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Separated at birth: Obama and Morsi

by Speranza ( 101 Comments › )
Filed under Egypt, Islam, Islamists, Muslim Brotherhood at December 6th, 2012 - 3:00 pm

Both Barack Obama and Mohammad Morsi are tyrants at heart who would rule by decree and fiat if they could (and Morsi is  actively trying right now). They are demagogues, charlatans, and as the Knish points out – Obama is a Progressive and Morsi is an Islamist and that “their approach to anyone outside that circle is limited to distinguishing between potential converts and useful idiots.”

by Daniel Greenfield

In Cairo, Morsi scribbles his decrees and in Washington DC, Obama scribbles his. There is an ocean between the two men, but there is a good deal that they have in common. Both are ideologues who piggybacked on public outrage over the national impact of international economic declines to climb to power and pursue their true agendas.

Without worries about the price of bread, the odds are good that Mubarak would be sitting in his old place and Morsi would be looking over the latest economic reports from the Brotherhood’s business networks and front groups. And without a sharp decline in American living standards, Mubarak would be receiving phone calls from President McCain urging him to democratize Egypt, while Obama would be rallying the troops at the latest SEIU event for taking back Congress.

Times of crisis are political hunting grounds for extremist groups whose ideologies would otherwise be unpalatable. Angry people are more willing to accept the previously unacceptable to shake up the system and punish those that they blame for their economic situation. They are in the long run, only punishing themselves, but the long run rarely wins elections. The short run however is the all-time ballot box winner.

But the problem with running on the old Bolshy platform of “Land, Bread and Peace” is that the people eventually expect you to deliver at least two of three. And ideologues are not interested in empowering people. They will hand out subsidized freebies to their supporters to win elections, but they won’t empower them economically, outside their network of subsidies, and peace is never on the table with folks who believe utopia is just a hundred years of war away.

There is a point midway between the cheering for hope and change, and the complete consolidation of power in the hands of a tyrannical system when the tyrant is vulnerable. That window is the one that opens when the people begin realizing that there is no land, bread or peace on the horizon. Their eyes haven’t opened, but their patience has run out.

Morsi has tried to cut the duration of the window as narrowly as possibly by moving quickly to consolidate his power, but that brought on a second crisis and a wave of popular protests. Triggering those protests prematurely may have been his plan, but that plan may have also backfired. The only way to tell will be retroactively.

Obama’s ObamaCare power grab was generally held to be premature, but even though the majority continues to oppose it, the man behind the program survived an election thanks to a hurricane and plenty of voter fraud. Morsi may similarly be able to survive his own power grab. An Islamist is, if nothing else, absolutely immune from the sort of human emotions that animate normal leaders.

The advantage of being an ideologue is that you simply do not care what infidels think and anyone who is not a member of your mental club is an infidel. Transnationalists, whether of the leftist or Islamist flavor, are men who live without a country. Their country is an imaginary global utopia, the infinite Reich of dreams, the Caliphate of their conspiracies and the World Revolution that can never be.

That disregard is what allows men like Obama and Morsi to survive the widespread hatred and contempt of a country, to sneeringly dismiss it, and get on with the program of taking it over. Bush and Mubarak could be hurt by how their own countrymen saw them. But Obama is not an American and Morsi is not an Egyptian. Obama is a Progressive and Morsi is an Islamist. Their approach to anyone outside that circle is limited to distinguishing between potential converts and useful idiots.

Bad leaders can be protested out of office. Ideologues can only be forced out of office. And that isn’t easy. Any movement with enough money, skills and leverage to take their man all the way to the top is not going to fold just because the streets are full of protesters or because legal action is being taken against them. [........]

America in the 1950s briefly woke up to the fact that any measure had to be taken to keep the Reds away from power… or there would be no America left. Egyptians understood this about the Muslim Brotherhood all along and took many of those measures, until we forced Egypt to dismantle its defenses, as we dismantled our own. Obama and Morsi are the consequences of that unilateral disarmament.

Obama and Morsi are not individuals, they are the representatives of political movements that have spent the better part of a century clambering to power. Their brushes with the law have made them cunning and their rise to power after so long have fed their sense of historical destiny. To them these are more than momentary political triumphs, but the culmination of history. They do not see ballot boxes, but the inevitable march of progress and prophecy that must be fulfilled by any means necessary.

It is not surprising that Obama and Morsi, two men who hail from the same continent and a related cultural milieu, have gotten along so well with one another. Their interests do not precisely align, but they can appreciate a colleague working in the same field of revolution. But the mutual friendship may prove to be more harmful to Morsi than to Obama.

[........]

The same window that prevents Morsi from exerting total control over the country, also prevents him from making a complete break with America. Morsi needed Obama to bail out the Egyptian economy and now Obama is dragging Morsi down. Positive views of America fell to 19 percent in Egypt in 2012 making Anti-Americanism into a viable proposition. Not that it ever wasn’t.

[........]

Americans weren’t ready for a reversal after four years. Will Egyptians be ready to cast down Morsi after a much shorter period?

Obama’s work has taken longer and gone slower because there is much more of it to do. America started out at a higher point than Egypt and it will take it a while to hit bottom. Morsi has less to dismantle and is working against lower expectations in a country where freedom is a slogan, not a tangible experience.

The 21st Century has been surprisingly good to Islamists and leftists. The fall of the Soviet Union opened a power vacuum that the Islamists filled and allowed the left to sell its agenda in a world where the gulag was no longer a relevant term. Of the two groups the leftists have a shorter future, at least in areas that fall under Islamist control, but their Islamist alliances have also given them a new lease on life.

Every utopian dream sooner or later ends in a nightmare

The leftists have taught class warfare to the Islamists and the Islamists have revived the left’s critiques of foreign policy as imperialism by providing them with a global identity group that fills the hole left behind by the end of the Cold War. It is not surprising then to see Obama and Morsi working so well together… or following the same path.

Transnationalist movements are predatory. They strike at a weak period in a nation’s history with the aim of tearing apart the country. But a country so weak and dissolute as to remain under the dominion of transnationalist movements is also too corrupted to be very much use. The Communists could never make much of Russia or China. It took a transition to capitalism to do that. And the only thing that transnationalists will be able to make of America or Egypt is to harness both countries for the sheer manpower and the leftover weapons.

Obama, Morsi and the forces behind them have power, but they have no future. Their reign can only end in one of two ways. Either the country becomes vigorous enough to cast them off and rebuild, or it will not, and the Islamists and the leftists will go down into the darkness with it. Every utopian dream sooner or later ends in a nightmare. The question is whether it will be a nightmare only for the leftist and Islamist movements or for the countries that they take over.

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101 Responses to “Separated at birth: Obama and Morsi”
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  1. 1 | December 6, 2012 3:19 pm

    John McCain loves both Morsi and Obama.


  2. Speranza
    2 | December 6, 2012 3:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    John McCain loves both Morsi and Obama.

    Morsi is a tyrant and Obama years to be one.


  3. Speranza
    3 | December 6, 2012 3:22 pm

    This is one of the Knish’s better columns.


  4. Speranza
    4 | December 6, 2012 3:23 pm

    The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt wants to destroy the Sphinx and Pyramids. Too bad they cannot be airlifted out of that shit hole.


  5. Speranza
    5 | December 6, 2012 3:23 pm

    How’s that Arab Spring working out for you McCain and Miss Lindsey?


  6. Speranza
    6 | December 6, 2012 3:24 pm

    Every utopian dream sooner or later ends in a nightmare

    Ain’t that the truth?
    Arab democracy is a utopia.


  7. Speranza
    7 | December 6, 2012 3:26 pm

    Syria imploding, Gaza run by murderers, Egypt run by reactionaries, Lebanon under the heel of Hezbollah and Iran -- yeah Obama’s winning personality has made a difference. /


  8. Speranza
    8 | December 6, 2012 3:28 pm

    The 21st Century has been surprisingly good to Islamists and leftists.

    Unfortunately that is correct. What is so hard to accept is that my own country has fallen not once but twice for a left-wing charlatan and demagogue. I don’t expect much from Egypt, Tunisia, Afghanistan and Syria.


  9. 9 | December 6, 2012 3:29 pm

    The problem for America will be twofold: surviving the Obama years and recovering from them if we survive. At the end of Obama’s second term we will be at least $21 trillion in debt, and that is probably a very conservative estimate. If Obama is able to get the debt ceiling essentially revoked, we could be as much as $30 trillion in debt by then, if our creditors don’t freak out and cut us off. We simply cannot pay off that kind of debt, not even in 100 years. We can’t grow the economy enough to support that kind of debt with the millstone of that debt around our neck.


  10. Speranza
    10 | December 6, 2012 3:30 pm

    Positive views of America fell to 19 percent in Egypt in 2012 making Anti-Americanism into a viable proposition.

    Geez the roots of Egyptian anti-Americanism have little to do with George W. Bush, who would’ve thought that?


  11. Speranza
    11 | December 6, 2012 3:31 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The problem for America will be twofold: surviving the Obama years and recovering from them if we survive. At the end of Obama’s second term we will be at least $21 trillion in debt, and that is probably a very conservative estimate. If Obama is able to get the debt ceiling essentially revoked, we could be as much as $30 trillion in debt by then, if our creditors don’t freak out and cut us off. We simply cannot pay off that kind of debt, not even in 100 years. We can’t grow the economy enough to support that kind of debt with the millstone of that debt around our neck.

    That is why November 2012 was such a bummer. How much of the country will be salvageable in 2016?


  12. Speranza
    12 | December 6, 2012 3:33 pm

    Bad leaders can be protested out of office. Ideologues can only be forced out of office.

    They may use “democratic” means to get into power, but they will rule via undemocratic means. The left (and Islamists) do not share power (see Czechoslovakia, February 1948).


  13. 13 | December 6, 2012 3:33 pm

    @ Speranza:

    You left out the wonderful success that has come from backing al Qaeda in Libya. After all, it isn’t every president that manages to get an Ambassador assassinated. That takes special skill. We haven’t had that skillset in the Presidency since the Carter Administration, but now I think there is no doubt that Obama will be worse than Carter.


  14. Speranza
    14 | December 6, 2012 3:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    You left out the wonderful success that has come from backing al Qaeda in Libya. After all, it isn’t every president that manages to get an Ambassador assassinated. That takes special skill. We haven’t had that skillset in the Presidency since the Carter Administration, but now I think there is no doubt that Obama will be worse than Carter.

    A Republican president would never have survived the fall out from Benghazi (and probably not “Fast & Furious” either).


  15. 15 | December 6, 2012 3:41 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Nope, absolutely not. The media might would have let Fast and Furious slide because they agree with the goals (gun control), but they’d have crucified a Republican over Benghazi. But even with Fast and Furious they might would have noticed all the little brown people that F&F got killed and decided that it was a White Man’s Conspiracy. Obama doesn’t have to worry abou tthat.


  16. 16 | December 6, 2012 3:45 pm

    Rumor is Jim DeMint wants Tim Scott to replace him. I think that is an excellent idea.

    Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) has made it known in South Carolina that he wants Rep. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) to replace him in the Senate, two state Republican sources tell The Hill.

    The sources, requesting anonymity to speak candidly, say Scott is DeMint’s preference for the seat, though the final decision will be Gov. Nikki Haley’s (R). She will appoint someone to serve out the rest of DeMint’s term after he officially resigns from the Senate to take over the conservative Heritage Foundation in January. An election for the seat will then be held in 2014 for the remaining two years of the term.

    We could do worse than a black Republican in the Senate. I wouldn’t expect Scott to get any of the black vote, though, if he were say tapped to be Rubio’s VP in 2016. I think the Democrats could run Nathan Bedford Forrest for President and take 90% of the black vote.


  17. Speranza
    17 | December 6, 2012 3:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rumor is Jim DeMint wants Tim Scott to replace him. I think that is an excellent idea.

    I agree and I hope it is true.


  18. Speranza
    18 | December 6, 2012 3:52 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We could do worse than a black Republican in the Senate. I wouldn’t expect Scott to get any of the black vote, though, if he were say tapped to be Rubio’s VP in 2016. I think the Democrats could run Nathan Bedford Forrest for President and take 90% of the black vote.

    They could run Orval Faubus and Lester Maddox or Bull Connor (all three life long Democrats) and get 90% of the black vote.


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    19 | December 6, 2012 3:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We haven’t had that skillset in the Presidency since the Carter Administration, but now I think there is no doubt that Obama will be worse than Carter.

    “Will be?” I figure Obama passed the “worse than Carter” milestone quite a ways back.


  20. 20 | December 6, 2012 3:55 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Lebanon under the heel of Hezbollah and Iran

    Soon to be controlled by The Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda.


  21. Speranza
    21 | December 6, 2012 3:56 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    We haven’t had that skillset in the Presidency since the Carter Administration, but now I think there is no doubt that Obama will be worse than Carter.

    “Will be?” I figure Obama passed the “worse than Carter” milestone quite a ways back.

    Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit said at the beginning of the Obama administration “You knew we were in trouble when the best case scenario we could have hoped for was a replay of the Carter administration”.


  22. 22 | December 6, 2012 3:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Rumor is Jim DeMint wants Tim Scott to replace him. I think that is an excellent idea

    .

    I hope Haley picks him. He’s a solid Conservative and would be a good Fuck you to the Democrats.

    I think the Democrats could run Nathan Bedford Forrest for President and take 90% of the black vote.

    Hey, the Democrats are still Klansmen. They have completed the KKK’s agenda of holding Blacks down.


  23. Speranza
    23 | December 6, 2012 3:58 pm

    I hope Haley picks him. He’s a solid Conservative and would be a good Fuck you to the Democrats.

    He beat Strom Thurmond’s grandson for the Republican nomination.

    Charles Johnson’s head will explode if Tim Scott becomes the Senator. Too bad Miss Lindsey is not leaving.


  24. 24 | December 6, 2012 4:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That’s why I think Conservatives are wasting their time with Fast/Furious and Benghazi. Obama could anally rape a young boy on TV and nothing will be done.


  25. 25 | December 6, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Charles Johnson’s head will explode if Tim Scott becomes the Senator.

    He’ll attack Tim Scott as a Nazi or Creationist.


  26. Speranza
    26 | December 6, 2012 4:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    That’s why I think Conservatives are wasting their time with Fast/Furious and Benghazi. Obama could anally rape a young boy on TV and nothing will be done.

    The media will applaud his homosexuality (Andrew Sullivan being out in front).


  27. Speranza
    27 | December 6, 2012 4:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Charles Johnson’s head will explode if Tim Scott becomes the Senator.

    He’ll attack Tim Scott as a Nazi or Creationist.

    Yeah he sure would.


  28. heysoos
    28 | December 6, 2012 4:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    That’s why I think Conservatives are wasting their time with Fast/Furious and Benghazi. Obama could anally rape a young boy on TV and nothing will be done.

    it’s not a waste of time no matter how futile it seems….there are the victims relatives to consider


  29. Speranza
    29 | December 6, 2012 4:05 pm

    Tim Scott will be totally slandered and trashed by the bigots at PMSNBC.


  30. Speranza
    30 | December 6, 2012 4:06 pm

    Americans weren’t ready for a reversal after four years.

    The full effects of Obamaism have not yet been felt.


  31. 31 | December 6, 2012 4:07 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Sullivan will call it a great moment in political history.


  32. 32 | December 6, 2012 4:08 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Sometimes there is no justice in the world.


  33. Speranza
    33 | December 6, 2012 4:08 pm

    Elizabeth Warren ended Senate campaign in debt despite record fund-raising
    Heh, she is the perfect representative of “The Age of Obama”.


  34. 34 | December 6, 2012 4:08 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Even if it is, I think people just love the guy.


  35. Speranza
    35 | December 6, 2012 4:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Sullivan will call it a great moment in political history.

    The demented creep is one of the spiritually most ugly men in punditry.


  36. Speranza
    36 | December 6, 2012 4:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Even if it is, I think people just love the guy.

    I don’t know how many “love” the guy but too many have made an emotional commitment to him that they have a hard time breaking.


  37. 37 | December 6, 2012 4:14 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ heysoos:
    @ Iron Fist:

    They have begun attacking Tim Scott already.


  38. 38 | December 6, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I know people who would slit their wrist if Obama ordered them too. I even know a person who believes Obama is a Lightworker!


  39. eaglesoars
    39 | December 6, 2012 4:15 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Tim Scott will be totally slandered and trashed by the bigots at PMSNBC.

    Who needss them? If recent history is any guide, the Republican establishment will do it for them.


  40. 40 | December 6, 2012 4:17 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    See my #37. The attacks on Tim Scott have begun.


  41. eaglesoars
    41 | December 6, 2012 4:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    They have begun attacking Tim Scott already.

    Skankette


  42. 42 | December 6, 2012 4:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Fist, a black conservative Republican will piss off ALL the right people. Especially the media. Time for a little payback for all that “RAAAAACIST” verbiage.

    Now I need Joe Wilson to run against Miss Lindsay for the other seat. The cool thing is that this would make Mr. Scott the SENIOR Senator from South Carolina


  43. 43 | December 6, 2012 4:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    See my #37. The attacks on Tim Scott have begun.

    Interesting — at the risk of raising the spectre of the Swamp -- I wonder what our ace Race Detective and his minions with the vapors would have to say about the vicious, bigoted attacks being foisted on a Black congressman by his new friends at Wonkette.

    Those people are disgusting. I thought about signing up to comment but those animals are the type to give your name and address to Brett Kimberlin.


  44. heysoos
    44 | December 6, 2012 4:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Sometimes there is no justice in the world.

    too often bro


  45. 45 | December 6, 2012 4:29 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I wonder what our ace Race Detective and his minions with the vapors would have to say about the vicious, bigoted attacks being foisted on a Black congressman by his new friends at Wonkette.

    That is where I got this, from Charles.


  46. Speranza
    46 | December 6, 2012 4:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ heysoos:
    @ Iron Fist:
    They have begun attacking Tim Scott already.

    Ana Marie Cox is a douchebag.


  47. 47 | December 6, 2012 4:45 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, but Rodan, is he excoriating her for it or applauding her for it?
    Or is he saying the racist comments were left by all of us over here?


  48. 48 | December 6, 2012 4:49 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    He’s applauding the article.


  49. Mars
    49 | December 6, 2012 4:55 pm

    http://youtu.be/nhPqmJynQPU

    This fits the discussion.

    Perhaps someone with better skills than I can embed it, since I’m having some troubles with youtube lately.


  50. 50 | December 6, 2012 4:57 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Has this been posted over at Daedadlus?


  51. Mars
    51 | December 6, 2012 4:58 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Did not know that DeMint had a career in advertising. That’s exactly what we need right now. Maybe he can do a better job getting the Heritage message to the lo-info voters. (listened to him on Rush today and he did say all the right things.)


  52. 52 | December 6, 2012 5:06 pm

    @ Mars:

    Yes I heard him say that is the Heritage Foundation’s new goal. reach out to low info.


  53. 53 | December 6, 2012 5:06 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Working on it.


  54. Mars
    54 | December 6, 2012 5:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Yes I heard him say that is the Heritage Foundation’s new goal. reach out to low info.

    As an ad man he may just be able to figure it out.


  55. 56 | December 6, 2012 5:10 pm

    e. @ Rodan:

    Jogged over to DoD and saw we already had a thread on Chucky’s latest racist screed, so I added this:

    Meanwhile, WonKKKette and friends have a racist screed up at her site against DeMint’s replacement Tim Scott. Rodan at Blogmocracy advises our Race Detective is applauding the article. And the comments.

    On the up side, it looks like Chucky’s solved his wardrobe problem – all he needs now is a white sheet sale at Sears and he’s clothed for the year.


  56. heysoos
    57 | December 6, 2012 5:15 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    aha!….so you are her!
    I don’t know who anybody is….I’d probably be surprised


  57. 58 | December 6, 2012 5:21 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Oh, I thought you knew. Hee! Yes, I am “Arachne.”


  58. heysoos
    59 | December 6, 2012 5:28 pm

    so Tim Scott is black and in the SC House…why is he being mocked?
    short answer


  59. heysoos
    60 | December 6, 2012 5:29 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Oh, I thought you knew. Hee! Yes, I am “Arachne.”

    heysoos wrote:

    so Tim Scott is black and in the SC House…why is he being mocked?
    short answer

    she’s one of my favorite mockinators over there…what a coincidence eh?


  60. 61 | December 6, 2012 5:35 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Here it goes.


  61. lobo91
    62 | December 6, 2012 5:42 pm

    Kansas Rep. Huelskamp charges Boehner punished him and others for conservative votes

    Kansas Rep. Tim Huelskamp said Wednesday that House Speaker John Boehner removed him and other conservative Republicans from key committee posts for conservative votes against House leadership this term.

    The allegations mark the second straight day the Tea Party-backed Huelskamp has lashed out at Boehner and other House leaders for perceived punishment when they return next year for another term.

    “The GOP leadership might think they have silenced conservatives, but removing me and others from key committees only confirms our conservative convictions,” said Huelskamp, who was elected to a second term in November. “This is clearly a vindictive move.”

    Huelskamp says he has been ousted from the chamber’s Budget and Agriculture committees but has yet to be told directly.

    In addition, Rep. Walter Jones of North Carolina was taken off the chamber’s Financial Services Committee. Freshman Rep. Dave Schweikert of Arizona also was removed from the Financial Services Committee, while fellow freshman Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan was taken off the Budget Committee.

    Boehner’s office did not return a call seeking verification or an explanation of for the changes.

    Earlier this week, Huelskamp alleged House leaders made their decision based on “secret” criteria and suggested Boehner’s moves were similar to the those Newt Gingrich exerted on committee assignments when he was House speaker from 1995 to 1999.

    Boehner needs to go.


  62. Mars
    63 | December 6, 2012 5:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Kansas Rep. Huelskamp charges Boehner punished him and others for conservative votes
    Kansas Rep. Tim Huelskamp said Wednesday that House Speaker John Boehner removed him and other conservative Republicans from key committee posts for conservative votes against House leadership this term.
    The allegations mark the second straight day the Tea Party-backed Huelskamp has lashed out at Boehner and other House leaders for perceived punishment when they return next year for another term.
    “The GOP leadership might think they have silenced conservatives, but removing me and others from key committees only confirms our conservative convictions,” said Huelskamp, who was elected to a second term in November. “This is clearly a vindictive move.”
    Huelskamp says he has been ousted from the chamber’s Budget and Agriculture committees but has yet to be told directly.
    In addition, Rep. Walter Jones of North Carolina was taken off the chamber’s Financial Services Committee. Freshman Rep. Dave Schweikert of Arizona also was removed from the Financial Services Committee, while fellow freshman Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan was taken off the Budget Committee.
    Boehner’s office did not return a call seeking verification or an explanation of for the changes.
    Earlier this week, Huelskamp alleged House leaders made their decision based on “secret” criteria and suggested Boehner’s moves were similar to the those Newt Gingrich exerted on committee assignments when he was House speaker from 1995 to 1999.
    Boehner needs to go.

    Heard a rep from Louisiana saying the same thing on the radio yesterday.


  63. eaglesoars
    64 | December 6, 2012 5:50 pm

    More and more people are saying Boehner needs to go.


  64. 65 | December 6, 2012 5:51 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Come the primaries of 2014, I hope a real conservative runs against him and I’d love to see Rush, Levin, and the others have said conservative on their shows. Repeatedly. And when Boehner calls, he’ll be told “sod off, Swampy?”


  65. 66 | December 6, 2012 5:53 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You are very kind -- I’ve been especially fond of yours as well. I’ve seen you put up your dukes very very nicely over there.


  66. eaglesoars
    67 | December 6, 2012 5:53 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    More and more people are saying Boehner needs to go.

    Speaking of which, I don’t think Jim DeMint at Heritage is going to be Boehner’s friend.


  67. heysoos
    68 | December 6, 2012 5:54 pm

    @ Mars:
    just shuffling the hierarchy around like the Mob….losing a committee job is like being kneecapped


  68. heysoos
    69 | December 6, 2012 5:56 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    More and more people are saying Boehner needs to go.

    he’s like 0-15 against the BO Gang….but he’d make an excellent dog catcher


  69. heysoos
    70 | December 6, 2012 5:59 pm

    say what you want about this oily pig, but Chrisie is standing firm against Obamacare..second veto
    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/06/christie-nope-we-wont-be-building-a-state-exchange-in-new-jersey/


  70. eaglesoars
    71 | December 6, 2012 6:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    say what you want about this oily pig, but Chrisie is standing firm against Obamacare..second veto
    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/06/christie-nope-we-wont-be-building-a-state-exchange-in-new-jersey/

    Yeah, well maybe if hehadn’t given Obama that public blow job, we wouldn’t be having that conversation.


  71. heysoos
    72 | December 6, 2012 6:04 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    say what you want about this oily pig, but Chrisie is standing firm against Obamacare..second veto
    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/06/christie-nope-we-wont-be-building-a-state-exchange-in-new-jersey/

    Yeah, well maybe if hehadn’t given Obama that public blow job, we wouldn’t be having that conversation.

    I could care less about that beached whale…what matters is another state pushing back regarding the exchange


  72. 73 | December 6, 2012 6:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I think DeMint at Heritage is going to be Boehner’s recurring nightmare.


  73. 74 | December 6, 2012 6:06 pm

    @ heysoos:

    He can stand as firm as he wants, but he refused to stand with the other states when it counted, even when it was pointed out that it would not cost New Jersey anything.


  74. 75 | December 6, 2012 6:08 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    But yes, heysoos, I do agree about Jersey at least coming onboard and not setting up an exchange.

    Of course, sadly, Governor Geriatric Dementia out here in California can’t wait for the ring of his doorbell to announce that the ghost of Ed McMahon has arrived with his oversized Obamabucks check (and probably that silly dozen roses, too).


  75. heysoos
    76 | December 6, 2012 6:10 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    He can stand as firm as he wants, but he refused to stand with the other states when it counted, even when it was pointed out that it would not cost New Jersey anything.

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    He can stand as firm as he wants, but he refused to stand with the other states when it counted, even when it was pointed out that it would not cost New Jersey anything.

    if enough states resolve to not set up their exchange, the weight of unfunded care will collapse the law…the way I understand it…I don’t like Chrisie, never have and never will, no matter his record


  76. heysoos
    77 | December 6, 2012 6:14 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    But yes, heysoos, I do agree about Jersey at least coming onboard and not setting up an exchange.
    Of course, sadly, Governor Geriatric Dementia out here in California can’t wait for the ring of his doorbell to announce that the ghost of Ed McMahon has arrived with his oversized Obamabucks check (and probably that silly dozen roses, too).

    I’m waiting for that ax to fall….I got into several heated arguments at lgf about the CA fiscal fuck up….I know I’m gonna get the last laugh….CA will have no choice but to throw in the towel and when they do, I hope the feds sell them out…the day I pay for Ca’s stupidity is the day I fall over dead


  77. 78 | December 6, 2012 6:15 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    It was a close election. If Christie hadn’t given Obama his public blow-job, we might have a different President.


  78. heysoos
    79 | December 6, 2012 6:16 pm

    we need a new tax revolution….
    WHO’S WITH ME?


  79. 80 | December 6, 2012 6:21 pm

    Oh man….

    Time magazine article on Roger Goodell suggests that the League is exploring eliminating the kickoff because of injuries.
    Goodell mentions the suggestion from the Tampa Bay coach -- the team losing the coin toss would get the ball on their 30 yard line and it would be “4th and 15″ and they could punt or “go for it”. Theory is most teams would punt and since punts are higher and not as far, there would be fewer chance of injury.

    Pete Rozelle would have laughed the asshole who brought this to him right out of his office.


  80. 81 | December 6, 2012 6:22 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Count me in. I think you’ll see a revitalization of the
    TEA Party once the realities of these taxes really sink in.


  81. yenta-fada
    82 | December 6, 2012 6:24 pm

    h/t Front page magazine. Snip from ‘The absurdity of treating a terrorist gang like a State’

    ––the “negotiations” and “diplomacy” in which legitimate and technically legitimate states participate when dealing with this terrorist gang. This absurdity is compounded when one of those states is Egypt and its rulers the Muslim Brotherhood. Asking Egyptian president Mohammed Morsi to intercede with its offspring Hamas is akin to asking Hitler in early1938 to intercede with its stooge Sudeten Nazi Party to stop its violence against the government of Czechoslovakia. Morsi does not object to Hamas’ rain of missiles on principle. Indeed, the Iranian Fajr-5 missiles able to hit Tel Aviv reached Gaza by transiting Egyptian territory on their way from Sudan. No, the Egyptians are trying to restrain Hamas on tactical grounds. Given that the Muslim Brothers have not yet consolidated its power or control over the army, and that Egypt is near bankruptcy and dependent on a promised $9 billion in aid from the EU, the IMF, and the U.S., Morsi doesn’t need Hamas and Islamic Jihad causing problems right now. And his role in mediating the cease-fire has endowed this soldier in the “grand jihad” against the West immense international praise and prestige.


  82. 83 | December 6, 2012 6:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Indeed it was. They focus on the percentage that Obama won over Romney; what they don’t focus on, IIRC the final tally correctly, is that Obama barely got a majority of the vote; meaning just about the same number of people DIDN’T want him to be President. They also don’t seem to want to report on the over 7,000,000 FEWER votes the asshole got this go-round.


  83. heysoos
    84 | December 6, 2012 6:31 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Oh man….
    Time magazine article on Roger Goodell suggests that the League is exploring eliminating the kickoff because of injuries.
    Goodell mentions the suggestion from the Tampa Bay coach — the team losing the coin toss would get the ball on their 30 yard line and it would be “4th and 15″ and they could punt or “go for it”. Theory is most teams would punt and since punts are higher and not as far, there would be fewer chance of injury.
    Pete Rozelle would have laughed the asshole who brought this to him right out of his office.

    Goodall is a hypocrite…playing 3 games in seventeen days does not protect players….Thursday night games do not protect players….an 18 game schedule will not protect players…tinkering with kickoff/possession/practice rules will not protect players…the game is all about speed and power and the players like it that way…to protect players you’d have to slow the game down even more…consider rules regarding QB’s and receivers…slower game is reduced revenue….the NFL could protect players but it will ruin the game….everybody knows it’s a cash cow for the very reason that players are killing themselves


  84. 85 | December 6, 2012 6:32 pm

    NEW THREAD


  85. yenta-fada
    86 | December 6, 2012 6:34 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Count me in. I think you’ll see a revitalization of the
    TEA Party once the realities of these taxes really sink in.

    The Ministry of Making sh!t up at the WH have destroyed the name forever. It is the political equivalent of an STD due to Al Reuters, AP, et al. Needs to be rebranded with a different mission statement. People didn’t even know what TEA stood for even as they demonized it.


  86. 87 | December 6, 2012 6:35 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Yep -- We’ll probably need to call ourselves something else.


  87. 88 | December 6, 2012 6:46 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Yep — We’ll probably need to call ourselves something else.

    We need a COMPLETE reboot.


  88. darkwords
    89 | December 6, 2012 6:51 pm

    Obama/Morsi good analogy a lot of similar there.


  89. darkwords
    90 | December 6, 2012 6:52 pm

    @ 84 heysoos: Flag football and if anyone jumps higher then 6 inches penalize them severely.


  90. darkwords
    91 | December 6, 2012 6:57 pm

    @ Mars: lo info voters is a great point. lot of those around that need much better cartoons.


  91. Da_Beerfreak
    92 | December 6, 2012 6:58 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Count me in. I think you’ll see a revitalization of the
    TEA Party once the realities of these taxes really sink in.

    The Ministry of Making sh!t up at the WH have destroyed the name forever. It is the political equivalent of an STD due to Al Reuters, AP, et al. Needs to be rebranded with a different mission statement. People didn’t even know what TEA stood for even as they demonized it.

    The “We ain’t a bunch of stupid idiots like the rest of you guys” party. :cool:


  92. 93 | December 6, 2012 7:08 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    I just want you to know I will be stealing this:

    The Ministry of Making sh!t up

    I favor redistribution of snark.


  93. darkwords
    94 | December 6, 2012 7:09 pm

    @ 24 Rodan: Some billionaire should just buy the benshazi video and audio and publish it.


  94. Speranza
    95 | December 6, 2012 8:52 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    I just want you to know I will be stealing this:
    The Ministry of Making sh!t up

    I favor redistribution of snark.

    Snark is a precious natural resource.


  95. Speranza
    96 | December 6, 2012 8:53 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Obama/Morsi good analogy a lot of similar there.

    That really struck me too.


  96. Speranza
    97 | December 6, 2012 8:54 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    They focus on the percentage that Obama won over Romney; what they don’t focus on, IIRC the final tally correctly, is that Obama barely got a majority of the vote; meaning just about the same number of people DIDN’T want him to be President. They also don’t seem to want to report on the over 7,000,000 FEWER votes the asshole got this go-round.

    It pretty much was a divided vote, just like 2004 and 2000.


  97. Speranza
    98 | December 6, 2012 8:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    It was a close election. If Christie hadn’t given Obama his public blow-job, we might have a different President.

    That fat bastard will regret it next year. Obama will campaign against him, as will Bruce Springsteen.


  98. Speranza
    99 | December 6, 2012 8:56 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Yeah, well maybe if hehadn’t given Obama that public blow job, we wouldn’t be having that conversation.

    HE wants it both ways -- fatso that is.


  99. Speranza
    100 | December 6, 2012 8:57 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    More and more people are saying Boehner needs to go.

    he’s like 0-15 against the BO Gang….but he’d make an excellent dog catcher

    You replace him and he will cry.


  100. Speranza
    101 | December 6, 2012 8:57 pm

    Where’s Denny Hastert? //


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