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Currently American foreign policy can be summed up as “Please don’t kill us”

by Speranza ( 104 Comments › )
Filed under History at November 30th, 2012 - 12:00 pm

It is too bad that Americans pay little attention to foreign affairs and when they do it is only because we are being reactive to attacks.

by Daniel Greenfield

The United States of America has a State Department, it has row after row of people who speak badly every language from Arabic to Swahili badly, and it has rich donors who take on the task of acting as ambassadors to some foreign country every four to eight years. There are think-tanks, actual tanks and institutes dedicated to turning out papers on foreign policy. And despite all this, or perhaps because of all this, the country still has no foreign policy.

 

 

Americans are by nature isolationist. American leaders, since Woodrow Wilson dumped ashes from his pipe on the Oval Office carpets and dumped America into the international game of empires, are bent on getting involved in world politics. Unfortunately everything they know about world politics comes from the back of cereal boxes. And yes that includes our current precious genius who comes to us from eating dog and living the life of a privileged member of Indonesia’s upper classes, but knows almost as little about the world outside Chicago, as he does about economics.

The big problem with American foreign policy is that there isn’t one. Our current foreign policy can be boiled down to three words. “Don’t Hate Us.” The current administration has introduced an innovative fourth word. “Please.”

It’s a long way from a century ago when American leaders still had no foreign policy, besides warning European countries to stay out of their hemisphere, but had begun to think that being involved in the affairs of other countries was a prerequisite for global good citizenship.

Theodore Roosevelt won a Nobel Prize for trying to get the Russians and Japanese to end a disastrous war in which the Japanese had the suicide determination and the Russians had the machine guns, but barely broke even.

Roosevelt, like many of his successors, had no true foreign policy beyond articulating American greatness on the world stage. But the deeper those successors involved themselves in international politics, the more they came to see American greatness as the obstacle, not the point. The more the United States became involved in organizing global alliances to hold back one threat or another, the more that same national greatness began to be seen as an obstacle to maximizing those alliances.

Manifest destiny

A hundred years ago, American presidents thought that their country should be a world power because of the manifest destiny of its national greatness. A century later they were minimizing that national greatness to preserve world power status.

Roosevelt’s “Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead” became “Let’s Pull Together” and “Don’t Hate Us” during the Cold War. And today the motto, in a world where a whole lot of people want to do it, is, “Please Don’t Kill Us.”

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CVE (Countering Violent Extremism) through outreach to Muslims

CVE (Countering Violent Extremism) through outreach to Muslims is our foreign policy and like global warming and gay rights, it encompasses every single area of our government, to the absurd extent that NASA’s top priority under the dog-eater-in-chief was designated as improving Muslim self-esteem. NASA’s former priority of boosting American self-esteem was no longer appropriate because that would just make people hate us even more and make us act in such a way that they would hate us.

Americans and American leaders now both want the same thing. To be left alone. But American leaders remain convinced that the best way to be left alone is to appease those who might want to attack their country by minimizing national power and contributing more lunch money to their international cause of free lunches.

America is often accused of bullying other nations, but our policies are not those of a bully, they are those of his victim cowering in the corner with broken glasses and smeared tears, one hand extended with his crumpled up lunch money inside. Our lunch money total comes into the many billions, but as our bullies and their advocates remind us, we’re rich enough to be able to afford it.

The kid in the corner has been bullied enough that his only policy is avoiding another incident. That is our foreign policy, driven by CVE or Here’s Some More Halal Lunch Money, finding ways of getting the bullies to leave us alone. Even the more militant elements of our military campaign are defensive, ripe with ways to convince the bullies to leave us alone, using drones to minimize civilian casualties and nation building exercises to turn our bullies into friendly peaceloving countries.

Reactive foreign policies are a recipe for defeat, but America has never had any foreign policy beyond progressive world citizenship and coalition building against global threats. And that has made American into the world’s social worker and the world’s policeman for so long that it has hardly any sense of what it might want for itself, as a country.

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The United States has been suckered into playing the same game as Israel. The impossible game of winning wars without alienating anyone. And that game is played by not winning wars and being more hated than if they had won all those wars. If we are forced to fight because we are hated, then the only way to avoid fighting is not be hated which means fighting just enough to survive, but not enough to earn us any more than the minimum amount of hate balanced against the minimum amount of survival. And if we win, maybe they’ll leave us alone. If they don’t, we’ll fight back even less.

Cold War, Islamic terrorism

During the Cold War the United States sacrificed its economy, its trade balance and its manufacturing sector to score coalition points and contain Communism. With Communism defeated and capitalism thriving in Russia and China, the United States is now stripping away civil liberties to counter Islamic terrorism. But that doesn’t just mean strip searches in airports, it means outlawing anything that offends Muslims. And if we survive that, and the Muslim world becomes a mecca of free speech, then we’ll have won yet another Pyrrhic victory at our own expense.

Countering external threats is a legitimate foreign policy interest, but it cannot be the only interest. That way leads to a purely reactive foreign policy and down the garden path to Stockholm Syndrome politics that accept responsibility for the actions of an aggressor to maintain the illusion of control over his actions. Our leaders, the ones who eat dogs and the ones who just pose for photos with them, are already there. If we reach European critical velocity, then we’ll be there as an entire nation, not just members of our chattering and spending classes.

America needs a foreign policy that is bigger than its defensive needs but smaller than progressive ambitions of global citizenship. It is a foreign policy that cannot be defensive or altruistic, but that actually resurrects the long buried question of American interests, rather than American obligations or needs. And to get there, the country’s policymakers have to get in touch with their 19th Century selves and stop asking what America is obligated to do for the world or what it desperately needs from the world, but what it would like to do with the world.

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A foreign policy is assertive. It seeks to gain things, rather than to minimize losing things. It is not as concerned with the feelings of the world, as it is with the feelings of its own citizens. To the question of what it wants, it does not answer with the time-honored response of Miss America contestants, to make the world a better place, but rather it answers to make America better, bigger, richer and stronger. That answer is not idealistic, it is realistic. It is how other countries expect us to think and it is how they react no matter how altruistic our policies may be.

American foreign policy needs goals and horizons to gain definition. It needs to want something more than a way to avert the next big explosion or to feed the hungry people of Warlordistan to have a foreign policy that is based on substance, rather than cobwebs of fears and dreams. It needs to stand not for a better world, but for a better, stronger and richer America.

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104 Responses to “Currently American foreign policy can be summed up as “Please don’t kill us””
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  1. 1 | November 30, 2012 12:21 pm

    As we are seeing with Obama and the Republican House, Appeasement never works. Those appeased simply demand more, as Obama has in the negiotiations over the Fiscal Cliff. I don’t think it has even entered Boehner’s head that Obama sees going over the Cliff and blaming the Republicans as a win. Even more, Obama sees it as revenge on the electorate that spurned him in 2010. I have no doubt that Obama wants his revenge. He has told us as much many times.


  2. texasam7
    2 | November 30, 2012 12:26 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    That’s exactly how terrorists operate. Ramp up the casualties and YOU get blamed for the collateral damage.


  3. bluliner10
    3 | November 30, 2012 12:27 pm

    Manifest Destiny code for imperialism…subject the reds, the browns and the yellows…


  4. theoutsider
    4 | November 30, 2012 12:33 pm

    Speranza, If you and me and Rodan could work out a foreign policy, it would be pretty good.


  5. Prebanned
    5 | November 30, 2012 12:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    As we are seeing with Obama and the Republican House, Appeasement never works. Those appeased simply demand more, as Obama has in the negiotiations over the Fiscal Cliff. I don’t think it has even entered Boehner’s head that Obama sees going over the Cliff and blaming the Republicans as a win. Even more, Obama sees it as revenge on the electorate that spurned him in 2010. I have no doubt that Obama wants his revenge. He has told us as much many times.

    What if the Fiscal cliff is the best we can do?
    Boehner is an idiot to have agreed to it in the first place.


  6. Prebanned
    6 | November 30, 2012 12:37 pm

    What foreign aid should be, “look, if you do what we want, we will not give your enemies weapons”.


  7. bluliner10
    7 | November 30, 2012 12:40 pm

    Sure would be nice not to have to rely on oil from some shithole run by shitheads


  8. lobo91
    8 | November 30, 2012 12:42 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Sure would be nice not to have to rely on oil from some shithole run by shitheads

    Just imagine if we could produce oil here at home…


  9. 9 | November 30, 2012 12:48 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    Boehner is an idiot to have agreed to it in the first place.

    Absolutely. He gave the Democrats a way to gut the military without having to vote on it. He is either a blithering idiot or he wants the Democrats to win. Neither of those is encouraging.


  10. 10 | November 30, 2012 12:53 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I find it more than a little annoying that whenever Jerk the Wonder Prez mentions “dependence on foreign oil” no one answers with “so why are you thwarting every effort to drill for our own oil?”

    It’s right up there with “the failed policies of the last 8 years” without enumerating what precise policies he’s referring to.


  11. 11 | November 30, 2012 1:00 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Sure would be nice not to have to rely on oil from some shithole run by shitheads

    The Democrats and GOP Establishment love Arab money. That is why we don’t drill more of our own stuff.


  12. 12 | November 30, 2012 1:03 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    Have you seen what China is now doing?

    I am not a huge interventionist, But the Philippines and Japan are our allies. We should tell China to back off. In the case opf the Filipinos, they are our blood brothers who fought by our side in WWII.


  13. 13 | November 30, 2012 1:06 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The little island of Taiwan is doomed.


  14. waldensianspirit
    14 | November 30, 2012 1:06 pm

    They get the House Repubs to cave and raise taxes the proggies know they’ve destroyed them like they did Bush senior


  15. waldensianspirit
    15 | November 30, 2012 1:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    After all dealing with Obama is dealing in foreign affairs no matter birth place. He is foreign to America and her health


  16. bluliner10
    16 | November 30, 2012 1:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:
    Sure would be nice not to have to rely on oil from some shithole run by shitheads
    The Democrats and GOP Establishment love Arab money. That is why we don’t drill more of our own stuff.

    True dat. Sad part is how many bow, kiss the ring and lower themselves to the Arab desires to keep getting it. Guess it fits the analogy of the school house bully.


  17. 17 | November 30, 2012 1:10 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The way things are going, China will probably buy them.


  18. bluliner10
    18 | November 30, 2012 1:11 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I would gladly die for the sun and 3 stars. The Philippines and the Japanese are as good allies as the Brits and Aussies.


  19. waldensianspirit
    19 | November 30, 2012 1:12 pm

    @ Rodan:
    That will be part of the deal when the fed becomes completely broke. That and I’ll probably have to get a green card to work in the Pennsylvania province of China


  20. 20 | November 30, 2012 1:14 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I would gladly die for the sun and 3 stars. The Philippines and the Japanese are as good allies as the Brits and Aussies.

    They are good people and don’t deserve to be bullied. Where I grew up in Woodside, Queens we had Little Manilla. Now granted as a Hispanic I felt close cultural kinship with the Filipinos. But leaving that aside, they are just great people. We should not abandon them to the Chinese. It would be so wrong.


  21. 21 | November 30, 2012 1:14 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    That will be part of the deal when the fed becomes completely broke. That and I’ll probably have to get a green card to work in the Pennsylvania province of China

    I wish you were joking.


  22. waldensianspirit
    22 | November 30, 2012 1:21 pm

    Obama’s negotiators also sought the ability to raise the nation’s borrowing limit unilaterally.

    The only thing Obama cares about and his most easy way to pull down the USA.

    Why are people so dumb to let him?


  23. 23 | November 30, 2012 1:26 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Obama can’t wait for the evil country of America, so much the source of all the world’s problems, to become a bankrupt third-world nation. It’s only fair we should suffer like we’ve made the rest of the world suffer.


  24. 24 | November 30, 2012 1:29 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    That’s how he thinks.


  25. 25 | November 30, 2012 1:30 pm

    In other news, Jerk the Wonder Prez -- who essentially believes he should be allowed the powers of a dictator, says he’s keeping a “naughty and nice list” regarding Congress.

    Let me explain something to you, asshole. They are a CO-EQUAL branch of government. One of the biggest mistakes they ever did was run over to the White House whenever you “summoned” them and didn’t basically tell your inexperienced ass to pound sand. It’s a damn pity Justice Scalia didn’t kick your whiney butt a few times around Constitution Avenue when you thought you should scold them during the SOTU address.

    You aren’t Chavez and you aren’t Fidel. What you are is a narcissic jerk.


  26. waldensianspirit
  27. 27 | November 30, 2012 1:43 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    To borrow a phrase from horse racing

    GO BEBE GO!!


  28. Prebanned
    28 | November 30, 2012 2:05 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Are you kidding me?
    You killed the thread with that post???///


  29. 29 | November 30, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Apparently so…someone needs to tell Lily there’s a new threadkiller in town.


  30. AZfederalist
    30 | November 30, 2012 2:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Just imagine if we could produce oil here at home…

    Now that’s just crazy talk. /s


  31. yenta-fada
    31 | November 30, 2012 2:37 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Apparently so…someone needs to tell Lily there’s a new threadkiller in town.

    http://lh4.ggpht.com/-5l9XsZN-b4Y/ULdLgjhatjI/AAAAAAAAtw8/D_Wh3x3EojA/s1600-h/breitbart%25255B2%25255D.jpg


  32. AZfederalist
    32 | November 30, 2012 2:37 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I find it more than a little annoying that whenever Jerk the Wonder Prez mentions “dependence on foreign oil” no one answers with “so why are you thwarting every effort to drill for our own oil?”

    What, you expect to MSM to actually question one from their party? We are at the point that the MSM and the left wing of the democrat party are one and the same entity. The MSM is simply the media arm of the democrat party, serving as apologists and spokesmen for the democrats. It’s not even trying to hide that fact anymore. When you have the supposed debate “moderator” during the presidential debates actually engaging in the debate on the democrat candidate’s side, it’s gone from subtle propaganda arm to out and out public relations arm of the party.


  33. 33 | November 30, 2012 2:39 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Nothing pisses the Mohammedans off more than Jews being in their ancestral lands. Nothing.


  34. yenta-fada
    34 | November 30, 2012 2:39 pm

    Today’s Sultan Knish on the ‘Working Class & the Government Class’.
    He nails it.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/the-working-class-and-the-government-class/


  35. yenta-fada
    35 | November 30, 2012 2:43 pm

    Meantime, India and China forge closer ties:

    While India and China continue to disagree over their shared border, and the role of both countries in the South China Sea, on the economic front, the two countries are making strides.

    On Monday afternoon, during a “strategic dialogue” held in New Delhi, representatives of the two countries signed seven economic cooperation agreements worth $5.2 billion, their second such dialogue in as many years.

    The countries agreed to cooperate in renewable energy, information technology, steel manufacturing and electric transmission lines. The delegations also signed four memorandums of understanding related to energy efficiency, railroads, information technology and their intent to conducting joint studies on “issues of mutual interest.”

    The Indian delegation was headed by Montek Singh Ahluwalia, deputy chairman of India’s Planning Commission, while China’s delegation was headed by Zhang Ping, the chairman of the National Development and Reform Commission of China. The Chinese delegation visiting India had 180 delegates, including officials and business executives.

    “The economic growth of India and China is a critical element of the transformation of the global order that is under way,” Mr. Ahluwalia said Monday. “Our ability to influence global decision making will be stronger if we work together.” India can “certainly benefit by studying the Chinese experience in the building of infrastructure and handling of urbanization,” Mr. Ahluwalia added.


  36. Lily
    36 | November 30, 2012 2:45 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I find it more than a little annoying that whenever Jerk the Wonder Prez mentions “dependence on foreign oil” no one answers with “so why are you thwarting every effort to drill for our own oil?”
    It’s right up there with “the failed policies of the last 8 years” without enumerating what precise policies he’s referring to.

    Excatly…whenever the preezy of the united steezy mentions *dependence on forign oil” or anything else concerning that matter. The question is why in the hell did he do everything he could to stop the Canadian pipe-line? This would have created a whole lot of jobs and we would not be as dependent on foreign oil. Not to mention he is refusing to grant leases to drill here? The question is *why*? If he is so concerned with our own country. Obama and his faux halo is one of the worst things to ever happen to the United States and yet he got voted back in. Unbelievable. You would think obama nixing the Canadian pipe-line he would have been one and done..but nope. There are so many things obama has done to this country in the last four years it is mind-boggling that he got re-elected.


  37. Lily
    37 | November 30, 2012 2:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ bluliner10:
    Have you seen what China is now doing?
    I am not a huge interventionist, But the Philippines and Japan are our allies. We should tell China to back off. In the case opf the Filipinos, they are our blood brothers who fought by our side in WWII.

    Really? Do you think obama cares in the least bit? obama’s foreign policy is as bad or if not worse than his domestic policy. LOL. obama and domestic policy now there is a joke.


  38. heysoos
    38 | November 30, 2012 2:48 pm

    FOX should offer to have an interview with BO, Geitner, Boehner and Ryan…get a couple of talking heads to ask them questions and allow themselves to explain their plans…let the voters see who is doing the walk and who is doing the talk….this deficit gig needs to be on front street, every day


  39. Lily
    39 | November 30, 2012 2:57 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Obama’s negotiators also sought the ability to raise the nation’s borrowing limit unilaterally.
    The only thing Obama cares about and his most easy way to pull down the USA.
    Why are people so dumb to let him?

    Another good question why are so many people completely stupid concerning obama? Really I would like to know this…because I don’t find him likable in the least bit. I think he is arrogant as it comes. From the people who did vote for obama the reasons run the gamet and they are dumb reasons too. No easy answer on this question for sure.


  40. darkwords
    40 | November 30, 2012 2:59 pm

    @ 12 Rodan: Chong Guo Ren means Chinese Man and also center of the universe. The Mao revolution displaced the intellectual drive in China with a crass nationalist blue collar thinker. Think all SIEU types. China is full of them. And it’s also full of a lot of people afraid to say the wrong thing or act the wrong way.

    When I was there a lot of people still seldom ever saw a white person. One French TV channel was their only western habit. A few people were still wearing MAO jackets. We’d call them the last of the conservatives here.


  41. 41 | November 30, 2012 3:01 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Considering the public spanking Paul Ryan gave The Little Bummer Boy once, I doubt the Amateur will want to appear on the same show with him any time in the future.

    I love that Mitch McConnell actually LAUGHED involuntarily when Turbo Timmy Geitner presented Obama’s plan for the Fiscal Cliff


  42. 42 | November 30, 2012 3:01 pm

    @ Lily:

    He could care less.


  43. Lily
    43 | November 30, 2012 3:02 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    In other news, Jerk the Wonder Prez — who essentially believes he should be allowed the powers of a dictator, says he’s keeping a “naughty and nice list” regarding Congress.
    Let me explain something to you, asshole. They are a CO-EQUAL branch of government. One of the biggest mistakes they ever did was run over to the White House whenever you “summoned” them and didn’t basically tell your inexperienced ass to pound sand. It’s a damn pity Justice Scalia didn’t kick your whiney butt a few times around Constitution Avenue when you thought you should scold them during the SOTU address.
    You aren’t Chavez and you aren’t Fidel. What you are is a narcissic jerk.

    Was at the hospital yesterday morning picked up a Newsweak mag…to see how thin it was …it’s thin. But I flipped through the pages real quick there was this huge article: THE MAKINGS OF A KING with a full paged pic of obama with a drawn in crown on his head. Didn’t read the article …but it was really out there. We don’t have KINGS HERE!!! Obama believes his own hype and the media’s hype about him.


  44. 44 | November 30, 2012 3:03 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I know China means Chung Guo the center of the Universe. The Chinese are not Communist, they are National Socialists.


  45. Lily
    45 | November 30, 2012 3:03 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Israel Responds To UN Vote Recognizing “Palestine” By Approving Construction Of 3,000 New Homes In West Bank And Jerusalem – Update: Obama Admin Slams Israel…
    Boy, Jews getting houses really pisses Jerk the Wonder Prez off

    Well a lot of things that Jewish people do ticks off the preezy..now doesn’t it? Isn’t he on revenge mode right now?


  46. Lily
    46 | November 30, 2012 3:04 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Apparently so…someone needs to tell Lily there’s a new threadkiller in town.

    Must be some type of virus. 8-)


  47. Lily
    47 | November 30, 2012 3:07 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    FOX should offer to have an interview with BO, Geitner, Boehner and Ryan…get a couple of talking heads to ask them questions and allow themselves to explain their plans…let the voters see who is doing the walk and who is doing the talk….this deficit gig needs to be on front street, every day

    I don’t know about the others but BO will never, ever and mean never, ever go on Fox News. He hates them and makes no bones about it either.


  48. Lily
    48 | November 30, 2012 3:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    He could care less.

    Yep and he shows it in so many ways too.


  49. heysoos
    49 | November 30, 2012 3:10 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Considering the public spanking Paul Ryan gave The Little Bummer Boy once, I doubt the Amateur will want to appear on the same show with him any time in the future.
    I love that Mitch McConnell actually LAUGHED involuntarily when Turbo Timmy Geitner presented Obama’s plan for the Fiscal Cliff

    there are only two options to this media deadlock on BO…relentless exposure (like laughing in the face if his plan), a constant drone for him to explain himself (what plan?…how does it work and what is the expected result?)…ridicule him for his lack of transparency etc…and the other is to maneuver and hope that BO over reaches and creates his own untenable position…so vote present and let it all fall down…taxes do not distinguish between R or D….some call it, ‘let it burn’….I’m beginning to agree


  50. 50 | November 30, 2012 3:11 pm

    @ Lily:

    The God-King. I old everyone about this.


  51. Speranza
    51 | November 30, 2012 3:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The God-King. I told everyone about this.

    He is Baal to me.


  52. heysoos
    52 | November 30, 2012 3:12 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    FOX should offer to have an interview with BO, Geitner, Boehner and Ryan…get a couple of talking heads to ask them questions and allow themselves to explain their plans…let the voters see who is doing the walk and who is doing the talk….this deficit gig needs to be on front street, every day
    I don’t know about the others but BO will never, ever and mean never, ever go on Fox News. He hates them and makes no bones about it either.

    so what… force the issue, as in ask him what he’s afraid of and offer to let the strength of his plan do the lifting….pound away, every day


  53. waldensianspirit
    53 | November 30, 2012 3:12 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Isn’t he on revenge mode right now?

    ‘e’s making lists. Send him a boat load of Choom


  54. Speranza
    54 | November 30, 2012 3:12 pm

    theoutsider wrote:

    Speranza, If you and me and Rodan could work out a foreign policy, it would be pretty good.

    You are probably correct.


  55. Speranza
    55 | November 30, 2012 3:13 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I find it more than a little annoying that whenever Jerk the Wonder Prez mentions “dependence on foreign oil” no one answers with “so why are you thwarting every effort to drill for our own oil?”
    It’s right up there with “the failed policies of the last 8 years” without enumerating what precise policies he’s referring to.

    “Foreign Oil” is he referring to the Saudis? /


  56. heysoos
    56 | November 30, 2012 3:13 pm

    BO hates to be criticised…it’s a weakness, so exploit it…beat him like a rented mule


  57. Lily
    57 | November 30, 2012 3:14 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Again I disagree with this scorched earth policy concerning obama. Really we have to go there again? No we don’t have to do this. Obama will over-reach that is a given. Now Congress needs to grow a damn spine. The let it burn crowd really are all up with obama’s policies because that is what he wants ..to let it burn. And re-shape it in his own image! You want that??????????


  58. Speranza
    58 | November 30, 2012 3:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I am not a huge interventionist, But the Philippines and Japan are our allies. We should tell China to back off. In the case of the Filipinos, they are our blood brothers who fought by our side in WWII.

    Obama will never do that.


  59. Speranza
    59 | November 30, 2012 3:14 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The little island of Taiwan is doomed.

    He has the same sentiment towards Taiwan that he has towards Israel.


  60. heysoos
    60 | November 30, 2012 3:15 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Again I disagree with this scorched earth policy concerning obama. Really we have to go there again? No we don’t have to do this. Obama will over-reach that is a given. Now Congress needs to grow a damn spine. The let it burn crowd really are all up with obama’s policies because that is what he wants ..to let it burn. And re-shape it in his own image! You want that??????????

    I want results…do you have a better idea?


  61. Lily
    61 | November 30, 2012 3:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The God-King. I old everyone about this.

    I have told you I believed you. They aren’t hiding it anymore either. It’s straight in your face. Obama our lord and savior….obama the king, obama the most centrist president evah! Obama the saint. The DNC rejecting God three times and Israel three times should have been a red flag to anyone paying attention. There is nothing good going to come from this..nothing.


  62. Speranza
    62 | November 30, 2012 3:17 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Meantime, India and China forge closer ties:

    While India and China continue to disagree over their shared border, and the role of both countries in the South China Sea, on the economic front, the two countries are making strides.

    Pock-ee-stan will not be pleased.


  63. Lily
    63 | November 30, 2012 3:19 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    FOX should offer to have an interview with BO, Geitner, Boehner and Ryan…get a couple of talking heads to ask them questions and allow themselves to explain their plans…let the voters see who is doing the walk and who is doing the talk….this deficit gig needs to be on front street, every day
    I don’t know about the others but BO will never, ever and mean never, ever go on Fox News. He hates them and makes no bones about it either.
    so what… force the issue, as in ask him what he’s afraid of and offer to let the strength of his plan do the lifting….pound away, every day

    Fox does pound on obama..he just ignores them. For what you want to work you will have to have ALL THE MEDIA forcing obama to explain himself…the rest of the media is basically another arm of the obama administration. It. Is. Never. Going. To. Happen. If Benghazi didn’t do it with all the lies I don’t know what will.


  64. 64 | November 30, 2012 3:21 pm

    I think I’ll go have some Hunan Food today -- I haven’t been to that restaurant in awhile……I only mention this because it’s guaranteed to cause dain bramage in LGF trolls.


  65. Lily
    65 | November 30, 2012 3:22 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Isn’t he on revenge mode right now?
    ‘e’s making lists. Send him a boat load of Choom

    What’s he think he is Santa Claus now? Making lists and checking them twice? Jarrett had said before the election that they were going to go after people who didn’t support obama and obama ran on revenge. This is probably the only things he really meant besides raising taxes…he said both those things and guess what no one believed him! Fools.


  66. Lily
    66 | November 30, 2012 3:23 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    BO hates to be criticised…it’s a weakness, so exploit it…beat him like a rented mule

    How when the media will not do their job…in effect they are basically part of obama’s administration.


  67. Speranza
    67 | November 30, 2012 3:24 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I think I’ll go have some Hunan Food today — I haven’t been to that restaurant in awhile……I only mention this because it’s guaranteed to cause dain bramage in LGF trolls.

    I had my chicken with broccoli and brown rice for lunch (with a side of wonton soup) today.


  68. citizen_q
    68 | November 30, 2012 3:24 pm

    Lily wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    Israel Responds To UN Vote Recognizing “Palestine” By Approving Construction Of 3,000 New Homes In West Bank And Jerusalem – Update: Obama Admin Slams Israel…
    Boy, Jews getting houses really pisses Jerk the Wonder Prez off
    Well a lot of things that Jewish people do ticks off the preezy..now doesn’t it? Isn’t he on revenge mode right now?

    Jews simply living and breathing on this earth ticks off comrade zero and his fellow muzzlimbs. Jews standing up from themselves? Rage.

    In that vein. I hope their lives are filled with rage.


  69. heysoos
    69 | November 30, 2012 3:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    FOX should offer to have an interview with BO, Geitner, Boehner and Ryan…get a couple of talking heads to ask them questions and allow themselves to explain their plans…let the voters see who is doing the walk and who is doing the talk….this deficit gig needs to be on front street, every day
    I don’t know about the others but BO will never, ever and mean never, ever go on Fox News. He hates them and makes no bones about it either.
    so what… force the issue, as in ask him what he’s afraid of and offer to let the strength of his plan do the lifting….pound away, every day
    Fox does pound on obama..he just ignores them. For what you want to work you will have to have ALL THE MEDIA forcing obama to explain himself…the rest of the media is basically another arm of the obama administration. It. Is. Never. Going. To. Happen. If Benghazi didn’t do it with all the lies I don’t know what will.

    the idea is to change the behavior of the MSM…again, what’s your plan?….you tell us what we already know, time to forge ahead…if you have no options then we are going down…do you have a tax/deficit idea that will suddenly sway donk senators into the fold?…as for the media FOX is all there is so use them…do specials, speak for all voters for an explanation to this madness


  70. Lily
    70 | November 30, 2012 3:27 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Again I disagree with this scorched earth policy concerning obama. Really we have to go there again? No we don’t have to do this. Obama will over-reach that is a given. Now Congress needs to grow a damn spine. The let it burn crowd really are all up with obama’s policies because that is what he wants ..to let it burn. And re-shape it in his own image! You want that??????????
    I want results…do you have a better idea?

    You want results? What kind of results do you want? Should be the question. Like let obama have his way that surely will teach the people for voting him back in!!!…when that is what he wants!!!! He is hoping everything comes crashing down so he can truly transform the United Stated to how he want its…that is the results you will have by saying letting it all burn down. And you don’t even see it.


  71. Lily
    71 | November 30, 2012 3:28 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I think I’ll go have some Hunan Food today — I haven’t been to that restaurant in awhile……I only mention this because it’s guaranteed to cause dain bramage in LGF trolls.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:


  72. heysoos
    72 | November 30, 2012 3:31 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Again I disagree with this scorched earth policy concerning obama. Really we have to go there again? No we don’t have to do this. Obama will over-reach that is a given. Now Congress needs to grow a damn spine. The let it burn crowd really are all up with obama’s policies because that is what he wants ..to let it burn. And re-shape it in his own image! You want that??????????
    I want results…do you have a better idea?
    You want results? What kind of results do you want? Should be the question. Like let obama have his way that surely will teach the people for voting him back in!!!…when that is what he wants!!!! He is hoping everything comes crashing down so he can truly transform the United Stated to how he want its…that is the results you will have by saying letting it all burn down. And you don’t even see it.

    ah, yes I see it…quit bitching and offer a solution instead of trashing mine…the problems have been identified, now what?…do you think FOX should give up?…how do we get senate votes for reasonable cuts?…letting it burn is an expression to expose this crazy economy….better now than later


  73. AZfederalist
    73 | November 30, 2012 3:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    We don’t have KINGS HERE!!! Obama believes his own hype and the media’s hype about him.

    Take a read in the Old Testament of the history before the kings, when Israel was ruled by Judges and “each Israelite did what was right in his own eyes”. The Israelite people actually demanded they be given a king despite Samuel’s warning of what a king would do to them regarding taxes and conscripting their young. Yet the foolish Israelites still demanded a king.

    Are 52% of the American people at that point now? That they will sacrifice their liberty and freedom for a father/god figure to worship and obey here on earth?


  74. Speranza
    74 | November 30, 2012 3:35 pm

    Fred Thompson ‏@fredthompson

    A new Pew poll shows that most people gave Obama’s 2012 campaign a “C+”. Expect America’s credit rating to match that shortly. #tcot


  75. 75 | November 30, 2012 3:35 pm

    @ Speranza:

    @ Lily:

    The media will never do their job when it comes to The Little Bummer Boy. If Benghazi or the Khalidi tape involved the GOP, we’d be barraged with demands for an in-depth investigation on the former and the immediately release by the L.A. Times on the latter (of course, the L.A. Times would never withhold a tape that makes a Republican look bad).


  76. 76 | November 30, 2012 3:36 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Are 52% of the American people at that point now? That they will sacrifice their liberty and freedom for a father/god figure to worship and obey here on earth?

    That would be what they voted for, yes. That and free shit. They want someone to protect them from responsibility, and they are willing to trade their freedom for that.


  77. AZfederalist
    77 | November 30, 2012 3:37 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    That they will sacrifice their liberty and freedom for a father/god figure to worship and obey here on earth?

    Scratch that, it may be that they want this father/god to worship that the rest of the country must obey and pay tribute in order that their father/god can redistribute part of said tribute to them. Foolish useful idiots, once he becomes the father/god King, he no longer needs them, they would simply take some of that tribute being given to him. Something tells me that King Obama will not be very interested in sharing his toys once he fully ascends to power.


  78. lobo91
    78 | November 30, 2012 3:37 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Are 52% of the American people at that point now? That they will sacrifice their liberty and freedom for a father/god figure to worship and obey here on earth?

    I assume that’s a rhetorical question?


  79. Speranza
    79 | November 30, 2012 3:37 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ Lily:
    The media will never do their job when it comes to The Little Bummer Boy. If Benghazi or the Khalidi tape involved the GOP, we’d be barraged with demands for an in-depth investigation on the former and the immediately release by the L.A. Times on the latter (of course, the L.A. Times would never withhold a tape that makes a Republican look bad).

    Sad but true. That’s why our candidates need to be smart and disciplined (and that means fuck off Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock).


  80. Lily
    80 | November 30, 2012 3:39 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    FOX should offer to have an interview with BO, Geitner, Boehner and Ryan…get a couple of talking heads to ask them questions and allow themselves to explain their plans…let the voters see who is doing the walk and who is doing the talk….this deficit gig needs to be on front street, every day
    I don’t know about the others but BO will never, ever and mean never, ever go on Fox News. He hates them and makes no bones about it either.
    so what… force the issue, as in ask him what he’s afraid of and offer to let the strength of his plan do the lifting….pound away, every day
    Fox does pound on obama..he just ignores them. For what you want to work you will have to have ALL THE MEDIA forcing obama to explain himself…the rest of the media is basically another arm of the obama administration. It. Is. Never. Going. To. Happen. If Benghazi didn’t do it with all the lies I don’t know what will.
    the idea is to change the behavior of the MSM…again, what’s your plan?….you tell us what we already know, time to forge ahead…if you have no options then we are going down…do you have a tax/deficit idea that will suddenly sway donk senators into the fold?…as for the media FOX is all there is so use them…do specials, speak for all voters for an explanation to this madness

    Oh hell no ….don’t you dare throw that ball in my lap…when your plan is *let it burn*!!!!!! Why do I have to explain myself to you?? When you drop bombs out there on the thread…so I disagree with you and you can’t make your own damn case so you DEMAND ME TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS!!! As for as FOX people have to watch them…you can’t force people to watch FOX when they are addicted to MSNBC or CNN…or whatever they are watching. So you get off your high horse and start explaining yourself better than throw the ball in my lap and make me come up with a plan to defeat what obama wants…when congress and everyone else can’t come up with something themselves!


  81. heysoos
    81 | November 30, 2012 3:41 pm

    BO has the senate votes, BO has the media…someone smarter than me, be so kind as to list our options…we can fight it out and lose, be called obstructionists and killers…or we can roll over and dump it all on BO’s plate….are there any other choices?


  82. Speranza
    82 | November 30, 2012 3:42 pm

    @ Lily:
    As if Obama will ever allow himself to be interviewed on Fox (despite being interviewed by O’Reilly) by real pros such as Chris Wallace or Bret Baier.


  83. Lily
    83 | November 30, 2012 3:43 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Again I disagree with this scorched earth policy concerning obama. Really we have to go there again? No we don’t have to do this. Obama will over-reach that is a given. Now Congress needs to grow a damn spine. The let it burn crowd really are all up with obama’s policies because that is what he wants ..to let it burn. And re-shape it in his own image! You want that??????????
    I want results…do you have a better idea?
    You want results? What kind of results do you want? Should be the question. Like let obama have his way that surely will teach the people for voting him back in!!!…when that is what he wants!!!! He is hoping everything comes crashing down so he can truly transform the United Stated to how he want its…that is the results you will have by saying letting it all burn down. And you don’t even see it.
    ah, yes I see it…quit bitching and offer a solution instead of trashing mine…the problems have been identified, now what?…do you think FOX should give up?…how do we get senate votes for reasonable cuts?…letting it burn is an expression to expose this crazy economy….better now than later

    Why don’t you quit bitching???? I am not in Congress! At least last time I checked I wasn’t…oh wait I’m not even a politician either at least last time I checked. You have no idea what you are wishing for you care nothing about the people who will certainly suffer so badly by this. So you know what hey why don’t you attack other people here for not coming up WITH A PLAN AND TELL THEM TO QUIT THEIR BITCHING instead of singling out me for a damn change.


  84. heysoos
    84 | November 30, 2012 3:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    FOX should offer to have an interview with BO, Geitner, Boehner and Ryan…get a couple of talking heads to ask them questions and allow themselves to explain their plans…let the voters see who is doing the walk and who is doing the talk….this deficit gig needs to be on front street, every day
    I don’t know about the others but BO will never, ever and mean never, ever go on Fox News. He hates them and makes no bones about it either.
    so what… force the issue, as in ask him what he’s afraid of and offer to let the strength of his plan do the lifting….pound away, every day
    Fox does pound on obama..he just ignores them. For what you want to work you will have to have ALL THE MEDIA forcing obama to explain himself…the rest of the media is basically another arm of the obama administration. It. Is. Never. Going. To. Happen. If Benghazi didn’t do it with all the lies I don’t know what will.
    the idea is to change the behavior of the MSM…again, what’s your plan?….you tell us what we already know, time to forge ahead…if you have no options then we are going down…do you have a tax/deficit idea that will suddenly sway donk senators into the fold?…as for the media FOX is all there is so use them…do specials, speak for all voters for an explanation to this madness
    Oh hell no ….don’t you dare throw that ball in my lap…when your plan is *let it burn*!!!!!! Why do I have to explain myself to you?? When you drop bombs out there on the thread…so I disagree with you and you can’t make your own damn case so you DEMAND ME TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS!!! As for as FOX people have to watch them…you can’t force people to watch FOX when they are addicted to MSNBC or CNN…or whatever they are watching. So you get off your high horse and start explaining yourself better than throw the ball in my lap and make me come up with a plan to defeat what obama wants…when congress and everyone else can’t come up with something themselves!

    I didn’t ask you to solve all the problems, I asked you how the GOP should move forward…any ideas?


  85. lobo91
    85 | November 30, 2012 3:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Lily:
    As if Obama will ever allow himself to be interviewed on Fox (despite being interviewed by O’Reilly) by real pros such as Chris Wallace or Bret Baier..

    Even if he did, he wouldn’t provide any real specific answers to anything. He’d just do what he always does, which is to go off on a tangent so far that people forget what the original question was.

    Either that or he’d lie. Or both.


  86. Lily
    86 | November 30, 2012 3:45 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    We don’t have KINGS HERE!!! Obama believes his own hype and the media’s hype about him.
    Take a read in the Old Testament of the history before the kings, when Israel was ruled by Judges and “each Israelite did what was right in his own eyes”. The Israelite people actually demanded they be given a king despite Samuel’s warning of what a king would do to them regarding taxes and conscripting their young. Yet the foolish Israelites still demanded a king.
    Are 52% of the American people at that point now? That they will sacrifice their liberty and freedom for a father/god figure to worship and obey here on earth?

    You know you make a great case for exactly that. Yeah I do believe 52% of the people want a king and have no idea what they are giving away for a lousy king.


  87. Lily
    87 | November 30, 2012 3:46 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ Lily:
    The media will never do their job when it comes to The Little Bummer Boy. If Benghazi or the Khalidi tape involved the GOP, we’d be barraged with demands for an in-depth investigation on the former and the immediately release by the L.A. Times on the latter (of course, the L.A. Times would never withhold a tape that makes a Republican look bad).

    Excatly…the media is never going to do their job concerning obama. It truly is surreal.


  88. heysoos
    88 | November 30, 2012 3:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Lily:
    As if Obama will ever allow himself to be interviewed on Fox (despite being interviewed by O’Reilly) by real pros such as Chris Wallace or Bret Baier..

    Even if he did, he wouldn’t provide any real specific answers to anything. He’d just do what he always does, which is to go off on a tangent so far that people forget what the original question was.
    Either that or he’d lie. Or both.

    well that’s a small step…the idea is to let him do that in a different environment than he’s not used to…it’s just an idea, trying to expose him in a way that the stupid debates does not allow


  89. heysoos
    89 | November 30, 2012 3:50 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    @ Lily:
    The media will never do their job when it comes to The Little Bummer Boy. If Benghazi or the Khalidi tape involved the GOP, we’d be barraged with demands for an in-depth investigation on the former and the immediately release by the L.A. Times on the latter (of course, the L.A. Times would never withhold a tape that makes a Republican look bad).
    Excatly…the media is never going to do their job concerning obama. It truly is surreal.

    okay, scratch the MSM…that leaves congress…you want to stand and fight on that hill?…they will cream the GOP so bad they may never recover


  90. Lily
    90 | November 30, 2012 3:50 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Lily:
    As if Obama will ever allow himself to be interviewed on Fox (despite being interviewed by O’Reilly) by real pros such as Chris Wallace or Bret Baier..

    Nope he would never go on FOX…he even shuts them out at times. He has made it very clear and I do think he has said something negative about FOX…he doesn’t like them at all.


  91. Lily
    91 | November 30, 2012 3:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ Lily:
    As if Obama will ever allow himself to be interviewed on Fox (despite being interviewed by O’Reilly) by real pros such as Chris Wallace or Bret Baier.

    Even if he did, he wouldn’t provide any real specific answers to anything. He’d just do what he always does, which is to go off on a tangent so far that people forget what the original question was.
    Either that or he’d lie. Or both.

    Yep. But I’d bet dollars to donuts he would never, ever agree to go on FOX..evah!


  92. heysoos
    92 | November 30, 2012 3:57 pm

    if you can’t fight BO in the media, and you cannot win the senate, what’s left?….either get on board his plan to ruin the country or fight…if you fight the media will accuse you of killing sick people, if you don’t fight then it’s all on the donks and just maybe the stupid GOP lives to fight another day….remember this, the GOP gave this election away via a feeble turnout to oppose him….this mess is on the GOP as much as it’s on the entitlement drones…now what is the GOP gonna do about it?


  93. Lily
    93 | November 30, 2012 3:58 pm

    @ heysoos:

    This mess is on the voters who didn’t turn out. Period.


  94. lobo91
    94 | November 30, 2012 3:58 pm

    The reality is, at this point, there’s probably nothing any politician of any party can do to fix things. Short of massive cuts to entitlements, which would lead to riots like we’ve seen in Europe on steroids, there is no way to come close to balancing our budget.

    If Obama were given the tax increases he’s demanding, they’ll bring in about $70 billion a year. That still leaves a $1.1 trillion difference to make up with spending cuts. Completely eliminating DOD would get you about $600 billion (and leave several million people unemployed).

    At this point, I really don’t think there is a solution.


  95. 95 | November 30, 2012 3:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I didn’t ask you to solve all the problems, I asked you how the GOP should move forward…any ideas?

    Well, here’s one thing.

    Make sure we get purple fingers, paper ballots, and picture IDs in EVERY jurisdiction. That has to be done at the state and local level.

    Without it, we don’t even have a republic.


  96. Speranza
    96 | November 30, 2012 4:05 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Yep. But I’d bet dollars to donuts he would never, ever agree to go on FOX..evah!

    Even MSNBC isn’t sycophantic enough for him.


  97. Lily
    97 | November 30, 2012 4:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The reality is, at this point, there’s probably nothing any politician of any party can do to fix things. Short of massive cuts to entitlements, which would lead to riots like we’ve seen in Europe on steroids, there is no way to come close to balancing our budget.
    If Obama were given the tax increases he’s demanding, they’ll bring in about $70 billion a year. That still leaves a $1.1 trillion difference to make up with spending cuts. Completely eliminating DOD would get you about $600 billion (and leave several million people unemployed).
    At this point, I really don’t think there is a solution.

    Nope…I don’t see one either. But I’m not of the crowd to say “Let it burn” either. It’s pretty bad…how the cards are going to fall is a guess at best. Someone mentioned at the State level…but then again it’s a risk.

    Taxpayers, revolt!By Cal ThomasTribune Media ServicesCongress returned to “work” this week (now there’s a laugh) to complete its lame-duck session before taking another holiday

    Congress returned to “work” this week (now there’s a laugh) to complete its lame-duck session before taking another holiday. Spending other people’s money is a taxing experience.

    Their task is to avoid the “fiscal cliff,” a geological construct of their own making. It doesn’t take a genius to predict both parties will try to do two things: (1) reach an agreement that will allow each side to take some credit and (2) require those who work for a living to pay government more while they come up with phony, or inconsequential spending “cuts.”

    Whatever they do, payroll taxes are going up January 1 and new taxes associated with Obamacare will soon follow. It is beyond argument that additional revenue isn’t the solution to the problem of uncontrolled spending.

    According to usgovernmentrevenue.com, writer Christopher Chantrill’s “resource on government taxes and receipts in the United States,” “Total revenue at all levels of government in the United States is ‘guesstimated’ to be $5.5 trillion in 2013.” Unfortunately, our projected debt will be $17.5 trillion. Absent reforms, the U.S. Senate Budget Committee predicts the federal government could be $20 trillion in debt by 2016. Clearly, it’s not lack of revenue that is driving the debt; it is lack of spending restraint.

    How much more should we subsidize government irresponsibility? If the answer is “not another dime” perhaps the time has come for a taxpayer revolt.

    http://www.calthomas.com/index.php?news=3801


  98. Lily
    98 | November 30, 2012 4:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Yep. But I’d bet dollars to donuts he would never, ever agree to go on FOX..evah!
    Even MSNBC isn’t sycophantic enough for him.

    Isn’t that the truth and they bascially slobber over him like he was the second coming of Christ.


  99. heysoos
    99 | November 30, 2012 4:07 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I didn’t ask you to solve all the problems, I asked you how the GOP should move forward…any ideas?
    Well, here’s one thing.
    Make sure we get purple fingers, paper ballots, and picture IDs in EVERY jurisdiction. That has to be done at the state and local level.
    Without it, we don’t even have a republic.

    agreed with no reservation…we don’t even have a foolproof voting system in this great country and we are trying to tackle a god child, enthroned by the MSM


  100. AZfederalist
    100 | November 30, 2012 4:07 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Problem is, as you say, BO has the media. If the House rolls over for Barry and lets him have what he wants, when (not if) things go south, BHO, the democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) will blame the House for not standing on principle by allowing them to implement policies the Republicans knew would damage the country. Therefore, in 2014, Republicans will not deserve election to office and should be replaced by democrats. Yeah, that’s totally illogical, but that, or some variation will be used against the Republicans even if they go full bully victim, roll over, and wet themselves for the democrats.


  101. 101 | November 30, 2012 4:09 pm

    NEW THREAD


  102. Lily
    102 | November 30, 2012 4:12 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Problem is, as you say, BO has the media. If the House rolls over for Barry and lets him have what he wants, when (not if) things go south, BHO, the democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) will blame the House for not standing on principle by allowing them to implement policies the Republicans knew would damage the country. Therefore, in 2014, Republicans will not deserve election to office and should be replaced by democrats. Yeah, that’s totally illogical, but that, or some variation will be used against the Republicans even if they go full bully victim, roll over, and wet themselves for the democrats.

    Excatly it is a lose/lose option here. Because obama is going to reject (just like he has in the past) anything the House proposes and if he doesn’t GET EVERYTHING HE WANTS AND A BLANK CHECK TO WORK WITH. With obama it is *IT’S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY*..then he blames the Republicans for not working with him..when in reality it’s the other way around. So far the House has refused him his blank check…I don’t know what they are thinking now with another 4 years of obama looming ahead of them.


  103. AZfederalist
    103 | November 30, 2012 4:13 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    .remember this, the GOP gave this election away via a feeble turnout to oppose him….this mess is on the GOP as much as it’s on the entitlement drones…now what is the GOP gonna do about it?

    Do you really think that if the GOP just rolls over and lets Obama have his way that will increase GOP turnout in the next election?

    I don’t have the answer, but the GOP rolling over is not it. They need to grow some spines and cajones and then get in the face of the media. … and I don’t mean by calling press conferences since the MSM won’t cover them. I mean by going to every democrat press event and getting in front of the cameras even if it means pushing Nanzi, Dingy Harry and the other democrat attention whores out of the way. It’s time to be confrontational and in a manner the press cannot spin or ignore.


  104. AZfederalist
    104 | November 30, 2012 4:14 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Bingo! +1000


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