-the-verge-of-committing-war-crimes/

    not difficult at all really. since Hamas isn’t a signatory to the treaties that would protect them, blast ‘em straight to hell. you fire a rocket from a neighborhood, the neighborhood is flattened within minutes. the people would insist that they stop and change the “government” OR they’d continue to support Hamas in which case you continue to literally destroy any location from which a rocket is fired. why is this difficult? especially for Israelis? it should be especially easy for the descendants of a People who have been the scapegoat of the world for centuries. Israel should unleash itself.


  31. 31 | November 21, 2012 9:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MikeA:
    I will do that tonight!

    Give MikeA mine as well, if you would. Thanks.


  32. MikeA
    32 | November 21, 2012 9:27 am

    @ Rodan:

    Thank you sir!

    @ Mike C.:

    Been a bit busy with helping my parents with stuff but need to get to the range also and put some 7.62 X 51 through the FAL. Feel the need.


  33. 33 | November 21, 2012 9:30 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The only people I’ve seen bitch about it were from the Left, but even Slate kind of took them to task for that. Rubio’s answer was a typical political answer to a touchy question. It isn’t much different than an answer Barack Obaam might have given to the same question if anyone had the temerity to ask him such a question.

    He answered it how would have. Actually I would have said, I don’t care how old the Earth is and how is it relevant. Actually there are some Republicans attacking him. Hot Air has attacked Rubio and in my next thread, others have as well.

    I love how Slate pointed out Obama gave the same answer.


  34. 34 | November 21, 2012 9:30 am

    I think Rubio should have said, “No idea. Next question.” and moved on to the next reporter.


  35. huckfunn
    35 | November 21, 2012 9:30 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Mike C.:

    I really need to devote some range time to pumping some .44 through the Marlin. I’ve neglected to do that of late. Bad Mike, bad.

    Did you buy that Model 29? Check this out. If you buy 300 shares of Sturm-Ruger now, the special dividend of $4.50 per share that pays out on December 21 will buy you a shiny new Dirty Harry. In other words, Ruger will buy you a Smith & Wesson.


  36. 36 | November 21, 2012 9:30 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Absolutely, I will do it this evening.


  37. 37 | November 21, 2012 9:36 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I love how Slate pointed out Obama gave the same answer.

    It was surprisingly even-handed of them. Slate makes no pretense about their Leftward tilt. The only way to as=nswer these questions is to refuse to play along with their game.


  38. 38 | November 21, 2012 9:37 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Republicans should not even bother asking answering those questions.


  39. 39 | November 21, 2012 9:37 am

    @ huckfunn:

    I want a special Talo model of 629. It has a three-inch barrel and a rounded butt. Nice. They go for around $800 on Gun Broker. I’ll get one eventually, but not this year.


  40. Storagemanager
    40 | November 21, 2012 9:41 am

    On November 14, the IDF embarked on ‘Operation Pillar of Defense’, meant to defend Israeli civilians from the incessant rocket attacks and cripple the terror organizations in the Gaza Strip.

    In just a few hours, the IDF achieved more than what Cast Lead managed: the targeted killing of Hamas military wing commander Ahmed Jaabari and the rapid destruction of scores of Iranian Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 rockets, the most potent weapons in the arsenal of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad in Gaza Strip.

    More than likely, the ‘Pillar of Defense’ started on October 24 with the preemptive strikes on the Yarmouk complex, manufacturing Iranian missiles in Sudan.

    Ostensibly, the Sudan strike may serve as an Israeli warning and a possible dry run to pave the way to attack Iran.

    Former Military Intelligence chief Amos Yadlin confirmed that the Sudan factory had housed the emergency reserve stocks of the Palestinian terror organizations in the Gaza Strip.

    Indeed, Israel’s precise surgical strikes did not only kill Hamas’ leading terror strategist, but also effectively eliminated virtually a good many of the Fajr-5 rockets within minutes -- stored in Gaza City
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12466


  41. huckfunn
    41 | November 21, 2012 9:42 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    I want a special Talo model of 629. It has a three-inch barrel and a rounded butt. Nice. They go for around $800 on Gun Broker. I’ll get one eventually, but not this year.

    That is nice. For whatever (Dirty Harry?)reason I prefer the 6″ which I have in a Model 28. Really a sweet piece. My hand is actually a bit too large for it and my middle and ring fingers take quite a beating.


  42. 42 | November 21, 2012 9:49 am

    What Republicans must understand is that the Democrats don’t simply want to defeat us, they want to kill and bury us as a party, then salt the Earth where we once thrived…and they won’t rest until that has been accomplished. They will lie, cheat, steal and have no qualms against permanently slandering a good man’s reputation, as we saw in this cycle, to get what they want. We’ve had nasty politics in this country since our founding, but instantaneous modern communication, the inherent vulnerability of electronic voting systems and “data mining”, which the Obama campaign almost pioneered, and definitely perfected (to the delight of Democrats, everywhere), “nasty” has been raised to a level heretofore unknown.

    This isn’t about simple mudslinging, it’s about permanent scarlet letters tattooed upon the foreheads of anyone who dares to oppose them. There are those who advocate our descent into the muck and matching them handful for handful, but I’m not convinced that’d work, even if I could convince myself to support a candidate who could excel at such woeful behavior. The Obama campaign ran one of the most vile, negative campaigns in memory, then had the temerity to tag Romney’s campaign as negative….and it stuck!

    We can talk all we want about the “messiah” schtick, and it’s absolutely pivotal, but we must talk about how he was able to sell that schtick in the first place as well as the gullibility and low self-esteem of the majority of voters that bought it two years cycles in a row.

    This isn’t a problem so much with Republicans as it is with the American electorate. Yeah, we’ve had some real duds, but the Democrats haven’t exactly been producing stellar examples of statesmanship either (Elizabeth Warren? Really?). Hell, Obama himself is an urban myth (and yes, I meant that just the way it sounds), wrapped around a set of grievances and sold as a savior -- and people not only bought it, they practical pee on themselves in his presence!

    We’re definitely in “Brave New World” territory here -- with the country in shambles, demonstrably worse than when he took over, no president should have been reelected. Again, ascribing this phenomenon to the messiah schtick is only half of the problem, even “messiahs” need loyal followers and in this case, they’re the real issue.


  43. 43 | November 21, 2012 9:51 am

    @ Rodan:

    THanks.

    @ MikeA:

    Last range trip it was just the 9s and the Mini-14. No revolvers, no Marlin. And I ain’t likely to get to the range on this short trip home -- too much crap to do (my turkey is in the oven right now.) Sigh…

    @ huckfunn:

    No, no Model 29 here. Just a fantasy/wish of mine, not something that’s likely to happen any time soon.


  44. 44 | November 21, 2012 9:53 am

    The Unions intend to break America over the Fiscal Cliff:

    On MSNBC’s “Ed Show” tonight, Leo Gerard, head of the United Steelworkers Union, warned Democrats not to compromise at all on the fiscal cliff. Gerard said any Democrats who does get weak knees isn’t a “real Democrat.” and suggested they will suffer the same fate as former Democratic Senator Blanche Lincoln. Lincoln lost the general election in 2010 after she wasted a lot of her resources fighting off a more liberal challenger in the primary earlier that year.

    “The best compromise is that the Republicans ought to start to understand that they’re the ones who have caused this mess by trying to hold up the president’s agenda for four years. Democrats don’t need to compromise. The president won on an economic agenda that included rebuilding the manufacturing base, fixing the infrastructure, letting the Bush tax cuts expire, not for the bottom 98%, but for the top 2%. And any Democrat that gets weak knees on that isn’t a real Democrat. And they ought to remember what happened to Blanche Lincoln,” Gerard said.

    They want America broken, so that the Old America can be swept aside. They are evil, and should be fought to the hilt.


  45. ferb123
    45 | November 21, 2012 10:02 am

    ok, I think one can delete Rubio from the 2016 list

    XDDDDDDDDDD


  46. 46 | November 21, 2012 10:03 am

    @ MacDuff:

    This could have been a post by itself!


  47. 47 | November 21, 2012 10:07 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    What Republicans must understand is that the Democrats don’t simply want to defeat us, they want to kill and bury us as a party, then salt the Earth where we once thrived…

    We should feel the same way about the Democrats. They are a dishonorable Party, anti-American, and pro-Jihad. We have to wake up, and take the gloves off. politics is War, not some Marquis of Queensbury rules boxing match. This game is for keeps. The Democrats are intent on destroying this country, and, indeed, with the re-election of Barack Obama have probably succeeded at that, but we have to go down fighting.


  48. 48 | November 21, 2012 10:08 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    This could have been a post by itself!

    Please feel free to use it as such. Here’s the link to my site where it resides under the title “Republicans Aren’t the Problem, Your Neighbors Are”.


  49. AZfederalist
    49 | November 21, 2012 10:09 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Actually somebody did ask Obama that answer. He gave the answer that he didn’t know how long God’s days were.


  50. 50 | November 21, 2012 10:21 am

    @ AZfederalist:
    This article in Slate discusses that. The question Obama was asked was less of a “gotcha” question, though. Still, Obama’s answer was similar to Rubio’s. Why is Rubio therefore being vilified? Simple, he is a Republican.


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | November 21, 2012 10:28 am

    Kirly wrote:

    I think Rubio should have said, “No idea. Next question.” and moved on to the next reporter.

    Then he’s “ignorant,” a chute which leads right back to the “Republicans are anti-science” meme.

    Never mind that the Left believes—religiously, if I may say so—in the following anti-scientific articles of faith:

    1) “global warming,” for which there is not only no scientific evidence, but actual scientific evidence proving the contrary;

    2) “green energy,” which at this point is basically a quest for a perpetual motion machine;

    3) “recycling,” which, though possible, is often economically unfeasible—yet is pursued as a matter of “scientific” necessity;

    4) “transgenderism,” which is the political advocacy, by the most bogus wings of the mental-health “soft science” establisment, of the validity of a mental delusion which contravenes scientific fact;

    5) “homosexuality.” Sexual attraction is a widely variant phenomenon; most people are attracted to the opposite sex, but within that broad umbrella there are people whose preference is for blondes, or brunettes, or people of a different race, or for achieving gratification with props like shoes, or rubber, or leather, or whips and chains. There are people who are primarily attracted to children—sometimes their own. And there are people who are also attracted, to a greater or lesser extent, to their own sex—sometimes exclusively so, sometimes for the thrill of variation, sometimes for want of anything better, sometimes for financial reasons or for a sense of power.

    These are all matters of behavior. But about 130 years or so ago, a pseudoscientific classification called “homosexuality” was invented and applied to that small subsection of sexual behavior which comprised same-sex attraction. The late 19th century was the heyday of pseudoscience; eugenics, phrenology, psychoanalysis, the invention of “antisemitism” as a “scientific” term for Jew-hate—all of these and more flourished then. “Homosexuality” does not exist; homosexual attraction exists, to a greater or lesser extent, and homosexual behavior exists, in response to that attraction—but there is absolutely no scientific basis for the classification of “homosexuality.” It is a political construct and a political identity, pure and simple.

    Why spend this much effort in pointing out the pseudoscientific foundation of “homosexuality?” Because it is the political promotion of homosexual behavior, and the political promotion of the minority-group victim status of those who engage in it, that is at the bottom of the Left’s derision towards religious belief, and its styling of non-Leftists as being “anti-science.”


  52. 52 | November 21, 2012 10:28 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    ok, I think one can delete Rubio from the 2016 list
    XDDDDDDDDDD

    How so?


  53. 53 | November 21, 2012 10:29 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The sad part is that the GOP has a Pro-Islamic wing of the Party. That’s why it would be difficult to pull it off.


  54. RIX
    54 | November 21, 2012 10:29 am

    Rhetorical traps for Republicans are standard operations by
    the Media toward Republicans.
    Case in point, Stephanopolis asked Romney about states &
    contraception during a debate. The question came out of
    the blue & sounded absurd.
    But it helped the Dems launch the phony charge of “War on
    Women.”


  55. waldensianspirit
    55 | November 21, 2012 10:29 am

    I say to proggies, “What about Grand in ‘Grand Canyon’ don’t you understand?”


  56. 56 | November 21, 2012 10:30 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    In my next thread I point out that its not really the Left that has gone after Rubio.


  57. 57 | November 21, 2012 10:31 am

    @ RIX:

    Santorum at that up with his attacks on contraceptives. i am convinced he’s a false flag operative.


  58. waldensianspirit
    58 | November 21, 2012 10:33 am

    @ Rodan:
    He’s not. Just grew up differently then you


  59. citizen_q
    59 | November 21, 2012 10:35 am

    koranimals

    Tel Aviv bus hit by bomb; Hamas celebrates

    (Reuters) -- A bomb exploded on a bus in central Tel Aviv on Wednesday, wounding 15 people in what Israeli officials said was a terrorist attack that could complicate efforts to secure a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip.

    Celebratory gunfire rang out across Gaza as the news spread and the territory’s Islamist rulers Hamas praised the bombing, but no one claimed immediate responsibility.

    Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri hailed the explosion.

    “Hamas blesses the attack in Tel Aviv and sees it as a natural response to the Israeli massacres…in Gaza,” he told Reuters. “Palestinian factions will resort to all means in order to protect our Palestinian civilians in the absence of a world effort to stop the Israeli aggression.”

    Sweet cakes were handed out in celebration in Gaza’s main hospital, which has been inundated with wounded from the round-the-clock Israeli bombing and shelling.


  60. buzzsawmonkey
    60 | November 21, 2012 10:36 am

    Rodan wrote:

    In my next thread I point out that its not really the Left that has gone after Rubio.

    I’m sure there are squish-Republicans who have. That, however, is not my point; what I am talking about is how deeply in bed with pseudoscience the self-styled “party of science” is.

    Furthermore, I believe it is important for as many people as possible to understand that one particular piece of pseudoscience—the invention of “homosexuality” and the passing off of this bogus pseudoscientific classification as “scientific”—undergirds a great deal of the Left’s opposition to traditional religion and morality, and is the wellspring from which the “gotcha” questions, which are intended to prove the Right is “anti-science,” originate.


  61. 61 | November 21, 2012 10:36 am

    @ Rodan:

    Ferb doesn’t seem to be aware that 73% of Americans identify themselves as Christian, and to the vast majority of these people there is nothing objectionable about Rubio’s answer.


  62. 62 | November 21, 2012 10:36 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    He’s a Socialist and wants to take money and spend it on “the family.” I have no use for him.


  63. 63 | November 21, 2012 10:38 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Sweet cakes were handed out in celebration in Gaza’s main hospital, which has been inundated with wounded from the round-the-clock Israeli bombing and shelling.

    The Palestinians are animals. Slaughter them, scrape Gaza off into the Med, and rebuild something that isn’t a terrorists’ paradise.


  64. 64 | November 21, 2012 10:39 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I really don’t get what the big deal is about Rubio’s answer. Even slate magazine is saying this is much ado about nothing. What has surprise me are the Republicans attacking Rubio over this. My next thread exposes who is behind these attacks on Rubio on the Republican side.


  65. 65 | November 21, 2012 10:40 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Progressives are all about pseudo science. It was the Democrats who gutted the space program.


  66. 66 | November 21, 2012 10:42 am

    @ Rodan:

    Which Republicans are attacking him? All I’ve seen are attacks from the Left.


  67. citizen_q
    67 | November 21, 2012 10:43 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The paleosimians make much about the most restrained response to their unceasing terror war, projecting claims of genocide.

    I think it is long past due they receive an object lesson in it.


  68. RIX
    68 | November 21, 2012 10:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Santorum at that up with his attacks on contraceptives. i am convinced he’s a false flag operative.

    He didn’t help.


  69. 69 | November 21, 2012 10:46 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We should feel the same way about the Democrats. They are a dishonorable Party, anti-American, and pro-Jihad. We have to wake up, and take the gloves off. politics is War, not some Marquis of Queensbury rules boxing match. This game is for keeps. The Democrats are intent on destroying this country, and, indeed, with the re-election of Barack Obama have probably succeeded at that, but we have to go down fighting.

    I’m absolutely with you in spirit but, as I said above, it’s rather doubtful it would work. Romney ran a remarkably positive campaign yet, as soon something that could remotely construed as “negative”, Romney was tagged as running a negative campaign -- and it stuck. I saw many “man on the street” interviews with people saying they wouldn’t vote for Romney because “he’s running a negative campaign”. They just mimic what they hear on TV.

    Don’t get me wrong, I understand that negative campaigns work, and Obama’s proof of that. It’s no longer about positive or negative however, it’s about marketing -- knowing your audience, speaking to them and relating to them. Apple creates it’s own market by selling products that you didn’t know you needed and charges more than their competitors -- they don’t cater to the lowest common denominator, so why should we?

    Democrats aren’t particularly stylish or hip, they’re “The People of WalMart” being led around by “beautiful people” mush heads they see on the cover of People Magazine in the check-out lane, union thugs and punk ass dime-store Socialists.

    Geez, a couple of decades ago they put rocks in cardboard boxes and sold them as “Pet Rocks” -- they were a sensation! We have a good message, we just need to market it.


  70. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | November 21, 2012 10:48 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Geez, a couple of decades ago they put rocks in cardboard boxes and sold them as “Pet Rocks” — they were a sensation!

    Maybe I should revive that, and market poems written on stones as “Pet Rock-ian sonnets.”


  71. RIX
    71 | November 21, 2012 10:48 am

    Obama was asked a similar question as Rubio in 2008
    at Messiah College (He must have thought that it was named
    after him.)
    He defended the Creation narrative, saying that as a Christian
    “I believe it”
    He just fudged if 6 days means 6 days as we understand it.
    Imagine if a Republican answered that way.


  72. 72 | November 21, 2012 10:48 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Which Republicans are attacking him? All I’ve seen are attacks from the Left.

    Hot Air has gone after him. It’s the blog of the GOP establishment. John Nolte from Breitbart. Forbes magazine which is GOP Establishment has gone after him.

    Plus in my next thread, I expose who in the GOP is going after Rubio now.


  73. buzzsawmonkey
    73 | November 21, 2012 10:52 am

    RIX wrote:

    Obama was asked a similar question as Rubio in 2008
    at Messiah College (He must have thought that it was named
    after him.)
    He defended the Creation narrative, saying that as a Christian
    “I believe it”
    He just fudged if 6 days means 6 days as we understand it.
    Imagine if a Republican answered that way.

    The ratchet mindset that enables proggies to disbelieve whatever a non-Leftist says also permits them to ignore/disbelieve anything a “progressive” candidate says that does not square with their worldview. For instance, when Obama claimed to be against same-sex marriage, up until Biden outed him, the Left did not believe him (nor, of course, did the Right); it was assumed that “he said what he had to say” but that he would promote the Leftist agenda regardless of what he actually said.


  74. 74 | November 21, 2012 10:54 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    that he would promote the Leftist agenda regardless of what he actually said.

    That part is actually true, and it is even more true now that he doesn’t have to worry about re-election.


  75. 75 | November 21, 2012 10:55 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Maybe I should revive that, and market poems written on stones as “Pet Rock-ian sonnets.”

    Indeed. We’re in the “Age Of Teh Stupid”, a real life Idiocracy. By all means, profit from it.


  76. 76 | November 21, 2012 10:55 am

    @ MacDuff:

    You post is scheduled for 5:00 PM EST.


  77. 77 | November 21, 2012 10:56 am

    @ MacDuff:

    It’s not Romney’s fault he lost. He would have been a great President, but the American people have other priorities.


  78. buzzsawmonkey
    78 | November 21, 2012 10:59 am

    Rodan wrote:

    It’s not Romney’s fault he lost. He would have been a great President, but the American people have other priorities.

    “Have a nice day.”

    “No, thank you—I have other plans.”


  79. RIX
    79 | November 21, 2012 11:00 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The ratchet mindset that enables proggies to disbelieve whatever a non-Leftist says also permits them to ignore/disbelieve anything a “progressive” candidate says that does not square with their worldview

    .

    That’s right. The same secular leftist that would smear Rubio
    for his answer will gush at how deft Obama was with his
    answeer.


  80. 80 | November 21, 2012 11:01 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    You post is scheduled for 5:00 PM EST.

    Thanks, Rodan! I’ll make it a point to be around.


  81. 81 | November 21, 2012 11:02 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    These people are going to expect the government to bail them out when they lose their jobs or have their hours drastically cut because of ObamaCare. That’ll be coming down the pike in about 18 months, I expect.


  82. heysoos
    82 | November 21, 2012 11:03 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    It’s not Romney’s fault he lost. He would have been a great President, but the American people have other priorities.

    like ferb…ask him how much debt is too much, or how to finance their dependence on govt and he looks at you, slack jawed and drooling….it will probably take some personal catastrophe to get them to blink…their sheer bulk in numbers will doom us all…I’m very pessimistic


  83. buzzsawmonkey
    83 | November 21, 2012 11:03 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    These people are going to expect the government to bail them out when they lose their jobs or have their hours drastically cut because of ObamaCare.

    The EBT Party v. the Tea Party…


  84. 84 | November 21, 2012 11:04 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    You got it!


  85. 85 | November 21, 2012 11:05 am

    @ heysoos:

    He doesn’t care.


  86. 86 | November 21, 2012 11:05 am

    New Thread.


  87. Storagemanager
    87 | November 21, 2012 11:08 am

    AP reports: An Iranian news agency says the head of Iran’s powerful Revolutionary Guard has disclosed his country has given fighters in Gaza the ability to produce longer-range missiles on their own, without direct shipments.

    The comments by Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari, quoted by the semiofficial ISNA news agency, offer some of the clearest insights on Iran’s weapons support for Hamas, whose Iranian-engineered Fajr-5 missiles have struck near Tel Aviv and Jerusalem during the past week of rocket exchange with Israel.

    The report Wednesday quotes Jafari as saying Iran has supplied technology to Gaza for the missiles to be produced “quickly.”

    Up to now, Iran denied it directly supplied Hamas with the Fajr-5.
    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/21/irans-revolutionary-guards-takes-credit-for-hamas-fajr-5-missiles/


  88. 88 | November 21, 2012 12:56 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    I think Rubio should have said, “No idea. Next question.” and moved on to the next reporter.

    Another good answer: “Why do you ask?”

    Or: “Have you ever asked Obama that question?”
    If no, then “Why have you asked me that question, but not Obama?”
    If yes, then “Would you please repeat the answer that Obama gave you?”


  89. 89 | November 21, 2012 1:08 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    even better…. “it’s irrelevant to my job. next.”


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