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WE REMEMBER – 7 December 1941

by Bunk X ( 66 Comments › )
Filed under History, Japan, Military, U.S. Navy, World, World War II at December 7th, 2012 - 2:00 am

Hawaii Time 7:53AM Sunday 7 December 1941

There was NO Declaration of War until after the attack.

 

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  1. 1 | December 7, 2012 2:51 am

    As the late Richard Pryor put it: “Did you hear what them Little Yellow Bastards did? Shit they bombed Pearl Harbor! We gonna have to clean their clocks.”
    AND WE DID.


  2. Da_Beerfreak
    2 | December 7, 2012 4:50 am

    There was NO Declaration of War until after the attack.

    Blame the U.S. State Department for that, not the Japanese. :evil:


  3. 3 | December 7, 2012 6:42 am

    May mother was cryptographer in Naval Intellegence, specializing in Japanese codes a full year before the war. That’s all she ever told anyone and took whatever she knew to the grave.


  4. Storagemanager
    4 | December 7, 2012 7:27 am

    Video Shows Syrian Islamist Rebels Testing Chemicals Weapons On Rabbits, Threatens To Use Them Against Alawites……Will Obama intervene on Assad’s behalf if the rebels use WMD? http://weaselzippers.us/2012/12/06/video-shows-syrian-islamist-rebels-testing-chemicals-weapons-on-rabbits-threatens-to-use-them-against-alawites/


  5. Storagemanager
    5 | December 7, 2012 7:29 am

    My dad went to war with japan for two years and lived it every night for 50..


  6. Storagemanager
    6 | December 7, 2012 7:33 am

    Muslims like to brag that theirs is the fastest-growing religion,
    but don’t like to say how. Last week in Pakistan, a 70-year-old
    Christian missionary (above) was shot in the neck for preaching
    a faith other than Islam, and a 14-year-old Christian girl was
    kidnapped, raped for eleven days and then ‘converted’ to
    the Religion of Peace with the approval of a local imam. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


  7. 7 | December 7, 2012 7:36 am

    NO one declared that Shinto was a Religion of Peace®. They were serious about winning World War Two.


  8. Storagemanager
    8 | December 7, 2012 7:39 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Japs were suicide bombers long before mo got off his knees.


  9. 9 | December 7, 2012 7:48 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Yp, but we beat them and they are civilized now. We should ave nuked Afghanistan. That would have sent a message. Instead, we are turning the place back over to the Taliban in a little over a year. That, too, sends a message.


  10. bluliner10
    10 | December 7, 2012 7:51 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    We really need a Japan with that type of attitude again today. The war-fighting gene in the Mongolians is second to none, and I think the Japanese took most of the warrior instinct with them.


  11. Storagemanager
    11 | December 7, 2012 7:53 am

    I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; and they have divided up My land. —Joel 3:2…….What are you to Me, O Tyre, Sidon and all the regions of Philistia? Are you rendering Me a recompense? But if you do recompense Me, swiftly and speedily I will return your recompense on your head. —Joel 3:4……….Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom a desolate wilderness, Because of violence against the people of Judah, for they have shed innocent blood in their land. But Judah will be inhabited forever And Jerusalem for all generations. And I will avenge their blood which I have not avenged, For the LORD dwells in Zion.
    —Joel 3:19-21


  12. Storagemanager
    12 | December 7, 2012 7:56 am

    Sunni vs Shia in the middle east….( NOT )

    Sunni-Shi’ite jihad comes to Australia: Shootings, extortions, and threats in Sydney

    “But we have to stand up to these guys or else they will take over completely.” Indeed so.

    “Sydney’s violent wild, wild west,” by Mark Morri for The Daily Telegraph, December 7 (thanks to James):

    SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence is so out of control in south-west Sydney that residents and children are seeking medical help for post-traumatic stress disorders.
    Gangs from opposing religious sects are also extorting money from restaurants in the area with at least three premises fire-bombed or shot at in the past few weeks.

    Gee, Mark, which religious sects? Baptists and Methodists? Calvinists and Arminians?

    Police have confirmed they have set up a special taskforce to investigate the shootings.
    “There are a number of shooting incidents at restaurants in the Bankstown area we are looking at,” said Detective Superintendent Debbie Wallace, head of the Middle Eastern Crime Squad.
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/


  13. 13 | December 7, 2012 7:59 am

    @ bluliner10:

    Yeah, it looks like it’ll be Japan versus China in the Pacific, especially after Obama bows out of us having an influence.


  14. 14 | December 7, 2012 8:02 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:

    Yp, but we beat them and they are civilized now. We should ave nuked Afghanistan. That would have sent a message. Instead, we are turning the place back over to the Taliban in a little over a year. That, too, sends a message.

    The nature of our enemies really hasn’t changed, the only difference between the Muslims and the Japanese (and the Germans, for that matter) is that the Japanese and Germans had better uniforms and their own technology.

    It is WE that have changed; we simply cannot, as a nation, fathom the concept of “foreign enemy” any longer.


  15. bluliner10
    15 | December 7, 2012 8:07 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    If Japan reclaims even the slightest bit of their history, China would be finished. Working with the JSDF, there were always a few who were different. In their hearts they were Japanese Army. I liked them a lot.


  16. 16 | December 7, 2012 8:09 am

    My great aunt was at Pearl. She went out & took footage of the attack. I’d hoped to be able to get that back, but none of my Congresscritters has been able to get it from DoD (War Dep’t) or whoever she gave it to.

    It’s sad that the attacks of 9/11 haven’t sparked the long-term outrage that Dec 7 did, and that more Americans don’t realize that whether we say it or not, there’s a sizable minority of Muslims who are at war with us.


  17. 17 | December 7, 2012 8:12 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Gangs from opposing religious sects are also extorting money from restaurants in the area with at least three premises fire-bombed or shot at in the past few weeks.

    Pay ‘em the blood money, but make sure you’ve dripped pig fat all over it. Or film the extortion so the cops at least know who to go after. That’d probably just get you dead, though.


  18. bluliner10
    18 | December 7, 2012 8:12 am

    @ mfhorn:
    Japan, Germany and Italy were the enemy. It was easy. We did not split hairs nor did we attempt to separate the actions of a few from the greater ideology of the many.


  19. Storagemanager
    19 | December 7, 2012 8:14 am

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    The US is trying to prevent Russia from recreating a new version of the Soviet Union under the ruse of economic integration, Hillary Clinton warned on Thursday.

    “There is a move to re-Sovietise the region,” the US secretary of state told a news conference in Dublin hours before going into a meeting with her Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov.
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a5b15b14-3fcf-11e2-9f71-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2EN5pBd8j


  20. 20 | December 7, 2012 8:15 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    It’s sad that the attacks of 9/11 haven’t sparked the long-term outrage that Dec 7 did, and that more Americans don’t realize that whether we say it or not, there’s a sizable minority of Muslims who are at war with us.

    I could be wrong, but I’d venture to say that there’s a larger percentage of Muslims that feel they’re personally at war with the U.S., than there were Japanese.


  21. Storagemanager
    21 | December 7, 2012 8:16 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ mfhorn:
    Japan, Germany and Italy were the enemy. It was easy. We did not split hairs nor did we attempt to separate the actions of a few from the greater ideology of the many.

    Both Italy and Nazi Germany saw themselves as the new Rome…

    Ecclesiastes 1:9…What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun


  22. Storagemanager
    22 | December 7, 2012 8:20 am

    Also..this day in history

    Within two days 80% of the Jews living in the ghetto (25,000 people) were shot including the famous historian Simon Dubnow who was shot by a former student of his, now a Gestapo officer. His dying message to fellow Jews was: “Yidn, shreibt un farshreibt!” (“Jews, write and record!”).


  23. Storagemanager
    23 | December 7, 2012 8:23 am

    71 years and the Nazi party is still the news

    German state ministers call for ban on neo-Nazi party http://www.ejpress.org/article/63868


  24. 24 | December 7, 2012 8:24 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    We did not split hairs nor did we attempt to separate the actions of a few from the greater ideology of the many.

    Exactly. We didn’t try to bomb just the Japanese and German Armies, either. We went after their cities, their infrastructure, and their whole war-making capacity. In our current war we haven’t even cut into their birth rate. They are cranking out new Jihadis quicker than we are willing to kill them off.


  25. Storagemanager
    25 | December 7, 2012 8:25 am

    I recall in my youth thinking that the Civil War (1861-1865) was ancient history. As with most children, anything that occurred before my birth was “ancient.” In point of fact, the Civil War had ended just 72 years before I was born in 1937 and there were likely some men still alive who had fought in it or recalled it as youth.

    I suspect that the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, December 7, 1941, the day that Franklin Delano Roosevelt said “will live in infamy” is ancient history to several recent generations of Americans, many of whom are the aging baby boomers, the children born after our troops returned home, married, and began to raise families after 1945, the year World War II ended.

    What I fear most is that the children and grandchildren of those baby boomers may not even know what occurred on that Sunday morning 71 years ago.

    The general ignorance of Americans about their own history comes with its own price. Forgetting or never knowing that a long Cold War was fought with the Soviet Union from the end of World War II until its collapse in 1991 has left this nation with a President whose ideology concerning capitalism and centralized government closely mirrors the communist empire America expended blood and treasure to defeat.

    Read more: Family Security Matters http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/is-pearl-harbor-ancient-history#ixzz2EN8qcrdY
    Under Creative Commons License: Attribution


  26. 26 | December 7, 2012 8:25 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ mfhorn:
    Japan, Germany and Italy were the enemy. It was easy. We did not split hairs nor did we attempt to separate the actions of a few from the greater ideology of the many.

    I bought a Volkswagen Beetle in 1971 and my parents, both of who were WWII vets, were absolutely outraged….as they were when I later bought a Honda. If I had a dollar for every time one of my parents remarked “the only good Jap (or German/Kraut) is a dead one”.

    That’s the spirit and sheer will to win that won that war. People who now want to engage in self-recrimination about US interment camps and our “racism” toward the Japanese are a large part of our current problem.


  27. 27 | December 7, 2012 8:25 am

    And just because tomorrow is Caturday


  28. Storagemanager
    28 | December 7, 2012 8:26 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Members of the Muslim brotherhood sit in the White house…just saying..


  29. Storagemanager
    29 | December 7, 2012 8:28 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    eople who now want to engage in self-recrimination about US interment camps and our “racism” toward the Japanese are a large part of our current problem.

    The funny part…the Demorats did that.


  30. 30 | December 7, 2012 8:29 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    And just because tomorrow is Caturday…

    Dogs need equal time around here; perhaps every Sunday afternoon can be “Dog Day Afternoon”.


  31. Storagemanager
    31 | December 7, 2012 8:31 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Dogs need equal time around here; perhaps every Sunday afternoon can be “Dog Day Afternoon”.

    My dog is spoiled rotten everyday.


  32. 32 | December 7, 2012 8:31 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    The funny part…the Demorats did that.

    WWII was the last war the Democrats actually fought to win……and many seem to have felt guilty about it ever since.


  33. Storagemanager
    33 | December 7, 2012 8:32 am

    American “civil rights” activists are an odd bunch. When a Klan member is arrested for plotting to bomb a black church, it’s a civil rights victory. But when a Muslim is arrested for plotting to bomb a Synagogue, then it’s an attack on Muslim civil rights.

    Ahmed Ferhani, who plotted to attack a synagogue, became the latest victim of “police entrapment”, in the sense that he was caught trying to kill lots of Jews by a police informant.
    In his plea statement, the man who would otherwise never have harmed a hair on a single head, boasted, “I intended to create chaos and send a message of intimidation and coercion to the Jewish population of New York City.” http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/entrapped-muslim-synagogue-bomber-boasts-of-sending-a-message-of-intimidation-to-the-jewish-population-of-new-york-city/


  34. Storagemanager
    34 | December 7, 2012 8:34 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    WWII was the last war the Democrats actually fought to win……and many seem to have felt guilty about it ever since.

    Obama …”I’m always worried about using the word ‘victory,’ because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur,”


  35. Prebanned
    35 | December 7, 2012 8:40 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Video Shows Syrian Islamist Rebels Testing Chemicals Weapons On Rabbits, Threatens To Use Them Against Alawites……Will Obama intervene on Assad’s behalf if the rebels use WMD? http://weaselzippers.us/2012/12/06/video-shows-syrian-islamist-rebels-testing-chemicals-weapons-on-rabbits-threatens-to-use-them-against-alawites/

    The islamist rebels will use them on civilians, our government and the media will report that Assad used the weapons and will commence combat operations without congressional approval.
    Remember Benghazi was about a video.
    Government officials will be on every talk show discussing Assad’s use of chemical weapons.


  36. Storagemanager
    36 | December 7, 2012 8:41 am

    I hope Israel will grant his wish

    Hamas’s exiled leader, Khaled Meshaal, said on his first-ever visit to the Gaza Strip on Friday that he hoped to become “a martyr” in the Palestinian territory. http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/12/07/253780.html


  37. Storagemanager
    37 | December 7, 2012 8:42 am

    @ Prebanned:
    America…we fight for the SUNNI…


  38. Storagemanager
    38 | December 7, 2012 8:44 am

    Blind Sheik Would Be Proud Of Egypt’s New Constitution

    12/06/2012 06:52 PM ET -- Islamofascism: Still intoxicated by their “Arab Spring” fairy tale, the media don’t see a problem with the Muslim Brotherhood’s proposed new constitution for Egypt. Apparently they haven’t read the fine print. ‘A quick glimpse at the articles show … there’s wording that prohibits arbitrary

    Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/IBDEditorials.aspx#ixzz2ENDdHVmS


  39. Storagemanager
    39 | December 7, 2012 8:45 am

    This may be the last Christmas of online shopping without paying sales tax.

    A proposed online sales tax has been offered as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, much to the ire of opponents.

    The Computer and Communications Industry Association, a group that opposes this move, says that an online sales tax will burden small businesses, “some of the most promising candidates for future economic growth.”

    “This proposal, and other online sales tax collection proposals like it, would allow states to penalize the innovative e-commerce business model by targeting small online businesses as convenient sources (and collectors) of revenue,” said CCIA President and CEO Ed Black.

    The Marketplace Fairness Act, and its House counterpart the Marketplace Equity Act, seek to clarify, and arguably overturn, a 1992 Supreme Court ruling that requires retailers to have a physical presence in a state in order to collect sales tax on goods.

    “Severing the relationship between taxation and physical presence would be a fundamental transformation in how we consider taxes,” Black continued. “Such a significant step deserves more extensive consideration than attachment to the unrelated Defense Authorization bill.”

    Still, a recent poll indicates that the majority of Americans support the idea, describing an online sales tax as “common sense”. They also feel that a tax for online purchases would encourage people to buy local and keep tax dollars in their community. http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/7690


  40. 40 | December 7, 2012 8:46 am

    @ Prebanned:

    The cloud of bullshit that enshrouds this administration makes me highly skeptical of everything. It’s not that the political wing is pulling the strings, it’s that there’s nothing else BUT political wing.


  41. 41 | December 7, 2012 8:49 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Democrats did slavery and segregation, too, but they have blamed them on the Republicans ever since. If you just paid attention to the press you’d think Lincoln was a Democat and Jefferson Davis was a Republican. Bull Connor, Orvil Faubus, all of the bad guys from the Civil Rights era were Democrats. Eisenhower, who desegregated schools at bayonet point was a Republican. So naturally the blacks vote in overwhelming majorities for the party of segregation. Makes me wonder how much the average black person actually opposed such things back in the day. Martin Luther King dreamed of a society where his children would be judged by the content of their character, but your average black person today seems more than content to be judged by the color of their skin.


  42. Storagemanager
    42 | December 7, 2012 8:49 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Prebanned:
    The cloud of bullshit that enshrouds this administration makes me highly skeptical of everything. It’s not that the political wing is pulling the strings, it’s that there’s nothing else BUT political wing.

    We are indeed in a time of hip waders and shovels…Truth must be dug out of a pile of crap 6 feet high.


  43. Storagemanager
    43 | December 7, 2012 8:55 am

    A SENIOR US congressional delegation, foreign ministers from the GCC and Jordan, and delegations headed by ministers from the UK, Germany and Italy will take part in the Middle East’s most influential security conference which begins in Manama today.

    Remarks by UK Foreign Secretary William Hague and US Deputy Secretary of State Bill Burns are also expected to draw considerable interest at the eighth International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) Regional Security Summit: The Manama Dialogue 2012 at the Ritz-Carlton Bahrain, Hotel and Spa.

    The three-day conference is being held under the patronage of His Royal Highness Prince Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa, Crown Prince and Deputy Supreme Commander.

    It will discuss global security, political and economic issues, promote global dialogue, back efforts to explore solutions to defuse tensions and crises, and bolster regional and international co-operation to confront future challenges.

    Among those attending include ranking member of the US Senate Armed Services Committee John McCain, chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Mike Rogers and ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Dutch Ruppersberger.

    Ministers attending from the region include Kuwait Foreign Minister Shaikh Sabah Khalid Al Sabah, UAE Foreign Minister Shaikh Adbullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Saudi Deputy Foreign Minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud and Jordan’s Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh.

    In addition, several chiefs of defence staff and deputy chiefs will participate from North America, Europe, the Middle East and Asia.
    http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=343227


  44. Prebanned
    44 | December 7, 2012 8:59 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    They also feel that a tax for online purchases would encourage people to buy local and keep tax dollars in their community.

    Going backward.
    We need more competition, less overhead.
    Human progress is a function of efficiency.
    If it makes money, tax and regulate it, if it doesn’t and its union, subsidize it.


  45. 45 | December 7, 2012 8:59 am

    @ MacDuff:

    It is, as I have noted before, not that they are adverse to the truth, but rather that truth holds no special valuue for them. A lie, if it suits their purpose, is more valuable than the truth. Most people in Western society are different than this. To most people in Western society, the truth is more important than the results. Our entire legal system is built on the truth having special, superior value. Democrats simply do not feel this way. Neither do Islamists.


  46. 46 | December 7, 2012 9:05 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    It is, as I have noted before, not that they are adverse to the truth, but rather that truth holds no special valuue for them. A lie, if it suits their purpose, is more valuable than the truth. Most people in Western society are different than this. To most people in Western society, the truth is more important than the results. Our entire legal system is built on the truth having special, superior value. Democrats simply do not feel this way. Neither do Islamists.

    To the Democrats, “truth” is just another tool to be used/abused as they see fit. Come to think of it, most Democrats are tools, themselves.

    Funny how that works out….


  47. Prebanned
    47 | December 7, 2012 9:08 am

    @ MacDuff:
    What is worse is that many dims know the media and government are lying and do not care because of thier envy and hate.
    @ Iron Fist:Abandoning thier race for personal gain.


  48. Storagemanager
    48 | December 7, 2012 9:14 am

    Health info collected to “protect the President”

    6 December 2012: Whether you are at the doctor’s office, hospital, or clinic awaiting treatment for you or your loved one, how many of you read the fine print on those multi-page legal notices pertaining to privacy practices? I suspect not many, yet you sign them anyway, especially when you are at your most vulnerable. But, have you read them recently? http://ibloga.blogspot.com/


  49. 49 | December 7, 2012 9:15 am

    @ MacDuff:

    The Democrats are actually very reactionary. Take race, racism, and segregation. They are extreme racists, viewing everything through a prism of race. They want a better form of segregation in the form of Affirmative Action, but again everything that a person is can be boiled down to their gross “racial” characteristics. People are not to be viewed as individuals, but as part of roups, which are played against one another to gain political advantage. It is very tribalistic, the world that these so-called Progressives want to create.


  50. Storagemanager
    50 | December 7, 2012 9:18 am

    Obama..we must have a Sunni caliphate

    U.S. Tanks, Fighter Jets On Their Way To Muslim Brotherhood-Run Egypt… http://weaselzippers.us/2012/12/07/u-s-tanks-fighter-jets-on-their-way-to-muslim-brotherhood-run-egypt/


  51. Prebanned
    51 | December 7, 2012 9:23 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The motivations to join the progressive tribe include personal gain and envy.
    Remember the OWS collective cooks whining about the amount of work they had too do because there was no work ethic present in the majority of the Occupiers?


  52. 52 | December 7, 2012 9:24 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Obama’s going to do everything he can to keep Morsi in power. That is the real Arab Spring: totalitarian Islamist dictatorship. That is Obama’s vision for the Middle East.


  53. Storagemanager
    53 | December 7, 2012 9:24 am

    Christie sucks meets Obama

    Christie Meets With Obama as Sandy Aid Package Formed http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-06/christie-said-to-meet-obama-as-sandy-aid-package-considered.html


  54. Storagemanager
    54 | December 7, 2012 9:27 am

    Thousands of Egyptians marched toward the president’s palace early Friday afternoon for another day of demonstrations against the president while thousands of his Islamist backers gathered outside the country’s most respected Islamic institution for a funeral for two men killed in Wednesday’s bloody clashes. (AP http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-4316981,00.html


  55. 55 | December 7, 2012 9:27 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It is very tribalistic, the world that these so-called Progressives want to create.

    Only through division (i.e. “diversity”) do they gain strength. That all-to-brief moment after 9/11 when our country was united, and much of the world was united behind us was likely terrifying for them. They immediately set about decrying “Islamophobia” and, scarcely seven years after 9/11, rallied behind Barack Hussein Obama for president.

    Good God, It still stuns me when I think about it. It would have been like electing a man who was half Japanese, with a Japanese name in 1948.


  56. 56 | December 7, 2012 9:30 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:

    Obama’s going to do everything he can to keep Morsi in power. That is the real Arab Spring: totalitarian Islamist dictatorship. That is Obama’s vision for the Middle East.

    At the beginning of this “Arab Spring” BS I remarked it evoked far more “Tehran” than “Yorktown”, but it’s actually worse than I expected.


  57. Storagemanager
    57 | December 7, 2012 9:32 am

    @ MacDuff:
    Evil rules the day…as was foretold.


  58. 58 | December 7, 2012 9:34 am

    Prebanned wrote:

    Remember the OWS collective cooks whining about the amount of work they had too do because there was no work ethic present in the majority of the Occupiers?

    And, as usual, they were so intoxicated by their own righteousness that introspection never even occurred to them. They’ve a lot in common with Muslims on that count.


  59. Storagemanager
    59 | December 7, 2012 9:35 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    At the beginning of this “Arab Spring” BS I remarked it evoked far more “Tehran” than “Yorktown”, but it’s actually worse than I expected.

    Yes it does….and by the way for those that think Iran will do anything to save Syria….Shia endtimes say Syria and Baghdad must be destroyed before the coming of the Mahdi.


  60. 60 | December 7, 2012 9:40 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Good God, It still stuns me when I think about it. It would have been like electing a man who was half Japanese, with a Japanese name in 1948.

    After having not beaten Japan in World War Two, but fought a more limited campaign to make the Japanese feel better about themselves. It is inane. Everything in all of military history shows that to defeat the enemy you have to be willing to do what it takes to break his will and ability to fight. We, instead, went to “war” to increase the Mohammedans’ self-esteem. We refuse to even name the enemy. We refuse to treat them as the enemy. If we had made war on our enemy, we would have won it long before now, but making “war” the way we have and are we are instead losing the war. This is as B. Hussein wants it. Iraq was essentially won, and he managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory even there, and the American people meekly went along with it.


  61. 61 | December 7, 2012 9:45 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Good morning!

    How was Iraq won? We created a Shia Theocracy aligned with Iran. Militarily it was a victory, but it was a strategic/political loss.


  62. 62 | December 7, 2012 9:46 am

    New Thread.


  63. 63 | December 7, 2012 9:55 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Militarily it was a victory

    That’s won. If we had followed up the Iraq invasion with an Invasion of Iran, the whole Middle East would be in better shape today. We wouldn’t be facing the specter of Nuclear War that we are facing today. Victory in Iraq did not require us to set up a model Jeffersonian democracy in Iraq. Part of strategy is defining the conditions of victory. Going into the Iraq War we had a clear definition: elimiation of Saddam Hussein as dictator and the removal of Iraq as terrorist threat. We accomplished that. It was Colin Powell and his “YOu broke it , you own it” redefinition of the conditions for victory that cost us. But still, we had developed a relatively stable nation in Iraq, and we still had bases of operation for use against Iran at the end of the Bush Administration. It was Obama that threw these away. Obama has made it plain that his operational goal is a nuclear Iran. That is how he defines victory. Some would call that treason, others insane. I think it can easily be both.


  64. 64 | December 7, 2012 10:03 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Militarily it was a victory, but it was a strategic/political loss.

    Since Korea and Vietnam, the military has won wars only to have their victories overturned by the State Department. Iraq was no different.


  65. buzzsawmonkey
    65 | December 7, 2012 10:13 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Obama has made it plain that his operational goal is a nuclear Iran. That is how he defines victory. Some would call that treason, others insane. I think it can easily be both.

    Don’t forget “genocidal.” He knows damn well that an Iranian nuke is the most important rock in a bury-Israel avalanche.


  66. 66 | December 7, 2012 10:23 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yes, Obama is an anti-Semite. That is clear from his clear antipathy toweards Israel, and his foreign policy goals in that venue. If Susan Rice doesn’t make it as Sec State, I expect him to nominate Samantha Powers, who would be worse.


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