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The Mechanics Of Winning Back The Culture: Part Two

by Flyovercountry ( 206 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2016, Politics at November 23rd, 2012 - 1:00 pm

Political Cartoons by Bob Gorrell

This one is a little more complicated than yesterday, and it consists of four subtle parts. There are things the other side gets right in the world of politicking, and the evidence of that is that we are saddled with a second term of a Barack Obama Presidency. Obviously, the political left campaigns better than they govern, and that is an important distinction to make, as well as an important skill to have. What it boiled down to was this, in a world where the track record of our President’s performance over his four year term in office was perhaps the single worst track record ever earned by any President in our nation’s history, he was able to garner more votes than the man who ran against him for office. He won that election, despite being clearly outmatched intellectually, in terms of life time accomplishment, in terms of vision, in terms of policy direction, and by any measurable metric, except for campaign tactics employed. In fact, Barack Obama won two Presidential elections despite not once putting himself out on a limb by offering any sort of political argument, or even so much as anything that could be even loosely interpreted as an agenda.

We, myself included, laughed at the empty platitudes, slogans, and talking point arguments which substituted themselves for coherent debate during our national discourse. I’m not sure, looking back on it, if that laughter was due to frustration or disbelief with the absurdity of trying to have a debate with a group of people who seemed incapable of any abstract or rational thought. But as we all laughed, something rotten happened. It worked. I am not advocating for the same tactic to be used by our side, but what I am saying is that we can learn from the experience.

The endless repetition and ready made responses to any argument posited from our side, no matter how incredibly wrong, and coincidentally incoherent, made the noise emanating from the political left both easy to remember for election day, and at the same time accepted as gospel. Four years later the, “it was George Bush’s fault,” meme worked, even though the problems with our economy are the exclusive fault of failed big government policies that were inflicted upon us by legislation signed into law with pens held in the hands of James Earl Carter and William Jefferson Clinton. This tactic allowed the economic system that has enabled the American people to create the wealthiest nation the world has ever known over the past 239 years, to suddenly become perceived as the failed policies of the last decade. It doesn’t matter that the entire argument is the farthest an argument can be from being true, it has the perception of truth to half of our population, and the bottom line is that that’s enough from an electoral point of view. That’s the truth that the political left has figured out. That’s the battle we need to win, and we need to win this battle starting today.

The Good News:

We have the benefit of truth on our side, and that counts for something too. If we can marry what made the left successful in their campaign efforts with the truth, it will defeat the endless lying offered up by the left each and every time. The left has won a lot of elections lately, and one thing we have all noticed is that during every one of those elections, they have kept their actual agenda hidden, secret, and indeed even lied to make their agenda appear as the opposite of what they actually intended to do. Remember the Blue Dog Democrats, those guys who got themselves elected to create majorities in both houses of Congress on the basis of being conservative Democrats, fiscal conservatives with socially liberal values, and then consequently governed as the most far left Congress in U.S. history. I was mistaken to believe that we had seen the last of them after the 2010 midterms, but just like a wise man named Bill Whittle once said, “you need to mow the lawn every week, because the grass keeps growing.” Our problem seems to stem from our mowing the lawn once, and then allowing the grass to keep growing unchecked afterwards. So how, you might ask, do we do this?

Step One: Be Ourselves

After graduating from college in 1985, I began working as an Assistant Manager for the F.W. Woolworth Company in one of their 1200 stores in Columbus, Ohio. I was a 22 year old kid without a clue, turned assistant manager in a store with 150 employees. I knew not a gosh darned thing, and the employees treated me that way. After about a week, I discovered that the number two guy in the store had zero trouble getting people to work hard for him. I would ask for some action, and was immediately ridiculed. Jim would come by, say the exact same thing, and people would begin flying. That was when I realized that there was something to be learned about how to manage people, how to cause them to move according to a plan that a boss would present to them. I tried to model my behavior after Jim’s, and as you may have guessed, that ended in miserable failure. As it took me a few years to learn, mostly because I’m thick as a brick, I tried it a few more times over the early part of my career, with a few of the people that I admired. The reason it failed was that no matter how good my impersonations were, they weren’t genuine. They weren’t me, and the only person that I could be, and keep it genuine was myself. So, when our candidates campaign during the primaries and adopt positions that are nuanced so as to make themselves seem like the heir apparent to Ronald Reagan, when they come off as not being themselves, it shows, and it will have an effect come November. I have no problem with moderate Republicans, so long as they are honest about themselves. Mitt Romney would have been a great President, but during the primary debates, he stood on that debate stage along with 7 other candidates and claimed to be to the right of Barry Goldwater, along with everyone else. He was never that guy, and what’s more, he should have never claimed to be that guy. Pretending to be that guy made him have the appearance of being disingenuous when in fact nothing could have been further from the truth. I do not know if Mitt Romney would have won the GOP nomination had he not taken that path, my guess is that his organization would not have been defeated in any case. One thing is true though, the number of questions relating to non issues would have been less. In an election when our top issues were all about the economy and Benghazi, an entire debate moderated by Candy Crowely devoted entirely to Mitt Romney’s stance on abortion and Gay marriage would have been a debate where only about a quarter of the time was spent on those riveting subjects.

Step Two: Don’t Hide From What We Believe

When the subject of Mitt Romney’s wealth came up, I would have given anything to hear Mitt Romney say, “yes I am a wealthy individual. I am wealthy because of a business that I created, and that business did so well, that I was able to keep a small portion of the wealth that I created to live the lifestyle that I choose for myself. I also created wealth for many others, which is something that our wonderful economic system has allowed me to do. Not one penny of my wealth was taken from any person or persons who were coerced in any way to give me their money. Each and every penny that I earned, was paid by a person who paid it voluntarily. In every instance, those people believed that they received in value, something that they would have rather had than the money in their pockets. My wish for America, and for America’s future, is that many more Americans will be able to enjoy the fruits of the free market system that helped me to achieve the success that I have attained. There is no system in the world that has allowed as many, or as great a percentage of the ordinary man to achieve what we take for granted in our great nation today.” Running away from that message, appearing to be ashamed of his success, did not help Mitt Romney win any voters to our cause.

Mitt Romney is a wealthy man, and his success should have been a point in his favor, and not a liability. It was a liability because we, all of us, allowed the meme of a robber baron to be trumpeted from the summer of 2011 until the present day. That’s not the only example. I have heard several dozen iterations of what our immigration policy should be. Not one of those iterations has been based on what is right and what is wrong, but upon the perception of how any policy stance might impact specific demographic constituencies. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that getting immigrants to sign the guest book on the way into the country is not anti immigration. There is not an economist alive who will not tell you or anyone who listens for that matter, that open immigration is actually a very good thing for an economy, so long as they are not part of the entitlement program. That being said, we are a nation of laws, and we have a legal path to citizenship for any person on this planet to take part in, should they desire to become one of us. Allowing any group, be they Hispanic, Arabic, Asian, or from Mars, to circumvent that path and to violate our sovereign laws is a slap in the face to each and every person who legally followed that path. We are one of two nations on the entire planet to not have a single guarded border, Canada being the other. What we do have is an honor system for those gaining entrance into our sovereign territory that our laws will be respected. People who have moved here without signing the guest book on the way in have effectively told us that they have zero respect for our laws, and thereby us, as a people.

Equivocating on these beliefs, because we are afraid that voters will not agree, is tantamount to an admission that we are ashamed of our positions, and does much more harm electorally than actually being wrong.

Step Three: Don’t Change Our Positions In An Attempt To Placate One Specific Group

Flip flops are a part of politics. Holding one position until the pollsters let us know that we are alone in that particular conviction has been happening since the first annoying telephone call asking us if we wouldn’t mind taking a important survey to hear our valuable opinions took place. Telling different things to different groups depending on who we are speaking to at any particular moment in time has been the bread and butter of every politician running for office since that first uber creepy kiss to a baby’s cheek. What would be refreshing, and I believe noticed, would be an honest description of what one of these individuals actually believes. Bonus points will probably be awarded to any candidate with the guts to admit that any particular issue might not be the most pressing in their world of personal issues. For example, how great would it have been to hear Mitt Romney answer Candy Crowley with, “I guess I haven’t really considered Gay Marriage at all lately, what with a $16 Trillion debt, and plans on increasing that amount by over $1 Trillion annually for the foreseeable future. With that, the destruction of our free market system, the implementation of the most aggressively onerous regulatory environment ever conceived of in our two centuries old republic, and the disaster occurring in the Middle East, Gay Marriage ranks somewhere near the bottom of my list of important issues Candy, and my suspicion is that it’s near the bottom of America’s list as well.”

Equivocation is not our friend, it is something that is used as a bludgeon to beat us to death with during the 60 days that are used to sell ourselves to the voting public every four years. It makes us look apologetic for things that should make us proud. It makes us look weak on areas that should be our strengths. It makes us appear to be hiding from solutions that we should be embracing as a means to better the lives of all Americans.

Step Four: Embrace Who We Are And What We Believe

yes the political left has built a culture based on useless slogans and talking points. What they have learned is that regardless of what a candidate says to disparate groups, and no matter how much a Socialist equivocates, those slogans and talking points remain constant. We need to develop our own slogans, and talking points, and deliver them every bit as consistently as the political left. Ours will win, because they will be based on the truth. People have not gravitated to the slogans of the left because they chose that perception of truth over the truth, they have done so because our slogans have not existed.

Also, Conservative Politicians take note. you will be asked about these social issues until you give an answer that can be parsed into a 5 second sound byte that makes you look bad. Each and every iteration needs to be consistent and intelligently thought out. When Abortion comes up, you will be asked and asked over and over again, with hypothetical situations becoming more and more ridiculous until space aliens impregnating toddlers becomes the next reason to allow for Planned Parenthood to continue their all important work of reading the yellow pages to women who need mammograms. Please for the love of God prepare ahead of time for the coming array of gotcha questions. A possible example follows.

While the prospect of Martians raping a five year old child and impregnating her is a terrible thing, that does not change the fact that the resultant life form is innocent. I wish I had a perfect answer to this question, but sometimes there is no way to deal perfectly with a situation in which all possible outcomes are terrible in nature. My personal belief is that all innocent life is precious, and therefore should be preserved to the extent that we would be able to preserve it. If it were possible for me to have prevented that hypothetical five year old to have become hypothetically pregnant, I would have hypothetically done so. As it is, you have contrived your asinine question so that I would have to deal with outcomes that would all be terrible outcomes, so my belief is that the preservation of life would be more important than anything else in an otherwise no win scenario.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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  1. buzzsawmonkey
    1 | November 23, 2012 1:23 pm

    Step Three: Don’t Change Our Positions In An Attempt To Placate One Specific Group

    When my father was involved in local politics, he was very vocally against what he saw as the idiocy of “diversity.” He said, among other things, that “there is no black way or white way to see that the garbage is picked up”; that the mechanisms of government were there and were open to all, and that therefore there was no need to do “outreach” to “disenfranchised” people.

    He had no use for race hustlers. There was one in the community, a local would-be mini-Sharpton who was Jamaican-born, and who kept going on and on about what an evil, racist society this was. At one meeting, Dad looked at him and said, “My father saw his father cut down in the street by a Cossack sword, and decided that he no longer wanted to live in a country where that could happen—so he came here. If you find this society so terribly unjust, perhaps you should consider going elsewhere.”

    This did not, however, harm him in the community. When he learned that a black woman, also involved in local politics, with whom he’d had some disagreements as well as some agreements, was having difficulty getting child support from the husband she was then divorcing, he went strongly to bat for her. The husband was trying to chisel on child-support payments, saying that the state university was “good enough” for his children. Dad got everything he ever had through education, and found this intolerable; he insisted on speaking to the judge on behalf of the wife and kids, and was instrumental in ensuring that they received enough support to make it possible for the kids to go to schools where their unique talents could be best developed.

    There were a number of people who opposed/disagreed with him, through the years, on one issue or another, who were nonetheless loyal and vocal supporters of his; they said that they knew he would give them an honest and straightforward opinion, and they respected that even if they disagreed on specifics—enough so to vote for him despite disagreement.

    I still believe that he had the right idea.


  2. buzzsawmonkey
    2 | November 23, 2012 1:27 pm

    My reason for posting the above, aside from doing a little bragging about the old man, is to point out that it is, in fact, possible to engage in public service and be respected even by one’s opponents if one stays true to one’s self.


  3. eaglesoars
    3 | November 23, 2012 1:30 pm

    Also, Conservative Politicians take note. you will be asked about these social issues until you give an answer that can be parsed into a 5 second sound byte that makes you look bad.

    Yep. Look what just happened to Rubio. He gavea perfevtly reasonable answer but the media and the left are constructing it as the right being ‘anti-science’.

    One other thing we have to be aware of are the’boxes’ or ‘frames’ the left has pre-built for us and will ALWAYS try to fit us into. ‘Anti-science’ is one, ‘anti-woman’, racist, etc. We need to be agressive about repudiating and debunking those frames.

    Jeffrey Kuhner has a piece in today’s Washington Times that addresses much of the same thing.

    The long knives are out. Liberal and some neoconservative pundits are claiming that Republicans lost the 2012 presidential election for one basic reason: They have become the party of yesterday’s America. The GOP is supposedly too old, too white and too male. It allegedly appeals to a shrinking fragment of the electorate. The argument is that unless the GOP changes its appeal and policies, it is destined to shrivel into a regional, rump party — strong in the South and the prairies, weak everywhere else. Hence, liberal Democrats and establishment Republicans are urging the GOP to be more inclusive of single women, minorities, Hispanics and homosexuals.

    They want Republicans to become pro-homosexual, pro-amnesty, pro-environment and pro-choice. In short, the conventional wisdom can be distilled to one simple point: To win national elections again, the GOP must be transformed into a softer, more centrist version of the Democrats. Call it Democrat-lite.


  4. buzzsawmonkey
    4 | November 23, 2012 1:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    One other thing we have to be aware of are the’boxes’ or ‘frames’ the left has pre-built for us and will ALWAYS try to fit us into. ‘Anti-science’ is one, ‘anti-woman’, racist, etc. We need to be agressive about repudiating and debunking those frames.

    This is why I spend the time I do explaining the fundamental deceit of the gay lobby. A homosexual friend of mine, last week, expressed his astonishment and disgust at the fact that the mere opposition to same-sex marriage has been transposed and transmogrified into “hate” and “hate speech.” A political disagreement on a matter of public policy has been framed so that merely expressing an opposing view is supposedly beyond the pale—which makes it all but impossible to discuss any elements of how the measure being advocated for will actually work in practice.

    People must recognize this technique, understand it, and be armed with the information and resolve to stand against it.


  5. lobo91
    5 | November 23, 2012 1:45 pm

    I just got home from setting up my table for the gun show. On the way home, I saw a bumper sticker that said: “Tea Party” sounds so much better than “Mob of racist homophobes”

    This is what we’re dealing with from the left.


  6. eaglesoars
    6 | November 23, 2012 1:47 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    People must recognize this technique, understand it, and be armed with the information and resolve to stand against it.

    And don’t forget Godwin’s Law -- if you have to resort to ‘Hitler’ or ‘Nazi’, you’ve lost the argument. It was over-used and applied to obviously not-relevant circumstances. So, I think we should not just provoke the use of these harmful frames in order to make them impotent over time, but ridicule them when they come out. A perfect example is Debbie Washyerhair Schultz and her ‘white male’ cahracterization of the Republican side of the aisle (echoed by Joe Scarborough). They need to be called out on this for demeaning people based on their race and gender. Loudly and frequently.


  7. lobo91
    7 | November 23, 2012 1:50 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    A political disagreement on a matter of public policy has been framed so that merely expressing an opposing view is supposedly beyond the pale—which makes it all but impossible to discuss any elements of how the measure being advocated for will actually work in practice.

    They do that with everything, of course. If you don’t support a ban on “assault weapons,” then you “want children to be mowed down in the street.” If you don’t want taxpayers to fund abortions of full-term children, you “want women to die in back alleys.”

    The left’s position is always the “reasonable” or “centrist” one, and anyone who disagrees is some kind of fringe lunatic.


  8. buzzsawmonkey
    8 | November 23, 2012 1:54 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    A perfect example is Debbie Washyerhair Schultz and her ‘white male’ cahracterization of the Republican side of the aisle (echoed by Joe Scarborough). They need to be called out on this for demeaning people based on their race and gender. Loudly and frequently.

    I think that every time someone uses the “white male” thing, they should be asked just what the hell is wrong with being either white or male.

    There are lots of times one doesn’t have the opportunity, of course—because they tend to spout this shit from well-guarded vaults in places like MSNBC. But they should be called on it at every opportunity that presents itself.

    The “white male” thing reminds me of the “friend” who immediately became a former friend when he asked me, “Why were all those Jews killed by the Nazis? They must have done something” (“…to deserve it” left unspoken). After being given a brief capsule summary of Nazi racist ideology, he replied, “I heard it was just aimed at the rich Jews, but it got out of hand.” I asked him which made it acceptable to him, assuming he was correct—that they were Jews, or that they were “rich”? At what point does a program of genocide “get out of hand?”

    The metamorphosis of the term “white male” into an epithet as automatic as “dirty Jew” is well into development. It is time to stop it by challenging it at all times.


  9. lobo91
    9 | November 23, 2012 1:54 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Meanwhile, when people use what are clearly Nazi symbols, people defend them.

    During the course of some exchanges of comments on YouTube the other day about various videos posted by the IDF, there was one commenter who used an image of a WWII German uniform badge as his avatar. When I pointed out the irony of someone using a symbol like that while calling the IDF “Nazis,” I got a half-dozen people telling me that I didn’t know what I was talking about.


  10. brookly red
    10 | November 23, 2012 1:56 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I just got home from setting up my table for the gun show. On the way home, I saw a bumper sticker that said: “Tea Party” sounds so much better than “Mob of racist homophobes”

    This is what we’re dealing with from the left.

    particularly skillful the way they link racism and homophobia… of course the 7% of Blacks that didn’t vote for 0 stand behind pulpits on Sundays, and they are not going to be silent.


  11. 11 | November 23, 2012 1:58 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    aside from doing a little bragging about the old man

    Your father was a man well worthy of bragging about buzz.


  12. 12 | November 23, 2012 1:59 pm

    Oh…and I see this is where ya’ll sneaked off to leaving me to kill the previous thread…


  13. 13 | November 23, 2012 2:00 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    My reason for posting the above, aside from doing a little bragging about the old man, is to point out that it is, in fact, possible to engage in public service and be respected even by one’s opponents if one stays true to one’s self.

    unfortunately, this, I believe, will only be true in a society which values honest politicians. I’m not so sure that’s what we have now.


  14. buzzsawmonkey
    14 | November 23, 2012 2:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    particularly skillful the way they link racism and homophobia…

    The gay lobby has been trying to hermit-crab its way into the empty shell of the black civil rights movement for forty years.

    “Homophobia,” btw, is a completely bogus word. A “phobia” is a fear, not a hatred; it is a fake locution intended to say, “We’re not sick—you who oppose us are! You’re sick and insane!” In the meantime, the very concept of homosexual behavior being “sick” or a matter of “mental disease” is a byproduct of the invention of “homosexuality” as a pseudoscientific classification back in the 19th century, when the pseudoscience of psychoanalysis was getting started. Thus, “homophobia” is a locution created by the gay lobby to address a classification that was created by the invention of political homosexual identity in the first place.


  15. eaglesoars
    15 | November 23, 2012 2:02 pm

    Harold Meyerson in today’s WaPo

    That the ‘takers’ Want

    Indeed, many of these so-called takers have higher rates of workforce participation than “traditional” Americans. That is, to restate this without using the barely coded terminology of the right, Latinos and Asians have higher rates of labor-force participation than whites. While the level of labor-force participation for non-Hispanic whites was 64.6 percent, as measured by the Bureau of Labor Statistics from 2010 data, the level for Asians was 64.7 percent and for Latinos, 67.5 percent. So which group has more “takers” and which more workers?

    And as I understand the demographic cohorts, that is for one reason only: They are younger. There are more white retirees.

    But these industrious minorities believe that government can foster even more opportunity. A post-election American Values Survey, conducted for the Public Religion Research Institute, asked voters whether government should promote growth by spending more on education and infrastructure or should lower taxes on businesses and individuals. The groups that constitute the growing elements of the electorate all favored the spending option — 61 percent of Latinos favored it, 62 percent of blacks, 63 percent of voters under 30 and 64 percent of single women. White voters, however, preferred the lower-taxes option 52 percent to 42 percent.

    The poll is a straw-man argument poll. Most of the ‘growing’ elements of the electorate pay a much lower marginal rate so lowering their rates wouldn’t make any difference to them.

    On Election Day, California voters passed a tax-increase initiativeto arrest the decimation of the state’s schools and universities, with a voter breakdown very much like that in the American Values Survey. Ending decades of voter opposition to ballot measures that increased tax rates, Californians raised taxes on incomes above $250,000 and boosted the sales tax by a quarter-cent to provide more funding to K-12 schools and the state’s public colleges and universities. While white voters split evenly on the measure, 67 percent of voters under 30 backed it, 61 percent of Asians favored it and 53 percent of Latinos supported it.

    Count every living resident of California, including children, inmates, etc. Subtract everyone who works for a gov’t entity, be it at Federal, state or local level.

    Of the remainder, only 37% pay state taxes. All those people who voted for the tax hike were voting FOR THE OTHER GUY TO PAY FOR IT.

    Why am I citing this article? Because Meyerson is a self-avowed Socialist, capitol “S”

    What he wrote is the way he frames his world and unless you understand how he thinks, you will NEVER be able to refute him..


  16. buzzsawmonkey
    16 | November 23, 2012 2:03 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Your father was a man well worthy of bragging about buzz.

    Thank you. I think so, but of course I’m prejudiced—not that that means I’m wrong.

    I recount some of his stories here precisely because he was not a famous man, nor a prominent politician, but was able to make a genuine difference—some of the time—at the local level.


  17. eaglesoars
    17 | November 23, 2012 2:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I think that every time someone uses the “white male” thing, they should be asked just what the hell is wrong with being either white or male.

    I think it should be much stronger than that. Primarily because another insidious cultural threat I see is the near-complete devaluation of males and masculinity.

    The only time I’ve had the opportunity to confront the ‘white male’ calumny, I got in his face (a white male -- liberal) and told him I happened to be married to one and he might want to think long and hard before disparaging someone I love who he has never even met.

    To his credit, he was embarrassed.


  18. lobo91
    18 | November 23, 2012 2:13 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    All those people who voted for the tax hike were voting FOR THE OTHER GUY TO PAY FOR IT.

    What they were really doing was voting to take the other guy’s property, when you come down to it.

    There is no way that voters should be allowed to decide something like that. It’s nothing more than mob rule. If the state legislature and the governor decide to raise taxes on some group, you can always vote them out of office. You don’t have the option to vote your neighbors out, though.


  19. eaglesoars
    19 | November 23, 2012 2:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s nothing more than mob rule. If the state legislature and the governor decide to raise taxes on some group, you can always vote them out of office. You don’t have the option to vote your neighbors out, though.

    Excellent point


  20. 20 | November 23, 2012 2:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    You don’t have the option to vote your neighbors out, though.

    Try telling that to the generation raised on Reality TV. Watch them try to vote you off the island… :shock:


  21. brookly red
    21 | November 23, 2012 2:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    All those people who voted for the tax hike were voting FOR THE OTHER GUY TO PAY FOR IT.

    What they were really doing was voting to take the other guy’s property, when you come down to it.

    There is no way that voters should be allowed to decide something like that. It’s nothing more than mob rule. If the state legislature and the governor decide to raise taxes on some group, you can always vote them out of office. You don’t have the option to vote your neighbors out, though.

    as Franklin said: When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.


  22. 22 | November 23, 2012 2:21 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yep. Look what just happened to Rubio. He gavea perfevtly reasonable answer but the media and the left are constructing it as the right being ‘anti-science’.

    Rubio was also attacked by other Republicans.


  23. lobo91
    23 | November 23, 2012 2:21 pm

    Well, Leia and I are off the the gun show.

    Back in a few hours.


  24. brookly red
    24 | November 23, 2012 2:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    particularly skillful the way they link racism and homophobia…

    The gay lobby has been trying to hermit-crab its way into the empty shell of the black civil rights movement for forty years.

    “Homophobia,” btw, is a completely bogus word. A “phobia” is a fear, not a hatred; it is a fake locution intended to say, “We’re not sick—you who oppose us are! You’re sick and insane!” In the meantime, the very concept of homosexual behavior being “sick” or a matter of “mental disease” is a byproduct of the invention of “homosexuality” as a pseudoscientific classification back in the 19th century, when the pseudoscience of psychoanalysis was getting started. Thus, “homophobia” is a locution created by the gay lobby to address a classification that was created by the invention of political homosexual identity in the first place.

    and while I am quoting Franklin: Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.


  25. brookly red
    25 | November 23, 2012 2:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yep. Look what just happened to Rubio. He gavea perfevtly reasonable answer but the media and the left are constructing it as the right being ‘anti-science’.

    Rubio was also attacked by other Republicans.

    kick the spic?


  26. eaglesoars
    26 | November 23, 2012 2:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Rubio was also attacked by other Republicans.

    Yes but not for the substanceof what he said, but for saying it in a way the left could use to haul out the anti-science hammer.

    And they really need to stop that BS. They’re playing the roll of useful idiots.


  27. eaglesoars
    27 | November 23, 2012 2:26 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    They’re playing the roll role of useful idiots.

    yes, English IS my first language. (hell I don’t HAVE a second…)


  28. brookly red
    28 | November 23, 2012 2:27 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    Rubio was also attacked by other Republicans.

    Yes but not for the substanceof what he said, but for saying it in a way the left could use to haul out the anti-science hammer.

    And they really need to stop that BS. They’re playing the roll of useful idiots.

    yeah, now comes purge, anyone who remotely seems to be a threat will be attacked.


  29. 29 | November 23, 2012 2:29 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    They looked for a pretext to go after Rubio. The Republican establishment wants Jeb in 2016 and will destroy anyone in their way.


  30. brookly red
    30 | November 23, 2012 2:29 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    And they really need to stop that BS. They’re playing the roll of useful idiots.

    well in a way that is correct, they are serving up a BS sandwhich


  31. 31 | November 23, 2012 2:30 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Kick someone who is a threat to their chosen one, Jeb! See my link in 29.


  32. buzzsawmonkey
    32 | November 23, 2012 2:32 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    the left could use to haul out the anti-science hammer.

    It would be smart for conservatives to plan a major campaign to address the “anti-science” lie.

    It is a lie that needs to be attacked on at least three counts:

    1) Both the Communists and the Nazis claimed to be acting according to “scientific” principles when they killed millions. Eugenics, too, claimed to be “science.”

    2) “Science” is not a matter of morals; “science” is not always factually correct. Science is a process, not a matter of beliefs.

    3) The Left is not the advocate of “science,” as it falsely styles itself; it is the advocate of pseudoscience. “Global warming/climate change” is pseudoscience; Gaia-worship is pseudoscience; anti-fracking, anti-genetic-modification of food, is pseudoscience; most psychology is pseudoscience; most “alternative medicine” is pseudoscience; the “homosexuality/transgender” construct is pseudoscience. Most of these things are far more believed in by the Left than by conservatives.

    A major “science initiative” by conservatives needs to address these three things, separately and together.


  33. brookly red
    33 | November 23, 2012 2:33 pm

    yes I see your 29 and refer you to my 28… we are on the same page. It’s a shame because Rubio is so much more electable than yet another Bush.


  34. 34 | November 23, 2012 2:36 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    ah, that is the entire point of The Forgotten Man now, isn’t it?

    Population A (elitist know it alls) get together and lament the plight of population B(the poor). Then, the A’s and the B’s get together and vote a tax hike on population C (the rest of us). so, C never even gets a chance to participate in the decision as to what to do with their own money.


  35. brookly red
    35 | November 23, 2012 2:36 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    the left could use to haul out the anti-science hammer.

    It would be smart for conservatives to plan a major campaign to address the “anti-science” lie.

    It is a lie that needs to be attacked on at least three counts:

    1) Both the Communists and the Nazis claimed to be acting according to “scientific” principles when they killed millions. Eugenics, too, claimed to be “science.”

    2) “Science” is not a matter of morals; “science” is not always factually correct. Science is a process, not a matter of beliefs.

    3) The Left is not the advocate of “science,” as it falsely styles itself; it is the advocate of pseudoscience. “Global warming/climate change” is pseudoscience; Gaia-worship is pseudoscience; anti-fracking, anti-genetic-modification of food, is pseudoscience; most psychology is pseudoscience; most “alternative medicine” is pseudoscience; the “homosexuality/transgender” construct is pseudoscience. Most of these things are far more believed in by the Left than by conservatives.

    A major “science initiative” by conservatives needs to address these three things, separately and together.

    yeah but then you get people yelling :there is no god but Gaia and Algore is her prophet!” before blowing themselves up on the crosstown bus.


  36. brookly red
    36 | November 23, 2012 2:39 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    ah, that is the entire point of The Forgotten Man now, isn’t it?

    Population A (elitist know it alls) get together and lament the plight of population B(the poor). Then, the A’s and the B’s get together and vote a tax hike on population C (the rest of us). so, C never even gets a chance to participate in the decision as to what to do with their own money.

    Again I must quote Franklin: Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.


  37. buzzsawmonkey
    37 | November 23, 2012 2:39 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    yeah but then you get people yelling :there is no god but Gaia and Algore is her prophet!” before blowing themselves up on the crosstown bus.

    a) You get rid of some Gaia worshippers that way, and they turn public opinion against themselves. Win/win.

    b) And it couldn’t possibly make the crosstown bus service any worse than it already is.


  38. 38 | November 23, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ brookly red:

    It doesn’t matter to people like Rove or Nicole wallace. It’s about power for them and they are happy with their little fiefdoms.


  39. 39 | November 23, 2012 2:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    All those people who voted for the tax hike were voting FOR THE OTHER GUY TO PAY FOR IT.

    What they were really doing was voting to take the other guy’s property, when you come down to it.

    There is no way that voters should be allowed to decide something like that. It’s nothing more than mob rule. If the state legislature and the governor decide to raise taxes on some group, you can always vote them out of office. You don’t have the option to vote your neighbors out, though.

    you’re absolutely right -- it’s mob rule to take from others. it’s why the democrats are always pushing to eliminate every bit of representative government and replaced it with direct democracy. they actually think they can control the mob. if they achieve their goals, then a day may come where you CAN vote your neighbors out -- returning us to a form of segregation.


  40. brookly red
    40 | November 23, 2012 2:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    yeah but then you get people yelling :there is no god but Gaia and Algore is her prophet!” before blowing themselves up on the crosstown bus.

    a) You get rid of some Gaia worshippers that way, and they turn public opinion against themselves. Win/win.

    b) And it couldn’t possibly make the crosstown bus service any worse than it already is.

    if that were true why is there a Gaza?


  41. 41 | November 23, 2012 2:42 pm

    @ Kirly:

    The Progressive ideology is based off Plato’s the Republic. Plato envisioned a class of Philosophers dictating how society lives.


  42. buzzsawmonkey
    42 | November 23, 2012 2:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    if that were true why is there a Gaza?

    I don’t understand your question.


  43. 43 | November 23, 2012 2:45 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Again I must quote Franklin: Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

    exactly!


  44. brookly red
    44 | November 23, 2012 2:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    The Progressive ideology is based off Plato’s the Republic. Plato envisioned a class of Philosophers dictating how society lives.

    well how do I say this politically correctly? 1. In Plato’s time they didn’t have entitlements but the did have slaves. 2. Where are they today?


  45. buzzsawmonkey
    45 | November 23, 2012 2:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Progressive ideology is based off Plato’s the Republic. Plato envisioned a class of Philosophers dictating how society lives.

    Actually, what we have now is Play-Dough’s Republic, where the elites think they can mold us into any shape that pleases them.


  46. brookly red
    46 | November 23, 2012 2:47 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    if that were true why is there a Gaza?

    I don’t understand your question.

    killing innocents does not turn public opinion against you (in liberal world) and yes it can get worse.


  47. eaglesoars
    47 | November 23, 2012 2:49 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Gaia-worship is pseudoscience; anti-fracking, anti-genetic-modification of food, is pseudoscience

    These are 3 issues I deal with almost daily. The Gaia-worship is easily destroyed using the ELF terrorist attacks and tapes like the one I’ve heard of this woman wailing “TREES, WE LOVE YOU, WE DON’T WANT YOU TO DIEEEEEEE!!” Paint all of them as radical.

    The genetic food modification issue is going to be a harder nut to crack. I champion it because I know what Norman Borlaug did and we could always use him as a paragon. The problem is w/ the big EEVILL corporations like Monsanto. And it IS a problem. They create plant strains that are vulnerable to Monsanto pesticides (e.g., Roundup) and they next thing
    you know the plants evolve, become resistant, and yields crash.

    Fracking may be a moot point. The EPA draft position paper comes out soon vis a vis water contamination -- final is due sometime in 2014. However, one thing I haven’t seen -- and would expect to if there really were a problem. Has anyone sued one of these energy companies for contaminating their water? No? Hmmmmmm


  48. brookly red
    48 | November 23, 2012 2:50 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    The Progressive ideology is based off Plato’s the Republic. Plato envisioned a class of Philosophers dictating how society lives.

    Actually, what we have now is Play-Dough’s Republic, where the elites think they can mold us into any shape that pleases them.

    methinks they are molding us into a broom.


  49. 49 | November 23, 2012 2:50 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yup.


  50. buzzsawmonkey
    50 | November 23, 2012 2:50 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    killing innocents does not turn public opinion against you (in liberal world) and yes it can get worse.

    There is a Gaza because the suicide bombers do not bomb their neighbors; they bomb other people whom their neighbors do not consider “innocent.” The Gazans are supported in this because many other people far from the conflict have been convinced that the suicide bombers’ targets are not “innocent.”

    If Gaia-worshippers started blowing themselves up on the crosstown bus, amidst other Gaia-worshippers or Gaia-worship sympathizers, those worshippers or sympathizers would start to change their minds about the ones blowing themselves up.


  51. 51 | November 23, 2012 2:51 pm

    @ brookly red:

    The Progressive don’t care.


  52. eaglesoars
    52 | November 23, 2012 2:54 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    In Plato’s time they didn’t have entitlements

    Well, they certainly had entitled CLASSES.

    In our terms, Plato would be considered a fascist


  53. buzzsawmonkey
    53 | November 23, 2012 2:54 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Fracking may be a moot point. The EPA draft position paper comes out soon vis a vis water contamination — final is due sometime in 2014. However, one thing I haven’t seen — and would expect to if there really were a problem. Has anyone sued one of these energy companies for contaminating their water? No? Hmmmmmm

    There are anti-fracking billboards up on bus shelters all over New York, fearmongering to try and get public opinion to prevent fracking here.

    I read somewhere, recently, that the anti-fracking campaigns are being paid for in part by—guess who?—Saudi Arabia! Gee, wonder why. ////

    I have no faith, at this point, in any EPA report or position paper. In this most politicized of Administrations, there is every reason to expect such a report to be slanted against anything that increases domestic energy production, whether on public or private land, and to be slanted furthermore to give the EPA a death grip on any efforts to expand it.


  54. brookly red
    54 | November 23, 2012 2:56 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Actually, what we have now is Play-Dough’s Republic, where the elites think they can mold us into any shape that pleases them.

    I say let give them what they ask for, they say class warfare? I say eat the rich. All of them.

    with fava beans of course. :)


  55. Lily
    55 | November 23, 2012 2:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I just got home from setting up my table for the gun show. On the way home, I saw a bumper sticker that said: “Tea Party” sounds so much better than “Mob of racist homophobes”

    This is what we’re dealing with from the left.

    Yes they are terribly mis-informed and terribly ignorant especially with the media pushing the agenda for the left. We can look at every reason in the world why Romney didn’t win and there isn’t *one* real reason why. We can point fingers and all of that …but if the media is so far left no matter what you do you aren’t going to get the message out. They are going to twist that message into a pretzel and frame it in to something totally different and when people actually believe this message you have a problem. And apparently more than 1/2 Americans believed Romney ran a very negative campaign ..never mind it was obama who ran a the most negative campaign. These people refuse to see the truth and will understand in a year or two that obamacare is a pox on this nation…but be prepared they just might blame everyone else but the people responsible.


  56. brookly red
    56 | November 23, 2012 3:02 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    since when did the EPA replace congress? (yeah well it sounded good on paper)


  57. brookly red
    57 | November 23, 2012 3:04 pm

    Lily wrote:

    but be prepared they just might blame everyone else but the people responsible.

    Might?


  58. Guggi
    58 | November 23, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ineptocracy Definitions-T-Shirt

    :-)


  59. eaglesoars
    59 | November 23, 2012 3:05 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I have no faith, at this point, in any EPA report or position paper

    EPA stands for Eco-Fascist Protection Agency.

    One of the newspapers noted the 3 people heading up the team that will publish the report. There were 3 or 4. All of them are ideologically compromised. One actually submitted a fraudulent analysis of a site in Wyoming.


  60. Lily
    60 | November 23, 2012 3:06 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They do that with everything, of course. If you don’t support a ban on “assault weapons,” then you “want children to be mowed down in the street.” If you don’t want taxpayers to fund abortions of full-term children, you “want women to die in back alleys.”

    The left’s position is always the “reasonable” or “centrist” one, and anyone who disagrees is some kind of fringe lunatic.

    Excatly they thought obama was centrist!! OMG! Really how they could even believe this is unbelievable not to mention this fake *war on women*. There was never a war on women. The media has brain washed a lot of people. People even went against the tenets of their own religions to vote for obama who has certainly waged a war on Christians and their belief system. So they even got people to go against their supposedly *core belief* system. To right this ship is going to be difficult to do…or maybe and just maybe people may just wake up and realize they were horribly lied too. The latter is wishful thinking I must admit. They refuse to believe the things that obama has done wrong.


  61. buzzsawmonkey
    61 | November 23, 2012 3:06 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    The genetic food modification issue is going to be a harder nut to crack. I champion it because I know what Norman Borlaug did and we could always use him as a paragon. The problem is w/ the big EEVILL corporations like Monsanto. And it IS a problem. They create plant strains that are vulnerable to Monsanto pesticides (e.g., Roundup) and they next thing
    you know the plants evolve, become resistant, and yields crash.

    The problem of making things corporate-proprietary is a serious one; it exists in the realm of information and culture, too. The gateways on the Internet, like Google, want to digitize all images and books because they want to control them as proprietary information; they are opposed to copyright protection because it permits individuals to retain title and control of their works, and because copyright is finite, but a gateway control is forever.

    The same thing is true where seeds/pesticides etc. are concerned—but that gateway issue is a separate issue from the supposed dangers of weird diseases and mutations that we will be subjected to from genetically engineered foods. The weird disease stuff is panic-mongering; it’s the gateway issue that’s the problem.


  62. eaglesoars
    62 | November 23, 2012 3:07 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Ineptocracy Definitions-T-Shirt

    Unfortunately, the people who really need to read that will find it has too many big, unfamiliar words.


  63. brookly red
    63 | November 23, 2012 3:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    he same thing is true where seeds/pesticides etc. are concerned—but that gateway issue is a separate issue from the supposed dangers of weird diseases and mutations that we will be subjected to from genetically engineered foods.tuff The weird disease sis panic-mongering; it’s the gateway issue that’s the problem.

    you know there might be something to that stuff… the more weird chemicals we put in our food the more liberals we get.


  64. Lily
    64 | November 23, 2012 3:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Meanwhile, when people use what are clearly Nazi symbols, people defend them.

    During the course of some exchanges of comments on YouTube the other day about various videos posted by the IDF, there was one commenter who used an image of a WWII German uniform badge as his avatar. When I pointed out the irony of someone using a symbol like that while calling the IDF “Nazis,” I got a half-dozen people telling me that I didn’t know what I was talking about.

    How in the hell does a person compare the IDF with Nazi’s is unreal. For one they are sorely ignorant concerning the Nazi’s who were truly vile…the Jewish people can’t defend themselves without extreme propaganda on the media’s part. These type of people are either ignorant of history or they refuse to believe the history of what happened in WWII. Because it is so unbelievable the carnage that went on they refuse to believe it. The same can be said of 9/11 truthers..what happened was so unreal …yet it happened they resort to a mindset that they can actually believe instead of the real facts. Even when these real facts are happening in real time and they are watching what is happening..so they have to rationalize it somehow. I don’t know how you reach this type of mindset.


  65. Lily
    65 | November 23, 2012 3:13 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Oh…and I see this is where ya’ll sneaked off to leaving me to kill the previous thread…

    I swear I wasn’t there so I had nothing, nothing to do with the killing of a thread..for once. 8-)


  66. 66 | November 23, 2012 3:13 pm

    @ Lily:
    or, worse than ignorance or an inability to accept the truth of what was done in WWII, they believe it and want more of it.


  67. eaglesoars
    67 | November 23, 2012 3:15 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    it’s the gateway issue that’s the problem.

    No kidding. What Monsanto manages to do to farmers and agriculture w/ their proprietary seed contracts is infuriating.


  68. brookly red
    68 | November 23, 2012 3:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    Oh…and I see this is where ya’ll sneaked off to leaving me to kill the previous thread…

    I swear I wasn’t there so I had nothing, nothing to do with the killing of a thread..for once.

    you left and it died… coincidence?


  69. Lily
    69 | November 23, 2012 3:17 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    particularly skillful the way they link racism and homophobia…

    The gay lobby has been trying to hermit-crab its way into the empty shell of the black civil rights movement for forty years.

    “Homophobia,” btw, is a completely bogus word. A “phobia” is a fear, not a hatred; it is a fake locution intended to say, “We’re not sick—you who oppose us are! You’re sick and insane!” In the meantime, the very concept of homosexual behavior being “sick” or a matter of “mental disease” is a byproduct of the invention of “homosexuality” as a pseudoscientific classification back in the 19th century, when the pseudoscience of psychoanalysis was getting started. Thus, “homophobia” is a locution created by the gay lobby to address a classification that was created by the invention of political homosexual identity in the first place.

    No kidding..I have been on the receiving end of this …I made the mistake of saying the government should not force Churches to go against our freedom of religion and forcing Churches to go against their tenets and the a civil union is just as good ….I was called a bigot, h8ter and a racist by people who knew damn well I wasn’t and these are heterosexuals.


  70. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | November 23, 2012 3:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    you know there might be something to that stuff… the more weird chemicals we put in our food the more liberals we get.

    Correlation is not causation.


  71. buzzsawmonkey
    71 | November 23, 2012 3:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    No kidding..I have been on the receiving end of this …I made the mistake of saying the government should not force Churches to go against our freedom of religion and forcing Churches to go against their tenets and the a civil union is just as good ….I was called a bigot, h8ter and a racist by people who knew damn well I wasn’t and these are heterosexuals.

    The only way to counteract that—and even then it often doesn’t work—is not to deny you’re “a hater and a racist,” because then you are ceding the terms of the discussion to people who are using these boilerplate terms to avoid thinking.

    Instead, you have to force them to think, by asking them to explain what they think is “hateful” or “racist.” Once they step outside of the buzzword bubble and have to actually deal with facts, you’ve got ‘em—if you’ve got your own replies prepared.


  72. Lily
    72 | November 23, 2012 3:25 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    You don’t have the option to vote your neighbors out, though.

    Try telling that to the generation raised on Reality TV. Watch them try to vote you off the island…

    I don’t know if it is totally reality TV is the problem or not …but the rot in our culture and be atributed to many reasons…they include the gamet…books, TV, Movies, Schools and the decline in two parent families because divorce now days is so okay..and you have kids who have parents who have been through multiple partners. The decay in society is everywhere. When it’s okay to teach elementary students about having two mommies or two daddies or about sex in general when it is horribly wrong to even be teaching these young children concerning all that crap.


  73. brookly red
    73 | November 23, 2012 3:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    you know there might be something to that stuff… the more weird chemicals we put in our food the more liberals we get.

    Correlation is not causation.

    I present to you exhibit A: a mixture of Cheetos and Mountain Dew have been proven to cause brain damage and socially suicidal actions in clinical studies…


  74. 74 | November 23, 2012 3:27 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    yeah but then you get people yelling :there is no god but Gaia and Algore is her prophet!”

    Indeed….


  75. eaglesoars
    75 | November 23, 2012 3:28 pm

    gotta run errands -- later peeps


  76. Lily
    76 | November 23, 2012 3:28 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    They’re playing the roll role of useful idiots.

    yes, English IS my first language. (hell I don’t HAVE a second…)

    It’s your keyboard dear…it happens to me so often and I certainly don’t need any help with making myself look dumb.
    /keyboards are communists!!! That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. 8-)


  77. brookly red
    77 | November 23, 2012 3:30 pm

    Macker wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    yeah but then you get people yelling :there is no god but Gaia and Algore is her prophet!”

    Indeed….

    ironic that he really is the evil capitalist they fear…


  78. brookly red
    78 | November 23, 2012 3:31 pm

    Lily wrote:

    /keyboards are communists!!! That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    and they are made by the same people that make our voting machines…


  79. Lily
    79 | November 23, 2012 3:36 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    but be prepared they just might blame everyone else but the people responsible.

    Might?

    Well that was redundant comment. Of course they are going to blame all the wrong people.


  80. Lily
    80 | November 23, 2012 3:41 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ Lily:
    or, worse than ignorance or an inability to accept the truth of what was done in WWII, they believe it and want more of it.

    That is a much, much worse thought and it very well may be true. They want another WWII or worse. I hadn’t even thought of it that way. But you are right there are a lot of people especially among the earth worshippers who think that a lot of people need to die so the earth can heal itself. Dear heavens how people can think this is beyond my thinking but indeed they do believe this.


  81. Lily
    81 | November 23, 2012 3:42 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    Oh…and I see this is where ya’ll sneaked off to leaving me to kill the previous thread…

    I swear I wasn’t there so I had nothing, nothing to do with the killing of a thread..for once.

    you left and it died… coincidence?

    8-) I was never there. So I had nothing, nothing to do with it. ;)
    /this time I have a alibi! ;)


  82. brookly red
    82 | November 23, 2012 3:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    but be prepared they just might blame everyone else but the people responsible.

    Might?

    Well that was redundant comment. Of course they are going to blame all the wrong people.

    and like the Greeks they will riot in the streets and demand more… but I don’t worry, the takers have outlived their usefulness. They have empowered their masters. Too bad they can’t feed them. That will be left up to you and I. FEMA camps are real, but they are not for the productive. Somebody has to feed the masters.


  83. 83 | November 23, 2012 3:47 pm

    @ brookly red:

    And remember folks…Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!


  84. Lily
    84 | November 23, 2012 3:49 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    No kidding..I have been on the receiving end of this …I made the mistake of saying the government should not force Churches to go against our freedom of religion and forcing Churches to go against their tenets and the a civil union is just as good ….I was called a bigot, h8ter and a racist by people who knew damn well I wasn’t and these are heterosexuals.

    The only way to counteract that—and even then it often doesn’t work—is not to deny you’re “a hater and a racist,” because then you are ceding the terms of the discussion to people who are using these boilerplate terms to avoid thinking.

    Instead, you have to force them to think, by asking them to explain what they think is “hateful” or “racist.” Once they step outside of the buzzword bubble and have to actually deal with facts, you’ve got ‘em—if you’ve got your own replies prepared.

    I did and they didn’t work. Dense …like beating my head against a brick wall..they couldn’t or wouldn’t see that this issue can be a problem and excatly how far down the rabbit hole will this go once you start down this path. These were young adults in their mid to late twenties and the most strangest thing of all this sub-group are the first to make fun of these people!!! Or they know someone who is in this group instead of asking these people what they think they take up the banner for them and fight for something these people don’t even want or they ridicule them for their lifesytles…but both types defend this lifestyle and if you disagree not so much on the liestyle but the forcing of Churches to go against their tenets ..they resort to name-calling. Once they are there you cannot reason with them.


  85. brookly red
    85 | November 23, 2012 3:51 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    And remember folks…Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

    WTF! I haven’t even finished my holiday shopping yet! I gotta take a day off to load those turds into freight cars again? awww man they are too busy talking on their 0 phones to even listen to the PA announcements…


  86. Guggi
    86 | November 23, 2012 3:51 pm

    Hopes Fade for Quick Deal on European Union Budget

    Anything you can do I can do better

    :-)


  87. 87 | November 23, 2012 3:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Kirly wrote:

    @ Lily:
    or, worse than ignorance or an inability to accept the truth of what was done in WWII, they believe it and want more of it.

    That is a much, much worse thought and it very well may be true. They want another WWII or worse. I hadn’t even thought of it that way. But you are right there are a lot of people especially among the earth worshippers who think that a lot of people need to die so the earth can heal itself. Dear heavens how people can think this is beyond my thinking but indeed they do believe this.

    actually, i meant quite literally, they hate The Jews and want to see more death and destruction among them.


  88. Lily
    88 | November 23, 2012 3:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    /keyboards are communists!!! That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    and they are made by the same people that make our voting machines…

    Scary thought and indeed this must be addressed. Even 1% of voter fraud is wrong and we really need to address this but I don’t see Congress or anyone in D.C. doing anything about it.


  89. Lily
    89 | November 23, 2012 3:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    but be prepared they just might blame everyone else but the people responsible.

    Might?

    Well that was redundant comment. Of course they are going to blame all the wrong people.

    and like the Greeks they will riot in the streets and demand more… but I don’t worry, the takers have outlived their usefulness. They have empowered their masters. Too bad they can’t feed them. That will be left up to you and I. FEMA camps are real, but they are not for the productive. Somebody has to feed the masters.

    The strange thing in this election is even the productive voted for obama…never mind these people haven’t received a raise in 4 years..obama cares more. Good heavens obama has proven he doesn’t care about Americans over and over again.


  90. 90 | November 23, 2012 3:57 pm

    BWAHAHAHAHAH….. Lock your women, children and wimpy men folks up… I am bringing the pain in a serious way…

    (Yea, admins please consider this as guest post material)

    Doriangrey’s Seven alarm Salsa, or when wimpy Salsa just isn’t an option.


  91. 91 | November 23, 2012 3:58 pm

    Lily wrote:

    The strange thing in this election is even the productive voted for obama…never mind these people haven’t received a raise in 4 years..obama cares more. Good heavens obama has proven he doesn’t care about Americans over and over again.

    indeed. even in the defense industry, people voted for obama. i don’t even care if anyone here says i’m a racist but the minorities where i work voted for obama and i certainly hope they are the first to get their 60 day notices. of course, after 50 years of intimidation tactics against employers, they won’t be first.


  92. Lily
    92 | November 23, 2012 3:58 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Kirly wrote:

    @ Lily:
    or, worse than ignorance or an inability to accept the truth of what was done in WWII, they believe it and want more of it.

    That is a much, much worse thought and it very well may be true. They want another WWII or worse. I hadn’t even thought of it that way. But you are right there are a lot of people especially among the earth worshippers who think that a lot of people need to die so the earth can heal itself. Dear heavens how people can think this is beyond my thinking but indeed they do believe this.

    actually, i meant quite literally, they hate The Jews and want to see more death and destruction among them.

    Combine those people who want to see Israel gone and combine the earth worshippers and you have a major lot of people who want to see a lot of people die.


  93. 93 | November 23, 2012 4:00 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    BWAHAHAHAHAH….. Lock your women, children and wimpy men folks up… I am bringing the pain in a serious way…

    (Yea, admins please consider this as guest post material)

    Doriangrey’s Seven alarm Salsa, or when wimpy Salsa just isn’t an option.

    sounds great. except for the habanero peppers -- i won’t touch ‘em. skeered i’ll burn my lips clean off!


  94. 94 | November 23, 2012 4:01 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Combine those people who want to see Israel gone and combine the earth worshippers and you have a major lot of people who want to see a lot of people die.

    sick, isn’t it?? and amazing in it’s ruthlessness and bloodthirstiness.


  95. Lily
    95 | November 23, 2012 4:02 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    The strange thing in this election is even the productive voted for obama…never mind these people haven’t received a raise in 4 years..obama cares more. Good heavens obama has proven he doesn’t care about Americans over and over again.

    indeed. even in the defense industry, people voted for obama. i don’t even care if anyone here says i’m a racist but the minorities where i work voted for obama and i certainly hope they are the first to get their 60 day notices. of course, after 50 years of intimidation tactics against employers, they won’t be first.

    Even in the defense industry that obama said over and over again he is going to cut in half..they voted for this fool we have as a president and they actually voted to be unemployed. How are they going to feel about obama then? That he cares about them? And unfortunatly you right. You aren’t racist for pointing the most obvious out.


  96. buzzsawmonkey
    96 | November 23, 2012 4:04 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    ignorance or an inability to accept the truth of what was done in WWII

    Let’s leave aside, for the moment, what was done in WWII. Too many people do not realize this: Israel did not just magically come into existence following WWII. It was not a matter of the victorious Allies simply dropping a bunch of ex-camp refugees into the middle of British Mandate Palestine.

    There was a Jewish presence in what is now the State of Israel even following the disastrous Second Revolt against the Romans. Even when Jews were forbidden under Roman law from entering Jerusalem under pain of death, through the fall of the Roman Empire, through the Byzantine Empire, through the Caliphate, the Crusader Kingdom, and the Ottomans, there were Jews in the land. The earliest modern population records for Jerusalem under the Ottomans, back in the early-mid 19th century, before the beginning of the late-19th-century Zionist efforts, show Jerusalem as a city with a majority-Jewish population (the only time this was not true was during the 19 years of Jordanian occupation following the 1948 war).

    The building of the modern State of Israel began, not in 1948, but in 1882—even before Theodore Herzl began what is thought of as the Zionist movement. This emigration, and the building of the modern state, took off when Herzl started his efforts just before the turn of the century, but there were already efforts underway.
    I mention this because far too few people—even people who are pro-Israel—are aware of how far back the effort to build Israel goes.


  97. 97 | November 23, 2012 4:04 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    so, do you leave the seeds in or remove them? i find that if i’m in a hurry, just leave the seeds in -- you can get done faster since you need less peppers.


  98. Lily
    98 | November 23, 2012 4:05 pm

    @ Kirly:

    The person I was talking about works for the Science community and never connected the fact he hasn’t gotten a raise is because obama has cut sceince funding in half and is wasting money by throwing it into the green industry..they actually defended this by pointing out someone must lead the way so the rest of the world would follow..I then said but to do away with oil leases and the coal industry before their is another industry is in place is insane. They refused to believe that obama is cutting oil leases and shutting down the coal refineries. I don’t know how you crack this bubble of willful ignorance.


  99. brookly red
    99 | November 23, 2012 4:06 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    BWAHAHAHAHAH….. Lock your women, children and wimpy men folks up… I am bringing the pain in a serious way…

    (Yea, admins please consider this as guest post material)

    Doriangrey’s Seven alarm Salsa, or when wimpy Salsa just isn’t an option.

    /salsa? that what Koreans call baby food…


  100. Lily
    100 | November 23, 2012 4:07 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Combine those people who want to see Israel gone and combine the earth worshippers and you have a major lot of people who want to see a lot of people die.

    sick, isn’t it?? and amazing in it’s ruthlessness and bloodthirstiness.

    Sick indeed..I would even go as far as to say it’s evil.


  101. 101 | November 23, 2012 4:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The building of the modern State of Israel began, not in 1948, but in 1882—even before Theodore Herzl began what is thought of as the Zionist movement. This emigration, and the building of the modern state, took off when Herzl started his efforts just before the turn of the century, but there were already efforts underway.
    I mention this because far too few people—even people who are pro-Israel—are aware of how far back the effort to build Israel goes.

    true. far too are aware of the facts. i knew about this. for unknown reasons, i’ve always had an interest.


  102. 102 | November 23, 2012 4:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    The person I was talking about works for the Science community and never connected the fact he hasn’t gotten a raise is because obama has cut sceince funding in half and is wasting money by throwing it into the green industry..they actually defended this by pointing out someone must lead the way so the rest of the world would follow..I then said but to do away with oil leases and the coal industry before their is another industry is in place is insane. They refused to believe that obama is cutting oil leases and shutting down the coal refineries. I don’t know how you crack this bubble of willful ignorance.

    so they fail to understand you can’t lead from behind then?


  103. 103 | November 23, 2012 4:13 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Sick indeed..I would even go as far as to say it’s evil.

    of course it’s evil! it’s a direct fight against God Himself! Genesis 12:3


  104. Lily
    104 | November 23, 2012 4:16 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Indeed they fail to see the truth. They thought the Republicans ran a very negative campaign and were truly ignorant concerning Benghazi and Fast and Furious ….again these were Republican propaganda as far as they were concerned. Like I said to understand why obama got re-elected the answers are not from within but with out ..and all you have to do is ask them why they voted for obama …it runs the gamet and refuse to see the truth.
    As pointed in the article we have the truth on our side and hopefully it will be the truth that actually destroys this obama worship.


  105. 105 | November 23, 2012 4:16 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    BWAHAHAHAHAH….. Lock your women, children and wimpy men folks up… I am bringing the pain in a serious way…
    (Yea, admins please consider this as guest post material)
    Doriangrey’s Seven alarm Salsa, or when wimpy Salsa just isn’t an option.

    sounds great. except for the habanero peppers — i won’t touch ‘em. skeered i’ll burn my lips clean off!

    Yea, taking the seeds out of the habanero peppers (The ones I use are the Naga Bhut Jolokia, with a rating up to 1,041,427 Scoville units) is pretty much mandatory unless you are used to them. Don’t get me wrong, even with the seeds removed they are still smoking hot, but if used sparingly, say about 1/8th of a pepper mixed in with a quart of Salsa they are bearable.


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    106 | November 23, 2012 4:17 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    true. far too are aware of the facts. i knew about this. for unknown reasons, i’ve always had an interest.

    I also like to remind people that Israel is no more than thirty years younger, and in some cases older, than the surrounding countries.

    Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan—all were created out of the corpse of the Ottoman Empire, which died in 1918. Israel was born in 1948—only 30 years later. Saudi Arabia was formed shortly after the Armistice—but Kuwait did not become independent until the 1960s, i.e., after Israel. Aden was still a British colony; it is now part of Yemen. Jordan was created by the British in the 1920s.

    All of the Arab states were actually formed by colonial powers: Israel, often decried by its enemies as “colonialist,” is the least “colonial” of these states, because it was created in the teeth of opposition by the colonial-power British and the colonial-power-created Arab states.


  107. 107 | November 23, 2012 4:18 pm

    @ Lily:

    I don’t know how you crack this bubble of willful ignorance.

    The moneymen in the GOP should buy up Newspapers and TV stations. That would be more effective than spending 800 Million on useless ads. But they don’t seem interested and think what they do worls, despite the electoral defeat.


  108. brookly red
    108 | November 23, 2012 4:18 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ Kirly:

    well now we are getting somewhere… notice in the war on terror we still haven’t named the enemy? 0 did his 4th thanksgiving address and still can’t bring himself to say the word God. Can this be explained away in political terms?


  109. heysoos
    109 | November 23, 2012 4:18 pm

    VDH says give em what they want…a theme kicked around here lately
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333894/let-obama-be-obama-victor-davis-hanson#


  110. 110 | November 23, 2012 4:19 pm

    @ Lily:

    “Coal refineries”? There actually are a couple types of such things, but I don’t know of any operating in the US in recent years.

    @ doriangrey:

    Doesn’t do me any good to make a hot salsa -- nobody will eat it.


  111. 111 | November 23, 2012 4:19 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    so, do you leave the seeds in or remove them? i find that if i’m in a hurry, just leave the seeds in — you can get done faster since you need less peppers.

    Depends on who I’m making it for, I actually have friends who prefer all the seeds be left in including the habanero seeds (they of course are insane) but usually it’s a half and half mix, the seeds come out of the hotter peppers like the habanero and the jalapeno, but everything else they stay in.


  112. 112 | November 23, 2012 4:19 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    BWAHAHAHAHAH….. Lock your women, children and wimpy men folks up… I am bringing the pain in a serious way…
    (Yea, admins please consider this as guest post material)
    Doriangrey’s Seven alarm Salsa, or when wimpy Salsa just isn’t an option.

    It will run at 5:00 PM EST. So that’s in 20 minutes.


  113. Lily
    113 | November 23, 2012 4:20 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Sick indeed..I would even go as far as to say it’s evil.

    of course it’s evil! it’s a direct fight against God Himself! Genesis 12:3

    Indeed it is…for our country to vote in a person who is against everything American and at the DNC they rejected God three times and Israel three times..and Americans weren’t offended or shocked at this points to a very black cloud has deceded over this country. There have been numerous things that obama and his administration has done that should have made him a one and done. But too many people in this country cannot see evil anymore if they ever did in the first place.


  114. 114 | November 23, 2012 4:20 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    BWAHAHAHAHAH….. Lock your women, children and wimpy men folks up… I am bringing the pain in a serious way…
    (Yea, admins please consider this as guest post material)
    Doriangrey’s Seven alarm Salsa, or when wimpy Salsa just isn’t an option.

    /salsa? that what Koreans call baby food…

    BWAHAHAHAHAH… Not this Salsa… That I guarantee you… :twisted:


  115. 115 | November 23, 2012 4:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    BWAHAHAHAHAH….. Lock your women, children and wimpy men folks up… I am bringing the pain in a serious way…
    (Yea, admins please consider this as guest post material)
    Doriangrey’s Seven alarm Salsa, or when wimpy Salsa just isn’t an option.

    It will run at 5:00 PM EST. So that’s in 20 minutes.

    Cool, Just do me a favor and BOLD the warning… :grin:


  116. 116 | November 23, 2012 4:22 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Israel is viewed as a US puppet state by the 3rd World Liberation movement. This has been picked up first by Arab Nationalists and now by the Muslim Brotherhood and their affiliates like Al-Qaeda and Hamas. By backing off the attack on Gaza at the behest of Obama, Netanyhu has given more fodder to this line of thought.

    This ceasefire will have very huge negative consequences for Israel and has raised the esteem of the Muslim Brotherhood.


  117. 117 | November 23, 2012 4:23 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Yea, taking the seeds out of the habanero peppers (The ones I use are the Naga Bhut Jolokia, with a rating up to 1,041,427 Scoville units) is pretty much mandatory unless you are used to them.

    over a million??? see, now that’s just unreasonable!


  118. Guggi
    118 | November 23, 2012 4:24 pm

    Yea, the celebrated So called “Arab Spring” is working well////

    Protests after “pharaoh” Mursi assumes powers in Egypt

    Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi’s decision to assume sweeping powers caused fury amongst his opponents and prompted violent clashes in central Cairo and other cities on Friday.


  119. Lily
    119 | November 23, 2012 4:26 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ Lily:
    @ Kirly:

    well now we are getting somewhere… notice in the war on terror we still haven’t named the enemy? 0 did his 4th thanksgiving address and still can’t bring himself to say the word God. Can this be explained away in political terms?

    Nope…obama can’t bring himself to use God in his Thanksgiving address but he can mock the Catholic religion with his making the sign of the Cross over a turkey and giving the turkey absolution!
    obama is not a priest!


  120. buzzsawmonkey
    120 | November 23, 2012 4:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Israel is viewed as a US puppet state by the 3rd World Liberation movement. This has been picked up first by Arab Nationalists and now by the Muslim Brotherhood and their affiliates like Al-Qaeda and Hamas. By backing off the attack on Gaza at the behest of Obama, Netanyhu has given more fodder to this line of thought.

    This ceasefire will have very huge negative consequences for Israel and has raised the esteem of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Yes, I know that, and agree with your prediction.

    I am merely saying that defenders of Israel should start referring to the Arab nations as the colonialist entities they are. Mess with their heads, and the heads of their supporters.


  121. 121 | November 23, 2012 4:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    All of the Arab states were actually formed by colonial powers: Israel, often decried by its enemies as “colonialist,” is the least “colonial” of these states, because it was created in the teeth of opposition by the colonial-power British and the colonial-power-created Arab states.

    now this helps to explain why the anti-colonialist Obama sides with the current Arab rebels.


  122. brookly red
    122 | November 23, 2012 4:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I don’t know how you crack this bubble of willful ignorance.

    The moneymen in the GOP should buy up Newspapers and TV stations. That would be more effective than spending 800 Million on useless ads. But they don’t seem interested and think what they do worls, despite the electoral defeat.

    as someone who works in advertising and media I advise against it… why would we buy the liberals old worn out whores? We don’t need to invest in the past or we are the past,we need to let the next generation know that mommy and daddy are out of money and they need to stand up.


  123. heysoos
    123 | November 23, 2012 4:26 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Yea, the celebrated So called “Arab Spring” is working well////
    Protests after “pharaoh” Mursi assumes powers in Egypt
    Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi’s decision to assume sweeping powers caused fury amongst his opponents and prompted violent clashes in central Cairo and other cities on Friday.

    in one mad grag, he is telling the Egyptian people he will rule them, since they cannot rule themselves….he should have snuck in the back door, but he’s bold…a good way to get killed


  124. brookly red
    124 | November 23, 2012 4:27 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    now this helps to explain why the anti-colonialist Obama sides with the current Arab rebels.

    that and the fact he is a Muslim, yes.


  125. 125 | November 23, 2012 4:27 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Yea, taking the seeds out of the habanero peppers (The ones I use are the Naga Bhut Jolokia, with a rating up to 1,041,427 Scoville units) is pretty much mandatory unless you are used to them.
    over a million??? see, now that’s just unreasonable!

    Like I said, the Naga Bhut Jolokia aren’t so bad when you remove the seeds and significantly cut down the amount used… :grin:


  126. 126 | November 23, 2012 4:27 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I agree with everything you wrote. I was just giving the background for the Israel colonialist garbage.


  127. Lily
    127 | November 23, 2012 4:28 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Maybe I should have used coal plants. I live around too many refineries and am probably using the wrong term. My bad. ;)


  128. RIX
    128 | November 23, 2012 4:29 pm

    @ Lily:
    Wait until 2014 & our fellow Americans see how ObamaCare
    actually affects them. This is a shock waiting to happen.
    But I can see BHO getting a pass by the Media, blaming
    Republican obstructionism or space aliens or something.


  129. 129 | November 23, 2012 4:29 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ Lily:
    @ Kirly:

    well now we are getting somewhere… notice in the war on terror we still haven’t named the enemy? 0 did his 4th thanksgiving address and still can’t bring himself to say the word God. Can this be explained away in political terms?

    odd. who else is to be thanked on Thanksgiving?? i believe he’s an atheist.


  130. 130 | November 23, 2012 4:32 pm

    @ Lily:
    and they fail to see the significance of the three rejections. of course, they would being atheists and all and mocking and dismissing everything Biblical.


  131. 131 | November 23, 2012 4:32 pm

    @ Lily:
    “Plants” would be better. Coal refineries (if you want to call them that) consist of coal liquification plants and coal gasification plants.


  132. Lily
    132 | November 23, 2012 4:32 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Wait until 2014 & our fellow Americans see how ObamaCare
    actually affects them. This is a shock waiting to happen.
    But I can see BHO getting a pass by the Media, blaming
    Republican obstructionism or space aliens or something.

    It is going to be a huge shock and yes I can see the media blaming anyone but obama for it.


  133. 133 | November 23, 2012 4:32 pm

    @ Kirly:

    The Progressives view Islam as a 3rd World Liberation movement. When I learned about Islam in HS, they taught us that the Arab Muslims liberated the Semitic speaking nations from the evil European Eastern Romans and the Sassanian Persians. They also taught the Turks liberated Anatolia and the Balkans from the oppressive Byzantines, Bulgarians and Serbs and that peasants welcomes them. It was all garbage, but that is how the Left views Islam.


  134. 134 | November 23, 2012 4:33 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    Yea, taking the seeds out of the habanero peppers (The ones I use are the Naga Bhut Jolokia, with a rating up to 1,041,427 Scoville units) is pretty much mandatory unless you are used to them.
    over a million??? see, now that’s just unreasonable!

    Like I said, the Naga Bhut Jolokia aren’t so bad when you remove the seeds and significantly cut down the amount used…

    Oh… and I really should add, after cutting the peppers it is absolutely mandatory that you wash your hand thoroughly and do not touch your face for at least an hour afterwards… :twisted:


  135. heysoos
    135 | November 23, 2012 4:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Wait until 2014 & our fellow Americans see how ObamaCare
    actually affects them. This is a shock waiting to happen.
    But I can see BHO getting a pass by the Media, blaming
    Republican obstructionism or space aliens or something.

    the GOP needs to put up a robust fight for fairness and a level field regarding Ocare…use the donks meme against them and fight exemptions tooth and nail…no exemptions, period


  136. RIX
    136 | November 23, 2012 4:34 pm

    @ Lily:
    yup


  137. Lily
    137 | November 23, 2012 4:34 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    @ Lily:
    @ Kirly:

    well now we are getting somewhere… notice in the war on terror we still haven’t named the enemy? 0 did his 4th thanksgiving address and still can’t bring himself to say the word God. Can this be explained away in political terms?

    odd. who else is to be thanked on Thanksgiving?? i believe he’s an atheist.

    I do too think he is atheist with a soft spot for Islam. He has already said he has a soft spot for Islam and if an ill wind blew it’s way he would defend Islam now why is he our president when he is more concerned with Islam instead of Americans??? That is the big question.


  138. Lily
    138 | November 23, 2012 4:35 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ Lily:
    and they fail to see the significance of the three rejections. of course, they would being atheists and all and mocking and dismissing everything Biblical.

    No they don’t understand the significance of the three rejections!!! That was huge in my opinion. Very huge.


  139. 139 | November 23, 2012 4:36 pm

    I need a nap. Is ther any reason, since I’m the boss here at work, why I can’t just go home and take a nap?


  140. 140 | November 23, 2012 4:36 pm

    @ Lily:

    He said he will stand with the Muslims, he has not lied.


  141. 141 | November 23, 2012 4:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Wait until 2014 & our fellow Americans see how ObamaCare
    actually affects them. This is a shock waiting to happen.
    But I can see BHO getting a pass by the Media, blaming
    Republican obstructionism or space aliens or something.

    i guess the faintest of silver linings of O being re-elected is that he will still be president when O-care really takes hold.

    i hope the largest possible number of states refuse to set up the exchanges too.


  142. Lily
    142 | November 23, 2012 4:36 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Lily:
    “Plants” would be better. Coal refineries (if you want to call them that) consist of coal liquification plants and coal gasification plants.

    Plants and refineries I seem to think of them the same…and of course I’m wrong. Sorry there.


  143. yenta-fada
    143 | November 23, 2012 4:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Israel is viewed as a US puppet state by the 3rd World Liberation movement. This has been picked up first by Arab Nationalists and now by the Muslim Brotherhood and their affiliates like Al-Qaeda and Hamas. By backing off the attack on Gaza at the behest of Obama, Netanyhu has given more fodder to this line of thought.
    This ceasefire will have very huge negative consequences for Israel and has raised the esteem of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    A lot of wingnuts on the left and the right OPENLY say that America marches to Israel’s commands. That’s from Financial Blogs alone, not the ‘hater’ sites. I’ve seen this for a decade coming out of Europe as well as North America.


  144. 144 | November 23, 2012 4:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    That is the big question.

    No big question there at all, he is the president because the Democrat’s employed voter fraud and the Fifth Column Treasonous Media employed evil Sith mind control over the weak minded in America and told them how to vote.


  145. 145 | November 23, 2012 4:38 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    Yea, taking the seeds out of the habanero peppers (The ones I use are the Naga Bhut Jolokia, with a rating up to 1,041,427 Scoville units) is pretty much mandatory unless you are used to them.
    over a million??? see, now that’s just unreasonable!

    Like I said, the Naga Bhut Jolokia aren’t so bad when you remove the seeds and significantly cut down the amount used…

    Oh… and I really should add, after cutting the peppers it is absolutely mandatory that you wash your hand thoroughly and do not touch your face for at least an hour afterwards…

    afterwards? when i make salsa / pico de gallo, i think i wash my hands about 20 times! at least!


  146. Lily
    146 | November 23, 2012 4:38 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    Yea, taking the seeds out of the habanero peppers (The ones I use are the Naga Bhut Jolokia, with a rating up to 1,041,427 Scoville units) is pretty much mandatory unless you are used to them.
    over a million??? see, now that’s just unreasonable!

    Like I said, the Naga Bhut Jolokia aren’t so bad when you remove the seeds and significantly cut down the amount used…

    Oh… and I really should add, after cutting the peppers it is absolutely mandatory that you wash your hand thoroughly and do not touch your face for at least an hour afterwards…

    Or wear gloves (the thin plastic cooking gloves) to make that salsa! ;)


  147. 147 | November 23, 2012 4:39 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I need a nap. Is ther any reason, since I’m the boss here at work, why I can’t just go home and take a nap?

    You means besides the whole you being the boss thing?


  148. yenta-fada
    148 | November 23, 2012 4:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    He said he will stand with the Muslims, he has not lied.

    Nor will he CHANGE.


  149. 149 | November 23, 2012 4:39 pm

    Funny thing about Obama: He told us exactly what his agenda was. He told us who he would side with and he has not been anything except what he was before. Why does anyone think he is not going to try and be the most liberal president, when he was the most liberal senator? He broadcasted who and what he is from the very begiinning of his political life. Do people really believe that he is going to try to work with the right? Why would he be a moderate now?


  150. eaglesoars
    150 | November 23, 2012 4:40 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    after cutting the peppers it is absolutely mandatory that you wash your hand thoroughly and do not touch your face for at least an hour afterwards…

    Even better -- wear gloves -- turn them inside out when you take them off, throw them in the trash and STILL wash your hands.


  151. 151 | November 23, 2012 4:41 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Its crazy because the 3rd Worlders say its the opposite.


  152. 152 | November 23, 2012 4:41 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    I need a nap. Is ther any reason, since I’m the boss here at work, why I can’t just go home and take a nap?
    You means besides the whole you being the boss thing?

    Exactly. Other than I am responsible for every freakin’ thing that happens here . . .


  153. eaglesoars
    153 | November 23, 2012 4:41 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I need a nap. Is ther any reason, since I’m the boss here at work, why I can’t just go home and take a nap?

    um, 10 kids at home? Try the car.


  154. RIX
    154 | November 23, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ Kirly:

    i guess the faintest of silver linings of O being re-elected is that he will still be president when O-care really takes hold.

    i hope the largest possible number of states refuse to set up the exchanges too.

    This is going to be a mess. Only sixteen states have done anything about
    the exchanges & four of those have stopped.
    The court knocked down the Expanded Medicaid Mandate & most
    states will not implement it voluntarily.
    The cost of this mess will go through the roof & Sarah Palin was right
    about death panels.


  155. 155 | November 23, 2012 4:42 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Kirly wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    Yea, taking the seeds out of the habanero peppers (The ones I use are the Naga Bhut Jolokia, with a rating up to 1,041,427 Scoville units) is pretty much mandatory unless you are used to them.
    over a million??? see, now that’s just unreasonable!
    Like I said, the Naga Bhut Jolokia aren’t so bad when you remove the seeds and significantly cut down the amount used…
    Oh… and I really should add, after cutting the peppers it is absolutely mandatory that you wash your hand thoroughly and do not touch your face for at least an hour afterwards…
    afterwards? when i make salsa / pico de gallo, i think i wash my hands about 20 times! at least!

    BWAHAHAHAH… The first time I made this particular Salsa, I got an itch right next to my eye while I was cutting the Habanero Pepper, and reached up without even thinking and scratched it… :shock: Yea… that was a bit of a rude surprise… :razz:


  156. 156 | November 23, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Nope, he is what he is and the people love him.


  157. Lily
    157 | November 23, 2012 4:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    yup

    I watched the movie…

    Barney: “I heard you were bit by a cobra.”
    Lone Wolf (Chuck Norris): “Yes it’s true.”
    Barney: “Are you okay?”
    Lone Wolf (Chuck Norris): “Yes after 5 agonizing days of pain the snake died.”


  158. 158 | November 23, 2012 4:43 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The media controls the country and dictates the policies. We live in a media dictatorship.


  159. Lily
    159 | November 23, 2012 4:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    He said he will stand with the Muslims, he has not lied.

    Nope for once he didn’t lie there…he has made it very clear on who’s side he is on.


  160. 160 | November 23, 2012 4:44 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    father_of_10 wrote:
    I need a nap. Is ther any reason, since I’m the boss here at work, why I can’t just go home and take a nap?
    You means besides the whole you being the boss thing?
    Exactly. Other than I am responsible for every freakin’ thing that happens here . . .

    Well…. You could always move your entire company here to beautiful San Diego Country, then hire me as your foreman/supervisor and then you would be able to sneak off for the odd lunch time nap and stuff… :razz:


  161. RIX
    161 | November 23, 2012 4:44 pm

    @ Lily:
    That is sooooooo good!


  162. 162 | November 23, 2012 4:45 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    I need a nap. Is ther any reason, since I’m the boss here at work, why I can’t just go home and take a nap?
    You means besides the whole you being the boss thing?

    Exactly. Other than I am responsible for every freakin’ thing that happens here . . .

    what? you didn’t build that! /


  163. waldensianspirit
    163 | November 23, 2012 4:45 pm

    Jeb Bush to be the GOP nominee in 2016


  164. 164 | November 23, 2012 4:46 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    gah! i’m just glad I don’t wear contacts anymore!


  165. Lily
    165 | November 23, 2012 4:47 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    That is the big question.

    No big question there at all, he is the president because the Democrat’s employed voter fraud and the Fifth Column Treasonous Media employed evil Sith mind control over the weak minded in America and told them how to vote.

    Yeah but for so many Americans to have fallen for it is the big question. This country is too divided too concerned with issues that were based in the 60′s …and just too damn blind to what obama is all about. I shake my head at it all.


  166. heysoos
    166 | November 23, 2012 4:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    The media controls the country and dictates the policies. We live in a media dictatorship.

    which is why we need to allow the donks to expose their many weaknesses….do the DREAM act, and deport those who do not qualify….raise taxes through the roof for the wealthy…do not except the notion of Ocare exemptions, none…when the shit hits the fan, voters will flock away from the donks…if you vote for stupidity, against you’re interests then so be it….it will be easier to clean up that mess than an epic, multi cycle fight against it


  167. Lily
    167 | November 23, 2012 4:49 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Funny thing about Obama: He told us exactly what his agenda was. He told us who he would side with and he has not been anything except what he was before. Why does anyone think he is not going to try and be the most liberal president, when he was the most liberal senator? He broadcasted who and what he is from the very begiinning of his political life. Do people really believe that he is going to try to work with the right? Why would he be a moderate now?

    I agree with your post but I would replace liberal with leftist. And for some reason people thought Romney was radical and obama was the most centrist between the two. Unfreaking-believable.


  168. 168 | November 23, 2012 4:49 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Jeb Bush to be the GOP nominee in 2016

    See my link in #29. They Establishment is pushing Jeb, hence the attacks on Rubio. If Jeb is the nominee, I predict Rand Paul will run 3rd Party and many on the Right will follow him. The Establishment has a death wish.


  169. heysoos
    169 | November 23, 2012 4:50 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Jeb Bush to be the GOP nominee in 2016

    really, what’s his cred?…I want to see his portfolio…are we gonna continue this escape from little league to the big dance or not?….Bush is not fit to be president


  170. 170 | November 23, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ heysoos:
    i think the left is too far gone to be reasonable and see that those things would be a problem. they’d just continue to blame everything on Republicans and Conservatives and “the rich”.


  171. Lily
    171 | November 23, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    GMTA! ;)


  172. yenta-fada
    172 | November 23, 2012 4:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Its crazy because the 3rd Worlders say its the opposite.

    http://lh5.ggpht.com/-3i-4bYGDgWo/UJqHCd0pqmI/AAAAAAAAruE/6fP1YCsPthI/s1600-h/calvin.jends%252520justify%252520meanspg%25255B4%25255D.jpg


  173. 173 | November 23, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I agree, that would be my agenda. VDH is right, give the voters what they want.


  174. RIX
    174 | November 23, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ Lily:
    Chuck Norris once ordered a Big Mac at Burger King
    & got it.
    Chuck Norris often donates blood to the Red Cross,
    It’s just never his


  175. 175 | November 23, 2012 4:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    They Establishment is pushing Jeb, hence the attacks on Rubio. I Jeb is the nominee, I predict Rand Paul will run 3rd Party and many on the Right will follow him. The Establishment has a death wish.

    what has Rand Paul done to convince you he would 1) run for President in 2016 and 2) run for anything as other than a Republican?


  176. 176 | November 23, 2012 4:52 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    :lol:


  177. Lily
    177 | November 23, 2012 4:52 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    i guess the faintest of silver linings of O being re-elected is that he will still be president when O-care really takes hold.

    i hope the largest possible number of states refuse to set up the exchanges too.

    This is going to be a mess. Only sixteen states have done anything about
    the exchanges & four of those have stopped.
    The court knocked down the Expanded Medicaid Mandate & most
    states will not implement it voluntarily.
    The cost of this mess will go through the roof & Sarah Palin was right
    about death panels.

    Yep, yep and yep. But hey you mention anything about the bad things concerning obamacare….”YOU DON’T KNOW THAT AND THAT ISN’T TRUE!”
    I have heard it too many times when refuting obamacare.


  178. 178 | November 23, 2012 4:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I agree, that would be my agenda. VDH is right, give the voters what they want.

    And then when the feces fully impact the impellers perhaps we can finally break out the Stout Hemp Rope and put the Streetlamps and Fifth Column Treasonous Media folks to good use… Feeding the carrion birds… :twisted:


  179. yenta-fada
    179 | November 23, 2012 4:54 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Chuck Norris once ordered a Big Mac at Burger King
    & got it.
    Chuck Norris often donates blood to the Red Cross,
    It’s just never his

    LOL


  180. 180 | November 23, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Rand is sick of the Establishment, so I could see him going down that route if Jeb is shoved down people’s throat in 2016. I just picked him because he has name recognition or it could be someone else. The Establishment clearly has a death wish.


  181. RIX
    181 | November 23, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yep, yep and yep. But hey you mention anything about the bad things concerning obamacare….”YOU DON’T KNOW THAT AND THAT ISN’T TRUE!”
    I have heard it too many times when refuting obamacare.

    People can deny all of the brutal things in ObamaCare
    all the want. But at the end of the day, we will all find
    out in a most unpleasant way.


  182. 182 | November 23, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    break out the Stout Hemp Rope

    I bet you won alot of stock in hem,p companies?

    :wink:


  183. 183 | November 23, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ Rodan:
    you didn’t answer either of my questions.

    dorian, do you use fresh cilantro in your salsa?


  184. Lily
    184 | November 23, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Speaking the of the Habernero (sp) son thought half a bottle of H-sauce would go good on his burrito…I told him might want to go eay on that ..he said naw it’s just like tabasco sauce..hmmmmm what happened after he ate half the burrito will go down in Lily’s family history. Sooooooooo funny!


  185. 185 | November 23, 2012 4:56 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    Jeb Bush to be the GOP nominee in 2016

    really, what’s his cred?…I want to see his portfolio…are we gonna continue this escape from little league to the big dance or not?….Bush is not fit to be president

    See the link in #29. The GOP establishment is begging Jeb to run in 2016.


  186. Lily
    186 | November 23, 2012 4:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    The media controls the country and dictates the policies. We live in a media dictatorship.

    Now that is the truth!!!


  187. 187 | November 23, 2012 4:58 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Yes I did.


  188. yenta-fada
    188 | November 23, 2012 4:58 pm

    Friday afternoon blonde joke.

    A blonde gets a job as a teacher.
    She notices a boy in the field standing alone,

    while all the other kids are running around having fun.
    She takes pity on him and decides to speak to him. ‘You ok?’ she says.
    ‘Yes.’ he says.
    ‘You can go and play with the other kids you know.’ she says.
    ‘It’s best I stay here.’ he says. ‘
    ‘Why?’ says the blonde.
    The boy says: ‘Because, I’m the f!@#Ing goalie’


  189. 189 | November 23, 2012 4:58 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    you didn’t answer either of my questions.
    dorian, do you use fresh cilantro in your salsa?

    When I can get it, it’s much better than the dried.

    @ Lily:

    BWAHAHAHAHAH… ROTFLMAO… Yea, I bet… Much crying, swearing, bargaining and whimper did ensue I’m sure… :twisted:


  190. yenta-fada
    190 | November 23, 2012 5:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I agree, that would be my agenda. VDH is right, give the voters what they want.

    What’s the problem with Barack Obama jokes?

    His followers don’t think they’re funny and other people don’t think they’re jokes.


  191. Lily
    191 | November 23, 2012 5:01 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    i think the left is too far gone to be reasonable and see that those things would be a problem. they’d just continue to blame everything on Republicans and Conservatives and “the rich”.

    Bingo!!! If they can twist themselves into knots and convince themselves obama is a centrist…they are too far gone.


  192. 192 | November 23, 2012 5:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    I need a nap. Is ther any reason, since I’m the boss here at work, why I can’t just go home and take a nap?
    um, 10 kids at home? Try the car.

    Only 4 at home. Kids have a tendency to grow up and move out and have lives of their own.


  193. 193 | November 23, 2012 5:01 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    And then when the feces fully impact the impellers perhaps we can finally break out the Stout Hemp Rope and put the Streetlamps and Fifth Column Treasonous Media folks to good use… Feeding the carrion birds…

    And not the Pak’ma’ra….


  194. 194 | November 23, 2012 5:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    They looked for a pretext to go after Rubio. The Republican establishment wants Jeb in 2016 and will destroy anyone in their way.

    and we trust the New York Times now why exactly?

    sounds more like Bush is who Bill Clinton wants to run in 2016


  195. 195 | November 23, 2012 5:02 pm

    New Thread.


  196. Lily
    196 | November 23, 2012 5:02 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Chuck Norris once ordered a Big Mac at Burger King
    & got it.
    Chuck Norris often donates blood to the Red Cross,
    It’s just never his

    :lol: :lol: :lol:


  197. RIX
    197 | November 23, 2012 5:04 pm

    @ Lily:
    Chuck Norris once set a land speed record on a bicycle.
    It would have been faster if the bike had a chain.


  198. 198 | November 23, 2012 5:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    Yes I did.

    no, you gave your opinion of Rand’s thoughts.


  199. 199 | November 23, 2012 5:05 pm

    well, i’m out. gotta get ready to meet some friends for dinner.


  200. Lily
    200 | November 23, 2012 5:06 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Yep, yep and yep. But hey you mention anything about the bad things concerning obamacare….”YOU DON’T KNOW THAT AND THAT ISN’T TRUE!”
    I have heard it too many times when refuting obamacare.

    People can deny all of the brutal things in ObamaCare
    all the want. But at the end of the day, we will all find
    out in a most unpleasant way.

    That is the sad thing especially for people who knew this is bad for people and didn’t want it but was forced upon us.


  201. 201 | November 23, 2012 5:08 pm

    @ Kirly:

    and we trust the New York Times now why exactly?

    It’s not just the NY times. I have seen other articles where Establishment figures have been calling for Jeb to run. They also are pinning for Chris Christie if Jeb is a no go. The GOP Establishment is a creature of habit and like the French Bourbons, they learn nothing nor forgotten everything. These guys are very predictable.

    sounds more like Bush is who Bill Clinton wants to run in 2016

    Bill Clinton is probably mischievously goading to him to run, on the assumption Hillary is the Democratic nominee. So he has his own reasons for this.


  202. Lily
    202 | November 23, 2012 5:09 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Kirly wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    you didn’t answer either of my questions.
    dorian, do you use fresh cilantro in your salsa?

    When I can get it, it’s much better than the dried.

    @ Lily:

    BWAHAHAHAHAH… ROTFLMAO… Yea, I bet… Much crying, swearing, bargaining and whimper did ensue I’m sure…

    OMG….he was shoving ice in his mouth running from the bathroom to the kitchen back and forth like a chicken with his head cut off. I just said…I told you to go easy on that. ;)


  203. RIX
    203 | November 23, 2012 5:12 pm

    @ Lily:

    That is the sad thing especially for people who knew this is bad for people and didn’t want it but was forced upon us.

    This fiasco took place with stifled debate & rule changes to pass it.
    The embarrassing Pelosi saying “We have to pass it so you can find
    out what’s in it.”
    If people complained that this was “crammed down our throats” asylums
    like LGF called that a sexual reference (true)


  204. Lily
    204 | November 23, 2012 5:14 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    That is the sad thing especially for people who knew this is bad for people and didn’t want it but was forced upon us.

    This fiasco took place with stifled debate & rule changes to pass it.
    The embarrassing Pelosi saying “We have to pass it so you can find
    out what’s in it.”
    If people complained that this was “crammed down our throats” asylums
    like LGF called that a sexual reference (true)

    Really…they went there on LGF..what a bunch or morons are left there.


  205. RIX
    205 | November 23, 2012 5:17 pm

    @ Lily:
    The place is a fever swamp.


  206. 206 | November 23, 2012 5:20 pm

    Lily wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    you didn’t answer either of my questions.
    dorian, do you use fresh cilantro in your salsa?
    When I can get it, it’s much better than the dried.
    @ Lily:
    BWAHAHAHAHAH… ROTFLMAO… Yea, I bet… Much crying, swearing, bargaining and whimper did ensue I’m sure…
    OMG….he was shoving ice in his mouth running from the bathroom to the kitchen back and forth like a chicken with his head cut off. I just said…I told you to go easy on that.

    Heh heh heh, I used to have a little bottle of Habanero sauce, made by the same people that make Tabasco sauce, one of my nephews made the exact same mistake. I used it very sparingly, 3 maybe 4 drops at a time, but then again, I knew exactly what it was… :twisted:


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