Those of you who know me in real life know that I can never pass up an opportunity to teach. Knowledge is indeed power. A day where you don’t learn something is like a day with0out sunshine.
So let me take this opportunity to give yinz this link and article about what really happened on that first Thanksgiving. Share the story with one or two who don’t know. Plant the seeds of the virtues of freedom and capitalism in a skull full of mush this year and just maybe we can help change society one person at a time.
The Real Story of Thanksgiving
By Julie Borowski on November 23, 2011
Every year around this time, most schoolchildren hear the same ol’ Thanksgiving story in their classrooms across the nation. That so-called official story is a heartwarming tale of how the Pilgrims and Native Americans shared a bountiful feast together. But it does not tell the full truth about what really happened on the Plymouth Plantation.
We’re told that the Pilgrims struggled for their survival when they landed in present-day Massachusetts in the 1620’s. Half of the Pilgrims starved to death or went back to England during the first year alone because of harsh winter weather and their lack of proper farming skills. Their chronic food shortages were ultimately resolved when the Native Americans taught the Pilgrims how to plant corn the following spring and together they celebrated their blessings with a huge feast.
That “official” story is nothing like what actually happened. For evidence of the failures of communism, we do not need to look to disastrous experiments in foreign lands. The Plymouth Plantation, one of the first English colonial ventures in North America, is actually one of the most evident examples of the failures of collectivism.
Centuries before the Communist Manifesto was even published, the Pilgrims set up an economic system that looked similar to the “utopia” advocated by Karl Marx. In the early years of the Plymouth Plantation, there was no such thing as private property. All property was held in common and it was forbidden for anyone to produce their own food. It was up to the plantation officials to distribute food and supplies to the Pilgrims based on equality and need.
The Plantation leaders showed their immense lack of knowledge regarding basic economic principles. Plymouth County Governor William Bradford wrote that, “the taking away of property, and bringing in community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing.” That clearly was not the case since the Pilgrims experienced great despair and massive food shortages for several years.
The Plymouth Plantation lacked the appropriate incentive structure. As economics Professor Benjamin Powell writes, “bad weather or lack of farming knowledge did not cause the pilgrims’ shortages. Bad economic incentives did.” Many Pilgrims faked illness or stole instead of working in the fields to produce food. William Bradford later wrote that the colony was filled with “corruption,” and with “confusion and discontent.” He stated that the crops were so small because “much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable.”
William Bradford finally decided to change course by implementing a new economic system in 1623. He assigned “every family a parcel of land” to do with it as they saw fit and the results were nothing short of miraculous. For the first time in the New World, families could enjoy the fruits of their labor. While it was not a complete private property system, the move away from collectivism saved the Pilgrims. As Governor William Bradford wrote that year, “instead of famine now God gave them plenty.”
Never again did the Pilgrims face widespread starvation and food shortages. Governor William Bradford wrote that this more capitalist system “had very good success for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been. By this time harvest was come…the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many.” The colonists actually produced so much food in 1623 that they starting exporting corn. The Pilgrims were able to celebrate all of their blessings with plentiful feasts.
The real story of Thanksgiving shows why freedom works and collectivism doesn’t. Let us not forget the lessons of colonial America: collectivism will always fail to produce a happy and prosperous society.
And…Rush reads his yearly history of Thanksgiving.
**This will be the first open thread today. At 1700est we will run “At last, the mystery of the Mayan calendar revealed. Actual science here!” and then at 2200est Thanksgiving greetings OOT form BunkX.
And (McDuff reminded me of this):
The funniest 5 minutes of TV ever!
MacDuff wrote:
she is well, and that is a good thing!
we kinda figured I was going to get cancelled anyway, so time to start the turkey!
No Thanksgiving is complete without:
“As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly”
How long before they airbrush Muslims and halal guinea hens into the Thanksgiving myth?
MacDuff wrote:
THE funniest 5 minutes of TV
EVAH!!!!!
MacDuff wrote:
Heh. Cracks me up every time I see it (and I saw it on first run, back when.)
Now as to the thread subject, I’d venture most Americans think English-based (and that’s what it is) America started with a group of religious folks at Plymouth. Which, of course, is absolutely not true. Roanoke Island aside, there’s Jamestown, which was supposed to MAKE MONEY! Not that Jamestown didn’t have it’s problems, because it most certainly did.
Mike C. wrote:
hysterical!
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone !
Guggi wrote:
YAY!!!
@ coldwarrior:
There’s always Cliff Claven’s explanation of why beer killing off brain cells improves your thinking (“Cheers”), but damned if I see it on the internet any more.
@ Mike C.:
@ Mike C.:
@ Guggi:
ahhh! see, its basic neuroscience!
i’ll run this past the neurology team tomorrow.
Guggi:
Yeah, but you really need the video, with Norm making two bets against Dianne RE Cliff’s explanation. The first one was that Cliff would have an explanation, and the second was (IIRC) “that it would be a doozie!”
May G-D bless you and your family…Happy Thanksgiving folks..
Mike C. wrote:
that was the one explaining cold beer on a cold day
Storagemanager wrote:
indeed!
Mike C. wrote:
Damn, I can’t find it either. “Cheers” was one of our favorites and we rarely missed one….that’s saying a lot in the pre DVR days when you actually had to be in front of the TV at a specific time (or deal with the cryptic programming process of a VCR).
Guggi wrote:
Thank you, and to you and yours!
Okay, we were talking about taking back schools the other day? Here’s what they are pushing in public school here in Canada. I suspect that similar lesson plans are being foisted on your students as well.
1933, New York City Ragamuffins.
Pretty interesting stuff. The pics at the site are very cool (if not a bit hard to see).
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
George Washington’s Thanksgiving Day Address
@ PaladinPhil:
Because, math, science , and reading are so different today than they were forty years ago. All of these so-called teachers should be fired.
MacDuff wrote:
We celebrate Thanksgiving on the 1st Sunday in October (this one starts right at my university)
@ Iron Fist:
Part of the problem is where this teaching method is being taught. Teacher colleges are teaching future teachers these methods. It’s going to be a long battle to take back classrooms from the marxist thinkers.
coldwarrior wrote:
Good Luck! I my thankfully limited experience physicians often have a limited sense of humour.
As an example. My wife was in the ER for abdominal pains. They could not find anything wrong. Personally knowing my wife and after they had run tests and ruled out anything serious, I thought she’d feel better if she just let lose and farted. This I kept to myself The ER physician was hovering over my wife talking, telling her that they could not anything wrong. I figured I would lighten things up with a joke. I suggested to the doc that maybe my wife was afflicted with opticanalitis. This stopped her dead in her tracks, she took it seriously and thought it a condition she’d never heard of before, and asked me to elaborate. I told her my wife has a shitty outlook………. She looked at me confused, so I explained the poor joke, it really wasn’t worth pushing it.
The wife was not happy with my joking, she made I had a shitty outlook for awhile.
citizen_q wrote:
our residents are pretty funny, two of the 4 attendings have no sense of humor, the other 2 are a riot
@ PaladinPhil:
Yeah, and it is not sufficient that you be educated to teach anymore. You have to have gone through the indoctrination to get a teaching credential. We are as bad as the Soviet Union for requiring political orthodoxy in order to teach. They call this diversity, but it is anything but diverse.
coldwarrior wrote:
I just saw my primary physician yesterday and she’s a hoot! That’s one of the reasons I’ll stick with her as long as she’s practicing. She was following up with general questions and I mentioned that my cognitive issues were still present and I added “considering the state of the country and the world, a little lack of cognition is something of a blessing” she had her head on the table in laughter. she’s highly competent and an absolute joy to be around and I’m damned thankful for her.
@ Iron Fist:
Mom didn’t get the meme about recycling.
Punish the CHILD!
Next time she will comply. /
citizen_q wrote:
That’s actually quite funny! Laughter and good cheer have been a whole lot better for me than brooding and worry, and I’ve experienced plenty of both. I’m convinced that the ol’ adage “laughter is the best medicine” is based in fact.
@ Iron Fist:
As a re-read:
THE EDUCATION OF MINORITY CHILDREN
Guggi wrote:
Thanks for posting that, he’s as relevant now as he ever was!
Happy Thanksgiving. It is a great day not to be a turkey.
@ coldwarrior:
I would imagine an appropriate sense of humour would be an asset.
@ MacDuff:
I thought so. Like I said, I only ventured the joke when it really looked like nothing was wrong, but alas, humour is in the ear of the beholder.
@ Calo:
Hey! Happy Thanksgiving! I thought I’d give you an update on my condition. I weighed in at 196.4 yesterday morning, down from 304 (at my official weigh-in; I was over 315 at one point). I had a minor set-back this year when I was diagnosed with avascular necrosis in my hips. I had a core decompression done on my Left hip. There’s no pain, but it kind of keeps me from running anymore, which is depressing. However, I can “run” on the elliptical, and I’ve been burning that up. I am up to 4 miles in 30 minutes, which is really, really good. That has been a goal of mine for some time. I’d wanted to sdo it on the treadmill, but you do what you can. Overall, though, I am in excellent shape now. I still want to lose about another 20 pounds. I think I’ll accomplish that in the next six months.
@ Iron Fist:
That is good news. Keep up the good effort.
Mike C. wrote:
Cough cough… Actually it’s because of a substance called isotropin, which is in the beer because of the Hops. It occurs naturally in the Hops. Isotropin is an amino acid that basically dissolves fat, in the brain that results in a increased neurotransmitter to ganglia ratio.
@ Iron Fist:
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your household as well, IF.
Great news on the weight loss and even better news that your docs didn’t have to do a total hip replacement on you. I also saw a post that you are off alI insulin now. That is really great news to hear.
I can relate to the depression on not being able to run.
I can bike and swim but I still can’t get past a mile run. Maybe a mini marathon is not in my future. I’ll take what I can get and forge on, happy to be feeling better my damn self.
Oh… And Happy thanksgiving everyone…
The preliminaries are pretty much done. Things are at the ready for the last-minute rush (okay, last 45 minute rush.) Eating is scheduled for 1 PM, but since the older daughter hasn’t been on time for well over a decade, that might just slide a bit. But it is what it is. There must be something I need to do in the meantime, though, so I better go find it and do it.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! From the beautiful Georgetown, Texas with a current temperature of 57° and going up to 77° with mostly sunny skies. Visiting with my aunt who is fighting stage 4 lung cancer and is doing remarkably well. Last chemo is on Monday and then a reevaluate. Smoked Turkey breast with all the fixins are on the menu later today!
Calo wrote:
ROTFLMAO… I’d be lucky these days to be able to run to the liqueur store and back, and it’s only half a block away. (back in my 20′s I was a jogger who averaged 15 miles a day). That’s what happens when you get old fat and lazy…
:lol;
Dolphin wrote:
How exactly do you fit a turkey breast into your Bong, and why would you smoke it, I prefer to eat the turkey breast myself…
doriangrey wrote:
We of conservative persuasion no like ‘em “science!”, it make our underdeveloped Republican brains hurt.
That notwithstanding, I drink to our collective health, cheers!
RIX wrote:
As true literally as it is figuratively. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, RIX!
@ doriangrey:
Haha!
@ Dolphin:
Yes, a gorgeous day is on tap here for South Texas. It’s 67 right now with a high of 78 degrees later.
The menfolk are busy in the kitchen prepping the bird and serving me some coffee while I sit down and relax this morning.
Iron Fist wrote:
Those are pretty impressive stats, Fist! We joined a health club a couple of weeks ago in the quest to lose some weight and just generally improve our health. I’ve been going religiously, setting modest goals and, already, I feel better than I’ve felt in years.
Of course, Thanksgiving is a bit of a detour, and that’s the way I look at it-merely a detour. Deprivation is not good for the spirit and today is to make merry and enjoy what prosperity that’s still available.
@ Calo:
You got them trained well! I prepped everything before we came over. Everything should go in about 1:30 and we should eat by 3pm.
Calo wrote:
I read that sentence, look at your avatar, and realize it’s very well chosen! Well done, keep ‘em hoppin’.
@ doriangrey:
Cut your damn hair Dorian. It’ll lighten your load as you hop your way down the block.
And, Happy Thanksgiving to your mom. Remind her to take her meds today to stay healthy and avoid salt laden foods today.
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!! Remember, there is no cure for tryptophan poisoning but watching football.
Calo wrote:
Good grief woman, what is it with you and my poor hair… I still have all my hair I aint cutting it till I start to loose it…
doriangrey wrote:
So if i inject isotropin in my beer belly, i get smarter and lose weight. I seeing win win here… LOL
@ SciFiGuy:
It used to be Dallas who played football and I had to endure on Thanksgivings past.
Not this year.
Lions vs Texans
Two Thanksgiving Day Gentlemen
A seasonal story by O. Henry.
Calo wrote:
That’s probably coming, but the goal of the core decompression is to put it off as long as possible. I’m just glad that there is an avenue for me ot continue to get my cardio in. That has become very central to my life. The surgery has brought about a near-total change in my behavior. I am eating much better than I used to. We had a health check-up at work the other day, and my cholesterol was 129. My HDL was a little low at 38, but overall my numbers were in the ideal range.
Off all diabetes medications, and my A1Cs are running under 6.8. I still run a little high, but it isn’t worth treating. I am in so much better shape than I was 18 months ago. Now I just have to keep it up. I turn 45 in about 20 months, and my goal is o be in the best shape of my life by then.
@ doriangrey:
Meh … there once was a Southern California blogger who rode a bicycle and sported a grey pony tail. I’m just trying to save you from the same fate, my darling.
Calo wrote:
Texans pulled Sundays game out their buttocks against J’ville. Took them toooooo lightly almost bite them.
Happy Thanksgiving! I am watching the Macy’s Thanksgiving day parade.
Calo wrote:
I’m glad the NFL has finally decided to add variety to the slate of Thanksgiving Day games.
Just Dallas & Greenbay vs. whatever punching bags they were up against year to year had gotten beyond old….unless of course you are a Dallas or Green Bay fan.
Nice to see my Skins take on the C’Girls today.
@ John Difool:
Pats vs. Jets game tonight ought to be another good one. Jets always seem to step it up when the Pats come to town.
Meant Detroit not Greenbay, but although both Dal & Det play today & then the Jets & NE later on this evening, all three of these games should be good for a change on Thanksgiving.
SciFiGuy wrote:
Skins have to beat Dallas to remain alive in the division & for a chance at a possible wildcard at the end of the season. Dallas also, they are one up on the Skins.
This is a must win game for both teams with playoff implications.
@ SciFiGuy:
Break Brady!
@ SciFiGuy:
@ Bumr50:
Gront is also out for the season.
MacDuff wrote:
Exactly. It isn’t any one day that makes a difference. It is the pattern of your behavior. I set short-term goals and long term goals. I am always trying to get a little better. It is through slow, small, but constant gains that I improve. I’m never going to be a pro body builder or marathon runner, but I can be the best me that I can be, and that will be enough. Happy Thanksgiving! In spite of Obama, we still have a lot to be thankful for.
Happy Thanksgiving infidel dogs.
While you indulge in haram food and silly sports read how a soldier of Allah meets his glorious reward./
From PJ Tatler
This guy, Osama behind the wives, Taliban and Hamas’ baby killers as opposed to our military’s courage and that of NYPD, FDNY, and many others should leave us supremely confident and very thankful this day.
MacDuff wrote:
Right back at ya my friend.
Calo wrote:
Not to worry my dearest Calo… I don’t ride a bicycle and don’t fancy myself Ansel whatever his name was…
Okay, I cut up turkey, did 2nd round preliminaries on the green beans, and loaded what I had into the dishwasher. Might run that before eating even begins. There will be plenty to fill it up twice over again afterwards. Gotta try and stay aheah on that cleaning stuff, you know.
Rumor has it brussel sprouts are coming, too!
@ doriangrey:
I work hard at being mean. It will upset Rodan if he thinks otherwise.
Don’t blow my cover, dude
And, Happy Thanksgiving Dorian. I’ve missed seeing you on the OOT.
doriangrey wrote:
What ya’ mean by “there was once” ? Pretty sure nothing’s changed except he probably gets around in one of those motorized carts you see fat people riding around in at WalMart now.
doriangrey wrote:
Ah hell, I don’t want to be Ansel Adams myself. He’s great to learn from and had some great techniques. I want to be my own artist.
Hi everybody, happy Thanksgiving! Hubby just opened the champagne, the pig should be out of the oven by 2 pm and we’ll enjoy a little lobster bisque before then.
Iron Fist wrote:
In your case, the love of a very good woman………
@ eaglesoars:
A good marriage is priceless.
Iron Fist wrote:
yeppers.
Hey if anyone else here is a Vince Flynn fan, I just finished his most recent The Last Man -- highly recommended!
Since Mrs. MacDuff relegated the household duties to me, as I’m in a state of “retirement”, the status of the menu for the day is as follows.
I have my homemade corn pudding setting, ready to bake, as is my dressing (Trader Joe’s, but it smells delicious). Got the steamer and vegetables ready to start. Picked up my deep-fried turkey breast yesterday at a small local butcher (my being somewhat Tim Tayloresque, of late, a job best left to professionals).
Yeah, I know, but the corn pudding is homemade and a dish of which I’m quite proud!
eaglesoars wrote:
I used to be a Tom Clancy fan (when he actually wrote books), and I’ve been told that Flynn’s even better. Would you agree?
@ MacDuff:
Brad Thor’s books are good, too. Decidely un-PC when it comes to Islam.
MacDuff wrote:
I think Apples and Oranges here. Primarily based on the completely different personalities of the main characters. Jack Ryan is not an assassin. Mitch Rapp is probably the deadliest man on the planet. Altho I think Flynn is every bit as good w/CIA machinations as Clancy. The Last Man had a bit of a jawdropper resolution.
But THE ABSOLUTE BEST BAR NONE -- Daniel Silva. The man could write a menu and it would be transfixing.
lobo91 wrote:
Another great storyteller. His books are how I found out about the Caucasion Ovcharks. If I were younger and had some serious land, I’d be raising them.
Ah, I see it’s the last-30-minute pre-sitdown rush time.
BBL.
eaglesoars wrote:
i’m currently reading the Mahabarata
my newest thriller hero is Jack Reacher, the Lee Childs hero…super fast, easy to read, and Jack is a different sort of guy…fun stuff
@ lobo91:
@ eaglesoars:
I appreciate the info, Clancy’s “A Debt of Honor” and the follow-up “Executive Orders” introduced me to the genre. That was some fantastic stuff and it introduced me to his older works but I don’t think he really writes any more, he just sells his name. It’s a bit insulting.
@ eaglesoars:
Jason Bourne is the deadliest man alive
@ coldwarrior:
Very chilling and it verifies the ancient alien theory.
eaglesoars wrote:
Is that dog as immense as he looks? He almost looks somewhat like a dark-haired variation on a Great Pyrenees. Gorgeous dog!
Iron Fist wrote:
Hear! Hear! I can’t imagine life without her. There’s a lot to be thankful for, right there!
@ poteen:
“allah kasam”? Is that where “ala kazaam” of silly, fake, magic genies (jinn) came from?
/ deliberately mean
@ poteen:
Oh, giving great thanks on this day that he’s gone, nevere to terrorize anyone again.
MacDuff wrote:
They stand something like 41 inches high and weigh around 200 pounds.
Rodan wrote:
i am still in Udyoga Parva (The Book of the Effort), the battle starts in a few more ‘chapters’
@ lobo91:
The closer to the truth, the funnier the stuff and that’s hilarious!
@ lobo91:
Hah! Those are my friends.
I’ll be amongst them tomorrow.
God save me.
@ MacDuff:
Clancy sold his name to Ubisoft for a large sum of money a few years ago.
Even before that, though, a lot of the books that had his name on them weren’t really written by him (like the NetForce series).
Calo wrote:
I’ll be at a gun show, where it’s much safer.
Oh gawd I have a lot of food here for two people, what the hell was I thinking?
Kirly wrote:
Rubbing the lamp didn’t work out too well for him.
@ poteen:
Heh! Unless his wish was to be taller, thinner and have 72 girlfriends./////
@ poteen:
Simply put, they’re pussies.
coldwarrior wrote:
It’s been a long time so I don’t remember all the individual book names, but one of the books is genuinely interesting and frightening. It describes a nuclear exchange between several of the floating cities and tell exactly where that exchange took place.
Over a desert region of the Indus Valley, currently the Pakistani border area with India. The exchange supposedly took place around 10,500 BC. What makes it frightening is that the desert in that area shows amazingly similar green glass clumping to the Arizona and Nevada nuclear test sites including markedly high background radiation levels.
MacDuff wrote:
Leftovers my friend, leftovers…
doriangrey wrote:
yeah..spooky, huh?
doriangrey wrote:
To be honest, I start fantasizing about leftover turkey sandwiches even before the original dinner.
@ doriangrey:
@ heysoos:
I am currently on the third book Running Blind. I too enjoy this series. I like the Ted Bell “Hawke” series also.
What an absolutely delightful day here in Louisville! It seems a shame to spend it feasting and imbibing, but a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do.
coldwarrior wrote:
Indeed, I’m fairly convinced myself that the sudden appearance of civilizations like Egypt, Harappa Civilization, and the Ancient Olmec of South America suggest that they were the heirs of a series of previously unidentified highly advanced civilizations whose ruins now lie under the coastal waters surrounding the major continents.
I believe that much of modern science is suffering from the infallibility of the modern priesthood. Which is more precisely that many scientists having staked their reputations on their work, are unable to allow their works to be challenged.
MacDuff wrote:
it’s 60d here in Albuquerque, bright blue sky same as any other day…very quiet
@ doriangrey:
Archaeologist in that region discovered high radiation levels.
heysoos wrote:
Gawd I love Albuquerque, and AZ in general. It’s 68 here and only wisp of clouds. I have the table set and the windows open in the sunroom. A perfect day.
Sometimes everything’s just perfect, this is such a day.
doriangrey wrote:
WHAT are you people talking about? When I checked Amazon for the Mahabarata I found what looked to be an epic Indian poem rendered by multiple writers.
??????????????
eaglesoars wrote:
The Mahabharata is one of India’s oldest and most sacred Vedic Text’s. It is an oral history of ancient Indian civilizations that was recited in the pentameter of anustup. It wasn’t committed to written form until the 17th century hence the reason it is usually misidentified as poetry rather than a transcribed oral history.
Hey, I’m trying to be positive on this picture-perfect day, but geez, goddammed unions!
Better now, just had ta say that.
MacDuff wrote:
one word, Hostess…
hope you feel better now
@ doriangrey:
Here, watch this, it will shake up your beliefs about civilization… (no, it is not a conspiracy theory, this is 100 percent real archeology) The worlds archeological community currently does not dispute, but has no explanation for this.
doriangrey wrote:
someday in the future explorers will find Newark and call it the lost city of Christie…
Sharia anyone?
Storagemanager wrote:
same shit different day…
@ doriangrey:
cool vid, thanks…I’m one of those that believes humans are just now waking up to our ancient, yet to be discovered past…too bad I won’t live long enough to know whats under Antarctica….just imagine
@ MacDuff:
SEIU, the vanguard of the proletariat.
Obama’s shock troops.
doriangrey wrote:
first time I’ve heard of this and it’s chilling. 12K yrs? will do more reading, thanks dorian
happy thanksgiving y’all
from Momcat, the girl and I
Storagemanager wrote:
/what’s that? the NYT headline for January 1st?
anybody else injrct their turkey with creole butter?
mmmm,mmmm good!
RIX wrote:
Comrade, I will trade you my meat ration coupon for your beer coupon? yes?
brookly red wrote:
Nyet Comrade, you toss in bread crust , yes?
RIX wrote:
crust? I give you whole loaf for your cigarettes. final offer.
Happy Thanksgiving to the mockers and lurkers! It’s even warm in my igloo up here in the frozen North.
That’ll change.
heh
the moocher cat that comes by every once in a while came by and is
now devouring the turkey scraps that where in my reg cats bowl
now she is licking it clean and looking at me as if to say
uhhhh, more?
damn
that was a double handful of meat and it was gone in less than
60 seconds
yenta-fada wrote:
and the same to you…
bet your ac bills are cheap
yenta-fada wrote:
Yes! joyous Government Appreciation Day to you too Comrade!
@ brookly red:
.
Da Comrade, ees deal!
heysoos wrote:
Uh, Antarctica is a continent. What’s under it is the mantle, same as any other continent.
Storagemanager wrote:
Arab Spring/////
@ eaglesoars:
Graham Hancock wrote about how the Sphinx and Pyramids may be around the same age. Built by human hands around the same time frame. Based upon erosion around the sphinx and astronomy.
eaglesoars wrote:
found something
Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization
Mike C. wrote:
under the ice that is
PaladinPhil wrote:
heh
GMTA!
RIX wrote:
Deal! and joyous Governmental Appreciation day to you too!
Heading out to the relatives. Have a great Thanksgiving.
rain of lead wrote:
Cat is union? Hah! wonderful country!
@ heysoos:
Rocks.
the Lions only need to go upfield, kick afield goal to defeat the mighty 9-1 Texans….simple
PaladinPhil wrote:
and since the Jews left nothing has been built.
eaglesoars wrote:
Graham Hancock just happens to hold a nearly identical hypothesis as I do regarding human ancient history. Namely that it is older than the currently assumed 5000 years, and that because of the nature of human civilizations, being that they always arise around plentiful sources of water, that we are looking in the wrong places for the genuinely ancient civilizations.
Go back in time 10,500 years or more and because of the accumulation of ice (you have heard of the ice-ages right?) the coastlines were in a completely different place. In most places the coastlines were between 25 and 75 miles away from where they now are, 25 to 75 miles out in the ocean to be precise.
Us humans built the vast majority of our civilization right next to either the worlds oceans, or great rivers. As the oceans rose from glacial melt, the coastlines of 10,500 BC earth were submerged. Which, coincidentally is exactly where the ancient Harappa city “Krishna’s city” is being discovered. 25 miles off the coast and in 130 feet of water.
It is definitely what you would call, food for thought.
@ brookly red:
yep union cat for sure
doriangrey wrote:
i have he mahabharata, containing the bhagavad gita (in stand alone book form), and then the ramayana to complete.
then its on to the epic of gilgamesh.
rain of lead wrote:
perhaps you should bring it in for some free health care?
doriangrey wrote:
I just downloaded that puppy. Archeology has always fascinated me -- I almost majored in it. I finally was able to overcome my mental fear of geometry because my teacher was also an archeologist and she showed me how to lay out a site. I didn’t know I was learning geometry.
I remember her saying something very similar -- if you look at the timing of civilizations rise and fall on a global scale, something fishy there lies. It’s almost like they came out of nowhere.
I had almost forgotten about it. It was 45 yrs ago and if I thought she was still alive, I’d find her and show her this.
heysoos wrote:
Be glad you’re not around when the Shoggoths get loose.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
What? He doesn’t live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave right now?
doriangrey wrote:
Obama’s not a Shoggoth. He’s proud of his African heritage; he’s a regular Shaka Cthulhu.
boom shaka shaka shaka
boom shaka shaka shaka…
it’s a half white thing
heysoos wrote:
Given Obama’s manifest failings, I’d phrase that “boom shaka lacka lacka lacka…”
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
he is the anti-christ, there I said it.
@ eaglesoars:
I read the Sphinx one about 12 or more years ago. Was big into alternate thought as well. Well, not too much alternate thought. I still didn’t go with the whole illuminati and aliens stuff.
heysoos wrote:
If you’re talking about Obama, I think you have an extra “h” and “e” in one of those words.
PaladinPhil wrote:
Wanna hear the strangest alien hypothesis I ever heard? You know who Francis Crick was, yes? He of DNA fame? He wrote a book -- that I have somewhere around here -- that it -- or its precursor -- got here from elsewhere via meteorite or something.
eaglesoars wrote:
Such alien hypotheses are simply the atheist version of God creating man.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
he promises to eat YOU last!
@ eaglesoars:
I have heard of the panspermia theory. It makes a sort of sense in some areas.
showtime….Thanksgiving football
Cowboys vs Redskins
classic dude
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I have no idea what Crick’s religious beliefs were. However, as I believe the Creater was just that -- of everything -- I don’t see how this hypothesis is atheistic.
eaglesoars wrote:
It is atheistic because those who propose it do not believe in the existence of a Creator, and do an end run around the challenge questions of “how did DNA, and therefore life, arise?” and “even if you can create DNA—say, on the virus level—whence comes consciousness and a soul?” by saying, “Oh, DNA dropped from the skies.”
In short, they dismiss the existence of a Deity by positing, as a substitute, a deus ex machina in the form of something magically dropping in from outer space.
I could also point out that this is not that far from the Muslim veneration of the meteorite in the Ka’aba.
eaglesoars wrote:
why did god invent Muslims and cancer?
heysoos wrote:
Ask Him.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I held off-- work and duties simply didn’t allow me time this year. I’m cooking a turkey for Christmas anyway.
Have a drumstick for me
and Go Buckeyes! The Game starts in 36 hours.
heysoos wrote:
Gotta love the kicker for the mighty Texans!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I respectfully disagree. I know that G-d IS -- I just don’t indulge in the hubristic exercise of thinking I know how G-d accomplished the creation/life. I’ve never understood how Darwinian evolution is a threat to G-d as creator. How G-d did/does something is really up to G-d.
heysoos wrote:
To keep me awake at night. Yes, it’s all about me. But you knew that.
@ Buckeye Abroad:
Happy Thanksgiving Buckeye! We are quite contentedly stuffed to the gills and I think there’s a nap in my future.
heysoos wrote:
they same reason he invented free will… think about that
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It may be an “atheistic” conceit sure. Then there are all the deep space discoveries of building blocks of life in outer space. Who knows what plan god follows and how he works it?
An amazing vid about Freedom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QvRcP4go-eg#!
eaglesoars wrote:
Again—I’m not talking about your belief, or your understanding; I’m talking about how people who explicitly profess disbelief in a Creator try and do an end-run around the issue by looking to a deus ex machina, without realizing that they are simply kicking the can down the road.
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Oh, ok, got it.
Having heard several versions of this story, I suspect it’s apocryphal, but it has a point.
Bertrand Russell was giving a lecture about something or other and afterwards, an elderly lady approached him to say that he was quite wrong about something. The world was held up on the back of a giant turtle. Russell asked “And Madam, what is the turtle standing on?”
“Why another turtle!”
“And what is THAT turtle standing on”
The woman was triumphant. “It’s no use professor! It’s turtles all the way down!”
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yea, I have read excerpts from Dr. Richard Dawkins book (wasn’t about to read the whole thing since Dawkins is a completely narcissistic arrogant asshole) “The God Delusion” where he makes the assertion that life is basically the result of an ancient super advanced alien civilization.
Basically the same argument, which, like eaglesoars said, amounts to “Turtles all the way down”…
the Skins RG3 is a BEAST!…
probably the best rookie QB I’ve ever seen…
he’s killing Dallas
@ doriangrey:
He’s just Dawkin the issue.
heysoos wrote:
Dammit. I ALWAYS root for Dallas over the ‘skins. Just out of spite. The ‘skins fans, when I came to this area, thought their QB was fabulous.
He used hairspray.
Coming from the Steelers, in the days the QB was pretty much bald and really WAS a great QB, it was kinda sickening.
I’ve held it against them ever since.
Except for Art Monk, who is one of the finest examples of the species I’ve ever laid eyes on.
eaglesoars wrote:
if you ever beat Dallas, I hate you…I’m a simple fan
imagine how much I hate the Steelers…you can’t
heysoos wrote:
Well, you must have loved this week’s game.
They miss Ben.
Everytime I see a Dallas fan around here -- usually indicated by some insignia on the car -- I make it a point to shake their hand. Just ‘cuz I hate the Redskins.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Well, personally I just figured he had been Dawkin his head in jello a tad bit to much…
guess you be hating a lot… yo Texas love your politics, hate your football.
FNC has been showing video messages from troops overseas today. The last few were recorded right outside the main dining facility at Camp Arifjan. That’s where I had my Thanksgiving dinner last year.
The food was actually pretty good, but I’m thankful that I’m not there anymore.