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Obama and Democrats are not serious about the budget negotiations

by Rodan ( 197 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Economy, Progressives, Republican Party at November 28th, 2012 - 3:31 pm

The new lord and savior of America, the almighty god-king Obama has not stop campaigning. He is making daily appearances demonizing Republicans over the fiscal cliff. The only item Obama even mentions is raising taxes on those making $250,000. As with the election, Obama is winning the argument. Over 60% of Americans support raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. The truth is raising rates on that segment of tax payers will only bring in an extra 80 billion a year. Personally, I think the Republicans should counter propose an call for raising rates on those making over 1 million a year, a 30% Entertainment industry excise tax and eliminate state income tax deductions. This will hit the affluent Democratic voters.

The Republicans lacking imagination have not counter propose. Instead they are offering to eliminate some tax deductions to raise revenues. This is not good enough for Obama, who continues to demagogue the issue and has not come up with any concessions of his own.

House Republican leaders said Wednesday they’ve done their job in negotiations to solve the looming fiscal crisis, while President Obama is returning to the campaign trail to sell tax hikes that studies show won’t have much, if any, effect on solving the problem.

“We have done our part by putting revenue on the table,” said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor.  

Cantor and fellow House leaders have agreed to close tax loopholes to generate revenue to reduce the $1.1 trillion annual deficit. But they argue the president has yet to say publicly what cuts he will make to the federal budget — specifically to costly entitlement programs such as Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security —  to reduce the deficit.

They also say the president’s plan to extend tax cuts only to middle-class Americans will not generate enough revenue to significantly reduce the deficit.

Jamie Foxx’s lord and savior is not serious about the budget deficit. He honestly could care less about it and just wants to raise taxes on people making over 250,000 to make people feel better. The Obama regime is about feelings and not concrete results. The almighty philosophizer king  has a combination of a incompetent opposition and an adoring media, which allows him to get away with it. 51% of Americans love this man and don’t care about any results.

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197 Responses to “Obama and Democrats are not serious about the budget negotiations”
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  1. buzzsawmonkey
    1 | November 28, 2012 3:40 pm

    “Old White Men.”

    Comments welcomed.


  2. Speranza
    2 | November 28, 2012 3:41 pm

    They want to bankrupt the nation.


  3. Storagemanager
    3 | November 28, 2012 3:41 pm

    After the lunch…Mitt and Obama will have a photo op….we shall see what is said….


  4. 4 | November 28, 2012 3:42 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    They want to bankrupt the nation.

    Yup, all in the name of social justice. Hey I bet you agree with my tax plan!


  5. taxfreekiller
    5 | November 28, 2012 3:44 pm

    Hope this link works.

    Argentina’s bond debt, a ruling by a U.S. Judge in NY and how and when things come undone.

    The past, the facts and where the dumb ass commie Democrats and Obama have U.S. going.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/11/26/feds-2-6t-payments-system-risk-paralysis-as-judge-orders-argentina-to-pay-defaulted-bonds/

    In Forbes 11/26/2012 title: Fed’s $2.6T Payments System Risks Paralysis As Judge Orders Argentina To Pay Defaulted Bonds.

    some updates in the article now.


  6. 6 | November 28, 2012 3:47 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    They want to bankrupt the nation.

    That is exactly right. It seems so obvious to us, but not one Republican has the balls to actually say that. They go on pretending that Obama is trying to work out some Grand Compromise. He isn’t.


  7. texasam7
    8 | November 28, 2012 3:48 pm

    The modus operandi is similiar to that of the Islamic terrorist: the more carnage they create, the better.


  8. 9 | November 28, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Argentina once had the world’s 4th largest GDP. Its a shame what happened. It is all due to Juan Peron. It has been 40 years since Peron’s last government and they are still paying the price. Something for us to ponder.


  9. 10 | November 28, 2012 3:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    He doesn’t care. He wants to demonize. Obama is still campaigning.


  10. taxfreekiller
    11 | November 28, 2012 3:51 pm

    The choice seems to be default and make our bond/debt holders take 50 cents on the dollar or less or print money and do the same to them.

    Our two party evil money cult play a game they know little about.

    Note in the artilce this creditor has “taken possession of an Argentine Navy, flagship vessel.”


  11. heysoos
    12 | November 28, 2012 3:52 pm

    appears GOP leaders are buying into the messiah gig…I think they are scared of BO…what else is it?..are they so old or stupid they cannot read the writing on the wall?…they were elected to serve…so this is how they serve by rolling over…forget propriety, does anyone have the balls to call out BO?…no guts, no glory


  12. taxfreekiller
    13 | November 28, 2012 3:53 pm

    We are headed to world wide gang warfare, the gang with the best gun slingers ie (hired guns) etal will win.

    The elites will not fight, but our sons and daughters will be used to defend the shit these fools have done to U.S. all.


  13. 14 | November 28, 2012 3:54 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    appears GOP leaders are buying into the messiah gig…I think they are scared of BO…what else is it?..are they so old or stupid they cannot read the writing on the wall?…they were elected to serve…so this is how they serve by rolling over…forget propriety, does anyone have the balls to call out BO?…no guts, no glory

    They live in a bubble. They do believe he’s some divine being who they must bow to!


  14. 15 | November 28, 2012 3:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama is still campaigning.

    It is all he’s got. He intends to do two things here. Destroy the Republican Party in detail and destroy the American economy. If the Republicans completely submit to him, they already have the commercials ready to run against them for raising taxes. If they don’t completely submit, he wrecks the economy by going off the Fiscal Cliff. He figures that will damage the Republican Party more than it will damage him, and with the compliant media in his pocket, he is probably right.


  15. taxfreekiller
    16 | November 28, 2012 3:56 pm

    The U.S.A. soon will be the ‘used to BE”, a soon down fall all due to dumb ass commie Democrats enabled by RINO’s..

    Cristina Kirchner has the same ability that B. Obama has.


  16. 17 | November 28, 2012 3:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That is why Republicans should do what I propose. Offer tax increases for people making over 1 Million, eliminating State Income Tax deductions which benefits blue states and a 30% tax on the Entertainment industry. If Obama balks, say he is protecting the rich. But they are too stupid to even think of this.


  17. 18 | November 28, 2012 3:57 pm

    @ Rodan:

    We’ll be paying the price for the Obama Administration for the rest of my life.


  18. 19 | November 28, 2012 3:57 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    They are both Socialists.


  19. 20 | November 28, 2012 3:58 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    We’ll be paying the price for the Obama Administration for the rest of my life.

    Hey Argentina is still a mess from Juan Peron 40 years later. Odds, we will still be a mess because of Obama. The question is, will America still be around?


  20. heysoos
    21 | November 28, 2012 4:01 pm

    vote present, give them twice what they want…I say this with great reluctance…but be thoroughly prepared with alternatives and candidates…the numbers are against us…and pray for a populist tax revolt


  21. 22 | November 28, 2012 4:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    vote present, give them twice what they want…I say this with great reluctance…but be thoroughly prepared with alternatives and candidates…the numbers are against us…and pray for a populist tax revolt

    Let it Burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  22. taxfreekiller
    23 | November 28, 2012 4:03 pm

    On the guy who is causing this fuss in court and for counties who borrow to much.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Singer_(businessman)

    Seems some of the elite get it.

    @ taxfreekiller:


  23. heysoos
    24 | November 28, 2012 4:03 pm

    we need an American version of a car swarm…we need our elected officials to fear us…fuckers will do and say anything to get re-elected


  24. 25 | November 28, 2012 4:06 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    we need an American version of a car swarm…we need our elected officials to fear us…fuckers will do and say anything to get re-elected

    The Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex needs to be challenged.


  25. taxfreekiller
    26 | November 28, 2012 4:07 pm

    So odd, Argentina’s bonds all of them come to trouble, Greece, Spain, others not far behind, inflation has to be going on world wide,,,,,

    yet gold falls like a rock……very odd the markets


  26. Lily
    27 | November 28, 2012 4:08 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    They want to bankrupt the nation.

    It appears so doesn’t it? But wait Big Bird was so important to the voters. Now more and more people are thinking obama is type of savior it’s a pathology I don’t know how you can break.


  27. buzzsawmonkey
    28 | November 28, 2012 4:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex needs to be challenged.

    Coming soon to your local multiplex: “Tavis Smiley’s People” and “Tinker (with the economy), Tailor (the tax code), Soldier (down the river), Spy (on your emails).”


  28. 29 | November 28, 2012 4:09 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    So odd, Argentina’s bonds all of them come to trouble, Greece, Spain, others not far behind, inflation has to be going on world wide,,,,,
    yet gold falls like a rock……very odd the markets

    Italy is in the danger zone as well.


  29. heysoos
    30 | November 28, 2012 4:09 pm

    we need some sort of reality TV show that helps expose liberalism…take some Ophone bimbo and ask her or her seven kids to point to America on a map…ask them to add 19+1 in their head…expose the insanity of the average voter…make the GOP the party of at least half smart people…I remember after the last election when welfare bots thought Palin was BO’s VP….bring the house….the votes are not enough, people need to get interested in the original America again….nostalgia politics


  30. 31 | November 28, 2012 4:10 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I wish someone with money would make those type of movies.


  31. Lily
    32 | November 28, 2012 4:10 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    After the lunch…Mitt and Obama will have a photo op….we shall see what is said….

    GOOD NIGHT IN GEORIGA!!! Are you really bringing this up to this thread from the last one???? The HORRORS….Romney accepted an invitation for lunch from the president. This is silly!


  32. 33 | November 28, 2012 4:14 pm

    I long for the day that we have Republicans in office that are conservatives, and the conservatives have a spine.

    We need to make sure the debt issue and all of the other problems are laid squarely at the feet of Obama and his supporters. It needs to be unequivocal.

    But no. We are going to see all kinds of compromise from the Republicans. There will be lots of bipartisan agreements and it is all going to end up being the Republicans fault, Bush’s fault and even romney’s fault that the country will sink further into the debt quagmire and an extended recession. but it will be called a long and slow recovery.


  33. Lily
    34 | November 28, 2012 4:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    He doesn’t care. He wants to demonize. Obama is still campaigning.

    He is isn’t he? No one told him he won the election? Or he is doing what he does best portray 1/2 Americans as evil and his anti-American crap he is always talking about. While Iran gets nukes. While the economy of the United States spirals out of control he sits at his own alter and worships himself.


  34. buzzsawmonkey
    35 | November 28, 2012 4:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I wish someone with money would make those type of movies.

    I’d like to see some cartoons that have a comic idiot bullfrog that talks like Al Sharpton.

    I’d like to see a “conservative” Bugs Bunny-type character besting a Yosemite Sam-type community organizer and a government-bureaucrat Daffy Duck.


  35. bluliner10
    36 | November 28, 2012 4:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    we need some sort of reality TV show that helps expose liberalism…take some Ophone bimbo and ask her or her seven kids to point to America on a map…ask them to add 19+1 in their head…expose the insanity of the average voter…make the GOP the party of at least half smart people…I remember after the last election when welfare bots thought Palin was BO’s VP….bring the house….the votes are not enough, people need to get interested in the original America again….nostalgia politics

    These people are on TV everynight. Jersey Shore, Teenage moms, hell the stupid video shows…every talk, small claims court, advice, et al shows the Americans how stupid we all are.


  36. 37 | November 28, 2012 4:17 pm

    @ Lily:

    If it’s night in Georgia, then it’s morning in Hong Kong!

    :lol:


  37. 38 | November 28, 2012 4:18 pm

    @ Lily:

    He loves to campaign. Its what he’s good at. Governing, is another matter!


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    39 | November 28, 2012 4:18 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    These people are on TV everynight. Jersey Shore, Teenage moms, hell the stupid video shows…every talk, small claims court, advice, et al shows the Americans how stupid we all are.

    I want to see the reality show “Human Shields,” where a bunch of moonbats captured by al Qaeda vote every week as to who gets their head sawn off.


  39. 40 | November 28, 2012 4:18 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    But no one connects the dots. That is why there should be a showing called Obama voters. It would be hysterical.


  40. 41 | November 28, 2012 4:19 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I want to see the reality show “Human Shields,” where a bunch of moonbats captured by al Qaeda vote every week as to who gets their head sawn off.

    How about Jihad vs. Jihad. The show would be Hizballah vs. Al-Qaeda!


  41. buzzsawmonkey
    42 | November 28, 2012 4:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    How about Jihad vs. Jihad. The show would be Hizballah vs. Al-Qaeda!

    I wouldn’t mind a weight-reduction show, “Lose that Ugly Fatah!”


  42. buzzsawmonkey
    43 | November 28, 2012 4:21 pm

    Apropos this morning’s thread, check out the link in #1.


  43. 44 | November 28, 2012 4:22 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I wouldn’t mind a weight-reduction show, “Lose that Ugly Fatah!”

    :lol:


  44. 45 | November 28, 2012 4:23 pm

    I want to see a show called the Adventures of St. Pancake!

    It’s about the little bull-dozer that could.


  45. bluliner10
    46 | November 28, 2012 4:24 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Genius! I am good with that. Already said I am a bad Catholic because I support the death penalty…if it comes from Sharia violations … good to go!
    @ Rodan:
    America’s dumbest citizens! Get some D List hacks to make sarcastic comments…


  46. Lily
    47 | November 28, 2012 4:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    vote present, give them twice what they want…I say this with great reluctance…but be thoroughly prepared with alternatives and candidates…the numbers are against us…and pray for a populist tax revolt

    Let it Burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Easy to say but hard to do. Too many innocents will suffer and one of those innocents will be my son. So many people believe in this scorched earth mentalitiy but too many will suffer because of it. Instead patriots should stand up for the innocents who had nothing to do with obama being re-elected. So let’s have it then!!!!!!! Not me I will see the suffering up close and personal and it isn’t going to be pretty if that’s the way you want to go just to see an obama voter suffer.


  47. 48 | November 28, 2012 4:28 pm

    @ Lily:

    SO what would you do? Obama is not interested in a deal.


  48. Lily
    49 | November 28, 2012 4:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    If it’s night in Georgia, then it’s morning in Hong Kong!

    LOL! I’m sure it is! 8-)


  49. 50 | November 28, 2012 4:29 pm

    How would your son suffer if the Obamaotts get what they want?


  50. Lily
    51 | November 28, 2012 4:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    He loves to campaign. Its what he’s good at. Governing, is another matter!

    Yep couldn’t agree more..how people think he is great is well beyond sane. But a lot of people voted for him because of obamacare …there is going to be a shock coming to them concerning that.


  51. taxfreekiller
    52 | November 28, 2012 4:30 pm

    Obama’s lies are weaponized bull shit.


  52. waldensianspirit
    53 | November 28, 2012 4:35 pm

    It might end up being a ‘social’ event but it won’t be justice


  53. Lily
    54 | November 28, 2012 4:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    SO what would you do? Obama is not interested in a deal.

    Great question. I don’t know. Obama if viewed as some type of savior by too many in this country. But being the flip-side of the obama coin? There has to be something. I have no pity or sympathy for anyone who voted for obama for sure. If you can find a way for the ones that voted for obama to feel what they voted for all well and good problem is too many people who had nothing to do with getting obama re-elected are going to suffer too. Do you want to see that too?
    I don’t have the answer but a scorched earth thinking …… you know and I know it could backfire big time. Taking a risk here. With obama at the helm I don’t know …he isn’t like any other politician I have ever seen…we need to be thinking outside of the box. Sure whatever happens I surely want it hung around his neck big time.


  54. waldensianspirit
    55 | November 28, 2012 4:39 pm

    Get loud!


  55. Lily
    56 | November 28, 2012 4:39 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    How would your son suffer if the Obamaotts get what they want?

    My son is disabled and obamacare is surely not going to do him any favors already we are feeling the obamacare because of his disablity…we are paying huge amounts for insurance that refuses to pay for his meds and we are paying huge amounts of money for his meds. He will be un-worthy of obama-care. Yeah I have some game in this.


  56. waldensianspirit
  57. Lily
    58 | November 28, 2012 4:41 pm

    @ Lily:

    And if everything does come crushing down …then so does our income…and then we will not have the money to pay for what he needs.


  58. bluliner10
    59 | November 28, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ Lily:
    Lily, we are all going to suffer, with the exception of those who can actually get away.


  59. 60 | November 28, 2012 4:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    SO what would you do? Obama is not interested in a deal.

    Here’s what I’d do:


  60. 61 | November 28, 2012 4:43 pm

    @ Lily:

    That is why I want a 30% tax on entertainment profits.


  61. Lily
    62 | November 28, 2012 4:45 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Lily, we are all going to suffer, with the exception of those who can actually get away.

    I am aware of that. I just don’t want to see it. I really don’t. I understand that things will have to come crushing down to get out of this spiral (yeah I took economics in school they still taught it then) half of me understands it..the other half is a mother ….


  62. waldensianspirit
    63 | November 28, 2012 4:46 pm

    Clock is ticking Obama. Ya got 4 years. Not a second more. Then your reign will be over. And history will not be kind


  63. yenta-fada
    64 | November 28, 2012 4:46 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    So odd, Argentina’s bonds all of them come to trouble, Greece, Spain, others not far behind, inflation has to be going on world wide,,,,,

    yet gold falls like a rock……very odd the markets

    Corzine got a slap on the wrist for stealing other people’s money. MF Global and LIBOR were blatant manipulation of commodities and interest rates that are still going on. The markets and pricing of commodities are fictions driven by massive paper bets.


  64. Lily
    65 | November 28, 2012 4:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    That is why I want a 30% tax on entertainment profits.

    Good start with them…only them. They helped him get back in office let them know what they did. Not sure if they will blame him or the Republicans at this point. With obama ….he is hard to predict. Very hard. Unusally hard.


  65. 66 | November 28, 2012 4:48 pm

    It is the individual stories that the Democrats seize on to get their massive entitlements passed.


  66. 67 | November 28, 2012 4:48 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    :lol:


  67. waldensianspirit
    68 | November 28, 2012 4:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    That is why I want a 390% tax on entertainment profits.


  68. 69 | November 28, 2012 4:49 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    It is the individual stories that the Democrats seize on to get their massive entitlements passed.

    Anecdotocracy; government by anecdote.


  69. Lily
    70 | November 28, 2012 4:51 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Clock is ticking Obama. Ya got 4 years. Not a second more. Then your reign will be over. And history will not be kind

    Good heavens I hope so that history will not be kind. I saw a sy-fy show that was in the future and they had obama on their money in the show…dear heavens really?????????


  70. bluliner10
    71 | November 28, 2012 4:52 pm

    @ Lily:
    I am a rough, grumpy, crusty Marine. But I do have empathy and sympathy for those who deserve it. Marines started Toys for Tots, we are suckers for kids. But your pragmatic side has to be your guide here too. How do we prepare for this? Not sure.


  71. Da_Beerfreak
    72 | November 28, 2012 4:52 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    So odd, Argentina’s bonds all of them come to trouble, Greece, Spain, others not far behind, inflation has to be going on world wide,,,,,

    yet gold falls like a rock……very odd the markets

    Corzine got a slap on the wrist for stealing other people’s money. MF Global and LIBOR were blatant manipulation of commodities and interest rates that are still going on. The markets and pricing of commodities are fictions driven by massive paper bets.

    One good shock and the whole system will come unglued. :evil:


  72. 73 | November 28, 2012 4:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    That is why I want a 30% tax on entertainment profits.

    I’d also add professional sports salaries, ticket prices, product endorsements.


  73. yenta-fada
    74 | November 28, 2012 4:53 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Lily:

    And if everything does come crushing down …then so does our income…and then we will not have the money to pay for what he needs.

    My guess is that oil is, despite the MSM news, going to get more expensive. I don’t know if that helps your husband. I certainly hope so, although nobody wants to see higher oil prices. You know what I think about preservation of savings and purchasing power.


  74. 75 | November 28, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup, I am with you!


  75. 76 | November 28, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Sounds good to me.


  76. Lily
    77 | November 28, 2012 4:55 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I am a rough, grumpy, crusty Marine. But I do have empathy and sympathy for those who deserve it. Marines started Toys for Tots, we are suckers for kids. But your pragmatic side has to be your guide here too. How do we prepare for this? Not sure.

    I have done what I can ….or at least what I can do..I am sure his doctors will continue to treat him. No matter what. But much here lies on me and my husband keeping ourselves in the black…so far we are ….we have done everything we could or can to stay there too.


  77. 78 | November 28, 2012 4:56 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I’d also add professional sports salaries, ticket prices, product endorsements.

    Don’t forget COLLEGE sports; they’re nothing but semi-pro farm teams -- tax the coaching staff’s salaries and the apparatus behind big-time college sports. That hits academia where it hurts.


  78. yenta-fada
    79 | November 28, 2012 4:57 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I believe there will be a global currency re-set. Just yesterday they added the Canadian and Aussie dollars to the currency basket known as SDRs (Special drawing rights) Both of those currencies are commodity based and are very small in terms of the population of the two countries. It’s all done openly, but nobody cares or understands the implications of these arcane financial deals.


  79. Lily
    80 | November 28, 2012 4:59 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Lily:

    And if everything does come crushing down …then so does our income…and then we will not have the money to pay for what he needs.

    My guess is that oil is, despite the MSM news, going to get more expensive. I don’t know if that helps your husband. I certainly hope so, although nobody wants to see higher oil prices. You know what I think about preservation of savings and purchasing power.

    Could help. We have everything that matters paid off and money in a safe place. So we have done everything we can to handle the roller-coaster ride we are about to get on..well the one we have been on and this time the roller coaster ride is on steroids with obama being re-elected.


  80. bluliner10
    81 | November 28, 2012 5:00 pm

    @ Lily:
    We are but a small break from the tempest. I have officially begun the real world job search again today as my request for retirement should be at Headquarters Marine Corps today. While I don’t have too many concerns regarding the pension, I do have great fear that medical coverage will not be what I was promised 30 years ago.


  81. yenta-fada
    82 | November 28, 2012 5:01 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I am a rough, grumpy, crusty Marine. But I do have empathy and sympathy for those who deserve it. Marines started Toys for Tots, we are suckers for kids. But your pragmatic side has to be your guide here too. How do we prepare for this? Not sure.

    This is not a site I normally visit, but this article is very good.

    http://usawatchdog.com/msm-ignored-real-issues/


  82. 83 | November 28, 2012 5:02 pm

    Democrats have been using the tax code as a political club for years. Years ago there was some sort of surtax on yachts and in ’08, Obama spent months talking about taxing private jets. I don’t think taxes are necessarily illegal if they’re industry-specific (tobacco, alcohol, oil, etc. have been singled-out for decades).

    Let’s have a barbecue with their sacred cows and demonize their friends!


  83. Lily
    84 | November 28, 2012 5:02 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    We are but a small break from the tempest. I have officially begun the real world job search again today as my request for retirement should be at Headquarters Marine Corps today. While I don’t have too many concerns regarding the pension, I do have great fear that medical coverage will not be what I was promised 30 years ago.

    There in lies the problem…the medical coverage. obamacare is going to be a disaster to be honest. And too many people voted for obama because of this evil bill!!!!! They don’t know what’s in it…but they think it is going to be good?!?!?


  84. waldensianspirit
    85 | November 28, 2012 5:05 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Lily:
    That is why I want a 30% tax on entertainment profits.

    I’d also add professional sports salaries, ticket prices, product endorsements.

    All non-essentials liberals love


  85. bluliner10
    86 | November 28, 2012 5:10 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Can’t argue with anything in there. To include the President’s new powers which have been ignored. When the PATRIOT Act was signed, it was clutch the pearls…we are looking at people in the US???? Yes, if they were communicating with known or suspected bad guys. We could follow that web. There was no real change to what restraints and constraints already existed for the Intelligence Community. However, the Administration has made everything in bounds. So much for the freedom to feel secure in our person and homesteads…what is next? Do you have to prepare a room for me? Crusty for President 2016.


  86. Lily
    87 | November 28, 2012 5:14 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Have to agree with the article. The MSM coverage was unreal. Trying to gin up race riots, class warfare and the war on women that never exsisted.


  87. Da_Beerfreak
    88 | November 28, 2012 5:15 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I believe there will be a global currency re-set. Just yesterday they added the Canadian and Aussie dollars to the currency basket known as SDRs (Special drawing rights) Both of those currencies are commodity based and are very small in terms of the population of the two countries. It’s all done openly, but nobody cares or understands the implications of these arcane financial deals.

    If I’m not mistaken it’s another sign that the U.S. dollar’s days as a reserve currency is nearing the end.


  88. bluliner10
    89 | November 28, 2012 5:16 pm

    @ Lily:
    When I was in Okinawa, my girlfriend at the time was Japanese. The universal health care was great for routine checkups, dental visits and preventative care. But one of her fellow tourguides was diagnosed with lukemia, she was given a treatment regimen and when that failed she passed on. There was no impetus to actually try and save the woman from a treatable disease. Here is your program if it fails, sorry. Japan is short 20% of the necessary doctors for a population of its size, and that is getting worse as the population is aging and not being replaced. As much as I loved Okinawa and would return, I would not stay there without a US military presence.


  89. lobo91
    90 | November 28, 2012 5:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Have to agree with the article. The MSM coverage was unreal. Trying to gin up race riots, class warfare and the war on women that never exsisted.

    Unlike the war on white men, which is very real.


  90. 91 | November 28, 2012 5:18 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Let’s have a barbecue with their sacred cows and demonize their friends!

    I am with you!


  91. 92 | November 28, 2012 5:19 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    So you were turning Japanese, I really think so!

    :lol:


  92. Lily
    93 | November 28, 2012 5:21 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    When I was in Okinawa, my girlfriend at the time was Japanese. The universal health care was great for routine checkups, dental visits and preventative care. But one of her fellow tourguides was diagnosed with lukemia, she was given a treatment regimen and when that failed she passed on. There was no impetus to actually try and save the woman from a treatable disease. Here is your program if it fails, sorry. Japan is short 20% of the necessary doctors for a population of its size, and that is getting worse as the population is aging and not being replaced. As much as I loved Okinawa and would return, I would not stay there without a US military presence.

    Where ever it is tried …it doesn’t work..this universal health-care does it? Yet people here think it is going to be just great!! They are nuts.


  93. yenta-fada
    94 | November 28, 2012 5:21 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I believe there will be a global currency re-set. Just yesterday they added the Canadian and Aussie dollars to the currency basket known as SDRs (Special drawing rights) Both of those currencies are commodity based and are very small in terms of the population of the two countries. It’s all done openly, but nobody cares or understands the implications of these arcane financial deals.

    If I’m not mistaken it’s another sign that the U.S. dollar’s days as a reserve currency is nearing the end.

    When nobody shows up to buy your Sovereign Debt, it’s a pretty strong sign that your currency is not trusted. People don’t know about Treasury Bond auctions and how money is created except for geeks like us who must just be untrusting types.


  94. Lily
    95 | November 28, 2012 5:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Have to agree with the article. The MSM coverage was unreal. Trying to gin up race riots, class warfare and the war on women that never exsisted.

    Unlike the war on white men, which is very real.

    Yes it is….my husband has been trying to tell me this for a while…he was right.


  95. bluliner10
    96 | November 28, 2012 5:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ bluliner10:
    So you were turning Japanese, I really think so!

    I had a great 4 years there. My wife was there for almost 17 years and wants to go back also. Okinawans and Thai’s have a really good relationship that goes back centuries.


  96. 97 | November 28, 2012 5:23 pm

    Heh, just what we were talking about….

    KATY PERRY TEAMS UP WITH ANTI-TAXERS TO FIGHT BIG GOVERNMENT

    A coalition of 125 celebrity musicians, including pop singer Katy Perry, have joined forces with anti-tax advocates including Grover Norquist and the National Taxpayers Union (NTU) to oppose an intellectual property “reform” bill that critics charge expands government to the detriment of the free market.

    It all changes when it’s THEIR ox being gored. We should gore their oxen en masse.


  97. bluliner10
    98 | November 28, 2012 5:24 pm

    @ Lily:
    Only works in the short term. By the time the first bills actually come due, that is the second generation wondering why the care has changed so drastically for the worse.


  98. lobo91
    99 | November 28, 2012 5:25 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’m fairly certain that I’ll never have a decent job again.


  99. Lily
    100 | November 28, 2012 5:25 pm

    These people are just unreal. Really unreal.

    Former Stimulus Chief Says Obama Plans To Tax And Regulate Junk Food To Force People To Eat Healthier

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/28/former-stimulus-chief-says-obama-plans-to-tax-and-regulate-junk-food-to-make-people-eat-healthier/


  100. yenta-fada
    101 | November 28, 2012 5:27 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    Crusty the clown. Oh yeah. Turns out The Simpsons is a reality show?
    Canada is not safe from the rest of the world’s activities. I just had a friend, who is a really good person, send me financial info from a virulent Jew hater. She doesn’t even see that side of him. It’s like Ron Paul. Just because he gets a few things right doesn’t mean you want to give him more power. He’s a bigot. I’m intolerant of intolerance.


  101. Lily
    102 | November 28, 2012 5:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I’m fairly certain that I’ll never have a decent job again.

    I hope that isn’t true. I really do.


  102. taxfreekiller
    103 | November 28, 2012 5:27 pm

    Not bad, need to securitize this one….$$$$@ taxfreekiller:


  103. bluliner10
    104 | November 28, 2012 5:27 pm

    @ lobo91:
    clearancejobs dot com…


  104. yenta-fada
    105 | November 28, 2012 5:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Have to agree with the article. The MSM coverage was unreal. Trying to gin up race riots, class warfare and the war on women that never exsisted.

    Unlike the war on white men, which is very real.

    Very very rich white men don’t count. Not a political statement, just an observation.


  105. bluliner10
    106 | November 28, 2012 5:30 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Actually crusty is a ‘term of endearment’ for older Marines. Normally, one so covered in ‘sea salt’ from multiple deployments he is now crusted. Mine also came from an eye injury playing hockey in Texas. A couple young Marines were discussing nicknames, so I asked what I was called. They said Crusty from when I would coat my eye in bacitracin and it would dry and crust over my eye…that nickname was as popular as my original nickname…nobody left who calls me that.


  106. Lily
    107 | November 28, 2012 5:30 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ bluliner10:

    Crusty the clown. Oh yeah. Turns out The Simpsons is a reality show?
    Canada is not safe from the rest of the world’s activities. I just had a friend, who is a really good person, send me financial info from a virulent Jew hater. She doesn’t even see that side of him. It’s like Ron Paul. Just because he gets a few things right doesn’t mean you want to give him more power. He’s a bigot. I’m intolerant of intolerance.

    People by their own accord now days cannot see the true evil lying in their path..they see what they want to see and if you try to tell them different you are the one who can’t see. There is no getting through to these types of people because they don’t want to believe something that goes against what they believe. Belief and Facts…they will chose belief over facts every single time. (I’m talking about politic’s here not religious belief’s.)


  107. lobo91
    108 | November 28, 2012 5:32 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    clearancejobs dot com…

    I’ve never seen anything there worthwhile other than IT-related jobs, which is not me. I’ve pretty much given up on going to job fairs, because all they ever have are construction, truck driving and IT jobs. Half the booths are schools.


  108. yenta-fada
    109 | November 28, 2012 5:32 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    That’s quite a story!


  109. bluliner10
    110 | November 28, 2012 5:33 pm

    @ lobo91:
    what are you looking for?


  110. Lily
    111 | November 28, 2012 5:33 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    Indeed a good story. :)


  111. 112 | November 28, 2012 5:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I’m fairly certain that I’ll never have a decent job again.

    I don’t know how old you are, but there’s substantial age discrimination out there that’s virtually freezing out the 50+. Anyone who’s in that age group and still working should thank God for their good fortune. Younger people are being seriously hindered and delayed in their career path and the older are oft being jettisoned thus prematurely ending theirs.


  112. yenta-fada
    113 | November 28, 2012 5:35 pm

    @ Lily:

    You are correct, I think. You simply cannot talk to someone with a closed mind. They would rather hold to their set of facts, so they dismiss you because it threatens their world view. It’s very sad, as you well know. I am a wimp who does not like to see people suffer. (of course, I can always make an exception or two, lol)


  113. bluliner10
    114 | November 28, 2012 5:35 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Thanks…when we were in Iraq, one friend from way back who was my boss got the Crusty nickname started on our Staff…everybody to include the Commanding General was calling me Crusty. My friend and I were at our initial training school together in 84, so I got him back by calling him Highlander as he was (still is 10 years older than me)…good times.


  114. 115 | November 28, 2012 5:36 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    Your wife is Thai? Man, you must get great meals!


  115. yenta-fada
    116 | November 28, 2012 5:39 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Heh, just what we were talking about….

    KATY PERRY TEAMS UP WITH ANTI-TAXERS TO FIGHT BIG GOVERNMENT

    A coalition of 125 celebrity musicians, including pop singer Katy Perry, have joined forces with anti-tax advocates including Grover Norquist and the National Taxpayers Union (NTU) to oppose an intellectual property “reform” bill that critics charge expands government to the detriment of the free market.

    It all changes when it’s THEIR ox being gored. We should gore their oxen en masse.

    The first comment from that post:

    “And how many of these SFBrains celebutards backed the big-government candidate of the century? Sucks when your boneheaded decisions come back to bite you doesn’t it? This is just one small example of how decisions made reap unintended consequences. But liberals will cut off their nose to spite their face if it advances the progressive agenda. They’re fine with the government grabbing everyone else’s earnings as long as they get to keep theirs.”


  116. 117 | November 28, 2012 5:40 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That’s all he knows how to do. Meanwhile, the GOP leadership sits around with their thumbs up their ass saying “woe is us” instead of going out there and putting the facts forward.


  117. lobo91
    118 | November 28, 2012 5:41 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I don’t know how old you are, but there’s substantial age discrimination out there that’s virtually freezing out the 50+. Anyone who’s in that age group and still working should thank God for their good fortune. Younger people are being seriously hindered and delayed in their career path and the older are oft being jettisoned thus prematurely ending theirs.

    Yup. I’ll be 52 next month


  118. lobo91
    119 | November 28, 2012 5:43 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    what are you looking for?

    My background is in operations and training. I’m more likely to find something with DOD than in the private sector. The way things are now, though, if you don’t have 10 point preference, you can pretty much forget federal jobs if you’re not a favored minority.


  119. 120 | November 28, 2012 5:44 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    This is why we should use the tax code to…ahem…”raise revenue” from those “one per centers”. Singling out industries for extra taxation is something they’ve been doing to the tobacco, alcohol and oil industries (to name just a few) for years. Let’s go after the “windfall profits” fro the entertainment and sports industries!


  120. bluliner10
    121 | November 28, 2012 5:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    what are you looking for?
    My background is in operations and training. I’m more likely to find something with DOD than in the private sector. The way things are now, though, if you don’t have 10 point preference, you can pretty much forget federal jobs if you’re not a favored minority.

    That is one thing I am thankful that I am leaving active duty. I can afford to take a contract and not worry about too much else. Are you CSM or SGM?


  121. bluliner10
    122 | November 28, 2012 5:47 pm

    @ Rodan:
    She is a good cook, and her friends are all older Thai ladies in their late 60′s and 70′s. Awesome Thai food! Kao Pad Nu, Pad Thai, and we just looked at her house in Thailand. Pretty nice, her brother and his wife live there and maintain it.


  122. Lily
    123 | November 28, 2012 5:48 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Lily:

    You are correct, I think. You simply cannot talk to someone with a closed mind. They would rather hold to their set of facts, so they dismiss you because it threatens their world view. It’s very sad, as you well know. I am a wimp who does not like to see people suffer. (of course, I can always make an exception or two, lol)

    Unfortunately people who hold these types of belief’s don’t care if you suffer. I don’t care to see people suffer either. But people who hold these extreme and unreal belief’s don’t have a great deal of sympathy unless it is for themselves. Because they are right and you are wrong. And damn the facts!


  123. lobo91
    124 | November 28, 2012 5:49 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    SGM


  124. bluliner10
    125 | November 28, 2012 5:50 pm

    Later all


  125. bluliner10
    126 | November 28, 2012 5:51 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I am Master Gunny…same boat. Bn Ops Chief.


  126. 127 | November 28, 2012 5:52 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I suggest the Congress adopt that jerk Paul Krugman’s idea -- let’s tax incomes over $5 million at a 90% rate; let’s tax incomes over $1 million at 60%. That ought to shut everybody up that’s into income distribution.

    Then he can explain where all the jobs went.


  127. Lily
    128 | November 28, 2012 5:52 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    Later!


  128. Lily
    129 | November 28, 2012 5:56 pm

    And obama doesn’t care one damn bit.

    Iran’s Nuke Chief Vows To Continue Enriching Uranium “With Intensity”…

    (Reuters) – Iran will go on enriching uranium “with intensity” and the number of enrichment centrifuges it has operating will rise substantially in the current year, the country’s nuclear energy chief was quoted as saying on Wednesday.

    The comments by Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani, head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organisation, signaled continued defiance in the face of international demands that Tehran halt enrichment to the higher 20 percent fissile purity level, close down its Fordow enrichment plant, and ship out its stockpile of the material.

    But Abbasi-Davani also said Iran would continue and possibly raise its output of reactor fuel using 20 percent enriched uranium, which could allay concerns that a growing stockpile of the higher-grade material could be put to making atom bombs.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/28/irans-nuke-chief-vows-to-continue-enriching-uranium-with-intensity/


  129. Lily
    130 | November 28, 2012 6:11 pm

    I must admit I did kill this thread. :(


  130. yenta-fada
  131. 132 | November 28, 2012 6:22 pm

    @ Lily:

    Nah, Lily -- the East Coast is on its way home and the West Coast is busy in the afternoon -- you “Central” zone people are just the Zona Twilita at the moment.


  132. yenta-fada
    133 | November 28, 2012 6:23 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I must admit I did kill this thread.

    It’s dinnertime up here. Hubby is doing dinner. yay.
    It’s not you…..the thread is just breaking up with you because of the thread. :-)


  133. Lily
    134 | November 28, 2012 6:25 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    True….caught in the twilight zone! ;)


  134. 135 | November 28, 2012 6:26 pm


    POOR HOUSEHOLDS EARNING $13K PER YEAR SPEND OVER $1K ON LOTTERY TICKETS

    I believe the sad truth is that you could take all the wealth in this country, divide it equally among the population and in ten years, we would have a segment living in abject poverty and another segment living in opulent wealth.


  135. 136 | November 28, 2012 6:26 pm

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.


  136. Lily
    137 | November 28, 2012 6:29 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    If you look at many of the lottery winners ….many are broke just a few years later. You gotta learn how to handle money for one. Spending a lot of money with none coming in isn’t a great plan. Plus you got to be able to say NO too. And on the other hand it might just get you killed winning so much money all at once.

    Trial begins for Florida woman accused of murdering lottery winner

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/28/florida-woman-on-trial-for-allegedly-murdering-mega-millions-lottery-winner/#ixzz2DYy9cluT


  137. Lily
    138 | November 28, 2012 6:30 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.

    You don’t see me saying that. I have children and grandchildren too.


  138. yenta-fada
    139 | November 28, 2012 6:32 pm

    96% of Ivy League Faculty and Staff campaign donations went to the Dems:

    http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4511


  139. 140 | November 28, 2012 6:33 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    She is a good cook, and her friends are all older Thai ladies in their late 60′s and 70′s. Awesome Thai food! Kao Pad Nu, Pad Thai, and we just looked at her house in Thailand. Pretty nice, her brother and his wife live there and maintain it.

    You got me hungry!


  140. heysoos
    141 | November 28, 2012 6:35 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.

    got a better idea?…share it


  141. 142 | November 28, 2012 6:35 pm

    Lily wrote:

    You gotta learn how to handle money for one. Spending a lot of money with none coming in isn’t a great plan.

    Yeah, the geniuses in Washington need to learn that simple lesson.


  142. yenta-fada
    143 | November 28, 2012 6:35 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.

    Who said that? Not me and the Southern Belle.


  143. Lily
    144 | November 28, 2012 6:36 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.

    got a better idea?…share it

    You share yours first. You don’t pay taxes and refuse to so that is the plan?


  144. yenta-fada
    145 | November 28, 2012 6:37 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.

    got a better idea?…share it

    Not a helpful comment from you.


  145. heysoos
    146 | November 28, 2012 6:37 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.

    Who said that? Not me and the Southern Belle.

    I said it…but I’m open to any options and MikeC has one


  146. Lily
    147 | November 28, 2012 6:38 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    You gotta learn how to handle money for one. Spending a lot of money with none coming in isn’t a great plan.

    Yeah, the geniuses in Washington need to learn that simple lesson.

    It’s a very simple idea…you don’t spend more than you take in…what a novel idea huh??? Yet the folks in D.C. can’t figure that one out.


  147. 148 | November 28, 2012 6:39 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Who said that? Not me and the Southern Belle.

    We should call Lily “Miss Lily”, she has that air of southern gentility.


  148. yenta-fada
    149 | November 28, 2012 6:40 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Who said that? Not me and the Southern Belle.

    We should call Lily “Miss Lily”, she has that air of southern gentility.

    Right. (we won’t talk about the ‘parasol of doooom’, lol)


  149. Lily
    150 | November 28, 2012 6:41 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Thank you MacDuff… LOL!!!! ;)


  150. 151 | November 28, 2012 6:41 pm

    Republicans have to stand up for real cuts in spending before they even consider supporting an increase in tax rates. And those rates have to start well about the $250,000 income level (200k for an individual) being pushed by Obama.

    We’ve been stabbed in the back too many times to go along with the ‘we’ll cut spending next year’ line fed to us by the left.


  151. heysoos
    152 | November 28, 2012 6:42 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.
    got a better idea?…share it

    You share yours first. You don’t pay taxes and refuse to so that is the plan?

    I don’t have a problem raising taxes on the wealthy, never have…I say give BO this fake political scheme and let people live with it…if conservatives don’t hold liberals responsible, who will?…condemn them for their actions


  152. yenta-fada
    153 | November 28, 2012 6:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    She is a good cook, and her friends are all older Thai ladies in their late 60′s and 70′s. Awesome Thai food! Kao Pad Nu, Pad Thai, and we just looked at her house in Thailand. Pretty nice, her brother and his wife live there and maintain it.

    You got me hungry!

    And a house in Thailand where it doesn’t snow. Now I’m jealous.


  153. Lily
    154 | November 28, 2012 6:42 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Or the duct tape and red finger nail polish. :shock:


  154. Lily
    155 | November 28, 2012 6:43 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    8-)


  155. 156 | November 28, 2012 6:44 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.

    Honestly, we’re not going to have a lot of say in it. I don’t think it’s as much a matter of wanting to burn it down as much as it is being unable to put out the fire that’s already alight.


  156. Lily
    157 | November 28, 2012 6:45 pm

    @ heysoos:

    So it’s the scorched option for you. Too many suffer with that. It’s only the flip side of the coin of obama. How about Congress not being afraid of the obama administration and growing a damn back-bone for a change.


  157. 158 | November 28, 2012 6:45 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    the ‘parasol of doooom’

    Gawd, thats funny! :D


  158. Da_Beerfreak
    159 | November 28, 2012 6:46 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.

    So who is going to stop the collapse?? The Fools in DC Town ain’t going to do shit about it.


  159. Lily
    160 | November 28, 2012 6:46 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Doesn’t snow where I live. Ever hardly…. ;)


  160. heysoos
    161 | November 28, 2012 6:46 pm

    as I see it, the issue is less about taxation, which is way too little, than about cuts in fed spending…BO is smart enough to put the ball in republican hands, so that failure rests with them…turn the tide against them…offer to raise revenue via the very people that voted for BO


  161. Da_Beerfreak
    162 | November 28, 2012 6:48 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    You gotta learn how to handle money for one. Spending a lot of money with none coming in isn’t a great plan.

    Yeah, the geniuses in Washington need to learn that simple lesson.

    Therein lays a major part of the problem; there ain’t any geniuses in DC Town.


  162. yenta-fada
    163 | November 28, 2012 6:51 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.

    So who is going to stop the collapse?? The Fools in DC Town ain’t going to do shit about it.

    From another blog:

    “What is the difference between ignorance and apathy? — I don’t know and I don’t care”.


  163. 164 | November 28, 2012 6:52 pm

    Hey, give Obama his damned “soak the rich” tax scheme in exchange for serious and meaningful spending cuts. We need to call his bluff and a substantial number of these alleged “rich” probably voted for him to begin with.

    Geez, we’re protecting the incomes of the likes of Katie Perry and Oliver Stone, even while they defend Obama!


  164. Da_Beerfreak
    165 | November 28, 2012 6:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Doesn’t snow where I live. Ever hardly….

    Snowed here last Wednesday and the snow is still here. :sad: Really could use more global warming here… :wink:


  165. 166 | November 28, 2012 6:54 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    herein lays a major part of the problem; there ain’t any geniuses in DC Town.

    Well, I was being sarcastically facetious, or facetiously sarcastic, whichever you prefer…but I think you already knew that. ;)


  166. Canoe Convoy
    167 | November 28, 2012 6:56 pm

    For all of these economic and political troubles, we’re going to need someone who is more than just a modern-day Winston Churchill. I’m not certain who that would be.


  167. 168 | November 28, 2012 6:57 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    They have beautiful beaches.


  168. Da_Beerfreak
    169 | November 28, 2012 6:57 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.

    So who is going to stop the collapse?? The Fools in DC Town ain’t going to do shit about it.

    From another blog:

    “What is the difference between ignorance and apathy? — I don’t know and I don’t care”.

    Sounds like something from an old Abbott and Costello bit. :lol:


  169. Da_Beerfreak
    170 | November 28, 2012 6:59 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Couldn’t resist a softball like that… :grin:


  170. Canoe Convoy
    171 | November 28, 2012 7:00 pm

    Already going a bit “Galt” here in S Wisconsin. I have no other choice.


  171. buzzsawmonkey
    172 | November 28, 2012 7:01 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    DC Town

    Hey, now that they’ve repealed DA/DT, that’s AC/DC Town, buddy.


  172. 173 | November 28, 2012 7:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    You know what? I’ve got children. And my children have children. Fuck this sophmoric “let it all burn down” horseshit.
    got a better idea?…share it

    Yeah, I do. Stand and fight. Go down in a pile of empty brass if you have to, but never give in. I believe some old, white Brit said something about that 70 some-odd years ago. Come to think of it, some old, white guy said much the same at St. John’s Church in Richmond, Virginia on March 23, 1775.

    Ghandi once said the Jews in Warsaw should have just proudly marched off to the ovens to make a point. Ghandi was, in many ways, a blithering idiot. And I would say exactly the same of anybody that thinks giving in to the FSA is somehow going to turn things around.


  173. 174 | November 28, 2012 7:02 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Couldn’t resist a softball like that…

    I did leave a bit of a hole there….


  174. 175 | November 28, 2012 7:03 pm

    Later, peeps. Have a pleasant evening!


  175. Da_Beerfreak
    176 | November 28, 2012 7:04 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    For all of these economic and political troubles, we’re going to need someone who is more than just a modern-day Winston Churchill. I’m not certain who that would be.

    IMOHO I think it will have to be the States acting together to force real reforms on the Fools in DC Town. We the People just don’t have the power needed to force the needed reforms at the national level.


  176. 177 | November 28, 2012 7:06 pm

    @ Canoe Convoy:

    What part of WI? I spent a year in college up in Point.


  177. Canoe Convoy
    178 | November 28, 2012 7:07 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak: How close are we to getting an Article 5 Constitutional Convention ? I seem to recall that there was discussion of this in some circles in years past.


  178. Da_Beerfreak
    179 | November 28, 2012 7:07 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    DC Town

    Hey, now that they’ve repealed DA/DT, that’s AC/DC Town, buddy.

    I was just being lazy. I like to call that place ‘Mordor on the Potomac’ which is a lot closer to the truth than just calling it [AC/]DC Town. :mrgreen:


  179. Canoe Convoy
    180 | November 28, 2012 7:07 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    Just west of Madison.


  180. 181 | November 28, 2012 7:12 pm

    @ Canoe Convoy:

    All right!

    I enjoyed Point. If the chance came up, I’d probably move back. I remember driving from Point down to Madison for a concert at the Madison Civic Center in April of ’85. Buddy Rich opened for Maynard Ferguson.

    See ya’ later! Off to small group @ church.


  181. Da_Beerfreak
    182 | November 28, 2012 7:13 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak: How close are we to getting an Article 5 Constitutional Convention ? I seem to recall that there was discussion of this in some circles in years past.

    Don’t know what the current count is or if there even is a count being taken. But if enough States get pissed of at DC Town there will be one.


  182. taxfreekiller
    183 | November 28, 2012 7:14 pm

    From Bloomberg News.
    Argentina won an appeals court ruling that delays them haveing to pay the non deal bond holders in full, to Feb. 27, 2013.

    Lots of stuff being put off, but time marches on as mean old mr time does not even know we exist.


  183. Lily
    184 | November 28, 2012 7:17 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    For all of these economic and political troubles, we’re going to need someone who is more than just a modern-day Winston Churchill. I’m not certain who that would be.

    IMOHO I think it will have to be the States acting together to force real reforms on the Fools in DC Town. We the People just don’t have the power needed to force the needed reforms at the national level.

    At the state level might happen…but then again no telling what revenge obama is going to do them…but I agree to that scorched earth option is apathy. So we let everything go up in flames to make a point?????? Seems like this mentality is the reason we have obama for a second term…too many republicans didn’t vote or turn out and vote because Romney is not enough ___________ fill in the blank! The Republican party is fractured really bad and it isn’t just the politicians either …it goes all the way down to the voter. Because OMG there is a war on women (idiots) or OMG (fools) Romney is going to repeal obamacare or OMG (dunderheads) Romney isn’t conservative enough…compared to what obama???? Really I have been reading ever since the election all kinds of excuses and all this let obama have it then to show those imbeciles who voted for obama and make them suffer. No there is always a another way. Always.


  184. Lily
    185 | November 28, 2012 7:23 pm

    Well at least they don’t want to change things. *shakes head*

    Disgraced Ex-Congressman Who Served Prison Time For Sexual Assault On A Minor And Fraud To Run For Jesse Jackson Jr’s House Seat…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/28/disgraced-ex-congressman-who-served-prison-time-for-sexual-assault-on-a-minor-and-fraud-to-run-for-jesse-jackson-jrs-house-seat/


  185. Bumr50
    186 | November 28, 2012 7:25 pm

    I just came back from running some errands.

    I had to stop at the ATM.

    When I drove up, I discovered that somebody had left their ATM in the machine, asking ME if I wanted another transaction.

    Having seen a vehicle on the other side of the bank, idling with someone in it, I took the card and receipt to them hoping it was theirs.

    It wasn’t. But the lady was stopped because the same thing had happened to her. She had someone ELSE’S card.

    She volunteered to take the cards to the local fire hall, where they could alert the police.

    It didn’t occur to me what had happened until I went across the street to the gas station for smokes and saw an angry line of people wanting lottery tickets.

    These fools were so excited to play the lottery, they left their bank accounts hanging wide open.


  186. Lily
    187 | November 28, 2012 7:31 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Winning the lottery…about as much of a chance as getting hit by lightning.

    When the lottery was first started here my brother asked me if I was going to go buy some lottery tickets (he was living with my husband and me at the time). I said “Why? It wouldn’t make a big difference because hubby would put it all in savings maybe he would let us go hog wild on a $100.” Hubby says, “A hundred dollars???? That’s crazy talk..maybe $50.” I then told my brother I rest my case. ;)


  187. 188 | November 28, 2012 7:34 pm

    New Thread.


  188. yenta-fada
    189 | November 28, 2012 7:35 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Oy veh. Those would be the people you don’t want to encounter during any kind of crisis. Not at the supermarket or the bank.


  189. Da_Beerfreak
    190 | November 28, 2012 7:40 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    @ Lily:
    It’s a tax on the mathematically challenged… :twisted:


  190. Lily
    191 | November 28, 2012 7:44 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Yep..if they would put every single dollar they would spend buying lottery tickets in a jar or bank account …they might have something in the long run even if it is only a few thousand dollars. My hubby is of the mind…save, save, and then again save some more. ;)


  191. Da_Beerfreak
    192 | November 28, 2012 7:48 pm

    @ Lily:
    The only way to make DC Town stop abusing its power is to take the power away. Only the States working together have enough power to take on DC. It has already started with some of the States refusing to setup insurance exchanges for obamacare. The battle for the future of this Country has begun. :cool:


  192. Lily
    193 | November 28, 2012 7:48 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Oh when I was younger I put myself in the “Publishers clearing house” scam….realized it was a scam..then pretend I won it and everything. So I got to experience what I would do with a lot of money ….it worked. ;)
    Imagination was all I needed then I went to work to actually bring in the money. I knew me winning anything was never going to happen. :)


  193. Lily
    194 | November 28, 2012 7:50 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I do believe it has. I don’t want to sit back and just say “let obama have want he wants” Fight back darn it!!!!


  194. Da_Beerfreak
    195 | November 28, 2012 8:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I do believe it has. I don’t want to sit back and just say “let obama have want he wants” Fight back darn it!!!!

    I think that the only way we have a chance of getting things changed (and/or fixed) is to work though the States. The big question is do we have enough time left to do it??


  195. 196 | November 28, 2012 8:00 pm

    @ Lily:

    I was afraid he’d show his fugly face up in Обамаград…


  196. Lily
    197 | November 28, 2012 8:08 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Good question…how much time do we have???


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