In the wake of last Friday’s tragedy, I have seen the best and worst of people, as is usually the case in the wake of these seemingly endless national crises. My heart goes out to the parents and families who lost loved ones on that day. There is nothing in this world that can compare to the loss of a child, and I am grateful for the fact that I am not fully capable of understanding that pain. Our lives are indeed rare and precious gifts that should not be taken lightly, nor ever treated cheaply.
Each time we have one of these horrific events unfold, (and believe me, noticing that there is such a thing as a context here which includes the phrase, “each time,” is in itself something terrible,) we have a group of people who lead an evil charge which in itself is almost as insidious as the crime itself. The leaders of this movement feign sorrow and grief as a pretext for their own political gain. I do not know what the political leanings of the victims of this tragedy are, nor do I care. That is not what’s important here. What is important is that immediately after the events of Friday unfolded and while those family members were still numb with grief, the anti Second Amendment crowd went into overdrive. Members of the media sent twitter messages to surviving family members trying to solicit anti gun segments for their various talking head television shows. President Obama went to Connecticut on Sunday for a photo op with the grieving families and to deliver his speech supporting an initiative to legislate away our right to bear arms. Senator Feinstein this morning thought that now, the time was finally right to introduce legislation again, that would seek to end gun ownership in America. Any opposition to the mob mentality now capitalizing on the raw emotions of a nation in mourning is of course going to be painted as cruel, callous, and part of a mentally unstable fringe, (while we all no exactly how well reasoned mobs tend to be.)
Just a couple of thoughts however for my esteemed friends of the political left, who lie awake at night hoping for the next American Crisis to unfold, so that they might be able to convince a newly frightened mob to trade away their Constitutional Rights for the illusion of that warm and fuzzy feeling of security. These thoughts are also aimed at my friends in that mob, those who are sincere in their grief, and are prone to being swept away with the knee jerk reactions so unfortunately prevalent in the national reactions to these types of tragedies. One, unspeakable crimes of violence committed by one citizen of the world against another are as old as man kind itself. All previous attempts to simply legislate this behavior away have met with the same success as banning guns would. That is to say, no success what so ever. For those of you who are Christians or Jews, when Cain killed Abel, back during a time that predated hand guns, he managed to make 25% of the world’s population a victim of violent crime, and he did so in one of those vaunted, “gun free zones.” For those of you who are not Christians or Jews, 5000 years ago, in a book written by man which attempted to give an ethical guidance through allegory to their fellow man, some wise leaders realized that humans taking other humans’ lives in a violent manner was a problem and used one such story as an attempt to show that people should refrain from such behavior, even though 5000 years ago, the entire planet was a, “gun free zone.” What the author of the Bible happened to be, be it God or Man, was insightful. The Bible realized that people will be committing these senseless acts of aggression against each other, and further realized that it is not society as a whole who bears responsibility for their heinous acts, but the individuals who commit these unspeakable acts of evil themselves. It was Cain who killed Abel, and not all of society.
In that same book, written thousands of years ago, were some important pieces of legislation. Those of you who are Christians or Jews believe that the Ten Commandments come from God. One of those Commandments is the prohibition of taking the life of another. those of you who are not Christians or Jews, you can at least recognize that this book which attempted to lend ethical behavior to its readers through faith, also included a law prohibiting this exact type of violence. Murderous rampages were every bit the problem before guns were invented as they are today. The major difference of course is who we blame. In ancient times, we had the wisdom to blame the perpetrators of those crimes, rather than the abstract of society as a whole. If the blame lay strictly with the perpetrator, then it would not be possible to inflict a mob with a sufficient amount of fear in order to have them vote away their own freedom. That’s the reason behind the impassioned pleas to finally do something designed to prevent these heinous crimes from being committed.
The problem of course is that we will never be able to magically legislate Utopia. this is the flaw of the political left, and with the frightened mobs who follow their lead. There will never be that perfect society. No matter what the form of governance, economics, or how our societies are put together, there will be some contradictions. Not everyone will be happy all of the time. Our society of limited government, self determination, and freedom is no exception to this universal truth. Comparing what we have to Utopia, while not comparing it to the alternatives being offered up however is a huge mistake on our part, should we fall for this. I have seen the argument proffered recently that the Second Amendment is somehow an infringement to the ideals set forth in the Declaration of Independence. Putting aside for the moment the fact that this entire line of thinking is silly at best, let’s take a moment to analyze it. First, the Constitution is the law of the land, while the Declaration if Independence is not. Secondly, The Fourth Amendment recognizes our right to be secure in our homes and persons, and to defend ourselves against those who would seek to take our homes, possessions, or very lives from us. The founders of our nation knew that Utopia was not possible, and that evil does in fact exist in this world. British soldiers traipsing about the countryside and disarming the colonists was after all one of the primary reasons that the colonists decided upon revolution. It just so happens that the founding fathers recognized that it is the Second Amendment that allows the remainder of the Bill of Rights to continue to be in existence. There is a reason why the political left wants to rid us all of our ability to defend ourselves, and that reason is it limits their ability to rid us of our free speech, right to be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects, our right to be protected against unreasonable searches,seizures, or confinements.
Rate’s of violent crimes have neither increased nor decreased at all in those societies that have formerly allowed private gun ownership and then banned guns. There are plenty of examples of this having taken place in our world recently. England, Canada, Australia, and Japan have all rescinded their citizens’ right to bear arms. Much like the Biblical example given above, it has done nothing to mitigate the true cause of senseless violence. Crime rates have stayed the exact same. The reason is simple, it is people who commit these unspeakable acts, and it is people alone who bear this responsibility. People, with our ability to rationalize, show great acts of compassion simultaneously with great acts of evil, are the one constant in each of these situations. We can not simply be legislated into being nice all of the time. Gun legislation will not be able to do anything with that fact. All that will happen is that we will limit our ability to defend ourselves when the inevitable does happen, that people will continue being people, no matter what rules we pass in order to alter that fact.
Schools are a, “gun free zone,” which simply means that whenever one of these sick evil individuals decides to demonstrate to the rest of us exactly how cheaply they view human life to be, they will choose that exact location for the tutorial, for that exact reason. Lanza doubtless knew that his mom’s elementary school was the one location where he could shoot up the place unfettered by people shooting back at him.
Life was considered cheap by Adam Lanza, and his ability to procure weaponry was nothing more than an obstacle to be overcome for him. If it had been impossible for Lanza to find a gun, life still would have been considered cheap to him. Cain would still have killed Abel, irrespective of what he had at his disposal.
Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.
If Adam and Eve were the first humans and had Cain and Abel, how did the female specious develop?
@ Speranza:
Herman CAIN would be screaming 999 over and over again, 999 over and over. ABEL Maldonado, on the other hand, though he lost his house race, would say cut a deal now.
@ Speranza:
Getting my Chamesh, Stone Edition, now, I’ll get back to you.
@ Flyovercountry:
I do have to admit that one of the funniest passages from “Inherit the Wind” is this one:
“And Cain went and dwelt in the land of Nod. And Cain knew his wife. Where the hell did SHE come from?”
“I don’t know. The Bible does not say.”
“Think somebody pulled off a creation over in the next county?”
@ Carolina Girl:
Cute!
Carolina Girl wrote:
Heh.
This shows the true nature of why people want to blame guns. They don’t want to look at the idea that people can and will be evil and perform evil acts. It is interesting that when Beslan went down, it was not reported on in as much detail ( in the US at least ) as this terrible act was. Banning an inanimate object doesn’t stop the person who performs the act. In the end, we must look at ourselves and our fellow man as the perpatrator. That is uncomfortable. People also want to “be safe” so they will willingly give up anything to get it, even if its fleeting.
@ MikeA:
You see my point exactly, and I thank you sir! This has been a universal truth since the very beginnings of man, and has not changed in over 5000 years.
It is outrageous for the Left to exploit this before
all of the children and teachers are buried.
It is a pattern, Chris Matthews expressed gratitude
for Hurricane Sandy, because it distracted people and
helped to elect Obama.
@ RIX:
The Left are to a degree like sociopaths. They see people as ojects, not individuals. These objects are only of value if they support the Left-wing agenda. Otherwise they are meaningless. This attitude leads to far worse than a spree killing. It isd the kind of attitude that lead to Stalin’s manufactured famines and the Gulag. And, too, the Nazi death camps where a person was considered of no utility at all if they were of certain classifications.
@ Flyovercountry:
It is I who thank you for stating an obvious and painful truth that most don’t want to see. If we ban the gun, ban the knife, ban “racism” and make up “hate” crimes, then it will stop. It does not due to man being a fallen creature.
Many will ask -- “Where was God?” but God was there the whole time. It is us who do not want him. We don’t him to interfere when we lie or cheat or steal or do any number of other things that violate his law but when something like this happens, we want him to stop it. Free will cuts in many ways.
@ Iron Fist:
A big downside to modern Liberalism is that
it unleashes base impulses.
They convince themselves & each other that
their purity of intention justifies unhinged
behavior, including smears and violence.
@ RIX:
Can’t make the omlette without breaking a few eggs….
Speranza wrote:
There are some, me included, that believe there were humanoids alive at that time that were just as human as Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel, but did not have the breathe of the spirit that God imparted that made them different from the others and spiritually connected to the Creator.
@ MikeA:
The core of the Left believes that humans are perfectible, if only you use enough force to perfect them. Again, witness the man-made famines in Stalin’s USSR. All in the name of creating the Perfect State. Obama isn’t too terribly far removed from that kind of thnking, and he doesn’t consider himself too terribly constrained by the Constitution. I am really worried about what we may see play out in the next couple fo months.
@ Iron Fist:
Another point understood and brought home, thank you sir! The left believes that they can legislate Utopia, and that all it will take is to tweak human behavior to a form that they find preferable. The ultimate law giver, God himself passed a law against Murder over 5000 years ago, and guess what, we still have that problem plaguing our society today. No legislation enacted by man, no matter how eloquently worded, will fare any better.
@ MikeA:
That is their rationale. If people get destroyed, hey
it’s for the cause.
I swear, VDH reads this very blog…
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335874/conservative-populism-victor-davis-hanson#
” If Obama wishes revenue, then why not slap surtaxes on sports, movie, and concert tickets to the point that Sean Penn, Barbra Streisand, and LeBron James may have to pay a little more of their fair share? Why not go after the hyper-salaries of nonprofits’ executives? If Obama wants “taxes on the rich,” perhaps he should start with new surcharges on the well-paid executives of government-subsidized or tax-exempt entities such as PBS, NPR, the Rockefeller Foundation, and the Tides Foundation.”
@ heysoos:
I said that very thing to Rodan on the phone Sunday night. I said “someone is reading us -- because we say it here and a couple three days later we’re reading it elsewhere.”
Hey look what happens when someone else’s ox gets gored.
@ unclassifiable:
When did he become a conservative?
Marco Rubio,,,”stealth RINO”. A new breed.
Well this is just disturbing. A nudge, then a shove, then a bullet it seems. I can’t help but notice how the language in the press release keeps refering to the citizens as subjects….
@ lobo91:
Not too quick now.
He still is a big O supporter and made a seriously messed up faux-viral ad supporting Jamie Foxx’s lord and savior.
Better to let him go off about the !?$&@/ high taxes and all of the $&@!?€£ homeless people hassling him in the street for money.
Then one day he will wake up and realize.
Seattle Today:
Seattle Today, Councilmember Bruce Harrell, Chair of the Council’s Public Safety, Civil Rights and Technology Committee, announced that he is calling for a special committee to explore the option of filing a statewide Initiative to allow larger cities like Seattle to modify RCW 9.41.290. RCW 9.41.290 does not allow Seattle to regulate firearms in any meaningful way.
The law states, “Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with,
more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.”
This Initiative, if passed, would allow Seattle to enact laws that would increase public safety in our neighborhoods, schools and businesses by:
1. Requiring mandatory gun safety training for concealed carry license
permits.
2. Requiring handgun trigger locks.
3. Requiring gun safes.
4. Requiring gun data collection.
Data shows a direct, negative correlation between the rate of gun deaths and states that ban assault weapons and require handgun trigger locks and safes.
The City Mayor tried to tighten gun control in parks and ran into the state ordinance. Costing the taxpayers a lot of dough for poor thinking by politicians.
I think if they want to deny guns in a public places they need to staff a gun check in room. Same as for a coat. Secure and responsible.
@ lobo91:
We need to be Loudly pointing out that these people who are anti-Second Amendment are as anti-Civil Rights as if they were pushing to re-segregate schools. If they don’t like the Second Amendment, they need to try to repeal it, but ignoring it, after the Supreme Court has made plain that it is an individual right, smacks of those other great Democrats Orvil Faubus and Bull Connor.
@ 24 linoleumknife: While i approve of increased talking to criminals by gun toting police. This mayor and this police chief should be fired today not tomorrow. They don’t even know what America is about.
@ darkwords:
Why should there be a “Large Cities” exception to the Bill of Rights? This is exactly what I was talking about when I said they are anti-Civil Rights.
@ linoleumknife:
Don’t you just love it when folks will say thousands of words except for the very few that could clear things up for themselves and others.
“I’m sorry. I was wrong.”
@ darkwords:
It’s a f***ing police state. That is exactly what they are proposing. If this type of thing takes root in this country it won’t be pretty. I don’t like to talk a big game, but at that point “law officers” would be fair game in my eyes.
@ 27 Iron Fist: I think Congress has few leaders who will stand up to public emotional pressure from this shooting. The NRA closed down its Facebook page which I thought was running away from the issue. The people wanting a quickie short term inadequate poorly thought out solution for their emotions need to be made to understand they aren’t makeing anything safer at all.
For the lefties I would force them to negotiate. If the argument reaches the level of changing the second amendment, then I would also negotiate for people to think about declaring the country a judeo-christian country. And remove the government from the business of the church.
@ unclassifiable:
They won’t say it because deep down they believe they are right. It’s ego on a dangerous scale.
@ 29 Iron Fist: I believe this call has gone out on the OBama astroturf grapevine. This guy is testing the water for Obama. Death by 1000 cuts. He needs to be slapped down. Seattle is full of politicians full of themselves. They think they can circumvent actual laws if they are clever and persistent enough. And we reelect them every year.
@ 31 linoleumknife: When i see the rhetoric of people who want to emotionally change the status quo here, I see violence coming in the streets. I seldom think that way. I need to get a gun. lol. Protection will be needed. Organized resistance. Nip this in the bud.
The NRA did get front page USAtoday news today.
I’d say hollywood is more the cause of this kid and lack of parenting. He wore a hockey mask. He got a gun he shouldn’t have gotten.
@ 23 taxfreekiller: The trouble today is that everyone rising into a national leadership level is groomed to be corporate and maintain a public image. The media hides the clay feet of the left.
A president should be able to go to a strip club if single. If married only if wife say ok.
@ darkwords:
It’s unfortunate, but I will not be shackled. I have no desire other than to live free and pursue my life in my own way. The left though has no desire to allow me this freedom. It goes back to the old saying, “Don’t start nothin’, won’t be nothin’”!
the end question is will the SC uphold the constitution or favor lunatic zealots that are oblivious to facts and reason….the GOP should demand from any legislation exactly what that law would achieve if anything….crime stats did not go down when ‘assault weapons’ were banned or vice versa….absent any rationale, anything can happen
@ darkwords:
The Supreme COurt struck down Chicago’s gun ban, and the Seventh Circuit Court just gave the State of Illinois 180 days to come up with a plan to legalize concealed carry. I am sure that they’ll appeal. It will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court does with that case. There is another one working its way through the court system on whether the right to carry a gun is covered in the Second Amendment. It would seem plain that it is, but law needs to be spelled out for the terminally stupid. This is a civil rights fight, ever bit as much as the struggle to de-segregate the school system was a civil rights fight. We’ll see what Obama and the Democrats actually do. The last time they passed a gun control law they lost both houses of congress as a result, and they know that. They are hoping to use the emotion of the moment to push through legislation that cooler heads would refuse to consider. That’s how they got the 1968 Gun Control Act through the congress. It was Democrats that saddled us with that albatross as well.
@ 11 MikeA: IMO this kid was ripe to be warped by slasher flicks. It would be interesting to hear about their DVD collection. Mom did have enough male or enough church in life to direct him. A kid like this might end up like crap anyone but an adult make close to him should have put some discipline into him. however much people dislike that type of gender solution it works, especially in these hard to reach people.
IS Obama the new King George III?
Does a secular person even understand what evil is? I define it as the absences of God in a person’s malicious thinking. Or in spite of.
God as in a collective intelligently designed consciousness.
Evil is the absence of God.
Hmmm, CheaperThanDirt.com no longer sells firearms.
Sad.
sample link http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-GL1950203?utm_source=EmailDirect.com&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Xmas9+-+12%2f13+Campaign
/galt
darkwords wrote:
the kid has a father. where the hell was he? and, from what i’ve heard (but no idea if it’s accurate), the dad has the resources to have paid to get the kid mental help. the mom told the babysitter to ever turn your back on the kid. these parents knew their kid was broken when he was underage. they should have taken some action. they were divorced so that likely complicated things.
darkwords wrote:
what kind of new age gobbledeyspooge is that?
there is no collective consciousness. i am conscious. you are conscious. we are not the borg.
Obama says he’s in favor of re-instating the “Assault Weapon” ban and closing the so-called “gun show loophole”. Joe Manchin, so-called conservative Democrat is all on board. People should know by now that they can’t trust a “conservative” Democrat. There is really no such thing. There are simply Democrats who choose to appear conservative until they are required to make a choice. The choice is always to come out as a Liberal Democrat. That is because that is what they always really were.
Call of duty player Shooter played gun game. MSM still glorifies him by saying his name. It’s easy to see if a mental illness is making a person obsessed. They become irrational in their obsession. A rational person would not allow guns, steak knives, baseball bats around such a person. This is where mom and dad failed. IF they couldn’t manage it, this did is rich enough to place this kid in a quality assisted living home. At 20 I fail to see why he still lived at home, other than the mom could only cope that way.
@ Kirly:
And there is the key to this whole thing. The parents knew this kid was a problem. Knew he had issues but did NOT want to face it. Could have gotten him help but the mom did nothing to stop it. This will not be looked at. They will blame it on guns, not on parents that didn’t want to think that little Johnny or in this case, little Adam, was a sicko. IIRC, the Columbine killers had the same problem.
@ 49 Kirly: The Dad makes $8000 a week. Look at that house. She didn’t have to work.
@ 47 Kirly: Just a little joke for any lefty reader.
theoutsider wrote:
Mr. Cain who will win the Super Bowl?
I don’t know but if they follow my 9 9 9 plan ……
@ 47 Kirly: The collective unconsciousness comes from Jungian Psychology. I just think of it as another view of God. But I am not a traditional thinker in regards to God. But do appreciate people who are good examples of traditional religion. E.G. I believe in reincarnation.
But those are swear words to some people.
GF is a hard core Baptist who believes none of my nonsense but we seem to get along well over the years. She believes in the young earth concept, I don’t. It helps that she is smart and can argue and confuse me. 
@ 53 Speranza:
Touchdown!, Safety
, Touchdown!, Safety 
, Touchdown!, Safety 
,
Yes that would win a superbowl easily.
Iron Fist wrote:
agenda 21
@ 54 darkwords: Lately I am thinking on how “Christ died for our sins” a lot. And I think I see where that applies in Jungian psychology. Maybe especially there. Jung talks about archetypes in consciousness that influence the growing life of people. I think Christ altered those archetypes. For all the world, not just Christians.
But I digress. I’ll get off the touchy subject material.
@ MikeA:
@ Kirly:
Not at all that simple guys, and the only reason I know this is because the little Ms. is a Psych Nurse. The libs have been busy at the state level during recent decades making it almost impossible to force help on the mentally ill who do not want that help. They may have tried to get this kid some help for all we know, and if the kid refused it, well then according to the libtards who wrote these laws, which Connecticut is about the single worst state on this according to Breitbart, then the crazy person has rights.
This thing comes down to a whole lot of bad policy before we’re done pointing fingers, and it’s mostly the libtards.
@ 56 coldwarrior: I would think they would be opening themselves up to racial discrimination claims. Black gangs no longer allowed to own a gun? or restricted in a manner white kids on a farm aren’t? Seattle has a history of creating laws that violate the constitutional rights of its citizens. and seattle boycotted Arizona ( and still does) because it thought Arizona was violating the rights of undocumented workers.
@ darkwords:
But that is a scapegoat. I have played “violent” games most of my life. Never once have I decided to go a violent rampage assaulting innocent people. Music, movies, games, books, guns, knives, swords, etc. are not responsible for the actions of any human. Each individual is solely responsible for their actions.
@ 58 Flyovercountry: Same thing here. No involuntary treatment unless the person is convicted of a violent crime. Usually that is assaulting a relative. Sometimes more than once. Then 48 hours of observation, 2 weeks in monitored care if needed, and 6 months in a half way house. IF no family around anymore. Then back out on the streets with no further assistance.
@ 60 linoleumknife: Yes I would say 99 percent of people play video games as a healthy activity. There is a small percentage of people who let the mindless violence massage their mind and can’t control any obsessions that develop. It’s not the game, but how malleable they are and what thoughts start to percolate in them regarding how to handle stress. The parents (2) male and female are the best avenue to them to grow and model some behaviors that lets them manage stress.
I think this kid is common in America today. There are other kids around thinking, yah that is me also. And they worry about it, until they snap and can’t control themselves. Some of them will just kill themselves first. If I was the dad, I would have taken the kid to see a prostitute and gotten their identity obsession fixated on something fundamental. I would also be exposing them to religion of the fundamental direct kind. Putting them in front of a video game as an adult baby sitter is a bad idea.
@ linoleumknife: I play violent video game also, and some of them are too gruesome for me. But I have no bad effects from them other than carpal tunnel and time wasting some weekends.
@ darkwords:
rights?
agenda 21 gives you no rights
darkwords wrote:
i like that treatment plan
@ darkwords:
I agree that parenting and religion are positive and integral to raising a healthy human being. The problem I see with the obsession of what he watched and played, is that in the end it almost always directs the attention of the conversation away from the more direct and important aspects of the individual. Yes his mind may have been more malleable to violence, but he would find violence anywhere he wanted to.
I have to think Jay Carney is the most stupid person in the BO admin…here Jake Tapper schools him, again
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/violent-videogames-mental-health-and-guns-todays-qs-for-os-wh-121812/
coldwarrior wrote:
It’s very frustrating to talk to people about that. They look at me as though I should be institutionalized.
Even Hubby -- who now admits I was absolutely right about Obama and is walking around like he’s been pole axed -- will not believe me about Agenda 21.
I could just scream.
eaglesoars wrote:
we are cassandra
heysoos wrote:
Nah. He’s just your garden variety Washington whore. He makes good money lying thru his teeth. Trust me. He thinks WE are the stupid ones. He gets off on it.
Hillary. Concussion. Benghazi.
darkwords wrote:
No, the mother hadn’t to work (she had Multiple sclerosis) and yes they knew that the son had problems and that’s why the father paid about US 240k a year to support mother and son.
coldwarrior wrote:
Snakes licking my ears.
Thanks. I needed that.
@ darkwords:
Provided, of course, the other side isn’t doing…Touchdown! Field goal! Touchdown! Field goal! Touchdown.
I am always brought to a giggle when the team that is down by 40 points is on the 40 yard line with 3 minutes to go, at 4th and 1 (or 4th and anything, really). And chooses to punt.
Guys, you have no hope of winning. This is a GREAT time to see how you do on 4th and damn near impossible situations! Show some spine.
Of course, they always punt it away and the other side runs it back for a touchdown. *Sigh*
Maybe the Arizona bowl game last weekend had some NFL coaches taking notice. Down 14 with less than two minutes to play, they came back and won the whole damn thing. I wasn’t online but I would have LOVED to see CW’s response to that ending! P.S. to Boise State -- that blue field REALLY gets on my nerves after awhile.
@ heysoos:
The fact that he is the Press Secretary and his job is to speak for the President in day to day dealings is amazing. He had to have failed highschool speach class.
@ darkwords:
I brought up the “culture of violence” issue because the libs were pushing thie gun grabbing agenda. I mean if a right is the issue then why not include all of the rights? It was funny when S.L. Jackson and Q. Tarrentino started defending their livelihood.
eaglesoars wrote:
yer welcome!
@ coldwarrior:
OMG….I just Googled Agenda 21.
@ linoleumknife:
He is indicative of the level of competance Obama wants from his people. Obama doesn’t want anyone who is more competant than himself, and it really shows.
@ Carolina Girl:
Scary business huh?
Carolina Girl wrote:
Get scared. Fast. Also, buy more ammo.
@ Iron Fist:
LOL, the only thing Obama works hard at….
Carolina Girl wrote:
that was one hell of a finish!
Iron Fist wrote:
That explains Mooch
Carolina Girl wrote:
welcome to our world.
@ darkwords:
if your GF was such a “hardcore Baptist” then she’d know she shouldn’t be unequally yoked with you.
speaking about Agenda 21, this just popped up
http://townhall.com/columnists/phyllisschlafly/2012/12/18/the-un-wants-to-tax-us-too-n1468979/page/full/
@ Carolina Girl:
Do you feel like you took the red pill?
Can someone explain to me why the Dow was up by 100 pts? I’m missing something here (no jokes please)
@ Flyovercountry:
i clearly stated they should have got him help when he was underage. they had the right then, not him. if the state prevented them, then they should have relinquinshed ALL parental rights up to the state and said, fine, you deal with the problems. not kidding.
eaglesoars wrote:
optimism on the budget negotiations.
heysoos wrote:
I do believe Agenda 21 was around before global warming/climate change. Could be wrong….
eaglesoars wrote:
started in the early 90′s
coldwarrior wrote:
Crimeny. Define STUPID.
isnt that convenient
eaglesoars wrote:
wall street loves free money thrown at them. they would crap their pants if they had to actually work at making the bonuses like in the 80′s.
as long as the fed prints money the market goes up.
coldwarrior wrote:
Bernanke’s sole purpose in life is to prop up Wall Street.
Gotta go. Beagle needs me.
@ coldwarrior:
I’m sure Islam will jump right on board
@ coldwarrior:
Freedom from choice.
@ heysoos:
@ unclassifiable:
it is rather vile reading. they were smart not to make it a treaty or there would have been public discussion.
agenda 21 is implemented through the back door, a little at a time
Speranza wrote:
Cain and Abel were not the only children.
@ Lily:
HIYA LILLY!
how ya feeling?
@ coldwarrior:
Look at the RCP county by county maps. Look at how a lot of the blue is concentrated in the urban counties.
What I am about t say is harsh but…
I have contemplated a movement to have ALL of the conservatives move out of those blue counties.
“A thousand Detroits”
@ Lily:
{{{{{Lily}}}}
Welcome back to the show.
How’s the ticker?
@ unclassifiable:
keep an eye out for taxes to be introduced in the surrounding areas/counties to be paid directly to the cities.
@ Lily:
Hi Lilly. Doesn’t the Bible mention another son, Seth?
coldwarrior wrote:
That will happen, “Regionalism”
MikeA wrote:
My goodness very well said. Too many people ask “Where is God when something bad happens.” The answer is in the fact that He has been rejected.
coldwarrior wrote:
Yes,yes, I seem to remember Pittsburgh had a commuter payroll tax at one time.
The only thing I can say is that for now it keeps the fight at the local/state level where the conservative viewpoint may fair better.
Hey all testing out my new smartphone
RIX wrote:
‘metropolitan tax sharing’
unclassifiable wrote:
someone made the taxation without representation argument and it went away.
i’ll pay taxes, let me vote.
Bumr50 wrote:
its smart.
wattdya get
@ Lily:
Howdy!
Nice to see you back. I hope that you are doing well.
@ coldwarrior:
Samsung Galaxy S 3.
I like it.
Anyway, the local cops in Etna sure do like to pull over ANYONE without an emission sticker.
I just bought my car in Butler and explained the law to Barney Feif.
Localized laws like that make it much easier to detain people.
I guarantee there are people that paid that fine but were completely innocent.
darkwords wrote:
Evil is even more than that..but not near as powerful as God.
@ Bumr50:
he was also fishing for a dui
MikeA wrote:
The Columbine killers were of a different breed. As far as knowing your kid has problems of course they did but was anyone listening?
@ Bumr50:
my miata is exempt but i still make my mechanic put an ‘exempt’ emissions sticker on it so barney fife the ubercop doesnt pull me over.
coldwarrior wrote:
You guys still have those? We had them for years, had to have the car “tested” annually (for a fee, of course). What a scam. They eventually did away with it, nearly ten years ago now.
@ Kirly:
Here’s the thing. Mental illnesses for the most part can not be cured, being not acute in nature, but chronic. I do not know that they didn’t get him or try to help him earlier in life. That would do nothing for him once he turned 18 and began refusing to take his meds, if that were the case. Honestly, I do not know what the situation was. What I do know is that I had an Aunt with mental health issues who we would take to the Hospital and attempt to commit because she was bat shit crazy, and exhibiting such in an obvious and dangerous manner. After 3 days involuntary stay, she was out on the streets thanks to the laws and a lawyer. We beat our heads against the wall fighting against the legal system that said, “crazy people have the right to be crazy, and opt out of the treatment.”
The danger to themselves or others standard is a piece of history now, and the new standard is can you prove that they are incapable of deciding for themselves whether they are able to convey their own wishes, or something else foolish. Long story short, it’s all about waiting until they do something and treating them after the fact now.
Once again, I don’t know if the family tried or not, I wasn’t there. I just know that with the current laws on the books in most states, them trying might not have mattered anyhow. Mentally ill patients being under the custodial care of their parents only helps until they turn 18, at which point, the game changes considerably.
MacDuff wrote:
depends on what county ya live in
taxes to go up, spending on back burner…
a couple of people here called that one weeks ago
MacDuff wrote:
We still have it
heysoos wrote:
that was a gimme prediction
@ coldwarrior:
My mechanic has a personal pet peeve about it, and issues copies of the statute with a business card stapled to them.
@ coldwarrior:
yeah, I know…but I thought it might be different this time with the cliff
heysoos wrote:
SSDD
heysoos wrote:
push the crash farther down the road.
they are truly spineless in dc.
coldwarrior wrote:
Hey CW feeling like I got run over by a truck!!
@ Bumr50:
i like it.
unclassifiable wrote:
Working! Just need to recover now…and WOW very, very sore!
/thanks for asking.
Lily wrote:
no pain, no gain…you’ll be much better in a short time I’d bet….think of all the new mileage!
Lily wrote:
well gee, lets see, they used carpentry to crack open your chest then they insulted a bunch of tissue, then stitched ya back up.
Lily wrote:
Did ya get the licence plate??
Good to see ya.
RIX wrote:
Seems if I remember correctly Adam and Eve had several children ..they just weren’t named..and you could be right about Seth too here…I’d have to drag out my bible…and for now that is too heavy for me.
@ Lily:
Drugs.
citizen_q wrote:
Hey citizen_q..doing okay …sore and painful as all get out though.
Flyovercountry wrote:
In spite of the predictable “we must ensure this never happens again!” BS, we can’t and it will. You posted eloquently on this matter quite recently, as I recall.
coldwarrior wrote:
Don Rickles does cardio surgery? Wow, who knew?
@ Lily
u
Good to see you, Lily!
Lily wrote:
I googled it & according to the source the Bible mentions Cain.
Abel & Seth.
@ coldwarrior:
LOL! Yeah they did a number on me and I’m feeling every bit of it.
/almost nappy time too.
@ Lily:
Well rest up and if anyone needs an ass chewing just remain calm and ask us to do it for you.
You need to get your strength back before you resume full activities.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Yeah I did…something along the lines…DR. It’s Only Going to Hurt a little bit.
/wrong.
Bumr50 wrote:
Oh I have plenty…Not.Worth.It.One.Bit.
unclassifiable wrote:
rickles and dangerfield, general surgeons.
@ MacDuff:
Hey MacDuff!
@ RIX:
Sounded about right concerning Seth.
Lily wrote:
Anytime a Dr. says “This is going to hurt a little” you know you’re in trouble…
unclassifiable wrote:
I’ll hold you at your word there! LOL!
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Don’t you know it!!!
I need to get this out:
Cain and Abel were certainly not the only children of Adam and Eve. Our first parents had many, many children. God was in charge and he knew what he was doing when he told them to go forth and multiply and fill the earth. Adam and Eve were perfect physical specimens of humans and there were problems with genetics when their children married each other. According to the bible, Adam lived about 900 years. That gave him plenty of time to have A LOT of children and since Eve was perfect, she was capable of giving birth to more than a few kids. Remeber: God was actively in charge at that time.
But then if you don’t believe in God or the bible, then make up your own scenario.
father_of_10 wrote:
Lily wrote:
Yeah, but it was news to me when I googled it.
@ father_of_10:
Which of course is not even remotely related to the point for which it was included, that senseless violence was as much a problem for mankind 5000 years ago, roughly 4500 years before the first fire arms were used. The genealogy of Adam’s off spring doesn’t really enter into it, except that it’s fun to watch the arguing to some extent.
Later Gators.
Look at the killings in schools on wikipedia and you will see that America pales in comparison to the rest of the world. Muslims are especially good at killing masses of students, especially when they are Jewish kids.
father_of_10 wrote:
or little girls trying to learn how to read…but they don’t waste any ammo on them, they burn them to death
Hillary Clinton claims to have fallen with the resulting concussion…
Xrays of her head showed nothing…
(stolen)
@ Lily:
Hi {{{Lily}}}
father_of_10 wrote:
exactly! on both.
@ Kirly:
in fact, i didn’t answer earlier because i’m a bit sick of the jokes and mocking of God. God is beyond anyone’s imagination so mocking Him as if He couldn’t create a perfect Human pair who could live for 900 years and make 800 babies (i made up the number) with no genetic defects, is just insulting and probably not very wise. what happens to the mockers if they’re wrong? they’ll join f*ckface johnson, that’s what.
One other thing… do people think that every second of every day of every year of the life of every person should have been included in the Bible? really? the text would have engulfed the earth thousands of years ago!
great. i’m talking to myself. virtual life is just like real life.
Kirly wrote:
whatever you post is fine with me
coldwarrior wrote:
Represented by the Law Firm Dewy, Cheatham and Howe?
/
‘Study’ Claims Fox News Viewers Have Average IQ of 80
heysoos wrote:
that’s really quite nice.
@ Bumr50:
odd…it took a four hour battery of tests to determine my son’s IQ…
maybe I was duped
heysoos wrote:
I second that emotion.
Could things in Syria be any more confusing?
http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-jets-bomb-palestinian-camp-damascus-183823689.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
@ yenta-fada:
another Muslim kill fest…they’re happy as long as they are slaughtering each other…any grumbling about guts and rubble is just a ploy to gain sympathy from influential outsiders
@ 167 Bumr50: that’s a pathological liar there who gets his jollies off fabricating stories.
shoot. someone just linked this and i can’t find who it was
http://twitchy.com/2012/12/18/unverified-claim-erik-loomis-removed-professor-from-his-twitter-bio/
anyway, loon college professor tweeted out such vile hatred that he ultimately took down his twitter account. too bad the professor isn’t smart enough to realize that the internet is forever. i do hope the dumbass gets fired for this. i really do. it’s incitement to violence -- which makes it criminal.
@ darkwords:
I hope you’re right.
@ Kirly:
too bad people can’t be deleted, or whole groups of them….think of the possibilities
@ 110 Bumr50: You seem to have gained 30 IQ points just from that phone. I need to get one and dump this iphone.
@ 105 coldwarrior: Here they want to dump the gas tax and install a miles driven tax.
heysoos wrote:
ah, to be the kid from the twilight zone…. “to the cornfield!” with all the bad guys. yes, i know the kid was bad. but *I* would be good. mwuahahahahaha!
@ Kirly:
Yeah, that guy’s effing nuts.
ht -Twitchy
Edited for content by yours truly.
darkwords wrote:
here where? the leftists bring that turd of an idea up every year or two here (usa)
@ darkwords:
I like it.
Never got into iPhones or iPods because I loathe iTunes.
@ 85 Kirly: Love conquers all. Hardcore to me. You know the joke about Baptists right?
Bumr50 wrote:
i’ll say! that Twitchy does a pretty good job of documenting the insane who tweet idiocy out.
look what fat freak loon Michael Moore tweeted out
http://twitchy.com/2012/12/17/michael-moore-people-should-pass-a-mental-health-exam-to-own-a-gun/
@ Kirly: Seattle, Statue of Lenin oversees the city.
@ 184 Kirly:
Of all the ideas so far that I have I like the idea of arming 2 or 3 adults in a school and giving them First Responder training. I read where Israel has done it successfully.
@ 73 Carolina Girl: You’re talking 49′ers there right? I thought I recognized the play style.
darkwords wrote:
Double-heh.
@ Kirly:
I bookmark Twitchy and visit often.
I never have to use my Twitter account, although I probably should.
I don’t see how Agenda 21 can be a good idea. The UN has no substance.
Alabama is the only state that has banned Agenda 21. 1200 US cities have accepted it. Only 9 percent of the population supports it.
@ Kirly:
Vince Neil.
http://twitchy.com/2012/12/18/if-you-teach-your-kids-to-use-guns-celebri-ghoul-vince-neil-doesnt-want-you-at-his-shows/
darkwords wrote:
There should be something like the FFDO program (armed pilots) that was instituted for the airlines after 9/11. I don’t think you’d have any problem finding teachers/administrators to volunteer.
@ darkwords:
I live in one.
@ 192 MacDuff: It’s important to protect all kids. We are doing a crappy job of it as a country. Gun Control IMO will miss the point completely.
Political Correctness:
An old man, a boy & a donkey
were going to town. The boy rode on the donkey & the old man walked.
As they went along they passed some people who remarked “What a shame the old man is walking and the boy is riding.”
The man and boy thought maybe the critics were right, so they changed positions. Later they passed some people who remarked “What a shame…. he makes that little boy walk.” So they then decided they’d both walk! Soon they passed some more people
who remarked “They’re really stupid to walk when they have a decent donkey to ride.” So, they both rode the donkey.
Now they passed some people who shamed them by saying “How awful to
put such a load on a poor donkey.” The boy and man figured they were probably right, so they decide to carry the donkey.
As they crossed the bridge, they lost their grip on the animal
and he fell into the river and drowned.
The moral of the story? If you try to please everyone, you might as well…Kiss your ass goodbye!
darkwords wrote:
It not only misses the point, it actually obscures it.
Bumr50 wrote:
I do too. Canada has plenty of them. Same for Europe.
@ Bumr50:
ME too. All the cities around here are.
OT: Game of Thrones christmas card.
ht- Breitbart
It’s very telling that these people aren’t heading to HARTFORD.
Bumr50 wrote:
i shall oblige the idiot.
@ 195 yenta-fada: lol hadn’t heard that one. Trying to think which GoPer it reminds me of.
MacDuff wrote:
puhlease. the loons won’t even let Eddie Eagle into schools and his message is “Stop! Don’t Touch! Tell an Adult!” or the equivalent. best children’s education on gun safety that exists. up until they learn how to use them. they are mechanical tools, after all.
heysoos wrote:
It happens all the time, it’s called ethnic cleansing…
@ Kirly:
I guess I was making the mistake of thinking there’s a modicum of rational thought left in the educational system.
My bad.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
i don’t want to kill them. i just want to send them to the cornfield. and certainly not based on their ethnicity. and i find the suggestion down right offensive since ethnicity wasn’t part of the topic. rather, it was stupidity. ahem.
MacDuff wrote:
there isn’t. hell, it seems like there’s very little remaining anyplace.
@ 202 Kirly: Yes I’v mentioned something like this to a few lefties. Just that gun safety should be taught in schools. One would think I was advocating nuclear warfare on Gaza by their responses.
@ Kirly:
There is an increasing number of desensitized young people roaming the land and there are those who believe that relieving me of my right to defend myself, perhaps from these very young people, is the proper response.
You’re right. There really isn’t much rational thought to be had anymore.
@ Kirly:
The left doesn’t want anyone to learn how to use guns. They want everyone to fear guns and gun owners.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
too late
Kirly wrote:
My best friend/sister called me a wingnut. They depend on ‘making kool-aid’ for a living although they would never see that side of things. Honest, compassionate people who just don’t get how evil people are. They ignore the jihad thing too.
i’m probably gonna be on a list or something now. i tweeted the idiot michael moore.
https://twitter.com/Kirlz/status/281196578658738176
yenta-fada wrote:
that’s one they might regret
Kirly wrote:
Deportation is also considered to be a method of ethnic cleansing.
@ MacDuff:
If by ‘desensitized’ you mean ‘completely self-absorbed and entitled’
I hear you. I suppose you also refer to the lack of a moral compass in the age of moral relativism.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
i guess you missed the part about the cornfield… a joke from the twilight zone. ok, fine. you’re calling me a nazi without coming right out and saying it. fine. i’m done here.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
The Deportation orders aren’t necessarily carried out:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/18/audit-feds-immigration-check-system-fails-12-perce/
@ Kirly:
I didn’t read da Beerfreak’s statement as criticism. Maybe I’m not paying attention…I dunno.
@ Kirly:
You have totally missed my point.
My first reply was for Heysoos and was meant to caution against “deleting” groups of people and nothing more.
yenta-fada wrote:
All that and desensitized as well. The course, violent culture combined with very realistic and gruesome video games is not a good medium for growing young men, even in the best of circumstances.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
my post was completely in the abstract
heysoos wrote:
I know you weren’t serious. Heck, if I could, I’d get rid of all the libturds…
@ 224 Da_Beerfreak:
All liberals should be required to wear Mickey Mouse hats.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
point, click, done….
Miller time
heysoos wrote:
Sounds good to me.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
and THAT was the incredibly blunt point that YOU missed. repeatedly. you still implied i’m a nazi. so eff off.
@ darkwords:
Goofy.
With the floppy ears and felt fangs.
@ Kirly:
Nothing like being too thin skinned.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
/get off of my planet!
Wow…I’m watching the dumbest gun rights discussion ever on Fox News.
They should probably have someone on who actually understands the topic.
Next up: “Do violent movies and video games encourage psycopaths to commit murder?” using a clip from the first Dirty Harry movie to promote it.
I don’t really think Harry Callahan could be seen as encouraging anyone to commit murder. He pretty much killed all the bad guys in his movies.
@ lobo91:
I seem to recall Son of Sam getting orders to kill from his dog.
So I guess the answer is “not exclusively” unless Berkowitz’s dog watch violent movies and played violent video games.
Geez red herring is going to be on the menu every day for a year.
@ unclassifiable:
I don’t really think psycopaths need much encouragement.
Did anyone blame Jodie Foster for the Reagan assassination attempt?
unclassifiable wrote:
actually it was his neighbors dog…
I am very familiar with that case, I know (used to work with) the woman he was obsessed with, and whom he modeled his victims after.
@ brookly red:
So his neighbor’s dog played violent video games.
Bad dog.
lobo91 wrote:
here is sticky wicket, it is now politically incorrect to discriminate against someone who has mental “issues” so do we discriminate against those likely to exhibit “anti-social behavior” or do we treat the mentally ill with innocent until proven guilty? I don’t have an answer just asking the question.
unclassifiable wrote:
/considering he had no thumbs it should have been a warning sign.
@ lobo91:
Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
And let me say this is not to denigrate the memory of the innocent people lost to these type of horrendous acts of violence. We the living are still having a very hard time dealing with it.
unclassifiable wrote:
I think the only video games around at that time were Pong and Asteroids.
lobo91 wrote:
pac man
brookly red wrote:
Incitement to cannibalism.
unclassifiable wrote:
don’t be silly I had the urges long before I ever played pac m…
never mind.
wow. http://www.france24.com/en/20121218-belgium-looks-euthanasia-minors-alzheimers-sufferers
@ brookly red:
Now you’ve done it.
Throw out the first Monty Python clip for the night.
unclassifiable wrote:
now you’ve done it this thread is dead.
@ brookly red:
Some one needs to do Lily’s job.