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Relitigating the Cold War and defending the honor of poor old Joe Stalin; and Oliver Stone will not be a happy man as The New York Times takes him on!

by Speranza ( 272 Comments › )
Filed under Cold War, History, Marxism, Progressives, World War II at November 26th, 2012 - 7:30 pm

Two critiques of the execrable Oliver Stone revisionist history program now airing on Showtime. The sad thing is that Stone’s revisionism is taught every day in college history and political science courses. Henry Wallace (a one time U.S. Vice President under FDR) was one of the worst dupes in American history. However he later repudiated his pro Soviet views.

by Clifford D.  May

In the 1930s, quite a few people failed to recognize the threat posed by Nazi ideology. In their eyes, Hitler was simply restoring Germany’s wounded pride and rebuilding an economy battered by World War I and the harsh treaty that ended the conflict. Surely, Hitler and the German people preferred compromise to conflict, peace to war. This view turned out to be wrong, of course, and tens of millions of people were massacred as a result.

In the wake of World War II, quite a few people failed to recognize the threat posed by Communist ideology. In their eyes, Marxist/Leninist societies were emancipating workers from capitalism. This view turned out to be wrong as well, and in lands as diverse as the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, and Cambodia, tens of millions of people were massacred as a result. Today, of course, we see the world more clearly, don’t we? Well, some do, some don’t.

Ronald Radosh was born in 1937 in New York City and raised in a Communist household. In his youth, he planned to become a leader of the American Communist movement. But he became a historian — [........] Most recently he has written a critique in The Weekly Standard of Oliver Stone’s Untold History of the United States, which premiered this week on Showtime, a cable network owned by CBS. Radosh makes clear that this series, in fact, reveals no “untold history” — it merely reheats and rehashes the party line pushed by the Soviets and their fellow travelers during the Cold War, a line that Stone swallowed long ago and has since been regurgitating.

Stone argues, as Radosh puts it, that “the Soviet Union’s leader in the 1930s and ’40s, Joseph Stalin, has ‘been vilified pretty thoroughly by history,’ so what is needed is a program allowing viewers to walk in both his and Hitler’s shoes ‘to understand their point of view.’”

Stone also alleges that “after World War II the United States moved ‘to the dark side,’ so that by the time the country was engaged in the Vietnam war, ‘We were not on the wrong side. We were the wrong side.’”

Radosh points out not only the factual errors littered throughout Stone’s series but also the conspicuous omissions. For example:

Viewers are told that World War II ended with the world sharing the hopes and dreams of progressives everywhere, led by Stalin, whose desire for continued Allied unity and peace was rebuffed by Winston Churchill and rejected by President Roosevelt’s accidental successor, Harry Truman. The viewer is never told of Soviet goals or practices, like the brutal occupation of Eastern Europe by the Red Army and the overthrow of its governments and installation of Soviet puppet regimes, except when the narrative justifies this as necessary for Soviet security.

Stone makes a hero of Vice President Henry Wallace, who, Radosh notes, in 1944 “traveled to 22 cities in Soviet Siberia” and “described the slave labor colony of Magadan, which the Soviet secret police had transformed into a Potemkin village staffed by actors and NKVD personnel, as a ‘combination TVA and Hudson’s Bay Company.’”

Later that same year, Roosevelt bumped Wallace from the No. 2 spot on the Democratic ticket, replacing him with Truman. Wallace’s consolation prize was secretary of commerce, but President Truman fired him in 1946. The cause of Wallace’s firing was call for the U.S. to recognize Soviet domination of Eastern Europe; he later “opposed the creation of NATO, advocated abandoning Berlin in response to the Soviet blockade, denounced the Marshall Plan for European reconstruction as ‘the martial plan,’ and justified the 1948 Communist coup in Czechoslovakia as a measure to thwart a plot by fascist forces.”

Wallace went on to create the Progressive Party, which, as Radosh notes, was essentially a Communist Party front. [........]

Coincidentally, this exercise in propaganda is hitting the small screens just as Anne Applebaum’s Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe, 1944–1956, is appearing in bookstores. Following up on her 2003 Pulitzer Prize–winning volume on the Soviet prison system, Gulag: A History, Applebaum draws on recently opened archives and interviews with survivors of Communist oppression. She “eloquently illuminates the methods by which Stalin’s state imprisoned half the European continent,” as historian Jennifer Siegel phrases it in one of many favorable reviews.

Will more people be educated by Applebaum or misinformed by Stone? The answer is obvious. Does it matter? In an age of moral equivalence, how much damage can be done by yet another generous serving? So what if more Americans — especially those who call themselves “progressives” — come to believe that old Uncle Joe Stalin got a raw deal, and Harry Truman was a “war criminal”?

I think it does matter. Not only because post-Soviet Russia remains conspicuously unfree, but, more important, because those persuaded that the 20th-century fight against totalitarianism was not worth the candle are likely to conclude that defending America and the West is not necessary now — a time when totalitarianism is again on the march, this time seeking not to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat or rule by a master race, but domination by religious supremacists.

It is no exaggeration to describe those who embrace the ideology of jihadism as neo-Stalinists. They, too, insist on infusing their ideology — which, in this case, is their theology as well — into every aspect of life. They, too, attack not just those who oppose them but also those who merely refuse to fully submit to their authority. Their victims include Jews, Christians, Baha’is, Buddhists, Hindus, and, not least, Muslims — most recently those whose ancient mosques and shrines have been destroyed in Libya and Mali.

[.........]

Read the rest – Oliver Stone’s Party Line

by Ron Radosh

Oliver Stone and his co-author Peter Kuznick are not going to be happy this week. After making scores of media appearances in which he heralded the supposedly great reception for his new TV series and accompanying book, Oliver Stone’s Untold History of the United States, which airs each week for 10 episodes on the CBS-owned network Showtime, Stone is finally getting the negative response he feared.

First, Stone was hit hard by Michael Moynihan at Newsweek/The Daily Beast. Declaring Stone and Kuznick’s film “junk history,” Moynihan called Stone’s work “swivel-eyed, ideological history,” based on “dubious quotes and sources,” a veritable “marvel of historical illiteracy.” Coming on the heels of my own debunking of Stone, “A Story Told Before: Oliver Stone’s Recycled History of the United States,” Stone and Kuznick received two substantive critiques in one week.

Stone, of course, completely ignored my own substantive article, alluding to it without naming me as an example of “a few far-right diatribes” that do not warrant response. Stone bragged that “the majority of reviews and articles have been positive,” until that is – the piece by Moynihan that he had to answer since it appeared in what he considers a mainstream media venue. Since the original author has the last word, Moynihan hit Stone hard in his own answer, that appears after Stone’s response as an update. Moynihan easily further demolishes Stone and Kuznick, concluding after presenting more evidence that their work “is activism masquerading as history.”

This Sunday, however, Stone and Kuznick will be even more upset. The New York Times Magazine features a story by editor Andrew Goldman, “Oliver Stone Rewrites History-Again.” Goldman’s story, which summarizes Stone’s theory behind the TV series and has many vignettes based on his own interview with the director, notes among other things that Stone never really took back his incendiary comment that there is “Jewish domination of the media” and that Israel’s “powerful lobby in Washington” controls U.S. foreign policy. The apology he supposedly made to the Anti-Defamation League was forced on him to avoid cancellation of “Untold History,” and Stone now told Goldman that he should not have used the word “Jewish,” but that Israel has “seeming control over American foreign policy” and that AIPAC has “undue influence.” He accuses them of “militating for the war in Iraq,” completely ignoring that in fact, Israel did not favor the war, considering Iran its major enemy, and that AIPAC in particular never lobbied on its behalf. Each time Stone explains himself, he further puts his foot in his mouth.

When Goldman eventually gets to the new Showtime series, readers learn that Stone’s accolades come mainly when he presents his film to sympathetic viewers from the far left Nation magazine, as in a forum held in New York after the annual New York Film Festival. Referring to the magazine as “the left’s beloved 147 year-old weekly,” Goldman quotes its editor and publisher Katrina vanden Heuvel, as saying that Stone’s film “is what we try to do at The Nation,” which if anything, is more of a giveaway about its reliability than she imagines. That she sees the film as challenging “the orthodoxy” and the “conformity of our history” is a statement that should, if anything, be very embarrassing to those who think she has any credibility.

Indeed, Goldman goes on to point out that to Stone and Kuznick, “Stalin…still comes off as heroic, as an honest negotiator who, following F.D.R.’s death, was faced at every turn with Truman’s diplomatic perfidy.” Truman is to Stone and Kuznick, Goldman puts it, the “black hat” while the “white hats” belong to F.D.R., John F. Kennedy and most of all, “the man who inspired the whole project: Henry Wallace.”

[........]

What will really irk Stone and Kuznick, however, is that Goldman turns to me as an example of the sharp criticism Stone gets from those who know something about history. He writes the following:

While to his fans Stone’s alternate histories are provocative, his detractors see them as grossly irresponsible cherry-picking. The conservative historian and CUNY emeritus professor Ronald Radosh said he found himself wanting to do harm to his television while watching the first four episodes, which he reviewed for the right-wing Weekly Standard. Radosh had been blogging skeptically about the Stone project since its announcement in 2010, but now that he’d actually seen it, he said, it was the historian rather than the conservative in him who was most offended. “Historians can have different interpretations, but based on evidence,” he said. “What these other guys do is manipulate evidence and ignore evidence that does not fit their predetermined thesis, and that’s why they’re wrong.” According to Radosh, Stone and Kuznick’s take on the United States’ role in the cold war mirrors the argument in “We Can Be Friends,” a book published in 1952 by Carl Marzani, who was convicted of concealing his affiliation to the Communist Party when he joined the O.S.S., the precursor to the C.I.A. This Stone-Kuznick film could have been put out in 1955 as Soviet propaganda,” Radosh said. “They use all the old stuff.

[.........]

There is much I said to Goldman he left out, obviously because of space concerns from his editors at the magazine. I recommended to him in particular two books on the dropping of the A-Bomb that answer in detail the rehashed revisionist view Stone and Kuznick argue as if nothing has appeared to answer them since Gar Alperovitz’s first statement of the “atomic diplomacy” theory in the 1960’s. I told Goldman to consult Wilson D. Miscamble’s new book The Most Controversial Decision:Truman, the Atomic Bombs, and the Defeat of Japan, and Robert James Maddox’s earlier collection, Hiroshima in History: The Myths of Revisionism.

If he did, there is no indication of it in the article. Both of these books would present chapter and verse on the kind of real evidence that Stone and Kuznick completely ignore. The evidence shows, for example – contrary to the assertion made in the film series – that dropping of the A-Bombs, as horrible as it was, saved not only thousands of American lives that would have been lost, but more Japanese lives than were lost as a result of the A-bombs being dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They also show that contrary to the film’s argument, the Japanese government was not ready to surrender and end the war, until after both bombs were used.

Finally, I must note that as pleased as I am that Goldman went to me to counter Stone, and then to Wilentz, he colored (or his editors did) his account by referring to The Weekly Standard as a “right-wing” publication. One could more accurately refer to it as a conservative magazine. The term used is one of opprobrium, meant obviously by the editors of the Times to undercut the possibility that anyone reading it could learn the truth in its pages. [.........]

Goldman ends his article by referring to Stone and Kuznick’s appearance at a forum at the 92nd Street Y in New York City, where Kuznick again bragged about the “glowing” reviews they were getting and actually said that “nobody’s challenging anything we’re saying.” Stone gestured and said, “Well, it’s early.”

[........]

Read the rest - This weekend, Oliver Stone Will Not be a Happy Man; Now The New York Times Takes Him On!

 

 

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272 Responses to “Relitigating the Cold War and defending the honor of poor old Joe Stalin; and Oliver Stone will not be a happy man as The New York Times takes him on!”
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  1. 1 | November 26, 2012 7:44 pm

    The Left loves Stalin.


  2. 2 | November 26, 2012 7:45 pm

    I saw this in the Scheduling Guide yesterday as a suggestion for something I might like. The minute I saw Oliver Stone in the credits I realized it would be garbage, advancing an anti-American theory. This is from the same network that took over the Ronald Reagan movie after CBS had to push it from their prime time line up when the natives took up the pitchforks and surrounded the network.

    I’m thinking it will have probably less viewership than “Game Change” was on HBO, but will win a shitload of Emmys (just like Game Change did because it vilified Sarah Palin).


  3. lobo91
    3 | November 26, 2012 7:48 pm

    Ronald Radosh was born in 1937 in New York City and raised in a Communist household. In his youth, he planned to become a leader of the American Communist movement. But he became a historian

    There’s a difference?


  4. Mars
    4 | November 26, 2012 7:48 pm

    OK, so Ollie is basically just a communist anti-semite. Nothing to see here.


  5. Prebanned
    5 | November 26, 2012 7:59 pm

    Communists never quit.


  6. darkwords
    6 | November 26, 2012 8:07 pm

    Howard Zinn educated obots will love the movie.


  7. Da_Beerfreak
    7 | November 26, 2012 8:09 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    Communists never quit.

    Tyrants never sleep. :evil:

    Their paranoia keeps them awake… :twisted:


  8. Calo
    8 | November 26, 2012 8:09 pm

    Strange things in the air here today …

    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2012/11/26/pravda-bye-bye-miss-american-pie/#comment-1123617


  9. darkwords
    9 | November 26, 2012 8:09 pm

    i’m not sure if I have ever seen an Oliver Stone movie. He has such a bad reputation for inaccuracy I usually lose interest when i see his name associated with anything. maybe all of his work should be decimaled into the Alternative Universe section of the SYFY book stack.


  10. Mars
    10 | November 26, 2012 8:12 pm

    Calo wrote:

    Strange things in the air here today …
    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2012/11/26/pravda-bye-bye-miss-american-pie/#comment-1123617

    Umm, sorry but the mods should ban that one. His rant was vicious and completely insane. I don’t mind people disagreeing, but cowardly little scumbags signing up just to go off on their schizo tangent on a dead thread need banned.


  11. darkwords
    11 | November 26, 2012 8:12 pm

    @ 8 Calo: Oh My!!!! that is actually humorous to read.


  12. Bumr50
    12 | November 26, 2012 8:13 pm

    @ Calo:

    LMAO!

    It SIPS on your SOUL!!!

    OHHHH NOOOOOO!!!!

    //

    Methamphetamine.


  13. darkwords
    13 | November 26, 2012 8:14 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    Breaking Bad.


  14. Bumr50
    14 | November 26, 2012 8:14 pm

    @ Mars:

    Awwwwww.

    Can’t we keep him?


  15. Lily
    15 | November 26, 2012 8:15 pm

    Why in the world anyone who knows anything about history want to take a walk in Hitlers and Stalins shoes?? Those two evil men! And why in the world would someone want to alter the history of these two evil men??? Stalin as a good guy????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Dear me! The world has truly gone nuts!!!!! And yes this piece of trash that Stone is putting out will get more looks than the books that are being put out about the horrors of Stalin and what it was like living in the Soviet Union. Good grief! Why in the world would Stone want to put on a “historical” hat (truly he isn’t a historian} and rewrite about Stalin and Hitler???? The world has gone mad. I can only hope true historians really hit him with a two-by-four over this trash he is putting out.


  16. darkwords
    16 | November 26, 2012 8:18 pm

    Red Dawn should have been making a statement about Hilter driven radical muslims.


  17. Mars
    17 | November 26, 2012 8:19 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Awwwwww.
    Can’t we keep him?

    Nope we already have a stray with a split personality. A possibly drug addled schizo is not a good addition. Plus it’s already shit all over a perfectly good thread. Who’s going to clean that up?


  18. Mars
    18 | November 26, 2012 8:20 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Why in the world anyone who knows anything about history want to take a walk in Hitlers and Stalins shoes?? Those two evil men! And why in the world would someone want to alter the history of these two evil men??? Stalin as a good guy?????
    Dear me! The world has truly gone nuts!!!!! And yes this piece of trash that Stone is putting out will get more looks than the books that are being put out about the horrors of Stalin and what it was like living in the Soviet Union. Good grief! Why in the world would Stone want to put on a “historical” hat (truly he isn’t a historian} and rewrite about Stalin and Hitler???? The world has gone mad. I can only hope true historians really hit him with a two-by-four over this trash he is putting out.

    The American communists have been trying to redeem Stalin since day one.


  19. 19 | November 26, 2012 8:21 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ darkwords:
    @ lobo91:
    @ Mars:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ Bumr50:

    If Hitler had never turned on Stalin, the Left would be praising him a great Socialist leader who stood up to evil Capitalist Imperialists and ended the Zionist threat.


  20. 20 | November 26, 2012 8:22 pm

    @ Mars:

    They are now trying to redeem Hitler. Many on the Left are admitting, he was one of them.


  21. Mars
    21 | November 26, 2012 8:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    They are now trying to redeem Hitler. Many on the Left are admitting, he was one of them.

    And yet they keep trying to put Mussolini on the right, even though all of his policies match up with the dem party platform.


  22. 22 | November 26, 2012 8:24 pm

    @ Mars:

    Soulstraw is bye bye.


  23. 23 | November 26, 2012 8:25 pm

    @ Mars:

    Mussolini was very popular with the Hollywood and Jet set crowds back in the 20′s and 30′s.


  24. Lily
    24 | November 26, 2012 8:25 pm

    Calo wrote:

    Strange things in the air here today …

    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2012/11/26/pravda-bye-bye-miss-american-pie/#comment-1123617

    GOOD HEAVENS! I see we have rational obama voter posting/NOT!
    Of course rational and obama voter don’t go well in the same sentence.
    Remember I warned you about obama voters. ;)


  25. Dolphin
    25 | November 26, 2012 8:26 pm

    @ Calo:
    WOW! Had read most of the comments earlier today and then got sidetracked with that crazy thing called work – lol.

    Don’t remember that poster from any previous posts. Maybe it is another persona of ferb.

    ;)

    Again, just WOW!


  26. Mars
    26 | November 26, 2012 8:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Soulstraw is bye bye.

    Outstanding.
    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Mussolini was very popular with the Hollywood and Jet set crowds back in the 20′s and 30′s.

    Let’s not forget he was also quite popular with FDR.


  27. 27 | November 26, 2012 8:27 pm

    @ Dolphin:
    @ Lily:

    He’s gone.


  28. Lily
    28 | November 26, 2012 8:27 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Calo wrote:

    Strange things in the air here today …
    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2012/11/26/pravda-bye-bye-miss-american-pie/#comment-1123617

    Umm, sorry but the mods should ban that one. His rant was vicious and completely insane. I don’t mind people disagreeing, but cowardly little scumbags signing up just to go off on their schizo tangent on a dead thread need banned.

    Oh no keep it there!!! That is how an obama voter comes across! Really and in real life too. He misses the point that it was a Pravada piece ….now that I find amusing.


  29. Lily
    29 | November 26, 2012 8:30 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Oh I’m sure…but good grief..trying to make the murderous Stalin into a *good guy* is a bit much. *GAG*


  30. Mars
    30 | November 26, 2012 8:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    Strange things in the air here today …
    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2012/11/26/pravda-bye-bye-miss-american-pie/#comment-1123617
    Umm, sorry but the mods should ban that one. His rant was vicious and completely insane. I don’t mind people disagreeing, but cowardly little scumbags signing up just to go off on their schizo tangent on a dead thread need banned.

    Oh no keep it there!!! That is how an obama voter comes across! Really and in real life too. He misses the point that it was a Pravada piece ….now that I find amusing.

    Really? I didn’t see in it’s ravings that it even noticed the article.

    GLad it’s gone.

    @Rodan
    Don’t forget Mussolini was also highly regarded by FDR too.


  31. Canoe Convoy
    31 | November 26, 2012 8:30 pm

    @ Mars:
    He needs to be struck with a Clue-by-Four of Truth™, in other words.


  32. 32 | November 26, 2012 8:31 pm

    @ Mars:
    @ Lily:

    Here is a tribute to Il Duce. Notice the Socialist style propaganda.

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lLb6ZABaM


  33. Lily
    33 | November 26, 2012 8:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:

    They are now trying to redeem Hitler. Many on the Left are admitting, he was one of them.

    Yep just like Stone says in the piece…”Let’s take a walk in Hitler and Stalin’s shoes” HELL NO!!! They were sheer evil…..


  34. Canoe Convoy
    34 | November 26, 2012 8:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Oh I’m sure…but good grief..trying to make the murderous Stalin into a *good guy* is a bit much. *GAG*

    One of the biggest problems with revisionist history is that, all too often, it is turned into “Hate Whitey” history, or “The West Is Bad” history. One cannot take modern day sensibilities and apply them all over the past. One has to study history in order to learn from mistakes.


  35. Lily
    35 | November 26, 2012 8:34 pm

    @ Rodan:

    He/she sounds just like an obama voter I have come into contact with!
    They are rabid and for some reason don’t realize obama got re-elected and have the need to tell you to get over it! That post is a perfect example of what we are dealing with. IMO.


  36. 36 | November 26, 2012 8:35 pm

    @ Lily:

    If Hitler never turned on Stalin, we would be reading how he was a heroic Socialist.


  37. Lily
    37 | November 26, 2012 8:39 pm

    @ Mars:

    Well it was going on and on about the piece about obama being called a communist so I figured it was reacting to the Pravada article. Which is pure irony in my opinion..then it just went off the deep end with all it’s pent up anger. Ah well. At least a few people saw what an obama voter is like….


  38. Lily
    38 | November 26, 2012 8:41 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The propaganda is straight in your face on that one! ;)


  39. 39 | November 26, 2012 8:42 pm

    @ Lily:

    Obama has been turned into a cult figure.


  40. Lily
    40 | November 26, 2012 8:43 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Oh I’m sure…but good grief..trying to make the murderous Stalin into a *good guy* is a bit much. *GAG*

    One of the biggest problems with revisionist history is that, all too often, it is turned into “Hate Whitey” history, or “The West Is Bad” history. One cannot take modern day sensibilities and apply them all over the past. One has to study history in order to learn from mistakes.

    I’m glad I got books..besides even taking modern day thinking against Stalin and Hitler dear heavens they still are evil.


  41. Bumr50
    41 | November 26, 2012 8:44 pm

    @ Lily:

    It’s IntenseDebate profile shows that it’s part of a very transient species.


  42. Lily
    42 | November 26, 2012 8:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    If Hitler never turned on Stalin, we would be reading how he was a heroic Socialist.

    I don’t know….too many dead bodies around the both of them to carry that one off!


  43. Lily
    43 | November 26, 2012 8:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Obama has been turned into a cult figure.

    Well from the news today I would say he’s gone from cult to a replacing our lord and savior. Then a painting of him on the cross..both is scary to be honest. Everyday the weird just keeps getting weirder. I think with obama we’ve gone into new terrain.


  44. Calo
    44 | November 26, 2012 8:47 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I saw you lamenting the loss of young voters to the GOP earlier today.

    I only have anecdotal evidence that it may not be so from the heart of Texas.

    But, I have two teenagers, neither one of them or their circle of friends supported Obama. Those that were old enough to vote, cast their ballot for Romney.

    Of course, they all go off to college next year, so who knows how they’ll vote next time.


  45. Lily
    45 | November 26, 2012 8:48 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    It’s IntenseDebate profile shows that it’s part of a very transient species.

    Oh indeed. It was just so :shock:


  46. Dolphin
    46 | November 26, 2012 8:49 pm

    @ Rodan:
    IMO he has been from the start and the msm promoted him as such. Much the same as you have been preaching over the past 4-6 years.


  47. Canoe Convoy
    47 | November 26, 2012 8:53 pm

    @ Calo:
    There may still be some hope for the future generations.

    For far too many others, though, they screwed the rest of us with their desire for Free Stuff™. They voted for folks like me, folks who are entering the prime wealth-producing years of life, to be poor. This deeply disappoints me. This will be the beginning of the 5th year that I will be underemployed. folks who voted for the O, have basically voted for guys like me to suffer through four more years of scraping paycheck to paycheck, with periods of unemployment in between. :(


  48. Canoe Convoy
    48 | November 26, 2012 8:54 pm

    @ Canoe Convoy:
    It is for reasons and sentiments such as these, that I have written that our nation is off to the Hunger Games.

    And to think, we used to use the Moon as a driving range.


  49. Lily
    49 | November 26, 2012 8:54 pm

    And the weird just keep getting weirder….
    right on cue too…

    Tingles Compares Conservatives Unhappy With Election Results To … Wait For It …. Hitler!…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/26/tingles-compares-conservatives-unhappy-with-election-results-to-wait-for-it-hitler/


  50. 50 | November 26, 2012 8:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I don’t know….too many dead bodies around the both of them to carry that one off!

    Stalin was, by far, the bigger butcher.


  51. Speranza
    51 | November 26, 2012 8:55 pm

    Oliver Stone’s son converted to Islam.


  52. Speranza
    52 | November 26, 2012 8:56 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I saw this in the Scheduling Guide yesterday as a suggestion for something I might like. The minute I saw Oliver Stone in the credits I realized it would be garbage, advancing an anti-American theory. This is from the same network that took over the Ronald Reagan movie after CBS had to push it from their prime time line up when the natives took up the pitchforks and surrounded the network.
    I’m thinking it will have probably less viewership than “Game Change” was on HBO, but will win a shitload of Emmys (just like Game Change did because it vilified Sarah Palin).

    It was revisionism at its worst. I tried watching the first episode and turned it off after 25 minutes. It was disgusting.


  53. Speranza
    53 | November 26, 2012 8:57 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I don’t know….too many dead bodies around the both of them to carry that one off!

    Stalin was, by far, the bigger butcher.

    Comparing Stalin to Hitler as to who was worse is like comparing Rosie O’Donnell to Roseanne Barr as to who is more repulsive. Take your pick!


  54. 54 | November 26, 2012 8:58 pm

    The New York Times is a cruel mistress.


  55. Canoe Convoy
    55 | November 26, 2012 8:59 pm

    @ Speranza:
    agreed


  56. Lily
    56 | November 26, 2012 8:59 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    @ Calo:
    There may still be some hope for the future generations.

    For far too many others, though, they screwed the rest of us with their desire for Free Stuff™. They voted for folks like me, folks who are entering the prime wealth-producing years of life, to be poor. This deeply disappoints me. This will be the beginning of the 5th year that I will be underemployed. folks who voted for the O, have basically voted for guys like me to suffer through four more years of scraping paycheck to paycheck, with periods of unemployment in between.

    True…I am finding it very hard to be sympathic to any obama voter..not to mention if they tell me to get over it one more time…let’s just say when I’m not complaining and not telling you how I feel to be told to “Just get over it!” I’ll let all that pent-up annoyance out then maybe I can get back to being left alone with my own opinions kept to myself.
    /I do share my opinions here but in real life I basically keep to myself especially among obama voters. Nothing good could come from it. ;)


  57. Dolphin
    57 | November 26, 2012 8:59 pm

    @ Calo:
    My stepson only told hubby that he (hubby) wouldn’t be happy with who he (ss) voted for. As far as my position, ss is cut off. Made hubby tell him that he is responsible for his own car insurance and for hubby to tell grandma to quit rescuing him. Knowing them it won’t happen, but at least it isn’t coming out of my pocket.

    BTW – both hubby and grandma are conservatives (or claim they are – hubby’s father is rolling in his grave).


  58. Speranza
    58 | November 26, 2012 9:00 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I’m thinking it will have probably less viewership than “Game Change” was on HBO, but will win a shitload of Emmys (just like Game Change did because it vilified Sarah Palin).

    In the book “Game Change”, Palin was not that huge a subject although in the HBO series she dominates the entire series.


  59. Da_Beerfreak
    59 | November 26, 2012 9:00 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    I don’t know….too many dead bodies around the both of them to carry that one off!
    Stalin was, by far, the bigger butcher.

    Comparing Stalin to Hitler as to who was worse is like comparing Rosie O’Donnell to Roseanne Barr as to who is more repulsive. Take your pick!

    Two sides of the same coin. :evil:


  60. Lily
    60 | November 26, 2012 9:00 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I don’t know….too many dead bodies around the both of them to carry that one off!

    Stalin was, by far, the bigger butcher.

    Both were butchers…Stalin hung around longer is the only reason his count is higher not to mention he really started off with a bang too.


  61. Lily
    61 | November 26, 2012 9:01 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Oliver Stone’s son converted to Islam.

    Good grief…


  62. 62 | November 26, 2012 9:01 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Oliver Stone’s son converted to Islam.

    Oh yeah, that’s right. Was it in Iran?


  63. Bumr50
    63 | November 26, 2012 9:02 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    I know I think of it as a transvestite lesbian hooker that looks something like Helen Thomas.:-)


  64. Mars
    64 | November 26, 2012 9:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It’s IntenseDebate profile shows that it’s part of a very transient species.

    Oh indeed. It was just so

    Pretty sure it was Chris Matthews.


  65. Speranza
    65 | November 26, 2012 9:02 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    The New York Times is a cruel mistress.

    The New York Times when I first started reading it in the 1970′s although a liberal newspaper, was a stuffy type of liberal newspaper (“The Gray Lady”) but it was always an interesting newspaper, and very well written and edited. Now under the malign influence of “Pinch” Sulzberger it has become a parody of itself.


  66. Lily
    66 | November 26, 2012 9:02 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I saw this in the Scheduling Guide yesterday as a suggestion for something I might like. The minute I saw Oliver Stone in the credits I realized it would be garbage, advancing an anti-American theory. This is from the same network that took over the Ronald Reagan movie after CBS had to push it from their prime time line up when the natives took up the pitchforks and surrounded the network.
    I’m thinking it will have probably less viewership than “Game Change” was on HBO, but will win a shitload of Emmys (just like Game Change did because it vilified Sarah Palin).

    It was revisionism at its worst. I tried watching the first episode and turned it off after 25 minutes. It was disgusting.

    Well I know I’m not going to watch it for sure. To make Stalin a good guy…dear me…my language would not have been lady like. So I shall spare myself the grief.


  67. Speranza
    67 | November 26, 2012 9:02 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Oliver Stone’s son converted to Islam.

    Oh yeah, that’s right. Was it in Iran?

    Yes it was. Good memory!


  68. Lily
    68 | November 26, 2012 9:03 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I don’t know….too many dead bodies around the both of them to carry that one off!

    Stalin was, by far, the bigger butcher.

    Comparing Stalin to Hitler as to who was worse is like comparing Rosie O’Donnell to Roseanne Barr as to who is more repulsive. Take your pick!

    Exactly..one just out-lived the other. Both were butchers.


  69. Speranza
    69 | November 26, 2012 9:04 pm

    In a perfect cosmos, Oliver Stone would be transported back in time to Stalin’s U.S.S.R. circa 1937-38.


  70. 70 | November 26, 2012 9:05 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    I know I think of it as a transvestite lesbian hooker that looks something like Helen Thomas.:-)

    Or Arnold Schwarzenegger’s maid.


  71. Speranza
    71 | November 26, 2012 9:06 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    MacDuff wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    I don’t know….too many dead bodies around the both of them to carry that one off!
    Stalin was, by far, the bigger butcher.
    Comparing Stalin to Hitler as to who was worse is like comparing Rosie O’Donnell to Roseanne Barr as to who is more repulsive. Take your pick!

    Two sides of the same coin.

    Adolf Hitler (1889 -1945) and Joesph Stalin (1879 -1953) feared, hated, and admired each other. In a sense they were blood brothers.


  72. Lily
    72 | November 26, 2012 9:06 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It’s IntenseDebate profile shows that it’s part of a very transient species.

    Oh indeed. It was just so

    Pretty sure it was Chris Matthews.

    LOL! Could have been. But really just sounded like your run of the mill obama voter. Hysterical.


  73. 73 | November 26, 2012 9:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    In a perfect cosmos, Oliver Stone would be transported back in time to Stalin’s U.S.S.R. circa 1937-38.

    Right along with ‘bammie.


  74. Speranza
    74 | November 26, 2012 9:07 pm

    What the fuck is wrong with Showtime (owned by the way by C.B.S.)? What makes them give any credence to Oliver Stone as a “historian”?


  75. Speranza
    75 | November 26, 2012 9:07 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    In a perfect cosmos, Oliver Stone would be transported back in time to Stalin’s U.S.S.R. circa 1937-38.

    Right along with ‘bammie.

    Barry belongs in Pol Pot’s Cambodia circa 1975.


  76. 76 | November 26, 2012 9:08 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Adolf Hitler (1889 -1945) and Joesph Stalin (1879 -1953) feared, hated, and admired each other. In a sense they were blood brothers.

    In the way gila monsters love each other.


  77. Speranza
    77 | November 26, 2012 9:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Exactly..one just out-lived the other. Both were butchers.

    Stalin was almost as anti-Semitic as Hitler.


  78. Lily
    78 | November 26, 2012 9:09 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    In a perfect cosmos, Oliver Stone would be transported back in time to Stalin’s U.S.S.R. circa 1937-38.

    Oh make it in Poland between 1938 and 1946 that way he could really *feel* what Hitler and Stalin were both like. Yep that’s the ticket. I mean if he wants to step in the shoes of Hitler and Stalin. Those are the years and the country I would pick. Poor Poland suffered horribly under both.


  79. Speranza
    79 | November 26, 2012 9:10 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Adolf Hitler (1889 -1945) and Joesph Stalin (1879 -1953) feared, hated, and admired each other. In a sense they were blood brothers.

    In the way gila monsters love each other.

    They admired each others ruthlessness. Hitler admired the way Stalin killed off the Red Army leadership in 1937-38 and Stalin admired the way Hitler wiped out the leadership of the Brown Shirts (the S.A.) in 1934 during the “Night of the Long Knives”.


  80. Speranza
    80 | November 26, 2012 9:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Oh make it in Poland between 1938 and 1946 that way he could really *feel* what Hitler and Stalin were both like. Yep that’s the ticket. I mean if he wants to step in the shoes of Hitler and Stalin. Those are the years and the country I would pick. Poor Poland suffered horribly under both.

    Poland (Israel too) is the very definition of a nation located in a horrible and deranged neighborhood – Russia to the East and Germany to the West.


  81. Lily
    81 | November 26, 2012 9:12 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Exactly..one just out-lived the other. Both were butchers.

    Stalin was almost as anti-Semitic as Hitler.

    Of course he was….Stalin knew damn well what Hitler was doing to the Jewish people ..he just didn’t see Hitler stabbing him in the back. It was all cool up to then.


  82. 82 | November 26, 2012 9:12 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    What the fuck is wrong with Showtime (owned by the way by C.B.S.)? What makes them give any credence to Oliver Stone as a “historian”?

    Last night I watched a very interesting documentary on CNN produced by HBO on the Mumbai islamic terrorist attacks. What was most interesting to me were the recordings of the terrorists’ telephone conversations with their controllers, which were many. It was well done but at the end stupid Fareed Zakaria appears like a pakistani crypt keeper with his bobble-head imploring us to ‘help’ the poor oppressed islamics from becoming depraved mass murderers.


  83. Speranza
    83 | November 26, 2012 9:13 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Of course he was….Stalin knew damn well what Hitler was doing to the Jewish people ..he just didn’t see Hitler stabbing him in the back. It was all cool up to then.

    He wanted Germany and the West to wear each other out in war and he would swoop in at the end for the spoils.


  84. Lily
    84 | November 26, 2012 9:14 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Oh make it in Poland between 1938 and 1946 that way he could really *feel* what Hitler and Stalin were both like. Yep that’s the ticket. I mean if he wants to step in the shoes of Hitler and Stalin. Those are the years and the country I would pick. Poor Poland suffered horribly under both.

    Poland (Israel too) is the very definition of a nation located in a horrible and deranged neighborhood — Russia to the East and Germany to the West.

    No kidding. Poland really suffered in WWII….talk about bad neighbors.. dear heavens.


  85. Speranza
    85 | November 26, 2012 9:14 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Last night I watched a very interesting documentary on CNN produced by HBO on the Mumbai islamic terrorist attacks. What was most interesting to me were the recordings of the terrorists’ telephone conversations with their controllers, which were many. It was well done but at the end stupid Fareed Zakaria appears like a pakistani crypt keeper with his bobble-head imploring us to ‘help’ the poor oppressed islamics from becoming depraved mass murderers.

    I had seen that documentary before. Fareed Zakaria, an Indian Muslim, is an Islamic sympathizer and I cannot stand him. Obama was photographed once carrying his book. By the way the captured Islamic Mumbai terrorist was hanged last week.


  86. 86 | November 26, 2012 9:15 pm

    @ Calo:

    Hopefully they don’t fall for the propaganda.


  87. Lily
    87 | November 26, 2012 9:16 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Of course he was….Stalin knew damn well what Hitler was doing to the Jewish people ..he just didn’t see Hitler stabbing him in the back. It was all cool up to then.

    He wanted Germany and the West to wear each other out in war and he would swoop in at the end for the spoils.

    Yep….


  88. 88 | November 26, 2012 9:16 pm

    @ Speranza:

    It was carved up by Prussia, Austria and Russia back in the 1700′s.


  89. Speranza
    89 | November 26, 2012 9:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    No kidding. Poland really suffered in WWII….talk about bad neighbors.. dear heavens.

    Poland never had a collaborationist government in World Ware II, France did.
    By the way did you know that Obama referred to France recently as our closet ally in the world? Yeah that’s right – France! Americans consider Britain,Canada, and Israel (in that order) to be our closest allies.


  90. 90 | November 26, 2012 9:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    By the way the captured Islamic Mumbai terrorist was hanged last week.

    Good. Good for India. Too bad Kahlid Sheik Mohammad won’t get the hot needle. What have we become??


  91. Lily
    91 | November 26, 2012 9:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Calo:

    Hopefully they don’t fall for the propaganda.

    My kids haven’t in fact they see it crystal clear. One is 30 and the other is 26. So yeah both of them would be considered conservative.


  92. 92 | November 26, 2012 9:18 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Oliver Stone would have done documentaries praising Stalin and Hitler.


  93. Calo
    93 | November 26, 2012 9:18 pm

    I better get off the internet tonight before I read any more crazy stuff.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/26/Time-honors-fluke-person-of-year


  94. 94 | November 26, 2012 9:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    Good for them. I just the GOP would stop dismissing younger voters. We have to replenish our ranks. I thought its self defeating. But not many share my view.


  95. 95 | November 26, 2012 9:20 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Remember his Pro-Communist movie Salvador?


  96. Lily
    96 | November 26, 2012 9:21 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    No kidding. Poland really suffered in WWII….talk about bad neighbors.. dear heavens.

    Poland never had a collaborationist government in World Ware II, France did.
    By the way did you know that Obama referred to France recently as our closet ally in the world? Yeah that’s right — France! Americans consider Britain,Canada, and Israel (in that order) to be our closest allies.

    No didn’t hear that…France? Your kidding? No I know you aren’t.
    /no Poland didn’t have a collaborationist government like France..hence the reason if I could put Stone back into history it would be Poland circa: 1938-1946…..let him really *feel* history for a change.


  97. Lily
    97 | November 26, 2012 9:22 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    By the way the captured Islamic Mumbai terrorist was hanged last week.

    Good. Good for India. Too bad Kahlid Sheik Mohammad won’t get the hot needle. What have we become??

    I don’t know anymore but I do know it isn’t the Land of the Free like it use to be.


  98. Speranza
    98 | November 26, 2012 9:22 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    By the way the captured Islamic Mumbai terrorist was hanged last week.

    Good. Good for India. Too bad Kahlid Sheik Mohammad won’t get the hot needle. What have we become??

    Israel should take note of the Indian example of how to deal with terrorists.


  99. Speranza
    99 | November 26, 2012 9:23 pm

    I was listening (and looking at) Kirsten Powers before – what the hell did she see in Anthony Weiner that she dated him over 10 years ago?


  100. Mars
    100 | November 26, 2012 9:23 pm

    The cigar I mentioned last week. The Reagan. Special pairing with Rush’s Two if By Tea.

    Wish I could afford either one. Sounds great.


  101. Lily
    101 | November 26, 2012 9:23 pm

    Calo wrote:

    I better get off the internet tonight before I read any more crazy stuff.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/26/Time-honors-fluke-person-of-year

    Yep saw that …the crazy is stronger each and everyday now.


  102. 102 | November 26, 2012 9:24 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Charles Johnson would have been a collaborator of the Reich.


  103. Canoe Convoy
    103 | November 26, 2012 9:26 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Stone, a historian ?!? No! Daniel Boorstein, yes. Stephen Ambrose, yes. Jacques Barzun, yes. Suetonius, yes. Tacitius, yes. Josephus, yes. Richard Frank, yes. H. Roger Grant, yes. Don Hofsommer, yes. Harold Innis, yes. Not Oliver Stone.


  104. Lily
    104 | November 26, 2012 9:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Good for them. I just the GOP would stop dismissing younger voters. We have to replenish our ranks. I thought its self defeating. But not many share my view.

    You would be surprised those who are for you know gay marriage and all that stuff talk a good game but are not really good at actually voting. It is the conservative ones that are normally good about getting out and voting. If you are talking about the 30 and under crowd. Now I can’t say what they are like on the east and west coast though. That may very well be a different story.


  105. Speranza
    105 | November 26, 2012 9:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    No didn’t hear that…France? Your kidding? No I know you aren’t.
    /no Poland didn’t have a collaborationist government like France..hence the reason if I could put Stone back into history it would be Poland circa: 1938-1946…..let him really *feel* history for a change.

    Here you go Obama administration declares: ‘we have no greater ally than France’. What about Britain, Canada and Israel?


  106. 106 | November 26, 2012 9:26 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Israel should take note of the Indian example of how to deal with terrorists.

    Does Israel have the death penalty?


  107. Calo
    107 | November 26, 2012 9:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    Charles Johnson would have been a collaborator of the Reich.

    Even theoutsider denies reading LGF. :lol:


  108. lobo91
    108 | November 26, 2012 9:26 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Fareed Zakaria appears like a pakistani crypt keeper with his bobble-head imploring us to ‘help’ the poor oppressed islamics from becoming depraved mass murderers.

    I’m willing to help. I’ll even give them a choice of caliber.


  109. Speranza
    109 | November 26, 2012 9:27 pm

    Lily wrote:

    You would be surprised those who are for you know gay marriage and all that stuff talk a good game but are not really good at actually voting. It is the conservative ones that are normally good about getting out and voting. If you are talking about the 30 and under crowd. Now I can’t say what they are like on the east and west coast though. That may very well be a different story.

    I have known plenty of gay conservatives.


  110. lobo91
    110 | November 26, 2012 9:27 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Israel should take note of the Indian example of how to deal with terrorists.

    Does Israel have the death penalty?

    Only for Nazi war criminals.


  111. 111 | November 26, 2012 9:27 pm

    Calo wrote:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/26/Time-honors-fluke-person-of-year

    Amazing they didn’t just give it to Obama.


  112. Speranza
    112 | November 26, 2012 9:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Charles Johnson would have been a collaborator of the Reich.

    He would have been one of Lenin’s “useful idiots” and eventually would have wound up in the Lubyanka prison.


  113. Lily
    113 | November 26, 2012 9:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    Charles Johnson would have been a collaborator of the Reich.

    No doubt.


  114. Canoe Convoy
    114 | November 26, 2012 9:28 pm

    @ Speranza:
    She probably saw some “powerful politician,” or eloquent guy. Political power has always been some sort of aphrodisiac, as it makes some folks appear more “ambitious,” or something. The guy better have some ambition — he sure doesn’t have it in the looks department.


  115. Speranza
    115 | November 26, 2012 9:29 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/26/Time-honors-fluke-person-of-year
    Amazing they didn’t just give it to Obama.

    Sandra Fluke is one of the more repulsive “celebrities” that have been foisted on the nation.


  116. Speranza
    116 | November 26, 2012 9:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Charles Johnson would have been a collaborator of the Reich.

    He would have been one of Lenin’s “useful idiots” and eventually would have wound up in the Lubyanka prison.lobo91 wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Israel should take note of the Indian example of how to deal with terrorists.
    Does Israel have the death penalty?

    Only for Nazi war criminals.

    Or treason during war time.


  117. 117 | November 26, 2012 9:30 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yeah it’s different in Florida. For people under 35 it has become unacceptable to be a Republican, People view you as some hateful scold.

    It has nothing to do with Gay Marriage, it’s about just the disdain many Republicans have towards younger people. Reagan was never that way. But that was 30 years ago.


  118. Canoe Convoy
    118 | November 26, 2012 9:30 pm

    @ Speranza: Agreed. How any guy could find her attractive — well, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I certainly wouldn’t give her the time of day.


  119. Lily
    119 | November 26, 2012 9:30 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Dear heavens the man is so out of touch and the media isn’t reporting anything he does unless it makes him look good. Dear me…and we have another 4 years of him to go…..


  120. 120 | November 26, 2012 9:30 pm

    @ Speranza:

    She’s ugly.


  121. Calo
    121 | November 26, 2012 9:31 pm

    @ Speranza

    Wonder why she needs free birth control?

    She leaves a lot to be desired.


  122. Speranza
    122 | November 26, 2012 9:31 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    She probably saw some “powerful politician,” or eloquent guy. Political power has always been some sort of aphrodisiac, as it makes some folks appear more “ambitious,” or something. The guy better have some ambition — he sure doesn’t have it in the looks department.

    A dish like Kirsten Powers could have done a lot better then a guy who looks like Arnold Horshack from “Welcome Back Kotter”.


  123. Lily
    123 | November 26, 2012 9:31 pm

    Calo wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    Charles Johnson would have been a collaborator of the Reich.

    Even theoutsider denies reading LGF.

    I noticed that last night …but he did know about CJ and Pamela Geller…odd.


  124. Canoe Convoy
    124 | November 26, 2012 9:32 pm

    @ Rodan: Agreed.


  125. Speranza
    125 | November 26, 2012 9:32 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Speranza
    Wonder why she needs free birth control?
    She leaves a lot to be desired.

    I don’t think she could give it away if she stood on the docks and waited for the fleet to come in.


  126. Calo
    126 | November 26, 2012 9:32 pm

    @ Canoe Convoy:
    @ Rodan:

    GMTA


  127. Calo
    127 | November 26, 2012 9:33 pm

    @ Speranza:
    I smell a whiff of jealousy.


  128. 128 | November 26, 2012 9:33 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    @ Speranza: Agreed. How any guy could find her attractive — well, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I certainly wouldn’t give her the time of day.

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    She’s ugly.

    Calo wrote:

    @ Speranza
    Wonder why she needs free birth control?
    She leaves a lot to be desired.

    An NPR host comes to mind..


  129. 129 | November 26, 2012 9:34 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    @ Rodan: Agreed.

    There’s nothing attractive about her.


  130. Speranza
    130 | November 26, 2012 9:34 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Dear heavens the man is so out of touch and the media isn’t reporting anything he does unless it makes him look good. Dear me…and we have another 4 years of him to go…..

    It is going to be a dreary four years.
    Here’s hoping that something happens that neuters Obama and renders him politically impotent.


  131. 131 | November 26, 2012 9:34 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    She makes me throw up.


  132. Da_Beerfreak
    132 | November 26, 2012 9:34 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    By the way the captured Islamic Mumbai terrorist was hanged last week.
    Good. Good for India. Too bad Kahlid Sheik Mohammad won’t get the hot needle. What have we become??

    Too stupid to survive?? :evil:


  133. brookly red
    133 | November 26, 2012 9:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Only for Nazi war criminals.

    and Iranian nuclear experts…

    and Hamas commanders…


  134. Lily
    134 | November 26, 2012 9:35 pm

    @ Speranza:

    So have I..but I’m talking about heterosexuals promoting the so-called *gay* agenda. Not people who are actually gay and who are against those types of agendas. I wasn’t ragging on gay people at all. I’m talking about those 20-30 year olds who are all over the hot topic’s like gay marriage, abortion, class warfare, obamacare…they all talk a good game concerning these issues but they don’t get out and vote because of them. They don’t vote.


  135. 135 | November 26, 2012 9:35 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    A dish like Kirsten Powers could have done a lot better then a guy who looks like Arnold Horshack from “Welcome Back Kotter”.

    Maybe she likes nerds. What she needs to do is to lay off the hair bleach. She’s starting to look like Dana Perino and Calista Gingrich.


  136. Speranza
    136 | November 26, 2012 9:35 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I smell a whiff of jealousy.

    Wrong. Just bewilderment.


  137. Bumr50
    137 | November 26, 2012 9:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    OT update:

    3 Hunters Return

    Party at the fire hall!


  138. brookly red
    138 | November 26, 2012 9:36 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Too stupid to survive??

    no if he gets the needle he becomes a martyr… if he rots in a cell he becomes dust.


  139. Speranza
    139 | November 26, 2012 9:37 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Maybe she likes nerds. What she needs to do is to lay off the hair bleach. She’s starting to look like Dana Perino and Calista Gingrich.

    Dana Perino, another useless Fox commentator along with Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, and Dick Morris.


  140. 140 | November 26, 2012 9:37 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Wonder why she needs free birth control?

    Why does anyone? First off, it’s cheap as dirt and saying ‘no’ doesn’t cost a thing.


  141. Speranza
    141 | November 26, 2012 9:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    So have I..but I’m talking about heterosexuals promoting the so-called *gay* agenda. Not people who are actually gay and who are against those types of agendas. I wasn’t ragging on gay people at all. I’m talking about those 20-30 year olds who are all over the hot topic’s like gay marriage, abortion, class warfare, obamacare…they all talk a good game concerning these issues but they don’t get out and vote because of them. They don’t vote.

    We need to lay off that issue and let people make up their own minds. We cannot be thought of as the anti-gay Party.


  142. Speranza
    142 | November 26, 2012 9:39 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Wonder why she needs free birth control?

    Why does anyone? First off, it’s cheap as dirt and saying ‘no’ doesn’t cost a thing.

    She can pick up a pack of condoms at any Walgreens for what – $5???


  143. Mars
    143 | November 26, 2012 9:39 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The cigar I mentioned last week. The Reagan. Special pairing with Rush’s Two if By Tea.
    Wish I could afford either one. Sounds great.

    http://youtu.be/PTjgFNTC_2E


  144. Lily
    144 | November 26, 2012 9:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Yeah it’s different in Florida. For people under 35 it has become unacceptable to be a Republican, People view you as some hateful scold.

    It has nothing to do with Gay Marriage, it’s about just the disdain many Republicans have towards younger people. Reagan was never that way. But that was 30 years ago.

    I was using that as one of the social hot topics. They tend to be all over these topics and all down for them. These types tend to be vocal and be democrat but don’t vote.
    But from what I can tell I don’t see any Republican hate among them the conservatives around here. Not at all. I see more nastiness among the older crowd thinking 55 and older. They seem to be stuck in the 1960′s just like the crowd of younger ones that don’t vote they seem all over the hot topic social issues..it is the older group that thinks Republicans are evil.


  145. Speranza
    145 | November 26, 2012 9:41 pm

    Brigitte Gabriel is on Hannity – she talks 70 miles per hour. Slow down!!


  146. Mars
    146 | November 26, 2012 9:41 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    So have I..but I’m talking about heterosexuals promoting the so-called *gay* agenda. Not people who are actually gay and who are against those types of agendas. I wasn’t ragging on gay people at all. I’m talking about those 20-30 year olds who are all over the hot topic’s like gay marriage, abortion, class warfare, obamacare…they all talk a good game concerning these issues but they don’t get out and vote because of them. They don’t vote.

    We need to lay off that issue and let people make up their own minds. We cannot be thought of as the anti-gay Party.

    That’s what I wrote in a very heartfelt message to a childhood friend who is a strong republican working in DC. He’s also gay. He is in favor of gay marriage.


  147. Speranza
    147 | November 26, 2012 9:42 pm

    Lily wrote:

    ell I don’t see any Republican hate among them the conservatives around here.

    Neither do I – but it’s the perception that is killing us.


  148. 148 | November 26, 2012 9:42 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Hopefully he over reaches. The fact some are declaring him a god is a sign they may cross lines.


  149. Da_Beerfreak
    149 | November 26, 2012 9:42 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Too stupid to survive??

    no if he gets the needle he becomes a martyr… if he rots in a cell he becomes dust.

    Martyrs are a dime a dozen and way over rated. :twisted:


  150. 150 | November 26, 2012 9:42 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    She can pick up a pack of condoms at any Walgreens for what — $5???

    But that would be humiliating for law students to have to stoop to shopping at the evil Walgreens or CVS and laying out their own parents’ money for it, no less. The humanity! /Fluke off


  151. Speranza
    151 | November 26, 2012 9:42 pm

    Mars wrote:

    That’s what I wrote in a very heartfelt message to a childhood friend who is a strong republican working in DC. He’s also gay. He is in favor of gay marriage.

    I am a traditionalist but frankly it is not a subject that I care that much about or want to fall on my sword over.


  152. 152 | November 26, 2012 9:43 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Brigitte Gabriel is on Hannity — she talks 70 miles per hour. Slow down!!

    Lebanese women are like that. Even my Spanish speaking Lebanese relatives are like that.


  153. Lily
    153 | November 26, 2012 9:43 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Calo wrote:

    @ Speranza
    Wonder why she needs free birth control?
    She leaves a lot to be desired.

    I don’t think she could give it away if she stood on the docks and waited for the fleet to come in.

    Sure she could drunken sailors aren’t picky! 8-)


  154. Speranza
    154 | November 26, 2012 9:43 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    But that would be humiliating for law students to have to stoop to shopping at the evil Walgreens or CVS and laying out their own parents’ money for it, no less. The humanity! /Fluke off

    Yeah it is asking too much of a 31 year old student to pay for her own condoms – or expect her “lover” to do it.


  155. Speranza
    155 | November 26, 2012 9:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Brigitte Gabriel is on Hannity — she talks 70 miles per hour. Slow down!!

    Lebanese women are like that. Even my Spanish speaking Lebanese relatives are like that.

    Michelle Malkin also talks as if they are paying her by the word.


  156. 156 | November 26, 2012 9:44 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Rove and Morris need to go.


  157. Lily
    157 | November 26, 2012 9:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Dear heavens the man is so out of touch and the media isn’t reporting anything he does unless it makes him look good. Dear me…and we have another 4 years of him to go…..

    It is going to be a dreary four years.
    Here’s hoping that something happens that neuters Obama and renders him politically impotent.

    There is a good chance of that happening. No telling what these next 4 years hold …that is if we make through 12/21/12 ..LOL! ;)


  158. Mars
    158 | November 26, 2012 9:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    That’s what I wrote in a very heartfelt message to a childhood friend who is a strong republican working in DC. He’s also gay. He is in favor of gay marriage.
    I am a traditionalist but frankly it is not a subject that I care that much about or want to fall on my sword over.

    I’m with you. I am however still opposed to my ex getting married to her girlfriend./


  159. 159 | November 26, 2012 9:46 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Wonder why she needs free birth control?

    Why does anyone? First off, it’s cheap as dirt and saying ‘no’ doesn’t cost a thing.

    She can pick up a pack of condoms at any Walgreens for what — $5???

    Or she could drive any late-model Pontiac Aztek!


  160. Lily
    160 | November 26, 2012 9:46 pm

    @ Lily:

    Hmmmm just looking at those numbers 12/21/12 ….goes to 3+3+3 and then you come to the spiritual number 9. Odd. Oh well we will find out in due time. ;)


  161. Speranza
    161 | November 26, 2012 9:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Hopefully he over reaches. The fact some are declaring him a god is a sign they may cross lines.

    And most presidents second terms are worse then their first. By 2014 the nation will be so tired of him (hopefully) that he will be viewed with the traditional disdain of a lame duck. George W. Bush gave up on his presidency in the summer of 2005 after Katrina.


  162. Lily
    162 | November 26, 2012 9:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:

    She makes me throw up.

    That’s because you know her politic’s and you aren’t a drunken sailor on leave. ;)


  163. lobo91
    163 | November 26, 2012 9:47 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    But that would be humiliating for law students to have to stoop to shopping at the evil Walgreens or CVS and laying out their own parents’ money for it, no less. The humanity! /Fluke off

    Yeah it is asking too much of a 31 year old student to pay for her own condoms — or expect her “lover” to do it.

    She’s not a student anymore. She graduated in the spring and passed the California bar.

    And her boyfriend’s family is rich.


  164. brookly red
    164 | November 26, 2012 9:47 pm

    Lily wrote:

    .it is the older group that thinks Republicans are evil.

    whenever someone starts with that “evil” BS I ask them “oh, and killing babies is righteous?”

    and if I time it right I can move on their date while they are making an ass of themselves…


  165. Speranza
    165 | November 26, 2012 9:47 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I’m with you. I am however still opposed to my ex getting married to her girlfriend./

    At least you did not lose her to another guy! /


  166. 166 | November 26, 2012 9:48 pm

    @ Lily:

    But can the world live with a President Joe The Biden™? I think so!


  167. 167 | November 26, 2012 9:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Rove and Morris need to go.

    There are a lot of people on FOX who need to go. I say fire every single one of them and get some new blood.


  168. Speranza
    168 | November 26, 2012 9:49 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Lily:
    But can the world live with a President Joe The Biden™? I think so!

    Biden would do less damage then Obama as he would probably get himself accidentally locked in the men’s room for most of his term.


  169. brookly red
    169 | November 26, 2012 9:49 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Michelle Malkin also talks as if they are paying her by the word.

    they are.


  170. Lily
    170 | November 26, 2012 9:49 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    OT update:

    3 Hunters Return

    Party at the fire hall!

    Weren’t they missing all of one hour before people got concerned?


  171. Mars
    171 | November 26, 2012 9:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    But that would be humiliating for law students to have to stoop to shopping at the evil Walgreens or CVS and laying out their own parents’ money for it, no less. The humanity! /Fluke off
    Yeah it is asking too much of a 31 year old student to pay for her own condoms — or expect her “lover” to do it.

    She’s not a student anymore. She graduated in the spring and passed the California bar.
    And her boyfriend’s family is rich.

    And HUMONGOUS donors to the dem party.


  172. Canoe Convoy
    172 | November 26, 2012 9:49 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    I hear ya. The indignity of having to take care and be responsible for one’s own birth control — or, as many women tell men all the time, “Keep it in yer pants!”


  173. lobo91
    173 | November 26, 2012 9:50 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Rove and Morris need to go.

    There are a lot of people on FOX who need to go. I say fire every single one of them and get some new blood.

    I hear Keith Olbermann’s available…
    //


  174. Speranza
    174 | November 26, 2012 9:50 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Michelle Malkin also talks as if they are paying her by the word.

    they are.

    No they do not. This is not like Dicken’s days with his novel when he got paid by the length of them.


  175. Mars
    175 | November 26, 2012 9:50 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I’m with you. I am however still opposed to my ex getting married to her girlfriend./
    At least you did not lose her to another guy! /

    I think I would have preferred it. The fact she carried on a 6 month + affair with a severely unattractive woman was not pleasant.


  176. Lily
    176 | November 26, 2012 9:50 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Wonder why she needs free birth control?

    Why does anyone? First off, it’s cheap as dirt and saying ‘no’ doesn’t cost a thing.

    BINGO! Yet during this election you would have thought it was as pricey as GOLD. The ignorance and willfull ignorance at that was astounding.


  177. lobo91
    177 | November 26, 2012 9:50 pm

    @ Lily:

    Their cell phone battery probably died.


  178. Speranza
    178 | November 26, 2012 9:52 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Rove and Morris need to go.

    There are a lot of people on FOX who need to go. I say fire every single one of them and get some new blood.

    No I like Pat Cadell, Doug Schoen, Charles Krauthammer and Dennis Miller. I think Roger Ailes just snatched up every “conservative” who was available no matter how good they were as commenters. Oh I forgot, get rid of Pat Buchanan, Michelle Malkin, John Stossel, Rick Santorum, Andrew (9-11 Truther) Napolitano, Jeanine Pirro and Mike Shmuckabee.


  179. Bumr50
    179 | November 26, 2012 9:52 pm

    @ Macker:

    Silhouette.


  180. brookly red
    180 | November 26, 2012 9:52 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Biden would do less damage then Obama as he would probably get himself accidentally locked in the men’s room for most of his term.

    I can see Biden responding to the news that the Russians put missiles in Cuba by saying oh yeah lets build a hotel on Park place.


  181. Canoe Convoy
    181 | November 26, 2012 9:52 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Oh, that’s even more rich! “We can afford a mansion in the Correct Side of Town, but everyone else still has to pay for our birth control ! ” What a limousine leftist ! :(

    I think that just looking at her would be birth control enough — it is for me !


  182. 182 | November 26, 2012 9:53 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    I agree.


  183. Speranza
    183 | November 26, 2012 9:54 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I can see Biden responding to the news that the Russians put missiles in Cuba by saying oh yeah lets build a hotel on Park place.

    He would make some dumb Cuban joke.


  184. 184 | November 26, 2012 9:54 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Pat Cadell and Doug Schoen warned Republicans about this election. They turned out to be right.


  185. Speranza
    185 | November 26, 2012 9:55 pm

    Mars wrote:

    She’s not a student anymore. She graduated in the spring and passed the California bar.
    And her boyfriend’s family is rich.

    So let her boyfriend dip into his trust fund and buy some prophylactics for her.


  186. Speranza
    186 | November 26, 2012 9:56 pm

    Speaking of Fox I do like Bernie Goldberg although I wish O’Reilly would let him finish a sentence once in a while.
    Get rid of Geraldo Rivera and Shep Smith!!!!!!!!!!


  187. Lily
    187 | November 26, 2012 9:56 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    So have I..but I’m talking about heterosexuals promoting the so-called *gay* agenda. Not people who are actually gay and who are against those types of agendas. I wasn’t ragging on gay people at all. I’m talking about those 20-30 year olds who are all over the hot topic’s like gay marriage, abortion, class warfare, obamacare…they all talk a good game concerning these issues but they don’t get out and vote because of them. They don’t vote.

    We need to lay off that issue and let people make up their own minds. We cannot be thought of as the anti-gay Party.

    They didn’t go out and vote because of those issues is what I’m trying to tell you …they DON’T VOTE AT ALL. And trust me THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BRING IT UP over and over and over and over and over again. You can run from those issues all you want but the other side is going to bring it up. You can ignore and seem out of touch. The thing is they are always going to be the topic. Our side needs to know how to answer them that fits also with conservative views and doesn’t turn off conservatives or the middle of the road people. But first we need voter turn-out. That what was really lacking in this election …our side didn’t turn out and vote.


  188. Speranza
    188 | November 26, 2012 9:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Pat Cadell and Doug Schoen warned Republicans about this election. They turned out to be right.

    I like those guys as well as Kirsten Powers – my type of Democrats. I can disagree with them but they are not obnoxious.


  189. 189 | November 26, 2012 9:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    No I like Pat Cadell, Doug Schoen, Charles Krauthammer and Dennis Miller. I think Roger Ailes just snatched up every “conservative” who was available no matter how good they were as commenters. Oh I forgot, get rid of Pat Buchanan, Michelle Malkin, John Stossel, Rick Santorum, Andrew (9-11 Truther) Napolitano, Jeanine Pirro and Mike Shmuckabee.

    Definitely get ride of Pirro and take Martha McCallum and Megyn Kelly too. Napolitano was let go months ago for something possibly related to what Michael Scheuer might have said on his show, Freedom Watch. Shepard Smith has long needed to be shown the door. Thank god O’Reilly stopped bringing on that idiotic Russian word chick, holy crap, that was embarrassing.


  190. Lily
    190 | November 26, 2012 9:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    ell I don’t see any Republican hate among them the conservatives around here.

    Neither do I — but it’s the perception that is killing us.

    Low voter turn-out doesn’t help!


  191. lobo91
    191 | November 26, 2012 10:00 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Napolitano still appears on Fox News. I saw him this morning.


  192. Speranza
    192 | November 26, 2012 10:01 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Definitely get ride of Pirro and take Martha McCallum and Megyn Kelly too. Napolitano was let go months ago for something possibly related to what Michael Scheuer might have said on his show, Freedom Watch. Shepard Smith has long needed to be shown the door. Thank god O’Reilly stopped bringing on that idiotic Russian word chick, holy crap, that was embarrassing.

    Megyn Kelly is too much the prosecutor (which she once was). Andrew Napolitano is a certified loon who looks like some sort of consigliere from The Godfather. Stossel is a whiny little twerp and I cannot stand his voice. I like Dennis Miller although I cringe whenever he refers to O’Reilly as “Billy”. Also O’Reilly’s constant pimping of his books and “Factor gear” is so over the top.


  193. Lily
    193 | November 26, 2012 10:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    Hopefully he over reaches. The fact some are declaring him a god is a sign they may cross lines.

    BINGO Rodan…humble isn’t in that mans body…he will probably go a bridge too far. He believe’s in all this “he is the lord and the savior” crap because if he didn’t he would tell those people to knock it off…you aren’t hearing him do that now do ya? His ego is gonna be on steroids now.


  194. 194 | November 26, 2012 10:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Napolitano still appears on Fox News. I saw him this morning.

    He lost his show on FBN, so maybe now he’s a contributor or guest host. He’s a bit of a truther.


  195. Mars
    195 | November 26, 2012 10:02 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    No I like Pat Cadell, Doug Schoen, Charles Krauthammer and Dennis Miller. I think Roger Ailes just snatched up every “conservative” who was available no matter how good they were as commenters. Oh I forgot, get rid of Pat Buchanan, Michelle Malkin, John Stossel, Rick Santorum, Andrew (9-11 Truther) Napolitano, Jeanine Pirro and Mike Shmuckabee.
    Definitely get ride of Pirro and take Martha McCallum and Megyn Kelly too. Napolitano was let go months ago for something possibly related to what Michael Scheuer might have said on his show, Freedom Watch. Shepard Smith has long needed to be shown the door. Thank god O’Reilly stopped bringing on that idiotic Russian word chick, holy crap, that was embarrassing.

    I really don’t like O’Reilly. He represents everything unlikeable about our party.

    (Why did someone say we needed to get rid of Stossel? I read a lot of his stuff and he’s pretty solid common sense. Is his program different?)


  196. Speranza
    196 | November 26, 2012 10:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Napolitano still appears on Fox News. I saw him this morning.

    Via Wikipedia

    Napolitano hosted a libertarian talk show called Freedom Watch that aired daily, with new episodes on weekdays, on Fox Business Channel. Frequent guests on Freedom Watch were Congressman Ron Paul, financial commentator Peter Schiff, and Lew Rockwell. Napolitano has called himself the “Ayn Rand of Fox News” and has also promoted the works of Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and Ludwig von Mises on his program. The show originally aired once a week on Wednesdays at 2:00 pm on Fox News’ Strategy Room. On September 14, 2009 it became a show that airs three to four times a week. On June 12, 2010 it debuted as a weekly show on Fox Business. The show was dropped along with several programs in February 2012 when FBN revamped its entire primetime lineup.

    Miss Lindsey Graham on Greta bVan Sustern (another show that frankly is a bore).


  197. 197 | November 26, 2012 10:03 pm

    @ Speranza:
    I like Greta van Sustern, she’s a pretty decent interviewer. Geraldo should be banned for life. I listen to his radio show sometimes on WABC and he’s a total liberal moron.


  198. brookly red
    198 | November 26, 2012 10:04 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    Hopefully he over reaches. The fact some are declaring him a god is a sign they may cross lines.

    BINGO Rodan…humble isn’t in that mans body…he will probably go a bridge too far. He believe’s in all this “he is the lord and the savior” crap because if he didn’t he would tell those people to knock it off…you aren’t hearing him do that now do ya? His ego is gonna be on steroids now.

    pride commeth before the fall…


  199. Lily
    199 | November 26, 2012 10:04 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    .it is the older group that thinks Republicans are evil.

    whenever someone starts with that “evil” BS I ask them “oh, and killing babies is righteous?”

    and if I time it right I can move on their date while they are making an ass of themselves…

    LOL! Good comeback. ;)


  200. lobo91
    200 | November 26, 2012 10:04 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Megyn Kelly is too much the prosecutor (which she once was).

    She was never a prosecutor. She practiced corporate law.

    Kimberly Guilfoyle was a prosecutor, and so was Lis Wiehl.


  201. Speranza
    201 | November 26, 2012 10:06 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I really don’t like O’Reilly. He represents everything unlikeable about our party.

    (Why did someone say we needed to get rid of Stossel? I read a lot of his stuff and he’s pretty solid common sense. Is his program different?)

    O’Reilly is not a Republican, he seems more Libertarian. As for Stossel he is a whiny Social Dawrwinist who said “What’s wrong with Iran getting nukes, after all we lived with the USSR having nukes?”. Someone (I think Hannity) told the dummy that the USSR did not embrace “martyrdom”.


  202. Lily
    202 | November 26, 2012 10:06 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I’m with you. I am however still opposed to my ex getting married to her girlfriend./
    At least you did not lose her to another guy! /

    I think I would have preferred it. The fact she carried on a 6 month + affair with a severely unattractive woman was not pleasant.

    I can only imagine. Prayers to you! Yikes.


  203. Speranza
    203 | November 26, 2012 10:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Megyn Kelly is too much the prosecutor (which she once was).

    She was never a prosecutor. She practiced corporate law.
    Kimberly Guilfoyle was a prosecutor, and so was Lis Wiehl.

    That’s correct, I confused her with Guilfoyle.


  204. Lily
    204 | November 26, 2012 10:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Their cell phone battery probably died.

    Or they were out of range. First I have ever heard of calling the police on adults who are missing all of one hour! And the police taking it seriously to boot! That’s a first.


  205. Speranza
    205 | November 26, 2012 10:09 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I think I would have preferred it. The fact she carried on a 6 month + affair with a severely unattractive woman was not pleasant.

    It would have hurt me less if I lost her to another woman, I would rationalize it as “Hey there was nothing I could do about that, she swings the other way”. That’s just me.


  206. lobo91
    206 | November 26, 2012 10:09 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Their cell phone battery probably died.

    Or they were out of range. First I have ever heard of calling the police on adults who are missing all of one hour! And the police taking it seriously to boot! That’s a first.

    As I said, they’ll last maybe a week when the SHTF.


  207. Mars
    207 | November 26, 2012 10:10 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I really don’t like O’Reilly. He represents everything unlikeable about our party.
    (Why did someone say we needed to get rid of Stossel? I read a lot of his stuff and he’s pretty solid common sense. Is his program different?)

    O’Reilly is not a Republican, he seems more Libertarian. As for Stossel he is a whiny Social Dawrwinist who said “What’s wrong with Iran getting nukes, after all we lived with the USSR having nukes?”. Someone (I think Hannity) told the dummy that the USSR did not embrace “martyrdom”.

    That was a stupid comment.

    O’Reilly comes off as a smarmy asshole. And he proved several times (most notably when he interviewed ICP) that he’s not socially libertarian.


  208. lobo91
    208 | November 26, 2012 10:11 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That’s correct, I confused her with Guilfoyle.

    She’s the one who used to be married to Gavin Newsom.


  209. Lily
    209 | November 26, 2012 10:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Their cell phone battery probably died.

    Or they were out of range. First I have ever heard of calling the police on adults who are missing all of one hour! And the police taking it seriously to boot! That’s a first.

    As I said, they’ll last maybe a week when the SHTF.

    Where did this happen?


  210. Speranza
    210 | November 26, 2012 10:14 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I like Greta van Sustern, she’s a pretty decent interviewer. Geraldo should be banned for life. I listen to his radio show sometimes on WABC and he’s a total liberal moron.

    Greta has the same people over and over on her show – Donald Trump, Miss Lindsey Graham, Dick Morris, McCain, Palin, Gingrich, John Bolton, occasionally Rudy Giuliani.

    She just had Miss Lindsey Graham on. Shocker.


  211. Speranza
    211 | November 26, 2012 10:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That’s correct, I confused her with Guilfoyle.

    She’s the one who used to be married to Gavin Newsom.

    The former Mayor of San Francisco.


  212. lobo91
    212 | November 26, 2012 10:16 pm

    @ Speranza:

    And current Lt Governor of California.


  213. Speranza
    213 | November 26, 2012 10:17 pm

    Mars wrote:

    That was a stupid comment.

    O’Reilly comes off as a smarmy asshole. And he proved several times (most notably when he interviewed ICP) that he’s not socially libertarian.

    John Stossel is an extreme sort of libertarian, not as bad as Andrew Napolitano (a buddy of Alex Jones) but almost.


  214. Speranza
    214 | November 26, 2012 10:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    And current Lt Governor of California.

    Probably the next Governor of California.


  215. Mars
    215 | November 26, 2012 10:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    That was a stupid comment.
    O’Reilly comes off as a smarmy asshole. And he proved several times (most notably when he interviewed ICP) that he’s not socially libertarian.

    John Stossel is an extreme sort of libertarian, not as bad as Andrew Napolitano (a buddy of Alex Jones) but almost.

    Alex Jones is like a creepy stalker.


  216. Bumr50
    216 | November 26, 2012 10:18 pm

    @ Lily:

    SE of Pittsburgh, in a rural area.


  217. Lily
    217 | November 26, 2012 10:19 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    I’m surprised the police took it seriously after only one hour to be honest.


  218. Speranza
    218 | November 26, 2012 10:20 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Alex Jones is like a creepy stalker.

    Alex Jones needs to be put in a straitjacket.


  219. Bumr50
    219 | November 26, 2012 10:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    I bet they were having some beers, came out of the woods, and said “Holy sh*t!”

    Somebody’s significant other freaked out.


  220. Lily
    220 | November 26, 2012 10:23 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    No kidding. I’m sure I would be laughed at if I called the police here and said my husband is an hour late! They would say …and?
    “You know ma’am a lot of husbands stop off and have a beer before they get home.” Or “Ma’am an hour late doesn’t constitute being missing quite just yet.”


  221. brookly red
    221 | November 26, 2012 10:23 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    Alex Jones is like a creepy stalker.

    Alex Jones needs to be put in a straitjacket.

    LOL is alex bell still around?


  222. Mars
    222 | November 26, 2012 10:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Alex Jones is like a creepy stalker.

    Alex Jones needs to be put in a straitjacket.

    Yep, then he can be put in one of his “prison camps”.


  223. lobo91
    223 | November 26, 2012 10:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    And current Lt Governor of California.

    Probably the next Governor of California.

    That’s a job I wouldn’t take if you offered it to me.


  224. 224 | November 26, 2012 10:24 pm

    Didn’t Alex Jones once gin up a mob against Michelle Malkin? Why yes, yes he did.

    So it’s interesting that Malkin is being denounced here in the same breath as Napolitano . . . given that they most likely dislike each other.

    As for people Fox should or should not have on their network: meh. They’ve all had their best moments, and they’ve all had moments that are not so good.


  225. brookly red
    225 | November 26, 2012 10:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Bumr50:

    No kidding. I’m sure I would be laughed at if I called the police here and said my husband is an hour late! They would say …and?
    “You know ma’am a lot of husbands stop off and have a beer before they get home.” Or “Ma’am an hour late doesn’t constitute being missing quite just yet.”

    I think in NYC it is 24 hours (maybe 48) before you can report someone as missing…


  226. lobo91
    226 | November 26, 2012 10:26 pm

    @ brookly red:

    LOL is alex bell still around?

    You mean Art Bell?

    I think he’s still alive, but I don’t believe he’s doing radio anymore.


  227. brookly red
    227 | November 26, 2012 10:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That’s a job I wouldn’t take if you offered it to me.

    I would do it if I could work from home…


  228. brookly red
    228 | November 26, 2012 10:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    LOL is alex bell still around?

    You mean Art Bell?

    I think he’s still alive, but I don’t believe he’s doing radio anymore.

    yeah that guy… I think he invented the tin foil hat :)


  229. Mars
    229 | November 26, 2012 10:29 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/academic-interest-in-taboo-must-move-beyond-immediate-condemnation-20121127-2a4ev.html

    Coming to our country soon.

    In Australia they are now saying that the stigma needs to be removed from pedophilia so it can be studied properly.


  230. Lily
    230 | November 26, 2012 10:29 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Depending on the circumstances it is usually 24-48 hours before you can report an adult missing and have the police take it seriously. Now if there is suspious circumstances concerning it they might take a longer look at it before it hits the magically 24 to 48 hour time-line. And depending on the state maybe even 72 hours. But something has to be really off before they start to take it seriously …that is normally. But in this case I guess an hour was all it took.


  231. 231 | November 26, 2012 10:30 pm

    I’d take the job of governor of the Territory of California, if among the terms of the settlement were: that I would have it for six years, that I would have a force of loyal troops at my disposal, and that I would not be answerable to the elected representatives of that territory.

    I’d immediately hire Mencius Moldbug as my grand-vizier; I could think of certain others from ’round the ‘web I’d draft as satraps of this county or that.

    As long as California remains a State, under that State’s current political makeup, being governor of that region is a sucker’s game.


  232. 232 | November 26, 2012 10:31 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Alex Jones is like a creepy stalker.

    Alex Jones needs to be put in a straitjacket.

    Like Charles Johnson.


  233. lobo91
    233 | November 26, 2012 10:31 pm

    @ Mars:

    In Australia they are now saying that the stigma needs to be removed from pedophilia so it can be studied properly.

    I hereby offer the Australian pedophiles the same help I offered the Pakistani Muslims above.


  234. Lily
    234 | November 26, 2012 10:32 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/academic-interest-in-taboo-must-move-beyond-immediate-condemnation-20121127-2a4ev.html

    Coming to our country soon.

    In Australia they are now saying that the stigma needs to be removed from pedophilia so it can be studied properly.

    Really??? So children are free game now too? Like I said before “how far down the rabbit hole will this go?” concerning these issues.
    Why can’t they study them behind bars?


  235. Mars
    235 | November 26, 2012 10:34 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/academic-interest-in-taboo-must-move-beyond-immediate-condemnation-20121127-2a4ev.html
    Coming to our country soon.
    In Australia they are now saying that the stigma needs to be removed from pedophilia so it can be studied properly.

    Really??? So children are free game now too? Like I said before “how far down the rabbit hole will this go?” concerning these issues.
    Why can’t they study them behind bars?

    They say it’s because of the “instant revulsion” caused by the condemnation.

    Really sick.


  236. yenta-fada
    236 | November 26, 2012 10:35 pm

    Norway *unexpectedly* apologizes to Jews for WW2 treatment. major eyeroll. The King of Norway is a real piece of work regarding Israel.

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=293510


  237. brookly red
    237 | November 26, 2012 10:36 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/academic-interest-in-taboo-must-move-beyond-immediate-condemnation-20121127-2a4ev.html

    Coming to our country soon.

    In Australia they are now saying that the stigma needs to be removed from pedophilia so it can be studied properly.

    we have to pass it to see what’s in it :)

    seriously I am pro life to the point I don’t support the death penalty for homicide. But I would hang a pedophile from a lamppost faster than Domino’s could deliver a pizza.


  238. lobo91
    238 | November 26, 2012 10:38 pm

    @ brookly red:

    we have to pass it to see what’s in it

    My plan would make it easier to study what’s in their head.

    Trust me…


  239. Calo
    239 | November 26, 2012 10:39 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I’m still waiting for my shrimp burrito sans guacamole .


  240. brookly red
    240 | November 26, 2012 10:42 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I’m still waiting for my shrimp burrito sans guacamole .

    Dorian are it…

    yeah that’s the ticket.


  241. Calo
    241 | November 26, 2012 10:45 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Dorian probably counted out the shrimps. No extra illegal shrimp allowed in the burrito.


  242. brookly red
    242 | November 26, 2012 10:47 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Dorian probably counted out the shrimps. No extra illegal shrimp allowed in the burrito.

    there were 12, all of age…


  243. Calo
    243 | November 26, 2012 10:49 pm

    @ brookly red:
    That’s Tennessee math.

    Even us Texans know when you New Yorkers try to get one over on us slow talkers down South.


  244. brookly red
    244 | November 26, 2012 10:55 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    That’s Tennessee math.

    Even us Texans know when you New Yorkers try to get one over on us slow talkers down South.

    Hey don’t have a fur ball…


  245. 245 | November 26, 2012 10:57 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    @ Calo:
    There may still be some hope for the future generations.
    For far too many others, though, they screwed the rest of us with their desire for Free Stuff™. They voted for folks like me, folks who are entering the prime wealth-producing years of life, to be poor. This deeply disappoints me. This will be the beginning of the 5th year that I will be underemployed. folks who voted for the O, have basically voted for guys like me to suffer through four more years of scraping paycheck to paycheck, with periods of unemployment in between.

    Or you can move to Russia.

    Yes, Russia. That’s where we’ll probably end up.


  246. Calo
    246 | November 26, 2012 10:58 pm

    @ brookly red:
    :lol:

    Nah, just razzing Dorian from an earlier thread today.


  247. Calo
    247 | November 26, 2012 10:59 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    I’m curious, what are the requirements for a foreigner to move there?


  248. brookly red
    248 | November 26, 2012 11:00 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    @ Calo:
    There may still be some hope for the future generations.
    For far too many others, though, they screwed the rest of us with their desire for Free Stuff™. They voted for folks like me, folks who are entering the prime wealth-producing years of life, to be poor. This deeply disappoints me. This will be the beginning of the 5th year that I will be underemployed. folks who voted for the O, have basically voted for guys like me to suffer through four more years of scraping paycheck to paycheck, with periods of unemployment in between.

    Or you can move to Russia.

    Yes, Russia. That’s where we’ll probably end up.

    Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
    They leave the west behind
    And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
    That Georgia’s always on my my my my my my my my my mind


  249. 249 | November 26, 2012 11:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Hopefully he over reaches. The fact some are declaring him a god is a sign they may cross lines.
    BINGO Rodan…humble isn’t in that mans body…he will probably go a bridge too far. He believe’s in all this “he is the lord and the savior” crap because if he didn’t he would tell those people to knock it off…you aren’t hearing him do that now do ya? His ego is gonna be on steroids now.

    pride commeth before the fall…

    A fall that will take the US down with it.


  250. Mars
    250 | November 26, 2012 11:02 pm

    http://www.crn.com/news/security/240142520/report-u-s-launched-flame-based-malware-attack-against-france.htm?pXFz&wc=4&cid=sem_su&pQZz
    What the hell?

    According to the publication, L’Expresse, the attackers were able to access computers belonging to an adviser of former French president Nicolas Sarkozy, who was defeated in the election by Francois Hollande.

    The publication quoted an anonymous source who reportedly said the targeted information involved France’s relations in the Middle East and the ways in which the potential outcomes of the French election might impact those relations.

    The attackers reportedly identified individuals working at the presidential palace through Facebook and then used those connections to launch a phishing attack that eventually resulted in the theft of network login credentials. Once access had been secured, the report claims that the attackers then installed Flame malware and were eventually able to penetrate the computer of one of Sarkozy’s top aides.

    The Flame virus has been widely covered in the news, and it is able to gather a wide variety of information, including keystrokes, screen shots, audio and video of infected devices. It has allegedly been used by the United States and Israel against a number of countries in the Middle East.


  251. Mars
    251 | November 26, 2012 11:03 pm

    I’m not as optimistic as Rodan about the state of Russia. Too many people still disappearing in the night.


  252. 252 | November 26, 2012 11:05 pm

    @ Mars:

    I never said they were a free country. They are a Rightwing Capitalist Nationalist regime. This is Pinochet’s Chile on a bigger scale.


  253. brookly red
    253 | November 26, 2012 11:06 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    A fall that will take the US down with it.

    hey don’t blame me I didn’t vote for him… but like my judo coach said. roll over, get up and gut punch.


  254. 254 | November 26, 2012 11:08 pm

    I think America will come back. But it will not happen anytime soon. When we do, We will not be the world’s sucker. There will be some scores to settle. But that is far off.


  255. brookly red
    255 | November 26, 2012 11:09 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I’m not as optimistic as Rodan about the state of Russia. Too many people still disappearing in the night.

    hey people disappear here all the time, in broad daylight. Shit happens.


  256. 256 | November 26, 2012 11:09 pm

    New Thread.


  257. Mars
    257 | November 26, 2012 11:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I never said they were a free country. They are a Rightwing Capitalist Nationalist regime. This is Pinochet’s Chile on a bigger scale.

    I can agree with that.

    People should look up the list of people that have been killed investigating the FSB. After 3 people you no longer have a coincidence.

    One good point though, very soon Russia will have more freedom of religion than we will.


  258. brookly red
    258 | November 26, 2012 11:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I think America will come back. But it will not happen anytime soon. When we do, We will not be the world’s sucker. There will be some scores to settle. But that is far off.

    well not so fast, we are the land of instant gratification…shit could change (I hate this phrase) in a New York Minute.


  259. Mars
    259 | November 26, 2012 11:12 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I’m not as optimistic as Rodan about the state of Russia. Too many people still disappearing in the night.

    hey people disappear here all the time, in broad daylight. Shit happens.

    Not quite what I meant.


  260. 260 | November 26, 2012 11:13 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    I’m curious, what are the requirements for a foreigner to move there?

    Not sure yet. That’s something we need to look into. Probably we’ll go somewhere else first, then travel around a bit before we end up in Russia.

    Lily wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    ell I don’t see any Republican hate among them the conservatives around here.
    Neither do I — but it’s the perception that is killing us.

    Low voter turn-out doesn’t help!

    A lot of it is vote theft. The enemy rigged the machines to ignore our votes…and deep-sixed the military votes.

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Too stupid to survive??
    no if he gets the needle he becomes a martyr… if he rots in a cell he becomes dust.

    Martyrs are a dime a dozen and way over rated.

    He should have been shot on sight. Now they have to find some pretext to just make the POS disappear. Cement overshoes.


  261. 261 | November 26, 2012 11:16 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    I’m not as optimistic as Rodan about the state of Russia. Too many people still disappearing in the night.
    hey people disappear here all the time, in broad daylight. Shit happens.

    Not quite what I meant.

    If those who disappear are people associated with nefarious foreign influences (such as jihadis, US-backed or Soros-backed NGOs, or journalists who spread lies about Russia they way journalists still do about the Serbs – then Putin and company are doing the right thing.

    They MUST defend Russia’s sovereignty as a Christian nation – because they are the last fortress standing.


  262. 262 | November 26, 2012 11:17 pm

    Anybody see this?

    Stalin’s Sock Puppet


  263. Calo
    263 | November 26, 2012 11:20 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    I’m just curious.

    Some countries require you to show proof in the form of a bank account or other assets of being self-supporting without the host countries help.

    Meh, maybe Russia doesn’t.

    Good luck 1389.


  264. Mars
    264 | November 26, 2012 11:21 pm

    Store made ranch dressing has now been banned from school lunches in my nephews school. This is on the back of the juice.


  265. Guggi
    265 | November 27, 2012 3:43 am

    Lily wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    Strange things in the air here today …
    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2012/11/26/pravda-bye-bye-miss-american-pie/#comment-1123617
    GOOD HEAVENS! I see we have rational obama voter posting/NOT!
    Of course rational and obama voter don’t go well in the same sentence.
    Remember I warned you about obama voters.

    Pakimon wrote in August 2012:

    “Soulstraw” is an idiot that trolls right-leaning blogs occasionally with his bleats and blatherings.

    He had a blog but he abandoned it because people from the various blogs he trolls would follow him back to it and troll him.

    Hilarious stuff, watching him melt down and launch “black power” screeds against all the racist “crackas” invading his Obama worship website.

    And btw. ferb123 is a gambler who isn’t interested in politics but in gambling and betting.


  266. Guggi
    266 | November 27, 2012 3:47 am

    Lily wrote:

    Soulstraw

    Pakimon wrote about “soulstraw” at DoD in August:

    “Soulstraw” is an idiot that trolls right-leaning blogs occasionally with his bleats and blatherings.

    He had a blog but he abandoned it because people from the various blogs he trolls would follow him back to it and troll him.

    Hilarious stuff, watching him melt down and launch “black power” screeds against all the racist “crackas” invading his Obama worship website.

    Btw: ferb123 is a gambler who is not interested in politics but in gambling and betting. He couldn’t care less about who is president in the U.S.A. of America or elsewhere in the world. His only desire is to make as much money from elections/economic decisions as he can.


  267. Guggi
    267 | November 27, 2012 3:48 am

    All my postings disappear. Interesting.


  268. Guggi
    268 | November 27, 2012 3:50 am

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ Calo:
    WOW! Had read most of the comments earlier today and then got sidetracked with that crazy thing called work — lol.
    Don’t remember that poster from any previous posts. Maybe it is another persona of ferb.

    Again, just WOW!

    No he isn’t, he started posting here and at DoD at August 2012.


  269. Purre
    269 | November 27, 2012 6:01 am

    @ Lily:
    Stalin was refusing to see that Hitler was betraying him. Even though German diplomats left Soviet Union, reconnaissance planes violated Soviet airspace, German merchant ships left Soviet waters, Stalin was adamant that Germany was not going to attack. Surely his best pal would not betray him, after all. And so Red Army was caught its pants down.


  270. Speranza
    270 | November 27, 2012 6:48 am

    Zimriel wrote:

    So it’s interesting that Malkin is being denounced here in the same breath as Napolitano . . . given that they most likely dislike each other.

    One has nothing to do with the other.


  271. 271 | November 27, 2012 10:45 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    I’m just curious.
    Some countries require you to show proof in the form of a bank account or other assets of being self-supporting without the host countries help.
    Meh, maybe Russia doesn’t.
    Good luck 1389.

    I don’t know for sure about Russia, but that’s an eventual goal, not an immediate one.

    I do know that to get into Chile, you must arrive with a round-trip ticket (in case you can’t make a go of it – Chile is not a welfare state). Then if you have a clean record you can apply for work and get a work permit without too much difficulty. You need a little cash to get started; we will have to sell off what little we have in the way of assets (other than our retirement funds).


  272. 272 | November 27, 2012 10:47 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I never said they were a free country. They are a Rightwing Capitalist Nationalist regime. This is Pinochet’s Chile on a bigger scale.

    There is freedom for the individual to make a living, to worship, to do all of the things that normal people want to do. What they do not have and should not have is freedom to subvert the government to set up a totalitarian socialist (and/or Islamic) regime.


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