The Syrian rebels, you know the ones that the Obama Democrats and the GOP Establishment love, continue to reveal their Islamist intentions. In parts of Aleppo that they control they have declared an Islamic state.
BEIRUT – A group of extremist Islamist factions in Syria has rejected the country’s new opposition coalition, saying in a video statement they have formed an “Islamic state” in the embattled city of Aleppo to underline that they want nothing to do with the Western-backed bloc.
The video appears to be a reaction to the Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces, formed Nov. 11 in Qatar to unify groups trying to topple the regime of President Bashar Assad. The coalition is led by a popular Muslim cleric and is seen as a way to counter the growing influence of Islamic extremists in the 20-month old rebellion that has claimed more than 36,000 lives.
The statement by 13 radical factions that was posted on a militant website late Sunday suggested the extremist elements — including the Al Qaeda-inspired Jabhat al-Nusra — are suspicious of the new coalition. They rejected what they said was a “foreign project” and declared the northern city of Aleppo, where many radical groups have been fighting, an “Islamic state.”
“We are the representatives of the fighting formations in Aleppo and we declare our rejection of the conspiratorial project, the so-called national alliance,” the statement said. “We have unanimously agreed to urgently establish an Islamic state and to reject any foreign project.” The authenticity of the video could not be independently confirmed, but it was released on a website that carries Al Qaeda and other militant statements
Tags: Syrian Islamists, Syrian War
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Hopefully the muslims will battle for control of the caliphate, God help us if they work together.
And it is heartbreaking that “hope” is the only thing standing in thier way.
same game, different players….they just take turns slaughtering each other….if there is a moderate Muslim, he’s probably a Hollywood liberal
These are McCain’s freinds.
@ Prebanned:
Hope isn’t the only thing standing in their way. The bloody-mindedness of the Mohammedans will go a long way towards keeping them from establishing their Caliphate. They kill each other with great joy. There was a bombing the other day in Pakistan that the Taliban took credit for that killed several people. The Taliban bombed a religious procession. A MOhammedan religious procession. They have a religion founded on hate and evil. It is natural that they back-stab each other incessantly.
@ heysoos:
Both parties love these guys!
Our President does not say a word when Morsi…makes himself Supreme leader of Egypt…I have no doubt the Caliphate will form very soon.
@ Iron Fist:
They busted 5 al-Qaeda guys in Lebanon planning to bomb a Hizballah led Shia Ashura procession. I wish they had not been caught. I love the whole Hizballah vs. Al-Qaeda fight!
@ Rodan:
Actually, McCain’s heros are al Qaeda in Libya. The same fine folks that killed our ambassador. In case anyone was of the mistaken impression that McCain was trying to get to the bottom of what really happened in Benghazi, instead of being there to give “bi-partisan” cover to the Administration.
Storagemanager wrote:
Obama with support from the GOP Establishment loves the Caliphate!
@ Iron Fist:
McCain has been Obama’s biggest enabler.
Rodan wrote:
how soon before BO condemns Morsi?….like never
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/110447/why-did-anyone-ever-believe-mohammad-morsi-was-moderate#
Jeb Porky Bush in 2016 will claim the Caliphate is peaceful and wants Democracy!
Rodan wrote:
As I said they are progressive”s….all progressives are in the same party….the progressive party….until the America people see that…nothing will ever change.
Rodan wrote:
Yeah, the more the bad guys slaughter each other, the better it is for us. It’s tough for the people who live in the Mohammedan world, but life isn’t fair. If they weren’t brigands, then they wouldn’t be Mohammedans. All Islam is is 7th Century barbarism codified into “religious” law. It is the Rules for brigands on how to divide the spoils of conquest, and they can’t (like all brigands, everywhere) even wait until the conquest is finised to start the fight over the spoils.
Most liberals and lefties in Europe hold the opinion that the “West” should let them become “islamized” and then the people will figure out that they don’t want them and will start to drive them out. If you counter this with the question: “how did this work in Iran ?” you get the answer: people didn’t try it hard enough.
@ Storagemanager:
I agree. What the Progressives in the GOP do is throw out red meat social issues to trick Conservatives into supporting them. But is you observe their fiscal and foreign polcies, the Democrats and Republicans are identical.
@ Iron Fist:
They are their own worse enemies!
@ Guggi:
Hey let Germany go nazi, they will turn against it eventually!
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That’s their logic.
@ Guggi:
Ah… the same logic they use for Communism and Socialism. We just didn’t try hard enough. Ya can’t fix stupid…
All progressives have one thing in common….the Constitution is full of negative rights..and must be changed or rewritten to give the government more power to help the people.
Rodan wrote:
I’m sure I’m boring some folks, but it’s refreshing to hear others express the same feelings I have which are pretty far out for most people…this partisanship gig is a fraud…the feds are not your friend….both parties will screw you over in a heartbeat…it’s all one mammoth game and the electorate are just one facet of manipulation….why doesn’t some teenager invent a voting machine that works?…well?….the giant pot of wealth that the feds feed on is neither R or D…and yet it is both….the truth has no more value than a lie
@ heysoos:
I had been feeling this for a while. Seeing how many Republicans decided to go into a bubble after the loss instead of addressing what is wrong with the GOP made me realzie how useless it all is. The whole D vs. R is a sham. I wish the GOP would get its act together, but its not happening.
MikeA wrote:
Yes, it didn’t work in Russia becasue it was done wrong. But we will get it right in America!
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That is what the Left tells themselves.
marxism is a progressive doctrine …most people can’t see that…they are one in the same…always were….100 years or more….the same.
Guggi wrote:
Such is the real “compassion” of the Liberal for those in the Third World. If they aren’t useful for slamming the West, then they aren’t useful.
@ Iron Fist:
I think we should do as much as possible to encourage them in their infighting.
@ Iron Fist:
Progressives love Islam. There is no denying it.
@ lobo91:
They are doing a good job of that already! I can’t wait for the 2nd Lebanese civil war. Al-Qaeda vs. Hizballah. Get the popcorn
@ Rodan:
well it hasn’t but that’s not to say it won’t ever again…I just look at things the way they are now…and I don’t like making predictions because most of my negative predictions come true….in general, look at the quality of our leaders…they are third rate, therefore our govt is third rate…re-election trumps all
Rodan wrote:
That is really not true, though. Bush was a fiscal disaster, yes, but not anywhere near on the scale that Obama has been. Likewise on the foreign policy front. Obama has been far, far worse than the worst Bush did, and Obama hasn’t had near the oppertunity to fuck up that Bush had. Can you imagine a 9-11 on Obama’s watch? There would be no invasion of Afghanistan, or anything remotely like war. It would be a police matter, if Obama bothered to even send inthe police. He’d see it as a teachable moment for Americans to learn how awful their Country was. No, there are real, visceral differences between the Parties. The Republican Party could certainly be better, but the choice between the two is very clear.
@ heysoos:
This has to be the most pathetic bunch of leaders ever. Obama, Reid and Boehner. These are not men who are inspirational nor leaders.
The Ottoman Caliphate lasted for 623 years….only a murder that lead to world war 1…ended it..
Rodan wrote:
Besides all the various jihadist groups, there are at least 3 different countries vying for leadership of their new Caliphate-Egypt, Turkey and Iran.
About all Egypt has going for it is a huge population. It’s an economic basket case, and always has been. Iran isn’t going to be accepted by the Sunnis as their leader, other than at the point of a sword (or nuclear missile). Turkey is somewhat less screwed up than Egypt, but Erdogan doesn’t strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer.
@ Iron Fist:
The Republcians are slightly better, but at the end of the day, they have enabled the Caliphate as well. Bush was a Muzzie lover like Obama. Bush recognized the Islamic mafia state of Kossovo and declared Islam to be peaceful. Look at how the GOP supported the bombing of Qadaffi? Did Boehner decalre the action illegal? Nope he just sat their and smiled. McCain is itching for us to get involved in Syria. Both parties supported the Arab Spring.
The GOP may appear better, but the truth is they are Pro-Islamic like the Democrats. The problem is the GOP Establishment is in bed with the House of Saud. It’s not individual Republcian politicians or voters, it’s the GOP leaders.
Behind the Qatari wealth, it is Islamist ruled
http://tundratabloids.com/2012/11/behind-the-qatari-facade-a-chief-manipulating-wahhabi-lurks.html
@ lobo91:
Turkey is the economic powerhouse in the region. Egypt and Turkey are allies now becasue they both hate the Shia and the Turkish AKP is Muslum Brotherhood. But eventually, the Arab SUnnis will turn on the Turks. There is no love loss there.
@ yenta-fada:
Qatar is funding the Islamic rebels in Syria. They are also funding Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. They are at the head of the snake.
Rodan wrote:
I would not share a beer with any of them…to me they are just men, not celebrities…I’d die before I fawned over them, attended their rallies or god forbid give them any money…we have corrupted ourselves with that AmIdol shit
Rodan wrote:
Ever since the first Progressives, in the late 19th century, swooned to the erotic exoticism of “The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam.”
Beck is talking about the Pravda story…
@ lobo91:
I believe that Saudi Arabia’s royal twits are going to fold their tents and run to safety. This so-called ally of the West will be another Islamist failure as predicted by Osama Bin Laden’s father.
IMO
lobo91 wrote:
It was considered a wealthy and valuable colony when the Brits had it, wasn’t it? Of course, that was some time ago.
@ yenta-fada:
And who props up the Qatari emirate?
We do.
Rodan wrote:
Large Western investors have lots of money invested there. Won’t they be surprised? No wonder the Islamists think the West is full of fools.
The latter deny reality. They meet in Doha for conferences.
@ heysoos:
They are a bunch of treasonous scum. They have sold out our nation to foreign interests.
lobo91 wrote:
See my #45. Al Reuters, AP, and affiliates have done a good job.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
The Saudis with their oil money took over the power that Egypt used to command in the ME. “Spice” rules the Universe.
yenta-fada wrote:
If the Saudi
“royal family”brigand clan were to skedaddle of its own accord, that would be a heaven-sent opportunity for a US—a West—with backbone to solve the Arab-Israeli conflict:1) Re-install the Hashemites in Mecca, where they used to reign before the now-defunct British Empire stuck them in Jordan in order to pay off the Sauds for fighting the Turks in WWI;
2) Agree to assist the Hashemites in retaining power, on condition of:
a) Peace with Israel;
b) West-friendly oil policies;
c) Suppression of Wahabism/aid against Islamist radicalism generally.
3) Declare Jordan to be what it is and always has been: the only legitimate “Palestinian Arab” state. Recognize all “Palestinians” have the right to return there—and provide a one-time financial incentive for them to do so.
4) Israel gets Gaza and the entire West Bank.
We always did business with Islam…
More reports the Saudi King is brain dead http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Saudi+king+dead&oq=Saudi+king+dead&gs_l=hp.3…3102.7355.0.7655.15.11.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.KpZYaY01ww4&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=84f5e54452ebb3b9&bpcl=38897761&biw=1680&bih=904
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Ever since the Brits turned them loose, they’ve been a mess. There’s some interesting discussion of Egypt’s financial situation in Churchill’s The River War, and that was 120 years ago. It’s only gotten worse.
The Saudi King was 80 something…he very could be brain dead…and then a monster fight?…all those standing in line are old as shit..
@ Storagemanager:
Nothing much is going to change in the Magic Kingdom. He’ll be replaced by another senile “leader” who’s near death.
The rules of succession there guarantee it. Rather than passing to one of the current king’s children, the crown goes to one of his brothers.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It’s a brilliant plan except for the U.S. “backbone” part.
Because of the fall of the Ottoman Empire….new countries were formed… IRAQ, Saudi Arabia, plus Kuwait, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, and Yemen…..Before WW1…they were the Ottoman Caliphate..
Storagemanager wrote:
There was never a country of Palestine.
And Kuwait didn’t become an independent state until 1961.
lobo91 wrote:
I think the Muslim brotherhood would disagree…Obama is backing the brotherhood…not the Kings of Islam…like Bush before him did…Obama is not a fan of the Kings…brotherhood all the way.
lobo91 wrote:
It was all OTTOMAN before the fall was the point.
yenta-fada wrote:
Well, yeah, there is that.
But I figure that the more it gets talked up the greater its chances of some people taking it seriously.
@ Storagemanager:
The Muslim Brotherhood isn’t going to be taking over Saudi Arabia anytime soon. The Saudi National Guard will see to that. Its only purpose is to protect the monarchy.
Islam can govern with a Caliphate…they did it for over 600 years…we should never dismiss that fact.
lobo91 wrote:
Really?…..If Turkey and the rest decide to take Saudi Arabia…who will save them?…Obama…who sleeps in the same bed as the Muslim brotherhood?
Destablization of Syria causes further incursions into Israel
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162513
Let’s not forget the goal of Islam…..the CALIPHATE….there can be NO Caliphate without Mecca….it is in Saudia Arabia….the CALIPHATE has no Royal family or KING….
@ Storagemanager:
Now you’re talking about a major regional war. Before you were talking about the Muslim Brotherhood somehow taking over.
Those aren’t the same thing.
Storagemanager wrote:
MONEY TALKS
Let the Turks or Egyptians claim the caliphate, it won’t take 600 years for an insulted arab people to rise up again.
Storagemanager wrote:
The Mecca franchise is essential for ‘legitimacy.
The Muslim brotherhood has had one goal since 1928 restore the Caliphate…they now have the President of the United States in their back pocket..
@ Storagemanager:
Turkey doesn’t have oil. Erdogan overreaches, I think. The Kurds are a big issue for them as well.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I agree with you on that.
yenta-fada wrote:
They had Kurds in the Ottoman times also…the goal is an Islamic Caliphate…they can work out the details later…it was done before…and they are close and know it.
@ lobo91:
Right now, though, Turkey couldn’t project the necessary power to take Saudi Arabia away from the people who currently are there, even if Obama ratted on them. They (the Saudis) have too many US toys. From what I can tell, they (the Turks) have a frigate Navy, and not many of those. They aren’t going to be storming the beaches off of those. A land invasion through Syria? Doubtful, at least for the foreseeable future. If The Muslim Brotherhood takes over Syria and the Turks make their peace with the Brotherhood, then they’d still have to go through Jordan or Iraq to invade Saudi. If (and it’s a big if) they could support their Army that far from their bases. I just don’t see Turkey having what it takes to pull it off. Iran, OTOH, has a big military, and they’ll have nukes before the end of the Obama Administration.
And again I say….The Muslim brotherhood has had one goal since 1928 restore the Caliphate…they now have the President of the United States in their back pocket…….they are close to taking Syria…they will take it…or destroy it…Islam cares little about death and destruction…..Islam will take or destroy….that is Islam.
@ Storagemanager:
The Turks took the caliphate, they were a far different class of warrior, but probably still superior to any arab nation now.
Storagemanager wrote:
Little Miss Muffet
Sat on a tuffet (i.e., an ottoman)
Eating her Kurds and whey…
The Royal family in Saudia Arabia are fat pigs that like sex and money…they do not care about Islam….the people will rise if the right leader comes along…google Saudi Arabia 1979….they came very close
Storagemanager wrote:
Well, I can’t fault them there, but I agree with you, they are fat pigs.
let them have their caliphate…who gives a shit, they will still be killing each other til the end of time…if there is some grand plan, fine…we don’t have to sort out our enemies
heysoos wrote:
The only reason anyone cares is oil. If (and it is a big if) the reports about America’s reserves are true, though if the Obama Administration stays out of the way (another big if) then that may be on a lot fewer people’s minds in five years. Nigeria has a lot of oil, too, but nobody much cares if they kill each other in wholsale carload lots. Which they do on a frightening frequency.
heysoos wrote:
Because they also want to control all of the oil…and thus…make everyone a Muslim…Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’” ……Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Iron Fist wrote:
peak oil means nothing to me….there is probably far more left than has ever been used…technology will prevail in the end…a greater concern by far is Israel…but we can eliminate any threat to her instantly if it comes to that….blow the Aswan Dam and nuke Damascus…problem solved
Storagemanager wrote:
they can only control their own oil, there is plenty more…as for the Koran and jihad, I could care less
@ heysoos:
Who will do that…Obama?….he will mjust say pardon me Muslim brotherhood…I must go save your enemy…REALL?
yenta-fada wrote:
I’m fairly certain that at least 80% of the cats in America believe that they’re close to taking over the world, too.
@ Iron Fist:
The media are playing up this whole idea of energy self-sufficiency for the U.S. Do you trust the media? Do you see the Keystone Pipeline being built in a second Ozero administration? Do you trust the Commodities dealers and their options after MF Global STOLE the money of their clients who were trading commodities and shut down? That’s a lot of trust.
@ lobo91:
Why do you think ..we have a fiscal cliff?…Obama has one job…make sure America is no longer a super power and she is too busy at home to help anyone.
the greatest threat to America is not Islam, it’s the inability to harness the will to protect ourselves…it will become us or them and a bunch of innocent people are going to die…either that or you can kiss Israel goodbye and probably a couple of major American ports
lobo91 wrote:
Dogs would be better at the job.
Storagemanager wrote:
not gonna happen tomorrow or even for years yet, if ever….when I think of a functioning Caliphate I have to laff
Back to the dentist. sigh. Running out of teeth. grrrrrrr
@ yenta-fada:
Of course they would.
Obama and Gaza was just a show…a game….look what Morsi did when it was over….it is a game…..the JOB Obama has is to make America a third world country…with so many fires at home…she is no longer a threat to anyone.
@ heysoos:
I mostly think of the Planet of the Apes movies.
@ Storagemanager:
Thusly, you stumble on the failure. islam is an arabcentric belief system. We need to get them killing each other faster
@ heysoos:
the greatest threat to America is OBAMA and the fact he sleeps in the same bed with the brothers..
yenta-fada wrote:
That is why I said “If”. At the level of lying that we get from the MFM and the Administration, it is impossible to know the truth. You have to wait and see what comes out. Obama’s EPA may outlaw fracing entirely. I certainly wouldn’t bet against that happening, just as he killed the Keystone Pipeline and all the jobs that would have came with it in the middle of the longest period of extended unemployment since the Great Depression. And the American People were stupid enough to re-elect him after that. No, I used “if” very deliberately in my statement.
bluliner10 wrote:
AGAIN….WHO is going to do that?………..Obama is in bed with the Muslim brotherhood.
bluliner10 wrote:
Obama is the Commander in chief of the armed forces…and he sleeps with the brothers.
Storagemanager wrote:
I don’t believe that for a second
heysoos wrote:
Really….what did Obama say to Morsi?….oh thats right nothing…Morsi just made himself King and Obama gave a wink and a nod.
@ Storagemanager:
They will do it to themselves. Turks aren’t Arabs, Egyptians are not Arabs, Persians are not Arabs, Africans, Indonesians, Bosniaks, Kurds, you name it they are not Arabs. islam will never fully get its act together without a strong horse. They don’t have one.
bluliner10 wrote:
No…But…they are all MUSLIMS….Muslims have only one thing in common…ISLAM.
Storagemanager wrote:
you are thinking in a very limited timetable….how long does it take for a couple of guys to whip up a caliphate and threaten a world takeover?….less than our years?…whatever BO does can be undone…the greatest threat to America is the same it’s ever been….the voters
Islam has but one goal and that is to dominate the world politically and religiously. To achieve this goal Islam uses two weapons. One weapon is the political while the other is the sword. They work hand-in-glove.
@ Storagemanager:
Yes, but islam is only a binding obligation when “oppressed”. It is xenophobic, racist and will not voluntarily “come together”. If you want to defeat islam, you need to find the fissures and that is in the artificial unity of muslims.
Storagemanager wrote:
And Islam teaches them o slaughter one another. Everywhere they kill each other with vigor. The thing to do is contain them, and let them slaughter each other according to the tenets of their beliefs. What we shouldn’t be doing is importing them like they bring something to this country. They don’t.
@ heysoos:
Really….Think how far they have come since 9-11 2001….pretty damn far…..
bluliner10 wrote:
CALIPHATE is joining….that what the CALIPHATE is.
Storagemanager wrote:
how can Islam dominate the world when they can’t even feed themselves?…by world wide conquest?…with what?…the US alone could kill half the Muslims in the entire ME overnight….you act like Islam will not be resisted at all
Iron Fist wrote:
Sunni VS Shia…..not all Islam…
The caliphate of yore was taken by the Turks. There is NO unity in islam. That is window dressing at best, but if you are not really welcome if you are anything but arab.
@ Storagemanager:
There are a lot more conflicts within Islam than just Sunni vs Shia.
bluliner10 wrote:
Exactly
heysoos wrote:
AGAIN…..AMERICA WAS ATTACKED ON 9-11….Did America fight back…or …give more land to Islam…we took out all of Islams enemies…WHAT DID AMERICA GAIN?….Nothing…..are we killing the enemy?….
Please show me…how is America fighting Islam?…Most of the Kings and strong men who put Islam down…are gone…most at the hands of America….how are we fighting Islam?
Storagemanager wrote:
Not anywhere near their birth rate
@ lobo91:
In Syria it is Alawite vs. Sunni, isn’t it? And everybody hates the Kurds. And that is just the Near Middle East. In Pakistan it is Taliban (Sunni, right?) vs. Sunni. The same is true to a greater or lesser degree all over the Muslim world. Terrorists and their supporters against Autocrats and their supporters, for the most part.
Really…can not work as one…
Iron Fist wrote:
And the Arabs look down on the non-Arabs. Then, there’s a hierarchy within the various Arab populations. And of course there are the tribal and clan fights.
There is basically NO unity within Islam.
Storagemanager wrote:
as for me I do not want Americans dying in the ME chasing radical Islamists….been there, done that
waldensianspirit wrote:
Since 9-11…Islam has gained Tunisia,Egypt,Libya and Yeman..they are working on Bahrain and Syria…
lobo91 wrote:
lobo91 wrote:
very much like our Indian gig back then…almost any tribe would turn on another for whatever reason…not always, but nearly so
Rodan wrote:
moi aussi.
@ Iron Fist:
Alawite is a form of Shia..
Storagemanager wrote:
nah, just changing drivers
@ Storagemanager:
And what have they accomplished since 1969? Look around and the Islamic world is a hell-hole. These people are only a threat because we lack the will to do what is necessary to eliminate the threat. And that is only because they haven’t gotten the attention of a big enough part of us. If they do that, they are done. Their bigger threat is in immigration and failure to assimilate. We see that in Europe all over the place and to a lesser degree in the United States in places like Dearbornistan. Shut off the Muslim immigration, and you end the most significant threat that they pose. Yes, a nuclear Iran will be a bigger threat. I think a nuclear Iran makesa nuclear war inevitible. They are not rational actors, and expecting rational constraints about disproportional responses isn’t likely to deter them. We could stop that, but we re-elected Obama. I think a regional nuclear war, probably precipitated by nuclear terrorism will happen before 2020.
Storagemanager wrote:
I guess Obama & Co. don’t like Assad and his supporters because they are “Alawite men”—they think it sounds too close to “old white men.”
The Arab spring is wiping out the Tyrants who keep Islam down….very easy to see.
Iron Fist wrote:
Iron Fist wrote:
well said…I can only write so much, but you fill in the blanks…
Islam and all it stands for is as much or little of a threat as we make it….they make noise, we make glass
that double quote thing drives me crazy too folks…
heysoos wrote:
The Arab spring is wiping out the Tyrants who keep Islam down…..the tyrants cared about power,money and borders…the Caliphate see no borders…just Islam.
@ heysoos:
I have been there and done that 4 times, and we will continue to do that until somebody decides that the monolith of islam needs to be defeated. That will require killing but would be enhanced by forcing them together, then let the natural tendancy to hate based on skin, ethnicity and culture to create the conditions for islamic infighting.
Storagemanager wrote:
And those same “tyrants” were the people who kept those countries functioning at at least some level. They’re all basically falling apart, now.
People who spend all their time trying to scrounge up enough food to eat don’t have time to take over the world.
Storagemanager wrote:
Upturned butts as far as the eye can see!
@ Iron Fist:
Again…the tyrant cares about his state…his power…his money….the Arab spring is about one nation under Islam…the two are not the same…that is western thinking..
@ bluliner10:
a showdown is inevitable….it’s important that the US plays the thing right and be ready to pull the trigger….of course there will always be clandestine ops, I just don’t want you over in some hell hole wandering around as a target….they are a far greater threat to each other, just look at the body count
@ lobo91:
America is feeding them…
Not an Arab state….
lobo91 wrote:
Exactly. In less than a year people will be starving to death in Egypt. Possibly way less than a year. They are net importers of food. Without tourism, they don’t have muh of a way to bring in the money to buy the food. Morsi will give them Shari’ia, but they’ll be starving, too.
@ heysoos:
The body count are those that oppose the CALIPHATE.
@ Iron Fist:
Do you have any idea how much money America gives Egypt…and I am sure Obama has more on the way.
Storagemanager wrote:
we give Egypt about $1.5b a year, conversely they owe us about $3b
@ Storagemanager:
And those that are fighting for it. Assad has whacked 30K of them so far. He can keep going at that rate as long as they are filing bodies into the kill-zone and the Russians keep supplying him with arms. Indeed, Syria is a microcosm for what we should want the Islamic world to become. Assad no longer has the power-base to threaten Israel or the United States, but the terrorists-cum-freedom-fighters don’t have control of his chemical weapons or much in the way of safe-havens to train more terrorists. It’s a win-win for us. We’d do well to sit back and watch it unfold.
@ heysoos:
Which is not nearly enough to make up for the lost tourism revenue.
@ heysoos:
It will never be paid back and Obama will give them more.
lobo91 wrote:
especially if they tear down the pyramids…
what a bunch of clowns…Egypt is an afterthough
I can say the Sun will not come out in the morning…that will not stop it….Islam has made Hugh gains since 9-11…saying it has not…will not change the facts on the ground.
Storagemanager wrote:
I guess I don’t understand your fear of a caliphate…the 3b is just a payoff to leave Israel alone…even so the MB does not take that money lightly…they are that destitute….even a short conflict could easily drive the whole country into a deadly poverty
heysoos wrote:
Which isn’t enough to buy food for all their people, but IIRC that is pretty much all military aid, anyway. Their economy has taken a header since they got rid of Mubarak, and it looks like it’ll get worse rather than better in the near future. If Egypt breaks down into civil war, it’ll be like Somolia on the Nile.
heysoos wrote:
Fortunately, they probably don’t have the capability to actually do so.
@ Iron Fist:
Yes, it is.
Iron Fist wrote:
I think we are nice to them mostly for their own good…they have yet to reap the monumental failure of the Aswan dam…loss of sediment and a continuously rising level of salinity….in 20 years their ag industry could be gone….I’d bet good money on a civil war
heysoos wrote:
I have no fear…I have been studying Islam..since 9-11 and been posting on it since 06…it is what i do.
lobo91 wrote:
I’ve actually thought about that, even just this AM….what a riot after all the spew and seething….they go out there and then what?….hahaha!
I also study the Bible..I have no fear of it either..lol
@ heysoos:
Oh, they could wreck the Sphinx and the Pyramids. If Morsi decided to go that route, they could just drive a few Abrams main battle tanks out there and shell them until there was nothing left but rubble. That is essentially what the Taliban did to the Binyamin Buddhas. That’d wreck any future for Egypt even more thoroughly than the Arab Spring® already has. Without the ruins, there is no reason for tourists to ever go to Egypt. They have a little agriculture (think Egyptian Cotton), but they’d never be able to make their economy even limp along without tourism.
Found this on Drudge:
Pravda (English), Opinion section, “Obama’s Soviet Mistake” by Xavier Lerma, 19.11.2012
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnist/19-11-2012/122849-obama-soviet-mistake-0/
The truth hurts, but we may need the pain.
@ taxfreekiller:
We already had a thread on that today
@ Iron Fist:
There’s a big difference between the Buddha statues and the pyramids, though. It’s not that hard to blow up a big vertical stone carving. The pyramids, on the other hand, are massive structures. They could certainly damage the outsides, but they don’t have the technology to get rid of million-ton stone structures like that.
@ lobo91:
No, they don’t have the construction industry to have the equipment to really get rid of the pyramids. But they could wreck them so badly that no one much would be interested in visiting them. For the Islamists’ intents and purposes that would probably be good enough. Everywhere they take power the Islamists do everything they can to increase human misery. I guess if they get a civil war started in Egypt that’ll probably be good enough for their purposes, too.
@ lobo91:
While the erection (lol) of the pyramids is still open to debate, I’m certain the quickest way to disassembly would be start at the top with a pry-bar, and let gravity do its magic.
Daffy Duck wrote:
You’d need an awfully big pry-bar…
@ lobo91:
Those blocks aren’t that big. Could definitely be nudged to the edge w/ a pry-bar. Then tuble-down the sides.
Be vewwy quiet…Leia’s hunting wabbits.
Unfortunately for her, the wabbit in question is in the park behind my house. It’s sitting there looking at her through the fence like she’s a moron.
She should probably go back to hunting table scraps…
@ lobo91:
These are Muslims. They’ll do it the old fashion way… Slave labor…
Daffy Duck wrote:
They range between 25 and 80 tons each.
Good luck with that…
That’s a whole bunch of rock…
@ lobo91:
Maybe some regional dialect problems here…pry-bar = pinch-bar, whatever. I’m not refering to the little 12″ device you’d use to pull nails, I’m talking about the 6 to 10 foot long steel bar specifically designed to be used as a lever/fulcrum arrangement and multiply your physical force many times over, specifically so you can move very heavy objects.
\Look, they got those blocks up there, it would be 100X easier getting them down.
Good thread, up to Doriengrey’s input on Calif.
What has got in his bonnet and bit him a stinging hornet or what,,,?
Is he joking with you or is he that over the top now?
Calif. is illegal immigrant ground zero, seems he wants to belive the stats the commies put out to hide the truth from him.
Doriengrey, what gives?
tfk@ Iron Fist:
@ Daffy Duck:
And the people who built it were at least 100 times smarter than the current inhabitants of Egypt, so that’s about right.
@ Iron Fist:
Hizballah as well is weakened. They have lost 400 fighters in Syria and are watching their backs as Al-Qaeda is now popping up in Lebanon.
Hey I know all about how these pyramids were
built. They were done by ancient space travelers.
Seriously,it’s in Von Danikens “Chariots of the gods”,
which is of course is an accurate historical account.
They even mated with Earthlings, producing a master
race as evidenced by Obama.
It’s all true/
@ taxfreekiller:
It’s Tnesssee’s fault California is bad!
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Iron Fist wrote:
Isaiah 19:2 “I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian—
brother will fight against brother,
neighbor against neighbor,
city against city,
kingdom against kingdom.
@ lobo91:
True.
@ RIX:
Ssshhh…Rodan is an ancient alien advocate…
@ taxfreekiller:
I dunno, but I ain’t worring much about it
@ Daffy Duck:
They walk among us.
Iron Fist wrote:
You Marxist hippie!
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@ Rodan:
The more the merrier. If we can get them cutting each other up, the better it is for us.
@ Daffy Duck:
Yeah, I totally believe that.
RIX wrote:
You mean like Nancy Pelosi?
@ Rodan:
I’ve been working on the Marxism thing. It’s teh Way to pick up chix…
lobo91 wrote:
An excellent example!All of her people undergo
full frontal lobotomies.
Rodan wrote:
Everything would have been just peachy if the shithole people had’ve just stayed in their shithole and not fouled the Golden State. Kinda weird, that was.
Later gators
@ Iron Fist:
I bet you went to Harvard! I heard its a nice campus outside of Nashville!
@ MacDuff:
I’m still scratching my head at that.
Teh Obama Boom proceedeth apace:
There’s nothing more at the link, but I’d say this is bad news for those who were betting Obama’s re-election would kick the economy into overdrive…
@ Iron Fist:
Maybe if it’s like one of those French tanks with 1 forward and 5 reverse gears…
lobo91 wrote:
No there isn’t. The muslims of North Africa are being killed or taken as slaves by the Arabs. When they are not killing Christians of South Africa.
Iron Fist
Doriengrey needs to review his facts. The dust bowl people are the ones who went west. They were from North Texas Panhandle, Oka, Kansas, and parts of Nebrasks mostly.
Tenn. mountain people stayed home and made a living making whiskey etal and they had enough to eat as they had the ability to raise their own food.
Dust bowl areas not so much, all they had was dust and wind.
Then the think is those where not the ones who voted commie in Calif. it was the kids of the rich locals who f’d up Calif.
Calif. needs to see itself in a mirror without the fun house thing going on.
@ Rodan:
You? I get back from 5 days off and going through blogging withdrawal and all I can think is WTF?????
Iron Fist wrote:
Not to mention in Egypt if or shall I say when it goes to sharia law the landmarks for the reason of their tourism will be gone..because there has already been talk about destroying the pyramids….they will shoot themselves in the foot. They aren’t all that great on taking care of themselves.
Storagemanager wrote:
I doubt that they are Austrians but asylants from “Palestine”.
New Thread.
@ Guggi:
All the more reason to leave them rotting in their native hell-holes. Asylum seekers from Muslim lands don’t (for the most part) come to the West seeking a word free from oppression, but come as colonists bringing that oppression with them.
Iron Fist wrote:
And, because Clinton made Morsi the “guard” of the truce between Israel and Hamas the U.S.A. can’t even withhold the money from them.
Carolina Girl wrote:
I have no clue. It didn’t make any sense.
@ taxfreekiller:
The Grapes of Wrath 1940…very liberal movie about how the government should take care of dust bowl people..
Daffy Duck wrote:
Or they could do it the new way they take down things send huge planes into them.
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@ Rodan:
And once again I miss a radio show. Next time check the luggage and make sure at least the iPad is packed.
Guggi wrote:
That is what Obama calls Smart diplomacy…
Iron Fist wrote:
Yep. Even the German journalist from Israel called it insane and that was a surprise.
@ Lily:
Crashing an airliner into the Great Pyramid would barely scratch it.
@ 114 heysoos: I kind of think the roll out of Islam has changed a lot. It’s asymmetric conversion. Sunnis fund building mosques in the US. The Shia work the Islamophobic angle taking advantage of the Democratic party. The radicals blow stuff up. The flow of dollars preps the battlefield.
Let’s Clinton visits Syria to reset the wrong of GWB and open up to Damascus. Syria goes into revolution.
OBama visits Cairo to reset the wrong of GWB and open up to the MB. Egypt goes into revolution.
There is an Arab Spring, but I think the O admin fuels part of it without a care for the outcome.
yenta-fada wrote:
In the books a substitute for “spice” was invented. We’ve got our own coal, nat gas, oil, and nuke power, if we would go ahead and use it.