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Let the GOP housecleaning begin

by 1389AD ( 137 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2012, Republican Party at December 7th, 2012 - 5:00 pm

Extraterrestrial leaves UFO, meets clueless GOP elephant. 'Apparently, he doesn't HAVE a leader.'

It’s time for a reboot.

In my opinion, the Republican National Committee has too much baggage – including some catastrophic legal impediments – and has made too many mistakes. It would be far better to disband the RNC entirely, found new party organizations in each state, and elect a new national organization under another name and with none of the current personnel. It is also vitally important to put an end to open primaries, which allow our leftist opponents to rig the nominations in their favor.

Be that as it may, Republican Party unity is a thing of the past.

Here’s how the story is taking shape:

  • Soo Evening News: Fox News Benches Karl Rove and Dick Morris (h/t: Speranza)
  • Business Insider: There Is A Brutal Civil War In The GOP, And It Looks Like Karl Rove Will Be The First Casualty (h/t: Speranza)
  • Real Clear Politics: Yes, Romney Was The Problem (h/t: Flyovercountry)
  • PJM: No Virginia, the RNC CANNOT Monitor Polls for Ballot Security
  • Redstate: A Primer for Rich Donors Who Got Taken to the Cleaners by Republican Consultants (h/t: Flyovercountry)
  • AmSpec: The Quisling Consultants
  • Weasel Zippers: Good News: Boehner Removes Conservatives From House Financial Committees… (h/t: waldensianspirit)
  • Breitbart: Rep. Hensarling Throws Boehner Under Bus on Conservative Purge
    Seems that Boehner tried to pin responsibility for the purge of conservatives from the House Financial Services Committee on incoming chairman Rep. Jeb Hensarling. Hensarling’s spokeswoman vehemently denies that he had anything to do with it.
  • Kan. US Rep. Huelskamp: House demotion vindictive
    TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) – U.S. Rep. Tim Huelskamp blasted House Republican leaders Wednesday for “petty, vindictive politics” following their decision to remove him from key committees, including an agriculture panel he says has included a Kansan for 151 years.

    The GOP congressman, who represents Kansas’ 1st District, said on a media conference call that his only explanation is that he didn’t vote with House Speaker John Boehner on key votes over the past two years.

  • Breitbart: Boehner to Conservatives: We’re ‘Watching’ Your Votes
    After purging four conservative House members from key Committees, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) threatened Republican members of Congress on Wednesday by telling them Republican leaders are “watching” their votes to determine future committee assignments.

    Boehner’s remarks are a sign that the moderate House Republican leadership will be less tolerant of conservative dissent.

    Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-KS), who was removed from the Budget Committee, said Boehner warned those in his conference that “there may be more folks that will be targeted” and the Republican leadership is “watching all of your votes.”

    “It was a message to the Republican Conference in general, especially the comment today that there may be more punishment coming if you don’t vote the right way,” Huelskamp told The Hill.
    Breitbart News investigative reporter Matthew Boyle broke the story that House Republican leadership used a secret list of votes in a closed-door meeting to decide to remove Huelskamp and Reps. Justin Amash (R-MI), Walter Jones (R-NC), and David Schweikert (R-AZ) from their Committees.

    According to The Hill, Boehner “addressed the firestorm over the removal of four lawmakers from plum committee assignments at the weekly GOP conference meeting.” His remarks may be a sign that Boehner is willing to adopt the tactics of former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX), who was known as “the hammer” last decade for his ability to whip Republicans in line.

    Some of DeLay’s former aides now work for Boehner.
    [...]
    Boehner’s moves upset many prominent conservatives — and some are calling for him to be removed as Speaker.

    Ned Ryun, the president of American Majority Action, on Wednesday urged conservatives “fire” Boehner as House Speaker, noting that only 16 Republicans needed to abstain from voting for him for Speaker to get the process or removing him started.

    “Speaker Boehner has been an abysmal failure as speaker, and his latest purge is the nail in the coffin for conservatives,” Ryun said. “Boehner has never won a negotiation battle with the White House or Senate—and he’s been nothing short of an embarrassing spokesman for the Conservative Movement. It’s time for him to go.”


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  1. 1 | December 7, 2012 5:13 pm

    It would be far better to disband the RNC entirely, found new party organizations in each state, and elect a new national organization under another name and with none of the current personnel.

    So, what would you propose in the interim (that period between disbanding the RNC and founding new part organizations in all 50 states)? Acquiescence or asking for a “time out” from the Democrats until we can get it together?


  2. heysoos
    2 | December 7, 2012 5:54 pm

    must be Miller time somewhere


  3. Speranza
    3 | December 7, 2012 5:56 pm

    Fred Thompson ‏@fredthompson

    Obama meets w/ Maddow & Sharpton at WH on tax policy. More enthusiastic head-nodding at meeting than bobblehead store in earthquake. #tcot


  4. 4 | December 7, 2012 5:59 pm

    Boehner has to go.


  5. yenta-fada
    5 | December 7, 2012 6:18 pm

    An OT brain bleach pic of Mooch on THE WH CHRISTMAS CARD

    http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/396/2759/original.jpg


  6. 6 | December 7, 2012 6:23 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    An OT brain bleach pic of Mooch on THE WH CHRISTMAS CARD

    Which just goes to show that, even during the Christmas season, unpleasantness is inescapable.


  7. 7 | December 7, 2012 6:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Fred Thompson ‏@fredthompson

    Obama meets w/ Maddow & Sharpton at WH on tax policy. More enthusiastic head-nodding at meeting than bobblehead store in earthquake. #tcot

    :D That sounds like a Dennis Miller line!


  8. yenta-fada
    8 | December 7, 2012 6:27 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    An OT brain bleach pic of Mooch on THE WH CHRISTMAS CARD

    Which just goes to show that, even during the Christmas season, unpleasantness is inescapable.

    The michelles mirror ladies call those ‘chesticles’. lol


  9. lobo91
    9 | December 7, 2012 6:39 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Is Sharpton ever going to get around to paying the millions in back taxes he owes?

    I realize that being a tax cheat is apparently a requirement for people who want to advise Obama on economic matters, but this is getting ridiculous.


  10. heysoos
    10 | December 7, 2012 6:56 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Is Sharpton ever going to get around to paying the millions in back taxes he owes?
    I realize that being a tax cheat is apparently a requirement for people who want to advise Obama on economic matters, but this is getting ridiculous.

    20 years from now, Sharpton will be regaled as a prince of civil rights, a servant for black Americans, an icon of honesty and service…a great, yet humble man


  11. Da_Beerfreak
    11 | December 7, 2012 6:56 pm

    Get out of the way and let it burn. No one can save someone that doesn’t want to save themselves. You’ll only get burned yourself if you try. :evil:


  12. 12 | December 7, 2012 7:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    20 years from now, Sharpton will be regaled as a prince of civil rights, a servant for black Americans, an icon of honesty and service…a great, yet humble man

    And they’ll likely be in the process of adding Obama to Mount Rushmore…..seriously, I’m surprised we haven’t already heard talk of that.


  13. Da_Beerfreak
    13 | December 7, 2012 7:11 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    It’s more likely that Obama will still be president after getting rid of that pesky Twenty-Second Amendment… :evil:


  14. lobo91
    14 | December 7, 2012 7:24 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    It’s more likely that Obama will still be president after getting rid of that pesky Twenty-Second Amendment…

    They’ll have to get rid of the Second Amendment first…


  15. darkwords
    15 | December 7, 2012 7:29 pm

    Someone should poll the congress on which blogs they visit and comment on. The GoP will get more mileage out of the effort.


  16. Da_Beerfreak
    16 | December 7, 2012 7:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    It’s more likely that Obama will still be president after getting rid of that pesky Twenty-Second Amendment…

    They’ll have to get rid of the Second Amendment first…

    I expect that there will be some very creative (twisted) rule making from the BATF in the next year or two trying to do just that. :evil:


  17. 17 | December 7, 2012 7:45 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Acquiescence or asking for a “time out” from the Democrats until we can get it together?

    That seems to be what our current GOP “leadership” is already doing: acquiescence and appeasement with no end in sight.


  18. 18 | December 7, 2012 7:58 pm

    off topic, new joecartoon out, in case there are any other fans.

    http://www.joecartoon.com/index.php/everything-else/dancing-monkey-dont-never-get-to-be-kong-2/


  19. 19 | December 7, 2012 7:59 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I believe I may throw up. Maddow, Sharpton? He couldn’t scrape that barren any lower?


  20. Speranza
    20 | December 7, 2012 8:09 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Fred Thompson ‏@fredthompson
    Obama meets w/ Maddow & Sharpton at WH on tax policy. More enthusiastic head-nodding at meeting than bobblehead store in earthquake. #tcot

    That sounds like a Dennis Miller line!

    Fred Thompson’s tweets are usually hysterical.


  21. Speranza
    21 | December 7, 2012 8:10 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I believe I may throw up. Maddow, Sharpton? He couldn’t scrape that barren any lower?

    Where are Chris Matthews and Lawrence O’Donnell?


  22. Speranza
    22 | December 7, 2012 8:11 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    20 years from now, Sharpton will be regaled as a prince of civil rights, a servant for black Americans, an icon of honesty and service…a great, yet humble man

    And they’ll likely be in the process of adding Obama to Mount Rushmore…..seriously, I’m surprised we haven’t already heard talk of that.

    They will name a shitload of places and buildings after Obama.


  23. 23 | December 7, 2012 8:18 pm

    There’s more: Paul Ryan backs Boehner on conservative purge, refuses to deny whether he was involved.

    I’ll say here that I doubt that Ryan was directly involved. More likely he’s that ancient and scrawny prison-guard tending the shower in “American History X”; they just told him to get out of the way.


  24. Speranza
    24 | December 7, 2012 9:56 pm

    Wow no comments in almost two hours. I ought to have stuck around.


  25. darkwords
    25 | December 7, 2012 10:10 pm

    IS the new royal baby a life form yet? Or still disposable protoplasm?


  26. coldwarrior
    26 | December 7, 2012 10:16 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    IS the new royal baby a life form yet? Or still disposable protoplasm?

    there was a problem beyond staggering morning sickness?


  27. 27 | December 7, 2012 10:16 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    IS the new royal baby a life form yet? Or still disposable protoplasm?

    For the Jacobites and Yorkists amongst us, he’s a life form; he’s just not in line for any British thrones.


  28. brookly red
    28 | December 7, 2012 10:21 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    So, what would you propose in the interim (that period between disbanding the RNC and founding new part organizations in all 50 states)? Acquiescence or asking for a “time out” from the Democrats until we can get it together?

    A free market political system… may the best product win :)


  29. eaglesoars
    29 | December 7, 2012 10:22 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    there was a problem beyond staggering morning sickness?

    no. It was a back door ‘rhetorical’ abortion shot.


  30. coldwarrior
    30 | December 7, 2012 10:26 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    there was a problem beyond staggering morning sickness?
    no. It was a back door ‘rhetorical’ abortion shot.

    oh, ok.

    my ‘irony’ senses are decidedly lacking today.


  31. eaglesoars
    31 | December 7, 2012 10:30 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    from a previous thread.

    Try to keep up, m’kay?

    BTW, Calo reports that Lily is stable and they’ll be trying to get her off the breathing apparatus shortly. Probably already have as that report was around 7 pm


  32. coldwarrior
    32 | December 7, 2012 10:33 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    BTW, Calo reports that Lily is stable and they’ll be trying to get her off the breathing apparatus shortly. Probably already have as that report was around 7 pm

    ‘extubating’ (removing the ventilator and getting the patient to breath on their own) is a very tricky dance.

    patients rapidly get lazy and become dependent on the vent. lily want on it for real long so she should be ok.


  33. coldwarrior
    33 | December 7, 2012 10:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    from a previous thread.

    Try to keep up, m’kay?

    personal liberty, ever smaller government, states rights.

    i just channel my inner goldwater/buckley and drive on.


  34. darkwords
    34 | December 7, 2012 10:38 pm

    Interesting read.

    That’s at least $80 million doled out annually for law enforcement and social services that combine to rescue approximately 200 child prostitutes every year.

    These agencies might improve upon their $400,000-per-rescued-child average if they joined in the effort to develop a clearer picture of the population they aim to aid. But there’s no incentive for them to do so when they stand to rake in even more public money simply by staying the course.


  35. eaglesoars
    35 | December 7, 2012 10:40 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    patients rapidly get lazy and become dependent on the vent.

    I’ve only been on it once and it was already gone by the time I came to, but god was my throat sore! chipped ice all nite.


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | December 7, 2012 10:45 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    patients rapidly get lazy and become dependent on the vent.
    I’ve only been on it once and it was already gone by the time I came to, but god was my throat sore! chipped ice all nite.

    extubating after a few days or when the patient is weak is when it gets difficult.

    i dont like the vent.


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | December 7, 2012 10:47 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    These agencies might improve upon their $400,000-per-rescued-child average

    its the dui argument.

    wanna end dui? lose license forever. period. kill someone while driving drunk, no trial, straight to the chair.

    now there is an industry around dui and govt relie$ on that cash flow


  38. eaglesoars
    38 | December 7, 2012 10:48 pm

    @ darkwords:

    That article doesn’t mention how many of those kids are runaways.


  39. Calo
    39 | December 7, 2012 10:50 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    She had 2 days of pulmonary toiletry before surgery, so she should be OK.

    I just hope she remembers my words to her before her surgery about extubation trials “breathe deep and slowly, it’ll feel like you are breathing through a straw -- don’t panic. Keep breathing deep and slow.”


  40. coldwarrior
    40 | December 7, 2012 10:53 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    She had 2 days of pulmonary toiletry before surgery, so she should be OK.
    I just hope she remembers my words to her before her surgery about extubation trials “breathe deep and slowly, it’ll feel like you are breathing through a straw — don’t panic. Keep breathing deep and slow.”

    as long as she was compliant and the therapists were on the ball, that should do it.

    nice advice. i whisper that in p/t’s ears when needed.


  41. brookly red
    41 | December 7, 2012 10:56 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    now there is an industry around dui and govt relie$ on that cash flow

    it’s only a matter of time till they realize they is money to be made in the sale of sightly used organs.


  42. Calo
    42 | December 7, 2012 10:56 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    kill someone while driving drunk, no trial, straight to the chair.

    As a step-mom of a kid who, at 22, killed her best friend in a drunk driving accident a few years ago and currently resides in a FL prison, I can only hope you never have to visit that heartbreak in your kid’s life.


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | December 7, 2012 10:57 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    now there is an industry around dui and govt relie$ on that cash flow
    it’s only a matter of time till they realize they is money to be made in the sale of sightly used organs.

    they’ll get my liver from my cold, dead,…oh wait…


  44. coldwarrior
    44 | December 7, 2012 11:01 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    kill someone while driving drunk, no trial, straight to the chair.
    As a step-mom of a kid who, at 22, killed her best friend in a drunk driving accident a few years ago and currently resides in a FL prison, I can only hope you never have to visit that heartbreak in your kid’s life.

    sure hope i dont.

    that doenst change the fact that there is an industry around dui’s and that governments rely on money from fines. this causes the problem to never quite go away, always to be there as a cash cow.

    so instead, lets take speeding.

    lose you license for one year for every mph you are over. no bargains, no trials…no money for the towns either. my little burgh would lose thousands a quarter and have to lay off police whose job it is to simply nail speeders who are unaware of the trap.


  45. darkwords
    45 | December 7, 2012 11:02 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    There’s a study. I got the impression all of them are runaways.


  46. eaglesoars
    46 | December 7, 2012 11:03 pm

    Calo wrote:

    I can only hope you never have to visit that heartbreak in your kid’s life.

    My cousin’s daughter killed herself and two of her passengers. Senior prom.

    I hope your step-daughter is doing ok.


  47. eaglesoars
    47 | December 7, 2012 11:05 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    There’s a study. I got the impression all of them are runaways.

    I didn’t find any information in there one way or the other.


  48. brookly red
    48 | December 7, 2012 11:05 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    they’ll get my liver from my cold, dead,…oh wait…

    they have run out of things to tax… it is the logical next step. I am surprised O’s website doesn’t have a link where you can sign up to donate a kidney to help pay for Mooche’s next vacation.

    note the complete absence of a sarc tag.


  49. darkwords
    49 | December 7, 2012 11:05 pm

    @ 44 coldwarrior: I’d up the driving and drinking age unless someone was in the military. I always pushed the boundaries and never relented until a girlfriend threatened to leave me. I valued her enough that I finally stopped to stop about what the hell I was doing. I wish I had known earlier in life. Probably the only thing that would have made a dent in me is jail time or a scared straight scenario. something to deliver the reality home.


  50. eaglesoars
    50 | December 7, 2012 11:07 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    my little burgh would lose thousands a quarter and have to lay off police whose job it is to simply nail speeders who are unaware of the trap.

    I’m not so sure. There ain’t no cure for stupid -- or peer pressure. You can tell an 18 yr old till you’re blue in the face………..


  51. lobo91
    51 | December 7, 2012 11:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    The worst racket is those cameras.


  52. coldwarrior
    52 | December 7, 2012 11:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The worst racket is those cameras.

    oh boy…they were going to put those up in pgh and there was almost a freakin riot!

    the mayor backed off. the jig is up on those.


  53. coldwarrior
    53 | December 7, 2012 11:14 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    still doesnt change the fact that dui and speeding are cash cows never to be really fixed, just milked for all they are worth.

    they are a road tax paid to modern day highway men…your local traffic cop.


  54. darkwords
    54 | December 7, 2012 11:15 pm

    @ 52 coldwarrior: For me growing up the drinking always occured at a long distance from home that involved a long drive for a lot of people. What I like about England was all the neighborhood pubs with no parking. Everyone walked to the pub. And there was a community in the pub. You didn’t think about going to another pub.


  55. eaglesoars
    55 | December 7, 2012 11:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    The worst racket is those cameras.

    If the cameras don’t cheat I like them. THREE TIMES Hubby got camera tickets from the same damn camera and every time he admitted to speeding. I read him the riot act -- our auto insurance could skyrocket. He finally knocked it off. Whatever that burg got in fines would pale in comparison to what it would cost us in increased insurance.


  56. darkwords
    56 | December 7, 2012 11:16 pm

    @ 53 coldwarrior: like you say they don’t solve the problem. And a more serious measure might. We have repeat dui’s here on the order of 10 repeats and nothing is ever really done unless they cause an accident.


  57. coldwarrior
    57 | December 7, 2012 11:17 pm

    @ darkwords:

    yep.

    oh, and i have been SOOOOOOOO guilty of driving smashed, so no saint me!

    havent done it in years tho


  58. coldwarrior
    58 | December 7, 2012 11:18 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 53 coldwarrior: like you say they don’t solve the problem. And a more serious measure might. We have repeat dui’s here on the order of 10 repeats and nothing is ever really done unless they cause an accident.

    aint about solving the problem, its about making $$$.

    the ‘complaince-industrial complex’ loves this sort of thing.

    (if i may borrow from the good general)


  59. brookly red
    59 | December 7, 2012 11:19 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    still doesnt change the fact that dui and speeding are cash cows never to be really fixed, just milked for all they are worth.

    they are a road tax paid to modern day highway men…you local traffic cop.

    well yes, you get it. anytime the punishment for an infraction of anything is money paid to the gubermint it will be a cash cow.


  60. livefreeor die
    60 | December 7, 2012 11:20 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    from a previous thread.
    Try to keep up, m’kay?
    BTW, Calo reports that Lily is stable and they’ll be trying to get her off the breathing apparatus shortly. Probably already have as that report was around 7 pm

    Glad to hear she made it through surgery okay.


  61. coldwarrior
    61 | December 7, 2012 11:20 pm

    @ brookly red:

    jails/incarceration is a racket as well.

    90 days for a joint? puhleeze….cut his arm off instead!

    to paraphrase the late great hst


  62. darkwords
    62 | December 7, 2012 11:21 pm

    @ 57 coldwarrior:
    It’s important to train kids not to get in a car with a drunken driver. How to avoid the peer pressure. How to make a better choice. Call home no worries, or stay and sleep it off.

    I was the worst drunk and wouldn’t listen. Someone would probably have to punch me to have kept me from driving drunk.


  63. darkwords
    63 | December 7, 2012 11:24 pm

    Other advice for kids is never cook scallops for Gordon Ramsey.


  64. eaglesoars
    64 | December 7, 2012 11:24 pm

    Virginia DUI/DWI laws are tough

    A first offense DUI brings a mandatory fine of at least $250. Your driver’s license will be revoked for one year, and you’ll be required to install an ignition interlock device.

    That’s if you’re convicted. But DMV can (and probably will) suspend your license before you get to court.


  65. lobo91
    65 | December 7, 2012 11:24 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 53 coldwarrior: like you say they don’t solve the problem. And a more serious measure might. We have repeat dui’s here on the order of 10 repeats and nothing is ever really done unless they cause an accident.

    When I worked for the NM legislature back in the late ’90s, I remember a case that came up during a committee hearing on DUI laws.

    There was a guy in Santa Fe who had been convicted 48 times!


  66. darkwords
    66 | December 7, 2012 11:24 pm

    Off for the night. Best of prayers for Lily.


  67. coldwarrior
    67 | December 7, 2012 11:25 pm

    @ darkwords:

    i was good in high school.

    i used to tend bar early in my college career…go home at 0600 all smashed up after a long night work then the staff afters.

    i do miss the afters tho. that was fun. one of the locals would host it after hours and behind locked doors once or twice a week just for staff of all the bars/restaurants. good times.


  68. coldwarrior
    68 | December 7, 2012 11:26 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Other advice for kids is never cook scallops for Gordon Ramsey.

    true.


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | December 7, 2012 11:27 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Virginia DUI/DWI laws are tough
    A first offense DUI brings a mandatory fine of at least $250. Your driver’s license will be revoked for one year, and you’ll be required to install an ignition interlock device.
    That’s if you’re convicted. But DMV can (and probably will) suspend your license before you get to court.

    you get to pay the compliance industry…interlock device and lawyer, then you get to pay the state and local fines.

    its a racket.


  70. coldwarrior
    70 | December 7, 2012 11:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    There was a guy in Santa Fe who had been convicted 48 times!

    see, that is just absurd.


  71. eaglesoars
    71 | December 7, 2012 11:29 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    But you still lose your license.

    For some people it will make no difference, tho. There are always people who just get in the car and go.


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | December 7, 2012 11:31 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    But you still lose your license.
    For some people it will make no difference, tho. There are always people who just get in the car and go.

    temporarily.

    and yes, some peeps are just outliers.


  73. brookly red
    73 | December 7, 2012 11:31 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    jails/incarceration is a racket as well.

    90 days for a joint? puhleeze.

    where was it PA I think where the judges were actually caught and convicted of sentencing kids to a detention center for bogus reasons…
    some year ago I got a ticket for drinking a beer on the street. (walking) I told the judge it was entrapment. I walked out of a hot subway, saw a neon sign (which requires an expensive permit) saying cold beer… I bought one (and paid tax on it) which had no warning on it that I couldn’t actually drink it. And got the ticket as soon as I walked out the store… the judge laughed fined me one dollar.


  74. eaglesoars
    74 | December 7, 2012 11:33 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    where was it PA I think where the judges were actually caught and convicted of sentencing kids to a detention center for bogus reasons…

    Yep. There were kickbacks involved somehow.


  75. coldwarrior
    75 | December 7, 2012 11:33 pm

    @ brookly red:

    justice from a level headed judge.


  76. lobo91
    76 | December 7, 2012 11:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    There was a guy in Santa Fe who had been convicted 48 times!

    see, that is just absurd.

    Nobody could figure out how the guy hadn’t been locked up years before. As it turned out, it was a combination of good defense lawyers and crappy work by the courts.

    In order to convict someone of a subsequent offense, that carries serious prison time, the prior convictions have to be entered into evidence. Otherwise, it goes down as a first offense. That’s what happened with this guy. He was convicted 48 times as a first offender, because the paperwork was never done properly.


  77. coldwarrior
    77 | December 7, 2012 11:35 pm

    @ brookly red:
    @ brookly red:

    its an industry.

    the state loses revenue on murder, not so much on other crimes and misdemeanors


  78. coldwarrior
    78 | December 7, 2012 11:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That’s what happened with this guy. He was convicted 48 times as a first offender, because the paperwork was never done properly.

    causing him to pay 48 fines???

    instead of simply going to jail after oh, say the 3rd one or so?


  79. eaglesoars
    79 | December 7, 2012 11:36 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the state loses revenue on murder

    which is why they always go for the plea


  80. lobo91
    80 | December 7, 2012 11:39 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    But you still lose your license.

    For some people it will make no difference, tho. There are always people who just get in the car and go.

    I remember a story on the news some time back where they were talking about people with these insane numbers of unpaid parking tickets in NYC (like hundreds of them). Apparently, the worst punishment on the books for not paying parking tickets was suspending their license.

    And guess what the penalty for driving on a suspended license was?

    Suspending their license.

    There was some woman whose license had been suspended something like 67 times.

    I assumt that they’ve since changed the law.


  81. eaglesoars
    81 | December 7, 2012 11:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I assumt that they’ve since changed the law.

    In NYC??

    Doubtful.

    Just don’t try to drink a Big Gulp


  82. lobo91
    82 | December 7, 2012 11:41 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    causing him to pay 48 fines???

    instead of simply going to jail after oh, say the 3rd one or so?

    Exactly.

    I think the 3rd conviction was supposed to be a class D felony with a mandatory year in prison, but he’d never spent more than some minimal time in jail, because the system was screwed up.


  83. coldwarrior
    83 | December 7, 2012 11:42 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Just don’t try to drink a Big Gulp

    aaaa!

    :lol:

    real crime there!


  84. coldwarrior
    84 | December 7, 2012 11:46 pm

    @ lobo91:

    48 fines paid versus jail time.

    the govt would rather have the $$$ fer sure.


  85. eaglesoars
    85 | December 8, 2012 12:01 am

    Mark Steyn at his best.

    …the equally radiant president of the United States nurses his ever more swollen debt belly. He and his family are about to jet off on their Christmas vacation to watch America slide off the fiscal cliff from the luxury beach resort of Kailua. The cost to taxpayers of flying one man, his wife, two daughters, and a dog to Hawaii is estimated at $3,639,622. For purposes of comparison, the total bill for flying the entire royal family (Queen, princes, dukes, the works) around the world for a year is £4.7 million — or about enough for two Obama vacations.

    The Royal Presidency


  86. coldwarrior
    86 | December 8, 2012 12:02 am

    i guess this is the oot…

    some tunes, the neon trees

    check it aht, yinz!


  87. coldwarrior
    87 | December 8, 2012 12:08 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    if yer gonna play that one…


  88. Calo
    88 | December 8, 2012 12:10 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Bah! Give me a ratcoon any night on the OOT


  89. brookly red
    89 | December 8, 2012 12:11 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mark Steyn at his best.

    …the equally radiant president of the United States nurses his ever more swollen debt belly. He and his family are about to jet off on their Christmas vacation to watch America slide off the fiscal cliff from the luxury beach resort of Kailua. The cost to taxpayers of flying one man, his wife, two daughters, and a dog to Hawaii is estimated at $3,639,622. For purposes of comparison, the total bill for flying the entire royal family (Queen, princes, dukes, the works) around the world for a year is £4.7 million — or about enough for two Obama vacations.

    The Royal Presidency

    not so fast… http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/12/07/wh-petition-demands-obama-cancel-hawaii-vacation/


  90. lobo91
    90 | December 8, 2012 12:12 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    In contrast to the stingy remuneration offered by the royal household, the presidential dog-walker is one of 226 White House staff earning over $100,000 a year

    .

    I think that may be the most insane thing. We’re paying someone $100,000 a year to take care of one dog. It’s not even some fancy dog trained to sniff out bombs, or drugs (which is probably good in Obama’s case, but that’s another story). It’s not Lassie. It’s a family pet.


  91. coldwarrior
    91 | December 8, 2012 12:14 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Bah! Give me a ratcoon any night on the OOT

    a blast from the past.


  92. eaglesoars
    92 | December 8, 2012 12:18 am

    @ brookly red:

    Oh yeah, that’ll work………..


  93. rain of lead
    93 | December 8, 2012 12:20 am

    @ Calo:
    hey ya’ll
    how is everyone?
    calo, is lily ok?
    someone this morning was asking and I have been wondering


  94. brookly red
    94 | December 8, 2012 12:23 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Oh yeah, that’ll work………..

    of course it won’t work… but as Rand Paul said, let them own it.


  95. coldwarrior
    95 | December 8, 2012 12:25 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    hey ya’ll

    yinz.

    :lol:


  96. coldwarrior
    96 | December 8, 2012 12:28 am

    these cats are kinda growin on me


  97. Calo
    97 | December 8, 2012 12:29 am

    @ rain of lead:
    I just called her nurse.

    Lily is extubated from the breathing machine. :smile:

    Excellent news. She is doing well.

    Thanks for asking {ROL}
    We’ve had enough bad news around here over the last month -- it’s time for some good instead.


  98. coldwarrior
    98 | December 8, 2012 12:30 am

    Calo wrote:

    Lily is extubated from the breathing machine. :smile:

    BOOM!!!

    the real recovery begins.


  99. rain of lead
    99 | December 8, 2012 12:31 am

    @ Calo:

    that is great news
    now
    since I’ve been a little out of pocket….
    wha happen to her?


  100. coldwarrior
    100 | December 8, 2012 12:31 am

    Calo wrote:

    We’ve had enough bad news around here over the last month — it’s time for some good instead.

    oops…forgot.

    mrs coldwarrior returns to work on neuro monday.

    no restrictions, no damage.

    EF 65%, she hit the gym today and in her words:
    “i’m 25 again”

    :)


  101. brookly red
    101 | December 8, 2012 12:31 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    I just called her nurse.

    Lily is extubated from the breathing machine.

    Excellent news. She is doing well.

    Thanks for asking {ROL}

    We’ve had enough bad news around here over the last month — it’s time for some good instead.

    thank you for the update.


  102. coldwarrior
    102 | December 8, 2012 12:32 am

    nothreat2u’s favorite ‘new’ song


  103. eaglesoars
    103 | December 8, 2012 12:35 am

    This is one of the most beautifully written pieces I’ve ever come across. How one young boy’s encounter w/John, Paul George and Ringo,on a caravan trip with his (dying) Dad all the way thru to when Lennon was murdered and the memories of his Dad.

    h/t instpundit.

    Everything matters

    “I’ve got a pal and he owes me a favour”, said Dad. I felt ashamed that I hadn’t even known that my father had any friends or who they were.

    “He works at a club down Matthew Street. He says if we arrive early enough, he’ll get us in and you can hide under my coat.”

    I almost had misgivings again, almost wishing I was back in my safe, warm, bedroom -- almost.

    We did what Dad said and he put me under his coat and the doorman, his pal, waved us past all the people waiting to get in.

    “We’ll need to keep you under cover young ‘un” said Bert, Dad’s pal, as he led me to a small room by the stairs where he gave me lemonade.

    “We’ll come and get you when the band is ready” said my Dad. “I’m going to have a talk with Bert. You’ll be okay here?”

    I would be.

    I had just finished my drink when there was a knock at the door, followed by it opening.

    “Hey Paul, look what I’ve found, the Cavern has little people living under the stairs. What are you doing here, son?”

    I told him I was waiting on the band and that my Dad was coming to get me.

    “And what band would that be son?”

    I shrugged and the man seemed to find that funny. His pal, Paul came over to have a look at me.

    “You’re right John, that is one of the little people. You’ve got to be lucky to see them” and then he rubbed my head.

    John said it was his band that was playing and I said I was sorry. He said not as sorry as he was and asked did I want to come to their dressing room? Although on second thoughts, John said, there was probably more room under the stairs.

    So I went with John and Paul and met the other two, George and Pete. They were all fooling around and didn’t seem to be in anyway nervous. John asked me what I wanted to do “That is, when you stop being one of the little people.”

    I told him I wanted to be a writer and he said that was probably the best job in the world next to being in a band, especially his band, and he went into his jacket and gave me his pen.

    “If anyone asks, tell them John Lennon gave it to you.”

    My Dad died, just after Christmas, that year.

    He left me with the best present that I have ever received in my life. He took me out of my room and locked the door so I couldn’t go back in. So what if I got hurt? That was the price you paid for being out there, that was the price we all paid, and the other thing he gave me was the belief that nothing is ever in vain, nothing.

    On the thirtieth anniversary of John Lennon’s death, I flew to New York and walked through Central Park and climbed the hill to Strawberry Fields. There was a little boy about ten and his Dad listening to the music of Lennon and I took out the pen and I handed it to them:

    “John Lennon gave me this.”

    Everything matters.


  104. eaglesoars
    104 | December 8, 2012 12:37 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    w/John, Paul George and RingoPETE,

    habit


  105. Calo
    105 | December 8, 2012 12:39 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Crap, my EF is only 40% after CRT 5 months ago.

    But, I got 7 months to go to reach my peak efficiency.

    @ rain of lead:
    Lily had triple bypass heart surgery today.
    It was a bit tricky as she has vascular disease as well and the docs had some trouble finding suitable grafts for her heart.

    Kudos to her surgeon.

    This calls for a glass of wine in a bottle that has been sitting idle on my counter for weeks now.

    Drink up quickly, before I do.


  106. coldwarrior
    106 | December 8, 2012 12:39 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    we know.

    nice story.


  107. coldwarrior
    107 | December 8, 2012 12:40 am

    Calo wrote:

    Kudos to her surgeon.

    This calls for a glass of wine in a bottle that has been sitting idle on my counter for weeks now.

    Drink up quickly, before I do.

    i have the rabbit to open and some waterford crystal…


  108. Calo
    108 | December 8, 2012 12:42 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    My heart aches.

    I do miss her so much.

    Such a feisty, fearless soul we lost.


  109. coldwarrior
    109 | December 8, 2012 12:44 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Crap, my EF is only 40% after CRT 5 months ago.

    But, I got 7 months to go to reach my peak efficiency.

    mrs coldwarrior has a 40 or so yr old heart, plenty of collateral circulation, and was 100% blocked on RCA with zero other blocks.

    event to cath time was 35 minutes, the entire upper echelon of the cardio team at our hospital was there for the cath. the head of the cardio department placed the stent, his second was the lead attending for interventional cardiology.

    18mm stent, a big un.

    i got to watch as i was upstairs on the stroke unit and got called down.


  110. coldwarrior
    110 | December 8, 2012 12:46 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    My heart aches.
    I do miss her so much.
    Such a feisty, fearless soul we lost.

    i play that song she loved real loud when it comes on.

    we have her daughter watching our kids. we will help take care of her. she needs it now.


  111. rain of lead
    111 | December 8, 2012 12:47 am

    @ Calo:
    ‘indeed
    miss calo,
    you need to get busy and find some more feisty women to post here
    mars the blog needs women


  112. eaglesoars
    112 | December 8, 2012 12:53 am

    @ rain of lead:

    There are LOTS of women here!


  113. coldwarrior
    113 | December 8, 2012 12:55 am


  114. eaglesoars
    114 | December 8, 2012 12:59 am

    gotta go. Molly the Beagle is up. It’s going to be a ‘sick’ nite


  115. Calo
    115 | December 8, 2012 1:00 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yes, you were lucky as was Mrs CW smart enough to drag herself into ER for chest pain. (I think?)

    Not enough women do so, their chest pain tends to present itself as atypical from a normal man’s type of chest pain that is presented in literature. Therefore, the symptoms of heart disease in women are easily dismissed as something else.

    I saw this happen here one night with Lily.

    One blogger indicated her “spell” (Southern Speak) and symptoms as anxiety or indigestion.

    In reality, it was a symptom of a bigger issue.


  116. coldwarrior
    116 | December 8, 2012 1:04 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yes, you were lucky as was Mrs CW smart enough to drag herself into ER for chest pain. (I think?)
    Not enough women do so, their chest pain tends to present itself as atypical from a normal man’s type of chest pain that is presented in literature. Therefore, the symptoms of heart disease in women are easily dismissed as something else.
    I saw this happen here one night with Lily.
    One blogger indicated her “spell” (Southern Speak) and symptoms as anxiety or indigestion.
    In reality, it was a symptom of a bigger issue.

    ah, no. mrs cw complained for one year to her pcp and me about the standard pre-MI symptoms.

    shortness of breath, lethargy, not feeling ‘right’ und so weiter

    we both missed it. pcp missed it huge.

    he and i had a talk the other day as he was on my floor. he wont miss these again. ;)


  117. coldwarrior
    117 | December 8, 2012 1:05 am

    Calo wrote:

    Not enough women do so, their chest pain tends to present itself as atypical from a normal man’s type of chest pain that is presented in literature. Therefore, the symptoms of heart disease in women are easily dismissed as something else.

    which is true.

    conversely, not enough of the pcp’s check the heart.

    its always the thyroid….


  118. coldwarrior
    118 | December 8, 2012 1:07 am


  119. Calo
    119 | December 8, 2012 1:11 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    My heart aches.
    I do miss her so much.
    Such a feisty, fearless soul we lost.

    i play that song she loved real loud when it comes on.

    we have her daughter watching our kids. we will help take care of her. she needs it now.

    Meh!

    I don’t know what to say to her daughter.

    What do you say?
    Your mom made me laugh, made me cry, made me pray.
    She touched my soul even though I never met her in person.

    We promised to tell each other stories over the picnic table when we ran off to the mountains together.

    Someday…


  120. coldwarrior
    120 | December 8, 2012 1:16 am

    @ Calo:

    my little ones are some small therapy for nothreat’s daughter.

    the puti told her ‘i love you, you are my best friend’

    of course the puti sez everyone is her best friend, but she does love ‘S’. the twins just love to be with her too.

    mrs coldwarrior and i kinda watch over her. we overpay her wages by ‘tips’ and try to help out where we can.


  121. coldwarrior
    121 | December 8, 2012 1:18 am

    Calo wrote:

    What do you say?
    Your mom made me laugh, made me cry, made me pray.
    She touched my soul even though I never met her in person.

    see, we all got together a decent amount of times, so there is nothing that really needs to be said. we all get it.

    she cries on our shoulders once in awhile, we do our best.


  122. coldwarrior
    122 | December 8, 2012 1:23 am


  123. rain of lead
    123 | December 8, 2012 1:58 am

    @ Calo:

    here is what you say

    “your mom was my friend”

    what more needs to be said.

    nite ya’ll


  124. Calo
    124 | December 8, 2012 2:10 am

    @ rain of lead:

    rainoflead:

    Sorry, your salutations of sympathy have been rejected by
    Hallmark Greeting Cards.
    Please resubmit.

    {ROL} Thanks, goodnight.


  125. 125 | December 8, 2012 2:13 am

    Looks like I missed the conversation by a minute.


  126. 126 | December 8, 2012 3:08 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Had to take yesterday off for switching hotels and other matters, so now I have tto work all day today to make up for it. Bummer. And I’ll probably spend the entire day trying to get this pathetic (but extremely expensive) software to draw a decent map, with a 50 % chance of not succeeding. The core functionality of the software (geocellular modeling and stochastic modelling) is pretty good, but the added on bits for things like seismic interpretation and mapping simply suck, even when compared to the same vendor’s old Unix/Linux products. This is what happens when you try to cram everything into one package.

    Sorry, no real gun stuff of interest this morning…


  127. 127 | December 8, 2012 5:24 am

    BTW, that’s a pretty dead-on cartoon up top…


  128. 128 | December 8, 2012 7:02 am

    Wasteful spending? There’s an app for that.

    Charlie Crist joins Dems.


  129. Speranza
    129 | December 8, 2012 7:16 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    Charlie Crist joins Dems.

    He should take Colin Powell with him.


  130. waldensianspirit
    130 | December 8, 2012 7:23 am

    Bill Murray as a sexcapading FDR
    Media involvement


  131. 132 | December 8, 2012 8:00 am

    Here is my plan: give every moocher $1,000,000 to move to somewhere in the african continent but they must renounce citizenship and may not return, neither may their immediate family (group deal). So this doesn’t sound racist, we make the same deal to Dead White Democrats. I would suggest Mexicans too, but they have already proven that they aren’t going to honor the border :)
    Sure it will be expensive, but think of the votes the Dems will lose!


  132. Storagemanager
    133 | December 8, 2012 8:19 am

    It cannot be underscored enough when digesting the story below that the wife of Egypt’s President, Mohammed Morsi, and the mother of Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff – Huma Abedin – are close colleagues as leaders in the Muslim Sisterhood. Barack Obama has also defended Huma.

    Now, with that as a backdrop, a question: Why is the Obama administration sending tanks and fighter jets to Mohammed Morsi’s regime?
    http://shoebat.com/2012/12/08/muslim-brotherhoods-mohammed-morsi-in-distress-obama-administration-sending-reinforcements/


  133. Storagemanager
    134 | December 8, 2012 8:38 am

    US extends waivers on Iran sanctions to Turkey, China

    The United States granted 180-day waivers on Iran sanctions to Turkey, and a number of other countries on Friday in exchange for their cutting purchases of oil from Iran.
    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-300537-us-extends-waivers-on-iran-sanctions-to-turkey-china.html


  134. Storagemanager
    135 | December 8, 2012 8:40 am

    The Muslim Brotherhood is the name of a world-wide Sunni Islamist movement, which has spawned several religious and political organizations in the Middle East, including Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, dedicated to the jihadi credo: “God is our objective, the Quran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, struggle is our way, and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations.” It should be noted that al Qaeda’s number two, Ayman al-Zawahri, joined the Muslim Brotherhood at age fourteen. It should also be noted that the Muslim Brotherhood was responsible for the assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. The Muslim Brotherhood was conceived in 1928 by Hasan al-Banna, a 22-year-old elementary school teacher, as a fundamentalist Islamic movement in the aftermath of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the subsequent ban of the caliphate system. Al-Banna believed that Islam was not only a religious dogma but an all-inclusive way of life. Al-Banna based his fundamentalism on the tenets of Wahhabism, supplementing the radically fundamentalist Islamic education for the Society’s male students with jihadi training http://www.newmediajournal.us/


  135. 136 | December 8, 2012 8:59 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    <blockquote>Books such as JD Salinger’s Catcher in the Rye and Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird will be replaced by “informational texts” approved by the Common Core State Standards.

    Suggested non-fiction texts include Recommended Levels of Insulation by the the US Environmental Protection Agency, and the Invasive Plant Inventory, by California’s Invasive Plant Council.

    On the upside, their indoctrination texts sound so damned boring that they could well be ineffective.


  136. lobo91
    137 | December 8, 2012 10:34 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Of course, that raises the question of what is “nonfiction” these days.

    They’ll probably make Earth in the Balance and Dreams From My Father required reading (assuming they aren’t already).


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