In 2011 the Obama Regime and it’s quisling Republican enablers, lead by John McCain, assisted Islamist rebels in overthrowing Qaddafi. They lied to the American people that this was a revolution for Democracy. It was nothing moire than Islamists overthrowing an Arab Nationalist Secular regime. Qaddafi had been an American ally against Al-Qaeda and had given up his WMD program. Now Libya is set to make Sharia law the cornerstone of their “democracy.”
“Egypt is Islamic, it will not be secular!” Islamist supporters of Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi have taken to chanting this slogan during street protests in Cairo. While the mantra fills opponents of the Egyptian president with dread, as does a Morsi-backed draft Constitution ensuring laws and rights will be strictly subordinated to sharia law, such chants would hardly prove controversial in Libya, Egypt’s neighboring Arab-Spring country—nor would they propel tens of thousands onto the streets of Tripoli or Benghazi to express dissent.
The constitutional debate that Libya is likely to have in the coming months—once its new rulers have decided on how to proceed with a draft—is going to be different from Egypt’s, and less about whether Islamic law should figure in the Constitution. Across the political spectrum, there’s a general acceptance that the country’s new laws must reflect religion and that sharia will figure prominently—only a small minority question this.
During the campaign for the country’s elections last July, party leaders—even those from moderate parties, such as Mahmoud Jibril, leader of the National Forces Alliance—acknowledged that sharia would significantly influence any Constitution. New laws should have a “reference to sharia,” Jibril told The Daily Beast, arguing, “Sharia law, when it was understood in the proper way, managed to create one of the great civilizations in human history. The problem is not with sharia or Islam; the problem is with the interpretation of sharia.”
That is what is in dispute between the Muslim Brotherhood and the “Moderates” in Libya. It’s how Sharia law is interpreted, not if it is valid for the 21st Century. Qaddafi, for all his faults, was a secular ruler and no threat to us. Libya is just another emirate in the growing Sunni Islamic Caliphate brought you with your taxpayer dollars!
These are McCain’s heroes.
I am shocked! shocked I tell you, at the events unfolding in Libya, exactly by the way as was predicted over and over and over again here at the Blogmocracy. What is even more astounding is the number of people here making this prediction only includes about……..Everyone! It’s like, who on Earth could possibly have known that this whole thing could have gone so horribly awry? Shocking!
I don’t know that I’d call Kadaffy Duck an ally exactly, but he had given up his WMD programs. There are something like 50,000 tons of nuclear related materials stored at Y-12 that he turned over to us. By betraying him in the name of the Arab Spring®, we have guaranteed that no other regime will peacefully give up their WMD programs. Indeed, since we are allowing Iran to get nuclear weapons, it is hard tfor me to see a down side for any despotic regime to building nukes. Obama may talk a good game on non-proliferation, but what he really means in unilateral disarmament, which is national suicide.
@ Flyovercountry:
The GOP could have used this against Obama. But no, they are too beholden to they spread Democracy garbage.
@ Iron Fist:
Of course, when Libya fell, there was a going out of business sale at the weapons depot, where people were pulling up, loading up the Toyota Tundra and driving off into the night. Al-Qaeda got themselves quite the little arsenal out of this. And these same weapons were used by Hamas to fire at Israel in the last barrage of missile launching.
I’m still seeing that “Seven Days in May” scenario in my head when it comes to Obama, and this time Burt Lancaster is the GOOD guy.
@ Rodan:
There were a lot of those things that could have been brought up and used as campaign issues, not the least of which was Obamacare. But no, the GOP sent out its plea of, “Help us Romneywankenobi, you’re our only hope.”
I am still somewhat sick at the squandered opportunity to right the ship this November. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory seems to be the only thing the Republican Party really excels at anymore.
@ Flyovercountry:
By the way, people are really bashing Newt for his statements on the Sunday talk shows this past weekend, just so happens that the man is actually right in what he said. Just my humble opinion.
The good news is that it is a problem which can be corrected.
Flyovercountry wrote:
That is only at the National Level. At the State level the Republican Party is doing considerably better. Look at the Right to Work victory in Michigan. We hold the majority of the State houses, and we are going to get to see in real time the results of Democrat governance versus Republican governance. If we had the Federalism that was deliniated in th eConstitution, we’d be in the driver’s seat, but so much has been taken over by the Federal Government that control of the Central Government means control of everyone’s life. That is something that, long term, we need to change if we are to survive as a country.
@ Iron Fist:
A good point, but there is something within your answer that says a lot.
The major problem we face is that we were way late in realizing the fight that has been happening here, and then our side attempted not to fight the evil, but to co-opt the other side instead. The result was two national parties based on big and increasingly intrusive government, the only difference being, who was in charge of the decline.
The Republicans have done much better at the state and local levels recently, but if the federal behemoth keeps growing, who really cares? I can see a day when President for Life Eric Holder simply abolishes the states entirely, and lord Van Jones travels the country side placing former GOP leaders in reeducation camps.
Before anyone has a break down, that’s hyperbole.
Flyovercountry wrote:
I’m not having abreakdown and it’s not hyperbole
eaglesoars wrote:
@ eaglesoars:
That is what they want to do, but the Second Amendment makes that pretty perilous to do. The people sent out to do the mass arrests won’t have cowering peasants to arrest, but in many cases armed citizens. The kind of thugs that like to do things like that don’t play well with armed citizens. They consider it unfair. Fuck ‘em. Send a few of them home in body bags, and the rest will decide that being a dictator’s thug isn’t the lifestyle for them.
@ Iron Fist:
I want to believe that. I know that for you and me it’s true. Unfortanately, Nakoula is still in jail.
@ eaglesoars:
Yeah, they can do it in limited circumstances. If they came for me today with a trumped-up arrest warrent, I wouldn’t resist, either. Knowng when to resist is important. If the Waco Massacre proved nothing else, it proved that if the media and government sufficiently demonize a marginal group of people, then the government can kill them without reprecussions. MAss arrests, though, would be a clear red line. Frankly, though, it doesn’t matter so much that we would resist as that we could resist. It is much harder to cow an armed populace through mass terror. That is why (among others) Nazi Germany and Leninist USSR banned the ownership of weapons by the masses (though in Nazi Germany Nazi Party members were permitted to own guns) before they embarked on their reign of terror.
@ eaglesoars:
And let’s not forget there is a credible that Hildebeest did tell one of the grieving family members that there were plans to “put the filmmaker in jail.”
@ Carolina Girl:
*Sigh* …credible report that Hildebeest…..
It’s not hyperbole.
I’m truly sorry for the people of Libya (and Syria). Some of the best people I’ve ever known were men from Libya who literally guarded me in my apt after I was asaulted until the cops caught the SOB.
But this is MY country. These are MY freedoms.
A muslim majority country will NEVER have a constitution that respects individual rights. It is anathema to the their very beliefs.
@ Carolina Girl:
Yeah, I consider him a political prisoner. You’ll notice that the ACLU has said exactly squat about the case, too. This guy wasn’t anti-Christian, so he has no rights that they want to defend.
Iron Fist wrote:
Louis Freeh and Larry Potts both lied to Janet Reno, telling her children were being abused. Ruby Ridge was worse. By far. Potts was eventually fired but he should be in jail.
@ eaglesoars:
I double checked because of California’s law regarding the recording of conversations (requires all parties’ permission); it doesn’t apply to recordings commissioned by the government.
Remind me again how it was Bush who was using the PATRIOT Act to deprive us of civil liberties?
Carolina Girl wrote:
I believe that came from the father of one of the men killed at Benghazi. That slut from Hell literally lied to him over his son’s casket.
Clint Tarver a Black hot dog vendor was serving the
Right To Work tent at the Michigan demonstration.
Union thugs destroyed his business and carpet bombed
him with racial slurs including the dreaded N word.
Where are Jackson, Sharpton & Obama?
Shouldn’t Obama say, “If I had a hot dog vendor uncle
he would look like Clint”?
Guess not.
@ Iron Fist:
Waco and Ruby Ridge, just two reasons Reno should be in jail, the last would be the incomplete investigation of the OK City bombing. And Elian…hell, that list goes on too.
@ eaglesoars:
I read the book “Every Knee Shall Bow” with an eye toward loathing Randy Weaver. I don’t like the White Supremicism that Weaver stood for, and his anti-semitism, but the hounding of this man and the entrapment was abominable.
They killed his wife as she was holding a baby and holding open a door and killed his son. They held siege on his home for what -- a week? The remark by his daughter when they finally came down off the mountain and she saw the array of law enforcement vehicles: “All this for one family?”
Weaver received millions for the ineptitude of the federal government and its rules of engagement and Gerry Spence got him acquitted of the gun charges.
@ bluliner10:
Ruby Ridge happened in 1992 -- Janet Reno was to blame for a lot of awful things, but this one can’t be pinned on her.
@ bluliner10:
The FBI could have grabbed David Koresh anytime that
they wanted to.
They knew that his daily routine included a morning
trip to a local coffee shop.
Those people did not have to die.
@ bluliner10:
Exactly. It is hard to say who is worse: her or Eric Holder. Threough Fast and Furious, Holder has more blood on his hands, probably. But Reno was so dedicated to ending freedom in America. Yet people were afraid of John Ashcroft?!?!
bluliner10 wrote:
Have you read Others Unknown: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing Conspiracy
Written by McVeigh’s lawyer. He’s a very sober mid-westerner, not a nutcase. It’s chilling.
@ RIX:
Obama is going to stay as far away from this controversy as he can. After all, what does he care -- he certainly no longer needs any union contributions for a re-election campaign and he’s already shown that he couldn’t care less if the other Democrats contributions -- after all, he was quite unwilling to share the wealth (odd that, huh?) in his billion-dollar fundraising. If union contributions diminish, it neither affects him financially or politically.
Carolina Girl wrote:
There is a straight line between Ruby Ridge, Waco and Fast & Furious, though.
RIX wrote:
The FBI wasn’t after Koresh. The ATF was. That was their mess.
The FBI didn’t get involved until after the botched raid.
@ RIX:
They wanted something flashy to get on “Cops”, and they wanted to set a precedent for going in hard when there were guns around. Reno should have gone to prison for Manslaughter and Official Oppression. It floors me when Rodan says people are afraid of the GOP. Really? What color is the sky on their world?
@ eaglesoars:
Interesting that you should bring that up. I am usually dismissive of books by defense attorneys as attempts to minimize the culpability of their client(s). In this case, though, I think Jones was trying to send out a clarion call to WAKE UP -- the Clinton DOJ needed to do further investigation.
You can thank Janet Reno for that one, for sure. But no one wanted to go further -- McVeigh was executed for the killing of the federal employees and Nichols is in prison for life with no parole for the 161 other deaths that day.
Whi
Iron Fist wrote:
Thats easy. Ashcroft was a practicing Christian. How dare he do that? He is a threat in the extreme. Holder and Reno were just going after those weird people who want to own guns and cling to their religion and guns.
@ lobo91:
Oh -- absolutely. Never an ounce of doubt about that.
And of course, let’s not forget a 5-year-old boy taken from a closet at the point of an M-16 and returned to Castro’s indoctrination camps after his mother perished on the high seas trying to bring him to freedom.
@ lobo91:
And they also used the “Weapons cache!” battle cry -- except that Koresh was, IIRC, a licensed gun dealer. And they KNEW when they went to the compound that the element of surprise that they needed to serve the warrant had been blown.
By the way, I understand that there was some major celebrating in Dade County the day she accepted the position of Attorney General that they had a chance to finally get someone of competence in the State’s Attorney position.
@ Carolina Girl:
You have to remember Elian Gonzoles was an Assault Toddler. They are extremely dangerous. That’s why they went in behind machineguns to confiscate him. They’re lucky Reno was in a good mood. If they’d have pissed her off, she’d have had all those people killed.
[/no sarc on that]
Iron Fist wrote:
Yup, recordings of the FBI Agents during the assault
is like they thought that they were playing guns.
The whole carnage never had to happen.
@ Iron Fist:
Qaddafi was not an ally, but a textbook example of how you deal with a Koranimal; bomb him and neuter him. Naturally, no one in Washington will ever pull this off again. That would actually STRENGHEN America, and we can’t have that.
EMP test?
@ Iron Fist:
I actually was going to do a post on this. While the national Republican party is dysfunctional, at the local level, the Republican party is pretty solid.
@ Carolina Girl:
The Third Terrorist by Jayna Davis. I don’t know about others unknown, but I think it ties more to the white supremacy in OK. The Third Terrorist implicates Iraq/al Qaeda working links.
So when will the White House and Hollywood release Benghazi, the movie?
waldensianspirit wrote:
When Hell freezes over.
texasam7 wrote:
He was an ally. He was giving us aid against al-Qaeda.
@ Carolina Girl:
Right, Obama will not buck the unions.
@ bluliner10:
Didn’t Terry Nichols meet with that Filipino Islamist group? I remember reading he had met with them back in 94.
All the strong men in the middle east that kept Islam at bay are being removed…the real goal of the Arab spring is Caliphate.
@ bluliner10:
Indeed -- I recall some vague aspersions by Jones during the OK City bombing trial that Nichols received instruction on the manufacture of a fertilizer bomb from someone in the Splodeydope brethren in the Philippines. After all, it was most effective in 1993 at the WTC.
@ Rodan:
That’s the story I heard as well. I seem to recall Muslim affiliation but I can’t be sure at this moment.
Rodan wrote:
@ Carolina Girl:
Terry Nichols was in the Philipines at the same time Khalid Sheik Mohammed was, IIRC, but there is no proof that they met. It is an interesting coincidence, if you believe in coincidences. That was when KSM burned down his hotel, IIRC.
@ Carolina Girl:
@ RIX:
I think there was an AQ link. But we downplayed it because the Clinton Administration as helping Al-qaeda fight the Serbs. Back in 94/95 the theme was the evil Serbs. If an Islamic connection came out, people would have been rooting for the Serbs.
Carolina Girl wrote:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/11/obamas-support-for-violent-union-members-and-disdain-for-afp-n1464645
Except he didn’t stay out of it.
@ RIX:
We ruled out that sketch of “suspect no. 2″ that didn’t resemble McVeigh, Nichols or even Fornier as just someone who was at the rental office that day, correct?
Iron Fist wrote:
Yup, that is a confirmed fact. See my #56 as to why the Islamic link was hidden.
@ RIX:
Yeah, the same people that gave such a good description of Tim McVeigh also ID’d John Doe #2, whom the Clinton Administration assured us did not exist. We kno wthat the Clinton Administration would never lie to us about anything so important, right?
@ Mars:
Oh and Jay Carney weighed in on the violence.
(In reference to the “Blood in the streets.”)
Rush stop playing tape of Hillary’s laugh…my head is going explode!
@ Mars:
They are cool with violence. check out DOD, Charles is OK with violence. Progressives love violence.
Storagemanager wrote:
Yeah, Huffington post has over a dozen articles saying the same thing. Same with the daily kooks.
So, how do you INTERPRET Sharia law wrt beheading, stoning to death, et al? Maybe it’s whether you behead someone with a dull knife or a sharp knife? Or if you start from the front instead of the back of the neck? Yep. Lots of room for interpretation. Sharia law financing is bullsh!t too. Instead of charging you interest, they just add all the interest to the price up front when you get the loan. That’s what I’ve read.
@ Rodan:
It is possible. Clinton also needed something to counter the militia movement. So the doctrine that McVeigh was an “anti-Government Militia-type” was born, even though his only connection to the militia movement was being told to get lost by one of the groups. Clinton was ascumbag and a liar. I don’t think you can take anything he said at face value.
Rodan wrote:
Of course they are. Progressivism is all about vengeance. They want revenge for everything including bullying in school (though I’m pretty sure the union thugs were on the other end), not getting what they wanted for “Winter Solstice”, and potty training.
@ Mars:
Of course, no one mentions that no having to pay union dues puts more money in the laborer’s pocket as well.
Mars -- I had not heard that quote by him. I’d heard Carney huffing and puffing like the Big Bad (Ball-less) Wolf he tries to be and I’d similar sentiment spoken by the thugs and their overlords, but this is the first time that I’ve heard Obama berate right to work laws.
Hmm… suddenly that NLRB attack on Boeing is even more sinister.
Under the Ozero regime, ‘reparations’ for slavery are like any other form of greed. The need for payback is infinite.
Iron Fist wrote:
Yup, it was a confluence of events. I think Timothy McVeigh was set up. i am not defending the asshole, but OKC smells like a sting operation/false flag. Clinton’s political comeback began with OKC bombing. Remember back then, we were allies with AQ. It would not be hard to get them to goad McVeigh into doing this.
@ Rodan:
Oh hell, Clinton hated calling terrorism terrorism. The didn’t treat any of the Muslim terror attacks (WTC, USS COLE) as terror; however, Koresh, McVeigh -- that was all about terror -- because it was domestic.”
And yes, your point is well-taken re Clinton’s downplay -- it’s hard to sell a war in Bosnia where you’re defending Muslims on the one hand, and those self-same Muslims are trying to kill US on the other.
@ Carolina Girl:
Then there is the conspiracy theory that mcveigh’s speedy execution was to keep him quiet.
MikeA wrote:
Clear and present danger to all democracies, collectivism is. (That was Yodaspeak)
@ Carolina Girl:
It’s even worse. There is evidence that the CIA arranged flights to bring in Al-Qaeda, Hizb’ALlah and Iranian Revolutionary Guard fighters into Bosnia.
See Iron Fist’s #66. He nails it about what OKC was about.
@ Mars:
Jacobin France, Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, Maoist China and Khmer Rouge Cambodia are shining examples of what the Progressive end game is.
@ Carolina Girl:
58 | December 13, 2012 1:45 pm
@ RIX:
We ruled out that sketch of “suspect no. 2″ that didn’t resemble McVeigh, Nichols or even Fornier as just someone who was at the rental office that day, correct?
reply | quote
They just brushed off that tidbit.
The Clinton narrative was that the thing was a job by anti government
Christians, inspired by Rush Limbaugh.
Iron Fist wrote:
There arefew in politics, or in political media for that matter that that sentiment would not apply, IMHO.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Yep, especially since the union thugs on the talk shows are all holding the Boeing negotiations up as how unions are still needed and things can go right.
citizen_q wrote:
There’s no truth to that claim.
He waived his own right to appeal and asked to be executed.
@ yenta-fada:
The Pigford settlement for “Black farmers” is nothing BUT slavery reparations.
@ lobo91:
He wanted to be a Martyr.
Rodan wrote:
It never fails. Every case, ever time.
When you tell that to a liberal they get all huffy and proclaim “That’s because we weren’t in charge.”
Part two of the progressive mentality. I am the smartest person to have ever lived.
Part three is that there is no higher power than yourself. Religion is for controlling the masses, god has no power of me, however.
(I was actually using “you”, then remembered that to a liberal there is no you. It is all about “me”.)
@ Mars:
The NLRB should be defunded until such time as it actually has a lawful quorom to meet.
Only 2 of the current members have been confirmed by the Senate.
@ RIX:
Yep -- “hate radio” they called it. That it was Rush Limbaugh and others who urged McVeigh to commit the crime.
No, it really wasn’t. It was watching 88 people being incinerated because the government didn’t know when to back off and let it go that pissed him off.
It also shows you how really CLUELESS Janet Reno is -- first reports were “it’s the Mideast terrorists” and no one bothered to look at the damn date. I remember someone in my office at the time, who, when they heard the “it’s the Muslims (or whatever) comment -- said “bulls--t — look at the calendar.”
lobo91 wrote:
I’m thinking it should just be disbanded. All that is happening is it gets filled up with union stooges by the lib presidents and never gets changed up by any republican.
@ lobo91:
Actually, I understand that there is a lawsuit pending regarding the illegal appointments by Jerk the Wonder Prez to the Board.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Yes, there is.
@ lobo91:
Interesting, I did not know that.
@ Carolina Girl:
Clinton needed a boogeyman & Muslims didn’t work for him.
@ citizen_q:
I believe Mark Levin’s Landmark Legal Foundation is assisting. IIRC (and Lobo will let us both know if I don’t RC), it involved Obama’s illegal declaration of Congress as being “in recess” in order to make the appointments when in fact Congress had not only not declared itself in recess but was making every appearance of still being in session.
citizen_q wrote:
There are all sorts of mandatory appeals on death penalty cases. He’d still be in prison awaiting execution today had he not waived his appeals, against the advice of his attorneys.
@ RIX:
He also needed a takedown of Limbaugh in advance of the 1996 elections, I have no doubt. After all, say what you like about him, he was influential enough in the elections of 1994 that the House freshman class made him an honorary member.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Right. Only the House and Senate can decide when they’re in recess.
If the president could make that determination, he could appoint people at lunchtime or on a weekend.
lobo91 wrote:
My personal favorite comment in the days prior to the execution, was Jay Leno’s: “they’re going to bury him face down so that he can see where he’s going.”
New thread.
@ Carolina Girl:
I wish Mark all the luck in the world with that. Seems to me that comrade zero has been very effective in working outside of thelaw when it suites him.
@ lobo91:
He did that last year.
@ lobo91:
I’m sure he’s considered it -- but Valerie probably said “no, even I don’t think we can get away with it.”
@ Carolina Girl:
Ramzi Yousef is the nephew of Khalid Sheik Mohammad, and was working with Jemmah Islamiyah and the Abu Sayyaf Group in the Southern Philippines. Yousef was convicted in abstentia of his role in attempting to blow up the WTC 1993, was in the Philippines attempting to assassinate the Pope during a trip to Manila, and was studying his uncles proposal to blow up international airlines flying to the US or Operation Bojinka. McVeigh and Nichols received a lot of support and instruction from AQ linked elements. In OKC, there were 23 witnesses who put an Iraqi ex-pat named Hussein al Husseini in the company of McVeigh before and the morning of the bombing. al Husseini was a probable Republican Guard member who was recently arrested for beating another homeless guy with a bottle in Massachussets. On 11 Sept, al Husseini was working as a food caterer delivering food to airlines at Logan Int’l.
bluliner10 wrote:
HOLY. CRAP. BATMAN.
But. That is a common name. Sure it’s the same guy? Got pics? We could find the sketches of the ‘other unknown’ and compare.
@ bluliner10:
Wait a sec -- missed something on the first read.
ANOTHER homeless guy? al Husseini is homeless?
Sharia law? I’ll give you Sharia law … YOU CANT HANDLE SHARIA LAW
@ eaglesoars:
Hussein Hashem al Husseini is a unique case. He matches the description of John Doe #2, was witnessed by one lady in the building as he climbed out of the Ryder truck. He was witnessed at the hotel that McVeigh stayed at, he was witnessed in a bar with McVeigh on a few occasions, and would later get a DUI leaving after the bombing.
He tried to sue Jayna Davis and the newschannel she worked for by tailing him so hard, though he was never identified by ‘face’ or name. He eventually ended the lawsuit. He was undergoing psychiatric care for unknown issues, but telling was a statement that he had dreams of McVeigh telling him he should be in the chair with him, and of the children killed in the daycare. Then was leaving OKC for Boston, and stated that if something bad happened there, he would be blamed. The FBI did interview him several times but amazingly it ended right there. As suddenly as the John Doe number two picture disappeared from our TV screens.
@ eaglesoars:
This is a link to the author and the book Jayna Davis 3rd Terrorist
She covered it from the first bricks falling. I do have a special interest in this, as I was recruiting in Austin, OKC was one of our other Recruiting Stations in the 8th Marine Corps District. I did not know the Captain or the Sergeant that was killed, but an acquaintance of mine from my first trip to my current battalion 91-94, had his legs crushed by his desk falling over. He came to to a bright shiny day and a huge hole in front of him.
@ bluliner10:
Can you tell me where I can get a pic of al Husseini?
Oddly enough: When I worked at MCI, I had a colleague who was moving back home to OKC after her baby was born. It was a great baby shower and that was one beautiful little boy. Her family went home and we all waved goodbye.
That little boy was in the dayccare center. He survived.
That day -- as the news filtered in -- and we knew only that his mom was at the hospital and we didn’t have any details….this shit gets personal.
Another link with the current story of the beating in Quincy, MA
http://www.fontcraft.com/liberty/?p=38747
@ bluliner10:
excellent, thanks. I have to do dinner prep, I’ll do detail work later.
Susan Rice has withdrawn her name from consideration for Sec State.
@ eaglesoars:
All things considered a very good day!
Iron Fist wrote:
Oh, the irony!
After the Castro brothers die, Elian may end up being more free than any of us stranded in what was once was the land of opportunity.
Yes, I am continuing with my plans to emigrate.
No, it won’t be to Cuba.