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Bailout Nation. Next up… $1Trillion Bailout for Student Loans

by huckfunn ( 188 Comments › )
Filed under Bailouts, Barack Obama, Corruption, Cult of Obama, Debt, Democratic Party, Economy, Education, Elections 2012, government, Politics, Socialism, taxation, unemployment at November 30th, 2012 - 6:00 pm

 

We had a brief discussion of the possible bailout/forgiveness of student loans several days ago, and here we are. Congressman Hanson Clarke (D-MI) has proposed H.R. 4170, the Student Loan Forgiveness Act of 2012. You can see from the chart above that the student loan delinquency rate spiked to a record 11% during the presidential campaign on speculation that Obama would be reelected. Inasmuch as that nightmare has occurred and an actual bailout bill has been proposed, it’s a pretty safe bet that the delinquency rate will will continue straight up.

America’s now-nationalized student loan industry just reached a value of $1 trillion, according to Citigroup, growing at a 20 percent-per-year pace. Since President Obama nationalized the industry (a tacked-on provision of the Obamacare bill), tuition has gone up 25 percent and the three-year default rate is at a record 13.4 percent.

With many young people unable to pay their loans (average graduating debt is about $29,000), Citigroup and others are speculating that this industry might be ripe for a bailout.

To pay off all the current defaults, Citigroup says it would cost taxpayers $74 billion. However, this number doesn’t include those who will default in the coming years, and, when the government rewards the defaulters, it will encourage more borrowers not to pay their debts.

And liberals in Congress have proposed forgiving all student loans via “The Student Loan Forgiveness Act 2012,” costing taxpayers $1 trillion.

Adding another $1 trillion dollars to the national debt isn’t exactly “forgiveness” for young people—it’s prolonging the payoff. In fact, student loan bailouts are a catch-22 for young people because they’re going to be held accountable for paying off the national debt and interest payments.

A student loan bailout will also be rewarding higher education bureaucrats for a diminished product. A college degree used to mean that a person would add on average $1 million to their income over their lifetime. Today a college degree only guarantees an average $300,000 in added income over a lifetime.

Continue reading here. HT – Breitbart

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188 Responses to “Bailout Nation. Next up… $1Trillion Bailout for Student Loans”
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  1. heysoos
    1 | November 30, 2012 6:11 pm

    burn


  2. Da_Beerfreak
    2 | November 30, 2012 6:11 pm

    Debt that can not be paid back will not be paid back. It’s just a mater of time.


  3. heysoos
    3 | November 30, 2012 6:16 pm

    I propose new and strenuous guidelines to federal college loans…
    -a person can count to ten without using toes
    -a person can point to Florida on a map of Floruda


  4. lobo91
    4 | November 30, 2012 6:24 pm

    H.R. 4170 doesn’t actually propose to forgive all outstanding student loans:

    H.R. 4170 would forgive student loan debt for those who have paid 10 percent of their discretionary income toward their loans for 10 years and would cap interest on federal student loans at the current rate of 3.4 percent. Individuals who go into teaching, public service or practice medicine in underserved areas would have their debt forgiven after only five years.


  5. unclassifiable
    5 | November 30, 2012 6:24 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Maybe what we need is a college-level version of the GED so that folks can teach themselves and avoid all this.

    Just a idea folks. It can be stomped on and not hurt my feelings.


  6. 6 | November 30, 2012 6:27 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Debt that can not be paid back will not be paid back. It’s just a mater of time.

    Yep.

    Welcome to sunny Zimbabwe.


  7. huckfunn
    7 | November 30, 2012 6:53 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    H.R. 4170 doesn’t actually propose to forgive all outstanding student loans

    I guess my point is that regardless of the percentage being forgiven, this is one more bailout that we simply can’t afford. Anyone with a student loan debt will simply look at the parameters provided for in the bill and decide when they can default. A lot of knuckleheads will just read “loan forgiveness bill” and default immediately. At any rate, the delinquency line on the above chart is about to go straight up.


  8. citizen_q
    8 | November 30, 2012 7:00 pm

    So if Student Loans have been essentially nationalized, what is to prevent the grabbermint from ignoring defaulters like they ignore illegal immigrants?

    Especially if looking the other way suites the demoncraps political designs.


  9. Lily
    9 | November 30, 2012 7:02 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    We aren’t Zimbabwe yet. Heavens to Betsy.


  10. Lily
    10 | November 30, 2012 7:03 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Nothing I suppose.


  11. huckfunn
    11 | November 30, 2012 7:06 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    So if Student Loans have been essentially nationalized, what is to prevent the grabbermint from ignoring defaulters like they ignore illegal immigrants?

    Especially if looking the other way suites the demoncraps political designs.

    Lobo had a good explanation of this when we talked about it earlier in the week. I think his point was that individual banks actually hold the paper on the loans and the feds are the guarantors of the loans. I’m not really up to speed on big banking and the various relationships between the guarantors and the institutions that hold the paper but my question was essentially the same as yours.


  12. 12 | November 30, 2012 7:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    We aren’t Zimbabwe yet. Heavens to Betsy.

    Not yet. But we’re speeding headlong toward that death spiral.

    This sort of spending DOES trigger first inflation and then hyperinflation. It gets out of control.

    Here is an article explaining how this happens.


  13. citizen_q
    13 | November 30, 2012 7:15 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    I wonder if the paper held by the banks is attributable to individual students, or if the paper is a bundle of many loans. and how the loans are serviced. If students pay the bank holding the paper, or some agency that acts a an intermediary?


  14. huckfunn
    14 | November 30, 2012 7:24 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    I just don’t know. I got my degree via the G.I. Bill and never had to get a student loan.


  15. citizen_q
    15 | November 30, 2012 7:30 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    I had a student loan, over 20 years ago. After I got out of the Army. They totaled $4K. I was working and contributing to my family financially, and that was just enough for me to barely scrape by. I paid it off early.

    Sad to say, I don’t remember the details more than the amount, and I paid it off early. I did not and still don’t like being in debt.


  16. huckfunn
    16 | November 30, 2012 7:37 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Sad to say, I don’t remember the details more than the amount, and I paid it off early. I did not and still don’t like being in debt.

    Same here. I’ll be just about debt free next year… other than my share of those unfunded trillions run up by Teh Owe.


  17. lobo91
    17 | November 30, 2012 7:39 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    New loans, since the government took over the program, are issued by the Department of Education, rather than banks. If those loans are defauled on, the government can do whatever it likes, including simply forgiving them.

    None of those loans are in default, though, because people who got them are probably still in school.

    The bulk of the exisiting loans were issued by banks, and are guaranteed by the feds. If those go into default, the taxpayers have to repay the banks.

    One other thing about that chart: It doesn’t actually show defaults, it shows delinquencies, which are just loans where the borrower is behind by 30 days. Not all delinquencies become defaults.


  18. Lily
    18 | November 30, 2012 7:42 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I under economic’s…thank you though.


  19. Lily
    19 | November 30, 2012 7:42 pm

    @ Lily:

    Darn it…PIMF I UNDERSTAND.
    /darn keyboard


  20. Bumr50
    20 | November 30, 2012 7:45 pm

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agSM7SkviWU


  21. Lily
    21 | November 30, 2012 7:45 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    I had a student loan, over 20 years ago. After I got out of the Army. They totaled $4K. I was working and contributing to my family financially, and that was just enough for me to barely scrape by. I paid it off early.
    Sad to say, I don’t remember the details more than the amount, and I paid it off early. I did not and still don’t like being in debt.

    Is that you Mr. Lily????
    LOL! He doesn’t get in debt…and when he has debt he pays it off quickly. Rather tight with his money … I think I saw a moth fly out of his wallet once on the rare occasion he opened it. ;)


  22. lobo91
    22 | November 30, 2012 7:49 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’ll be one of those people making student loan payments out of my Social Security check (assuming that I actually get a check).


  23. Lily
    23 | November 30, 2012 7:50 pm

    @ lobo91:

    So will my oldest son.


  24. Lily
    24 | November 30, 2012 7:50 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I Leia is all festive for the Holiday’s! ;)


  25. Lily
    25 | November 30, 2012 7:51 pm

    Pimf

    I See
    /oh I’m really messing up today.


  26. lobo91
    26 | November 30, 2012 7:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I see Leia is all festive for the Holiday’s!

    She was for the 10 seconds it took me to take that picture, anyway…


  27. Lily
    27 | November 30, 2012 7:54 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Well that’s ten seconds of Holiday cheer! ;)
    /I don’t have any cheer yet…Cardio doc Monday. Not. Looking. Forward. To. It. At. All. :(


  28. citizen_q
    28 | November 30, 2012 7:56 pm

    @ Lily:
    LOL! No, I am not tight. I just try to live within my means.


  29. Lily
    29 | November 30, 2012 7:57 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I was teasing…really I always tease hubby about it..but really he isn’t that tight. ;)


  30. lobo91
    30 | November 30, 2012 7:58 pm

    @ Lily:

    That’s pretty much the extent of my holiday cheer, too. I don’t plan to put up any decorations this year. Just runs up my utility bill.

    I’m sure everything will turn out fine with your appointment. Just stock up on peanut butter :)


  31. huckfunn
    31 | November 30, 2012 8:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    New loans, since the government took over the program, are issued by the Department of Education, rather than banks. If those loans are defauled on, the government can do whatever it likes, including simply forgiving them.

    None of those loans are in default, though, because people who got them are probably still in school.

    The bulk of the exisiting loans were issued by banks, and are guaranteed by the feds. If those go into default, the taxpayers have to repay the banks.

    One other thing about that chart: It doesn’t actually show defaults, it shows delinquencies, which are just loans where the borrower is behind by 30 days. Not all delinquencies become defaults.

    Thanks for the explanation. I made the mistake of using “default” and delinquent” as the same thing. If I remember correctly, a delinquent loan is not in default until the lender declares it so.


  32. Lily
    32 | November 30, 2012 8:00 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Thanks lobo…but it is scary really for me. At least I have the week-end and pray I don’t have another spell. I have had two in less than a month..right when I get up in the morning. They aren’t fun and now they are telling me it’s my heart. Dang.


  33. lobo91
    33 | November 30, 2012 8:02 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Thanks for the explanation. I made the mistake of using “default” and delinquent” as the same thing. If I remember correctly, a delinquent loan is not in default until the lender declares it so.

    Right. If you miss a payment, you’re delinquent. Default means you’re not going to pay.


  34. Lily
    34 | November 30, 2012 8:02 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Peanut butter huh??? :lol:


  35. lobo91
    35 | November 30, 2012 8:04 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Peanut butter huh???

    Leia says that it’s the key


  36. Lily
    36 | November 30, 2012 8:07 pm

    @ lobo91:

    :lol:


  37. citizen_q
    37 | November 30, 2012 8:08 pm

    @ Lily:
    No worries! It’s nice you feel comfortable enough with me to tease. I don’t mind a little light hearted teasing.

    I tease my wife too.


  38. huckfunn
    38 | November 30, 2012 8:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Right. If you miss a payment, you’re delinquent. Default means you’re not going to pay.

    I still think the delinquency rate will continue to climb and a substantial number of them will ultimately default now that the cat’s out of the bag.


  39. Bumr50
    39 | November 30, 2012 8:09 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Bailey has figured out how to suck the peanut butter off of the pill and then spit it out.


  40. lobo91
    40 | November 30, 2012 8:10 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I still think the delinquency rate will continue to climb and a substantial number of them will ultimately default now that the cat’s out of the bag.

    Very possibly. These are the same people who thought Obama was going to pay their mortgages, after all.


  41. huckfunn
    41 | November 30, 2012 8:12 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Bailey has figured out how to suck the peanut butter off of the pill and then spit it out.

    I wrap my hound’s pill in a little ball of bread and she wolfs it right down. Occasionally the pill will fall out on the floor but she goes right after it. Pills, poop… whatever. It’s all protein to her.


  42. Lily
    42 | November 30, 2012 8:12 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    8-)


  43. lobo91
    43 | November 30, 2012 8:12 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Bailey has figured out how to suck the peanut butter off of the pill and then spit it out.

    Leia knows that she has to swallow the pill. She just thinks the peanut butter is a payment for doing it.

    She knocked the pill out of the peanut butter one time. I figured that I was going to have to get more peanut butter after she finished, but I didn’t. She picked the pill up off the floor after she finished the peanut butter.


  44. Calo
    44 | November 30, 2012 8:16 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    My Siberian loves McDonald’s hamburgers – eats everything except the pickles.

    They are left like two lonely little rejected blobs on the kitchen floor that I gotta toss.


  45. Lily
    45 | November 30, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ Calo:

    Now there is an imagine. Two lonely pickles on the floor. :lol:


  46. Da_Beerfreak
    46 | November 30, 2012 8:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Peanut butter huh???

    One can never have to much money, ammo, or peanut butter. :grin:


  47. lobo91
    47 | November 30, 2012 8:18 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    My Siberian loves McDonald’s hamburgers — eats everything except the pickles.

    They are left like two lonely little rejected blobs on the kitchen floor that I gotta toss.

    I don’t like pickles, so when I get a burger from anyplace other than McDonalds, I order it without, but doing that at McDonalds will cause a rupture in the space-time continuum.

    I just give the pickles to Leia. She loves them.


  48. Lily
    48 | November 30, 2012 8:19 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    :lol: Or chocolate!


  49. 49 | November 30, 2012 8:21 pm

    @ Lily:

    Good luck on the test, Miss Lily. Whatever the problem is, they can probably deal with it. And by the way, I’m no anti-smoking zealot,

    but ya gotta lose the smokes

    . I quit going on two years ago and I really loved smoking. If I can do it, so can you.

    Obama said that voting is the best revenge, as usual he was wrong. Getting old is the best revenge. Here’s to you getting a lot older!


  50. Lily
    50 | November 30, 2012 8:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    @ huckfunn:
    My Siberian loves McDonald’s hamburgers — eats everything except the pickles.
    They are left like two lonely little rejected blobs on the kitchen floor that I gotta toss.
    I don’t like pickles, so when I get a burger from anyplace other than McDonalds, I order it without, but doing that at McDonalds will cause a rupture in the space-time continuum.
    I just give the pickles to Leia. She loves them.

    Isn’t that the truth…about Mickey D’s……you would think the universe has come to a stop with a special order there.


  51. huckfunn
    51 | November 30, 2012 8:22 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    My Siberian loves McDonald’s hamburgers — eats everything except the pickles.

    They are left like two lonely little rejected blobs on the kitchen floor that I gotta toss.

    Years ago my son would slip his brussel sprouts to the hound and she in turn rejected them after sucking off the butter sauce.


  52. 52 | November 30, 2012 8:22 pm

    Boy, I really screwed THAT one up, didn’t I?


  53. Da_Beerfreak
    53 | November 30, 2012 8:22 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Or chocolate!

    Ouch!! :shock: How could I forget chocolate. :oops:


  54. Lily
    54 | November 30, 2012 8:23 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Thanks MacDuff …yeah I know I’m going to have to lose the smokes. Just not looking forward to the whole thing here. Fiddle-sticks!


  55. 55 | November 30, 2012 8:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Bailey has figured out how to suck the peanut butter off of the pill and then spit it out.

    Leia knows that she has to swallow the pill. She just thinks the peanut butter is a payment for doing it.
    She knocked the pill out of the peanut butter one time. I figured that I was going to have to get more peanut butter after she finished, but I didn’t. She picked the pill up off the floor after she finished the peanut butter.

    Awww, cute!

    huckfunn wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Right. If you miss a payment, you’re delinquent. Default means you’re not going to pay.
    I still think the delinquency rate will continue to climb and a substantial number of them will ultimately default now that the cat’s out of the bag.

    Yup.

    huckfunn wrote:

    If I remember correctly, a delinquent loan is not in default until the lender declares it so.

    Some less-than-scrupulous banks and financial companies have lied to investors and the government by refusing to acknowledge that loans are in default when it’s obvious that they aren’t likely to be paid back. That makes their books look a lot more sound than they actually are.

    Lily wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Darn it…PIMF I UNDERSTAND.
    /darn keyboard

    Some lurkers on the blog and random visitors might not necessarily understand economics. We are all in a truly perilous situation and I want to underline the dangers of proceeding any further with these cockamamie harebrained schemes.


  56. 56 | November 30, 2012 8:24 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Years ago my son would slip his brussel sprouts to the hound and she in turn rejected them after sucking off the butter sauce.

    HA! Good for her! For me, brussels sprouts are an un-acquired acquired taste.


  57. Calo
    57 | November 30, 2012 8:25 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Chantix, Lily.

    It works for quitting for most people.


  58. 58 | November 30, 2012 8:25 pm

    Later, peeps.


  59. Lily
    59 | November 30, 2012 8:26 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Na…it came through loud and clear …. :)


  60. lobo91
    60 | November 30, 2012 8:26 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Fortunately, the glucosamine supplements I give Leia are beef-flavored (or at least that’s what the label says…I’m not checking) and chewable. She thinks they’re treats.


  61. Lily
    61 | November 30, 2012 8:27 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Or chocolate!
    Ouch!! How could I forget chocolate.

    A lady always remembers the chocolate. ;)


  62. 62 | November 30, 2012 8:27 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Chantix, Lily.

    It works for quitting for most people.

    That’s what I used! I had very cool dreams….kinda miss those. ;)


  63. Da_Beerfreak
    63 | November 30, 2012 8:28 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    But cockamamie harebrained schemes are the most fun. :wink:


  64. Lily
    64 | November 30, 2012 8:30 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Chantix, Lily.
    It works for quitting for most people.

    After this episode I may not need that incentive…


  65. Lily
    65 | November 30, 2012 8:31 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    @ MacDuff:
    Chantix, Lily.
    It works for quitting for most people.
    That’s what I used! I had very cool dreams….kinda miss those.

    I’d probably have nightmares….and guess what I am wrong most the time except when I really want to be wrong. ;)


  66. Lily
    66 | November 30, 2012 8:32 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    But cockamamie harebrained schemes are the most fun.

    My youngest son comes up with a lot of those. ;)


  67. Calo
    67 | November 30, 2012 8:33 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Don’t ask about the Chantix dreams.
    My hubby was a very happy man when I was on those pills.

    He keeps trying to refill my prescription.


  68. Lily
    68 | November 30, 2012 8:34 pm

    @ Calo:

    Oh my!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | November 30, 2012 8:34 pm

    more ‘gifts’ from baracka claus!


  70. Lily
    70 | November 30, 2012 8:36 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Ah well he’s making a list and checking twice for all the naughty people he doesn’t like! ;)


  71. Da_Beerfreak
    71 | November 30, 2012 8:37 pm

    @ Lily:
    Deciding to quit and really meaning it is the hard step. Once you really make the decision to quit it’s not as hard as folks say it is.

    I quit 10 years ago, after smoking for 30 years. :wink:


  72. Lily
    72 | November 30, 2012 8:38 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I’ve been seeing coming..just didn’t want this to force me to. Darn it. Oh well it is what it is.


  73. Da_Beerfreak
    73 | November 30, 2012 8:40 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    But cockamamie harebrained schemes are the most fun.

    My youngest son comes up with a lot of those.

    I’m surprised I survived some of those myself back when I was young and stupid…


  74. Lily
    74 | November 30, 2012 8:49 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    He’s 26 now and living on his own..so I don’t get to see his cockamamie harebarebrained schemes un-fold like I use too.. But there is the calls for help from his dad when everything goes side-ways..like you know he is going to something to his house and oops he doesn’t know what he’s doing…DAD CAN YOU COME OVER…I NEED A LITTLE..( in the background…DON’T TOUCH THAT!!!….) SORRY DAD I NEED SOME HELP!!! We still get a few of those calls. LOL!


  75. huckfunn
    75 | November 30, 2012 8:51 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    A couple of good ballgames on. UCLA-Stanford tied at 7. NIU leading Kent 17-10. I’d love to see UCLA beat Stanford. It would bump my Aggies up at least 1 notch.


  76. 76 | November 30, 2012 8:51 pm

    @ unclassifiable:
    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Maybe what we need is a college-level version of the GED so that folks can teach themselves and avoid all this.
    Just a idea folks. It can be stomped on and not hurt my feelings.

    Not stomping, just saying. Prior to World War II, and especially prior to the Great Depression, college degrees were rare. During the New Deal, “shovel ready” jobs were made available and the higher ups were the guys with college degrees. WW II comes and the guys with college degrees were instant officers. Suddenly, everyone “needed” a college degree.

    What a boon for the left-leaning colleges! GI bill sends guys to college and parents want to send their kids to finish college. Those leftist institutions of higher learning get more money and grow. Of course, more young people are exposed to their left-wing propaganda.

    Do you realize that your college GED would break the back of this whole system?

    But, you knew that!


  77. Lily
    77 | November 30, 2012 8:53 pm

    @ Lily:

    A lot of times there is also the cavaet…DAD THERE’S WATER EVERYWHERE!!!


  78. Lily
    78 | November 30, 2012 8:56 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    All colleges or Universities aren’t left-wing. Too many are but not all.


  79. Lily
    79 | November 30, 2012 9:03 pm

    Well I have no excuse I did kill this thread. :oops:


  80. Lily
    80 | November 30, 2012 9:07 pm

    Well it is settled…damn the facts and all…but Sandy showed us it’s REAL!!!!!!!!!!!! Hurricanes have never happened like they do now ..in the past there weren’t hurricanes apparently.
    Damn these people are dumb.

    Barbara Boxer: “Hurricane Sandy Has Shown Us” Global Warming Is Real…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/30/barbara-boxer-hurricane-sandy-has-shown-us-global-warming-is-real/


  81. Lily
    81 | November 30, 2012 9:11 pm

    It’s lonely here. ;)

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMrteHsj_q8


  82. Calo
    82 | November 30, 2012 9:12 pm

    @ Lily:
    You Lily’ed the thread again, didn’t you?


  83. Lily
    83 | November 30, 2012 9:14 pm

    @ Calo:

    Yes. :oops: *hangs head in abject shame*


  84. Calo
    84 | November 30, 2012 9:17 pm

    @ Lily:
    I’m sorry, I haven’t abandoned you.

    Just trying to find my way around a new computer and Windows 8.

    I’m lost.


  85. citizen_q
    85 | November 30, 2012 9:20 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ Calo:
    I am multi-tasking…. Watching TV with the wife, knapping in my easy chair, surfing on my laptop.

    Life is good.


  86. Lily
    86 | November 30, 2012 9:21 pm

    @ Calo:

    You finally did it didn’t you??? You got a new one! Yeah..too bad oldest son can’t be there to help you..I just hand my computer to him and say *Make it Work!*…presto job is done. Of course there might be a bit of bitchin’ going while he mumbling how I’m so “computer challenged”…I don’t care though.. ;)


  87. coldwarrior
    87 | November 30, 2012 9:22 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    A couple of good ballgames on. UCLA-Stanford tied at 7. NIU leading Kent 17-10. I’d love to see UCLA beat Stanford. It would bump my Aggies up at least 1 notch.

    nah…i root for stanford. better econ department.


  88. Lily
    88 | November 30, 2012 9:22 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    LOL!!!!!


  89. citizen_q
    89 | November 30, 2012 9:22 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    We’re watching Happiness is a Warm Blanket Charlie Brown.

    Real high brow here.


  90. Calo
    90 | November 30, 2012 9:26 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    LOL, what is it with you Peanuts fans?

    Gotta love it.


  91. Lily
    91 | November 30, 2012 9:27 pm

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYbwdWbl2z0


  92. Lily
    92 | November 30, 2012 9:28 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    LOL, what is it with you Peanuts fans?
    Gotta love it.

    All American…LOL! Is there life on Mars???????


  93. coldwarrior
    93 | November 30, 2012 9:29 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    We’re watching Happiness is a Warm Blanket Charlie Brown.
    Real high brow here.

    heh, mrs coldwarrior and i are eating left over chinese, in pj’s, and drinking some cheap red wine to go with he stanford-ucla game here.

    :lol:

    uber-high brow


  94. Lily
    94 | November 30, 2012 9:32 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    @ coldwarrior:

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiUQE5bJKFU


  95. Calo
    95 | November 30, 2012 9:32 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    left over Chinese food and pj’s are on my radar too.

    Darn, here I was thinking I was unique tonight and then a yinzer showed up.


  96. 96 | November 30, 2012 9:32 pm

    Put the universities on the hook. Burn.


  97. citizen_q
    97 | November 30, 2012 9:33 pm

    @ Calo:
    Can’t say, but it is a good break from the police dramas that my wife likes to watch.

    Right now we are debating which of my sisters in-law are most like Lucy.

    My vote is for her sister that converted to islam and is probably putting a fatwa out on me for daring disagree with her yesterday when she tried to say life is just hunky dory for Jews living in islamic lands.

    My wife said her sisters used to say she was most like Lucy. I told her I just did not see it that way and won a smile.


  98. Lily
    98 | November 30, 2012 9:34 pm

    @ Calo:

    Very high-brow here. I’m in my homeless clothes with my socks and glasses on. ;)
    Not eating anything though. ;)


  99. coldwarrior
    99 | November 30, 2012 9:34 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    left over Chinese food and pj’s are on my radar too.
    Darn, here I was thinking I was unique tonight and then a yinzer showed up.

    :lol:

    those yinzers can really wreck the joint.


  100. Calo
    100 | November 30, 2012 9:35 pm

    @ Zimriel:
    It would be nice to see that bubble burst rather quickly.

    Of course, I have rather selfish reasons to hope it will.


  101. Lily
    101 | November 30, 2012 9:36 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Oh crime shows…yep I wait till hubby goes to bed to watch those…I don’t want to torture the poor man. ;)


  102. citizen_q
    102 | November 30, 2012 9:38 pm

    @ Lily:
    :-)


  103. Calo
    103 | November 30, 2012 9:41 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Yes, you win. She is most like Lucy.

    May I offer you a roll of Peanuts Christmas Gift Wrap as your prize?


  104. citizen_q
    104 | November 30, 2012 9:42 pm

    @ Lily:
    It’s ok. Some of them I can get into. I like to kibitz on their weapons choices and tactics. Though I must be getting old, I can often do without the gore.


  105. Lily
    105 | November 30, 2012 9:42 pm

    Don’t know what the big deal is..but have been wondering what was inked on his arms…

    Writer defends tattoo criticism of QB

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/san-francisco-49ers-qb-colin-kaepernick-tattoos-writer-column-paints-as-a-bad-guy-113012


  106. Alberta Oil Peon
    106 | November 30, 2012 9:44 pm

    Well, you have a problem with delinquent and defaulted student loans, because you have a problem with too damn many kids going to college to take courses that don’t have a hope in Hell of landing them in a job that pays enough to enable them to service the loan. I really doubt there are too many M.D.’s or (employed)lawyers defaulting on their student loans. But the precious flowers with their PhD.’s in sociology or Transgendered Eskimo Poetry are buried face down in their loans, and their part-time barista job at Starbucks ain’t going to help.

    As a practical matter, these loans are going to default, whether you want them to or not.

    My suggestion: forgive the loans in cases where no rational enterprise can be expected to hire the graduate, but with the proviso that the graduate surrender the sheepskin, and be prohibited from claiming ownership of a degree. And any college credit for courses completed would similarly be void. And if the student wants to start college over and take something worthwhile, they have to do it on their nickel. No further loans. Ever.

    And the government should consider a class-action suit against universities for having run a racket, peddling worthless degrees for top dollar to vulnerable children. It really is a con game.

    Now I certainly don’t expect the Dems to step up to the plate on this one.


  107. Lily
    107 | November 30, 2012 9:45 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Oh I don’t like the gore at all…but I do like the true crime shows. Interesting from a psychology point of view but a lot of the times you aren’t getting the whole story concerning the crime on TV.


  108. citizen_q
    108 | November 30, 2012 9:46 pm

    @ Calo:
    Sounds good! My wife and father in-law would both like that!


  109. Lily
    109 | November 30, 2012 9:49 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It’s ok. Some of them I can get into. I like to kibitz on their weapons choices and tactics. Though I must be getting old, I can often do without the gore.

    My son is one (deputy) and he hates those shows. About the only crime show he watches is Disappeared.


  110. Lily
    110 | November 30, 2012 9:51 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    I really can’t disagree with anything you have written here. We are going to have a problem with jobs concerning the Trades.


  111. Calo
    111 | November 30, 2012 9:54 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Do not ask me why I know this stuff.


  112. citizen_q
    112 | November 30, 2012 9:56 pm

    @ Lily:
    My wife is the same way. Though she likes Bones, that is big on gore, and Criminal Minds which can be quite graphic.

    We’ve finished the Charlie Brown show, and am watching Elementary. Crime for her and an older Lucy Liu for me……. I am baaad!


  113. citizen_q
    113 | November 30, 2012 9:58 pm

    @ Lily:
    I can imagine why, on a least a couple of levels. The first probably being the utter disconnect with reality how things actually work.


  114. Lily
    114 | November 30, 2012 9:59 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Oh for shame!!!! My, my, my! 8-)


  115. Lily
    115 | November 30, 2012 10:00 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I can imagine why, on a least a couple of levels. The first probably being the utter disconnect with reality how things actually work.

    Yep and he says he sees enough at work.


  116. Lily
    116 | November 30, 2012 10:01 pm

    @ Calo:

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


  117. citizen_q
    117 | November 30, 2012 10:01 pm

    @ Calo:
    Neat!

    Can’t let the wife see the snoopy figurines. She collects them. We have a veritable army of them.


  118. Lily
    118 | November 30, 2012 10:03 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I can imagine why, on a least a couple of levels. The first probably being the utter disconnect with reality how things actually work.

    Plus he can really go on a rant about those shows too….dear heavens.


  119. citizen_q
    119 | November 30, 2012 10:07 pm

    @ Lily:
    That was my second thought.

    My wife likes medical shows. I have to draw the line there. Having been involved in a horrific car accident when I was 13 caused by drunk driver where I lost my father and spent several months in the hospital myself. I just don’t want to watch ER style shows. Thank heaven for DVRs.


  120. Lily
    120 | November 30, 2012 10:09 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I don’t like medical shows…at all.
    /am so sorry to hear that about the accident. That’s terrible.


  121. Calo
    121 | November 30, 2012 10:11 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Most of the ER shows are crap too. There is not too much that is realistic about the drama on there. I just end up yelling at a TV screen while watching them, so now I don’t.

    *I am not the crazy woman in your neighborhood*


  122. huckfunn
    122 | November 30, 2012 10:13 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    Do not ask me why I know this stuff.

    :wink:


  123. Lily
    123 | November 30, 2012 10:13 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    A really, really good crime show that has tons of surprises and was loosely based on a group of cops in Los Angeles….

    The Shield

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286486/


  124. Lily
    124 | November 30, 2012 10:14 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    Most of the ER shows are crap too. There is not too much that is realistic about the drama on there. I just end up yelling at a TV screen while watching them, so now I don’t.
    *I am not the crazy woman in your neighborhood*

    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    /I think I have that title. :shock:


  125. Calo
    125 | November 30, 2012 10:14 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Do not make me hit you with a roll of Peanuts wrapping paper, Huck.


  126. 126 | November 30, 2012 10:16 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Zimriel:
    It would be nice to see that bubble burst rather quickly.
    Of course, I have rather selfish reasons to hope it will.

    The sooner any bubble bursts, the LESS harm it ends up doing, and the likelier the recovery.

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    My wife is the same way. Though she likes Bones, that is big on gore, and Criminal Minds which can be quite graphic.
    We’ve finished the Charlie Brown show, and am watching Elementary. Crime for her and an older Lucy Liu for me……. I am baaad!

    My husband watches Criminal Minds and Cold Case. Sometimes I tell him I don’t want to watch bloody stuff when I am trying to sleep. It does not give me good dreams.


  127. Calo
    127 | November 30, 2012 10:17 pm

    @ Lily:
    Yes, you might just have that title, dressing up like a homeless woman, posting Southern secession screed and claiming your heart is acting all up. :lol:


  128. 128 | November 30, 2012 10:18 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    Makes sense to me.

    There are also a lot of people who take loans, start school, can’t hack it (or maybe just don’t have enough smarts to get any benefit out of it), drop out, and owe money they can’t pay back.

    I remember when it was pretty tough to get into college. It still should be that way. It’s just cruel to admit people who don’t have a hope in Hell of getting through the classes.


  129. huckfunn
    129 | November 30, 2012 10:19 pm

    @ Calo:
    :grin:


  130. Lily
    130 | November 30, 2012 10:19 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I don’t watch those…but the crime shows I do watch don’t bother my dreams.. I must be immune to it; from having dreams about it.
    I did have a really really bad dream about one of my renters woke me up cold and sweaty in the middle of the night…then wrote a short story about it.


  131. citizen_q
    131 | November 30, 2012 10:20 pm

    @ Lily:
    Thank you

    It is there, but I do try to not fixate upon it, otherwise I am at a loss for words.


  132. Lily
    132 | November 30, 2012 10:21 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yes, you might just have that title, dressing up like a homeless woman, posting Southern secession screed and claiming your heart is acting all up.

    LOL LOL LOL…. why Bless your heart Calo your on to me! LOL!


  133. Lily
    133 | November 30, 2012 10:22 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Understand completely.


  134. 134 | November 30, 2012 10:23 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    I really can’t disagree with anything you have written here. We are going to have a problem with jobs concerning the Trades.

    One problem w/ those is that they will NOT hire anybody over 55, particularly women, even when said person is eminently qualified. I tried to get a job installing network hardware. It involved crawling under buildings (no problem for me because I am not a big person) and climbing ladders (carrying some tools & networking hardware, no big deal). I could have done it without much effort. But the head honcho had some phobia himself of going under bldgs and climbing ladders, and he couldn’t picture a hard-working woman over 55 being willing and able to do the same. So I didn’t get the job. :(


  135. Calo
    135 | November 30, 2012 10:25 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    I’ll be in Houston on Tuesday at around 1230 if you need another scout for the NRA meetup.

    Or, Monday late afternoon too.


  136. citizen_q
    136 | November 30, 2012 10:25 pm

    @ Calo:I fail to understand the how shall I say, artistic license taken in many shows.


  137. citizen_q
    137 | November 30, 2012 10:28 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    LOL! I nap in my easy chair all the same, more or less, but I am with you I’d rather not watch heavy violence just before bed.


  138. Lily
    138 | November 30, 2012 10:28 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Sorry to hear that.


  139. 139 | November 30, 2012 10:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    I don’t watch those…but the crime shows I do watch don’t bother my dreams.. I must be immune to it; from having dreams about it.
    I did have a really really bad dream about one of my renters woke me up cold and sweaty in the middle of the night…then wrote a short story about it.

    LOL…good way to deal with that!

    Hope your medical issues can be resolved easily.

    I have my own issues w/ unreliable heart rate. Cardiologist says I need a stress test. Internist wants me to get a 24 hour heart monitor. I don’t have insurance to afford either one, and if I stay in the US, it doesn’t look as though I ever will.

    Whenever I get a heart flutter I make myself cough and that seems to reset it. It doesn’t happen all that often, but it’s worrisome when it does. Happened earlier today.

    Before the Obamaconomy I could have gotten a job or even a consulting project w/ benefits & I could have gotten this taken care of. Now, not so much.

    The whole point of “Obamacare” is to kill off older white people.


  140. Calo
    140 | November 30, 2012 10:32 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Meh! It makes for a good story line.

    I’m not trying to change the culture of TV – we have just got to figure out a way to get Right’s message out on Prime Time.


  141. Lily
    141 | November 30, 2012 10:34 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Calo:I fail to understand the how shall I say, artistic license taken in many shows.

    Sometimes I wonder why they don’t go with the real deal. Because really truth is stranger than fiction.
    But then again when you are writing something you do take some truth and then blow it out of the water to make it more interesting. Say you see a bug crawling on the window. Dull. Now said bug is an odd color overly large and is eating through your screen and looks like it can and will break through your window..your frozen. You don’t know what to do..then you go to the front door and then you see the real picture everywhere there these huge bugs..you slam the door. The lights go out. Dear God …they’ve eaten through the utility lines…

    See that’s how you blow it up! ;) When in reality all you saw was a June bug …


  142. Lily
    142 | November 30, 2012 10:37 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Thanks I hope my heart issue goes okay. I’m just praying I don’t have another spell. More than a heart flutter it’s like an earth-quake in my chest that last for a couple of hours.


  143. citizen_q
    143 | November 30, 2012 10:39 pm

    @ Calo:
    I wonder if what Glen Beck did with The Blaze is the wave of the future for TV.

    If I were Romney / GOP, I would have created something similar for the election.


  144. Calo
    144 | November 30, 2012 10:39 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Whenever I get a heart flutter I make myself cough and that seems to reset it. It doesn’t happen all that often, but it’s worrisome when it does. Happened earlier today.

    Yes, there is a name for this – I am drawing a blank here tonight.

    But, you are correct, the cough resets the electrical system of the heart when it goes awry in certain cases.

    CW??? A little help.


  145. citizen_q
    145 | November 30, 2012 10:42 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Sometimes I wonder why they don’t go with the real deal. Because really truth is stranger than fiction.

    Same here.


  146. brookly red
    146 | November 30, 2012 10:49 pm

    Calo wrote:

    he cough resets the electrical system of the heart when it goes awry in certain cases.

    Cardiac Arrhythmia


  147. Calo
    147 | November 30, 2012 10:51 pm

    @ brookly red:
    LBBB vs RBBB? SVT vs 2nd degree type II?


  148. brookly red
    148 | November 30, 2012 10:53 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    LBBB vs RBBB? SVT vs 2nd degree type II?

    more likely the result of reading a trashy novel.


  149. brookly red
    149 | November 30, 2012 10:58 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    LBBB vs RBBB? SVT vs 2nd degree type II?

    more likely the result of reading a trashy novel.

    no but seriously, I know what it is I have no idea how it’s treated…


  150. citizen_q
    150 | November 30, 2012 10:58 pm

    Good night all!


  151. huckfunn
    151 | November 30, 2012 11:01 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    I’ll be in Houston on Tuesday at around 1230 if you need another scout for the NRA meetup.

    Or, Monday late afternoon too.

    Unfortunately, I found out yesterday afternoon that the deal is off. It was supposed to be a fairly good-sized acquisition of a group of wells up in the Panhandle and I was going to be on the due diligence team. The buyer balked and the deal is dead. I was really looking forward to it… and the paychecks. :sad:


  152. Calo
    152 | November 30, 2012 11:02 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I know, I keep going back to Vasovagal Response in my mind , but I know that is not what I am looking for.


  153. Calo
    153 | November 30, 2012 11:06 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    @ huckfunn:
    I just need a few weeks and maybe you could hook me and Dolphin up to look around? I don’t have her addy.


  154. brookly red
    154 | November 30, 2012 11:11 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ Calo:

    I am by no means a doctor but I do know that holding ones hands above ones head can relieve the symptom in some people


  155. huckfunn
    155 | November 30, 2012 11:14 pm

    @ Calo:
    You got mail.


  156. Calo
    156 | November 30, 2012 11:18 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Thanks Huck.

    I need a few weeks… I gotta earn a living right now.


  157. huckfunn
    157 | November 30, 2012 11:22 pm

    Calo wrote:

    I need a few weeks… I gotta earn a living right now.

    I understand. I probably won’t put the NRA thread up until after Christmas.


  158. huckfunn
    158 | November 30, 2012 11:40 pm

    Well, dangit. Stanford held on and beat UCLA by a FG. And that’s all for me.

    G’nite.


  159. Da_Beerfreak
    159 | December 1, 2012 12:56 am

    Time to turn this into a gun thread :mrgreen:
    Double-barrel 1911 lands ATF approval, importation to begin next year

    Santa if you’re reading this I’ve kind of been good this year. Really. :oops:


  160. 160 | December 1, 2012 2:38 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Time to turn this into a gun thread
    Double-barrel 1911 lands ATF approval, importation to begin next year
    Santa if you’re reading this I’ve kind of been good this year. Really.

    What a waste of perfectly good metal…

    Movie/TV prop.


  161. Da_Beerfreak
    161 | December 1, 2012 3:28 am

    @ Mike C.:
    So what?? It’s covered under the Law of Cool. :lol:


  162. 162 | December 1, 2012 3:47 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    No, a semi-automatic revolver is cool. This is just a paperweight.


  163. Da_Beerfreak
    163 | December 1, 2012 3:58 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    No, a semi-automatic revolver is cool. This is just a paperweight.

    I’m just having some fun with it. What’s really interesting about is that it some how got ATF approval for import and sale in the US. That makes one wonder…


  164. 164 | December 1, 2012 4:26 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I rather imagine the BATFE figured sales would be miniscule… After all, you could remove a left and a right grip and duct-tape two 1911s together and get pretty much the same thing. But I’m sure we’ll see some super-hero, flying through the air with one of these things in each hand (held sideways, of course) taking out a company of bad guys. Bet he doesn’t have to reload them, either.


  165. 165 | December 1, 2012 5:05 am

    And actually, the BATFE ruling isn’t surprising, either. Contrary to the assertion in that article, this thing fires only one round per trigger pull. It just has two triggers in close proximity, no different from an old-fashioned double trigger double-barreled shotgun. One great “feature” is that if you manage to only pull one trigger, it will not only eject the empty case from the side that fired, but also a perfectly good unfired round from the other side. A great addition to your collection, assuming your collection is of “stupid ideas” firearms.


  166. Da_Beerfreak
    166 | December 1, 2012 5:36 am

    @ Mike C.:
    :grin: I sure wouldn’t trade my Browning for one. :wink:


  167. dwells38
    167 | December 1, 2012 5:47 am

    OK here’s my working plan for the foreseeable future. I work until I can’t which means I do a good job in my current position until the youngsters trump up some disagreement in procedure as me being senile :) which is probably not too far off. Then they downsize me and I get free assistance for a few years whereby I drink gin all day long. By then menial unskilled labor will be unionized and entrenched and I get my low skill, low effort job at Walmart or Costco or whatever local fast food dump. My retirement money is merely catfood money since the 100′s of thousands I saved are worth little in the new economy and I spend my nights in front of the boob tube with a shotgun in my lap waiting for the local thugs who have noticed my apparent affluence and self sufficiency from the old white dude days and figure I’m a prime target. How sad our generation has gone from comfortable retirement to retirement is not an option to screw retirement, I’m taking as many out with me as possible. But that’s pretty much what’s happening.


  168. 168 | December 1, 2012 6:03 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I sure wouldn’t trade my Browning for one.

    Or my Beretta 92 FS…


  169. dwells38
    169 | December 1, 2012 6:05 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    I had a student loan, over 20 years ago. After I got out of the Army. They totaled $4K. I was working and contributing to my family financially, and that was just enough for me to barely scrape by. I paid it off early.
    Sad to say, I don’t remember the details more than the amount, and I paid it off early. I did not and still don’t like being in debt.

    I believe mine was around $2500. My folks cosigned and I recall them being rather astounded that I paid it all off. I think parental cosignage is rather common and that’s what happens to a lot of these loans. The parents become on the hook for repayment.


  170. dwells38
    170 | December 1, 2012 6:30 am

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    This seems relevant. Peter Schiff interviews NO bar district denezins on why a college degree is worthless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpwAOHJsxg&feature=player_embedded


  171. 171 | December 1, 2012 7:14 am

    @ dwells38:

    College degrees aren’t worthless if you chose a field where there are actually jobs. A BSc in Petroleum Engineering from a good state school can earn you beacoup bucks, as one example.


  172. waldensianspirit
    172 | December 1, 2012 7:18 am

    @ dwells38:
    Most of those paid the way for real students


  173. 173 | December 1, 2012 7:27 am

    dwells38 wrote:

    OK here’s my working plan for the foreseeable future. I work until I can’t which means I do a good job in my current position until the youngsters trump up some disagreement in procedure as me being senile which is probably not too far off. Then they downsize me and I get free assistance for a few years whereby I drink gin all day long. By then menial unskilled labor will be unionized and entrenched and I get my low skill, low effort job at Walmart or Costco or whatever local fast food dump. My retirement money is merely catfood money since the 100′s of thousands I saved are worth little in the new economy and I spend my nights in front of the boob tube with a shotgun in my lap waiting for the local thugs who have noticed my apparent affluence and self sufficiency from the old white dude days and figure I’m a prime target. How sad our generation has gone from comfortable retirement to retirement is not an option to screw retirement, I’m taking as many out with me as possible. But that’s pretty much what’s happening.

    That’s a pretty realistic, though dystopian thumbnail sketch of the future and yes, it’s sad as hell. I started a version of that story nearly ten years ago when I was 50, but It’ll likely get worse with time.


  174. 174 | December 1, 2012 7:29 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ dwells38:

    College degrees aren’t worthless if you chose a field where there are actually jobs. A BSc in Petroleum Engineering from a good state school can earn you beacoup bucks, as one example.

    So, I guess you’re not high on the whole Masters in Gender Studies gig, eh? :D v


  175. 175 | December 1, 2012 7:37 am

    NASA warns Mayan apocalypse stories pose threat to frightened children and suicidal teenagers

    Speaking of downsizing, if NASA has time for this BS, perhaps we could do some trimming there…..right after we fire that whole group that’s doing the Muslim outreach.


  176. 176 | December 1, 2012 7:49 am

    @ MacDuff:

    What the hell is NASA worrying about this for?


  177. 177 | December 1, 2012 7:56 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    What the hell is NASA worrying about this for?

    Hell if I know. These agencies inevitably lose focus on their actual responsibilities. Frankly, I can’t imagine why anyone authoritative in the field of either Mayan archeology or childhood/adolescent trauma is even working for NASA.


  178. 178 | December 1, 2012 8:07 am

    Study: American Households Hit 43-Year Low In Net Worth

    Wow, does this mean Obama will stop blaming Bush and start blaming Nixon?


  179. 179 | December 1, 2012 8:18 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I’ll stick with my old fashioned 1911, thankyouverymuch!


  180. 180 | December 1, 2012 8:25 am

    @ MacDuff:

    So, I guess you’re not high on the whole Masters in Gender Studies gig, eh?

    Well see, students (and I use the term loosely) in such fields KNOW there are jobs in that field. After all, there’s one standing right in front of them in the classroom. What they don’t know is those are the ONLY jobs in such worthless fields, and their odds of landing one are vanishingly small.

    Meanwhile, here’s a little F-35B video to cheer you up for the weekend…

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki86x1WKPmE


  181. 181 | December 1, 2012 8:27 am

    Crap. Trust me, it’s there.


  182. 182 | December 1, 2012 8:28 am

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki86x1WKPmE


  183. 183 | December 1, 2012 8:29 am

    That’s better…


  184. 184 | December 1, 2012 9:05 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Very, very nice! I sat here grinning like an idiot!


  185. unclassifiable
    185 | December 1, 2012 10:14 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Darn that will look real nice with a Republic of Texas insignia on it:)


  186. unclassifiable
    186 | December 1, 2012 10:24 am

    @ MacDuff:
    @ dwells38:

    I don’t know why (I thought it was just “bad thinking”) but about 15 years ago I got to thinking that the government proscribed retirement schemes somehow just weren’t going to be there when I get to that age. I still have them doing their paycheck confiscation but I pretty much determined it will be the traditional “work until I can’t” for me.


  187. 187 | December 1, 2012 8:47 pm

    my feelings on student loans can be summed up this way six months after i left the nut house (real one not local psych ward) i answered a newspaper add this is two months after being awarded ssi and appointed a payee i signed on the line to go to a tech school my 1500 dollar loan is up to 7k and since obama has been in i have had my disability attached at almost 20 percent several times in other words i was talked into a student loan while not even competent to handle my own ssi however i took computer programming not wimins studies or art history but i in the spirit of kramer and ralph cramden i will get ahead with my latest deal and i can just pay these idiots off


  188. yenta-fada
    188 | December 1, 2012 9:40 pm

    @ jimmytheclaw:

    I guess everybody thinks they are upper middle class because they have a bunch of credit cards. *shrug*


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