The Saturday Lecture can be found posted earlier.
On the tragic loss of 20 innocent children.
Posted by doriangrey1 on December 15, 2012
If the individual is responsible, then there is nothing that the political class can do. Their are no laws they can pass, no money for them to appropriate, no committees to chair, no hearing to hold, no power to be obtained. It really is that simple.
What the shooter in Connecticut did when he took all those poor innocent lives was endemic of a mentality that has been carefully cultured in our society by our political class and the Fifth Column Treasonous Media. They have carefully nurtured a hedonistic narcissistic class of individuals for whom the notion of personal responsibility is alien and foreign. They have done this over the last 5 or 6 decades for one very simple reason, because it is profitable for them.
The media uses the allure and promise of sex to sell everything from candy to shoes. 15 and 16 year old girls are sexed up to sell lipstick, face-cream and hair care products to 30 and 40 year old women under the unspoken promise that if they just use these products they will look and feel like teenagers again. Scantily clad women are used to sell mid 20 through 50 year old men practically every product known to man, from shaving cream to power-tools and alcohol.
For the political class, the less each individual is responsible for their own actions, the more the state must step in and intervene and assume that responsibility. With each failure of the individual to take responsibility for their own action another law must be passed, another committee must be chaired, a study must be funded money and power must flow to those in the political class who will protect society from the wanton abandonment of moral and ethical responsibility by the individual.
Through propaganda and indoctrination that spanned his entire life, the young man who took so many innocent lives in Connecticut had carefully been conditioned to think certain things. What some of those things were can be deduced by the nature of the actions that he took. Through years of indoctrination he had been taught to see the entire world as revolving around him. His want’s, desires, needs, goals, aspirations, for his entire life he was taught that these were the most important things in life.
Moreover and perhaps even more importantly he had been indoctrinated into believing that the responsibility for, and any consequences of, his actions existed exclusively in the hear and now. In order for anyone to commit an atrocity of the nature and magnitude that he did there are several things that it is absolutely imperative that you believe.
You absolutely have to believe that something in your life is so painful and torturous so impossible to endure that the only possible solution, the only conceivable alleviation of that suffering is the heinous atrocity you are perpetrating. You have to be completely and totally of the belief that any consequence that might come after your actions is worth enduring in order to provide the relief from your current situation.
What we know by the Connecticut shooters final act is, that he did not believe that there would be any eternal consequences that would compare to those that he would face here and now because of his actions. By committing this atrocity and then killing himself he made the simple statement, Game Over, I Win.
No, it was not the guns fault, it was not the fault of inadequate firearms regulations, it wasn’t the fault of poor or insufficient mental health care. It wasn’t even the fault of the people around this young man who failed to see the warning signs of his coming actions. Regardless of the amount or degree of vile and despicable indoctrination from the Fifth Column Treasonous Media heaped on him during his life, honestly it isn’t even their fault. No matter how much the media indoctrinated him to believe that his needs could supersede those of his victims, that when he died it was over and there was nothing else, in the end, that young man, and no one else is responsible for his actions.
Meanwhile back in the real world, the carrion feeders in the Fifth Column Treasonous Media and the Political Class continue to put every bit of energy they can muster into finding any and every conceivable way to exploit this tragedy, to wring every last dollar, every last microgram of power and authority out of a shocked, horrified and painfully vulnerable public. The vultures in the Fifth Column Treasonous Media will interview the shocked and devastated survivors while the Political Class parasites pontificate and bluster with great verbosity attempting at all costs to assign blame for this horrific tragedy on something that they can exercise authority over. This is the culture they have created, that they knowingly and with a foreknowledge of malice continue to sustain.
Why? Because as I said before, it is profitable to them, power and money. Yes, it really is that simple.
Overall true. But I’d drop the sex part, because at the moment that doesn’t seem to bear on the issue.
As rayra at GCP posted yesterday….
@ Mike C.:
i was just going to reference that tune.
coldwarrior wrote:
It crossed my mind while I was writing that as well.
@ coldwarrior:
I felt the lyrics were enough -- didn’t feel like posting a video.
Prophetic lyrics, though, aren’t they?
doriangrey wrote:
we are going to run this thread till about 3 or 4 this afternoon.
thx for the contribution
Er, make that “Prophetic.”
Sorry.
Mike C. wrote:
perfect.
Mike C. wrote:
Not so much prophetic as very insightful observations.
the predictable onslaught on the 2d amendment is just hours away
I hope Alan Gura is felling good and in fine form, because, as Bob said, “A hard rain’s a gonna fall…”
ouch…good post
coldwarrior wrote:
Oh, it has already started, from all the usual and expected suspects.
Crap. “Feeling.”
Might be a good time to buy one’s self some extra Christmas presents. They can always fall overboard during a fishing trip, yes?
@ doriangrey:
i’m in the middle of 2 day and now 2 mid shifts (gotta go to bed soon) so i was spared all of the crap on the news.
oddly, most of the medical types i work with agreed that one or two armed teachers (and trained and certified) isnt a bad idea.
i was VERY surprised buy the ammount and types of guns some of these peeps (especially the females) i work with have!
WOW!!!!
Mike C. wrote:
Indeed, some fishing trips have that tragic nature to them.
coldwarrior wrote:
It is always encouraging to discover that not everyone in America is batshit insane.
Dorian,
As a counterpoint, there are some indications that the shooter was not mentally stable.
In your opinion, does there exist mental conditions where a person may be considered not to be able to function as a rational actor?
It is clear that this person was solely responsible for this tragedy. Whether or not he is competent bares little impact on the course of action had he surrendered (lock him up for life or execution). But I am not altogether convinced that this is necessarily the best representation of the worst case scenario results of the culture and glorification of violence that people in the entertainment industry produce and people in the media promote.
We have had many recent examples of clearly rational actors committing or promoting acts of violence (the shooting in Beaver falls and the Union assaults in Michigan just to name a few). These seem to be better examples.
Coldwarrior,
you didn’t ban “theoutsider”, did you ? He didn’t insult a commenter of the blogmocracy but Assad and this is certainly not a “blog crime”
unclassifiable wrote:
Do such cases exist, yes without a doubt, but not in this case. The premeditated execution of 20 kindergarten children one by one excludes any possibility that he was unable to function as a rational actor.
Guggi wrote:
If he did, it would not have been for insulting Assad or anyone else, it would have been for his language, which coldwarrior repeatedly asked him not to use.
@ doriangrey:
Well this may be the semantics were we disagree.
I think really psychotic people can do exactly that. OCD folks will do the “one at a time” thing quite well but otherwise be totally off of their rocker. The shooter and his Mom are dead so we will have to await the allegorical evidence and, unfortunatly, that is being manipulated by the TFCM.
And another unfortunate issue is that quite a few folks who SHOULD be dedicated to the scientific method have, instead, been co-opted by the TFCM to spin findings for “the common good”.
We have a few folks on the blog who are better versed on the psychiatric aspects of this than I am.
It’s possible to insult Assad? Who knew?
As I switched between news channels last night I heard yet again, the one thing that drives me right up the wall -- to the point of yelling out loud at the tv: The damn violins/slow piano crap they come up with for every new tragedy. Its incomprehensible to me that people can be so damned calculating -- and like always, its done all in the name of ‘ratings’. How they can stand themselves … just disgusting to me.
And, nice job Dorian, I think you ’bout covered it all.
Definitely one of your best works, Dorian. I would only add that you allow for the possibility that the young man was simply nuts; possibly taking orders from a dog named Ralph, or an unseen entity from the planet Meepzor or some such.
Guggi wrote:
not banned at all.
I like the idea about arming teachers. I feel the irony however, of that suggestion is lost on many as are the numerous things already employed to run day-to-day operations of schools (controlled/locked entrances,exits; bulletproof glass, controlled movement of students, etc.) -- that we would attempt to make a place to protect innocents (school) more like that of a place where we house the guilty. (prisons)
Or, perhaps -- that is the end goal?
Brick wrote:
Perhaps I should have allowed for the possibility of insanity, but I intentionally chose to leave that possibility out in this case because I simply cannot accept that any level of insanity could survive the act of premeditation and dedication required to execute 20 screaming crying hysterical and attempting to flee and hide kindergarten children.
Remember, those poor babies knew what he was doing to them, they watched in abject horror as he killed their teacher, then one by one killed them. I simply refuse to accept that he was able to kill all of those children without the reality of what he was doing penetrating whatever mentally disturbed state or level of clinical insanity that he was suffering.
This has probably already been said but I’ll say it again.
And this is not to blame anyone but the shooter. After Virginia Tech, etc. -- how many times do you need to see that ONE adult legally armed could have saved so many lives. Just one.
This is what self-imposed gun control looks like. Slaughter.
I cannot imagine -- I will not go there for my own mental well-being -- what all those mothers who will never hold their babies again --
ONE. ARMED. ADULT.
And what did they have? A buzzer system at the door? Over the intercom? They got most of the kids out in a well-ordered line?
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
@ eaglesoars:
good point (aside from the f bomb at the end…i just asked someone else to be easy on the language…so to be fair…)
gun free zones are nothing more than a potential slaughterhouse.
One of the points we really have to make clear is that when deterrence works no one gets hurt. This fact does not fit in with the liberal agenda and must be suppressed at all costs.
doriangrey wrote:
its a losing battle on my part.
Guggi wrote:
He’s not ban. The Outsider was on 2 days ago.
@ eaglesoars:
Completely agree. Cavuto was on last night and asked if it was reasonable to have armed security at all schools. The guest (do not know who that was) said yeah. Then Cavuto went on to movie theaters, churches, libraries, your house, and basically anywhere there are more than one person gathering. The reductio ad absurdum was spot on. A few armed citizens in the right place is the only solution.
unclassifiable wrote:
a concept lost on many.
i am going to bet that the official line from the dems will be to not act on gun control. oh, they will fuel the fire and use it to distract everyone from the fiscal mess., but i dont see any real effort to ban guns again. its a losing issue that will cost anyone who does it dearly at the polls. we will see if the dems can be super disciplined and avoid this issue that they were hammered on in the past.
@ Rodan:
Charles has proven what a diabolical genius he is.
He sent agent provocateur extraordinaire Johnnydowrong 2
to disrupt operations yesterday.
He may be the most ridiculous so far.
Brick wrote:
I dont think arming teachers would work. I think most teachers would not have any chance against such a killer, who planed to kill himself anyway.
You can be happy if those teachers do not hurt themselves with a gun.
fortunately, i have been spared the ridiculous news coverage because of sleep and work.
night all! (midnight shift awaits)
FNC is reporting that Hillary has fainted, suffering a concussion.
She is resting at home.
@ coldwarrior:
It’s sad that a Lefty gets Syria more than some on the Right.
Meanwhile every Righty website except ours is calling for US intervention in Syria.
@ Rodan:
That would be a no win situation.
What is driving these murders are not guns…
coldwarrior wrote:
Apologies. Won’t happen again.
@ Rodan:
@ RIX:
That’s all well and good but this administration is desperate for distractions from the soon to be all too real consequences of their unsustainable policies.
After all they probably feel like they got all the public input they needed when Obama was re-elected.
It’s FDR writ stupider.
eaglesoars wrote:
Chuckle chuckle, have gotten my knuckles rapped a couple of times too…
@ unclassifiable:
If I was betting, I would bet that Obama gets us involved
in Syria.
Air support at the very least.
@ coldwarrior:
I wouldn’t put it past O to trot out some proposals anyway. He’s no more loyal to the Dems than he he is to anything other than himself. If he can put on the sackcloth and ashes and be seen crying “Repent! Repent!” enough, he might garner a second Peace Prize, or at least a lot of profitable gigs down the road. What does he care if some Dem congressman or senator loses an election? In fact, it doesn’t even matter if he tries abrogating the 2nd by Executive Order and then gets smacked down by SCOTUS, does it? As the bard said. “The play’s the thing!”
@ RIX:
New troops in both Iraq and Turkey.
Look, I’ll admit that I have supported most military actions. That said, one of the controlling factors in my support is if you feel that the leadership is sufficiently engaged with the action and has clearly communicated the reason and objectives.
I may be accused of having blinders on when there was a (perceived) conservative in charge. OK. Guilty.
But if the blinders come off now, am I to be accused of bias because I’m not letting the Dims “have their turn” at international brinkmanship?
Let’s be clear. The DNC’s overall attitude about the military just plain stinks on many levels. The GOP is a mixed bag on this account but if you look at the overall disposition of the troops towards the respective CIC’s I think you get a pretty good idea at who is at least perceived to be more competent.
coldwarrior wrote:
ok, thank you
@ coldwarrior:
@ eaglesoars:
@ doriangrey:
Are we really cutting down on cussing? Y’all have been pretty lenient with me. Maybe it is that golden combination of cussing with stupid that crosses the “red line” (gawd there’s that term again)?
Then again I have probably crossed that line too at times. I’ll try to be careful.
@ Mike C.:
My problem is that we send our troops with no winning strategy.
They get killed and maimed & we don’t have a goal.
If we are going to go after Al Queda on the Arabian Penninsula, lets
do it.
Otherwise bring the troops home.
Good Grief, it’s taking so long for my e-mail server to respond that I now suspect Erick Holders Department of Injustice must be examining every bit of e-mail traffic going in and out of my account. I guess they really didn’t like my last article about them.
@ eaglesoars:
Ultimately we would be a much safer society if the average adult carried a gun. You aren’t going to be able to sell that though. People want to be taken care of, not take care of themselves. At least that is what I take away from the last election.
unclassifiable wrote:
Their house, their rules.
Can’t go to an open house party, poop on the rug and complain about the guest list.
Iron Fist wrote:
Our ‘hood has 72 houses. 58 of them have registered weapons. ALL 58 are registered to the women.
Fairfax County Police love us. Srsly.
RIX wrote:
She probably fainted because Ambassador Stevens showed up as the Ghost of Christmas to come.
Crossing the (red) line and the fiscal cliff.
@ eaglesoars:
Agreed.
@ eaglesoars:
You have gun registration in Virginia?? I guess I won’t be moving there!
@ doriangrey:
Just explain to them that you are one of theirs and you are one of those “cranky old racist plants” to discredit conservatives.
It will take them about a year or two to actually corroborate that. Should be enough time to go underground.
doriangrey wrote:
She did have the flu, but Stevens would have freaked for sure.
Susan Rice said that Hillary was too tired to do the talk
shows after Benghazi.
That was a slap at her.
RIX wrote:
Maybe she has contracted a certain virus that starts with Flu like symptoms…
@ unclassifiable:
It does not help that the National Republican Party is helping this clown. I wish the Local GOP’s would take control of the party.
@ Iron Fist:
Our old pal Chucky is calling for Gun Control.
@ doriangrey:
@ RIX:
You know she has pretty much been stabbed in the back at every turn by Democrats.
We might be able to turn her.
@ unclassifiable:
It depends on the time of day.
@ Rodan:
Well I have almost pretty much given up on the party.
I think a better role for me might be amateur classical liberal agitator.
Of course the short form is “old crank” but I am beginning to warm up to that tag.
doriangrey wrote:
She is a Clinton, anything is possible.
Did anyone blame Boeing when their planes killed 3,000 people on 9/11/2001 ?
Did anyone ever consider this nutjob got his guns from the Fast and Furious people ? Or that more people are killed in Mexico every day from Obama’s Fast and Furious guns than were killed in CT yesterday ?
Anyone tie together that all the recent shootings have been done by College students ? WTF are they teaching them ? Answer: hate!
hate for whitey, America, the rich, heteros, believers, conservatives, etc.
And all that was said about the media/Holywood is true -- THEY PERPETUATE, ACCENTUATE AND AGGRAVATE THE HATE. (the money quote)
@ Rodan:
OK so keep it out of prime time and on the OOT?
unclassifiable wrote:
They did stick it to her.
See ya later.
unclassifiable wrote:
Schadenfreude is watching the Democrat Party subject Hillary Clinton to the death of 1000 paper cuts…
Iron Fist wrote:
pfft. It takes 3 minutes to do the background check when purchasing a weapon -- as in have you committed a violent felony recently? -- and your name goes in a database somewhere. I think. I think that because a few years ago when the police decided to stop by because of the nutcase kids next door -- they knew what weapon I have.
There is no paperwork to file here unless you go for concealed carry. That’s about 4 pages.
The police here -- I can’t say enough good about them. I remember NT2U talking about corrupt cops in her town -- but the cops here? As far as I can tell, we are beyond lucky……one of them told me that every cop in the world knows women are the most dangerous animals on the planet so they are pretty aware that this neighborhood is armed by women. To the teeth.
What really pisses me off are these so-called “celebrities” launching screeds against guns when it is the entertainment industry, with Hollyweird as their capitol city, that is the most prolific purveyor of all manner of violence. Every day millions of children watch thousands of people being murdered and assaulted in movies and on TV. Every day millions of children, via video games, take part in the virtual slaughter of millions of humans, zombies and other critters. And the irony is that all of those celebs who create all of the onscreen violence live behind layers of private and public security provided by people with guns. The stench of their hypocrisy is overwhelming. Not only that, I’ve never heard of most of them.
Iron Fist wrote:
No, there is no gun registration in Virginia. Nor is there any waiting period on handgun purchase or limit on number of handgun purchases/month. We have legal open carry, too, something Texas doesn’t have. And getting a CCW permit in VA is about as easy as it is in any state that still requires one (4 states don’t.)
@ huckfunn:
Here is your cultural ammo.
The Hungerford Massacre.
The UK. Where guns are banned.
gotta go.
@ Mike C.:
Regardless of that last national vote, VA at the state level is moving right, not left.
Mike C. wrote:
Yeah, we do. But I find it to be a bit dicey. I don’t want to be in the bank noticeably armed. Target for the bad guys. Also, in the grocery store? For some reason, it freaks out many people.
*sigh*
@ eaglesoars:
Oh, exercising that right will get one introduced to a wide range of local and state LEOs, no doubt about it, because people freak out. But it is legal.
Four years I watched the Trailriders in their horse-drawn wagons and on horseback riding into Houston to participate in the annual rodeo, and it always looked fake, because all these cowboy wannabes had not a Colt or a Winchester in sight. That’s just wrong…
ferb123 wrote:
Sorry Ferb even though you make a valid point it has been proven wrong multiple times already.
In every situation where a gunman attacked and firearms were available the gunman was taken out before the situation escalated out of control. Casualties were kept to a minimum.
The facts just don’t support your theory.
http://www.davekopel.com/2a/othwr/principal&gun.htm
http://www.schoolshooters.info/PL/Prevention_files/Ten%20Lessons.pdf
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/25/153427.shtml
I’ve noticed a very bad pattern going on though. In the last couple school shootings there is a call for profiling the children going on. Even in this case I’ve seen a little of that, but from what I can see since he wasn’t a student, it wouldn’t have changed anything.
Profiling the kids is a bad idea, as it leads to preemptive punishment for crimes not committed, and frankly makes it more likely they will be committed.
@ unclassifiable:
Use your desecration.
@ huckfunn:
Here is how the Entertainment industry should be dealt with.
Tax Them!
Mayor Mike Bloomberg calls for more gun laws
Rodan wrote:
I wonder what ‘immediate action’ means exactly…as usual these guys are just blowing smoke and rarely provide any details
@ heysoos:
It’s to “feel” good.
@ Rodan:
Bloomberg can talk when he walks through Harlem without a bodyguard.
@ huckfunn:
Of course, they made their statements behind iron gates with their armed security standing nearby.
@ Brick: At least the principal? I’m usually down on teachers, but the teachers here performed with as much courage as any Navy Seal.
Check this out.
Yes that is a teacher with a long gun ostensibly to protect her students.
h/t Powerline.
@ Rodan:
Rodan, sometimes your are a veritable Yogi Berra:)
And that is not a bad thing.
The community sets the boundaries through conventional policies agreed upon in a legislature. By law should this guy have been allowed to run around loose until he committed a crime like this? There is influence from direct law and indirect effects of a law.
At the very least these types of individuals need to be educated that they will lose all love in their life and be shunned by 100 percent of the population. And that the preferable solution to their problem that is torturing them is a self inflicted gun shot wound. If they are such a loser they can’t seek and acquire help.
Help though for the mentally ill is expensive and poorly focused.
Even the insane have lucid thoughts. Are able to make sane decisions while insane. Most of them cope. A few of them crack.
A group assisted living home would have directed this kid better.
It says he the loser had an altercation at the school the day before. As a man when that happens you visit his house and scare the shit out of him. Or the police do. You make the problem he had at the school seem insignificant. There’s a law there.
@ darkwords:
Good God, shooting these innocent children as many as eleven times? Words fail me.
eaglesoars wrote:
it happens….dont sweat it.
(you should hear me sometimes…OH MY!)
eaglesoars wrote:
I used to all the time. I’ve noticed it cuts down considerably on the invitations one gets around the holidays.
Majestic swearing:
Jewish 6-year-old youngest of Newtown shooting victims
The news is hard to read. Just heartbreakers. If I am going to lay a political blame to anyone it would be Obama, union thugs, and OWS. All are ok with violence to achieve social ends. all get all the media coverage they want. All set the tone for this loser killer. However it is not useful as a society to track the tragedy directly back to these people. Better to call out people who can and can’t resolve social problems civilly.