Without Comment.
The Hague tribunal has cleared former Kosovo’s PM Ramush Haradinaj of war crimes during the military conflict in Serbia in late 1990s. Serbian president says court’s decision annuls efforts to normalize ties between Belgrade and Pristina.
The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in Hague has ruled that Kosovo ex-PM Ramush Haradinaj, also a former commander of Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), and two of his subordinates are not guilty of any crimes during the 1998-1999 war.
The three men were accused of torture and killing of ethnic Serbs, Roma and those Albanians who collaborated with Serbs while KLA was establishing control of the western Kosovo.
In 2008 Haradinaj together with co-defendants Idriz Balaj and Lahi Brahimaj were already acquitted but later the court had admitted that witnesses were intimidated and reversed the acquittal. Four years later, in an unprecedented for the Hague tribunal re-trial, the Albanians have been acquitted for the second time.
Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic denounced the verdict, saying it “fuels separatism, delivers a blow to efforts at establishing peace in the region, annul efforts so far in normalizing ties between Belgrade and Pristina and fuels euro-skepticism among the Serbian people.”
Haradinaj’s acquittal only added to a list of cases, in which the ICTY refused to sentence militants accused of war crimes against Serbs during the war that followed disintegration of former Yugoslavia in 1990s. Just recently, on 16 November 2012, the ICTY acquitted Croatian General-Leutenant Ante Gotovina of war crimes against Serbs, though in April 2011, he was found guilty on eight of the nine counts of the indictment and sentenced to 24 years in prison.
Ex-Kosovo PM’s acquittal was anticipated by Serbian officials and media after Gotovina was freed. The judgment enraged the Serbian community both in Belgrade and in Kosovo.
“The Hague is laughing in Serbia’s face with this acquittal,” Belgrade political analyst Aleksandar Pavic told RT.
Pavic went on to dub The Hague tribunal as anti-Serb, an opinion which is very popular in the country.
“The Hague tribunal was set up in 1993 when the US was the only country that really mattered at the time. And this tribunal was specifically designed pretty much a tribunal for the Serbs, to make sure the Serbs are declared a guilty party in all the wars in the early 1990s [which] were in fact caused by the West intervention – military and diplomatic,” Pavic argued.
Ramush Haradinaj served as Kosovo Prime Minister for only 100 days in 2005 before he had to quit because of his first trial in Hague.
Haradinaj, the founder of the Alliance for the Future of Kosovo party, has a lot of supporters among Kosovo Albanians. They celebrated his acquittal with large banners in the capital Pristina, having watched the verdict live on a giant screen.
Ramush Haradinaj’s lawyer Ben Emmerson told journalists his client plans to come back to politics.
“With the consent of the people, he will soon be resuming his rightful position as the political leader of the country,” Emmerson told the media at the court in Hague.
Kangaroo courts. No one should put up with them or let them dress like a real court.
It reads like a prelude to another large war with Russia influence spreading down the Baltic while Obama plays with the MB.
We could find ourselves allied with the MB and fighting Christians.
darkwords wrote:
it wont get that bad. the russians will clear out the problem before we get out of committee
darkwords wrote:
I will protest any war with Christians for Muslims. Of-course Obama and the GOP Establishment will love seeing Americans die for the Muzz.
@ coldwarrior:
I am really tired of the US always siding against Christians.
darkwords wrote:
I agree.
These are John McCain’s buddies.
I will never support some supposedly international tribune or court system…you fight and die where you stand…
there is a legit purpose for some form of law and cooperation where it comes to maritime authority, space, the internet etc, but prosecuting international ‘crimes’ is a bust…just look at how corrupt the UN is…people who involve themselves in revolution, repression, warfare, atrocity etc are targets…better have some very nice friends to back you up
@ heysoos:
its a fools errand. oddly ALL of the serbs are guilty and NONE of the muzz are.
kinda weird in a hard core knock down draq out fight that has been going on since 1000AD.
Rodan wrote:
and W’s and billy jeffs, and …..
Rodan wrote:
you would think that with all of these christan right wingers there would have been a change since bill clinton…guess not.
looks like they really dont give a shit
coldwarrior wrote:
yes, it’s complicated, biased and unending…say you’re a retired merc, or renagade official from subSaharan Africa…you made a ton of money and you are sitting in a carwash in Atlanta when some guy walks up a kills you for wasting a village and killing innocents….so be it, that’s justice served through the backdoor…it’s the way the world works…for some guy in Belgium to try and figure out the good guys from the bad, 3000k miles and years away is futile
coldwarrior wrote:
For some reason the media and our government only looked at one side of that war and pushed the narrative that the Serbs were committing genocide….well from what I have read about that conflict it was very much a two-way street and no one dared to mention that the other side was very brutal at all. So since then the Serbs have been smeared yet the other side gets a pass. I saw pictures and video’s of excatly what the other side was doing and they were doing horrible stuff..especially in Christian Churches.
@ heysoos:
i like that.
karma
@ Lily:
yeah, our ‘leaders’ in DC saw the balkans in a one decade view.
this fight is a thousand years old. maybe if the serbs were protestant DC would have backed them against the muzz. we backed the repression of catholics in northern ireland for decades.
but then again, no one in DC even reacts when hundreds of protestants (CofE) are murdered in nigeria by muzzies. i guess our dear leaders just love the muzzies.
@ heysoos:
So walking up to someone at a car wash and killing them is justice?
/That’s vigilante justice and you maybe killing the wrong person who did all those horrible deeds. Sure I agree the international courts concerning this are kangaroo courts too.
But isn’t that what the Serbs did try to redeem the mis-deeds that occurred back in history concerning what Kosovo did back in WWII? I don’t know what the answer is..but I do agree these courts are nothing but shows that do nothing.
Lily wrote:
it is if that guy is responsible for atrocities.
Lily wrote:
Lily wrote:
coldwarrior wrote:
Christians getting killed in massive numbers doesn’t make the news period. For some reason it is a-okay. Like I said above the Serbs were getting their revenge against the brutal things that were done to them and the other side wasn’t innocent at all. I don’t know what the answer to this is…during Rwanda the U.N. couldn’t even *define* what genocide was!! They haggled over that word so much thousands and thousands of people died while they tried to figure out what the definition of what *genocide* is! Unbelievable. Not to mention genocide is going on in Africa and no one says anything. *crickets*
coldwarrior wrote:
Gotta be sure though!
@ heysoos:
Well we as a country should consider the Taliban enemies on the spot. You cannot negotiate with these barbarians at all!!
/and guess what we had pretty much neutered them but when obama took office now 4 years later they are stronger than before. Unreal.
CW how is your wife doing? Mending well I hope!
Dang it …killed another thread.
as for subSaharan Africa….they need to get themselves on the map…to do that they need to make a difference economically…to do that they need to exploit their vast fertile grasslands and grow food…to do that they need to irrigate…to do that they need cheap power…presto!…an outfit here in Santa Fe has a device called the Hyperion, a nuclear power plant the size of a van…there are answers and solutions…but what happens to Canadian and American grain exports if Africa can feed itself and still export grain?…Africans are like livestock to the west and until they get their shit together, killing each other is all there is to do…it’s what they know
Lily wrote:
we are well….getting ready for a bonfire.
Lily wrote:
defeating the Taliban is a monumental problem…in theory we could, but it’s so unrealisic that nobody will go for it…and when you liquidate the Talis, there is the next guy…I’m not a defeatist, I’m trying to be a realist
And the obama voters I know who are (supposedly) religious think there is no war on Christianty….damn fools can’t even see the writing on the wall in front of them. So this “parent” must have a problem with the Pledge of Allegiance? The seperation of Church and State doesn’t mean you can’t mention God…it means the State cannot force a state religion upon you…stuff like this really gets me angry.
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/29/north-carolina-school-orders-6-year-old-girl-to-remove-word-god-from-poem-she-wrote-for-veterans-day/
@ coldwarrior:
Glad to hear that … I had to have a stress test today..which made me think of your wife. Very glad to hear she is well.
PUKE
Bombshell Susan Rice’s Enrichment Program
U.N. ambassador has investments in companies doing business with Iran, disclosure forms show……….The portfolio of embattled United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice includes investments of hundreds of thousands of dollars in several energy companies known for doing business with Iran, http://freebeacon.com/susan-rices-enrichment-program/
heysoos wrote:
We could easily defeat them…our military has learned a whole lot concerning fighting them. The problem is with the politicians in Washington and the horrible ROE’s. What is going on in Afganastan is a disgrace …. sure another one will pop up if you tie your military’s hands behind their backs. You let them do the job and the ones that might pop up will think twice. Right now the Taliban knows we are leaving…hence the set date by our president. So yeah they are re-gaining a lot of strength because that day we leave is coming soon.
@ Lily:
Someone ask this “superintendent” to point out where this “sparation of church and state” appears in the Establishment Clause.
My copy must be defective…
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@ heysoos:
There is more to it than that.
Storagemanager wrote:
unbelievable.
@ Storagemanager:
So again with the lunch invitation? It would have been petty of Romney not to attend.
@ Guggi:
What, that she’s invested in companies illegally doing business with Iran, or that she didn’t think anyone would notice?
Guggi wrote:
Makes one wonder what Obama is hiding.
@ Lily:
these atheist militants are really pissing me off…they attack a fundamental social belief for their own selfish, nosey ego…it’s criminal to deny someones hope, their faith…why the hell can’t they mind their own business?…because they themselves are corruptable and have some bizarre inferiority complex…fuck them…live and let live
Lily wrote:
why does the GOP feel they need to work with Demorats?
And now there are idiots protesting out in front of a McDonalds in Times Square because they aren’t unionized.
lobo91 wrote:
Excatly ….I do believe it is FREEDOM OF RELIGION…not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION..
This is about the fifth or so article I have seen concerning evening mentioning of God or anything to do with religiion. Here’s another one…good grief it’s at a memorial!!!!
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/29/judge-rules-atheist-court-case-seeking-removal-jesus-statue-meant-as-world-war/?test=latestnews#ixzz2DeSK8o5p
Speaking of Planet of the Apes, the UN General Assembly just voted to grant the Palestinians pretend statehood status.
Lily wrote:
yes, all of it man made, trumped up politics…with the amount of resources and manpower, nobody wants to see Africa self succeed
@ Lily:
Pretty soon, someone is going to sue to have the crosses removed from Arlington…
@ Guggi:
Each and every day there is something so totally unbelievable. If someone was keeping count..good grief the package would be bigger than the obamacare bill!
(and that is only since the election mind you.)
Storagemanager wrote:
I don’t wonder *if* obama is hiding anything…I know he is…I wonder all the *whats* he is hiding.
heysoos wrote:
I agree hey …this faux outrage is pissing me off too…how are they offended? They aren’t…I agree say live and let live. The little girls poem wasn’t shoving anything down anyone’s throat.
Beckel just said “Don’t you think the guy deserves a little time off?” about Obama’s 21 day Hawiian vacation plans.
Why? He just took the last two years off in order to run for re-election.
Prosecuting war crimes? That’s so 20th century. Come on, get with it, Barry is GOD.
Storagemanager wrote:
You really believe that? Really? What do expect the WH to say…obama was gloating at Romney saying he won and Romney didn’t??? This is outrage over nothing.
@ Storagemanager:
I’m missing your point
lobo91 wrote:
The world as we know it has gone insane. But then again if they are a state and start firing off missiles then oh well. Be careful what you wish for.
heysoos wrote:
I agree you can look towards the Arabs too concerning what is going on in Africa.
heysoos wrote:
for what post?
Lily wrote:
If the Lame Stream Media (LSM) doesn’t report it, it didn’t happen. Just ask any Mushroom, they always know what the truth is thanks to the LSM.
(How’d your test go?? Did you pass?? Or do you need more stress??)
lobo91 wrote:
The way things are going … I will not doubt that. It’s horrible. Good grief…one person is offended…so we have to do away with our culture to make them un-offended. It’s a disgrace for sure.
Lily wrote:
as soon as Nigeria started making money off their oil, the Islamists pounced…they either want to reap the profits themselves or shut down production…my prediction is that they will trash the Niger delta…one of the most pristine and delicate regions on Earth
@ Lily:
It’s not actual statehood, just “non-state observer” status, much like the Vatican has.
Even if they declared them to be an actual state, it wouldn’t matter. They can’t be held accountable for their actions, because they’re special.
As in “rides the short bus.”
Storagemanager wrote:
Cough..,.huma….cough
@ Lily:
Same thing happened in Lebanon. All you heard was about how evil the Phalangists (Kateb) were and how noble the Syrians, PLO, Hizballah and Amal was. We see how that turned out.
lobo91 wrote:
Well did Beckel the Jeckel forget *we* the tax-payers are paying for this little vacation not to mention the day he is leaving. That day is important..oh well doesn’t matter to the one.
@ lobo91:
It’s a meaningless declaration.
@ Urban Infidel:
Who in the hell would want to buy that??? I see his fact way too much as it is. Personally I would like to forget about him.
Rodan wrote:
What else would you expect from the UN?
Rodan wrote:
not really…it was a step toward full fledged statehood.
@ lobo91:
It’s racist to bring it up!
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Muslims do things one step at a time.
Rodan wrote:
yeah, the Muslims destroyed Beirut…smart..so smart, in fact, they will now destroy Appello, and maybe even Damascus…you GO! you crazy fuckers….wreck everything, destroy your culture
@ lobo91:
It’s a waste of our money.
@ heysoos:
They want to destroy the Sphinx and Pyramid.
@ Storagemanager:
If Palestine is a state, then Israel can declare war. The Palis better be careful what they wish for.
Storagemanager wrote:
who cares?…what does statehood mean to the Palis?…they can’t even spell the word…it’s a pig with lipstick
heysoos wrote:
It pretains to prophecy of the end of days when Israel will have nothing but enemies and the time is nigh when that happens.
(Basically that is what it means and it also means Israel will not fall)
I was almost banned from LGF for saying this…but..Islam is a cancer it destroys everything it touches.
Storagemanager wrote:
That is the Million dollar question!
Storagemanager wrote:
Which is yet another meaningless declaration.
You can’t make a country out of a collection of refugee camps.
@ Lily:
@ Lily:
okay, got it
Storagemanager wrote:
Here you get applause for saying that!
Lily wrote:
it seems close
@ heysoos:
They don’t even plan to grant citizenship to the majority of the people living there.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
LOL!!! Don’t know if I passed. At least I didn’t have a heart-attack having it. Plus yuck….it was a chemical stress test. So far I am waiting on the results of it…say some prayers for and/or cross your fingers my heart is okay.
@ Storagemanager:
Since that’s never going to happen, it seems pretty pointless.
heysoos wrote:
They seem to trash everything they touch…plus they are also getting China to do the work…heaven forbide they actually do the work themselves…killing and pillaring is what they do best.
lobo91 wrote:
the Palis are just feeling their oats because of the massive victory over the IDF
lobo91 wrote:
Nothing good will come of this. You give them an inch and then they want a not just a mile but a hundred miles.
@ lobo91:
It’s just symbolism. The Palis feel better about themselves, the world feels better and nothing changes. Now they can hand out lolipops!
@ heysoos:
The vote was interesting: 138-9, with 41 abstentions.
41 countries are too chicken to go on record.
Rodan wrote:
I remember that and that is what took me to the internet…what the media was reporting was biased and flat-out lies …so I went to the internet to start looking for the truth. During that time I knew a whole lot more about Islam than I did before 9/11. The media is reporting that Israel are the bad guys???????????? I went WTH?????
Rodan wrote:
Palipops for everyone!…the fact that Gaza even has a spokesman is a sure indication of Israeli restraint
lobo91 wrote:
41 guys who dig the NYC lifestyle….even the people that work there could give a shit…just keep that paycheck rolling in
@ heysoos:
Yeah, This is nothing to get worked up about.
heysoos wrote:
hollywood made America accept gays with shows like will and grace..it took 20 years but they changed the culture…one could say that was symbolism also.
@ lobo91:
Hey how about you start the Republic of Leia and go for a UN Vote?
Storagemanager wrote:
It is a pyroclastic flow that sucks very oxygen out of everything in its path.
Storagemanager wrote:
I could care less about gay behavior…not on my radar, not my business
@ Storagemanager:
The stars do seem to be aligning. But then again I wonder how people thought during WWII. Only the Father knows when that time will come and yes there have been signs pointing we are approaching that direction. But we have been approaching that direction ever since Christ died on the Cross. God’s time and our time are on a whole different scale.
heysoos wrote:
I am talking about how they change the culture…Muslims have been doing it since 9-11.
So the Palis got their own country? I guess that means that peace will break out all over the world and we’ll never, ever have to worry or even think about them ever again, right?
multi culti fun in the homeland…
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/11/29/15-year-old-afghan-girl-beheaded-for-rejecting-marriage-proposal/
Don’t think Muslims have changed the culture?….they attacked us on 9-11 and killed thousands…they just killed 4 Americas in Libya…and yet they are spoken about on tv everyday…as if they are heroes to be cheered.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Good heavens sounds a lot like the guy (that got re-elected) in the White House too.
Storagemanager wrote:
They did that primarily through massive infiltration of the entertainment industry.
Gays are over-represented in Hollywood by about 1000% compared to their numbers in the general population.
We are called bigots if we ask mohammad to put down the knife.
heysoos wrote:
And most certainly not be any laws for it or teaching grade-school kids about it either. Just saying.
Storagemanager wrote:
Beheading people is just part of their “culture.”
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@ Storagemanager:
It started before 9-11. In the Lebanese Civil War and the Balkans, the Muzz were painted as the good guys.
lobo91 wrote:
so are muslims..lol
Urban Infidel wrote:
Lily wrote:
Note the pic has the college kids mocking the statue by putting ski gear on it.
The statue was put up by a the Knights of Columbus group to honor the vets. They’re behavior is similar to the disrespect shown at the tomb of the unknown soldier.
I also think there needs to be research into just how much these atheist groups bribe local assholes to file these suits.
I think the solution here is to yank the land from the forest service. Federal government has no business owning this land anyway. Turn it over to the state.
lobo91 wrote:
as well as
Biden the GOP gona put yall in chains
Storagemanager wrote:
Look even after 9/11 and mean right after 9/11 you had people here in our country saying *we deserved it*…*our own country did it* ….and all that other hog-wash. I agree our country went nuts after 9/11 and now it is on steroids. Unfortunately we have gone way out of our way to say it is only a handful of extremists …when it’s not. Sooner or later we might actually start believing them when they say it is a *religious war* against us and we say it isn’t.
Storagemanager wrote:
But don’t try to sell an Obama statue in a fake jar of urine on eBay…
“I think the solution here is to yank the land from the forest service. Federal government has no business owning this land anyway. Turn it over to the state.”
there maybe resources there!…the feds need to control all the resources!….a damned good point, worthy of it’s own thread
Lily wrote:
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
@ Lily:
I’m fairly certain that 80% of Americans today don’t believe that the conflict between the Israelis and the entire rest of the Middle East is religious in nature.
They believe it’s about real estate.
Mars wrote:
What has our country come too???? Really. What has it done! When at memorials you can’t have a religious symbol ..it is down right nuts.
A wicked wind this way comes…..
heysoos wrote:
One thing that has gone unnoticed in the last 30 years. The Forest Service is being armed up. They already had sidearms which was fine for their “law enforcement” duties. But at the tail end of my fathers work with the federal government he noticed something, and it’s gotten worse. They were being assigned semi-auto military grade weaponry. He later got a report about 95 from people he still knew inside that they had begun upgrading to fully auto weaponry.
Now, word I’ve heard since his death, they are being issued drones.
Why do park rangers need military grade equipment?
lobo91 wrote:
I’m very sure you are right…this isn’t about land. Israel is very tiny…this is a religious war! Always has been and always will be.
Islam the opposite of anything good.
Storagemanager wrote:
Storage, here’s how it worked:
1) Communists start “homophile rights” organizations in the US following WWII, modeled on the homosexual-rights organizations begun by communists in Germany following WWI.
2) Radical-left SDSers and Maoists start “gay liberation” after the Stonewall riot, hold parades, get some political power in NYC and San Francisco, and win a few small court cases against overt discrimination.
3) Disco music and the “disco life style” popularizes gays and gay-male-bar-queen sexual behavior in the society at large during the 1970s. Promiscuity rises.
4) The gay movement gets national recognition by raising a stink over inclusion in the Dade County anti-discrimination law. Gays lose inclusion in the law, but the movement gains national recognition and shows it can ruin an opponent’s career.
5) Popularity or in-group-ness of “gay” continues when a few celebrities “come out” and with acts like the Village People. The movement starts talking up “the Pink Triangle,” i.e., homosexuals who died in the Nazi camps, to latch onto the Holocaust as the movement also tries to piggyback on the vestiges of the Civil Rights Movement.
6) AIDS hits. Gays start dying of mysterious illnesses, for which there seems no cure.
7) The movement does not let this crisis go to waste. It fights against closing major sources of infection such as backroom bars and bathhouses, raising the spectre of gays being “rounded up and put in camps.” In effect, the movement decides, under the guise of concern, to sacrifice thousands who will probably die anyway, so that
8) The society at large can be terrified by the (virtually nonexistent) threat that AIDS will break out in the larger population. Demonstrations are held to make a new, radicalized population out of young homosexuals; AIDS becomes the new fad cause, with red ribbons everywhere.
9) AIDS becomes manageable with “cocktail drugs.” The push for domestic partnership, and later, for same-sex marriage, begins.
Mars wrote:
Good question… do you have any idea why they are doing this?
@ heysoos:
Here’s a scary map: Percentage of land in each state under federal control.
lobo91 wrote:
They only need to crack a Bible…Abraham had two sons..one from the handmaid Hagar named Ishmael ( Islam ) and one from his wife Sarah named Isaac ( Israel ) it is the oldest feud in history.
lobo91 wrote:
thanks for that…I’m hip to the feds role in the west…it’s a good story, not usually satisfying and downright scandalous at times…and what goes round comes round…after 300 years of history it will come back to the original question…who owns the water?
@ lobo91:
Wow! Most of the western states are under federal government control. Yikes.
Lily wrote:
And it’s mostly the areas where the resources are.
Lily wrote:
New Mexico has about 2m people…it is the %th largest state by area, huge….you can’t drive 20 miles in any direction without being on federal, state, or Native land
Storagemanager wrote:
That doesn’t explain Islam…really it doesn’t. If we are going religious here I would venture that to counter-act Christianity and the Jewish religion..the devil created his own religiion through old Mo..that wasn’t an angel of God he was talking to.
@ heysoos:
Other states do.
@ Lily:
I do have a theory but it kind of dips into tinfoil hat territory.
Anyone recall the wons “civilian force” equal to the military? Well turns out a whole crapload of government agencies have been “gifted” large amounts of weapons and ammo over the last few years. This to me shows this wasn’t an O idea. This is something that started a long time ago with the libs. O just slipped and let the cat out of the bag. Fortunately the press ran interference for him and it was no harm no foul.
lobo91 wrote:
now go to the U.N. site and look up agenda 21….
Lily wrote:
I didn’t go that deep..most people turn off….I just try two show the links…
Mars wrote:
Well there was a lot of bullets being bought from the federal government that wasn’t going to the military. So you aren’t that far out as you may think.
@ Storagemanager:
Too
Storagemanager wrote:
I just don’t think it comes from Abraham’s second son there is no blood line to show this is so. This is just a grasphing theory in my opinion.
@ Lily:
There really wasn’t anything that odd about most of those ammo purchases. Most of the people who freaked out about them have no idea how much is used in training each year.
lobo91 wrote:
So that was much ado about nothing then? Makes sense.
Agenda 21 is real…it is on a un site.Lily wrote:
Mohammad claimed he was related to Abraham thru his son Kedar
@ Lily:
When you do the math, most of those purchases came out to 4 or 5 years’ worth of ammo. Like any other product, the larger the quantity you buy, the less it costs per unit.
@ Storagemanager:
messed up this post..sorry
@ Storagemanager:
Mohammed claimed a lot of things, the majority of which were bullshit.
Thus beginning a great Muslim tradition that continues today…
the UN…
so you go to a casino and sit down at a poker table, five card draw…you have 4 opponents sitting across from you that have conspired to beat you…everyone has the same amt of money…you cannot win…when you lose the others divide that loss between themselves…after awhile, even if you win here and there, it’s 4 to 1 and they spread out the winnings…you cannot win, no matter if the stakes are raised it’s still 4 to 1…the US cannot win at the UN Casino…it’s just mathematically impossible…if it takes all night, all week or a month you will lose…if you play for a year you will lose 365 times what you lost the first night…it’s simply inevitable
@ Lily:
That’s not to say that there aren’t issues related to the proliferation of armed federal employees.
I really don’t think the Department of Education needs a SWAT team, but it has one…
Storagemanager wrote:
And you believe what Mohammad said??? Look he twisted parts of the Torah and the Christian belief to make him seem *credible*. I think it’s hogwash he came from Abraham’s second son. So he *claimed* he was of that blood-line to make a case for his new religion. Doesn’t cut the test IMO.
@ heysoos:
And we set it up.
lobo91 wrote:
Nor does park service and forest service need military grade weaponry.
lobo91 wrote:
That is still the basis of the religion…that is a fact…it is in the muslim text…our believing it does not matter.
@ Lily:
Next you’re going to say that he didn’t ride a flying horse to heaven one night…
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@ Mars:
Actually, some of them might, given where they’re located and what they come up against.
lobo91 wrote:
pot growers have their own SWAT teams
@ Storagemanager:
The entire thing is bullshit, but that’s another matter.
@ lobo91:
Why does DOE need a swat team??? Why can’t the police handle it?
Or are they afraid the people will rise up against all these agencies????
@ heysoos:
And there’s a good bit of Park Service land close to the border.
heysoos wrote:
That is true.
However, the whole thing is incrementalism. Bit by bit they are increasing the forces inside government that are armed, they are also increasing what they are armed with. They don’t tell anyone, but, if they are found out they always have a rational excuse.
And here I thought our criminal justice system was slow.
lobo91 wrote:
I don’t give a shit about Mo, his Koran or Islam in general…I care about a 7.62 NATO coming at me…I don’t recognize Islam as a religion in terms of the deference paid…fuck them
check this one
Lily wrote:
different jurisdictions
Lily wrote:
it rounds out their budgets…gotta spend it somewhere
Storagemanager wrote:
I don’t believe anything is good in the Quran at all. It’s full of lies…and just because it says so in the Quran doesn’t make it true. It’s only in there so it can get some cred among the two main religions…the Jewish religion and Christianity….it’s only there so it can tie itself to them. If you notice in the Bible name after name is mentioned to prove Christ came from this blood-line. But in the Quran it’s just thrown in with no back-up. I say hog-wash.
Storagemanager wrote:
Go to your local college. Even here in MT there is always at least one class or conference on “sustainability”. I saw this back in 2002. And it’s still happening.
lobo91 wrote:
How did you know that???
lobo91 wrote:
10.
Integrated approach to the planning and management of land resources http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml
song_and_dance_man wrote:
The Department of Education doesn’t have jurisdiction over anything that would require a SWAT team. It writes checks.
lobo91 wrote:
the Old Mexico border is about 300m south of me…I go down there a couple of times a year…infiltration, locally is a huge problem…the Sebelius says were cool….you just have to wonder what planet these cats are from, and why they are so deceitful
@ Lily:
We are on the same page…don’t why you think we are not.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
No kidding…..this went at a snails pace…
Mars wrote:
We need a new Amendment banning the FedGov from owning any land outside of the District of Columbia. Any land the FedGov needs can be leased from the State the land is located in.
The States created the FedGov in 1789. Today the States can get rid of the FedGov and replace it with something else if they choose to do so.
heysoos wrote:
An old friend of mine knew of some growers in the local mountains. San Gabriel range. He told me, and I never was tempted to challenge the claim, that if I walked into that area there was a good chance I would be killed.
@ heysoos:
NatGeo had an entire TV series about it. Maybe they don’t have cable…
lobo91 wrote:
I didn’t follow ^^UP^^ on the discussion and thought DOE was referencing the Dept. of Energy.
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bite-the-bullet-weve-got-too-many-agencies-with-armed-agents/
song_and_dance_man wrote:
DOE has had very heavily armed personnel for decades, because it’s responsible for security at nuclear facilities.
I have no earthly idea why the Eductaion department needs SWAT teams.
Storagemanager wrote:
I don’t mean to be rude…but I think it’s blasphemous for Islam to be tied with Christianity and the Jewish religion. When people start saying Mo was decended from Abraham’s second son..I just have to roll my eyes.. I know we are on the same page ..but to promote the lies of the Quran to connect them with the other religions I don’t like.
Didn’t mean to be rude. I have just heard this line over and over and over again and people buy into it is all.
Think i will go to the basement and shoot some pool..night all.
Obama’s war on America.
http://freebeacon.com/susan-rices-enrichment-program/
Susan Rice, investing in Iran’s A-Bomb building.
Lily wrote:
Maybe they, the parties in concern, hoped with time everyone that followed the matter would forget it and cool their jets.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
I can understand taking his word for it.
@ Lily:
I have about the same respect for Islam that I do for Scientology.
At least Scientologists don’t go around killing people for not joining them (although they have been known to kill people who leave the group and say too much).
Lily wrote:
The Bible has good and evil…have you not heard of Babylon?…that is Islam also…..Babylon is all false RELIGION…
@ Storagemanager:
Nite Storagemanager!
Mars wrote:
Why does the FedGov love the DHS for $200??
lobo91 wrote:
A simple way to wrest parental control without the intervention of the local authorities. It is an interesting and disturbing trend, but I can see how maybe something like Columbine gave the Left an opportunity to take advantage of a crisis.
Storagemanager wrote:
Never said the Bible doesn’t mention evil…not really sure were you are going here. I do think Islam is evil but I don’t think mo came from the blood-line of Abraham is all. No matter what the Quran says.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
They have no jurisdiction at a public school.
I’ve come to the conclusion that even though it seems as if the left is reactionary, in fact they plan things out in roughly 50 year increments. Everything we are seeing now was planned out at least 50 years ago. And 50 before that and on and on.
@ Storagemanager:
Babylon wasn’t Islamic…now did Islam take parts of the Babylion’s oh hell yes..but Babylon was way before Christianity…still not sure where you are going with this.
Lily wrote:
According to them, though, Islam is the original religion, and Judaism and Christianity are corrupted versions of it, not the other way around.
Mars wrote:
See my #124 above, or my #120 in this morning’s “counterculture” thread, if you want to have an idea how the Long March through the culture that brought us to the same-sex marriage controversy came about.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
In fact they did take advantage of Columbine..after that happened you had gates and stuff in the schools…and everything you know about Columbine through the media is wrong. Those two kids weren’t bullied…they were the bullies…the media really did a number on that one. Twisted everything around.
I just googled DOE swat team. The story that the DOE has swat teams came from a Stockton raid on a student loan embezzler. It was executed by the Inspector Generals Office, which is an offshoot office of the DOE.
Lily wrote:
Revelation 17:4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery:
babylon the great
the mother of prostitutes
and of the abominations of the earth.
6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
lobo91 wrote:
Nothing but lies in that book..nothing good in it.
@ Lily:
Remember, they believe that the Kaaba (the big black cube thingie in Mecca) was built by Abraham.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yep.Lily wrote:
Amongst criminals schools are now called “free fire” zones due to their no tolerance weapons policies.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Student aid fraud doesn’t really seem like something you’d consider a “high risk” warrant service…
song_and_dance_man wrote:
pick any remote nuclear power plant or waste site…if either were robbed or even breached there would be no less than 4 SWAT teams arguing over turf…the county, the state, the FBI and the DoE who definitely has their own teams
Mars wrote:
What I would like to know is which part of the Constitution gives the FedGov any police powers in the first place??
Storagemanager wrote:
Well you can make a case there that Islam is the new Babylon. Because they still have Babylonian aspects to it even today.
lobo91 wrote:
it all gets too fantastical for me…I don’t believe any of it, but that’s another debate
lobo91 wrote:
Yeah I know…and they are all preachy about worshipping false idols and all..what is the rock? If not anything but a false idol. Hypocrites thy name is Islam.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Robert Bork makes a good analysis of this ‘Long March’ in his book Slouching Towards Gomorrah.
He would have made a fine SCOTUS jurist.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Million dollar question there.
@ Lily:
all false religion is Babylon…and it started in Iraq
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Instead, we have the First DA/DT Justice, Elena Kagen, who will be the one to write the Supreme Court opinion decreeing that same-sex marriage is a matter of “equal protection” and effectively rendering the First Amendment a dead letter.
lobo91 wrote:
That was built by the Borg. No, not Victor.
the difference between Islam and Christianity is the behavior, not the roots of the myths…every religion has their sacred artifacts
Storagemanager wrote:
“Global warming” is the modern-day Tower of Babel; “Let us build a tower up to the heavens, and make a name for ourselves.”
The story of the Tower of Babel is the story of man being so taken with his own brilliance that he sets himself up against God.
lobo91 wrote:
Why the story made a big noise is the perp no longer lived there and the ‘agents’ arrested an innocent family. Children included.
Abraham was called from Ur…the land of the moon god ( islam ) Mohammad took one god from the arabs over 300 and made him the god….he is the moon god of UR.
Storagemanager wrote:
Don’t know what to say here…but this is before the flood right?
And what was written on the head of the woman was a mystery right?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Today’s Tower of Babel is Giant Government. Their goal is not to reach God, but to replace him.
heysoos wrote:
Unless your mole was selling to the Chinese.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Sounds like global warming (like humans can control the weather..really?) and obama letting others set himself up like some god…and he certainly doesn’t say anything at all to make them stop it..he likes it.
symbols of the mood god
Judges 8:25 “We will willingly give them,” they answered. So they spread a garment, and each threw into it an earring he had taken as booty. 26 The weight of the golden earrings that he requested was one thousand seven hundred shekels of gold (apart from the crescents and the pendants and the purple garments worn by the kings of Midian, and the collars that were on the necks of their camels).
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
There are many such Towers today; giant government is merely one of them.
The Jewish tradition says that the reason for the tower was that Nimrod, the king at the time, wanted to make war on the heavens, i.e., to overthrow God and reign in His stead.
All attempts to substitute “science”—whether genuine science or pseudoscience like “global warming” or “eugenics” or the “science” which communism believes itself to be—for the divine are variants on the Tower of Babel.
Lily wrote:
after
@ Storagemanager:
Okay thanks.
mohammad took the mood god and made the god..allah was around before mohammad.
how many gods are there do you figure?
The idea of Babylon being the mother of all harlotry is clothed in allegory.
There is a running idea/truth in scripture, that is the Hebrew and Jew/Gentile ones, that describe a marriage between God and his people. The Song of Songs is a perfect example of this, and moving to the post Jesus age, the people are called the church and the bride of Christ.
The harlot is a facsimile and all encompassing expression of those who marry another while being inherently bound to the creator. She is a harlot, and adulterer.
The vision John saw of the Harlot is the wayward bride that denies God in unfaithfulness who ride the Beast of a degenerating world system. She is the collective of those who follow other gods whether they be fallen spirits or man made institutions. Islam and the secular humanism are only two components, but you can see what the meaning is by just these two.
Mohammad’s father was named name Abdullah ..it mean’s the “slave of Allah”….how could one be a slave of something you don’t know about?
@ heysoos:
One.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Thanks for that explantion.
now..for that game of 8 ball.
Storagemanager wrote:
How could Mohammed have made his “night journey” from the “furthest mosque” in Jerusalem when there were no mosques in Jerusalem at the time?
Logic and Islam don’t mix…
lobo91 wrote:
logic and religion don’t mix
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
The other interesting thing about Nimrod is, he was a hunter of men. He sought out men to join his ‘conspiracy’ in alignment. IIRC he was the first to build cities where people could be indoctrinated to a pagan lifesytle devoid of the traditions that came down from the faithful ancestors of Adam.
heysoos wrote:
right on
@ heysoos:
Logic and religion do mix. Just have to look for it. There are many false religions…but logic and religion do mix if give it chance. But that is a choice for you and only you to make. To believe or not to believe. Your choice.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Which also falls into line with “By their fruits you shall know them”
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Just got the results of stress test..I flunked. Heart doctor soon.
Storagemanager wrote:
Sellout.
Mark my words.
Storagemanager wrote:
We oughta sell the vast majority of that land to pay off the national debt. And quit SPENDING fercryinoutloud!
Lily wrote:
Leia says if you take the pills with peanut butter like she does, it’s not so bad.
Lily wrote:
Ouch!! Good luck & Prayers.
Lily wrote:
I agree with that. That is the whole idea behind apologetics.
@ lobo91:
LOL! Seems I have the beginnings of some blockages … this is what I didn’t want to hear at all.
Lily wrote:
I was told to get one of those plus a 24 hr heart monitor. Can’t afford either one and won’t be able to for the foreseeable future.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Thanks..almost had me thinking I passed…until about an hour ago..no news was good news…but I got news.
@ Lily:
She doesn’t let me forget, either. Every morning I get up, let her out, and she comes back in and waits for her pill.
Or it could be the peanut butter.
@ 1389AD:
Need to go get the test done. For your own good. Really.
@ lobo91:
Glad Leia is doing well. Very glad.
Lily wrote:
I’m sorry to hear that.
I’ve had a couple scary moments this week and am tempted to do one. But, they only want to do the treadmill stress test with me and my asthma isn’t compatible with it. (Freaking VA)
Lily wrote:
Yep. And my prayers are with you.
@ Mars:
They will not do the chemical one??? That’s the one I had. I had two bad spells in the last month. No heart-attack…but something is going on. I really, really am not happy about this.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Thank you I’m going to need all I can get.
Lily wrote:
Nope, everytime they bring it up, it’s automatically “We’ll schedule the treadmill”.
(VA -- Government healthcare coming soon to everyone.)
@ Mars:
Sorry to hear about that.
lobo91 wrote:
I have no idea what Lily looks like, but the mental pic of her taking a pill on a pat of peanut butter is hard to imagine.
@ song_and_dance_man:
LOL
@ song_and_dance_man:
I’m only 53 little 5’2″ slight of build and short hair.
@ lobo91:
Hubby just gave me my aspirin …no peanut butter though. Right now that is all they have me taking till I get to heart doc.
@ Lily:
Yes, you are definately vertically challenged.
@ Calo:
Yeah I had another spell this week…went straight to stress test today…they said there might be some blockages starting up. This is not what I wanted to hear …at all.
@ Lily:
I didn’t mean to make light of your condition; only wanted to interject a little humor.
I’m 55, a bit overweight and am forging for 80 to 90, god willing.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Didn’t think you were … I thought it was funny!!! It is what it is. Yuck….or fiddle-sticks darn it.
@ song_and_dance_man:
We are all different shapes and sizes…
@ Lily:
I am glad you heeded my advice then.
Best to catch this stuff early.
@ Calo:
I am rather scared of it. Told you I’d flunk that damn thing…the only thing I’ve gotten right all year long! (I was hoping I would stay on my being wrong streak…naturally this is the one I was hoping I was wrong on.)
Calo wrote:
Leia agrees.
But she still thinks Lily should hold out for peanut butter, or at least that spray cheese stuff.
My mom, who is 85, is finally succumbing to old age. She is a fighter and will beat her kidneys into compliance for at least another year. But knowing her she will live for a few more years.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Prayers up for your mother!
@ Lily:
The doc thinks you have some partial blockages.
It will either be controlled with medicine or by a cardiac cath with stents dropped in to fix the blockage.
Either way, it is better than having a 100% blockage that you are unaware of.
Now, I won’t tell your mom about this if you promise to quit smoking in January with me.
@ Calo:
Hard bargin there but it looks like I’m going to have to slow down and quit smoking..sure wish you were here when they do whatever they do….haven’t told mom yet.
Don’t know when my appt is for heart doc. Probably know tomorrow. Now if the pain lasts for more than a few minutes have to go to ER. I really hope I don’t have another spell. Really.
@ Lily:
Meh, if you need me to come out, I will.
It’s only a few hours away.
Tell your mom after, if you can control that flow of information.
It will ease your stress a bit not to have to worry about her reaction.
And, I will not speak of your mom anymore tonight here. Gotta keep you smiling.
@ Calo:
Oh you are so busy with the season and all. No I’m not telling my mom right now. Yep I have to keep calm huh? I’ll let you know what the heart doc says…not sure when I will get in. Took forever for the doc to get my insurance to approve of the stress test…I think the second spell did it. Happened Tuesday morning.
Going to go watch Saints game nite all …and nite {{{Calo}}}!
@ Lily:
Lily, I can take a few days off if I need to.
That’s why I pay my employees.
I’ll be in touch.
Go enjoy the Saints.
@ Lily:
Night
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