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WE REMEMBER – 7 December 1941
by Bunk X ( 66 Comments › )Filed under History, Japan, Military, U.S. Navy, World, World War II at December 7th, 2012 - 2:00 am
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We're not easily offended and don't want people to think they have to walk on eggshells around here (like at another place that shall remain nameless) but of course, there is a limit to everything.
Play nice!
As the late Richard Pryor put it: “Did you hear what them Little Yellow Bastards did? Shit they bombed Pearl Harbor! We gonna have to clean their clocks.”
AND WE DID.
Blame the U.S. State Department for that, not the Japanese.
May mother was cryptographer in Naval Intellegence, specializing in Japanese codes a full year before the war. That’s all she ever told anyone and took whatever she knew to the grave.
My dad went to war with japan for two years and lived it every night for 50..
NO one declared that Shinto was a Religion of Peace®. They were serious about winning World War Two.
@ Iron Fist:
Japs were suicide bombers long before mo got off his knees.
@ Storagemanager:
Yp, but we beat them and they are civilized now. We should ave nuked Afghanistan. That would have sent a message. Instead, we are turning the place back over to the Taliban in a little over a year. That, too, sends a message.
@ Iron Fist:
We really need a Japan with that type of attitude again today. The war-fighting gene in the Mongolians is second to none, and I think the Japanese took most of the warrior instinct with them.
Sunni vs Shia in the middle east….( NOT )
@ bluliner10:
Yeah, it looks like it’ll be Japan versus China in the Pacific, especially after Obama bows out of us having an influence.
Iron Fist wrote:
The nature of our enemies really hasn’t changed, the only difference between the Muslims and the Japanese (and the Germans, for that matter) is that the Japanese and Germans had better uniforms and their own technology.
It is WE that have changed; we simply cannot, as a nation, fathom the concept of “foreign enemy” any longer.
@ Iron Fist:
If Japan reclaims even the slightest bit of their history, China would be finished. Working with the JSDF, there were always a few who were different. In their hearts they were Japanese Army. I liked them a lot.
My great aunt was at Pearl. She went out & took footage of the attack. I’d hoped to be able to get that back, but none of my Congresscritters has been able to get it from DoD (War Dep’t) or whoever she gave it to.
It’s sad that the attacks of 9/11 haven’t sparked the long-term outrage that Dec 7 did, and that more Americans don’t realize that whether we say it or not, there’s a sizable minority of Muslims who are at war with us.
Storagemanager wrote:
Pay ‘em the blood money, but make sure you’ve dripped pig fat all over it. Or film the extortion so the cops at least know who to go after. That’d probably just get you dead, though.
@ mfhorn:
Japan, Germany and Italy were the enemy. It was easy. We did not split hairs nor did we attempt to separate the actions of a few from the greater ideology of the many.
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mfhorn wrote:
I could be wrong, but I’d venture to say that there’s a larger percentage of Muslims that feel they’re personally at war with the U.S., than there were Japanese.
bluliner10 wrote:
Both Italy and Nazi Germany saw themselves as the new Rome…
Also..this day in history
71 years and the Nazi party is still the news
bluliner10 wrote:
Exactly. We didn’t try to bomb just the Japanese and German Armies, either. We went after their cities, their infrastructure, and their whole war-making capacity. In our current war we haven’t even cut into their birth rate. They are cranking out new Jihadis quicker than we are willing to kill them off.
bluliner10 wrote:
I bought a Volkswagen Beetle in 1971 and my parents, both of who were WWII vets, were absolutely outraged….as they were when I later bought a Honda. If I had a dollar for every time one of my parents remarked “the only good Jap (or German/Kraut) is a dead one”.
That’s the spirit and sheer will to win that won that war. People who now want to engage in self-recrimination about US interment camps and our “racism” toward the Japanese are a large part of our current problem.
And just because tomorrow is Caturday…
@ Iron Fist:
Members of the Muslim brotherhood sit in the White house…just saying..
MacDuff wrote:
The funny part…the Demorats did that.
Iron Fist wrote:
Dogs need equal time around here; perhaps every Sunday afternoon can be “Dog Day Afternoon”.
MacDuff wrote:
My dog is spoiled rotten everyday.
Storagemanager wrote:
WWII was the last war the Democrats actually fought to win……and many seem to have felt guilty about it ever since.
MacDuff wrote:
Obama …”I’m always worried about using the word ‘victory,’ because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur,”
Storagemanager wrote:
The islamist rebels will use them on civilians, our government and the media will report that Assad used the weapons and will commence combat operations without congressional approval.
Remember Benghazi was about a video.
Government officials will be on every talk show discussing Assad’s use of chemical weapons.
I hope Israel will grant his wish
@ Prebanned:
America…we fight for the SUNNI…
@ Prebanned:
The cloud of bullshit that enshrouds this administration makes me highly skeptical of everything. It’s not that the political wing is pulling the strings, it’s that there’s nothing else BUT political wing.
@ Storagemanager:
Democrats did slavery and segregation, too, but they have blamed them on the Republicans ever since. If you just paid attention to the press you’d think Lincoln was a Democat and Jefferson Davis was a Republican. Bull Connor, Orvil Faubus, all of the bad guys from the Civil Rights era were Democrats. Eisenhower, who desegregated schools at bayonet point was a Republican. So naturally the blacks vote in overwhelming majorities for the party of segregation. Makes me wonder how much the average black person actually opposed such things back in the day. Martin Luther King dreamed of a society where his children would be judged by the content of their character, but your average black person today seems more than content to be judged by the color of their skin.
MacDuff wrote:
We are indeed in a time of hip waders and shovels…Truth must be dug out of a pile of crap 6 feet high.
Storagemanager wrote:
Going backward.
We need more competition, less overhead.
Human progress is a function of efficiency.
If it makes money, tax and regulate it, if it doesn’t and its union, subsidize it.
@ MacDuff:
It is, as I have noted before, not that they are adverse to the truth, but rather that truth holds no special valuue for them. A lie, if it suits their purpose, is more valuable than the truth. Most people in Western society are different than this. To most people in Western society, the truth is more important than the results. Our entire legal system is built on the truth having special, superior value. Democrats simply do not feel this way. Neither do Islamists.
Iron Fist wrote:
To the Democrats, “truth” is just another tool to be used/abused as they see fit. Come to think of it, most Democrats are tools, themselves.
Funny how that works out….
@ MacDuff:
What is worse is that many dims know the media and government are lying and do not care because of thier envy and hate.
@ Iron Fist:Abandoning thier race for personal gain.
@ MacDuff:
The Democrats are actually very reactionary. Take race, racism, and segregation. They are extreme racists, viewing everything through a prism of race. They want a better form of segregation in the form of Affirmative Action, but again everything that a person is can be boiled down to their gross “racial” characteristics. People are not to be viewed as individuals, but as part of roups, which are played against one another to gain political advantage. It is very tribalistic, the world that these so-called Progressives want to create.
Obama..we must have a Sunni caliphate
@ Iron Fist:
The motivations to join the progressive tribe include personal gain and envy.
Remember the OWS collective cooks whining about the amount of work they had too do because there was no work ethic present in the majority of the Occupiers?
@ Storagemanager:
Obama’s going to do everything he can to keep Morsi in power. That is the real Arab Spring: totalitarian Islamist dictatorship. That is Obama’s vision for the Middle East.
Christie
sucksmeets ObamaIron Fist wrote:
Only through division (i.e. “diversity”) do they gain strength. That all-to-brief moment after 9/11 when our country was united, and much of the world was united behind us was likely terrifying for them. They immediately set about decrying “Islamophobia” and, scarcely seven years after 9/11, rallied behind Barack Hussein Obama for president.
Good God, It still stuns me when I think about it. It would have been like electing a man who was half Japanese, with a Japanese name in 1948.
Iron Fist wrote:
At the beginning of this “Arab Spring” BS I remarked it evoked far more “Tehran” than “Yorktown”, but it’s actually worse than I expected.
@ MacDuff:
Evil rules the day…as was foretold.
Prebanned wrote:
And, as usual, they were so intoxicated by their own righteousness that introspection never even occurred to them. They’ve a lot in common with Muslims on that count.
MacDuff wrote:
Yes it does….and by the way for those that think Iran will do anything to save Syria….Shia endtimes say Syria and Baghdad must be destroyed before the coming of the Mahdi.
MacDuff wrote:
After having not beaten Japan in World War Two, but fought a more limited campaign to make the Japanese feel better about themselves. It is inane. Everything in all of military history shows that to defeat the enemy you have to be willing to do what it takes to break his will and ability to fight. We, instead, went to “war” to increase the Mohammedans’ self-esteem. We refuse to even name the enemy. We refuse to treat them as the enemy. If we had made war on our enemy, we would have won it long before now, but making “war” the way we have and are we are instead losing the war. This is as B. Hussein wants it. Iraq was essentially won, and he managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory even there, and the American people meekly went along with it.
@ Iron Fist:
Good morning!
How was Iraq won? We created a Shia Theocracy aligned with Iran. Militarily it was a victory, but it was a strategic/political loss.
New Thread.
Rodan wrote:
That’s won. If we had followed up the Iraq invasion with an Invasion of Iran, the whole Middle East would be in better shape today. We wouldn’t be facing the specter of Nuclear War that we are facing today. Victory in Iraq did not require us to set up a model Jeffersonian democracy in Iraq. Part of strategy is defining the conditions of victory. Going into the Iraq War we had a clear definition: elimiation of Saddam Hussein as dictator and the removal of Iraq as terrorist threat. We accomplished that. It was Colin Powell and his “YOu broke it , you own it” redefinition of the conditions for victory that cost us. But still, we had developed a relatively stable nation in Iraq, and we still had bases of operation for use against Iran at the end of the Bush Administration. It was Obama that threw these away. Obama has made it plain that his operational goal is a nuclear Iran. That is how he defines victory. Some would call that treason, others insane. I think it can easily be both.
Rodan wrote:
Since Korea and Vietnam, the military has won wars only to have their victories overturned by the State Department. Iraq was no different.
Iron Fist wrote:
Don’t forget “genocidal.” He knows damn well that an Iranian nuke is the most important rock in a bury-Israel avalanche.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Yes, Obama is an anti-Semite. That is clear from his clear antipathy toweards Israel, and his foreign policy goals in that venue. If Susan Rice doesn’t make it as Sec State, I expect him to nominate Samantha Powers, who would be worse.