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Why Cain And Abel Are Still Relevant Today

by Flyovercountry ( 248 Comments › )
Filed under Blogmocracy at December 18th, 2012 - 11:30 am

In the wake of last Friday’s tragedy, I have seen the best and worst of people, as is usually the case in the wake of these seemingly endless national crises. My heart goes out to the parents and families who lost loved ones on that day. There is nothing in this world that can compare to the loss of a child, and I am grateful for the fact that I am not fully capable of understanding that pain. Our lives are indeed rare and precious gifts that should not be taken lightly, nor ever treated cheaply.

Each time we have one of these horrific events unfold, (and believe me, noticing that there is such a thing as a context here which includes the phrase, “each time,” is in itself something terrible,) we have a group of people who lead an evil charge which in itself is almost as insidious as the crime itself. The leaders of this movement feign sorrow and grief as a pretext for their own political gain. I do not know what the political leanings of the victims of this tragedy are, nor do I care. That is not what’s important here. What is important is that immediately after the events of Friday unfolded and while those family members were still numb with grief, the anti Second Amendment crowd went into overdrive. Members of the media sent twitter messages to surviving family members trying to solicit anti gun segments for their various talking head television shows. President Obama went to Connecticut on Sunday for a photo op with the grieving families and to deliver his speech supporting an initiative to legislate away our right to bear arms. Senator Feinstein this morning thought that now, the time was finally right to introduce legislation again, that would seek to end gun ownership in America. Any opposition to the mob mentality now capitalizing on the raw emotions of a nation in mourning is of course going to be painted as cruel, callous, and part of a mentally unstable fringe, (while we all no exactly how well reasoned mobs tend to be.)

Just a couple of thoughts however for my esteemed friends of the political left, who lie awake at night hoping for the next American Crisis to unfold, so that they might be able to convince a newly frightened mob to trade away their Constitutional Rights for the illusion of that warm and fuzzy feeling of security. These thoughts are also aimed at my friends in that mob, those who are sincere in their grief, and are prone to being swept away with the knee jerk reactions so unfortunately prevalent in the national reactions to these types of tragedies. One, unspeakable crimes of violence committed by one citizen of the world against another are as old as man kind itself. All previous attempts to simply legislate this behavior away have met with the same success as banning guns would. That is to say, no success what so ever. For those of you who are Christians or Jews, when Cain killed Abel, back during a time that predated hand guns, he managed to make 25% of the world’s population a victim of violent crime, and he did so in one of those vaunted, “gun free zones.” For those of you who are not Christians or Jews, 5000 years ago, in a book written by man which attempted to give an ethical guidance through allegory to their fellow man, some wise leaders realized that humans taking other humans’ lives in a violent manner was a problem and used one such story as an attempt to show that people should refrain from such behavior, even though 5000 years ago, the entire planet was a, “gun free zone.” What the author of the Bible happened to be, be it God or Man, was insightful. The Bible realized that people will be committing these senseless acts of aggression against each other, and further realized that it is not society as a whole who bears responsibility for their heinous acts, but the individuals who commit these unspeakable acts of evil themselves. It was Cain who killed Abel, and not all of society.

In that same book, written thousands of years ago, were some important pieces of legislation. Those of you who are Christians or Jews believe that the Ten Commandments come from God. One of those Commandments is the prohibition of taking the life of another. those of you who are not Christians or Jews, you can at least recognize that this book which attempted to lend ethical behavior to its readers through faith, also included a law prohibiting this exact type of violence. Murderous rampages were every bit the problem before guns were invented as they are today. The major difference of course is who we blame. In ancient times, we had the wisdom to blame the perpetrators of those crimes, rather than the abstract of society as a whole. If the blame lay strictly with the perpetrator, then it would not be possible to inflict a mob with a sufficient amount of fear in order to have them vote away their own freedom. That’s the reason behind the impassioned pleas to finally do something designed to prevent these heinous crimes from being committed.

The problem of course is that we will never be able to magically legislate Utopia. this is the flaw of the political left, and with the frightened mobs who follow their lead. There will never be that perfect society. No matter what the form of governance, economics, or how our societies are put together, there will be some contradictions. Not everyone will be happy all of the time. Our society of limited government, self determination, and freedom is no exception to this universal truth. Comparing what we have to Utopia, while not comparing it to the alternatives being offered up however is a huge mistake on our part, should we fall for this. I have seen the argument proffered recently that the Second Amendment is somehow an infringement to the ideals set forth in the Declaration of Independence. Putting aside for the moment the fact that this entire line of thinking is silly at best, let’s take a moment to analyze it. First, the Constitution is the law of the land, while the Declaration if Independence is not. Secondly, The Fourth Amendment recognizes our right to be secure in our homes and persons, and to defend ourselves against those who would seek to take our homes, possessions, or very lives from us. The founders of our nation knew that Utopia was not possible, and that evil does in fact exist in this world. British soldiers traipsing about the countryside and disarming the colonists was after all one of the primary reasons that the colonists decided upon revolution. It just so happens that the founding fathers recognized that it is the Second Amendment that allows the remainder of the Bill of Rights to continue to be in existence. There is a reason why the political left wants to rid us all of our ability to defend ourselves, and that reason is it limits their ability to rid us of our free speech, right to be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects, our right to be protected against unreasonable searches,seizures, or confinements.

Rate’s of violent crimes have neither increased nor decreased at all in those societies that have formerly allowed private gun ownership and then banned guns. There are plenty of examples of this having taken place in our world recently. England, Canada, Australia, and Japan have all rescinded their citizens’ right to bear arms. Much like the Biblical example given above, it has done nothing to mitigate the true cause of senseless violence. Crime rates have stayed the exact same. The reason is simple, it is people who commit these unspeakable acts, and it is people alone who bear this responsibility. People, with our ability to rationalize, show great acts of compassion simultaneously with great acts of evil, are the one constant in each of these situations. We can not simply be legislated into being nice all of the time. Gun legislation will not be able to do anything with that fact. All that will happen is that we will limit our ability to defend ourselves when the inevitable does happen, that people will continue being people, no matter what rules we pass in order to alter that fact.

Schools are a, “gun free zone,” which simply means that whenever one of these sick evil individuals decides to demonstrate to the rest of us exactly how cheaply they view human life to be, they will choose that exact location for the tutorial, for that exact reason. Lanza doubtless knew that his mom’s elementary school was the one location where he could shoot up the place unfettered by people shooting back at him.

Life was considered cheap by Adam Lanza, and his ability to procure weaponry was nothing more than an obstacle to be overcome for him. If it had been impossible for Lanza to find a gun, life still would have been considered cheap to him. Cain would still have killed Abel, irrespective of what he had at his disposal.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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248 Responses to “Why Cain And Abel Are Still Relevant Today”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | December 18, 2012 11:50 am

    If Adam and Eve were the first humans and had Cain and Abel, how did the female specious develop?


  2. theoutsider
    2 | December 18, 2012 12:16 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Herman CAIN would be screaming 999 over and over again, 999 over and over. ABEL Maldonado, on the other hand, though he lost his house race, would say cut a deal now.


  3. 3 | December 18, 2012 12:23 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Getting my Chamesh, Stone Edition, now, I’ll get back to you.


  4. 4 | December 18, 2012 12:28 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    I do have to admit that one of the funniest passages from “Inherit the Wind” is this one:

    “And Cain went and dwelt in the land of Nod. And Cain knew his wife. Where the hell did SHE come from?”

    “I don’t know. The Bible does not say.”

    “Think somebody pulled off a creation over in the next county?”


  5. 5 | December 18, 2012 12:35 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Cute!


  6. 6 | December 18, 2012 12:49 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry:
    I do have to admit that one of the funniest passages from “Inherit the Wind” is this one:
    “And Cain went and dwelt in the land of Nod. And Cain knew his wife. Where the hell did SHE come from?”
    “I don’t know. The Bible does not say.”
    “Think somebody pulled off a creation over in the next county?”

    Heh.


  7. MikeA
    7 | December 18, 2012 12:53 pm

    This shows the true nature of why people want to blame guns. They don’t want to look at the idea that people can and will be evil and perform evil acts. It is interesting that when Beslan went down, it was not reported on in as much detail ( in the US at least ) as this terrible act was. Banning an inanimate object doesn’t stop the person who performs the act. In the end, we must look at ourselves and our fellow man as the perpatrator. That is uncomfortable. People also want to “be safe” so they will willingly give up anything to get it, even if its fleeting.


  8. 8 | December 18, 2012 12:58 pm

    @ MikeA:

    You see my point exactly, and I thank you sir! This has been a universal truth since the very beginnings of man, and has not changed in over 5000 years.


  9. RIX
    9 | December 18, 2012 12:58 pm

    It is outrageous for the Left to exploit this before
    all of the children and teachers are buried.
    It is a pattern, Chris Matthews expressed gratitude
    for Hurricane Sandy, because it distracted people and
    helped to elect Obama.


  10. 10 | December 18, 2012 1:06 pm

    @ RIX:

    The Left are to a degree like sociopaths. They see people as ojects, not individuals. These objects are only of value if they support the Left-wing agenda. Otherwise they are meaningless. This attitude leads to far worse than a spree killing. It isd the kind of attitude that lead to Stalin’s manufactured famines and the Gulag. And, too, the Nazi death camps where a person was considered of no utility at all if they were of certain classifications.


  11. MikeA
    11 | December 18, 2012 1:08 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    It is I who thank you for stating an obvious and painful truth that most don’t want to see. If we ban the gun, ban the knife, ban “racism” and make up “hate” crimes, then it will stop. It does not due to man being a fallen creature.

    Many will ask -- “Where was God?” but God was there the whole time. It is us who do not want him. We don’t him to interfere when we lie or cheat or steal or do any number of other things that violate his law but when something like this happens, we want him to stop it. Free will cuts in many ways.


  12. RIX
    12 | December 18, 2012 1:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    A big downside to modern Liberalism is that
    it unleashes base impulses.
    They convince themselves & each other that
    their purity of intention justifies unhinged
    behavior, including smears and violence.


  13. MikeA
    13 | December 18, 2012 1:11 pm

    @ RIX:

    Can’t make the omlette without breaking a few eggs….


  14. song_and_dance_man
    14 | December 18, 2012 1:14 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    If Adam and Eve were the first humans and had Cain and Abel, how did the female specious develop?

    There are some, me included, that believe there were humanoids alive at that time that were just as human as Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel, but did not have the breathe of the spirit that God imparted that made them different from the others and spiritually connected to the Creator.


  15. 15 | December 18, 2012 1:16 pm

    @ MikeA:

    The core of the Left believes that humans are perfectible, if only you use enough force to perfect them. Again, witness the man-made famines in Stalin’s USSR. All in the name of creating the Perfect State. Obama isn’t too terribly far removed from that kind of thnking, and he doesn’t consider himself too terribly constrained by the Constitution. I am really worried about what we may see play out in the next couple fo months.


  16. 16 | December 18, 2012 1:26 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Another point understood and brought home, thank you sir! The left believes that they can legislate Utopia, and that all it will take is to tweak human behavior to a form that they find preferable. The ultimate law giver, God himself passed a law against Murder over 5000 years ago, and guess what, we still have that problem plaguing our society today. No legislation enacted by man, no matter how eloquently worded, will fare any better.


  17. RIX
    17 | December 18, 2012 1:33 pm

    @ MikeA:
    That is their rationale. If people get destroyed, hey
    it’s for the cause.


  18. heysoos
    18 | December 18, 2012 1:34 pm

    I swear, VDH reads this very blog…
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335874/conservative-populism-victor-davis-hanson#

    ” If Obama wishes revenue, then why not slap surtaxes on sports, movie, and concert tickets to the point that Sean Penn, Barbra Streisand, and LeBron James may have to pay a little more of their fair share? Why not go after the hyper-salaries of nonprofits’ executives? If Obama wants “taxes on the rich,” perhaps he should start with new surcharges on the well-paid executives of government-subsidized or tax-exempt entities such as PBS, NPR, the Rockefeller Foundation, and the Tides Foundation.”


  19. 19 | December 18, 2012 1:36 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I said that very thing to Rodan on the phone Sunday night. I said “someone is reading us -- because we say it here and a couple three days later we’re reading it elsewhere.”


  20. lobo91
    20 | December 18, 2012 2:08 pm

    NRA to ‘push back’ soon, sources say

    Amid the tidal wave of shock and grief that followed the mass murder at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., the gun-control lobby immediately launched a well-coordinated campaign to pressure Congress and the Obama administration into enacting stricter regulation of guns and rifles.

    These forces — led by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. — had the playing field largely to themselves.

    That is soon to change.

    Sources close to the issue tell Fox News that the National Rifle Association — which has remained silent since the shooting, chiefly to allow for a proper period for mourning — will soon start to “push back” against the gun-control lobby.

    “If we’re going to have a conversation, then let’s have a comprehensive conversation,” said one industry source. “If we’re going to talk about the Second Amendment, then let’s also talk about the First Amendment, and Hollywood, and the video games that teach young kids how to shoot heads.

    “If you really want to stop incidents like this,” the source continued, “passing one more law is not going to do a damn thing. Columbine happened when? In 1999. Smack in the middle of the original assault-weapons ban.”

    Indications that the NRA will soon end its period of self-imposed post-Newtown silence came after Feinstein announced her plan to introduce an updated version of the assault-weapons ban that she steered to passage in 1994, and which expired a decade later.


  21. unclassifiable
  22. lobo91
    22 | December 18, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    “I don’t think it’s about more gun control. I grew up in the South with guns everywhere and we never shot anyone. This [shooting] is about people who aren’t taught the value of life … I don’t think movies or video games have anything to do with it.”

    When did he become a conservative?


  23. taxfreekiller
    23 | December 18, 2012 2:28 pm

    Marco Rubio,,,”stealth RINO”. A new breed.


  24. 24 | December 18, 2012 2:29 pm

    Well this is just disturbing. A nudge, then a shove, then a bullet it seems. I can’t help but notice how the language in the press release keeps refering to the citizens as subjects….


  25. unclassifiable
    25 | December 18, 2012 2:30 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Not too quick now.

    He still is a big O supporter and made a seriously messed up faux-viral ad supporting Jamie Foxx’s lord and savior.

    Better to let him go off about the !?$&@/ high taxes and all of the $&@!?€£ homeless people hassling him in the street for money.

    Then one day he will wake up and realize.


  26. darkwords
    26 | December 18, 2012 2:32 pm

    Seattle Today:

    Councilmember Bruce Harrell calls for Special Committee to explore a statewide Gun Safety Ballot Initiative.

    Seattle Today, Councilmember Bruce Harrell, Chair of the Council’s Public Safety, Civil Rights and Technology Committee, announced that he is calling for a special committee to explore the option of filing a statewide Initiative to allow larger cities like Seattle to modify RCW 9.41.290. RCW 9.41.290 does not allow Seattle to regulate firearms in any meaningful way.

    The law states, “Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with,
    more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.”

    This Initiative, if passed, would allow Seattle to enact laws that would increase public safety in our neighborhoods, schools and businesses by:
    1. Requiring mandatory gun safety training for concealed carry license
    permits.
    2. Requiring handgun trigger locks.
    3. Requiring gun safes.
    4. Requiring gun data collection.

    Data shows a direct, negative correlation between the rate of gun deaths and states that ban assault weapons and require handgun trigger locks and safes.

    The City Mayor tried to tighten gun control in parks and ran into the state ordinance. Costing the taxpayers a lot of dough for poor thinking by politicians.

    I think if they want to deny guns in a public places they need to staff a gun check in room. Same as for a coat. Secure and responsible.


  27. 27 | December 18, 2012 2:32 pm

    @ lobo91:

    We need to be Loudly pointing out that these people who are anti-Second Amendment are as anti-Civil Rights as if they were pushing to re-segregate schools. If they don’t like the Second Amendment, they need to try to repeal it, but ignoring it, after the Supreme Court has made plain that it is an individual right, smacks of those other great Democrats Orvil Faubus and Bull Connor.


  28. darkwords
    28 | December 18, 2012 2:34 pm

    @ 24 linoleumknife: While i approve of increased talking to criminals by gun toting police. This mayor and this police chief should be fired today not tomorrow. They don’t even know what America is about.


  29. 29 | December 18, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Why should there be a “Large Cities” exception to the Bill of Rights? This is exactly what I was talking about when I said they are anti-Civil Rights.


  30. unclassifiable
    30 | December 18, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ linoleumknife:

    Don’t you just love it when folks will say thousands of words except for the very few that could clear things up for themselves and others.

    “I’m sorry. I was wrong.”


  31. 31 | December 18, 2012 2:36 pm

    @ darkwords:

    It’s a f***ing police state. That is exactly what they are proposing. If this type of thing takes root in this country it won’t be pretty. I don’t like to talk a big game, but at that point “law officers” would be fair game in my eyes.


  32. darkwords
    32 | December 18, 2012 2:37 pm

    @ 27 Iron Fist: I think Congress has few leaders who will stand up to public emotional pressure from this shooting. The NRA closed down its Facebook page which I thought was running away from the issue. The people wanting a quickie short term inadequate poorly thought out solution for their emotions need to be made to understand they aren’t makeing anything safer at all.

    For the lefties I would force them to negotiate. If the argument reaches the level of changing the second amendment, then I would also negotiate for people to think about declaring the country a judeo-christian country. And remove the government from the business of the church.


  33. 33 | December 18, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    They won’t say it because deep down they believe they are right. It’s ego on a dangerous scale.


  34. darkwords
    34 | December 18, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ 29 Iron Fist: I believe this call has gone out on the OBama astroturf grapevine. This guy is testing the water for Obama. Death by 1000 cuts. He needs to be slapped down. Seattle is full of politicians full of themselves. They think they can circumvent actual laws if they are clever and persistent enough. And we reelect them every year.


  35. darkwords
    35 | December 18, 2012 2:42 pm

    @ 31 linoleumknife: When i see the rhetoric of people who want to emotionally change the status quo here, I see violence coming in the streets. I seldom think that way. I need to get a gun. lol. Protection will be needed. Organized resistance. Nip this in the bud.


  36. darkwords
    36 | December 18, 2012 2:42 pm

    The NRA did get front page USAtoday news today.


  37. darkwords
    37 | December 18, 2012 2:44 pm

    I’d say hollywood is more the cause of this kid and lack of parenting. He wore a hockey mask. He got a gun he shouldn’t have gotten.


  38. darkwords
    38 | December 18, 2012 2:46 pm

    @ 23 taxfreekiller: The trouble today is that everyone rising into a national leadership level is groomed to be corporate and maintain a public image. The media hides the clay feet of the left.

    A president should be able to go to a strip club if single. If married only if wife say ok. :-)


  39. 39 | December 18, 2012 2:47 pm

    @ darkwords:

    It’s unfortunate, but I will not be shackled. I have no desire other than to live free and pursue my life in my own way. The left though has no desire to allow me this freedom. It goes back to the old saying, “Don’t start nothin’, won’t be nothin’”!


  40. heysoos
    40 | December 18, 2012 2:48 pm

    the end question is will the SC uphold the constitution or favor lunatic zealots that are oblivious to facts and reason….the GOP should demand from any legislation exactly what that law would achieve if anything….crime stats did not go down when ‘assault weapons’ were banned or vice versa….absent any rationale, anything can happen


  41. 41 | December 18, 2012 2:49 pm

    @ darkwords:

    The Supreme COurt struck down Chicago’s gun ban, and the Seventh Circuit Court just gave the State of Illinois 180 days to come up with a plan to legalize concealed carry. I am sure that they’ll appeal. It will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court does with that case. There is another one working its way through the court system on whether the right to carry a gun is covered in the Second Amendment. It would seem plain that it is, but law needs to be spelled out for the terminally stupid. This is a civil rights fight, ever bit as much as the struggle to de-segregate the school system was a civil rights fight. We’ll see what Obama and the Democrats actually do. The last time they passed a gun control law they lost both houses of congress as a result, and they know that. They are hoping to use the emotion of the moment to push through legislation that cooler heads would refuse to consider. That’s how they got the 1968 Gun Control Act through the congress. It was Democrats that saddled us with that albatross as well.


  42. darkwords
    42 | December 18, 2012 2:51 pm

    @ 11 MikeA: IMO this kid was ripe to be warped by slasher flicks. It would be interesting to hear about their DVD collection. Mom did have enough male or enough church in life to direct him. A kid like this might end up like crap anyone but an adult make close to him should have put some discipline into him. however much people dislike that type of gender solution it works, especially in these hard to reach people.


  43. darkwords
    43 | December 18, 2012 2:56 pm

    IS Obama the new King George III?


  44. darkwords
    44 | December 18, 2012 2:58 pm

    Does a secular person even understand what evil is? I define it as the absences of God in a person’s malicious thinking. Or in spite of.

    God as in a collective intelligently designed consciousness.

    Evil is the absence of God.


  45. CynicalConservative
    45 | December 18, 2012 2:58 pm

    Hmmm, CheaperThanDirt.com no longer sells firearms.

    Sad.

    sample link http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-GL1950203?utm_source=EmailDirect.com&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Xmas9+-+12%2f13+Campaign

    /galt


  46. 46 | December 18, 2012 3:00 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Mom did have enough male or enough church in life to direct him.

    the kid has a father. where the hell was he? and, from what i’ve heard (but no idea if it’s accurate), the dad has the resources to have paid to get the kid mental help. the mom told the babysitter to ever turn your back on the kid. these parents knew their kid was broken when he was underage. they should have taken some action. they were divorced so that likely complicated things.


  47. 47 | December 18, 2012 3:01 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    God as in a collective intelligently designed consciousness.

    what kind of new age gobbledeyspooge is that?

    there is no collective consciousness. i am conscious. you are conscious. we are not the borg.


  48. 48 | December 18, 2012 3:02 pm

    Obama says he’s in favor of re-instating the “Assault Weapon” ban and closing the so-called “gun show loophole”. Joe Manchin, so-called conservative Democrat is all on board. People should know by now that they can’t trust a “conservative” Democrat. There is really no such thing. There are simply Democrats who choose to appear conservative until they are required to make a choice. The choice is always to come out as a Liberal Democrat. That is because that is what they always really were.


  49. darkwords
    49 | December 18, 2012 3:03 pm

    Call of duty player Shooter played gun game. MSM still glorifies him by saying his name. It’s easy to see if a mental illness is making a person obsessed. They become irrational in their obsession. A rational person would not allow guns, steak knives, baseball bats around such a person. This is where mom and dad failed. IF they couldn’t manage it, this did is rich enough to place this kid in a quality assisted living home. At 20 I fail to see why he still lived at home, other than the mom could only cope that way.


  50. MikeA
    50 | December 18, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ Kirly:

    And there is the key to this whole thing. The parents knew this kid was a problem. Knew he had issues but did NOT want to face it. Could have gotten him help but the mom did nothing to stop it. This will not be looked at. They will blame it on guns, not on parents that didn’t want to think that little Johnny or in this case, little Adam, was a sicko. IIRC, the Columbine killers had the same problem.


  51. darkwords
    51 | December 18, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ 49 Kirly: The Dad makes $8000 a week. Look at that house. She didn’t have to work.


  52. darkwords
    52 | December 18, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ 47 Kirly: Just a little joke for any lefty reader.


  53. Speranza
    53 | December 18, 2012 3:06 pm

    theoutsider wrote:

    Herman CAIN would be screaming 999 over and over again, 999 over and over

    Mr. Cain who will win the Super Bowl?
    I don’t know but if they follow my 9 9 9 plan ……


  54. darkwords
    54 | December 18, 2012 3:11 pm

    @ 47 Kirly: The collective unconsciousness comes from Jungian Psychology. I just think of it as another view of God. But I am not a traditional thinker in regards to God. But do appreciate people who are good examples of traditional religion. E.G. I believe in reincarnation.

    But those are swear words to some people. :-) GF is a hard core Baptist who believes none of my nonsense but we seem to get along well over the years. She believes in the young earth concept, I don’t. It helps that she is smart and can argue and confuse me. :-)


  55. darkwords
    55 | December 18, 2012 3:12 pm

    @ 53 Speranza:

    Touchdown!, Safety :-( , Touchdown!, Safety :-( , Touchdown!, Safety :-( ,

    Yes that would win a superbowl easily.


  56. coldwarrior
    56 | December 18, 2012 3:16 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Why should there be a “Large Cities” exception to the Bill of Rights?

    agenda 21


  57. darkwords
    57 | December 18, 2012 3:17 pm

    @ 54 darkwords: Lately I am thinking on how “Christ died for our sins” a lot. And I think I see where that applies in Jungian psychology. Maybe especially there. Jung talks about archetypes in consciousness that influence the growing life of people. I think Christ altered those archetypes. For all the world, not just Christians.

    But I digress. I’ll get off the touchy subject material. :-)


  58. 58 | December 18, 2012 3:18 pm

    @ MikeA:
    @ Kirly:

    Not at all that simple guys, and the only reason I know this is because the little Ms. is a Psych Nurse. The libs have been busy at the state level during recent decades making it almost impossible to force help on the mentally ill who do not want that help. They may have tried to get this kid some help for all we know, and if the kid refused it, well then according to the libtards who wrote these laws, which Connecticut is about the single worst state on this according to Breitbart, then the crazy person has rights.

    This thing comes down to a whole lot of bad policy before we’re done pointing fingers, and it’s mostly the libtards.


  59. darkwords
    59 | December 18, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ 56 coldwarrior: I would think they would be opening themselves up to racial discrimination claims. Black gangs no longer allowed to own a gun? or restricted in a manner white kids on a farm aren’t? Seattle has a history of creating laws that violate the constitutional rights of its citizens. and seattle boycotted Arizona ( and still does) because it thought Arizona was violating the rights of undocumented workers.


  60. 60 | December 18, 2012 3:21 pm

    @ darkwords:

    But that is a scapegoat. I have played “violent” games most of my life. Never once have I decided to go a violent rampage assaulting innocent people. Music, movies, games, books, guns, knives, swords, etc. are not responsible for the actions of any human. Each individual is solely responsible for their actions.


  61. darkwords
    61 | December 18, 2012 3:22 pm

    @ 58 Flyovercountry: Same thing here. No involuntary treatment unless the person is convicted of a violent crime. Usually that is assaulting a relative. Sometimes more than once. Then 48 hours of observation, 2 weeks in monitored care if needed, and 6 months in a half way house. IF no family around anymore. Then back out on the streets with no further assistance.


  62. darkwords
    62 | December 18, 2012 3:27 pm

    @ 60 linoleumknife: Yes I would say 99 percent of people play video games as a healthy activity. There is a small percentage of people who let the mindless violence massage their mind and can’t control any obsessions that develop. It’s not the game, but how malleable they are and what thoughts start to percolate in them regarding how to handle stress. The parents (2) male and female are the best avenue to them to grow and model some behaviors that lets them manage stress.

    I think this kid is common in America today. There are other kids around thinking, yah that is me also. And they worry about it, until they snap and can’t control themselves. Some of them will just kill themselves first. If I was the dad, I would have taken the kid to see a prostitute and gotten their identity obsession fixated on something fundamental. I would also be exposing them to religion of the fundamental direct kind. Putting them in front of a video game as an adult baby sitter is a bad idea.


  63. darkwords
    63 | December 18, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ linoleumknife: I play violent video game also, and some of them are too gruesome for me. But I have no bad effects from them other than carpal tunnel and time wasting some weekends.


  64. coldwarrior
    64 | December 18, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ darkwords:

    rights?

    agenda 21 gives you no rights


  65. coldwarrior
    65 | December 18, 2012 3:32 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    If I was the dad, I would have taken the kid to see a prostitute and gotten their identity obsession fixated on something fundamental.

    i like that treatment plan


  66. 66 | December 18, 2012 3:33 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I agree that parenting and religion are positive and integral to raising a healthy human being. The problem I see with the obsession of what he watched and played, is that in the end it almost always directs the attention of the conversation away from the more direct and important aspects of the individual. Yes his mind may have been more malleable to violence, but he would find violence anywhere he wanted to.


  67. heysoos
    67 | December 18, 2012 3:38 pm

    I have to think Jay Carney is the most stupid person in the BO admin…here Jake Tapper schools him, again
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/violent-videogames-mental-health-and-guns-todays-qs-for-os-wh-121812/


  68. eaglesoars
    68 | December 18, 2012 3:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    agenda 21

    It’s very frustrating to talk to people about that. They look at me as though I should be institutionalized.

    Even Hubby -- who now admits I was absolutely right about Obama and is walking around like he’s been pole axed -- will not believe me about Agenda 21.

    I could just scream.


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | December 18, 2012 3:41 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I could just scream.

    we are cassandra


  70. eaglesoars
    70 | December 18, 2012 3:42 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I have to think Jay Carney is the most stupid person in the BO admin

    Nah. He’s just your garden variety Washington whore. He makes good money lying thru his teeth. Trust me. He thinks WE are the stupid ones. He gets off on it.

    Hillary. Concussion. Benghazi.


  71. Guggi
    71 | December 18, 2012 3:44 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 49 Kirly: The Dad makes $8000 a week. Look at that house. She didn’t have to work.

    No, the mother hadn’t to work (she had Multiple sclerosis) and yes they knew that the son had problems and that’s why the father paid about US 240k a year to support mother and son.


  72. eaglesoars
    72 | December 18, 2012 3:44 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I could just scream.

    we are cassandra

    Snakes licking my ears.

    Thanks. I needed that.


  73. 73 | December 18, 2012 3:45 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Provided, of course, the other side isn’t doing…Touchdown! Field goal! Touchdown! Field goal! Touchdown.

    I am always brought to a giggle when the team that is down by 40 points is on the 40 yard line with 3 minutes to go, at 4th and 1 (or 4th and anything, really). And chooses to punt.

    Guys, you have no hope of winning. This is a GREAT time to see how you do on 4th and damn near impossible situations! Show some spine.

    Of course, they always punt it away and the other side runs it back for a touchdown. *Sigh*

    Maybe the Arizona bowl game last weekend had some NFL coaches taking notice. Down 14 with less than two minutes to play, they came back and won the whole damn thing. I wasn’t online but I would have LOVED to see CW’s response to that ending! P.S. to Boise State -- that blue field REALLY gets on my nerves after awhile.


  74. 74 | December 18, 2012 3:45 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The fact that he is the Press Secretary and his job is to speak for the President in day to day dealings is amazing. He had to have failed highschool speach class.


  75. unclassifiable
    75 | December 18, 2012 3:46 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I brought up the “culture of violence” issue because the libs were pushing thie gun grabbing agenda. I mean if a right is the issue then why not include all of the rights? It was funny when S.L. Jackson and Q. Tarrentino started defending their livelihood.


  76. coldwarrior
    76 | December 18, 2012 3:47 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Snakes licking my ears.

    Thanks. I needed that.

    yer welcome!

    :lol:


  77. 77 | December 18, 2012 3:48 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    OMG….I just Googled Agenda 21.


  78. 78 | December 18, 2012 3:48 pm

    @ linoleumknife:

    He is indicative of the level of competance Obama wants from his people. Obama doesn’t want anyone who is more competant than himself, and it really shows.


  79. 79 | December 18, 2012 3:49 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Scary business huh?


  80. eaglesoars
    80 | December 18, 2012 3:50 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    OMG….I just Googled Agenda 21.

    Get scared. Fast. Also, buy more ammo.


  81. 81 | December 18, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    LOL, the only thing Obama works hard at….


  82. coldwarrior
    82 | December 18, 2012 3:50 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I wasn’t online but I would have LOVED to see CW’s response to that ending!

    that was one hell of a finish!


  83. eaglesoars
    83 | December 18, 2012 3:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Obama doesn’t want anyone who is more competant than himself, and it really shows.

    That explains Mooch


  84. coldwarrior
    84 | December 18, 2012 3:51 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    OMG….I just Googled Agenda 21.

    welcome to our world.


  85. 85 | December 18, 2012 3:53 pm

    @ darkwords:
    if your GF was such a “hardcore Baptist” then she’d know she shouldn’t be unequally yoked with you.


  86. heysoos
    86 | December 18, 2012 3:54 pm

    speaking about Agenda 21, this just popped up
    http://townhall.com/columnists/phyllisschlafly/2012/12/18/the-un-wants-to-tax-us-too-n1468979/page/full/


  87. unclassifiable
    87 | December 18, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Do you feel like you took the red pill?


  88. eaglesoars
    88 | December 18, 2012 3:54 pm

    Can someone explain to me why the Dow was up by 100 pts? I’m missing something here (no jokes please)


  89. 89 | December 18, 2012 3:55 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    i clearly stated they should have got him help when he was underage. they had the right then, not him. if the state prevented them, then they should have relinquinshed ALL parental rights up to the state and said, fine, you deal with the problems. not kidding.


  90. coldwarrior
    90 | December 18, 2012 3:55 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Can someone explain to me why the Dow was up by 100 pts? I’m missing something here (no jokes please)

    optimism on the budget negotiations.


  91. eaglesoars
    91 | December 18, 2012 3:57 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    speaking about Agenda 21, this just popped up
    http://townhall.com/columnists/phyllisschlafly/2012/12/18/the-un-wants-to-tax-us-too-n1468979/page/full/

    I do believe Agenda 21 was around before global warming/climate change. Could be wrong….


  92. coldwarrior
    92 | December 18, 2012 3:58 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    speaking about Agenda 21, this just popped up
    http://townhall.com/columnists/phyllisschlafly/2012/12/18/the-un-wants-to-tax-us-too-n1468979/page/full/

    I do believe Agenda 21 was around before global warming/climate change. Could be wrong….

    started in the early 90′s


  93. eaglesoars
    93 | December 18, 2012 3:59 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    optimism on the budget negotiations

    Crimeny. Define STUPID.


  94. coldwarrior
    94 | December 18, 2012 4:00 pm

    The United States is a signatory country to Agenda 21, but because Agenda 21 is not a treaty, the Senate was unable to hold a formal debate or vote on it, nor was it ratified in any way by the executive branch. Several congressmen and senators, however, have spoken in Congress in support of Agenda 21; these include Representative Nancy Pelosi, Senator John Kerry, and Senator Harry Reid.[11]

    isnt that convenient


  95. coldwarrior
    95 | December 18, 2012 4:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    optimism on the budget negotiations
    Crimeny. Define STUPID.

    wall street loves free money thrown at them. they would crap their pants if they had to actually work at making the bonuses like in the 80′s.

    as long as the fed prints money the market goes up.


  96. eaglesoars
    96 | December 18, 2012 4:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    as long as the fed prints money the market goes up

    Bernanke’s sole purpose in life is to prop up Wall Street.

    Gotta go. Beagle needs me.


  97. coldwarrior
    97 | December 18, 2012 4:05 pm

    “Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level.”


  98. heysoos
    98 | December 18, 2012 4:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I’m sure Islam will jump right on board


  99. unclassifiable
    99 | December 18, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Freedom from choice.


  100. coldwarrior
    100 | December 18, 2012 4:23 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ unclassifiable:

    it is rather vile reading. they were smart not to make it a treaty or there would have been public discussion.

    agenda 21 is implemented through the back door, a little at a time


  101. Lily
    101 | December 18, 2012 4:44 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    If Adam and Eve were the first humans and had Cain and Abel, how did the female specious develop?

    Cain and Abel were not the only children.


  102. coldwarrior
    102 | December 18, 2012 4:47 pm

    @ Lily:

    HIYA LILLY!

    how ya feeling?


  103. unclassifiable
    103 | December 18, 2012 4:47 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Look at the RCP county by county maps. Look at how a lot of the blue is concentrated in the urban counties.

    What I am about t say is harsh but…

    I have contemplated a movement to have ALL of the conservatives move out of those blue counties.

    “A thousand Detroits”


  104. unclassifiable
    104 | December 18, 2012 4:49 pm

    @ Lily:

    {{{{{Lily}}}}

    Welcome back to the show.

    How’s the ticker?


  105. coldwarrior
    105 | December 18, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    keep an eye out for taxes to be introduced in the surrounding areas/counties to be paid directly to the cities.


  106. RIX
    106 | December 18, 2012 4:51 pm

    @ Lily:
    Hi Lilly. Doesn’t the Bible mention another son, Seth?


  107. RIX
    107 | December 18, 2012 4:53 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:

    keep an eye out for taxes to be introduced in the surrounding areas/counties to be paid directly to the cities.

    That will happen, “Regionalism”


  108. Lily
    108 | December 18, 2012 4:53 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry:
    It is I who thank you for stating an obvious and painful truth that most don’t want to see. If we ban the gun, ban the knife, ban “racism” and make up “hate” crimes, then it will stop. It does not due to man being a fallen creature.
    Many will ask — “Where was God?” but God was there the whole time. It is us who do not want him. We don’t him to interfere when we lie or cheat or steal or do any number of other things that violate his law but when something like this happens, we want him to stop it. Free will cuts in many ways.

    My goodness very well said. Too many people ask “Where is God when something bad happens.” The answer is in the fact that He has been rejected.


  109. unclassifiable
    109 | December 18, 2012 4:53 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:

    keep an eye out for taxes to be introduced in the surrounding areas/counties to be paid directly to the cities.

    Yes,yes, I seem to remember Pittsburgh had a commuter payroll tax at one time.

    The only thing I can say is that for now it keeps the fight at the local/state level where the conservative viewpoint may fair better.


  110. Bumr50
    110 | December 18, 2012 4:54 pm

    Hey all testing out my new smartphone


  111. coldwarrior
    111 | December 18, 2012 4:54 pm

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ unclassifiable:
    keep an eye out for taxes to be introduced in the surrounding areas/counties to be paid directly to the cities.

    That will happen, “Regionalism”

    ‘metropolitan tax sharing’


  112. coldwarrior
    112 | December 18, 2012 4:55 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    Yes,yes, I seem to remember Pittsburgh had a commuter payroll tax at one time.

    someone made the taxation without representation argument and it went away.

    i’ll pay taxes, let me vote.


  113. coldwarrior
    113 | December 18, 2012 4:56 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Hey all testing out my new smartphone

    its smart.

    wattdya get


  114. citizen_q
    114 | December 18, 2012 4:57 pm

    @ Lily:
    Howdy!

    Nice to see you back. I hope that you are doing well.


  115. Bumr50
    115 | December 18, 2012 5:04 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Samsung Galaxy S 3.

    I like it.
    Anyway, the local cops in Etna sure do like to pull over ANYONE without an emission sticker.

    I just bought my car in Butler and explained the law to Barney Feif.

    Localized laws like that make it much easier to detain people.

    I guarantee there are people that paid that fine but were completely innocent.


  116. Lily
    116 | December 18, 2012 5:07 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Does a secular person even understand what evil is? I define it as the absences of God in a person’s malicious thinking. Or in spite of.
    God as in a collective intelligently designed consciousness.
    Evil is the absence of God.

    Evil is even more than that..but not near as powerful as God.


  117. coldwarrior
    117 | December 18, 2012 5:10 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    he was also fishing for a dui


  118. Lily
    118 | December 18, 2012 5:10 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    And there is the key to this whole thing. The parents knew this kid was a problem. Knew he had issues but did NOT want to face it. Could have gotten him help but the mom did nothing to stop it. This will not be looked at. They will blame it on guns, not on parents that didn’t want to think that little Johnny or in this case, little Adam, was a sicko. IIRC, the Columbine killers had the same problem.

    The Columbine killers were of a different breed. As far as knowing your kid has problems of course they did but was anyone listening?


  119. coldwarrior
    119 | December 18, 2012 5:11 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    my miata is exempt but i still make my mechanic put an ‘exempt’ emissions sticker on it so barney fife the ubercop doesnt pull me over.


  120. 120 | December 18, 2012 5:16 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Bumr50:

    my miata is exempt but i still make my mechanic put an emissions sticker on it so barney fife the ubercop doesnt pull me over.

    You guys still have those? We had them for years, had to have the car “tested” annually (for a fee, of course). What a scam. They eventually did away with it, nearly ten years ago now.


  121. 121 | December 18, 2012 5:17 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Here’s the thing. Mental illnesses for the most part can not be cured, being not acute in nature, but chronic. I do not know that they didn’t get him or try to help him earlier in life. That would do nothing for him once he turned 18 and began refusing to take his meds, if that were the case. Honestly, I do not know what the situation was. What I do know is that I had an Aunt with mental health issues who we would take to the Hospital and attempt to commit because she was bat shit crazy, and exhibiting such in an obvious and dangerous manner. After 3 days involuntary stay, she was out on the streets thanks to the laws and a lawyer. We beat our heads against the wall fighting against the legal system that said, “crazy people have the right to be crazy, and opt out of the treatment.”

    The danger to themselves or others standard is a piece of history now, and the new standard is can you prove that they are incapable of deciding for themselves whether they are able to convey their own wishes, or something else foolish. Long story short, it’s all about waiting until they do something and treating them after the fact now.

    Once again, I don’t know if the family tried or not, I wasn’t there. I just know that with the current laws on the books in most states, them trying might not have mattered anyhow. Mentally ill patients being under the custodial care of their parents only helps until they turn 18, at which point, the game changes considerably.


  122. coldwarrior
    122 | December 18, 2012 5:18 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    You guys still have those?

    depends on what county ya live in


  123. heysoos
    123 | December 18, 2012 5:18 pm

    taxes to go up, spending on back burner…
    a couple of people here called that one weeks ago


  124. Guggi
    124 | December 18, 2012 5:18 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    We had them for years, had to have the car “tested” annually (for a fee, of course). What a scam. They eventually did away with it, nearly ten years ago now.

    We still have it :-(


  125. coldwarrior
    125 | December 18, 2012 5:18 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    taxes to go up, spending on back burner…
    a couple of people here called that one weeks ago

    that was a gimme prediction


  126. Bumr50
    126 | December 18, 2012 5:19 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    My mechanic has a personal pet peeve about it, and issues copies of the statute with a business card stapled to them.


  127. heysoos
    127 | December 18, 2012 5:21 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    yeah, I know…but I thought it might be different this time with the cliff


  128. Da_Beerfreak
    128 | December 18, 2012 5:24 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    taxes to go up, spending on back burner…
    a couple of people here called that one weeks ago

    SSDD :evil:


  129. coldwarrior
    129 | December 18, 2012 5:24 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    yeah, I know…but I thought it might be different this time with the cliff

    push the crash farther down the road.

    they are truly spineless in dc.


  130. Lily
    130 | December 18, 2012 5:25 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Lily:
    HIYA LILLY!
    how ya feeling?

    Hey CW feeling like I got run over by a truck!! ;)


  131. coldwarrior
    131 | December 18, 2012 5:25 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    i like it.


  132. Lily
    132 | December 18, 2012 5:27 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Lily:
    {{{{{Lily}}}}
    Welcome back to the show.
    How’s the ticker?

    Working! Just need to recover now…and WOW very, very sore! ;)
    /thanks for asking.


  133. heysoos
    133 | December 18, 2012 5:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Lily:
    HIYA LILLY!
    how ya feeling?
    Hey CW feeling like I got run over by a truck!!

    no pain, no gain…you’ll be much better in a short time I’d bet….think of all the new mileage!


  134. coldwarrior
    134 | December 18, 2012 5:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Lily:
    HIYA LILLY!
    how ya feeling?
    Hey CW feeling like I got run over by a truck!!

    well gee, lets see, they used carpentry to crack open your chest then they insulted a bunch of tissue, then stitched ya back up.

    :lol:


  135. Da_Beerfreak
    135 | December 18, 2012 5:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I got run over by a truck!! :mrgreen:

    Did ya get the licence plate?? :cool:

    Good to see ya.


  136. Lily
    136 | December 18, 2012 5:29 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Hi Lilly. Doesn’t the Bible mention another son, Seth?

    Seems if I remember correctly Adam and Eve had several children ..they just weren’t named..and you could be right about Seth too here…I’d have to drag out my bible…and for now that is too heavy for me.


  137. Bumr50
    137 | December 18, 2012 5:29 pm

    @ Lily:

    Drugs.


  138. Lily
    138 | December 18, 2012 5:31 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Howdy!
    Nice to see you back. I hope that you are doing well.

    Hey citizen_q..doing okay …sore and painful as all get out though.
    ;)


  139. 139 | December 18, 2012 5:34 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    Here’s the thing. Mental illnesses for the most part can not be cured, being not acute in nature, but chronic. I do not know that they didn’t get him or try to help him earlier in life. That would do nothing for him once he turned 18 and began refusing to take his meds, if that were the case. Honestly, I do not know what the situation was. What I do know is that I had an Aunt with mental health issues who we would take to the Hospital and attempt to commit because she was bat shit crazy, and exhibiting such in an obvious and dangerous manner. After 3 days involuntary stay, she was out on the streets thanks to the laws and a lawyer. We beat our heads against the wall fighting against the legal system that said, “crazy people have the right to be crazy, and opt out of the treatment.”

    The danger to themselves or others standard is a piece of history now, and the new standard is can you prove that they are incapable of deciding for themselves whether they are able to convey their own wishes, or something else foolish. Long story short, it’s all about waiting until they do something and treating them after the fact now.

    Once again, I don’t know if the family tried or not, I wasn’t there. I just know that with the current laws on the books in most states, them trying might not have mattered anyhow. Mentally ill patients being under the custodial care of their parents only helps until they turn 18, at which point, the game changes considerably.

    In spite of the predictable “we must ensure this never happens again!” BS, we can’t and it will. You posted eloquently on this matter quite recently, as I recall.


  140. unclassifiable
    140 | December 18, 2012 5:34 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Lily:
    HIYA LILLY!
    how ya feeling?
    Hey CW feeling like I got run over by a truck!!

    well gee, lets see they used carpentry to crack open your chest then they insulted a bunch of tissue, then stitched ya back up.

    Don Rickles does cardio surgery? Wow, who knew?


  141. 141 | December 18, 2012 5:35 pm

    @ Lily :o u

    Good to see you, Lily!


  142. RIX
    142 | December 18, 2012 5:36 pm

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Hi Lilly. Doesn’t the Bible mention another son, Seth?

    Seems if I remember correctly Adam and Eve had several children ..they just weren’t named..and you could be right about Seth too here…I’d have to drag out my bible…and for now that is too heavy for me.

    I googled it & according to the source the Bible mentions Cain.
    Abel & Seth.


  143. Lily
    143 | December 18, 2012 5:37 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    LOL! Yeah they did a number on me and I’m feeling every bit of it. ;)
    /almost nappy time too. ;)


  144. unclassifiable
    144 | December 18, 2012 5:39 pm

    @ Lily:

    Well rest up and if anyone needs an ass chewing just remain calm and ask us to do it for you.

    You need to get your strength back before you resume full activities.


  145. Lily
    145 | December 18, 2012 5:39 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I got run over by a truck!!
    Did ya get the licence plate??
    Good to see ya.

    Yeah I did…something along the lines…DR. It’s Only Going to Hurt a little bit.

    /wrong. ;)


  146. Lily
    146 | December 18, 2012 5:42 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Drugs.

    Oh I have plenty…Not.Worth.It.One.Bit. ;)


  147. coldwarrior
    147 | December 18, 2012 5:42 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    Don Rickles does cardio surgery? Wow, who knew?

    rickles and dangerfield, general surgeons.


  148. Lily
    148 | December 18, 2012 5:43 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Hey MacDuff! :)


  149. Lily
    149 | December 18, 2012 5:44 pm

    @ RIX:

    Sounded about right concerning Seth.


  150. Da_Beerfreak
    150 | December 18, 2012 5:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I got run over by a truck!!
    Did ya get the licence plate??
    Good to see ya.

    Yeah I did…something along the lines…DR. It’s Only Going to Hurt a little bit.

    /wrong.

    Anytime a Dr. says “This is going to hurt a little” you know you’re in trouble… :shock:


  151. Lily
    151 | December 18, 2012 5:45 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Well rest up and if anyone needs an ass chewing just remain calm and ask us to do it for you.
    You need to get your strength back before you resume full activities.

    I’ll hold you at your word there! LOL! ;)


  152. Lily
    152 | December 18, 2012 5:46 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Don’t you know it!!!


  153. 153 | December 18, 2012 5:48 pm

    I need to get this out:
    Cain and Abel were certainly not the only children of Adam and Eve. Our first parents had many, many children. God was in charge and he knew what he was doing when he told them to go forth and multiply and fill the earth. Adam and Eve were perfect physical specimens of humans and there were problems with genetics when their children married each other. According to the bible, Adam lived about 900 years. That gave him plenty of time to have A LOT of children and since Eve was perfect, she was capable of giving birth to more than a few kids. Remeber: God was actively in charge at that time.

    But then if you don’t believe in God or the bible, then make up your own scenario.


  154. 154 | December 18, 2012 5:48 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I need to get this out:
    Cain and Abel were certainly not the only children of Adam and Eve. Our first parents had many, many children. God was in charge and he knew what he was doing when he told them to go forth and multiply and fill the earth. Adam and Eve were perfect physical specimens of humans and there were NO problems with genetics when their children married each other. According to the bible, Adam lived about 900 years. That gave him plenty of time to have A LOT of children and since Eve was perfect, she was capable of giving birth to more than a few kids. Remeber: God was actively in charge at that time.
    But then if you don’t believe in God or the bible, then make up your own scenario.


  155. RIX
    155 | December 18, 2012 5:50 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    S

    ounded about right concerning Seth.

    Yeah, but it was news to me when I googled it.


  156. 156 | December 18, 2012 5:52 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    Which of course is not even remotely related to the point for which it was included, that senseless violence was as much a problem for mankind 5000 years ago, roughly 4500 years before the first fire arms were used. The genealogy of Adam’s off spring doesn’t really enter into it, except that it’s fun to watch the arguing to some extent.


  157. RIX
    157 | December 18, 2012 5:52 pm

    Later Gators.


  158. 158 | December 18, 2012 5:56 pm

    Look at the killings in schools on wikipedia and you will see that America pales in comparison to the rest of the world. Muslims are especially good at killing masses of students, especially when they are Jewish kids.


  159. heysoos
    159 | December 18, 2012 5:59 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Look at the killings in schools on wikipedia and you will see that America pales in comparison to the rest of the world. Muslims are especially good at killing masses of students, especially when they are Jewish kids.

    or little girls trying to learn how to read…but they don’t waste any ammo on them, they burn them to death


  160. heysoos
    160 | December 18, 2012 6:01 pm

    Hillary Clinton claims to have fallen with the resulting concussion…
    Xrays of her head showed nothing…
    (stolen)


  161. Guggi
    161 | December 18, 2012 6:01 pm

    @ Lily:

    Hi {{{Lily}}}


  162. 162 | December 18, 2012 6:03 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I need to get this out:
    Cain and Abel were certainly not the only children of Adam and Eve. Our first parents had many, many children. God was in charge and he knew what he was doing when he told them to go forth and multiply and fill the earth. Adam and Eve were perfect physical specimens of humans and there were problems with genetics when their children married each other. According to the bible, Adam lived about 900 years. That gave him plenty of time to have A LOT of children and since Eve was perfect, she was capable of giving birth to more than a few kids. Remeber: God was actively in charge at that time.

    But then if you don’t believe in God or the bible, then make up your own scenario.

    exactly! on both.


  163. 163 | December 18, 2012 6:09 pm

    @ Kirly:
    in fact, i didn’t answer earlier because i’m a bit sick of the jokes and mocking of God. God is beyond anyone’s imagination so mocking Him as if He couldn’t create a perfect Human pair who could live for 900 years and make 800 babies (i made up the number) with no genetic defects, is just insulting and probably not very wise. what happens to the mockers if they’re wrong? they’ll join f*ckface johnson, that’s what.
    One other thing… do people think that every second of every day of every year of the life of every person should have been included in the Bible? really? the text would have engulfed the earth thousands of years ago!


  164. 164 | December 18, 2012 6:10 pm

    great. i’m talking to myself. virtual life is just like real life.


  165. heysoos
    165 | December 18, 2012 6:11 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    great. i’m talking to myself. virtual life is just like real life.

    whatever you post is fine with me


  166. citizen_q
    166 | December 18, 2012 6:18 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:
    Don Rickles does cardio surgery? Wow, who knew?
    rickles and dangerfield, general surgeons.

    Represented by the Law Firm Dewy, Cheatham and Howe?

    /


  167. Bumr50
    167 | December 18, 2012 6:25 pm

    ‘Study’ Claims Fox News Viewers Have Average IQ of 80

    …The caller identified himself as P. Nichols but didn’t give a full first name. He was happy to be interviewed about the study, however. I’d identified myself as the Science Editor at PJ Media; my first question was where I could find a copy of the study.

    He laughed a little and said “it’s a real study, done with standard polling techniques, but the study was funded by a Republican PAC, and I’m tied up in so many contracts and things that I can’t possibly show you the actual study.”

    He went on to describe the methodology. “This Republican group had a particular result in mind, and we helped them find it. The way they put it was that they needed to separate the ‘TEA Party’ types from the Republican Party. ‘If your hand has cancer, you want to cut off the hand before it kills you,’ was their explanation of the motivation.”

    The study, he said, was a four-year study with more than 5000 subjects. “We didn’t look at areas with educated populations, or in cities. In fact, we had trouble finding people in those categories who watched Fox News. Instead, we looked for uneducated, rural people — the people who actually believe that women’s bodies will prevent conception by rape. Those sorts of people.”

    Interestingly, he also said the motivation for the study was the election results this year. Hmm.


  168. 168 | December 18, 2012 6:29 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Kirly wrote:

    great. i’m talking to myself. virtual life is just like real life.

    whatever you post is fine with me

    that’s really quite nice.


  169. heysoos
    169 | December 18, 2012 6:31 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    odd…it took a four hour battery of tests to determine my son’s IQ…
    maybe I was duped


  170. yenta-fada
    170 | December 18, 2012 6:31 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    great. i’m talking to myself. virtual life is just like real life.
    whatever you post is fine with me

    I second that emotion. :-)


  171. yenta-fada
  172. heysoos
    172 | December 18, 2012 6:42 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    another Muslim kill fest…they’re happy as long as they are slaughtering each other…any grumbling about guts and rubble is just a ploy to gain sympathy from influential outsiders


  173. darkwords
    173 | December 18, 2012 6:46 pm

    @ 167 Bumr50: that’s a pathological liar there who gets his jollies off fabricating stories.


  174. 174 | December 18, 2012 6:50 pm

    shoot. someone just linked this and i can’t find who it was
    http://twitchy.com/2012/12/18/unverified-claim-erik-loomis-removed-professor-from-his-twitter-bio/

    anyway, loon college professor tweeted out such vile hatred that he ultimately took down his twitter account. too bad the professor isn’t smart enough to realize that the internet is forever. i do hope the dumbass gets fired for this. i really do. it’s incitement to violence -- which makes it criminal.


  175. Bumr50
    175 | December 18, 2012 6:52 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I hope you’re right.


  176. heysoos
    176 | December 18, 2012 6:52 pm

    @ Kirly:
    too bad people can’t be deleted, or whole groups of them….think of the possibilities


  177. darkwords
    177 | December 18, 2012 6:53 pm

    @ 110 Bumr50: You seem to have gained 30 IQ points just from that phone. I need to get one and dump this iphone.


  178. darkwords
    178 | December 18, 2012 6:54 pm

    @ 105 coldwarrior: Here they want to dump the gas tax and install a miles driven tax.


  179. 179 | December 18, 2012 6:54 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    too bad people can’t be deleted, or whole groups of them….think of the possibilities

    ah, to be the kid from the twilight zone…. “to the cornfield!” with all the bad guys. yes, i know the kid was bad. but *I* would be good. mwuahahahahaha!


  180. Bumr50
    180 | December 18, 2012 6:55 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Yeah, that guy’s effing nuts.

    First f****r to say the solution is for elementary school teachers to carry guns needs to get beaten to death.

    ht -Twitchy

    Edited for content by yours truly.


  181. 181 | December 18, 2012 6:55 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 105 coldwarrior: Here they want to dump the gas tax and install a miles driven tax.

    here where? the leftists bring that turd of an idea up every year or two here (usa)


  182. Bumr50
    182 | December 18, 2012 6:56 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I like it.

    Never got into iPhones or iPods because I loathe iTunes.


  183. darkwords
    183 | December 18, 2012 6:57 pm

    @ 85 Kirly: Love conquers all. Hardcore to me. You know the joke about Baptists right?

    I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing
    on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said “Stop!
    don’t do it!”
    “Why shouldn’t I?” he said.
    I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!”
    He said, “Like what?”
    I said, “Well…are you religious or atheist?”
    He said, “Religious.”
    I said, “Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?”
    He said,”Christian.”
    I said, “Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?”
    He said, “Protestant.”
    I said, “Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?”
    He said, “Baptist!”
    I said,”Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or
    baptist church of the lord?”
    He said, “Baptist church of god!”
    I said, “Me too! Are you original baptist church of god,
    or are you reformed baptist church of god?”
    He said,”Reformed Baptist church of god!”
    I said, “Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god,
    reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god,
    reformation of 1915?”
    He said, “Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!”
    I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off.


  184. 184 | December 18, 2012 6:58 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Yeah, that guy’s effing nuts.

    First f****r to say the solution is for elementary school teachers to carry guns needs to get beaten to death.

    ht -Twitchy

    i’ll say! that Twitchy does a pretty good job of documenting the insane who tweet idiocy out.
    look what fat freak loon Michael Moore tweeted out
    http://twitchy.com/2012/12/17/michael-moore-people-should-pass-a-mental-health-exam-to-own-a-gun/


  185. darkwords
    185 | December 18, 2012 6:58 pm

    @ Kirly: Seattle, Statue of Lenin oversees the city.


  186. darkwords
    186 | December 18, 2012 7:00 pm

    @ 184 Kirly:
    Of all the ideas so far that I have I like the idea of arming 2 or 3 adults in a school and giving them First Responder training. I read where Israel has done it successfully.


  187. darkwords
    187 | December 18, 2012 7:02 pm

    @ 73 Carolina Girl: You’re talking 49′ers there right? I thought I recognized the play style.


  188. 188 | December 18, 2012 7:03 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 85 Kirly: Love conquers all. Hardcore to me. You know the joke about Baptists right?
    I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing
    on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said “Stop!
    don’t do it!”
    “Why shouldn’t I?” he said.
    I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!”
    He said, “Like what?”
    I said, “Well…are you religious or atheist?”
    He said, “Religious.”
    I said, “Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?”
    He said,”Christian.”
    I said, “Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?”
    He said, “Protestant.”
    I said, “Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?”
    He said, “Baptist!”
    I said,”Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or
    baptist church of the lord?”
    He said, “Baptist church of god!”
    I said, “Me too! Are you original baptist church of god,
    or are you reformed baptist church of god?”
    He said,”Reformed Baptist church of god!”
    I said, “Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god,
    reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god,
    reformation of 1915?”
    He said, “Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!”
    I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off.

    Double-heh.


  189. Bumr50
    189 | December 18, 2012 7:06 pm

    @ Kirly:

    I bookmark Twitchy and visit often.

    I never have to use my Twitter account, although I probably should.


  190. darkwords
    190 | December 18, 2012 7:09 pm

    I don’t see how Agenda 21 can be a good idea. The UN has no substance.

    Agenda 21 in their outcome document called “The Future We Want”.

    Alabama is the only state that has banned Agenda 21. 1200 US cities have accepted it. Only 9 percent of the population supports it.


  191. 192 | December 18, 2012 7:10 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 184 Kirly:
    Of all the ideas so far that I have I like the idea of arming 2 or 3 adults in a school and giving them First Responder training. I read where Israel has done it successfully.

    There should be something like the FFDO program (armed pilots) that was instituted for the airlines after 9/11. I don’t think you’d have any problem finding teachers/administrators to volunteer.


  192. Bumr50
    193 | December 18, 2012 7:11 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I live in one.

    A List of Cities Participating in Agenda 21


  193. darkwords
    194 | December 18, 2012 7:13 pm

    @ 192 MacDuff: It’s important to protect all kids. We are doing a crappy job of it as a country. Gun Control IMO will miss the point completely.


  194. yenta-fada
    195 | December 18, 2012 7:14 pm

    Political Correctness:

    An old man, a boy & a donkey
    were going to town. The boy rode on the donkey & the old man walked.
    As they went along they passed some people who remarked “What a shame the old man is walking and the boy is riding.”

    The man and boy thought maybe the critics were right, so they changed positions. Later they passed some people who remarked “What a shame…. he makes that little boy walk.” So they then decided they’d both walk! Soon they passed some more people
    who remarked “They’re really stupid to walk when they have a decent donkey to ride.” So, they both rode the donkey.

    Now they passed some people who shamed them by saying “How awful to
    put such a load on a poor donkey.” The boy and man figured they were probably right, so they decide to carry the donkey.

    As they crossed the bridge, they lost their grip on the animal
    and he fell into the river and drowned.

    The moral of the story? If you try to please everyone, you might as well…Kiss your ass goodbye!


  195. 196 | December 18, 2012 7:15 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 192 MacDuff: It’s important to protect all kids. We are doing a crappy job of it as a country. Gun Control IMO will miss the point completely.

    It not only misses the point, it actually obscures it.


  196. yenta-fada
    197 | December 18, 2012 7:16 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    I live in one.
    A List of Cities Participating in Agenda 21

    I do too. Canada has plenty of them. Same for Europe.


  197. darkwords
    198 | December 18, 2012 7:16 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    ME too. All the cities around here are.

    OT: Game of Thrones christmas card.


  198. Bumr50
    199 | December 18, 2012 7:17 pm

    Newtown Residents Head to DC to Push Gun Control

    ht- Breitbart

    It’s very telling that these people aren’t heading to HARTFORD.


  199. darkwords
    201 | December 18, 2012 7:18 pm

    @ 195 yenta-fada: lol hadn’t heard that one. Trying to think which GoPer it reminds me of.


  200. 202 | December 18, 2012 7:19 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 184 Kirly:
    Of all the ideas so far that I have I like the idea of arming 2 or 3 adults in a school and giving them First Responder training. I read where Israel has done it successfully.

    There should be something like the FFDO program (armed pilots) that was instituted for the airlines after 9/11. I don’t think you’d have any problem finding teachers/administrators to volunteer.

    puhlease. the loons won’t even let Eddie Eagle into schools and his message is “Stop! Don’t Touch! Tell an Adult!” or the equivalent. best children’s education on gun safety that exists. up until they learn how to use them. they are mechanical tools, after all.


  201. Da_Beerfreak
    203 | December 18, 2012 7:20 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    too bad people can’t be deleted, or whole groups of them….think of the possibilities

    It happens all the time, it’s called ethnic cleansing:evil:


  202. 204 | December 18, 2012 7:23 pm

    @ Kirly:

    I guess I was making the mistake of thinking there’s a modicum of rational thought left in the educational system.

    My bad.


  203. 205 | December 18, 2012 7:23 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    too bad people can’t be deleted, or whole groups of them….think of the possibilities

    It happens all the time, it’s called ethnic cleansing…

    i don’t want to kill them. i just want to send them to the cornfield. and certainly not based on their ethnicity. and i find the suggestion down right offensive since ethnicity wasn’t part of the topic. rather, it was stupidity. ahem.


  204. 206 | December 18, 2012 7:25 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    I guess I was making the mistake of thinking there’s a modicum of rational thought left in the educational system.

    My bad.

    there isn’t. hell, it seems like there’s very little remaining anyplace.


  205. darkwords
    207 | December 18, 2012 7:26 pm

    @ 202 Kirly: Yes I’v mentioned something like this to a few lefties. Just that gun safety should be taught in schools. One would think I was advocating nuclear warfare on Gaza by their responses.


  206. darkwords
    208 | December 18, 2012 7:29 pm

    Laura Ingraham interviewed gun rights advocate John Lott. He recounted a conversation with then-Senator Obama who told Lott: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”


  207. darkwords
    209 | December 18, 2012 7:34 pm

    Rob Cesternino ‏@robcesternino
    Mercifully, I will not have to watch a 17th #Jets game this year.


  208. 210 | December 18, 2012 7:36 pm

    @ Kirly:

    There is an increasing number of desensitized young people roaming the land and there are those who believe that relieving me of my right to defend myself, perhaps from these very young people, is the proper response.

    You’re right. There really isn’t much rational thought to be had anymore.


  209. Da_Beerfreak
    211 | December 18, 2012 7:37 pm

    @ Kirly:
    The left doesn’t want anyone to learn how to use guns. They want everyone to fear guns and gun owners. :evil:


  210. 212 | December 18, 2012 7:39 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    too late


  211. yenta-fada
    213 | December 18, 2012 7:40 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    @ Kirly:
    I guess I was making the mistake of thinking there’s a modicum of rational thought left in the educational system.
    My bad.
    there isn’t. hell, it seems like there’s very little remaining anyplace.

    My best friend/sister called me a wingnut. They depend on ‘making kool-aid’ for a living although they would never see that side of things. Honest, compassionate people who just don’t get how evil people are. They ignore the jihad thing too.


  212. 214 | December 18, 2012 7:40 pm

    i’m probably gonna be on a list or something now. i tweeted the idiot michael moore.
    https://twitter.com/Kirlz/status/281196578658738176


  213. 215 | December 18, 2012 7:41 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    They ignore the jihad thing too.

    that’s one they might regret


  214. Da_Beerfreak
    216 | December 18, 2012 7:41 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    too bad people can’t be deleted, or whole groups of them….think of the possibilities

    It happens all the time, it’s called ethnic cleansing…

    i don’t want to kill them. i just want to send them to the cornfield. and certainly not based on their ethnicity. and i find the suggestion down right offensive since ethnicity wasn’t part of the topic. rather, it was stupidity. ahem.

    Deportation is also considered to be a method of ethnic cleansing.


  215. yenta-fada
    217 | December 18, 2012 7:44 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    If by ‘desensitized’ you mean ‘completely self-absorbed and entitled’
    I hear you. I suppose you also refer to the lack of a moral compass in the age of moral relativism.


  216. 218 | December 18, 2012 7:45 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Kirly wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    too bad people can’t be deleted, or whole groups of them….think of the possibilities

    It happens all the time, it’s called ethnic cleansing…

    i don’t want to kill them. i just want to send them to the cornfield. and certainly not based on their ethnicity. and i find the suggestion down right offensive since ethnicity wasn’t part of the topic. rather, it was stupidity. ahem.

    Deportation is also considered to be a method of ethnic cleansing.

    i guess you missed the part about the cornfield… a joke from the twilight zone. ok, fine. you’re calling me a nazi without coming right out and saying it. fine. i’m done here.


  217. yenta-fada
    219 | December 18, 2012 7:47 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    The Deportation orders aren’t necessarily carried out:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/18/audit-feds-immigration-check-system-fails-12-perce/


  218. yenta-fada
    220 | December 18, 2012 7:49 pm

    @ Kirly:

    I didn’t read da Beerfreak’s statement as criticism. Maybe I’m not paying attention…I dunno.


  219. Da_Beerfreak
    221 | December 18, 2012 7:53 pm

    @ Kirly:
    You have totally missed my point.
    My first reply was for Heysoos and was meant to caution against “deleting” groups of people and nothing more.


  220. 222 | December 18, 2012 7:53 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    If by ‘desensitized’ you mean ‘completely self-absorbed and entitled’
    I hear you. I suppose you also refer to the lack of a moral compass in the age of moral relativism.

    All that and desensitized as well. The course, violent culture combined with very realistic and gruesome video games is not a good medium for growing young men, even in the best of circumstances.


  221. heysoos
    223 | December 18, 2012 7:54 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    my post was completely in the abstract


  222. Da_Beerfreak
    224 | December 18, 2012 7:58 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    my post was completely in the abstract

    I know you weren’t serious. Heck, if I could, I’d get rid of all the libturds… :wink:


  223. darkwords
    225 | December 18, 2012 8:01 pm

    @ 224 Da_Beerfreak:
    All liberals should be required to wear Mickey Mouse hats.


  224. heysoos
    226 | December 18, 2012 8:02 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    point, click, done….
    Miller time


  225. Da_Beerfreak
    227 | December 18, 2012 8:04 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    point, click, done….
    Miller time

    Sounds good to me.


  226. 228 | December 18, 2012 8:16 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    my post was completely in the abstract

    I know you weren’t serious. Heck, if I could, I’d get rid of all the libturds…

    and THAT was the incredibly blunt point that YOU missed. repeatedly. you still implied i’m a nazi. so eff off.


  227. Bumr50
    229 | December 18, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Goofy.

    With the floppy ears and felt fangs.


  228. Da_Beerfreak
    230 | December 18, 2012 8:30 pm

    @ Kirly:
    Nothing like being too thin skinned.


  229. brookly red
    231 | December 18, 2012 8:41 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    You have totally missed my point.
    My first reply was for Heysoos and was meant to caution against “deleting” groups of people and nothing more.

    /get off of my planet!


  230. lobo91
    232 | December 18, 2012 8:45 pm

    Wow…I’m watching the dumbest gun rights discussion ever on Fox News.

    They should probably have someone on who actually understands the topic.


  231. lobo91
    233 | December 18, 2012 8:48 pm

    Next up: “Do violent movies and video games encourage psycopaths to commit murder?” using a clip from the first Dirty Harry movie to promote it.

    I don’t really think Harry Callahan could be seen as encouraging anyone to commit murder. He pretty much killed all the bad guys in his movies.


  232. unclassifiable
    234 | December 18, 2012 8:59 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I seem to recall Son of Sam getting orders to kill from his dog.

    So I guess the answer is “not exclusively” unless Berkowitz’s dog watch violent movies and played violent video games.

    Geez red herring is going to be on the menu every day for a year.


  233. lobo91
    235 | December 18, 2012 9:02 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    I don’t really think psycopaths need much encouragement.

    Did anyone blame Jodie Foster for the Reagan assassination attempt?


  234. brookly red
    236 | December 18, 2012 9:04 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I seem to recall Son of Sam getting orders to kill from his dog.

    So I guess the answer is “not exclusively” unless Berkowitz’s dog watch violent movies and played violent video games.

    Geez red herring is going to be on the menu every day for a year.

    actually it was his neighbors dog…

    I am very familiar with that case, I know (used to work with) the woman he was obsessed with, and whom he modeled his victims after.


  235. unclassifiable
    237 | December 18, 2012 9:08 pm

    @ brookly red:

    So his neighbor’s dog played violent video games.

    Bad dog.


  236. brookly red
    238 | December 18, 2012 9:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:

    I don’t really think psycopaths need much encouragement.

    Did anyone blame Jodie Foster for the Reagan assassination attempt?

    here is sticky wicket, it is now politically incorrect to discriminate against someone who has mental “issues” so do we discriminate against those likely to exhibit “anti-social behavior” or do we treat the mentally ill with innocent until proven guilty? I don’t have an answer just asking the question.


  237. brookly red
    239 | December 18, 2012 9:13 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    So his neighbor’s dog played violent video games.

    Bad dog.

    /considering he had no thumbs it should have been a warning sign.


  238. unclassifiable
    240 | December 18, 2012 9:16 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I don’t really think psycopaths need much encouragement.

    Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

    And let me say this is not to denigrate the memory of the innocent people lost to these type of horrendous acts of violence. We the living are still having a very hard time dealing with it.


  239. lobo91
    241 | December 18, 2012 9:16 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    So his neighbor’s dog played violent video games.
    Bad dog.

    I think the only video games around at that time were Pong and Asteroids.


  240. brookly red
    242 | December 18, 2012 9:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    So his neighbor’s dog played violent video games.
    Bad dog.

    I think the only video games around at that time were Pong and Asteroids.

    pac man


  241. unclassifiable
    243 | December 18, 2012 9:19 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    So his neighbor’s dog played violent video games.
    Bad dog.

    I think the only video games around at that time were Pong and Asteroids.

    pac man

    Incitement to cannibalism.


  242. brookly red
    244 | December 18, 2012 9:23 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    So his neighbor’s dog played violent video games.
    Bad dog.

    I think the only video games around at that time were Pong and Asteroids.

    pac man

    Incitement to cannibalism.

    don’t be silly I had the urges long before I ever played pac m…

    never mind.


  243. unclassifiable
    246 | December 18, 2012 9:34 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Now you’ve done it.

    Throw out the first Monty Python clip for the night.


  244. brookly red
    247 | December 18, 2012 10:12 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Now you’ve done it.

    Throw out the first Monty Python clip for the night.

    now you’ve done it this thread is dead.


  245. unclassifiable
    248 | December 18, 2012 10:21 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Some one needs to do Lily’s job.


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