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It isn’t war crimes if it was done against Christians

by coldwarrior ( 276 Comments › )
Filed under Balkans, Bigotry, Dhimmitude, Europe, George W. Bush, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Politics, Racism, Religion at November 29th, 2012 - 3:00 pm

Without Comment.

 

The Hague tribunal has cleared former Kosovo’s PM Ramush Haradinaj of war crimes during the military conflict in Serbia in late 1990s. Serbian president says court’s decision annuls efforts to normalize ties between Belgrade and Pristina.

­The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in Hague has ruled that Kosovo ex-PM Ramush Haradinaj, also a former commander of Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), and two of his subordinates are not guilty of any crimes during the 1998-1999 war.

The three men were accused of torture and killing of ethnic Serbs, Roma and those Albanians who collaborated with Serbs while KLA was establishing control of the western Kosovo.

In 2008 Haradinaj together with co-defendants Idriz Balaj and Lahi Brahimaj were already acquitted but later the court had admitted that witnesses were intimidated and reversed the acquittal. Four years later, in an unprecedented for the Hague tribunal re-trial, the Albanians have been acquitted for the second time.

Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic denounced the verdict, saying it “fuels separatism, delivers a blow to efforts at establishing peace in the region, annul efforts so far in normalizing ties between Belgrade and Pristina and fuels euro-skepticism among the Serbian people.”

Haradinaj’s acquittal only added to a list of cases, in which the ICTY refused to sentence militants accused of war crimes against Serbs during the war that followed disintegration of former Yugoslavia in 1990s. Just recently, on 16 November 2012, the ICTY acquitted Croatian General-Leutenant Ante Gotovina of war crimes against Serbs, though in April 2011, he was found guilty on eight of the nine counts of the indictment and sentenced to 24 years in prison.

Ex-Kosovo PM’s acquittal was anticipated by Serbian officials and media after Gotovina was freed. The judgment enraged the Serbian community both in Belgrade and in Kosovo.

“The Hague is laughing in Serbia’s face with this acquittal,” Belgrade political analyst Aleksandar Pavic told RT.

Pavic went on to dub The Hague tribunal as anti-Serb, an opinion which is very popular in the country.

“The Hague tribunal was set up in 1993 when the US was the only country that really mattered at the time. And this tribunal was specifically designed pretty much a tribunal for the Serbs, to make sure the Serbs are declared a guilty party in all the wars in the early 1990s [which] were in fact caused by the West intervention – military and diplomatic,” Pavic argued.

Ramush Haradinaj served as Kosovo Prime Minister for only 100 days in 2005 before he had to quit because of his first trial in Hague.

Haradinaj, the founder of the Alliance for the Future of Kosovo party, has a lot of supporters among Kosovo Albanians. They celebrated his acquittal with large banners in the capital Pristina, having watched the verdict live on a giant screen.

Ramush Haradinaj’s lawyer Ben Emmerson told journalists his client plans to come back to politics.

“With the consent of the people, he will soon be resuming his rightful position as the political leader of the country,” Emmerson told the media at the court in Hague.

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276 Responses to “It isn’t war crimes if it was done against Christians”
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  1. darkwords
    1 | November 29, 2012 2:45 pm

    Kangaroo courts. No one should put up with them or let them dress like a real court.


  2. darkwords
    2 | November 29, 2012 2:47 pm

    It reads like a prelude to another large war with Russia influence spreading down the Baltic while Obama plays with the MB.

    We could find ourselves allied with the MB and fighting Christians.


  3. coldwarrior
    3 | November 29, 2012 3:29 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    It reads like a prelude to another large war with Russia influence spreading down the Baltic while Obama plays with the MB.
    We could find ourselves allied with the MB and fighting Christians.

    it wont get that bad. the russians will clear out the problem before we get out of committee


  4. 4 | November 29, 2012 3:50 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    It reads like a prelude to another large war with Russia influence spreading down the Baltic while Obama plays with the MB.
    We could find ourselves allied with the MB and fighting Christians.

    I will protest any war with Christians for Muslims. Of-course Obama and the GOP Establishment will love seeing Americans die for the Muzz.


  5. 5 | November 29, 2012 3:51 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I am really tired of the US always siding against Christians.


  6. 6 | November 29, 2012 3:52 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Kangaroo courts. No one should put up with them or let them dress like a real court.

    I agree.


  7. 7 | November 29, 2012 3:53 pm

    These are John McCain’s buddies.


  8. heysoos
    8 | November 29, 2012 4:07 pm

    I will never support some supposedly international tribune or court system…you fight and die where you stand…
    there is a legit purpose for some form of law and cooperation where it comes to maritime authority, space, the internet etc, but prosecuting international ‘crimes’ is a bust…just look at how corrupt the UN is…people who involve themselves in revolution, repression, warfare, atrocity etc are targets…better have some very nice friends to back you up


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | November 29, 2012 4:10 pm

    @ heysoos:

    its a fools errand. oddly ALL of the serbs are guilty and NONE of the muzz are.

    kinda weird in a hard core knock down draq out fight that has been going on since 1000AD.


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | November 29, 2012 4:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    These are John McCain’s buddies.

    and W’s and billy jeffs, and …..


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | November 29, 2012 4:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I am really tired of the US always siding against Christians.

    you would think that with all of these christan right wingers there would have been a change since bill clinton…guess not.

    looks like they really dont give a shit


  12. heysoos
    12 | November 29, 2012 4:17 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    its a fools errand. oddly ALL of the serbs are guilty and NONE of the muzz are.
    kinda weird in a hard core knock down draq out fight that has been going on since 1000AD.

    yes, it’s complicated, biased and unending…say you’re a retired merc, or renagade official from subSaharan Africa…you made a ton of money and you are sitting in a carwash in Atlanta when some guy walks up a kills you for wasting a village and killing innocents….so be it, that’s justice served through the backdoor…it’s the way the world works…for some guy in Belgium to try and figure out the good guys from the bad, 3000k miles and years away is futile


  13. Lily
    13 | November 29, 2012 4:19 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I am really tired of the US always siding against Christians.

    you would think that with all of these christan right wingers there would have been a change since bill clinton…guess not.

    looks like they really dont give a shit

    For some reason the media and our government only looked at one side of that war and pushed the narrative that the Serbs were committing genocide….well from what I have read about that conflict it was very much a two-way street and no one dared to mention that the other side was very brutal at all. So since then the Serbs have been smeared yet the other side gets a pass. I saw pictures and video’s of excatly what the other side was doing and they were doing horrible stuff..especially in Christian Churches.


  14. coldwarrior
    14 | November 29, 2012 4:22 pm

    @ heysoos:

    i like that.

    karma


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | November 29, 2012 4:25 pm

    @ Lily:

    yeah, our ‘leaders’ in DC saw the balkans in a one decade view.

    this fight is a thousand years old. maybe if the serbs were protestant DC would have backed them against the muzz. we backed the repression of catholics in northern ireland for decades.

    but then again, no one in DC even reacts when hundreds of protestants (CofE) are murdered in nigeria by muzzies. i guess our dear leaders just love the muzzies.


  16. Lily
    16 | November 29, 2012 4:25 pm

    @ heysoos:

    So walking up to someone at a car wash and killing them is justice?
    /That’s vigilante justice and you maybe killing the wrong person who did all those horrible deeds. Sure I agree the international courts concerning this are kangaroo courts too.
    But isn’t that what the Serbs did try to redeem the mis-deeds that occurred back in history concerning what Kosovo did back in WWII? I don’t know what the answer is..but I do agree these courts are nothing but shows that do nothing.


  17. coldwarrior
    17 | November 29, 2012 4:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    So walking up to someone at a car wash and killing them is justice?

    it is if that guy is responsible for atrocities.


  18. heysoos
    18 | November 29, 2012 4:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    So walking up to someone at a car wash and killing them is justice?
    /That’s vigilante justice and you maybe killing the wrong person who did all those horrible deeds. Sure I agree the international courts concerning this are kangaroo courts too.
    But isn’t that what the Serbs did try to redeem the mis-deeds that occurred back in history concerning what Kosovo did back in WWII? I don’t know what the answer is..but I do agree these courts are nothing but shows that do nothing.

    I consider violating Astan sovereignty and attacking the Taliban as vigilante justice…my scenario presumes the guy is guilty…it’s hypothetical

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    So walking up to someone at a car wash and killing them is justice?
    /That’s vigilante justice and you maybe killing the wrong person who did all those horrible deeds. Sure I agree the international courts concerning this are kangaroo courts too.
    But isn’t that what the Serbs did try to redeem the mis-deeds that occurred back in history concerning what Kosovo did back in WWII? I don’t know what the answer is..but I do agree these courts are nothing but shows that do nothing.


  19. Lily
    19 | November 29, 2012 4:31 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Lily:

    yeah, our ‘leaders’ in DC saw the balkans in a one decade view.

    this fight is a thousand years old. maybe if the serbs were protestant DC would have backed them against the muzz. we backed the repression of catholics in northern ireland for decades.

    but then again, no one in DC even reacts when hundreds of protestants (CofE) are murdered in nigeria by muzzies. i guess our dear leaders just love the muzzies.

    Christians getting killed in massive numbers doesn’t make the news period. For some reason it is a-okay. Like I said above the Serbs were getting their revenge against the brutal things that were done to them and the other side wasn’t innocent at all. I don’t know what the answer to this is…during Rwanda the U.N. couldn’t even *define* what genocide was!! They haggled over that word so much thousands and thousands of people died while they tried to figure out what the definition of what *genocide* is! Unbelievable. Not to mention genocide is going on in Africa and no one says anything. *crickets*


  20. Lily
    20 | November 29, 2012 4:32 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    So walking up to someone at a car wash and killing them is justice?

    it is if that guy is responsible for atrocities.

    Gotta be sure though!


  21. Lily
    21 | November 29, 2012 4:35 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Well we as a country should consider the Taliban enemies on the spot. You cannot negotiate with these barbarians at all!!
    /and guess what we had pretty much neutered them but when obama took office now 4 years later they are stronger than before. Unreal.


  22. Lily
    22 | November 29, 2012 4:37 pm

    CW how is your wife doing? Mending well I hope!


  23. Lily
    23 | November 29, 2012 4:38 pm

    Dang it …killed another thread. :(


  24. heysoos
    24 | November 29, 2012 4:40 pm

    as for subSaharan Africa….they need to get themselves on the map…to do that they need to make a difference economically…to do that they need to exploit their vast fertile grasslands and grow food…to do that they need to irrigate…to do that they need cheap power…presto!…an outfit here in Santa Fe has a device called the Hyperion, a nuclear power plant the size of a van…there are answers and solutions…but what happens to Canadian and American grain exports if Africa can feed itself and still export grain?…Africans are like livestock to the west and until they get their shit together, killing each other is all there is to do…it’s what they know


  25. coldwarrior
    25 | November 29, 2012 4:40 pm

    Lily wrote:

    CW how is your wife doing? Mending well I hope!

    we are well….getting ready for a bonfire.


  26. heysoos
    26 | November 29, 2012 4:42 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Well we as a country should consider the Taliban enemies on the spot. You cannot negotiate with these barbarians at all!!
    /and guess what we had pretty much neutered them but when obama took office now 4 years later they are stronger than before. Unreal.

    defeating the Taliban is a monumental problem…in theory we could, but it’s so unrealisic that nobody will go for it…and when you liquidate the Talis, there is the next guy…I’m not a defeatist, I’m trying to be a realist


  27. Lily
    27 | November 29, 2012 4:45 pm

    And the obama voters I know who are (supposedly) religious think there is no war on Christianty….damn fools can’t even see the writing on the wall in front of them. So this “parent” must have a problem with the Pledge of Allegiance? The seperation of Church and State doesn’t mean you can’t mention God…it means the State cannot force a state religion upon you…stuff like this really gets me angry.

    North Carolina School Orders 6-Year-Old Girl To Remove Word “God” From Poem She Wrote For Veteran’s Day…

    A North Carolina community is embroiled in controversy after a school ordered a six-year-old girl to remove the word “God” from a poem that she was supposed to read during a Veteran’s Day ceremony.

    The girl is a first-grader at West Marion Elementary School. She was supposed to read a poem written to honor her two grandfathers who had served during the Vietnam War.

    “He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength,” the poem read.

    A parent reportedly found out about the poem and expressed concern about mentioning the word God during a school event. The parent did not want the Almighty’s name mentioned anywhere in the program, according to one account.

    We wanted to make sure we were upholding the school district’s responsibility of separation of church and state from the Establishment Clause,” Supt. Gerri Martin told the McDowell News.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/29/north-carolina-school-orders-6-year-old-girl-to-remove-word-god-from-poem-she-wrote-for-veterans-day/


  28. Lily
    28 | November 29, 2012 4:46 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Glad to hear that … I had to have a stress test today..which made me think of your wife. Very glad to hear she is well.


  29. Storagemanager
    29 | November 29, 2012 4:49 pm

    PUKE

    The White House says President Obama’s lunch with Republican Mitt Romney focused on America’s leadership and the two presidential rivals pledged to stay in touch, particularly if opportunities to work together come up in the future.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/29/obama-romney-to-meet-for-lunch-at-white-house/#ixzz2DePOmFI9


  30. Storagemanager
    30 | November 29, 2012 4:50 pm

    Bombshell Susan Rice’s Enrichment Program

    U.N. ambassador has investments in companies doing business with Iran, disclosure forms show……….The portfolio of embattled United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice includes investments of hundreds of thousands of dollars in several energy companies known for doing business with Iran, http://freebeacon.com/susan-rices-enrichment-program/


  31. Storagemanager
    31 | November 29, 2012 4:51 pm

    estimated between $24 to $44 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. A Free Beacon analysis of Rice’s portfolio shows thousands of dollars invested in at least three separate companies cited by lawmakers on Capitol Hill for doing business in Iran’s oil and gas sector.

    The revelation of these investments could pose a problem for Rice if she is tapped by President Barack Obama to replace Clinton. Among the responsibilities of the next secretary of state will be a showdown with Iran over its nuclear enrichment program.


  32. Lily
    32 | November 29, 2012 4:51 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Well we as a country should consider the Taliban enemies on the spot. You cannot negotiate with these barbarians at all!!
    /and guess what we had pretty much neutered them but when obama took office now 4 years later they are stronger than before. Unreal.

    defeating the Taliban is a monumental problem…in theory we could, but it’s so unrealisic that nobody will go for it…and when you liquidate the Talis, there is the next guy…I’m not a defeatist, I’m trying to be a realist

    We could easily defeat them…our military has learned a whole lot concerning fighting them. The problem is with the politicians in Washington and the horrible ROE’s. What is going on in Afganastan is a disgrace …. sure another one will pop up if you tie your military’s hands behind their backs. You let them do the job and the ones that might pop up will think twice. Right now the Taliban knows we are leaving…hence the set date by our president. So yeah they are re-gaining a lot of strength because that day we leave is coming soon.


  33. lobo91
    33 | November 29, 2012 4:51 pm

    @ Lily:

    “We wanted to make sure we were upholding the school district’s responsibility of separation of church and state from the Establishment Clause,” Supt. Gerri Martin told the McDowell News.

    Someone ask this “superintendent” to point out where this “sparation of church and state” appears in the Establishment Clause.

    My copy must be defective…
    //


  34. Lily
    34 | November 29, 2012 4:53 pm

    @ heysoos:

    There is more to it than that.


  35. Guggi
    35 | November 29, 2012 4:53 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Bombshell Susan Rice’s Enrichment Program
    U.N. ambassador has investments in companies doing business with Iran, disclosure forms show……….The portfolio of embattled United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice includes investments of hundreds of thousands of dollars in several energy companies known for doing business with Iran, http://freebeacon.com/susan-rices-enrichment-program/

    unbelievable.


  36. Lily
    36 | November 29, 2012 4:56 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    So again with the lunch invitation? It would have been petty of Romney not to attend.


  37. lobo91
    37 | November 29, 2012 4:56 pm

    @ Guggi:

    unbelievable.

    What, that she’s invested in companies illegally doing business with Iran, or that she didn’t think anyone would notice?


  38. Storagemanager
    38 | November 29, 2012 4:56 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    unbelievable.

    Makes one wonder what Obama is hiding.


  39. heysoos
    39 | November 29, 2012 4:57 pm

    @ Lily:
    these atheist militants are really pissing me off…they attack a fundamental social belief for their own selfish, nosey ego…it’s criminal to deny someones hope, their faith…why the hell can’t they mind their own business?…because they themselves are corruptable and have some bizarre inferiority complex…fuck them…live and let live


  40. Storagemanager
    40 | November 29, 2012 4:58 pm

    Lily wrote:

    the two presidential rivals pledged to stay in touch, particularly if opportunities to work together come up in the future.

    the two presidential rivals pledged to stay in touch, particularly if opportunities to work together come up in the future.


  41. Storagemanager
    41 | November 29, 2012 4:59 pm

    why does the GOP feel they need to work with Demorats?


  42. lobo91
    42 | November 29, 2012 4:59 pm

    And now there are idiots protesting out in front of a McDonalds in Times Square because they aren’t unionized.


  43. Storagemanager
    43 | November 29, 2012 5:00 pm

    GOP Rep. Gohmert: “Only Way To Explain” Obama’s “Horrendous” Decisions On Arab World Is He Has “A Bunch of Muslim Brotherhood Members Giving Them Advice”… http://weaselzippers.us/


  44. Lily
    44 | November 29, 2012 5:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    “We wanted to make sure we were upholding the school district’s responsibility of separation of church and state from the Establishment Clause,” Supt. Gerri Martin told the McDowell News.

    Someone ask this “superintendent” to point out where this “sparation of church and state” appears in the Establishment Clause.

    My copy must be defective…
    //

    Excatly ….I do believe it is FREEDOM OF RELIGION…not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION..
    This is about the fifth or so article I have seen concerning evening mentioning of God or anything to do with religiion. Here’s another one…good grief it’s at a memorial!!!!

    Judge rules atheist court case seeking removal of Jesus statue meant as World War II memorial near Montana ski resort can continue

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/29/judge-rules-atheist-court-case-seeking-removal-jesus-statue-meant-as-world-war/?test=latestnews#ixzz2DeSK8o5p


  45. lobo91
    45 | November 29, 2012 5:00 pm

    Speaking of Planet of the Apes, the UN General Assembly just voted to grant the Palestinians pretend statehood status.


  46. heysoos
    46 | November 29, 2012 5:01 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    There is more to it than that.

    yes, all of it man made, trumped up politics…with the amount of resources and manpower, nobody wants to see Africa self succeed


  47. lobo91
    47 | November 29, 2012 5:02 pm

    @ Lily:

    Pretty soon, someone is going to sue to have the crosses removed from Arlington…


  48. Lily
    48 | November 29, 2012 5:03 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Each and every day there is something so totally unbelievable. If someone was keeping count..good grief the package would be bigger than the obamacare bill!
    (and that is only since the election mind you.)


  49. Lily
    49 | November 29, 2012 5:05 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    unbelievable.

    Makes one wonder what Obama is hiding.

    I don’t wonder *if* obama is hiding anything…I know he is…I wonder all the *whats* he is hiding.


  50. Lily
    50 | November 29, 2012 5:07 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    these atheist militants are really pissing me off…they attack a fundamental social belief for their own selfish, nosey ego…it’s criminal to deny someones hope, their faith…why the hell can’t they mind their own business?…because they themselves are corruptable and have some bizarre inferiority complex…fuck them…live and let live

    I agree hey …this faux outrage is pissing me off too…how are they offended? They aren’t…I agree say live and let live. The little girls poem wasn’t shoving anything down anyone’s throat.


  51. lobo91
    51 | November 29, 2012 5:07 pm

    Beckel just said “Don’t you think the guy deserves a little time off?” about Obama’s 21 day Hawiian vacation plans.

    Why? He just took the last two years off in order to run for re-election.


  52. 52 | November 29, 2012 5:08 pm

    Prosecuting war crimes? That’s so 20th century. Come on, get with it, Barry is GOD.


  53. Lily
    53 | November 29, 2012 5:08 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    the two presidential rivals pledged to stay in touch, particularly if opportunities to work together come up in the future.

    the two presidential rivals pledged to stay in touch, particularly if opportunities to work together come up in the future.

    You really believe that? Really? What do expect the WH to say…obama was gloating at Romney saying he won and Romney didn’t??? This is outrage over nothing.


  54. Storagemanager
    54 | November 29, 2012 5:08 pm

    Zechariah 12:A prophecy: The word of the Lord concerning Israel.

    The Lord, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares: 2 “I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.


  55. heysoos
    55 | November 29, 2012 5:11 pm

    @ Storagemanager:
    I’m missing your point


  56. Lily
    56 | November 29, 2012 5:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Speaking of Planet of the Apes, the UN General Assembly just voted to grant the Palestinians pretend statehood status.

    The world as we know it has gone insane. But then again if they are a state and start firing off missiles then oh well. Be careful what you wish for.


  57. Lily
    57 | November 29, 2012 5:13 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    There is more to it than that.

    yes, all of it man made, trumped up politics…with the amount of resources and manpower, nobody wants to see Africa self succeed

    I agree you can look towards the Arabs too concerning what is going on in Africa.


  58. Storagemanager
    58 | November 29, 2012 5:13 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    I’m missing your point

    for what post?


  59. Da_Beerfreak
    59 | November 29, 2012 5:14 pm

    Lily wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I am really tired of the US always siding against Christians.

    you would think that with all of these christan right wingers there would have been a change since bill clinton…guess not.

    looks like they really dont give a shit

    For some reason the media and our government only looked at one side of that war and pushed the narrative that the Serbs were committing genocide….well from what I have read about that conflict it was very much a two-way street and no one dared to mention that the other side was very brutal at all. So since then the Serbs have been smeared yet the other side gets a pass. I saw pictures and video’s of excatly what the other side was doing and they were doing horrible stuff..especially in Christian Churches.

    If the Lame Stream Media (LSM) doesn’t report it, it didn’t happen. Just ask any Mushroom, they always know what the truth is thanks to the LSM.

    (How’d your test go?? Did you pass?? Or do you need more stress??)


  60. Lily
    60 | November 29, 2012 5:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Pretty soon, someone is going to sue to have the crosses removed from Arlington…

    The way things are going … I will not doubt that. It’s horrible. Good grief…one person is offended…so we have to do away with our culture to make them un-offended. It’s a disgrace for sure.


  61. heysoos
    61 | November 29, 2012 5:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    There is more to it than that.
    yes, all of it man made, trumped up politics…with the amount of resources and manpower, nobody wants to see Africa self succeed

    I agree you can look towards the Arabs too concerning what is going on in Africa.

    as soon as Nigeria started making money off their oil, the Islamists pounced…they either want to reap the profits themselves or shut down production…my prediction is that they will trash the Niger delta…one of the most pristine and delicate regions on Earth


  62. lobo91
    62 | November 29, 2012 5:16 pm

    @ Lily:

    The world as we know it has gone insane. But then again if they are a state and start firing off missiles then oh well. Be careful what you wish for.

    It’s not actual statehood, just “non-state observer” status, much like the Vatican has.

    Even if they declared them to be an actual state, it wouldn’t matter. They can’t be held accountable for their actions, because they’re special.

    As in “rides the short bus.”


  63. citizen_q
    63 | November 29, 2012 5:16 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    GOP Rep. Gohmert: “Only Way To Explain” Obama’s “Horrendous” Decisions On Arab World Is He Has “A Bunch of Muslim Brotherhood Members Giving Them Advice”… http://weaselzippers.us/

    Cough..,.huma….cough


  64. 64 | November 29, 2012 5:17 pm

    @ Lily:

    Same thing happened in Lebanon. All you heard was about how evil the Phalangists (Kateb) were and how noble the Syrians, PLO, Hizballah and Amal was. We see how that turned out.


  65. Lily
    65 | November 29, 2012 5:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Beckel just said “Don’t you think the guy deserves a little time off?” about Obama’s 21 day Hawiian vacation plans.

    Why? He just took the last two years off in order to run for re-election.

    Well did Beckel the Jeckel forget *we* the tax-payers are paying for this little vacation not to mention the day he is leaving. That day is important..oh well doesn’t matter to the one.


  66. 66 | November 29, 2012 5:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It’s a meaningless declaration.


  67. Lily
    67 | November 29, 2012 5:19 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Who in the hell would want to buy that??? I see his fact way too much as it is. Personally I would like to forget about him.


  68. lobo91
    68 | November 29, 2012 5:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    It’s a meaningless declaration.

    What else would you expect from the UN?


  69. Storagemanager
    69 | November 29, 2012 5:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    It’s a meaningless declaration.

    not really…it was a step toward full fledged statehood.


  70. 70 | November 29, 2012 5:20 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It’s racist to bring it up!
    //////


  71. Storagemanager
    71 | November 29, 2012 5:20 pm

    Muslims do things one step at a time.


  72. heysoos
    72 | November 29, 2012 5:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Same thing happened in Lebanon. All you heard was about how evil the Phalangists (Kateb) were and how noble the Syrians, PLO, Hizballah and Amal was. We see how that turned out.

    yeah, the Muslims destroyed Beirut…smart..so smart, in fact, they will now destroy Appello, and maybe even Damascus…you GO! you crazy fuckers….wreck everything, destroy your culture


  73. 73 | November 29, 2012 5:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It’s a waste of our money.


  74. 74 | November 29, 2012 5:21 pm

    @ heysoos:

    They want to destroy the Sphinx and Pyramid.


  75. 75 | November 29, 2012 5:22 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    If Palestine is a state, then Israel can declare war. The Palis better be careful what they wish for.


  76. heysoos
    76 | November 29, 2012 5:22 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    It’s a meaningless declaration.

    not really…it was a step toward full fledged statehood.

    who cares?…what does statehood mean to the Palis?…they can’t even spell the word…it’s a pig with lipstick


  77. Lily
    77 | November 29, 2012 5:22 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    I’m missing your point

    It pretains to prophecy of the end of days when Israel will have nothing but enemies and the time is nigh when that happens.
    (Basically that is what it means and it also means Israel will not fall)


  78. Storagemanager
    78 | November 29, 2012 5:23 pm

    I was almost banned from LGF for saying this…but..Islam is a cancer it destroys everything it touches.


  79. 79 | November 29, 2012 5:23 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    why does the GOP feel they need to work with Demorats?

    That is the Million dollar question!


  80. lobo91
    80 | November 29, 2012 5:23 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    It’s a meaningless declaration.

    not really…it was a step toward full fledged statehood.

    Which is yet another meaningless declaration.

    You can’t make a country out of a collection of refugee camps.


  81. heysoos
    81 | November 29, 2012 5:23 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ Lily:
    okay, got it


  82. 82 | November 29, 2012 5:24 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    I was almost banned from LGF for saying this…but..Islam is a cancer it destroys everything it touches.

    Here you get applause for saying that!

    :-)


  83. Storagemanager
    83 | November 29, 2012 5:24 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    I’m missing your point

    It pretains to prophecy of the end of days when Israel will have nothing but enemies and the time is nigh when that happens.
    (Basically that is what it means and it also means Israel will not fall)

    it seems close

    He said that the Palestinians will not accept anything less than an independent state with east Jerusalem as its capital on all territories occupied in 1967 and a solution to the refugee issue. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4313633,00.html


  84. lobo91
    84 | November 29, 2012 5:25 pm

    @ heysoos:

    who cares?…what does statehood mean to the Palis?…they can’t even spell the word…it’s a pig with lipstick

    They don’t even plan to grant citizenship to the majority of the people living there.


  85. Lily
    85 | November 29, 2012 5:26 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    (How’d your test go?? Did you pass?? Or do you need more stress??)

    LOL!!! Don’t know if I passed. At least I didn’t have a heart-attack having it. Plus yuck….it was a chemical stress test. So far I am waiting on the results of it…say some prayers for and/or cross your fingers my heart is okay.


  86. lobo91
    86 | November 29, 2012 5:26 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    He said that the Palestinians will not accept anything less than an independent state with east Jerusalem as its capital on all territories occupied in 1967 and a solution to the refugee issue.

    Since that’s never going to happen, it seems pretty pointless.


  87. Lily
    87 | November 29, 2012 5:28 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    There is more to it than that.
    yes, all of it man made, trumped up politics…with the amount of resources and manpower, nobody wants to see Africa self succeed

    I agree you can look towards the Arabs too concerning what is going on in Africa.

    as soon as Nigeria started making money off their oil, the Islamists pounced…they either want to reap the profits themselves or shut down production…my prediction is that they will trash the Niger delta…one of the most pristine and delicate regions on Earth

    They seem to trash everything they touch…plus they are also getting China to do the work…heaven forbide they actually do the work themselves…killing and pillaring is what they do best.


  88. heysoos
    88 | November 29, 2012 5:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    He said that the Palestinians will not accept anything less than an independent state with east Jerusalem as its capital on all territories occupied in 1967 and a solution to the refugee issue.
    Since that’s never going to happen, it seems pretty pointless.

    the Palis are just feeling their oats because of the massive victory over the IDF


  89. Lily
    89 | November 29, 2012 5:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    The world as we know it has gone insane. But then again if they are a state and start firing off missiles then oh well. Be careful what you wish for.

    It’s not actual statehood, just “non-state observer” status, much like the Vatican has.

    Even if they declared them to be an actual state, it wouldn’t matter. They can’t be held accountable for their actions, because they’re special.

    As in “rides the short bus.”

    Nothing good will come of this. You give them an inch and then they want a not just a mile but a hundred miles.


  90. 90 | November 29, 2012 5:31 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It’s just symbolism. The Palis feel better about themselves, the world feels better and nothing changes. Now they can hand out lolipops!


  91. lobo91
    91 | November 29, 2012 5:32 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The vote was interesting: 138-9, with 41 abstentions.

    41 countries are too chicken to go on record.


  92. Lily
    92 | November 29, 2012 5:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Same thing happened in Lebanon. All you heard was about how evil the Phalangists (Kateb) were and how noble the Syrians, PLO, Hizballah and Amal was. We see how that turned out.

    I remember that and that is what took me to the internet…what the media was reporting was biased and flat-out lies …so I went to the internet to start looking for the truth. During that time I knew a whole lot more about Islam than I did before 9/11. The media is reporting that Israel are the bad guys???????????? I went WTH?????


  93. heysoos
    93 | November 29, 2012 5:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    It’s just symbolism. The Palis feel better about themselves, the world feels better and nothing changes. Now they can hand out lolipops!

    Palipops for everyone!…the fact that Gaza even has a spokesman is a sure indication of Israeli restraint


  94. heysoos
    94 | November 29, 2012 5:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    The vote was interesting: 138-9, with 41 abstentions.
    41 countries are too chicken to go on record.

    41 guys who dig the NYC lifestyle….even the people that work there could give a shit…just keep that paycheck rolling in


  95. 95 | November 29, 2012 5:35 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yeah, This is nothing to get worked up about.


  96. Storagemanager
    96 | November 29, 2012 5:37 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    It’s just symbolism.

    hollywood made America accept gays with shows like will and grace..it took 20 years but they changed the culture…one could say that was symbolism also.


  97. 97 | November 29, 2012 5:37 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Hey how about you start the Republic of Leia and go for a UN Vote?

    :lol:


  98. 98 | November 29, 2012 5:39 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    I was almost banned from LGF for saying this…but..Islam is a cancer it destroys everything it touches.

    It is a pyroclastic flow that sucks very oxygen out of everything in its path.


  99. heysoos
    99 | November 29, 2012 5:39 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    It’s just symbolism.
    hollywood made America accept gays with shows like will and grace..it took 20 years but they changed the culture…one could say that was symbolism also.

    I could care less about gay behavior…not on my radar, not my business


  100. Lily
    100 | November 29, 2012 5:41 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    The stars do seem to be aligning. But then again I wonder how people thought during WWII. Only the Father knows when that time will come and yes there have been signs pointing we are approaching that direction. But we have been approaching that direction ever since Christ died on the Cross. God’s time and our time are on a whole different scale.


  101. Storagemanager
    101 | November 29, 2012 5:41 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    It’s just symbolism.
    hollywood made America accept gays with shows like will and grace..it took 20 years but they changed the culture…one could say that was symbolism also.

    I could care less about gay behavior…not on my radar, not my business

    I am talking about how they change the culture…Muslims have been doing it since 9-11.


  102. 102 | November 29, 2012 5:42 pm

    So the Palis got their own country? I guess that means that peace will break out all over the world and we’ll never, ever have to worry or even think about them ever again, right?


  103. heysoos
  104. Storagemanager
    104 | November 29, 2012 5:44 pm

    Don’t think Muslims have changed the culture?….they attacked us on 9-11 and killed thousands…they just killed 4 Americas in Libya…and yet they are spoken about on tv everyday…as if they are heroes to be cheered.


  105. Lily
    105 | November 29, 2012 5:45 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:

    I was almost banned from LGF for saying this…but..Islam is a cancer it destroys everything it touches.

    It is a pyroclastic flow that sucks very oxygen out of everything in its path.

    Good heavens sounds a lot like the guy (that got re-elected) in the White House too. ;)


  106. lobo91
    106 | November 29, 2012 5:45 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    It’s just symbolism.

    hollywood made America accept gays with shows like will and grace..it took 20 years but they changed the culture…one could say that was symbolism also.

    They did that primarily through massive infiltration of the entertainment industry.

    Gays are over-represented in Hollywood by about 1000% compared to their numbers in the general population.


  107. Storagemanager
    107 | November 29, 2012 5:46 pm

    We are called bigots if we ask mohammad to put down the knife.


  108. Lily
    108 | November 29, 2012 5:46 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    It’s just symbolism.
    hollywood made America accept gays with shows like will and grace..it took 20 years but they changed the culture…one could say that was symbolism also.

    I could care less about gay behavior…not on my radar, not my business

    And most certainly not be any laws for it or teaching grade-school kids about it either. Just saying.


  109. lobo91
    109 | November 29, 2012 5:46 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    We are called bigots if we ask mohammad to put down the knife.

    Beheading people is just part of their “culture.”
    //


  110. 110 | November 29, 2012 5:47 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    yet they are spoken about on tv everyday…as if they are heroes to be cheered.

    It started before 9-11. In the Lebanese Civil War and the Balkans, the Muzz were painted as the good guys.


  111. Storagemanager
    111 | November 29, 2012 5:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    It’s just symbolism.
    hollywood made America accept gays with shows like will and grace..it took 20 years but they changed the culture…one could say that was symbolism also.

    They did that primarily through massive infiltration of the entertainment industry.
    Gays are over-represented in Hollywood by about 1000% compared to their numbers in the general population.

    so are muslims..lol


  112. Lily
    112 | November 29, 2012 5:48 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    So the Palis got their own country? I guess that means that peace will break out all over the world and we’ll never, ever have to worry or even think about them ever again, right?

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


  113. Mars
    113 | November 29, 2012 5:49 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    “We wanted to make sure we were upholding the school district’s responsibility of separation of church and state from the Establishment Clause,” Supt. Gerri Martin told the McDowell News.
    Someone ask this “superintendent” to point out where this “sparation of church and state” appears in the Establishment Clause.
    My copy must be defective…
    //

    Excatly ….I do believe it is FREEDOM OF RELIGION…not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION..
    This is about the fifth or so article I have seen concerning evening mentioning of God or anything to do with religiion. Here’s another one…good grief it’s at a memorial!!!!
    Judge rules atheist court case seeking removal of Jesus statue meant as World War II memorial near Montana ski resort can continue
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/29/judge-rules-atheist-court-case-seeking-removal-jesus-statue-meant-as-world-war/?test=latestnews#ixzz2DeSK8o5p

    Note the pic has the college kids mocking the statue by putting ski gear on it.

    The statue was put up by a the Knights of Columbus group to honor the vets. They’re behavior is similar to the disrespect shown at the tomb of the unknown soldier.

    I also think there needs to be research into just how much these atheist groups bribe local assholes to file these suits.

    I think the solution here is to yank the land from the forest service. Federal government has no business owning this land anyway. Turn it over to the state.


  114. Guggi
    114 | November 29, 2012 5:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    unbelievable.
    What, that she’s invested in companies illegally doing business with Iran, or that she didn’t think anyone would notice?

    as well as :-(


  115. Storagemanager
    115 | November 29, 2012 5:51 pm

    Biden the GOP gona put yall in chains

    ABDUL FOR SALE: SAUDI ON FACEBOOK SELLING CASTRATED BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM SLAVE…….. http://tundratabloids.com/2012/11/abdul-for-sale-saudi-on-facebook-selling-castrated-black-african-muslim-slave.html


  116. Lily
    116 | November 29, 2012 5:52 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Don’t think Muslims have changed the culture?….they attacked us on 9-11 and killed thousands…they just killed 4 Americas in Libya…and yet they are spoken about on tv everyday…as if they are heroes to be cheered.

    Look even after 9/11 and mean right after 9/11 you had people here in our country saying *we deserved it*…*our own country did it* ….and all that other hog-wash. I agree our country went nuts after 9/11 and now it is on steroids. Unfortunately we have gone way out of our way to say it is only a handful of extremists …when it’s not. Sooner or later we might actually start believing them when they say it is a *religious war* against us and we say it isn’t.


  117. lobo91
    117 | November 29, 2012 5:53 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Biden the GOP gona put yall in chains

    ABDUL FOR SALE: SAUDI ON FACEBOOK SELLING CASTRATED BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM SLAVE…….. http://tundratabloids.com/2012/11/abdul-for-sale-saudi-on-facebook-selling-castrated-black-african-muslim-slave.html

    But don’t try to sell an Obama statue in a fake jar of urine on eBay…


  118. heysoos
    118 | November 29, 2012 5:54 pm

    “I think the solution here is to yank the land from the forest service. Federal government has no business owning this land anyway. Turn it over to the state.”

    there maybe resources there!…the feds need to control all the resources!….a damned good point, worthy of it’s own thread


  119. Storagemanager
    119 | November 29, 2012 5:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Sooner or later we might actually start believing them when they say it is a *religious war* against us and we say it isn’t.

    Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”


  120. lobo91
    120 | November 29, 2012 5:56 pm

    @ Lily:

    Sooner or later we might actually start believing them when they say it is a *religious war* against us and we say it isn’t.

    I’m fairly certain that 80% of Americans today don’t believe that the conflict between the Israelis and the entire rest of the Middle East is religious in nature.

    They believe it’s about real estate.


  121. Lily
    121 | November 29, 2012 5:56 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    “We wanted to make sure we were upholding the school district’s responsibility of separation of church and state from the Establishment Clause,” Supt. Gerri Martin told the McDowell News.
    Someone ask this “superintendent” to point out where this “sparation of church and state” appears in the Establishment Clause.
    My copy must be defective…
    //

    Excatly ….I do believe it is FREEDOM OF RELIGION…not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION..
    This is about the fifth or so article I have seen concerning evening mentioning of God or anything to do with religiion. Here’s another one…good grief it’s at a memorial!!!!
    Judge rules atheist court case seeking removal of Jesus statue meant as World War II memorial near Montana ski resort can continue
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/29/judge-rules-atheist-court-case-seeking-removal-jesus-statue-meant-as-world-war/?test=latestnews#ixzz2DeSK8o5p

    Note the pic has the college kids mocking the statue by putting ski gear on it.

    The statue was put up by a the Knights of Columbus group to honor the vets. They’re behavior is similar to the disrespect shown at the tomb of the unknown soldier.

    I also think there needs to be research into just how much these atheist groups bribe local assholes to file these suits.

    I think the solution here is to yank the land from the forest service. Federal government has no business owning this land anyway. Turn it over to the state.

    What has our country come too???? Really. What has it done! When at memorials you can’t have a religious symbol ..it is down right nuts.
    A wicked wind this way comes…..


  122. Mars
    122 | November 29, 2012 5:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    “I think the solution here is to yank the land from the forest service. Federal government has no business owning this land anyway. Turn it over to the state.”
    there maybe resources there!…the feds need to control all the resources!….a damned good point, worthy of it’s own thread

    One thing that has gone unnoticed in the last 30 years. The Forest Service is being armed up. They already had sidearms which was fine for their “law enforcement” duties. But at the tail end of my fathers work with the federal government he noticed something, and it’s gotten worse. They were being assigned semi-auto military grade weaponry. He later got a report about 95 from people he still knew inside that they had begun upgrading to fully auto weaponry.
    Now, word I’ve heard since his death, they are being issued drones.

    Why do park rangers need military grade equipment?


  123. Lily
    123 | November 29, 2012 6:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Sooner or later we might actually start believing them when they say it is a *religious war* against us and we say it isn’t.

    I’m fairly certain that 80% of Americans today don’t believe that the conflict between the Israelis and the entire rest of the Middle East is religious in nature.

    They believe it’s about real estate.

    I’m very sure you are right…this isn’t about land. Israel is very tiny…this is a religious war! Always has been and always will be.
    Islam the opposite of anything good.


  124. buzzsawmonkey
    124 | November 29, 2012 6:01 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    hollywood made America accept gays with shows like will and grace..it took 20 years but they changed the culture…one could say that was symbolism also.

    Storage, here’s how it worked:

    1) Communists start “homophile rights” organizations in the US following WWII, modeled on the homosexual-rights organizations begun by communists in Germany following WWI.

    2) Radical-left SDSers and Maoists start “gay liberation” after the Stonewall riot, hold parades, get some political power in NYC and San Francisco, and win a few small court cases against overt discrimination.

    3) Disco music and the “disco life style” popularizes gays and gay-male-bar-queen sexual behavior in the society at large during the 1970s. Promiscuity rises.

    4) The gay movement gets national recognition by raising a stink over inclusion in the Dade County anti-discrimination law. Gays lose inclusion in the law, but the movement gains national recognition and shows it can ruin an opponent’s career.

    5) Popularity or in-group-ness of “gay” continues when a few celebrities “come out” and with acts like the Village People. The movement starts talking up “the Pink Triangle,” i.e., homosexuals who died in the Nazi camps, to latch onto the Holocaust as the movement also tries to piggyback on the vestiges of the Civil Rights Movement.

    6) AIDS hits. Gays start dying of mysterious illnesses, for which there seems no cure.

    7) The movement does not let this crisis go to waste. It fights against closing major sources of infection such as backroom bars and bathhouses, raising the spectre of gays being “rounded up and put in camps.” In effect, the movement decides, under the guise of concern, to sacrifice thousands who will probably die anyway, so that

    8) The society at large can be terrified by the (virtually nonexistent) threat that AIDS will break out in the larger population. Demonstrations are held to make a new, radicalized population out of young homosexuals; AIDS becomes the new fad cause, with red ribbons everywhere.

    9) AIDS becomes manageable with “cocktail drugs.” The push for domestic partnership, and later, for same-sex marriage, begins.


  125. Lily
    125 | November 29, 2012 6:01 pm

    Mars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    “I think the solution here is to yank the land from the forest service. Federal government has no business owning this land anyway. Turn it over to the state.”
    there maybe resources there!…the feds need to control all the resources!….a damned good point, worthy of it’s own thread

    One thing that has gone unnoticed in the last 30 years. The Forest Service is being armed up. They already had sidearms which was fine for their “law enforcement” duties. But at the tail end of my fathers work with the federal government he noticed something, and it’s gotten worse. They were being assigned semi-auto military grade weaponry. He later got a report about 95 from people he still knew inside that they had begun upgrading to fully auto weaponry.
    Now, word I’ve heard since his death, they are being issued drones.

    Why do park rangers need military grade equipment?

    Good question… do you have any idea why they are doing this?


  126. lobo91
    126 | November 29, 2012 6:02 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Here’s a scary map: Percentage of land in each state under federal control.


  127. Storagemanager
    127 | November 29, 2012 6:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m fairly certain that 80% of Americans today don’t believe that the conflict between the Israelis and the entire rest of the Middle East is religious in nature.

    They only need to crack a Bible…Abraham had two sons..one from the handmaid Hagar named Ishmael ( Islam ) and one from his wife Sarah named Isaac ( Israel ) it is the oldest feud in history.


  128. heysoos
    128 | November 29, 2012 6:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Here’s a scary map: Percentage of land in each state under federal control.

    thanks for that…I’m hip to the feds role in the west…it’s a good story, not usually satisfying and downright scandalous at times…and what goes round comes round…after 300 years of history it will come back to the original question…who owns the water?


  129. Lily
    129 | November 29, 2012 6:06 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Wow! Most of the western states are under federal government control. Yikes.


  130. lobo91
    130 | November 29, 2012 6:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Wow! Most of the western states are under federal government control. Yikes.

    And it’s mostly the areas where the resources are.


  131. heysoos
    131 | November 29, 2012 6:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Wow! Most of the western states are under federal government control. Yikes.

    New Mexico has about 2m people…it is the %th largest state by area, huge….you can’t drive 20 miles in any direction without being on federal, state, or Native land


  132. Lily
    132 | November 29, 2012 6:08 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m fairly certain that 80% of Americans today don’t believe that the conflict between the Israelis and the entire rest of the Middle East is religious in nature.

    They only need to crack a Bible…Abraham had two sons..one from the handmaid Hagar named Ishmael ( Islam ) and one from his wife Sarah named Isaac ( Israel ) it is the oldest feud in history.

    That doesn’t explain Islam…really it doesn’t. If we are going religious here I would venture that to counter-act Christianity and the Jewish religion..the devil created his own religiion through old Mo..that wasn’t an angel of God he was talking to.


  133. Lily
    133 | November 29, 2012 6:09 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Other states do.


  134. Mars
    134 | November 29, 2012 6:09 pm

    @ Lily:
    I do have a theory but it kind of dips into tinfoil hat territory.

    Anyone recall the wons “civilian force” equal to the military? Well turns out a whole crapload of government agencies have been “gifted” large amounts of weapons and ammo over the last few years. This to me shows this wasn’t an O idea. This is something that started a long time ago with the libs. O just slipped and let the cat out of the bag. Fortunately the press ran interference for him and it was no harm no foul.


  135. Storagemanager
    135 | November 29, 2012 6:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    now go to the U.N. site and look up agenda 21….


  136. Storagemanager
    136 | November 29, 2012 6:12 pm

    Lily wrote:

    that wasn’t an angel of God he was talking to.

    I didn’t go that deep..most people turn off….I just try two show the links…


  137. Lily
    137 | November 29, 2012 6:12 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I do have a theory but it kind of dips into tinfoil hat territory.

    Anyone recall the wons “civilian force” equal to the military? Well turns out a whole crapload of government agencies have been “gifted” large amounts of weapons and ammo over the last few years. This to me shows this wasn’t an O idea. This is something that started a long time ago with the libs. O just slipped and let the cat out of the bag. Fortunately the press ran interference for him and it was no harm no foul.

    Well there was a lot of bullets being bought from the federal government that wasn’t going to the military. So you aren’t that far out as you may think.


  138. Storagemanager
    138 | November 29, 2012 6:12 pm

    @ Storagemanager:
    Too


  139. Lily
    139 | November 29, 2012 6:15 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    that wasn’t an angel of God he was talking to.

    I didn’t go that deep..most people turn off….I just try two show the links…

    I just don’t think it comes from Abraham’s second son there is no blood line to show this is so. This is just a grasphing theory in my opinion.


  140. lobo91
    140 | November 29, 2012 6:17 pm

    @ Lily:

    Well there was a lot of bullets being bought from the federal government that wasn’t going to the military. So you aren’t that far out as you may think.

    There really wasn’t anything that odd about most of those ammo purchases. Most of the people who freaked out about them have no idea how much is used in training each year.


  141. Lily
    141 | November 29, 2012 6:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Well there was a lot of bullets being bought from the federal government that wasn’t going to the military. So you aren’t that far out as you may think.

    There really wasn’t anything that odd about most of those ammo purchases. Most of the people who freaked out about them have no idea how much is used in training each year.

    So that was much ado about nothing then? Makes sense.


  142. Guggi
    142 | November 29, 2012 6:19 pm

    General Assembly Grants Palestine Upgraded Status in U.N.

    More than 130 countries voted on Thursday to grant Palestine the upgraded status of nonmember observer state in the United Nations, a stinging defeat for Israel and the United States and a boost for President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority, who was weakened by the recent eight days of fighting in Gaza.

    The new ranking could make it easier for the Palestinians to pursue Israel in international legal forums, but it remained unclear what effect it would have on attaining what both sides say they want — a two-state solution.

    Still, the vote offered a showcase for an extraordinary international lineup of support for the Palestinians and constituted a deeply symbolic achievement for their cause, made even weightier by arriving on the 65th anniversary of the General Assembly vote that divided the former British Mandate of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and the other Arab — a vote that Israel considers the international seal of approval for its birth.


  143. Storagemanager
    143 | November 29, 2012 6:19 pm

    Agenda 21 is real…it is on a un site.Lily wrote:

    I just don’t think it comes from Abraham’s second son there is no blood line to show this is so. This is just a grasphing theory in my opinion.

    Mohammad claimed he was related to Abraham thru his son Kedar


  144. lobo91
    144 | November 29, 2012 6:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    So that was much ado about nothing then? Makes sense.

    When you do the math, most of those purchases came out to 4 or 5 years’ worth of ammo. Like any other product, the larger the quantity you buy, the less it costs per unit.


  145. Storagemanager
    145 | November 29, 2012 6:21 pm

    @ Storagemanager:
    messed up this post..sorry


  146. lobo91
    146 | November 29, 2012 6:22 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    Mohammad claimed he was related to Abraham thru his son Kedar

    Mohammed claimed a lot of things, the majority of which were bullshit.

    Thus beginning a great Muslim tradition that continues today…


  147. heysoos
    147 | November 29, 2012 6:22 pm

    the UN…
    so you go to a casino and sit down at a poker table, five card draw…you have 4 opponents sitting across from you that have conspired to beat you…everyone has the same amt of money…you cannot win…when you lose the others divide that loss between themselves…after awhile, even if you win here and there, it’s 4 to 1 and they spread out the winnings…you cannot win, no matter if the stakes are raised it’s still 4 to 1…the US cannot win at the UN Casino…it’s just mathematically impossible…if it takes all night, all week or a month you will lose…if you play for a year you will lose 365 times what you lost the first night…it’s simply inevitable


  148. lobo91
    148 | November 29, 2012 6:24 pm

    @ Lily:

    That’s not to say that there aren’t issues related to the proliferation of armed federal employees.

    I really don’t think the Department of Education needs a SWAT team, but it has one…


  149. Lily
    149 | November 29, 2012 6:25 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Agenda 21 is real…it is on a un site.Lily wrote:

    I just don’t think it comes from Abraham’s second son there is no blood line to show this is so. This is just a grasphing theory in my opinion.

    Mohammad claimed he was related to Abraham thru his son Kedar

    And you believe what Mohammad said??? Look he twisted parts of the Torah and the Christian belief to make him seem *credible*. I think it’s hogwash he came from Abraham’s second son. So he *claimed* he was of that blood-line to make a case for his new religion. Doesn’t cut the test IMO.


  150. lobo91
    150 | November 29, 2012 6:25 pm

    @ heysoos:

    And we set it up.


  151. Mars
    151 | November 29, 2012 6:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    That’s not to say that there aren’t issues related to the proliferation of armed federal employees.
    I really don’t think the Department of Education needs a SWAT team, but it has one…

    Nor does park service and forest service need military grade weaponry.


  152. Storagemanager
    152 | November 29, 2012 6:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Mohammad claimed he was related to Abraham thru his son Kedar
    Mohammed claimed a lot of things, the majority of which were bullshit.
    Thus beginning a great Muslim tradition that continues today…

    That is still the basis of the religion…that is a fact…it is in the muslim text…our believing it does not matter.


  153. lobo91
    153 | November 29, 2012 6:27 pm

    @ Lily:

    Next you’re going to say that he didn’t ride a flying horse to heaven one night…
    //


  154. lobo91
    154 | November 29, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ Mars:

    Nor does park service and forest service need military grade weaponry.

    Actually, some of them might, given where they’re located and what they come up against.


  155. heysoos
    155 | November 29, 2012 6:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Nor does park service and forest service need military grade weaponry.
    Actually, some of them might, given where they’re located and what they come up against.

    pot growers have their own SWAT teams


  156. lobo91
    156 | November 29, 2012 6:30 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    That is still the basis of the religion…that is a fact…it is in the muslim text…our believing it does not matter.

    The entire thing is bullshit, but that’s another matter.


  157. Lily
    157 | November 29, 2012 6:30 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Why does DOE need a swat team??? Why can’t the police handle it?
    Or are they afraid the people will rise up against all these agencies????


  158. lobo91
    158 | November 29, 2012 6:31 pm

    @ heysoos:

    And there’s a good bit of Park Service land close to the border.


  159. Storagemanager
    159 | November 29, 2012 6:32 pm

    Agenda 21…1.

    Preamble
    2.

    International cooperation to accelerate sustainable development in developing countries and related domestic policies

    2.1 -- 2.43

    3.

    Combating poverty

    3.1 -- 3.12

    4.

    Changing consumption patterns

    4.1 -- 4.27

    5.

    Demographic dynamics and sustainability

    5.1 -- 5.66

    6

    Protecting and promoting human health conditions

    6.1 -- 6.46

    7.

    Promoting sustainable human settlement development

    7.1 -- 7.80

    8.

    Integrating environment and development in decision-making
    http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml


  160. Mars
    160 | November 29, 2012 6:32 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Nor does park service and forest service need military grade weaponry.
    Actually, some of them might, given where they’re located and what they come up against.

    pot growers have their own SWAT teams

    That is true.

    However, the whole thing is incrementalism. Bit by bit they are increasing the forces inside government that are armed, they are also increasing what they are armed with. They don’t tell anyone, but, if they are found out they always have a rational excuse.


  161. song_and_dance_man
    161 | November 29, 2012 6:32 pm

    And here I thought our criminal justice system was slow.


  162. heysoos
    162 | November 29, 2012 6:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    That is still the basis of the religion…that is a fact…it is in the muslim text…our believing it does not matter.
    The entire thing is bullshit, but that’s another matter.

    I don’t give a shit about Mo, his Koran or Islam in general…I care about a 7.62 NATO coming at me…I don’t recognize Islam as a religion in terms of the deference paid…fuck them


  163. Storagemanager
    163 | November 29, 2012 6:33 pm

    check this one

    Promoting sustainable human settlement development

    7.1 — 7.80 http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml


  164. song_and_dance_man
    164 | November 29, 2012 6:33 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Why does DOE need a swat team??? Why can’t the [local] police handle it?

    different jurisdictions


  165. heysoos
    165 | November 29, 2012 6:34 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Why does DOE need a swat team??? Why can’t the police handle it?
    Or are they afraid the people will rise up against all these agencies????

    it rounds out their budgets…gotta spend it somewhere


  166. Lily
    166 | November 29, 2012 6:35 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Mohammad claimed he was related to Abraham thru his son Kedar
    Mohammed claimed a lot of things, the majority of which were bullshit.
    Thus beginning a great Muslim tradition that continues today…

    That is still the basis of the religion…that is a fact…it is in the muslim text…our believing it does not matter.

    I don’t believe anything is good in the Quran at all. It’s full of lies…and just because it says so in the Quran doesn’t make it true. It’s only in there so it can get some cred among the two main religions…the Jewish religion and Christianity….it’s only there so it can tie itself to them. If you notice in the Bible name after name is mentioned to prove Christ came from this blood-line. But in the Quran it’s just thrown in with no back-up. I say hog-wash.


  167. Mars
    167 | November 29, 2012 6:35 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Agenda 21…1.
    Preamble
    2.
    International cooperation to accelerate sustainable development in developing countries and related domestic policies
    2.1 — 2.43
    3.
    Combating poverty
    3.1 — 3.12
    4.
    Changing consumption patterns
    4.1 — 4.27
    5.
    Demographic dynamics and sustainability
    5.1 — 5.66
    6
    Protecting and promoting human health conditions
    6.1 — 6.46
    7.
    Promoting sustainable human settlement development
    7.1 — 7.80
    8.
    Integrating environment and development in decision-making
    http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

    Go to your local college. Even here in MT there is always at least one class or conference on “sustainability”. I saw this back in 2002. And it’s still happening.


  168. Lily
    168 | November 29, 2012 6:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Next you’re going to say that he didn’t ride a flying horse to heaven one night…
    //

    How did you know that??? ;)


  169. Storagemanager
    169 | November 29, 2012 6:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Wow! Most of the western states are under federal government control. Yikes.

    And it’s mostly the areas where the resources are.

    10.

    Integrated approach to the planning and management of land resources http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml


  170. lobo91
    170 | November 29, 2012 6:36 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Why does DOE need a swat team??? Why can’t the [local] police handle it?

    different jurisdictions

    The Department of Education doesn’t have jurisdiction over anything that would require a SWAT team. It writes checks.


  171. heysoos
    171 | November 29, 2012 6:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    And there’s a good bit of Park Service land close to the border.

    the Old Mexico border is about 300m south of me…I go down there a couple of times a year…infiltration, locally is a huge problem…the Sebelius says were cool….you just have to wonder what planet these cats are from, and why they are so deceitful


  172. Storagemanager
    172 | November 29, 2012 6:37 pm

    @ Lily:
    We are on the same page…don’t why you think we are not.


  173. Lily
    173 | November 29, 2012 6:38 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    And here I thought our criminal justice system was slow.

    No kidding…..this went at a snails pace…


  174. Da_Beerfreak
    174 | November 29, 2012 6:38 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Federal government has no business owning this land anyway. Turn it over to the state.

    We need a new Amendment banning the FedGov from owning any land outside of the District of Columbia. Any land the FedGov needs can be leased from the State the land is located in.

    The States created the FedGov in 1789. Today the States can get rid of the FedGov and replace it with something else if they choose to do so.


  175. song_and_dance_man
    175 | November 29, 2012 6:38 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    pot growers have their own SWAT teams

    An old friend of mine knew of some growers in the local mountains. San Gabriel range. He told me, and I never was tempted to challenge the claim, that if I walked into that area there was a good chance I would be killed.


  176. lobo91
    176 | November 29, 2012 6:39 pm

    @ heysoos:

    the Old Mexico border is about 300m south of me…I go down there a couple of times a year…infiltration, locally is a huge problem…the Sebelius says were cool….you just have to wonder what planet these cats are from, and why they are so deceitful

    NatGeo had an entire TV series about it. Maybe they don’t have cable…


  177. song_and_dance_man
    177 | November 29, 2012 6:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The Department of Education doesn’t have jurisdiction over anything that would require a SWAT team. It writes checks.

    I didn’t follow ^^UP^^ on the discussion and thought DOE was referencing the Dept. of Energy.


  178. Mars
    178 | November 29, 2012 6:40 pm

    http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bite-the-bullet-weve-got-too-many-agencies-with-armed-agents/

    The growth of the federal law enforcement bureaucracy has jumped dramatically over the last 20 years. There are now 73 federal agencies that have armed officers, often called “special agents.” And all of these agencies now cordon off and enforce a federal fiefdom of the more than 4,500 criminal laws at the federal level and thousands of additional regulations that have sprung up in recent decades.

    As of 2011, there are at least 25,000 sworn (and armed) law enforcement officers working for federal agencies not traditionally associated with law enforcement, and 3,800 of them were specifically criminal investigators.

    The list of agencies—many of which are recent creations—that have their own police forces is staggering. Even the Environmental Protection Agency has its own sworn officers, as does The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). While NOAA only has 63 officers today, the EPA started out with one armed officer in 1978 and as of last year it had 265. There is also the General Services Administration, the Department of Education, Agriculture, Housing and Urban Development—and the list goes on.


  179. lobo91
    179 | November 29, 2012 6:42 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    The Department of Education doesn’t have jurisdiction over anything that would require a SWAT team. It writes checks.

    I didn’t follow ^^UP^^ on the discussion and thought DOE was referencing the Dept. of Energy.

    DOE has had very heavily armed personnel for decades, because it’s responsible for security at nuclear facilities.

    I have no earthly idea why the Eductaion department needs SWAT teams.


  180. Lily
    180 | November 29, 2012 6:44 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ Lily:
    We are on the same page…don’t why you think we are not.

    I don’t mean to be rude…but I think it’s blasphemous for Islam to be tied with Christianity and the Jewish religion. When people start saying Mo was decended from Abraham’s second son..I just have to roll my eyes.. I know we are on the same page ..but to promote the lies of the Quran to connect them with the other religions I don’t like.
    Didn’t mean to be rude. I have just heard this line over and over and over again and people buy into it is all.


  181. Storagemanager
    181 | November 29, 2012 6:44 pm

    Think i will go to the basement and shoot some pool..night all.


  182. taxfreekiller
    182 | November 29, 2012 6:45 pm

    Obama’s war on America.

    http://freebeacon.com/susan-rices-enrichment-program/

    Susan Rice, investing in Iran’s A-Bomb building.


  183. song_and_dance_man
    183 | November 29, 2012 6:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    No kidding…..this went at a snails pace…

    Maybe they, the parties in concern, hoped with time everyone that followed the matter would forget it and cool their jets.


  184. Lily
    184 | November 29, 2012 6:46 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    pot growers have their own SWAT teams

    An old friend of mine knew of some growers in the local mountains. San Gabriel range. He told me, and I never was tempted to challenge the claim, that if I walked into that area there was a good chance I would be killed.

    I can understand taking his word for it.


  185. lobo91
    185 | November 29, 2012 6:48 pm

    @ Lily:

    I have about the same respect for Islam that I do for Scientology.

    At least Scientologists don’t go around killing people for not joining them (although they have been known to kill people who leave the group and say too much).


  186. Storagemanager
    186 | November 29, 2012 6:48 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ Lily:
    We are on the same page…don’t why you think we are not.

    I don’t mean to be rude…but I think it’s blasphemous for Islam to be tied with Christianity and the Jewish religion. When people start saying Mo was decended from Abraham’s second son..I just have to roll my eyes.. I know we are on the same page ..but to promote the lies of the Quran to connect them with the other religions I don’t like.
    Didn’t mean to be rude. I have just heard this line over and over and over again and people buy into it is all.

    The Bible has good and evil…have you not heard of Babylon?…that is Islam also…..Babylon is all false RELIGION…


  187. Lily
    187 | November 29, 2012 6:48 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    Nite Storagemanager! :)


  188. Da_Beerfreak
    188 | November 29, 2012 6:48 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I do have a theory but it kind of dips into tinfoil hat territory.

    Anyone recall the wons “civilian force” equal to the military? Well turns out a whole crapload of government agencies have been “gifted” large amounts of weapons and ammo over the last few years. This to me shows this wasn’t an O idea. This is something that started a long time ago with the libs. O just slipped and let the cat out of the bag. Fortunately the press ran interference for him and it was no harm no foul.

    Why does the FedGov love the DHS for $200?? :cool:


  189. song_and_dance_man
    189 | November 29, 2012 6:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I have no earthly idea why the Eductation department needs SWAT teams.

    A simple way to wrest parental control without the intervention of the local authorities. It is an interesting and disturbing trend, but I can see how maybe something like Columbine gave the Left an opportunity to take advantage of a crisis.


  190. Lily
    190 | November 29, 2012 6:51 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ Lily:
    We are on the same page…don’t why you think we are not.

    I don’t mean to be rude…but I think it’s blasphemous for Islam to be tied with Christianity and the Jewish religion. When people start saying Mo was decended from Abraham’s second son..I just have to roll my eyes.. I know we are on the same page ..but to promote the lies of the Quran to connect them with the other religions I don’t like.
    Didn’t mean to be rude. I have just heard this line over and over and over again and people buy into it is all.

    The Bible has good and evil…have you not heard of Babylon?…that is Islam also…..Babylon is all false RELIGION…

    Never said the Bible doesn’t mention evil…not really sure were you are going here. I do think Islam is evil but I don’t think mo came from the blood-line of Abraham is all. No matter what the Quran says.


  191. lobo91
    191 | November 29, 2012 6:51 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I have no earthly idea why the Eductation department needs SWAT teams.

    A simple way to wrest parental control without the intervention of the local authorities. It is an interesting and disturbing trend, but I can see how maybe something like Columbine gave the Left an opportunity to take advantage of a crisis.

    They have no jurisdiction at a public school.


  192. Mars
    192 | November 29, 2012 6:52 pm

    I’ve come to the conclusion that even though it seems as if the left is reactionary, in fact they plan things out in roughly 50 year increments. Everything we are seeing now was planned out at least 50 years ago. And 50 before that and on and on.


  193. Lily
    193 | November 29, 2012 6:52 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    Babylon wasn’t Islamic…now did Islam take parts of the Babylion’s oh hell yes..but Babylon was way before Christianity…still not sure where you are going with this.


  194. lobo91
    194 | November 29, 2012 6:55 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:

    Babylon wasn’t Islamic…now did Islam take parts of the Babylion’s oh hell yes..but Babylon was way before Christianity…still not sure where you are going with this.

    According to them, though, Islam is the original religion, and Judaism and Christianity are corrupted versions of it, not the other way around.


  195. buzzsawmonkey
    195 | November 29, 2012 6:56 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that even though it seems as if the left is reactionary, in fact they plan things out in roughly 50 year increments. Everything we are seeing now was planned out at least 50 years ago. And 50 before that and on and on.

    See my #124 above, or my #120 in this morning’s “counterculture” thread, if you want to have an idea how the Long March through the culture that brought us to the same-sex marriage controversy came about.


  196. Lily
    196 | November 29, 2012 6:56 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I have no earthly idea why the Eductation department needs SWAT teams.

    A simple way to wrest parental control without the intervention of the local authorities. It is an interesting and disturbing trend, but I can see how maybe something like Columbine gave the Left an opportunity to take advantage of a crisis.

    In fact they did take advantage of Columbine..after that happened you had gates and stuff in the schools…and everything you know about Columbine through the media is wrong. Those two kids weren’t bullied…they were the bullies…the media really did a number on that one. Twisted everything around.


  197. song_and_dance_man
    197 | November 29, 2012 6:56 pm

    I just googled DOE swat team. The story that the DOE has swat teams came from a Stockton raid on a student loan embezzler. It was executed by the Inspector Generals Office, which is an offshoot office of the DOE.

    A U.S. government official confirmed for News10 Wednesday morning federal agents with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG), not local S.W.A.T., served the search warrant.

    He went on to say OIG is a semi-independent branch of the U.S. Department of Education that executes warrants for criminal offenses such as student aid fraud and embezzlement of federal aid.


  198. Storagemanager
    198 | November 29, 2012 6:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    but Babylon was way before Christianity…still not sure where you are going with this.

    Revelation 17:4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery:

    babylon the great

    the mother of prostitutes

    and of the abominations of the earth.

    6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.


  199. Lily
    199 | November 29, 2012 6:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:

    Babylon wasn’t Islamic…now did Islam take parts of the Babylion’s oh hell yes..but Babylon was way before Christianity…still not sure where you are going with this.

    According to them, though, Islam is the original religion, and Judaism and Christianity are corrupted versions of it, not the other way around.

    Nothing but lies in that book..nothing good in it.


  200. lobo91
    200 | November 29, 2012 6:59 pm

    @ Lily:

    Remember, they believe that the Kaaba (the big black cube thingie in Mecca) was built by Abraham.


  201. Mars
    201 | November 29, 2012 7:00 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I’ve come to the conclusion that even though it seems as if the left is reactionary, in fact they plan things out in roughly 50 year increments. Everything we are seeing now was planned out at least 50 years ago. And 50 before that and on and on.
    See my #124 above, or my #120 in this morning’s “counterculture” thread, if you want to have an idea how the Long March through the culture that brought us to the same-sex marriage controversy came about.

    Yep.Lily wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I have no earthly idea why the Eductation department needs SWAT teams.
    A simple way to wrest parental control without the intervention of the local authorities. It is an interesting and disturbing trend, but I can see how maybe something like Columbine gave the Left an opportunity to take advantage of a crisis.

    In fact they did take advantage of Columbine..after that happened you had gates and stuff in the schools…and everything you know about Columbine through the media is wrong. Those two kids weren’t bullied…they were the bullies…the media really did a number on that one. Twisted everything around.

    Amongst criminals schools are now called “free fire” zones due to their no tolerance weapons policies.


  202. lobo91
    202 | November 29, 2012 7:00 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Student aid fraud doesn’t really seem like something you’d consider a “high risk” warrant service…


  203. heysoos
    203 | November 29, 2012 7:00 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I just googled DOE swat team. The story that the DOE has swat teams came from a Stockton raid on a student loan embezzler. It was executed by the Inspector Generals Office, which is an offshoot office of the DOE.
    A U.S. government official confirmed for News10 Wednesday morning federal agents with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG), not local S.W.A.T., served the search warrant.
    He went on to say OIG is a semi-independent branch of the U.S. Department of Education that executes warrants for criminal offenses such as student aid fraud and embezzlement of federal aid.

    pick any remote nuclear power plant or waste site…if either were robbed or even breached there would be no less than 4 SWAT teams arguing over turf…the county, the state, the FBI and the DoE who definitely has their own teams


  204. Da_Beerfreak
    204 | November 29, 2012 7:01 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bite-the-bullet-weve-got-too-many-agencies-with-armed-agents/

    The growth of the federal law enforcement bureaucracy has jumped dramatically over the last 20 years. There are now 73 federal agencies that have armed officers, often called “special agents.” And all of these agencies now cordon off and enforce a federal fiefdom of the more than 4,500 criminal laws at the federal level and thousands of additional regulations that have sprung up in recent decades.

    As of 2011, there are at least 25,000 sworn (and armed) law enforcement officers working for federal agencies not traditionally associated with law enforcement, and 3,800 of them were specifically criminal investigators.

    The list of agencies—many of which are recent creations—that have their own police forces is staggering. Even the Environmental Protection Agency has its own sworn officers, as does The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). While NOAA only has 63 officers today, the EPA started out with one armed officer in 1978 and as of last year it had 265. There is also the General Services Administration, the Department of Education, Agriculture, Housing and Urban Development—and the list goes on.

    What I would like to know is which part of the Constitution gives the FedGov any police powers in the first place??


  205. Lily
    205 | November 29, 2012 7:01 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    but Babylon was way before Christianity…still not sure where you are going with this.

    Revelation 17:4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery:

    babylon the great

    the mother of prostitutes

    and of the abominations of the earth.

    6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.

    Well you can make a case there that Islam is the new Babylon. Because they still have Babylonian aspects to it even today.


  206. heysoos
    206 | November 29, 2012 7:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Remember, they believe that the Kaaba (the big black cube thingie in Mecca) was built by Abraham.

    it all gets too fantastical for me…I don’t believe any of it, but that’s another debate


  207. Lily
    207 | November 29, 2012 7:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Remember, they believe that the Kaaba (the big black cube thingie in Mecca) was built by Abraham.

    Yeah I know…and they are all preachy about worshipping false idols and all..what is the rock? If not anything but a false idol. Hypocrites thy name is Islam.


  208. song_and_dance_man
    208 | November 29, 2012 7:02 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    See my #124 above, or my #120 in this morning’s “counterculture” thread, if you want to have an idea how the Long March through the culture that brought us to the same-sex marriage controversy came about.

    Robert Bork makes a good analysis of this ‘Long March’ in his book Slouching Towards Gomorrah.

    He would have made a fine SCOTUS jurist.


  209. Lily
    209 | November 29, 2012 7:04 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Million dollar question there.


  210. Storagemanager
    210 | November 29, 2012 7:04 pm

    @ Lily:
    all false religion is Babylon…and it started in Iraq

    Genesis 10:8 Cush was the father[c] of Nimrod, who became a mighty warrior on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; that is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord.” 10 The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Uruk, Akkad and Kalneh, in[d] Shinar.[e] 11 From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir,[f] Calah 12 and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah—which is the great city.


  211. buzzsawmonkey
    211 | November 29, 2012 7:05 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Robert Bork makes a good analysis of this ‘Long March’ in his book Slouching Towards Gomorrah.

    He would have made a fine SCOTUS jurist.

    Instead, we have the First DA/DT Justice, Elena Kagen, who will be the one to write the Supreme Court opinion decreeing that same-sex marriage is a matter of “equal protection” and effectively rendering the First Amendment a dead letter.


  212. song_and_dance_man
    212 | November 29, 2012 7:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Remember, they believe that the Kaaba (the big black cube thingie in Mecca) was built by Abraham.

    That was built by the Borg. No, not Victor.


  213. heysoos
    213 | November 29, 2012 7:07 pm

    the difference between Islam and Christianity is the behavior, not the roots of the myths…every religion has their sacred artifacts


  214. buzzsawmonkey
    214 | November 29, 2012 7:08 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    all false religion is Babylon…

    “Global warming” is the modern-day Tower of Babel; “Let us build a tower up to the heavens, and make a name for ourselves.”

    The story of the Tower of Babel is the story of man being so taken with his own brilliance that he sets himself up against God.


  215. song_and_dance_man
    215 | November 29, 2012 7:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Student aid fraud doesn’t really seem like something you’d consider a “high risk” warrant service…

    Why the story made a big noise is the perp no longer lived there and the ‘agents’ arrested an innocent family. Children included.


  216. Storagemanager
    216 | November 29, 2012 7:09 pm

    Abraham was called from Ur…the land of the moon god ( islam ) Mohammad took one god from the arabs over 300 and made him the god….he is the moon god of UR.


  217. Lily
    217 | November 29, 2012 7:09 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ Lily:
    all false religion is Babylon…and it started in Iraq

    Genesis 10:8 Cush was the father[c] of Nimrod, who became a mighty warrior on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; that is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord.” 10 The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Uruk, Akkad and Kalneh, in[d] Shinar.[e] 11 From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir,[f] Calah 12 and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah—which is the great city.

    Don’t know what to say here…but this is before the flood right?
    And what was written on the head of the woman was a mystery right?


  218. Da_Beerfreak
    218 | November 29, 2012 7:11 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:

    all false religion is Babylon…

    “Global warming” is the modern-day Tower of Babel; “Let us build a tower up to the heavens, and make a name for ourselves.”

    The story of the Tower of Babel is the story of man being so taken with his own brilliance that he sets himself up against God.

    Today’s Tower of Babel is Giant Government. Their goal is not to reach God, but to replace him.


  219. song_and_dance_man
    219 | November 29, 2012 7:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    pick any remote nuclear power plant or waste site…if either were robbed or even breached there would be no less than 4 SWAT teams arguing over turf…the county, the state, the FBI and the DoE who definitely has their own teams

    Unless your mole was selling to the Chinese.


  220. Lily
    220 | November 29, 2012 7:11 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:

    all false religion is Babylon…

    “Global warming” is the modern-day Tower of Babel; “Let us build a tower up to the heavens, and make a name for ourselves.”

    The story of the Tower of Babel is the story of man being so taken with his own brilliance that he sets himself up against God.

    Sounds like global warming (like humans can control the weather..really?) and obama letting others set himself up like some god…and he certainly doesn’t say anything at all to make them stop it..he likes it.


  221. Storagemanager
    221 | November 29, 2012 7:15 pm

    symbols of the mood god

    Isaiah 3:18 In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces

    Judges 8:25 “We will willingly give them,” they answered. So they spread a garment, and each threw into it an earring he had taken as booty. 26 The weight of the golden earrings that he requested was one thousand seven hundred shekels of gold (apart from the crescents and the pendants and the purple garments worn by the kings of Midian, and the collars that were on the necks of their camels).


  222. buzzsawmonkey
    222 | November 29, 2012 7:15 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Today’s Tower of Babel is Giant Government. Their goal is not to reach God, but to replace him.

    There are many such Towers today; giant government is merely one of them.

    The Jewish tradition says that the reason for the tower was that Nimrod, the king at the time, wanted to make war on the heavens, i.e., to overthrow God and reign in His stead.

    All attempts to substitute “science”—whether genuine science or pseudoscience like “global warming” or “eugenics” or the “science” which communism believes itself to be—for the divine are variants on the Tower of Babel.


  223. Storagemanager
    223 | November 29, 2012 7:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Don’t know what to say here…but this is before the flood right?

    after


  224. Lily
    224 | November 29, 2012 7:18 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    Okay thanks.


  225. Storagemanager
    225 | November 29, 2012 7:19 pm

    mohammad took the mood god and made the god..allah was around before mohammad.


  226. heysoos
    226 | November 29, 2012 7:22 pm

    how many gods are there do you figure?


  227. song_and_dance_man
    227 | November 29, 2012 7:22 pm

    The idea of Babylon being the mother of all harlotry is clothed in allegory.

    There is a running idea/truth in scripture, that is the Hebrew and Jew/Gentile ones, that describe a marriage between God and his people. The Song of Songs is a perfect example of this, and moving to the post Jesus age, the people are called the church and the bride of Christ.

    The harlot is a facsimile and all encompassing expression of those who marry another while being inherently bound to the creator. She is a harlot, and adulterer.

    The vision John saw of the Harlot is the wayward bride that denies God in unfaithfulness who ride the Beast of a degenerating world system. She is the collective of those who follow other gods whether they be fallen spirits or man made institutions. Islam and the secular humanism are only two components, but you can see what the meaning is by just these two.


  228. Storagemanager
    228 | November 29, 2012 7:23 pm

    Mohammad’s father was named name Abdullah ..it mean’s the “slave of Allah”….how could one be a slave of something you don’t know about?


  229. Lily
    229 | November 29, 2012 7:25 pm

    @ heysoos:

    One.


  230. Lily
    230 | November 29, 2012 7:26 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Thanks for that explantion.


  231. Storagemanager
    231 | November 29, 2012 7:26 pm

    now..for that game of 8 ball.


  232. lobo91
    232 | November 29, 2012 7:27 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Mohammad’s father was named name Abdullah ..it mean’s the “slave of Allah”….how could one be a slave of something you don’t know about?

    How could Mohammed have made his “night journey” from the “furthest mosque” in Jerusalem when there were no mosques in Jerusalem at the time?

    Logic and Islam don’t mix…


  233. heysoos
    233 | November 29, 2012 7:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Mohammad’s father was named name Abdullah ..it mean’s the “slave of Allah”….how could one be a slave of something you don’t know about?

    How could Mohammed have made his “night journey” from the “furthest mosque” in Jerusalem when there were no mosques in Jerusalem at the time?
    Logic and Islam don’t mix…

    logic and religion don’t mix


  234. song_and_dance_man
    234 | November 29, 2012 7:32 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The Jewish tradition says that the reason for the tower was that Nimrod, the king at the time, wanted to make war on the heavens, i.e., to overthrow God and reign in His stead.

    The other interesting thing about Nimrod is, he was a hunter of men. He sought out men to join his ‘conspiracy’ in alignment. IIRC he was the first to build cities where people could be indoctrinated to a pagan lifesytle devoid of the traditions that came down from the faithful ancestors of Adam.


  235. song_and_dance_man
    235 | November 29, 2012 7:35 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the difference between Islam and Christianity is the behavior

    right on


  236. Lily
    236 | November 29, 2012 7:37 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Logic and religion do mix. Just have to look for it. There are many false religions…but logic and religion do mix if give it chance. But that is a choice for you and only you to make. To believe or not to believe. Your choice.


  237. Lily
    237 | November 29, 2012 7:38 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    the difference between Islam and Christianity is the behavior

    right on

    Which also falls into line with “By their fruits you shall know them”


  238. Lily
    238 | November 29, 2012 7:40 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Just got the results of stress test..I flunked. Heart doctor soon.


  239. 239 | November 29, 2012 7:42 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    the two presidential rivals pledged to stay in touch, particularly if opportunities to work together come up in the future.

    Sellout.

    Mark my words.

    Storagemanager wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Wow! Most of the western states are under federal government control. Yikes.
    And it’s mostly the areas where the resources are.

    10.
    Integrated approach to the planning and management of land resources http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

    We oughta sell the vast majority of that land to pay off the national debt. And quit SPENDING fercryinoutloud!


  240. lobo91
    240 | November 29, 2012 7:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Just got the results of stress test..I flunked. Heart doctor soon.

    Leia says if you take the pills with peanut butter like she does, it’s not so bad.


  241. Da_Beerfreak
    241 | November 29, 2012 7:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Just got the results of stress test..I flunked. Heart doctor soon.

    Ouch!! Good luck & Prayers.


  242. song_and_dance_man
    242 | November 29, 2012 7:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Logic and religion do mix. Just have to look for it.

    I agree with that. That is the whole idea behind apologetics.


  243. Lily
    243 | November 29, 2012 7:45 pm

    @ lobo91:

    LOL! Seems I have the beginnings of some blockages … this is what I didn’t want to hear at all.


  244. 244 | November 29, 2012 7:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Just got the results of stress test..I flunked. Heart doctor soon.

    I was told to get one of those plus a 24 hr heart monitor. Can’t afford either one and won’t be able to for the foreseeable future.


  245. Lily
    245 | November 29, 2012 7:46 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Thanks..almost had me thinking I passed…until about an hour ago..no news was good news…but I got news.


  246. lobo91
    246 | November 29, 2012 7:46 pm

    @ Lily:

    She doesn’t let me forget, either. Every morning I get up, let her out, and she comes back in and waits for her pill.

    Or it could be the peanut butter.


  247. Lily
    247 | November 29, 2012 7:48 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Need to go get the test done. For your own good. Really.


  248. Lily
    248 | November 29, 2012 7:49 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Glad Leia is doing well. Very glad.


  249. Mars
    249 | November 29, 2012 7:50 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Just got the results of stress test..I flunked. Heart doctor soon.

    I’m sorry to hear that.

    I’ve had a couple scary moments this week and am tempted to do one. But, they only want to do the treadmill stress test with me and my asthma isn’t compatible with it. (Freaking VA)


  250. song_and_dance_man
    250 | November 29, 2012 7:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Which also falls into line with “By their fruits you shall know them”

    Yep. And my prayers are with you.


  251. Lily
    251 | November 29, 2012 7:52 pm

    @ Mars:

    They will not do the chemical one??? That’s the one I had. I had two bad spells in the last month. No heart-attack…but something is going on. I really, really am not happy about this.


  252. Lily
    252 | November 29, 2012 7:53 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Thank you I’m going to need all I can get.


  253. Mars
    253 | November 29, 2012 7:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    They will not do the chemical one??? That’s the one I had. I had two bad spells in the last month. No heart-attack…but something is going on. I really, really am not happy about this.

    Nope, everytime they bring it up, it’s automatically “We’ll schedule the treadmill”.

    (VA -- Government healthcare coming soon to everyone.)


  254. Lily
    254 | November 29, 2012 7:56 pm

    @ Mars:

    Sorry to hear about that.


  255. song_and_dance_man
    255 | November 29, 2012 7:56 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Leia says if you take the pills with peanut butter like she does, it’s not so bad.

    I have no idea what Lily looks like, but the mental pic of her taking a pill on a pat of peanut butter is hard to imagine.


  256. lobo91
    256 | November 29, 2012 7:58 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I have no idea what Lily looks like, but the mental pic of her taking a pill on a pat of peanut butter is hard to imagine.

    LOL


  257. Lily
    257 | November 29, 2012 7:58 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I’m only 53 little 5’2″ slight of build and short hair. ;)


  258. Lily
    258 | November 29, 2012 8:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Hubby just gave me my aspirin …no peanut butter though. Right now that is all they have me taking till I get to heart doc.


  259. Calo
    259 | November 29, 2012 8:01 pm

    @ Lily:
    Yes, you are definately vertically challenged.


  260. Lily
    260 | November 29, 2012 8:03 pm

    @ Calo:

    :lol:

    Yeah I had another spell this week…went straight to stress test today…they said there might be some blockages starting up. This is not what I wanted to hear …at all.


  261. song_and_dance_man
    261 | November 29, 2012 8:04 pm

    @ Lily:
    I didn’t mean to make light of your condition; only wanted to interject a little humor.

    I’m 55, a bit overweight and am forging for 80 to 90, god willing.


  262. Lily
    262 | November 29, 2012 8:06 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Didn’t think you were … I thought it was funny!!! It is what it is. Yuck….or fiddle-sticks darn it.


  263. Lily
    263 | November 29, 2012 8:07 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    We are all different shapes and sizes… ;)


  264. Calo
    264 | November 29, 2012 8:08 pm

    @ Lily:
    I am glad you heeded my advice then.

    Best to catch this stuff early.


  265. Lily
    265 | November 29, 2012 8:11 pm

    @ Calo:

    I am rather scared of it. Told you I’d flunk that damn thing…the only thing I’ve gotten right all year long! (I was hoping I would stay on my being wrong streak…naturally this is the one I was hoping I was wrong on.)


  266. lobo91
    266 | November 29, 2012 8:15 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I am glad you heeded my advice then.

    Best to catch this stuff early.

    Leia agrees.

    But she still thinks Lily should hold out for peanut butter, or at least that spray cheese stuff.


  267. song_and_dance_man
    267 | November 29, 2012 8:16 pm

    My mom, who is 85, is finally succumbing to old age. She is a fighter and will beat her kidneys into compliance for at least another year. But knowing her she will live for a few more years.


  268. Lily
    268 | November 29, 2012 8:21 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Prayers up for your mother!


  269. Calo
    269 | November 29, 2012 8:24 pm

    @ Lily:
    The doc thinks you have some partial blockages.
    It will either be controlled with medicine or by a cardiac cath with stents dropped in to fix the blockage.

    Either way, it is better than having a 100% blockage that you are unaware of.

    Now, I won’t tell your mom about this if you promise to quit smoking in January with me.


  270. Lily
    270 | November 29, 2012 8:30 pm

    @ Calo:

    Hard bargin there but it looks like I’m going to have to slow down and quit smoking..sure wish you were here when they do whatever they do….haven’t told mom yet.
    Don’t know when my appt is for heart doc. Probably know tomorrow. Now if the pain lasts for more than a few minutes have to go to ER. I really hope I don’t have another spell. Really.


  271. Calo
    271 | November 29, 2012 8:35 pm

    @ Lily:
    Meh, if you need me to come out, I will.
    It’s only a few hours away.

    Tell your mom after, if you can control that flow of information.
    It will ease your stress a bit not to have to worry about her reaction.

    And, I will not speak of your mom anymore tonight here. Gotta keep you smiling.


  272. Lily
    272 | November 29, 2012 8:42 pm

    @ Calo:

    Oh you are so busy with the season and all. No I’m not telling my mom right now. Yep I have to keep calm huh? I’ll let you know what the heart doc says…not sure when I will get in. Took forever for the doc to get my insurance to approve of the stress test…I think the second spell did it. Happened Tuesday morning.


  273. Lily
    273 | November 29, 2012 8:47 pm

    Going to go watch Saints game nite all …and nite {{{Calo}}}!


  274. Calo
    274 | November 29, 2012 8:50 pm

    @ Lily:
    Lily, I can take a few days off if I need to.
    That’s why I pay my employees.

    I’ll be in touch.
    Go enjoy the Saints.


  275. lobo91
    275 | November 29, 2012 8:54 pm

    @ Lily:

    Night


  276. 276 | November 29, 2012 8:55 pm

    New Thread.


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