Looks like a scapegoat has walked away…
The End of the Wave
By Michael Barone
December 10, 2012 4:00 A.M.Is mass migration from Mexico to the United States a thing of the past?
At least for the moment, it is. Last May, the Pew Hispanic Center, in a study based on U.S. and Mexican statistics, reported that net migration from Mexico to this country had fallen to zero from 2005 to 2010.
Pew said 20,000 more people moved to Mexico from the United States than from there to here in those years. That’s a vivid contrast with the years 1995 to 2000, when net inflow from Mexico was 2.2 million people.
Because there was net Mexican immigration until 2007, when the housing market collapsed and the Great Recession began, it seems clear that there was net outmigration from 2007 to 2010, and that likely has continued in 2011 and 2012.
There’s a widespread assumption that Mexican migration will resume when the U.S. economy starts growing robustly again. But I think there’s reason to doubt that will be the case.
Over the past few years, I have been working on a book, scheduled for publication next fall, on American migrations, internal and immigrant. What I’ve found is that over the years this country has been peopled in large part by surges of migration that have typically lasted just one or two generations.
Almost no one predicted that these surges of migration would occur, and almost no one predicted when they would end.
For example, when our immigration system was opened up in 1965, experts testified that we would not get many immigrants from Latin America or Asia. They assumed that immigrants would come mainly from Europe, as they had in the past.
Experts have also tended to assume that immigrants are motivated primarily by economic factors. And in the years starting in the 1980s, many people in Latin America and Asia — especially in Mexico, which has produced more than 60 percent of Latin American immigrants — saw opportunities to make a better living in this country.
But masses of people do not uproot themselves from familiar territory just to make marginal economic gains. They migrate to pursue dreams or escape nightmares.
Life in Mexico is not a nightmare for many these days. Beneath the headlines about killings in the drug wars, Mexico has become a predominantly middle-class country, as Jorge Castañeda notes in his recent book, Mañana Forever? Its economy is growing faster than ours.
And the dreams that many Mexican immigrants pursued have been shattered.
You can see that if you look at the statistics on mortgage foreclosures, starting with the housing bust in 2007. More than half were in the four “sand states” — California, Nevada, Arizona, and Florida — and within them, as the Pew Hispanic Center noted in a 2009 report, in areas with large numbers of Latino immigrants.
These were places where subprime mortgages were granted, with encouragement from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, to many Latinos unqualified by traditional credit standards.
These new homeowners, many of them construction workers, dreamed of gaining hundreds of thousands of dollars as housing prices inevitably rose. Instead, they collapsed. My estimate is that one-third of those foreclosed on in these years were Latinos. Their dreams turned into nightmares.
We can see further evidence in last month’s Pew research report on the recent decline in U.S. birthrates. The biggest drop was among Mexican-born women, from 455,000 births in 2007 to 346,000 in 2010.
That’s a 24 percent decline, compared with only a 6 percent decline among U.S.-born women. It’s comparable to the sharp decline in U.S. birthrates in the Depression years from 1929 to 1933.
Beneath the cold statistics on foreclosures and births is a human story, a story of people whose personal lives have been deeply affected by economic developments over which they had no control and of which they had no warning.
Those events have prompted many to resort to, in Mitt Romney’s chilly words, “self-deportation.” And their experiences are likely to have reverberations for many others who have learned of their plight.
Surges of migration that have shaped the country sometimes end abruptly. The surge of Southern blacks to Northern cities lasted from 1940 to 1965 — one generation. The surge of Mexicans into the U.S. lasted from 1982 to 2007 — one generation.
The northward surge of American blacks has never resumed. I don’t think the northward surge of Mexicans will, either.
if i may add prof Fuchs comments from the comment board below the article:
As a gringo university professor in southern Mexico, I cannot fail to notice the extent to which my Mexican students now consider migrating North to be a desperate option reserved primarily for Central Americans.
Also, seldom does a week go by when a taxi driver doesn’t explain that he returned from the U.S. because the job options are now comparable here. One recently added this comment, “Plus in Mexico, we have liberty.”
Even those who disagree with his perception, should let the fact that many in Mexico now hold this truth to be self evident sink in. The word freedom certainly seems more at home on the lips of many Mexicans these days than on those of an Obama administration spokesman. Many of the huddled masses yearning to be free are starting to doubt whether the U.S. is still the best place to pursue such longings.
AND
No, they are representative of the offspring of those illegal migrants. My university is geared to low-income indigenous students. Most all of their biological fathers did the border crossing, but this is no longer viewed by most of them as the best option. Just as the Germans, Irish and Vietnamese have stopped coming to the U.S. in the numbers they once did, so many Mexicans now give tortillas to the Hondurans passing through on the trains and give thanks it isn’t them. A few of my students have even mustered the kind of snobbery usually reserved for Detroit auto workers in despising the Central Americans who come to take their jobs.
Liberals often charge that conservatives don’t care about these migrants. They accuse them of holding the letter of the law above compassion. There’s truth to this. Many cultures function without the law and order obsession of gringos. The Declaration of Independence and The Bible both proclaim that moral laws supercede the laws of men. However, illegal migration also wrecks havoc on families, which liberals getting too much money from unions to support legal immigration seldom discuss.
Illegal migrants usually leave women and children behind. Sometimes the trip is just a handy excuse for men who prefer to move along or women who wish they would. As a professor here, I deal with this reality constantly. My mostly-fatherless students have the security that often comes from a loving mother during the first decade of life. They’re less neurotic than what locals call “unmothered gringos.”
However, most of them lack the character traits which typically result from firm father love during the teen years. Boys are undisciplined and unmotivated to a criminal extent. Girls are so desperate for male attention that I can’t politely describe the kind of guys they fall for or the tender ages at which they do so. All of this has a cute side, until you see their fatherless kids malnourished, unsupervised and repeating the vicious cycle. I’m well aware that my observation on the effects of fatherlessness won’t be endorsed by politicians. They cater to us adults, who don’t like hearing we’ve made mistakes, rather than children who can’t vote.
Whatever the best immigration solution is, thousands of miles between fathers and children it aint. Legal immigration made America great in the past and makes countries great today. Eager workers come with their dreams, energy, families, and loyalty to their new home. An underground workforce can be made more humane, but it can never be great as long as it is built on the tears of children separated from their daddies. If liberal aristocrats like Eva Longoria knew more about Mexico, they would know illegal migration isn’t a compassionate solution.
Its an open thread as well
Yo culpo a Bush
Me too!
It’s always an open thread.
That last little excerpt is outstanding.
yeah, stupid gringos. obsessed with law and order. who needs law and order??
well, at least i know you “wreak havoc” rather than “wreck havoc”. i mean, if you have havoc, whatever you had before you had havoc is already wrecked, right? (it’s just a pet peeve)
I read that Barone piece earlier. I thought, hmmm, now we’re going to hear ‘amnesty’ because ‘there really aren’t that many of them’.
We’ve got people from Arizona and Texas on this blog. I’d like to know if they’re seeing fewer illegal crossings.
Oh, and I guess now Mitt Romney’s ‘self-deportation’ remarks aren’t so politically incorrect
@ eaglesoars:
i live in AZ. we aren’t hearing as much about it now as we used to about just plain old illegal immigrants. but i think that is because the cartels have completely taken over all movement north of illicit drugs as well as illegal border crossers.
If The Osprey reads here tonight he might have a more informed take on things. i’ve been avoiding news since the election. i mean, what’s the point? it’s just a circular firing squad of Republicans with a Gimmicrat cheer leading squad.
eaglesoars wrote:
i never knew what the problem with those words were. we had been seeing people leave on their own since the real estate crash. many went to TX but so many went to border towns in Mexico that Mexico was whining that they couldn’t afford it and we had to make it stop. not kidding.
Something tells me the workers are leaving but the sponges are staying. And the gangsters of course.
Kirly wrote:
Why am I not surprised. Should have thought of that myself
More clueless commentary from the media.
I was just watching FNC, and they were talking about a mass shooting at a mall in Portland.
At one point, the anchor said, “A magazine clip was found, which means the gun may have locked.”
WTF is that sentence supposed to mean?
Rancher wrote:
it’s called natural selection
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Californias-Population-Moving-Out-182914961.html
Anecdotal evidence from San Diego:
The crowds outside the Home Depots diminished very soon after the housing bubble burst. Same with the encampments I come across on my mountain bike traversals of the county. I think the reduced flow across the border happened several years ago.
Obama’s Singular Accomplishment!
lobo91 wrote:
it means the anchor doesn’t know a magazine from a clip LOL
Today in the news, Michigan passes right to work, Illinois passes right to carry, and now this… could it be the libs won the battle and lost the war?
brookly red wrote:
Yeah, but talk about sore losers……the violence is a bit, um, disturbing.
eaglesoars wrote:
well yes, there is that. but it just be a positive trend.
lobo91 wrote:
It means you were listening to a news reader who either had little time to read it ahead and figure it out OR had no idea and just read what the teleprompter said. who needs anchors when we have news readers?
brookly red wrote:
They will still vote for Democrats for POTUS. It reminds me of the folks of South Boston who protested the busing of their kids to black neighborhoods in 1975, they still voted for Ted Kennedy and for John F’n Kerry.
@ Speranza:
And Pocahontas Warren
Speranza wrote:
maybe so but I find more hope in states asserting their rights than I do in the GOP. This is big
Has anyone noticed that the only group people never blame for anything are Muslims?
Odd isn’t it?
Storagemanager wrote:
and http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-recognizes-syrian-opposition-group/story?id=17936599#.UMfwX4PBHLI
look the dude all in on the muzz… always was always will be
@ Storagemanager:
Un-fricking-believable.
Way to go, everyone who believes in Israel but voted for 0. Let us know if you need help getting those knives out of your backs.
Rodan wrote:
They’re hardly the only ones. Pretty much all the left’s pet groups are blameless.
Rodan wrote:
Odd, no. Predictable, hell yes.
J.C. Watts is considering a run for RNC chairman. Hmmmm haven’t we seen this movie before (Michael Steele being the example)? J.C. Watts (an undistinguished former congressman from Oklahoma) voted for Barack Obama back in 2008 yet because he happens to be black the guilt ridden Republican Establishment will probably vote him in.
So, do we have a pool as to when Bammy will “discover” the wonders of Islam and take the Shahada?
lobo91 wrote:
/well after all Bush did have the tea party attack the world trade center to kill the gays in it…
eaglesoars wrote:
Yeah that one really burns since Scott Brown was elected in 2010 and they they vote him out in 2012 for a liar.
livefreeor die wrote:
March, 23rd 1973…
livefreeor die wrote:
minor edit
eaglesoars wrote:
“There will be blood, there will be repercussions,” state Democratic Rep. Douglas Geiss, speaking on the House floor on Tuesday, warned ahead of the votes.
livefreeor die wrote:
The sooner we see Mooch in a burka the better.
Speranza wrote:
I like Watts and find that hard to believe. Could you source that for me?
@ eaglesoars:
She won’t go for the whole Islam thing. Imagine her giving up bacon cheeseburgers!
Speranza wrote:
Which makes me think that the votes for Brown were really votes against Coakely (I think that was her name). But really, she was no worse than Warren is going to be.
livefreeor die wrote:
She will in public. Privately -- the rules, whatever they may be, don’t apply to her.
@ eaglesoars:
Such is life you know. One has to live and just go with the flow.
Rancher wrote:
My mistake -- he said he considered voting for Obama which in my eyes disqualifies him for any GOP job. Bleep him!
Rancher wrote:
Rancher wrote:
SO HAND US THE MONEY, DON’T STAND THERE AND SHIVER,
TAX TIME IS COMING, GIVE ALMS TO THE POOR.
OR I´LL PUT A BULLET RIGHT THROUGH YOUR BEST LIVER,
WEALTH IS DISEASE AND I AM THE CURE,
I AM THE CURE,
I AM THE CURE,
I AM THE….
eaglesoars wrote:
Martha Coakley was her name, state Attorney General.
@ Rancher:
In 2008 he did.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-14-black-republicans_N.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2031301/posts
@ Rodan:
We had our tokenism with Michael Steele and that was disastrous. J.C. Watts was an undistinguished congressman.
eaglesoars wrote:
minor edit
brookly red wrote:
HA!
Perp walk -- in a burka.
ok, since this is an open thread. Many of you know Molly the Beagle has terminal liver cancer. She’s still seldom ill to the point you would think anything is wrong but she has to take A LOT of pills.
And she fucking hates pills. She bites me.
Well, we had a visit with the oncologist today and she gave use something called ‘pill pockets’. They’re this malleable stuff you hide the pills in and dogs love them and don’t realize they’re eating the pills.
Not. Molly. Oh, she loves it alright. Enough to hide it to protect it and save it for later. We gave her the first pill pocket tonite. She took off like a bat out of hell and hid the damn thing. We don’t know where it is. Somewhere upstairs. I have to find it so that she doesn’t double dose when she does decide to eat it. Funniest thing I ever saw.
Kirly wrote:
I live about 15 miles from the border down in SE AZ and we have not seen a decrease in the traffic as most of ours deal with the drug trade. The hordes of simple “looking for jobs” types has slowed but they were never the big part down here.
eaglesoars wrote:
aka the Detroit Shuffle
@ eaglesoars:
That’s why I use peanut butter with Leia’s pills.
@ AZOlddog:
Thanks AZ -- good to know and comports w/Kirly
eaglesoars wrote:
With bacon cheeseburgers falling out of it as she goes!
lobo91 wrote:
PB worked in the beginning but Molly got smart. Offer her peanut butter now?- she figures there’s a pill in there SOMEHWERE and won’t touch it. She loves PB but she will NOT have her intelligence insulted. She is hilarious. And a pain in the ass. She’s a beagle.
Economic problems solved; 48 out of 49 economists agree! FED meeting coming up.
“Forty-eight of 49 economists predict the Federal Open Market Committee will purchase Treasuries to bolster an existing program to buy $40 billion in mortgage bonds each month. The panel pledged in October to continue that plan until the labor market improves “substantially.”
Do 9 out of 10 doctors still agree that smoking is good for you? /
eaglesoars wrote:
LOL. Snoopy lives!
yenta-fada wrote:
Haven’t they done that before? (ps -- we need to talk about Ann barnhardt)
@ eaglesoars:
We had a dog when I was a kid who would eat whatever was around the pill to “hide” it and carry the pill in her mouth for a while until she could jettison it.
She also used to throw her food and water bowls down the stairs to the TV room when she wanted refills. We’d be watching a show and a bowl would come bouncing down into the room.
I did NOT expect to have to keep posting pics of the strange outfits of Mooch.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/-3ASJfYi82cg/UMYS8iMrGQI/AAAAAAAAue8/1x9EwXlukhk/s1600-h/158037419%25255B4%25255D.jpg
livefreeor die wrote:
Molly used to do that with her kong -- shove it thru the bannister onto the hardwood dining room floor -- for more peanut butter. I finally took it away from her.
One day when we were out for a walk she found a golf ball she brought home as a trophy -- shoved it thru the bannister onto MY HARDWOOD FLOOR -- and raced down the stairs to catch it on a bounce, run back upstairs and do it again. I couldn’t believe it. THAT didn’t even last a day before Mom did the disappearing act thing.
So many laughs.
eaglesoars wrote:
What about Joan of Arc w/ pink hello kitty rifle? She is interesting.
Ann knows the financial system is insolvent. The FED is throwing newly printed money at toxic bank assets/aka derivatives. But do they say that? noooooo.
@ yenta-fada:
I am not clicking on that. Too close to bedtime.
yenta-fada wrote:
HAIL CAESAR!!!
@ livefreeor die:
This is still one of my fave dog vids:
http://maniacworld.com/which-is-the-guilty-dog.html
eaglesoars wrote:
400 times burnt, who can blame you.
@ yenta-fada:
OMG-I loved that outfit when Linda Carter wore it in Wonder Woman!!
coldwarrior wrote:
Megalomania is obviously contagious.
If Mexico bordered China there would be trouble.
@ yenta-fada:
Hey printing money has helped all throughout history!
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livefreeor die wrote:
I met Linda Carter, once. She was at my table at the Ritz Laguna Niguel taking cards in Black Jack. Lovely eyes.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
For Mexico. Nice random thawt bubble though.
@ eaglesoars:
Leia has one of those treat balls. She got tired of pushing it around the house with her nose waiting for treats to fall out, and figured out that pushing it down the stairs worked much better.
Not so good when you’re trying to sleep, though.
yenta-fada wrote:
I’ve seen that -- it’s a gutbuster.
Here’s mine.
The Beagle Escapes!
yenta-fada wrote:
It supposes the difference between us.
Storagemanager wrote:
that is a terrible thing and I don’t have an answer, easy to blame the schools, the parents whatever. I don’t have a magic wand to fix it. I live in the inner city and can only advise people to try to understand that this shit is for real.
Rodan wrote:
That business about the economists being in a chorus of bobble-headed agreement ought to chill any citizen to the bone. The Ministry of Making Sh!t up thinks it’s a comfort to the sheeple.
*pull my finger* Hi! Furry old guy jeans if you’re out there.
@ eaglesoars:
Scrub them all if you will, but they still sniff butts.
@ yenta-fada:
It’s about feelings, not results!
song_and_dance_man wrote:
song_and_dance_man wrote:
/oh like you never did that
ok bedtime nite everyone.
yenta-fada wrote:
I think he went to just F. Some got his nic wrong or something like that. I miss a lot of posters here that moved on.
eaglesoars wrote:
‘night, Molly’s mom.
brookly red wrote:
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Meh. That was me who always got his nic wrong.
He dumbed it down for me.
*tossing my blonde locks around, irritated still*
JUCHE SPORT!
a hot what???
hate to be a drive by. later
@ Calo:
Got any blonde jokes? How’s Lily doing?
Anger management
http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/clip_image00123.jpg
A message from the Queen v.3.4
A MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN
To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
In light of the recent little storm as well as your failure in recent years to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up ‘revocation’ in the Oxford English Dictionary.)
Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and terr itories (except North Dakota , which she does not fancy).
Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.
Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.
To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:
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1. The letter ‘U’ will be reinstated in words such as ‘colour,’ ‘favour,’ ‘labour’ and ‘neighbour.’ Likewise, you will learn to spell ‘doughnut’ without skipping half the letters, and the suffix ‘-ize’ will be replaced by the suffix ‘-ise’. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up ‘vocabulary’).
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2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ”like’ and ‘you know’ is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter ‘u” and the elimination of ‘-ize.’
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3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.
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4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you’re not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can’t sort things out without suing or shooting someone or speaking to a therapist, then you’re not ready to shoot grouse.
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5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.
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6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.
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7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.
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8. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.
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9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable, as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth -- see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat’s Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.
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10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialect in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one’s ears removed with a cheese-grater.
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11. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby union (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest & advertisements every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).
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12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there exists a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.
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13.. You must tell us who killed JFK. It’s been driving us mad.
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14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty’s Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).
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15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.
God Save the Queen!
@ Kirly:
How can I be more informed when I am in a hotel bar in San Jose Ca getting drunk on port?
Seriously though, with the collapse of the housing construction market in AZ I don’t think we are seeing as much migration from Mexico. In 2009, 10 and 11 I saw a lot of brand new pickups piled high with furniture and household goods heading south on the 10.
@ Aussie Infidel:
I believe in self deportation when the EBT card program collapses due to low participation
@ Aussie Infidel:
David Cameron can piss off but we’ll happily accept Stephen Harper, eh.
@ Aussie Infidel:
Does Minnie Driver drive a Mini Cooper?
Extinct lizard named after Obama. The OBAMADON lives again. rilly
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/12/10/ancient-extinct-lizard-named-after-president-obama
The Osprey wrote:
We are not finished with Harper, so you can’t ‘ave ‘im.
@ Aussie Infidel:
Ok, so it’s a Rhodie song, but it’s about Saffa beer.
@ Aussie Infidel:
The real heir to the English throne is currently an Aussie.
Come on, man. Quit plugging for those krauts occupying that palace. Where is your pride?
@ Aussie Infidel:
Your guess is good as ours. Choose from the following:
Pro-Castro Cubans
Anti-Castro Cubans
The KGB
The CIA
The Mafia
The Union Corse
Texas Awl Bidnessmen
The “Illuminati”
The “Majestic 12″
The ODESSA
Some combination of any of the above.
The Osprey wrote:
White Guy in a warehouse with a secondhand mail-order rifle and a grudge.
@ coldwarrior:
Hmmm, now where have I heard this Mexican self deportation story before? somebody refresh my memory…
Um, whoever it was above that said something about IL passing CCW is wrong. A 3 judge panel of the Federal 7th Circuit court ruled 2-1 that the IL ban on all carry (open or concealed) was unconstitutional, based on Heller and McDonald. The ruling was stayed for 180 days to allow the IL state government time to craft and implement an acceptable law allowing carry of some sort under some circumstances. IL could simply pass a replica of the law of one of the remaining “May Issue” states and maybe get away with it. CA would be an example. One interesting point, given the stated reliance on Heller, is that DC bans all carry, so this story is far frtom over. Expect IL to take this up to the next level (SCOTUS) ASAP. But meanwhile, they’ll cobble up some sort of legislation, just in case they are denied cert or are granted cert and lose.
@ Mike C.:
One intersting point (and really the crux of the case) is that the appeals court clearly stated that being able to have a functional gun in your home DID NOT fufill the state’s obligations under Heller to allow the “right to BEAR arms”, holding that the self-defense necessity was no lower outside the home than inside, if not in fact even greater.
Multiple threads on this up at The Volokh Conspiracy as of last evening, and I recommend people read them.
@ livefreeor die:
Bacon Cheeseburgers: Manna from Heaven!
Dog Meat: Manna from Hell….
The Osprey wrote:
And how many of them were Ford Lobos?
Good morning everyone. Nothing to say this morning.
Really ?
Mexico
vs
U.S.A.
Guggi wrote:
the mexican peso has doubled in value vis a vis the us dollar in the past 10 years. that renders straight gdp comparisons in percentage of growth not adjusted to purchasing power pretty much moot.
coldwarrior wrote:
How much of that is due to American inflation? Just because America’s economy is collapsing doesn’t meant that Mexico’s is booming.
coldwarrior wrote:
Dec 16, 2002 -- Dec 7, 2012: -0.020 (-20.63 %)
@ Storagemanager:
The rocket crashed, so it wasn’t much of a step Forward for the Norks. I am more worried that the Norks will sell a bomb to Iran (to be passed on to God knows where) than I am that they’ll be able to nuke the Left coast with a missile.
@ Iron Fist:
Link:
Some of the rocket appears to have made it inot orbit, but again, I am more worried about the Norks selling an atomic bomb to Iran than I am their being able to launch a missile and hit our Left Coast.
Guggi wrote:
i was referring to a chart from 95-2008. my bad.should have looked at the dates
Iron Fist wrote:
its booming enough for all those mexicans who choose to leave the us or not come here and live there instead of here.
Iron Fist wrote:
they gonna clean up that space junk?
Guggi wrote:
i will never forget how natural gas was the greenie panacea a decade ago here when it was very expensive. they said it would be a great thing if we could just use more of it, so clean to use instead of coal. companies who switched vehicles over to natgas were lauded as heros to the environment.
now that the marcellus shale and fracing are giving us huge amounts of cheap natgas, its evil. it must be shut down.
@ coldwarrior:
I think that is is more that America’s economy is down, though. People who five years ago had the disposable income to hire maids and gardeners no longer have that income, so the illegals who were working as maids and gardeners no longer have work. Too, there is competition from American workers in that space. We don’t hear any more nonsense about “Jobs Americans won’t do”.
@ coldwarrior:
Probably not. This thing appears to have been a glorified scud. Crude, and not very effective.
coldwarrior wrote:
The “Greenies” are neo-Luddites. They hate anything that makes life livable for the masses. They want humanity crowded into tenaments in big cities where they freeze in the winter, swelter in the summer, and don’t get enough to eat all year around. The so-called greens are very anti-human in their outlook. That they have as much political power as they do is frightening.
Iron Fist wrote:
ah.
ok
@ Iron Fist:
interesting read
@ coldwarrior:
Uh, the low prices have already shut down development of Marcellus shale gas. The only Marcellus activity these days is in the liquids-rich areas.
Yup, about 2 more pesos to the dollar than when I worked there in 2002-2005. I can remember when it was 5 pesos to the dollar, but that was back when.