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Justin Raimondo claims that President Franklin D.Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor in advance

by Rodan ( 56 Comments › )
Filed under Anarcho-Capitalism, Humor, The Political Right, World War II at December 18th, 2012 - 7:34 pm

Paelocon whack job Justin Raimondo is known for jumping off the deep end. Dennis (his real name) once wrote an article claiming how better off the world would be with  Japan winning WWII . Now he puts on his pseudo-history expertise and claims FDR knew that Japan was going to attack pearl harbor, but let it happened.

The truth is that, by the winter of 1941, the Americans had decrypted the various Japanese military and diplomatic codes: President Roosevelt, key members of his cabinet, and top military leaders, including Gen. George C. Marshall, US Army chief of staff, had access to this intelligence, which was intercepted, decoded, and transmitted directly to them. We know this because Robert Stinnett, in researching his seminal book, Day of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor, obtained heretofore unknown documents under the Freedom of Information Act, which trace the intelligence stream from interception stations throughout the Pacific to the 36 Americans cleared to look through what was, in effect, a window into Japanese plans and preparations for the Pearl Harbor attack. The President and 35 other Americans in top political and military circles knew where the attack was to take place, they knew when it was to take place, and they watched it unfold, step by step, with full knowledge of its import.

It is widely remarked that even on the eve of Pearl Harbor, the vast majority of the American people stubbornly resisted efforts to drag us into the European war. The Court Historians responsible for constructing the FDR cult would have had great difficulty denying the pattern of presidential prevarication that had us effectively fighting the Axis powers long before war was officially declared. So instead of taking on this impossible task, which would have been laughed out of court, they openly valorized him for his expertise at the art of deception. Thomas Bailey, who taught history at Stanford University for 40 years and authored The American Pageant, long a standard US history textbook, extolled the liar and his lie in his 1948 book, The Man in the Street: The Impact of American Public Opinion on Foreign Policy:

“Franklin Roosevelt repeatedly deceived the American people during the period before Pearl Harbor. He was like the physician who must tell the patient lies for the patient’s own good…. Because the masses are notoriously shortsighted and generally cannot see danger until it is at their throats, our statesmen are forced to deceive them into an awareness of their own long-run interests.”

[….]

Of course it hasn’t, and for a very good reason: the myth of the “sneak attack” on Pearl Harbor is a pillar of the “Greatest Generation” narrative that is the foundation of our interventionist foreign policy. That storyline goes something like this: we “saved” the world from the Axis powers, overcoming our “isolationist” inclinations, and went on to create a “world order” in which we established, forevermore, our duty and destiny to police the four corners of the earth and stand up for Goodness, Justice, and Fair Play. Now that we know how FDR lied us into that war, however, the picture becomes a bit more complicated – and certainly less favorable to an American president described by Gen. Douglas MacArthur as a man who “never told the truth where a lie would suffice.”

Justin (Dennis) Raimondo is a delusional fool. Luckily he has no clout and is in the same category as Charles Johnson. I bet Raimondo thinks 9/11 was an inside job.

 

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56 Responses to “Justin Raimondo claims that President Franklin D.Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor in advance”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | December 18, 2012 7:56 pm

    Raimondo does think that 9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by (surprise, surprise) the Mossad!


  2. Speranza
    2 | December 18, 2012 7:57 pm

    A lot of the Paleocons (and Buchananites) and Ronulans claim that FDR connived in the attack on Pearl Harbor.


  3. Speranza
    3 | December 18, 2012 7:58 pm

    I’d like to shove that cancer stick up Dennis’s bunghole!


  4. Speranza
    4 | December 18, 2012 8:06 pm

    Dennis Raimondo


  5. Speranza
    5 | December 18, 2012 8:07 pm

    In that photo with his cigarette dangling, Dennis looks like(or is trying to emulate) Yves Montand.


  6. Da_Beerfreak
    6 | December 18, 2012 8:09 pm

    Folks in DC Town were expecting the Japanese to attack the US somewhere. The smart money was betting on the Philippines. The attack on Pearl Harbor was a surprise.


  7. brookly red
    7 | December 18, 2012 8:11 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Folks in DC Town were expecting the Japanese to attack the US somewhere. The smart money was betting on the Philippines. The attack on Pearl Harbor was a surprise.

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Folks in DC Town were expecting the Japanese to attack the US somewhere. The smart money was betting on the Philippines. The attack on Pearl Harbor was a surprise.

    I think they may have had an idea an moved the aircraft carriers as a precaution


  8. 8 | December 18, 2012 8:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I’d like to shove that cancer stick up Dennis’s bunghole!

    Please say he isn’t what I think he is….


  9. Da_Beerfreak
    9 | December 18, 2012 8:22 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I think that was just some good luck on our part.


  10. brookly red
    10 | December 18, 2012 8:29 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I think that was just some good luck on our part.

    perhaps, but considering they were the prime targets it was either very good luck or a very good precaution… or they may even have moved them to be in a position to respond to an attack on the Philippines. Who knows.


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | December 18, 2012 8:39 pm

    this guy was one of my profs at Pitt in my graduate program. he contends that we knew that an attack would happen somewhere, we didnt know where or when. i’ll trust the expert on the subject over some punk in a wife beater.


  12. 12 | December 18, 2012 8:59 pm

    Pardon me, but who is this person, and why does anybody care what he has to say about anything? Never heard of him before, and I doubt I’ll ever hear of him again. Where do you find these people, at the local Nutz-R-Us store?


  13. lobo91
    13 | December 18, 2012 9:03 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Pardon me, but who is this person, and why does anybody care what he has to say about anything? Never heard of him before, and I doubt I’ll ever hear of him again. Where do you find these people, at the local Nutz-R-Us store?

    I was wondering the same thing.


  14. Da_Beerfreak
    14 | December 18, 2012 9:04 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Pardon me, but who is this person, and why does anybody care what he has to say about anything? Never heard of him before, and I doubt I’ll ever hear of him again. Where do you find these people, at the local Nutz-R-Us store?

    Has to be from the discount bin… :wink:


  15. 15 | December 18, 2012 9:07 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    I think he’s the antiwar.co m dude. I certainly don’t care what he has to say but sometimes it is funny to watch the monkeys fling poo at the zoo, lol.

    Or something :)


  16. 16 | December 18, 2012 9:10 pm

    @ mskelly:

    Never heard of the site, either. If I want to watch idiots, it’s only 75 miles from here to the US Capitol building…


  17. Speranza
    17 | December 18, 2012 9:12 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I’d like to shove that cancer stick up Dennis’s bunghole!

    Please say he isn’t what I think he is….

    He is (not that there is anything wrong with it).


  18. Bumr50
    18 | December 18, 2012 9:13 pm

    @ mskelly:

    It’s kind of like reality television.


  19. unclassifiable
    20 | December 18, 2012 9:25 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    You know its selling for a discount because a corner of the frontal lobe has been clipped.

    /old vinyl album joke


  20. Da_Beerfreak
    21 | December 18, 2012 9:33 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    You know its selling for a discount because a corner of the frontal lobe has been clipped.

    /old vinyl album joke

    I still have some of those discounted albums in my collection. Those were the good old days, back when a Record Store still sold real records. :wink:


  21. heysoos
    22 | December 18, 2012 9:40 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    You know its selling for a discount because a corner of the frontal lobe has been clipped.
    /old vinyl album joke

    I still have some of those discounted albums in my collection. Those were the good old days, back when a Record Store still sold real records.

    my dear cousin and her hubby went deep into Melody Records in Detroit…they owned a bunch of stores…anyway they had over 20k vinyl records…all stacked up in perfect order in the basement….just walk up and pick out ant record ever made, or nearly so


  22. darkwords
    23 | December 18, 2012 9:42 pm

    Famous actress advocates killing NRA members as a form of social evolution. Made her Movie bones glorifying violence herself.


  23. Bumr50
    24 | December 18, 2012 9:52 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Well, that’s disappointing.


  24. unclassifiable
    25 | December 18, 2012 9:54 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Social evolution will occur when those folks try to kill anyone who belongs to an organization whose members actually train in armed self-defense.

    /first rule of holes Hollyweird types. When you are in one, stop digging.


  25. Speranza
    26 | December 18, 2012 9:59 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Famous actress advocates killing NRA members as a form of social evolution. Made her Movie bones glorifying violence herself.

    I never heard of her.


  26. lobo91
    27 | December 18, 2012 10:05 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    Famous actress advocates killing NRA members as a form of social evolution. Made her Movie bones glorifying violence herself.
    I never heard of her.

    You’ve never seen CSI?


  27. CynicalConservative
    28 | December 18, 2012 10:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    darkwords wrote:
    Famous actress advocates killing NRA members as a form of social evolution. Made her Movie bones glorifying violence herself.
    I never heard of her.
    You’ve never seen CSI?

    What’s CSI?

    /galt


  28. Alberta Oil Peon
    29 | December 18, 2012 10:12 pm

    @ darkwords:
    I guess the meaning of “famous” has changed. I never heard of her either. Hola de Nicaragua, Rodan!


  29. 30 | December 18, 2012 10:14 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Quick drive-by comment:
    Yep. That’s it. They knew something was coming down, but they didn’t know the details (just like 911).

    Everyone knew Japan was expanding its empire because they couldn’t hide it. Although the Allies were reading radio traffic, they hadn’t broken the codes. By the time of Midway, Purple was broken, and that’s what won the war in the Pacific. Without the codebreakers the Allies would have lost WWII (which was merely an extension of WWI).

    Then there is the controversy about FDR’s “Tethered Goats.”


  30. 31 | December 18, 2012 10:16 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ditto.


  31. 32 | December 18, 2012 10:18 pm

    @ unclassifiable:
    Got it. Got most of my albums that way. $1 for a $6 LP was a deal.


  32. Alberta Oil Peon
    33 | December 18, 2012 10:19 pm

    @ lobo91:
    You know, I have seen one or two episodes of CSI, when I’ve been unfortunate enough to be stuck in the same room as a TV playing it. But I can honestly say that I don’t know the names of any of the “stars” and probably wouldn’t recognize them if I ran over one with the good ol’ Suburban. Just faces in a crowd to me.

    And, no, to forestall any bleats, I’m not planning to run any of those clowns over, but some of them, at least, appear to be dumb enough to try to play in traffic.


  33. Speranza
    34 | December 18, 2012 10:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    darkwords wrote:
    Famous actress advocates killing NRA members as a form of social evolution. Made her Movie bones glorifying violence herself.
    I never heard of her.

    You’ve never seen CSI?

    One episode of CSI Miami. With NCIS, NCIS-LA, Criminal Minds, I can only watch so many crime shows.


  34. 35 | December 18, 2012 10:21 pm

    Justin Raimondo is a well-known 911 Truther and one of the first to espouse the “inside job” theory. I met him once at a meeting of the John Randolph Society. He is an associate of Pat Buchanan and Lew Rockwell, a “paleoconservative” and quite delusional. His crowd believes that every conflict in American history was an orchestrated plot to take over the world, that the USA is evil. Their foreign policy positions are very similar to those of the far left. Further, Raimondo is a gay pagan and used to run a website called antiwar.com, which was praised and linked to by Michael Moore.

    Raimondo’s star has faded in recent years, so it is not surprising if you’ve never heard of him.


  35. Speranza
    36 | December 18, 2012 10:25 pm

    Stogie wrote:

    Justin Raimondo is a well-known 911 Truther and one of the first to espouse the “inside job” theory. I met him once at a meeting of the John Randolph Society. He is an associate of Pat Buchanan and Lew Rockwell, a “paleoconservative” and quite delusional. His crowd believes that every conflict in American history was an orchestrated plot to take over the world, that the USA is evil. Their foreign policy positions are very similar to those of the far left. Further, Raimondo is a gay pagan and used to run a website called antiwar.com, which was praised and linked to by Michael Moore.

    Raimondo’s star has faded in recent years, so it is not surprising if you’ve never heard of him.

    He once was a leftist and made the easy transition to paleoconism. The thing he has in common with them – he hates Jews and does not think much about the United States either.


  36. 37 | December 18, 2012 10:28 pm

    @ Speranza:Yes, there is an antisemitic thread that runs through paleo themes. They seem to sympathize with the Axis powers and are very hostile to Israel.


  37. 38 | December 18, 2012 10:28 pm

    @ Bunk X:
    P.S. I’ve got a yellowed paperback copy of David Kahn’s “The Code Breakers” if anyone wants it. It’s an abridged version, but is excellent reading. The full volume goes into more detail and has been updated a few times. (I have two different editions hardbound.)


  38. 39 | December 18, 2012 10:32 pm

    @ Speranza:He seems to like the dangling cigarette pose. He had an earlier one some years back.


  39. 41 | December 18, 2012 10:41 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I tweeted her sorry ass several times today. Super Skank Sandra Bernhard sent out a tweet begging oh Mighty Obama to ban automatic weapons, I informed the moron she might want to Google “1934 Firearms Control Act” and then perhaps consider an education.


  40. 42 | December 18, 2012 10:43 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    It has to really suck to be famous for being fugly.


  41. 43 | December 18, 2012 10:44 pm

    Might have asked to to consider an education. Or perhaps putting a bag over her head to Keep America Beautiful. I forget.


  42. lobo91
    44 | December 18, 2012 10:44 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I’m not aware of a single person who’s been killed with a legally-owned automatic weapon in the US in the past 50 years.


  43. 45 | December 18, 2012 10:45 pm

    @ mskelly:

    I’m not even through it but I’m betting that will need an edit to Non-Accountability Review Board Report (ARB) on Benghazi.


  44. 46 | December 18, 2012 10:47 pm

    Apparently, Our Lady of the Concussion never went to a doctor or was treated. Has she even been diagnosed officially. Or did she just send a lackey to Walgreen’s for a “Home Concussion Diagnosis Kit”?


  45. unclassifiable
    48 | December 18, 2012 10:59 pm

    @ mskelly:

    Start with a quote from Santayana and then lay down the most incessant line of lies since the last White House press conference (or any all of them for that matter).


  46. darkwords
    49 | December 18, 2012 11:03 pm

    @ 29 Alberta Oil Peon: I remember her as the prostitute in China Beach. :-) The medical show about doctors and nurses in Vietnam.


  47. Speranza
    50 | December 18, 2012 11:17 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 29 Alberta Oil Peon: I remember her as the prostitute in China Beach. The medical show about doctors and nurses in Vietnam.

    Kim Delaney was in that show, right?


  48. lobo91
    51 | December 18, 2012 11:19 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    @ 29 Alberta Oil Peon: I remember her as the prostitute in China Beach. The medical show about doctors and nurses in Vietnam.
    Kim Delaney was in that show, right?

    Dana Delaney was in it.


  49. darkwords
    52 | December 18, 2012 11:21 pm

    @ mskelly: local security elements fled and would not help.


  50. 53 | December 18, 2012 11:27 pm

    New OOT upstairs about a five-legged woman and a three-legged man.


  51. darkwords
    54 | December 18, 2012 11:28 pm

    @ 51 lobo91: Correction. The Hot Dana Delaney was in it. :-)


  52. The Osprey
    55 | December 18, 2012 11:29 pm

    This Raimondo critter was a pretty big name in the blogosphere
    right after 9-11…he was the one of the original “troofers” and used to get slagged all the time in LGF back when it was sane. Now the Chuckster probably agrees with him.


  53. Philip_Daniel
    56 | December 19, 2012 1:39 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Raimondo does think that 9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by (surprise, surprise) the Mossad!

    Yeah, the Jews did it, because Muslims are poor innocent exploited colonized indigenous brown-skinned sun-people incapable of military aggression.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!


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