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Hamas Nazis and the Americans who love them

by Speranza ( 181 Comments › )
Filed under Egypt, Gaza, Hamas, IDF, Israel, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Media, Muslim Brotherhood, Palestinians at December 20th, 2012 - 3:00 pm

The Knish reminds us that Hamas’s war with Israel is because Israel is not Islamic. They hate Israel because it is full of Jews and they do not hate Jews because of Israel (contrary to left-wing dogma)  but because they (Jews) are non Muslims.

by Daniel Greenfield

“For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave,” the introduction to the Hamas Charterstates. That isn’t the right way to say it of course. It’s supposed to say Israelis or Zionists. That way there would be plausible deniability. That way Thomas Friedman and Roger Cohen could look at it and believe that Hamas doesn’t mean them.

Not them. Not the good Jews who go to work every day at 620 8th Avenue in Renzo Piano’s modernist New York Times skyscraper. Certainly Hamas might have issues with the bad Jews, the ones who cling to the hills of the West Bank, who walk the length of their farms and vineyards with assault rifles on their backs, but not with the good Jews. The Jews so good that they’re hardly Jews at all.

But Hamas, that long branch of the Muslim Brotherhood reaching from Cairo to Gaza, does say Jews. Not a political identity, but a racial one. Still Roger Cohen and Thomas Friedman might protest that if Hamas has come to hate Jews, it is only because of Israel. The Anti-Zionist chicken gave birth to the Anti-Semitic egg.  Hamas however would beg to differ.

“Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims,” Article 28 of the Charter says, proving that the Anti-Zionist chicken hatches out of an Anti-Semitic egg.

Hamas, like all Islamists, does not seek to kill Jews because of Israel. It seeks to destroy Israel because it is filled with Jews. The Jews are not hated because of Muslim opposition to Israel. Israel is opposed because of the Muslim hatred of Jews. There is no deal to be made here. The trouble with Israel is not that it sits on a piece of land that someone wants. The trouble with Israel is the ethnic and religious composition of its people. The trouble with Israel is that it’s in the way of Islamic Armageddon.

“Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take,” Article 7 states. “The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The (end) time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!”

During the last Gaza conflict, Al-Aqsa TV, Hamas’ own propaganda station, aired a music video that included the message, “Killing Jews is worship that draws us close to Allah.” When two Al-Aqsa TV operatives were killed during the conflict, the New York Times’ David Carr penned a furious piece accusing Israel of “using war to target journalists.”  [......]

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Human Rights Watch criticized Israel saying, “Civilian broadcasting facilities are not rendered legitimate military targets simply because they broadcast pro-Hamas or anti-Israel propaganda.” And what could be more civilian than a genocidal propaganda facility run by a terrorist organization that is then run by a worldwide terrorist organization whose members have included Osama bin Laden? I am speaking of course of the famously moderate Muslim Brotherhood.

The Nazis used to fund the Muslim Brotherhood.  [......] And the Third Reich at least didn’t get around to shipping warplanes to the Brotherhood the way that the Obama Administration has.

Hamas, we have been told often enough in Time Magazine, the New York Times and the Washington Post, is pragmatic. And when Obama got on the phone with Mohammed Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood leader of Egypt, he reportedly admired Morsi’s pragmatism. After Hamas’ electoral victory, the head of the PLO Washington mission said that power would make Hamas pragmatic. That was in 2006.

But pragmatism to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood does not mean what it does on 620 8th Avenue. Hitler, Stalin and Mao were pragmatists. They told foreign diplomats one thing while building mountains of skulls at home. Hitler had a pragmatic program. He wanted to conquer major portions of the world and wipe out the Jews. This is rather close to the pragmatic program of the modern day Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood.

“Killing Jews is worship that draws us close to Allah,” say the famously pragmatic journalists of Al Aqsa TV. When an organization like the Muslim Brotherhood announces that “Jihad is its path and death for the cause of Allah is its most sublime belief,” then its forms of worship will by their very nature be very bloody.  [......]

The religion of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood is killing Jews. And the latest survey of the Palestinian Arab public shows that 87.8 percent of them, or 9 out of 10, support Hamas’ war against the Jews. How do you find common ground with people whose form of worship is killing you? There is only one way. By joining the war on their side.

Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are pragmatists. That means that they are willing to sit down and chat with New York Times reporters until it becomes expedient to chop their heads off. Being a pragmatic serial killer is all about this kind of divide and conquer triage; figuring out which of your victims to kill now and which of your victims to manipulate into seeing you as a moderate serial killer. A serial killer who can be reasoned with and counted on to keep the unreasonable serial killers in line.

Hamas’ American supporters have found their common ground with a genocidal terrorist organization by counting on that same pragmatism to keep them alive. That is how Cindy Sheehan can troop down to Gaza or Pakistan. It is why New York Times reporters in Gaza don’t meet the same fate as Daniel Pearl.

The endgame for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood is still that glorious genocidal apocalypse where every rock and tree will turn into a snitch. But they are willing to be pragmatists until they can get there. For the moment New York Times reporters are useful for covering up Hamas rocket launches from schools and hospitals. For the moment Human Rights Watch activists are good for faking a human rights crisis and allowing the terrorist group to rearm. For the moment America is good for some free money and even weapons.

For the moment the pragmatic serial killers will pick and choose which Jews they will commune with Allah by trying to murder. But moments pass quickly. And with enough F-16s, even pragmatically genocidal groups no longer need to be very pragmatic about their genocide at all.

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  1. 1 | December 20, 2012 3:26 pm

    Hamas is funded by Qatar. That same nation funds the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda. Yet they are protected by the US Navy.

    Food for thought.


  2. RIX
    2 | December 20, 2012 3:30 pm

    The Progressives refuse to accept that their is a fundamental
    difference between pious Muslims and other faiths.
    If any thing they see Christianity as the real threat.


  3. 3 | December 20, 2012 3:34 pm

    @ RIX:

    If any thing they see Christianity as the real threat.

    Yup, that is why progressives in both parties love seeing Christians killed by Muslims. But when Christians fight back, they demonize them.


  4. RIX
    5 | December 20, 2012 3:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    If any thing they see Christianity as the real threat.

    Yup, that is why progressives in both parties love seeing Christians killed by Muslims. But when Christians fight back, they demonize them.

    The irony is that the Islamists loathe Secularists at least as much
    as they hate Jews & Christians


  5. 6 | December 20, 2012 3:41 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yet when radical Islam takes over, the progs will be among the first targeted.


  6. 7 | December 20, 2012 3:43 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yup, the Democrats and National republican Party have a surprise coming. 9/11 taught them the wrong lesson.


  7. 8 | December 20, 2012 3:45 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    They are in for a shock.


  8. Speranza
    9 | December 20, 2012 3:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Hamas is funded by Qatar. That same nation funds the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda. Yet they are protected by the US Navy.
    Food for thought.

    Qatar used to be one of the more modern, progressive Arab states.


  9. eaglesoars
    10 | December 20, 2012 3:46 pm

    Muslims in general just hate. That’s all they do


  10. 11 | December 20, 2012 3:50 pm

    Islam hates America worse than they hate the Jews. Remember, we are the Great Satan. Israel is the Lesser Satan.


  11. taxfreekiller
    12 | December 20, 2012 3:52 pm

    OT

    Would it be racist to dress up like Obama, use “ebonics” language to walk around calling out…

    “Me no Bengzie Me no Fast and Furious”

    and or would I only be 1/2 blamed it being I’m a half breed….??


  12. 13 | December 20, 2012 3:52 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Now it’s a wahabbi hotspot. Qatar is the head of the emerging Sunni Caliphate. I would not be shock if their Emir is the one who will be crowned the Caliph.


  13. RIX
    14 | December 20, 2012 3:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Yup, the Democrats and National republican Party have a surprise coming. 9/11 taught them the wrong lesson.

    At least NASA has it right, making Muslims feel
    good about themselves./


  14. 15 | December 20, 2012 3:55 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hey if it makes you feel better, The Muslim Brotherhood has declared Russia their #1 enemy! :lol:

    Hey I am trying to be positive here!

    :lol:


  15. 16 | December 20, 2012 3:56 pm

    @ RIX:

    That is another thing I get angry about. Both parties have gutted the space program. The Obama Regime wants NASA to make Muslims feel better and the National Republican Party wants to nation build. This is a mistake we will regret.

    But I am a lonely voice on this.


  16. texasam7
    17 | December 20, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ Rodan:
    That’s because the Russian leaders actually support their country’s interests.


  17. eaglesoars
    18 | December 20, 2012 4:02 pm

    good lord! 50 mph wind in Chicago tomorrow?


  18. yenta-fada
    19 | December 20, 2012 4:02 pm

    International Economic Meeting held in Doha. There is a more recent one, as well. Money center seen as ‘neutral’. Doh!

    http://dohaforum2012.qatarconferences.org/


  19. 20 | December 20, 2012 4:04 pm

    texasam7 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    That’s because the Russian leaders actually support their country’s interests.

    I remember when America used to be about its interest. That ended in 1989 when Reagan left office. Since then The Bushes, Clinton and Obama have been stooges of Internationalist/Islamic interest.

    We need a National interest based foreign policy. But I am alone in this.

    How’s the weather by you?


  20. 21 | December 20, 2012 4:05 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    International Economic Meeting held in Doha. There is a more recent one, as well. Money center seen as ‘neutral’. Doh!
    http://dohaforum2012.qatarconferences.org/

    His Highness Sheikh Hamad Bin Khalifa Al Thani, Emir of the State of Qatar, opens the Doha Forum

    Do you see what is in his name? Khalifa, that Arabic for Caliph! My God, it’s all coming together now.


  21. 22 | December 20, 2012 4:06 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    good lord! 50 mph wind in Chicago tomorrow?

    Global Warming! Oh wait!
    :lol:


  22. buzzsawmonkey
    23 | December 20, 2012 4:06 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    good lord! 50 mph wind in Chicago tomorrow?

    Barack is giving a speech there?


  23. texasam7
    24 | December 20, 2012 4:06 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Overcast. They keep talking about snow, but I’ll believe it when I see it. We’re probably in for some more rain.


  24. 25 | December 20, 2012 4:07 pm

    Sheik Hammad bin Khalifa Al-Thani the Caliph? Put the pipe down, dude!


  25. yenta-fada
    26 | December 20, 2012 4:09 pm

    Harvard Law School group meeting in Doha, Jan/2013

    http://www.harvardiglp.org/iglp-the-workshop/


  26. eaglesoars
    27 | December 20, 2012 4:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    good lord! 50 mph wind in Chicago tomorrow?

    Barack is giving a speech there?

    Al Gore.

    heh


  27. yenta-fada
    28 | December 20, 2012 4:12 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Sheik Hammad bin Khalifa Al-Thani the Caliph? Put the pipe down, dude!

    You are missing the point. The bigshot connections between radical Islam and the West are openly fostered in Qatar.


  28. yenta-fada
    29 | December 20, 2012 4:14 pm

    Bloomberg Conference of CEOs in Doha, April, 2013

    http://www.bloomberglink.com/event/doha-2013/


  29. yenta-fada
    30 | December 20, 2012 4:16 pm

    UN meeting in Doha “Financing for International Development.

    http://www.un.org/esa/ffd/

    ANYBODY see a pattern????


  30. eaglesoars
    31 | December 20, 2012 4:17 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Harvard Law School group meeting in Doha, Jan/2013

    http://www.harvardiglp.org/iglp-the-workshop/

    This initiative aims to promote innovative ideas and alternative approaches to issues of global law, economic policy, and social justice

    Note to self: Buy more ammo.


  31. yenta-fada
    32 | December 20, 2012 4:17 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    The second Bloomberg Doha conference will gather CEOs, asset managers, Investors and notable regional decision makers for a two-day conference examining the biggest challenges that face asset managers as they globalize. We’ll analyze the region’s fast-growing infrastructure and influence on everything from the consumer economy, the flow of money into alternative asset managers, the 2022 World Cup and the rising role of women.


  32. eaglesoars
    33 | December 20, 2012 4:18 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    ANYBODY see a pattern????

    Yeah. Agenda 21.


  33. eaglesoars
    34 | December 20, 2012 4:18 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    the 2022 World Cup

    what???


  34. unclassifiable
    35 | December 20, 2012 4:20 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I think there is a legitimate argument to be made that NASA and a small government is not compatible.

    It’s worth a discussion because there are strong points to be made on both sides especially concerning NASA’s primary objectives (and no I do not think Muslim outreach is one of them).

    It is a difficult issue because NASA is responsible for one this nation’s greatest accomplishments.


  35. yenta-fada
    36 | December 20, 2012 4:20 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    All of this endorsed by the Powers That Be. Out in the open. No coverage in the news, just reported somewhere. No IMPLICATIONS mentioned anywhere. ‘cept on the tin foil hat innernut sites that I won’t go to.


  36. yenta-fada
    37 | December 20, 2012 4:21 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    the 2022 World Cup

    what???

    Somebody is making plans, and it isn’t us.


  37. unclassifiable
    38 | December 20, 2012 4:23 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Well at a certain point having all of these fascist in one place will be really convenient.


  38. Speranza
    39 | December 20, 2012 4:25 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Well at a certain point having all of these fascist in one place will be really convenient.

    Target rich environment?


  39. 40 | December 20, 2012 4:28 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Sheik Hammad bin Khalifa Al-Thani the Caliph? Put the pipe down, dude!

    Qatar is funding Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qeda. Do you deny these facts?


  40. yenta-fada
    41 | December 20, 2012 4:28 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Well at a certain point having all of these fascist in one place will be really convenient.

    Not if there is an internationalized military under the aegis of the UN. No linky, but I would bet you could just google stuff until you found the scent.


  41. 42 | December 20, 2012 4:29 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    I fully support Nasa because it’s in our nation’s interest.


  42. unclassifiable
    43 | December 20, 2012 4:29 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    This may be a slight point of departure from a lot of folks on this blog.

    I do in fact beleive in the right to free assembly for Americans in America.

    None the less when all of these CEOs, politicians, and “recognized” leaders assemble for these conferences I can really see why folks would get a little worked up.

    No one likes to get played.


  43. yenta-fada
    44 | December 20, 2012 4:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    Sheik Hammad bin Khalifa Al-Thani the Caliph? Put the pipe down, dude!

    Qatar is funding Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qeda. Do you deny these facts?

    I may be smoking what you are smoking….


  44. RIX
    45 | December 20, 2012 4:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    That is another thing I get angry about. Both parties have gutted the space program. The Obama Regime wants NASA to make Muslims feel better and the National Republican Party wants to nation build. This is a mistake we will regret.
    But I am a lonely voice on this.

    The Space Program has always been a source of national
    pride. I don’t really care about Muslim self-esteem.


  45. yenta-fada
    46 | December 20, 2012 4:31 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:

    This may be a slight point of departure from a lot of folks on this blog.

    I do in fact beleive in the right to free assembly for Americans in America.

    None the less when all of these CEOs, politicians, and “recognized” leaders assemble for these conferences I can really see why folks would get a little worked up.

    No one likes to get played.

    No mainstream media coverage unless you look at Bloomberg every day. It’s just BUSINESS as usual. Those people are just like you and me, right??


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    47 | December 20, 2012 4:32 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    I do in fact beleive in the right to free assembly for Americans in America.

    IKEA’s entire business model is based on it…


  47. yenta-fada
    48 | December 20, 2012 4:32 pm

    The Blogmocracy; Home of the little little people. :-(


  48. yenta-fada
    49 | December 20, 2012 4:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:

    I do in fact beleive in the right to free assembly for Americans in America.

    IKEA’s entire business model is based on it…

    Snort!


  49. buzzsawmonkey
    50 | December 20, 2012 4:34 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    The Blogmocracy; Home of the little little people.

    At least you didn’t use the “M-word, or you’d have to join Hank Johnson in the Apology Tent.


  50. Speranza
    51 | December 20, 2012 4:35 pm

    That is how Cindy Sheehan can troop down to Gaza or Pakistan.

    Cindy Sheehan in Gaza? Where was an IDF/AF hellfire when you need one?


  51. 52 | December 20, 2012 4:35 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    The Blogmocracy; Home of the little little people.

    Yet how many times over the last 3 years have we been ahead of the curve? None of the establishment Blogs like Hot Air, The Blaze or Daily Caller even come close to what we write. They just write up RNC talking points. We write up the truth.


  52. 53 | December 20, 2012 4:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Sheik Hammad bin Khalifa Al-Thani the Caliph? Put the pipe down, dude!
    Qatar is funding Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qeda. Do you deny these facts?

    How’s their funding compare to Kuwait and The Magic Kingdom? Numbers, please…


  53. yenta-fada
    54 | December 20, 2012 4:36 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    The Blogmocracy; Home of the little little people.

    At least you didn’t use the “M-word, or you’d have to join Hank Johnson in the Apology Tent.

    Can’t I even say “moral midget” anymore? It’s such a nice turn of phrase.


  54. Speranza
    55 | December 20, 2012 4:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I don’t really care about Muslim self-esteem.

    The price for Muslim self esteem is blown up bodies and heads separated from their shoulders.


  55. buzzsawmonkey
    56 | December 20, 2012 4:37 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Can’t I even say “moral midget” anymore? It’s such a nice turn of phrase.

    If you take a Congressman to lunch and mushroom salad is served, you can have a moral midget eating midget morels.


  56. Speranza
    57 | December 20, 2012 4:37 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Mike C. wrote:
    Sheik Hammad bin Khalifa Al-Thani the Caliph? Put the pipe down, dude!
    Qatar is funding Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qeda. Do you deny these facts?
    How’s their funding compare to Kuwait and The Magic Kingdom? Numbers, please…

    By any chance have you had business in the Gulf?


  57. buzzsawmonkey
    58 | December 20, 2012 4:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I don’t really care about Muslim self-esteem.

    Welcome to the Muslim Selfa Steam Baths…


  58. yenta-fada
    59 | December 20, 2012 4:39 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Sheik Hammad bin Khalifa Al-Thani the Caliph? Put the pipe down, dude!
    Qatar is funding Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qeda. Do you deny these facts?

    How’s their funding compare to Kuwait and The Magic Kingdom? Numbers, please…

    Kuwait and Saudi Arabia is just the same sh!t, different location. I think you are not looking at the bigger geopolitical game. You are in a unique position because you come from oil world, which is a REAL international currency. It may be that you are too close to perceive some of the other points.


  59. 60 | December 20, 2012 4:40 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Why yes, I have. Why? Does that invalidate the question?


  60. eaglesoars
    61 | December 20, 2012 4:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I don’t really care about Muslim self-esteem.

    Welcome to the Muslim Selfa Steam Baths…

    Make it stop.


  61. 62 | December 20, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Now you move the goal post? Here’s more for you. Look who was in gaza supporting Hamas!

    GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – When the ruler of Qatar arrives in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, he will hand the Palestinian territory’s Hamas rulers their biggest diplomatic victory since taking power five years ago.

    The first head of state to visit Hamas-controlled Gaza, the emir will deliver more than $250 million in aid, a move that will deepen the Islamic militant group’s control of Gaza and which reflects the rising influence of the Muslim Brotherhood across the region.

    The Brotherhood now governs Egypt, and Islamic parties have made gains elsewhere in the region since last year’s popular revolts that became known as the Arab Spring. Qatar has been a key ally of the movement, which includes the Palestinian offshoot Hamas.

    I am sure the Magic Kingdom has their hands also. But Qatar is rapidly appearing as the head of the snake.

    Here’s Qatar funding al-Qaeda in Mali.


  62. unclassifiable
    63 | December 20, 2012 4:43 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I think that needs to be analyzed. When you get that idiotic “outreach program” or searching for evidence to support AGW then those interest need to be questioned.

    Launching and maintaining military satellites might be a necessary immediate function.

    Manned flight to Mars — well maybe if we did not have all this debt we need to pay off first.

    But we need to line up these national interests with the narrowing of government interest that will come as a result of shrinking the government.

    And NASA, generally speaking, is a small part of the budget. But that is precisely how debt explodes.

    A billion here and a billion there and pretty soon you are talking about some real money (like a billion isn’t a lot of money).

    A nation that has its financial house in order can fund a NASA but, even more so, a thriving private sector could also do that.


  63. 64 | December 20, 2012 4:43 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Hamas is funded by Qatar. That same nation funds the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda. Yet they are protected by the US Navy.
    Food for thought.
    Qatar used to be one of the more modern, progressive Arab states.

    Oh, and Sheik Hammad is the one who did that, after booting out his father, Sheik Khalifa. Back in what? 95? 96?

    But there’s nothing particularly progressive about Qatar -- it’s a kingdom, ruled by the head of the Al-Thani family.


  64. 65 | December 20, 2012 4:44 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Why are you so sensitive about what is being said about Qatar?


  65. 66 | December 20, 2012 4:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Why yes, I have. Why? Does that invalidate the question?
    It explains why are very sensitive about these facts about Qatar.

    C’mon now -- give me those comparative numbers I know you have…


  66. yenta-fada
    67 | December 20, 2012 4:45 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Can’t I even say “moral midget” anymore? It’s such a nice turn of phrase.

    If you take a Congressman to lunch and mushroom salad is served, you can have a moral midget eating midget morels.

    Only you, Buzz. Only you. :-)


  67. unclassifiable
    68 | December 20, 2012 4:45 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I am reconsidering what I wrote.

    I am putting a reserve on my “I’m sorry. I was wrong.” but it may be coming.


  68. 69 | December 20, 2012 4:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Why are you so sensitive about what is being said about Qatar?

    I’m seeing bold statements and no data. Doesn’t matter which country it’s being said about.


  69. yenta-fada
    70 | December 20, 2012 4:48 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Why are you so sensitive about what is being said about Qatar?

    I’m seeing bold statements and no data. Doesn’t matter which country it’s being said about.

    PROPAGANDA CENTRAL for the Arab world:

    The Chairman of Al Jazeera is Sheikh Hamad bin Thamer al-Thani. It was made by decree made by Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa of Qatar where it’s based.


  70. unclassifiable
    71 | December 20, 2012 4:49 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:
    I do in fact beleive in the right to free assembly for Americans in America.
    IKEA’s entire business model is based on it…

    That is two smiles for my grumpy ass today. Thanks.


  71. yenta-fada
    72 | December 20, 2012 4:49 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Notice my #70.


  72. Da_Beerfreak
    73 | December 20, 2012 4:50 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    good lord! 50 mph wind in Chicago tomorrow?

    That’s why Chicago is known as the “Windy City”. :wink:


  73. yenta-fada
    74 | December 20, 2012 4:51 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I don’t really care about Muslim self-esteem.

    Welcome to the Muslim Selfa Steam Baths…

    Make it stop.

    He can’t help himself. lol. And that’s a GOOD thing.


  74. Speranza
    75 | December 20, 2012 4:53 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Why yes, I have. Why? Does that invalidate the question?

    No but you always gave me the impression of being a GHW Bush/James Baker type Arabist.


  75. 77 | December 20, 2012 4:53 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    So all this is made up?

    Qatar’s emir reaffirms support for Hamas

    Senior diplomatic source: Qatar is a bitter enemy

    Qatar’s ties with the Muslim Brotherhood affect entire region

    It’s all made up! Qatar is nice peaceful Islamic country!
    ///


  76. 78 | December 20, 2012 4:54 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mike C.:
    Why are you so sensitive about what is being said about Qatar?
    I’m seeing bold statements and no data. Doesn’t matter which country it’s being said about.
    PROPAGANDA CENTRAL for the Arab world:
    The Chairman of Al Jazeera is Sheikh Hamad bin Thamer al-Thani. It was made by decree made by Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa of Qatar where it’s based.

    That’s Hammad bin Khalifa Al-Thani. And yes, I know Al Jazeera is HQed there. Doesn’t answer my question, though. US command for the ME is HQed there, too, but I don’t think Qatar is funding the US military.


  77. 79 | December 20, 2012 4:55 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Notice my #70.

    It’s not true! I need hard data. Qataris are great people! They would never do this!
    /////


  78. 80 | December 20, 2012 4:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Why yes, I have. Why? Does that invalidate the question?
    No but you always gave me the impression of being a GHW Bush/James Baker type Arabist.

    Heh.


  79. eaglesoars
    81 | December 20, 2012 4:55 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    He can’t help himself

    Did you see this?


  80. yenta-fada
    82 | December 20, 2012 4:55 pm

    Doha produces Mo propaganda movie. h/t blazingcatfur

    http://globalmbreport.org/?p=7735


  81. 83 | December 20, 2012 4:56 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    So all this is made up?
    Qatar’s emir reaffirms support for Hamas
    Senior diplomatic source: Qatar is a bitter enemy
    Qatar’s ties with the Muslim Brotherhood affect entire region
    It’s all made up! Qatar is nice peaceful Islamic country!
    ///

    No, I’m sure that’s not all made up. Do you know Qatar is very friendly with Iran? Do you know why Qatar is very friendly with Iran?


  82. Da_Beerfreak
    84 | December 20, 2012 4:58 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    I think there is a legitimate argument to be made that NASA and a small government is not compatible.

    It’s worth a discussion because there are strong points to be made on both sides especially concerning NASA’s primary objectives (and no I do not think Muslim outreach is one of them).

    It is a difficult issue because NASA is responsible for one this nation’s greatest accomplishments.

    From July 12, 2010:
    White House: No Muslim outreach for NASA
    SpaceX is where the future is going.


  83. 85 | December 20, 2012 4:59 pm

    Those great Qataris!

    Most of the money or weapons flowing into the country for rebels has come from Gulf states like Saudi Arabia and Qatar and some of that support, of course, has ended up in the hands of Islamist militias like Nusra.


  84. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | December 20, 2012 5:00 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Do you know Qatar is very friendly with Iran? Do you know why Qatar is very friendly with Iran?

    Isn’t “Catarrh” just a big blob of throat phlegm?


  85. yenta-fada
    87 | December 20, 2012 5:02 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    So all this is made up?
    Qatar’s emir reaffirms support for Hamas
    Senior diplomatic source: Qatar is a bitter enemy
    Qatar’s ties with the Muslim Brotherhood affect entire region
    It’s all made up! Qatar is nice peaceful Islamic country!
    ///

    No, I’m sure that’s not all made up. Do you know Qatar is very friendly with Iran? Do you know why Qatar is very friendly with Iran?

    Why don’t you tell me why instead of just demanding answers to your questions? I believe in debate, but I don’t see you providing back up and numbers to your point of view yet.


  86. 88 | December 20, 2012 5:03 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Did someone tell Iran Qatar is their friend?

    They are both in a pissing match over Syria as we speak!


  87. citizen_q
    89 | December 20, 2012 5:04 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Isn’t “Catarrh” just a big blob of throat phlegm?

    I thought he was our second worst president.


  88. 90 | December 20, 2012 5:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Why do the Gulf Arab states want to overthrow Ba’athist regimes? That’s an actual question, BTW. I already know the answer, but I’d like to see you answer it.


  89. 91 | December 20, 2012 5:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Did someone tell Iran Qatar is their friend?
    They are both in a pissing match over Syria as we speak!

    Qatar got very friendly with Iran in the 90s. Do you know why?


  90. 92 | December 20, 2012 5:06 pm

    The Struggle for Syria: Iran-Qatar Ties Come

    Qatar’s lead in internationally isolating the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Iran’s closest Arab ally, and Qatar’s role in arming his opponents, has broken the back of traditionally close Qatari-Iranian relations. It has ended the years of Iran bending over backwards to avoid animosity with Qatar despite the Gulf state’s increasingly open backing of US and European efforts to force the Islamic republic to halt its nuclear enrichment programme and its backing of Saudi-led efforts to stymie Iranian influence in the Middle East and North Africa.


  91. yenta-fada
    93 | December 20, 2012 5:06 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Does everyone have to pass a test to get some facts from you?


  92. 94 | December 20, 2012 5:08 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Qatar got very friendly with Iran in the 90s. Do you know why?

    I don’t give care. They are both Islamic countries and can go fuck off. I hate them both.


  93. yenta-fada
    95 | December 20, 2012 5:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:

    Qatar got very friendly with Iran in the 90s. Do you know why?

    I don’t give care. They are both Islamic countries and can go fuck off. I hate them both.

    Mike C. is baiting you.


  94. 96 | December 20, 2012 5:09 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Why do the Gulf Arab states want to overthrow Ba’athist regimes? That’s an actual question, BTW. I already know the answer, but I’d like to see you answer it.

    To Establish the Sunni Caliphate.

    But I bet you will answer that they are our friends and it’s all gravy.


  95. 97 | December 20, 2012 5:09 pm

    Okay, just one more and I’ll give up. The Qatari and Bahraini flags are identical except for the color of the hoist. Both have 9 points to the hoist field. Do you know why?

    What this is is a series of questions to see if you know anything about the history of the area and what is behind the things you see today.


  96. 98 | December 20, 2012 5:10 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Does everyone have to pass a test to get some facts from you?

    What facts do you want from me?


  97. 99 | December 20, 2012 5:10 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    I know.


  98. 100 | December 20, 2012 5:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Why do the Gulf Arab states want to overthrow Ba’athist regimes? That’s an actual question, BTW. I already know the answer, but I’d like to see you answer it.
    To Establish the Sunni Caliphate.
    But I bet you will answer that they are our friends and it’s all gravy.

    1991 is ancient history to you, isn’t it? That date is a clue, BTW,


  99. 101 | December 20, 2012 5:12 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Okay, just one more and I’ll give up. The Qatari and Bahraini flags are identical except for the color of the hoist. Both have 9 points to the hoist field. Do you know why?
    What this is is a series of questions to see if you know anything about the history of the area and what is behind the things you see today.

    In other words, you are an apologist.

    Hey do you deny the agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda?


  100. yenta-fada
    102 | December 20, 2012 5:14 pm

    OT. Meantime, the BIG money bought the New York Stock Exchange. The extremely rich get extremely richer.

    New York Stock Exchange sold to rival for S$10b Updated 11:13 PM Dec 20, 2012 NEW YORK – The New York Stock Exchange is being sold to a rival exchange for about US$8 billion (S$9.8 billion), ending more than two centuries of independence for the iconic Big Board. The buyer, IntercontinentalExchange, an upstart exchange based in Atlanta, made clear today that little would change for the iconic trading floor in Manhattan’s financial district if regulators approve the deal.

    [winalot] There will be dual headquarters in New York and Atlanta and ICE will open an office in Manhattan. NYSE CEO Duncan Niederauer will become president of the combined company and CEO of NYSE Group. ICE said that the tie-up will create a top exchange operator covering a diverse lineup of markets and boosting efficiency. “We believe the combined company will be better positioned to compete and serve customers across a broad range of asset classes by uniting our global brands, expertise and infrastructure,” said IntercontinentalExchange Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Sprecher. “With a track record of growth and returns, clearing and M&A integration, we are well positioned to transform our combined companies into a premier global exchange operator that remains a leader in market evolution.”


  101. unclassifiable
    103 | December 20, 2012 5:15 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    SpaceX is where the future is going.

    I think you may be right.


  102. 104 | December 20, 2012 5:16 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Unreal!


  103. yenta-fada
    105 | December 20, 2012 5:16 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Did someone tell Iran Qatar is their friend?
    They are both in a pissing match over Syria as we speak!

    Qatar got very friendly with Iran in the 90s. Do you know why?

    Well, just answer your own question for starters. We are waiting for you to contribute to our knowledge base.


  104. yenta-fada
    106 | December 20, 2012 5:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Unreal!

    Just before Christmas when nobody will notice. If you could trace those machinations, you’d probably end up with the power brokers that run the casino.


  105. 107 | December 20, 2012 5:19 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Yup, The Fed’s easy money keeps Wall Street going.


  106. 108 | December 20, 2012 5:21 pm

    Republicans shoot themselves in the foot again. Boehner does not have votes to pass plan B.

    What’s the point of the Republican party?


  107. yenta-fada
    109 | December 20, 2012 5:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Yup, The Fed’s easy money keeps Wall Street going.

    Afaik, all that zero interest rate policy does nothing to create jobs and improve the economy. People won’t start businesses and banks won’t lend given the new taxes and the other uncertainties.


  108. yenta-fada
    110 | December 20, 2012 5:23 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Notice that Mike C. disappears when asked for factual information.


  109. 111 | December 20, 2012 5:24 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mike C.:
    Did someone tell Iran Qatar is their friend?
    They are both in a pissing match over Syria as we speak!
    Qatar got very friendly with Iran in the 90s. Do you know why?
    Well, just answer your own question for starters. We are waiting for you to contribute to our knowledge base.

    Oh pish-tosh. Rodan has the answers, I’m sure. He’s not interested in my answers. I’m an apologist, apparently, although I don’t see where I apologized for anybody, anything or any place.

    Hey, there’s always Wikipedia…

    No, seriously… If you want to know why some of these places and people act the way they do, you actually need to know a bit about their history. Most of the world doesn’t understand why we have a second amendment because they are pretty vague on the whole history business. Why do the Arab Gulf States want to see the Ba’athist fall? Why was Qatar friendly with Iran? Why are the Qatari and Bahraini flags all but identical? These aren’t just trivia questions, they are history that explains why you see the things you see today. Some of that history is hundreds of years old, some of it was well within my lifespan, all of it is relevant. Don’t you want to know more than something you picked up from a 500 word article on the internet?


  110. unclassifiable
    112 | December 20, 2012 5:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Republicans shoot themselves in the foot again. Boehner does not have votes to pass plan B.
    What’s the point of the Republican party?

    Well old racist white peole who keep yelling at the kids to stay off their lawn while sitting in their rocking chair cleaning their assault rifles and high capacity magazines need some place to call home.

    /do I have too?


  111. 113 | December 20, 2012 5:25 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Notice that Mike C. disappears when asked for factual information.

    Sorry -- still here.


  112. 114 | December 20, 2012 5:26 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Care to discuss the history of Islam since 636 AD?

    I’m game.


  113. 115 | December 20, 2012 5:30 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Why did Qatar support the overthrow of Mubarak? Egypt was their ally in Gulf War I.


  114. yenta-fada
    116 | December 20, 2012 5:31 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Notice that Mike C. disappears when asked for factual information.

    Sorry — still here.

    Then could you provide us with the answer to your original question and help us expand our perception of the all-important OIL machinations?


  115. 117 | December 20, 2012 5:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Care to discuss the history of Islam since 636 AD?
    I’m game.

    I’m sure you are. But then, that’s not the question(s) I raised, is it? Take a read back through my posts, if you wish, to see what I was asking and what my initial point was.


  116. 118 | December 20, 2012 5:32 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Why did Qatar gave the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood refuge there?

    Why are they funding the Muslim Brotherhood?

    Since you know all the answers, tell us!


  117. unclassifiable
    119 | December 20, 2012 5:32 pm

    Later folks.

    Starting the Christmas vacation.

    Put the peanut shells and hay on the floor to soak up the bodily fluids.

    Aloha


  118. yenta-fada
    120 | December 20, 2012 5:32 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mike C.:
    Did someone tell Iran Qatar is their friend?
    They are both in a pissing match over Syria as we speak!
    Qatar got very friendly with Iran in the 90s. Do you know why?
    Well, just answer your own question for starters. We are waiting for you to contribute to our knowledge base.

    Oh pish-tosh. Rodan has the answers, I’m sure. He’s not interested in my answers. I’m an apologist, apparently, although I don’t see where I apologized for anybody, anything or any place.

    Hey, there’s always Wikipedia…

    No, seriously… If you want to know why some of these places and people act the way they do, you actually need to know a bit about their history. Most of the world doesn’t understand why we have a second amendment because they are pretty vague on the whole history business. Why do the Arab Gulf States want to see the Ba’athist fall? Why was Qatar friendly with Iran? Why are the Qatari and Bahraini flags all but identical? These aren’t just trivia questions, they are history that explains why you see the things you see today. Some of that history is hundreds of years old, some of it was well within my lifespan, all of it is relevant. Don’t you want to know more than something you picked up from a 500 word article on the internet?

    OF COURSE I DO. That’s why I’m asking!


  119. 121 | December 20, 2012 5:32 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    I did read your questions. You are looking at a narrow frame and not the big picture.


  120. 122 | December 20, 2012 5:33 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    :lol:


  121. 123 | December 20, 2012 5:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Why did Qatar support the overthrow of Mubarak? Egypt was their ally in Gulf War I.

    Ah, okay. Qatar (or at least some influential Qataris) provided support to groups in the Egypt rebellion to get rid of a non-family power, and also to quiet their own dissidents.

    Now you answer one of mine.


  122. yenta-fada
    124 | December 20, 2012 5:38 pm

    I know one thing that happened in 1991.

    the largest forced displacement of Palestinians from an Arab state took place in 1991 when Kuwait expelled most of its Palestinian residents in retaliation for the Palestine Liberation Organization’s (PLO) endorsement of Iraq’s brutal occupation of the emirate (August 1990-February 1991). It mattered little that this population, most of which had resided in Kuwait for decades, was not supportive of the PLO’s reckless move: From March to September 1991, about 200,000 Palestinians were expelled from the emirate in a systematic campaign of terror, violence, and economic pressure while another 200,000 who fled during the Iraqi occupation were denied return. By September 1991, Kuwait’s Palestinian community had dwindled to some 20,000.


  123. 125 | December 20, 2012 5:39 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    You really believe what you wrote? Can you answer with a straight face that Qataris do not support the Caliphate? It is the end game of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Why are the Qataris supporting Al-Qaeda in Mali?


  124. eaglesoars
    126 | December 20, 2012 5:40 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Kuwait expelled most of its Palestinian residents in retaliation for the Palestine Liberation Organization’s (PLO) endorsement of Iraq’s brutal occupation of the emirate

    I believe Jordan’s Queen Rania (sp?) was among them?


  125. RIX
    127 | December 20, 2012 5:40 pm

    Anybody see the “Five” on FNC?
    O’Riely was the guest.
    He did a world class smack down on Beckel.
    Beckel was alleging that the BHO Administration
    was working “silent” channels to free our Marine from
    Mexico & the Doctor from Benghazi.
    O’Reiley just made a fool out of him. So including
    Beckel,there were two guys making a fool out of Beckel.


  126. yenta-fada
    128 | December 20, 2012 5:43 pm

    The whole mess is Byzantine:

    Byzantine definition
    jargon, architecture
    A term describing any system that has so many labyrinthine internal interconnections that it would be impossible to simplify by separation into loosely coupled or linked components.
    The city of Byzantium, later renamed Constantinople and then Istanbul, and the Byzantine Empire were vitiated by a bureaucratic overelaboration bordering on lunacy: quadruple banked agencies, dozens or even scores of superfluous levels and officials with high flown titles unrelated to their actual function, if any.
    Access to the Emperor and his council was controlled by powerful and inscrutable eunuchs and by rival sports factions.
    [Edward Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"].
    (1999-01-15)

    I believe you can use this word in relation to the entire Middle East.
    sigh.


  127. RIX
    129 | December 20, 2012 5:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I don’t really care about Muslim self-esteem.
    The price for Muslim self esteem is blown up bodies and heads separated from their shoulders

    .

    Does seem to make them feel good about themselves.


  128. citizen_q
    130 | December 20, 2012 5:49 pm

    @ RIX:
    Was beckel sober? He looks drunk the few times I have watched The Five.


  129. 131 | December 20, 2012 5:50 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Okay, here we go. In no particular order…

    Why are the Qatari and Bahraini flags almost identical? That flag design is what the Brits came up with for the newly-independent nation of The United Arab Emirates. The 9 points were for the 9 emirates, which included Bahrain and Qatar. But Bahrain refused to join anything that included Qatar, declared it’s own independence and nicked the flag design. Qatar felt obliged to return the favor, declared independence, and altered the flag slight. The Qatari-Bahraini dispute (between the two ruling falmilies) goes back to the 1700s. This is why there are 7 emirates in the UAE, not 9. In Arabic, the name “Al-Thani” (the ruling family of Qatar) means “the second”, because they were the second family back when, when the ruling family of what is now Bahrain ruled out of Zubarah on the west coast of the Qatari penninsula. The Al-Sabah family moved their HQ to Bahrain for the water, but still claimed all of Qatar. Iran, BTW, still claims all of both Bahrain and Qatar.

    Why do Qatar and other Gulf states want to see the Ba’athist go down in Syria? This is really modern history and I’m kind of surprised people don’t know. The Iraqi over-run of Kuwait, that’s why. Here was a Ba’athist, non-royal ruler overrunning one of theie buddy kingdoms and looking like he was going to overrun them as well any minute. I imagine they still occasionally wake up in a cold sweat over that one. Another factor, of course, is that they bribe militant groups to conduct their jihad elsewhere, and not bother the ruling family. All the Gulf kingdoms do that. It may be riding the tiger, but that’s what they do.

    Why did Qatar buddy up to Iran in the early 90s? As a move against Saudi Arabia. SA claimed a pretty big chunk of Qatar as well, and made a “border adjustment” then by overrunning a Qatari military post, killing 2. Sheik Khalifa wasn’t a fan of the west, so he buddied right up to Iran as a hopefull counter-balance. When Sheik Hammad got in, he kind of slacked off Iran, and invited the US military in to take Iran’s place once they had been booted from SA.

    Hope that helps…


  130. RIX
    132 | December 20, 2012 5:51 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Was beckel sober? He looks drunk the few times I have watched The Five.

    I really couldn’t tell, but he was really pissed.


  131. eaglesoars
    133 | December 20, 2012 5:53 pm

    RIX wrote:

    He did a world class smack down on Beckel.

    He sure did. Does it seem to you that there is less and less tolerance for his BS? Especially from Dana……….

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Was beckel sober? He looks drunk the few times I have watched The Five.

    Beckel is a recovering alcoholic and a born again Christian.


  132. citizen_q
    134 | December 20, 2012 5:55 pm

    @ RIX:
    Can’t say I am fan of beckel, so I guess I would have enjoyed watching him being dressed down, even by O’Reilly.

    Later, I have to run an errand before I begin my evening work window.


  133. eaglesoars
    135 | December 20, 2012 5:55 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Hope that helps…

    Thanks! It’s quite helpful!!


  134. song_and_dance_man
    136 | December 20, 2012 5:56 pm

    OT Re: tomorrow and the best comment on it I’ve seen.

    The Mayan calendar didn’t have leap years. The world ended like 7 months ago.


  135. Da_Beerfreak
    137 | December 20, 2012 5:57 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    SpaceX is where the future is going.

    I think you may be right.

    NASA should be cut back in size and what is left would become the Nation’s “Official” think tank for space policy. Let the private companies do the heavy lifting.


  136. 138 | December 20, 2012 5:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    You really believe what you wrote? Can you answer with a straight face that Qataris do not support the Caliphate? It is the end game of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Why are the Qataris supporting Al-Qaeda in Mali?

    I believe everything I wrote, most of which you may have noticed were question, not statements. Do some Qataris support a caliphate? Almost certainly. The Al-Thanis support the Al-Thanis. Do they pay terrorist to ge engage in their fun elsewhere? Yes, they most certainly do (see my post just prior to this one.) But you’re the one that stated Sheik Hammad was likely to be head of the caliphate, which is completely ludicrous. Other Gulf Arabs look down on Qataris. Call them “teabags.” And yes, I know, you have no idea why that is, either.


  137. taxfreekiller
    139 | December 20, 2012 5:59 pm

    Looks like it would save money, time and translation work.

    Just get a photo of Pres. B. Obama giving U.S. the finger and
    put it on ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, and PBS on the evening news once a day.

    dirty deeds done dirt cheap


  138. taxfreekiller
    140 | December 20, 2012 6:01 pm

    Please, Please tell us the unlearnd what the other Arabs mean by “teabags” just got to know……@ Mike C.:


  139. taxfreekiller
    141 | December 20, 2012 6:04 pm

    Hey’ now’ da da, hum hum, gee ga ga…
    I’s no tha’ Bengzie the la-la, tha da do
    The’ man’ got on Fast and Furious bad acts facts on me’
    I’s da black back beauty that knows tha thangs…


  140. 142 | December 20, 2012 6:06 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    But you’re the one that stated Sheik Hammad was likely to be head of the caliphate, which is completely ludicrous.

    He’s funding the movement that is leading to the Caliphate. You said this “The Al-Thanis support the Al-Thanis.” What better way for their family to have prestige than to restore the Caliphate. People love power. Why should the Al-Thanis be satisfied at running a small emirate, when they can run a Empire.

    After all, Khalifa (Caliph) is in his name!


  141. yenta-fada
    143 | December 20, 2012 6:07 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Yes, that DOES help. I’m working on learning those facts and trying to put them into some context. People don’t know how relatively young these countries are for good reasons. The tribal divides that exist in those countries relate to the larger Muslim nations as well. That obfuscates further understanding. It’s more than just geography and the history of each nation.


  142. 144 | December 20, 2012 6:07 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    You read about that Mexican beauty Queen who was gunned down with fast and Furious guns?


  143. yenta-fada
    145 | December 20, 2012 6:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:

    But you’re the one that stated Sheik Hammad was likely to be head of the caliphate, which is completely ludicrous.

    He’s funding the movement that is leading to the Caliphate. You said this “The Al-Thanis support the Al-Thanis.” What better way for their family to have prestige than to restore the Caliphate. People love power. Why should the Al-Thanis be satisfied at running a small emirate, when they can run a Empire.

    After all, Khalifa (Caliph) is in his name!

    I don’t think anyone can run a Muslim caliphate without the Mecca franchise to give it ‘legitimacy’.


  144. 146 | December 20, 2012 6:11 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Please, Please tell us the unlearnd what the other Arabs mean by “teabags” just got to know……@ Mike C.:

    It’s because of the agal Qatari men wear. The agal is that black cord thing that holds the rest of that headgear they wear together. Qatari agals end in two long cords or tassles that hang down the back to or below the knees. No other gulf arabs wear those. If you see a gulf arab wearing that, you’re looking at a Qatari. The “teabags” reference is to the fact that it sort of makes the Qatari male look like he’s got strings like a teabag so you can dunk him in hot water.


  145. 147 | December 20, 2012 6:13 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    That’s where it will get interesting.


  146. Philip_Daniel
    148 | December 20, 2012 6:13 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Remember, we are the Great Satan. Israel is the Lesser Satan.

    Suleiman Abu Gheith, a member of al-Qaeda, gave the reason for Islamist hatred of America, and it wasn’t “occupation”:

    America is the head of heresy in our modern world, and it leads an infidel democratic regime that is based upon separation of religion and state and on ruling the people by the people via legislating laws that contradict the way of Allah and permit what Allah has prohibited.

    And Abu Gheith’s prescription?

    [The Islamic] nation was created to stand at the center of leadership, at the center of hegemony and rule, at the center of ability and sacrifice…[T]he [divine] rule is that the entire earth must be subject to the religion of Allah—not to the East, not to the West—to no ideology and to no path except for the path of Allah[.]


    Acknowledging that Islamists are reactionary, imperialistic theocrats would make the heads of Chomsky and Moore explode, so they’d rather ignore and deny the evidence, instead clinging to the notion that Islamists are progressive tree-hugging anti-imperialist feminists that have been wronged by American Crusader patriarchal misogynist capitalist colonialism.


  147. taxfreekiller
    149 | December 20, 2012 6:13 pm

    Don’t ya know, all the hit men for the drug cartels are Republican operatives just ask the msm.

    Peers down on U.S. Morgan knows for sure.@ Rodan:


  148. 150 | December 20, 2012 6:14 pm

    Fox is covering the debt bomb right now. They are rightly pointing out that if interest rates go up, we are screwed. And rates are at a record low. They will go up eventually. And they also mention the inflation monster that is coming. We are totally hosed, long term. I don’t see how we avoid collapse.


  149. 151 | December 20, 2012 6:14 pm

    @ Rodan:

    No, his name is Hammad bin (son of) Khalifa. His dad was Khalifa. His grand-dad was also Hammad. We used to call him and his dad “His Fatness and His Fatness Apparent.” But not where any native could overhear.


  150. taxfreekiller
    152 | December 20, 2012 6:17 pm

    That is keeper.

    “Peers Down On U.S. Morgan of CNN”


  151. 153 | December 20, 2012 6:18 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Yeah, they have been telling us plainly why they hate us, but the appeasers refuse to listen. There is no bribing these people to go away. They can’t be bought off.


  152. taxfreekiller
    154 | December 20, 2012 6:21 pm

    The commie Democrats think that inflation is the cure.

    They think some dumb ass commie brothers from China will come along and buy the U.S. assets at the new inflated prices and they can pay off the notes with worthless dollars.

    It is a cult.@ Iron Fist:


  153. Philip_Daniel
    155 | December 20, 2012 6:22 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Don’t ya know, all the hit men for the drug cartels are Republican operatives just ask the msm.

    I bet they’re all evil reactionary Cubans and Hondurans! Token Hispanics! Even worse, White Hispanics! Like Zimmerman!

    Those Teabaggers, they’re the National Party of the United States of Genocide!

    /


  154. 156 | December 20, 2012 6:23 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:
    Inflation has never ended we’ll for any nation that has tried it, but these morons think they’re special.


  155. Philip_Daniel
    157 | December 20, 2012 6:24 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Yeah, they have been telling us plainly why they hate us, but the appeasers refuse to listen. There is no bribing these people to go away. They can’t be bought off.

    Well, we can bribe them for life. An imperial extortion racket. The word that dare not be uttered, for fear that Loonwatchbats will descend and spew in tu quoque and ad hominem.


  156. yenta-fada
    158 | December 20, 2012 6:26 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    HI!!! Great to see you. :-)


  157. lobo91
    159 | December 20, 2012 6:38 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Or, to sum up, not everything in Middle Eastern politics is about Islam.

    People seem to forget that.


  158. 160 | December 20, 2012 6:39 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ayup…


  159. Da_Beerfreak
    161 | December 20, 2012 6:40 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Yeah, they have been telling us plainly why they hate us, but the appeasers refuse to listen. There is no bribing these people to go away. They can’t be bought off.

    The World is not big enough for the two of us. One side will have to get rid of the other. There is no other solution. :evil:

    My vote is for making them ‘go away’. Permanently. :twisted:


  160. yenta-fada
    162 | December 20, 2012 6:45 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    The commie Democrats think that inflation is the cure.

    They think some dumb ass commie brothers from China will come along and buy the U.S. assets at the new inflated prices and they can pay off the notes with worthless dollars.

    It is a cult.@ Iron Fist:

    The Chicoms approve of disarming Americans h/t moonbattery.com

    If the debt to communist China run up by our profligate rulers gets any more huge, we might have to stop laughing at stories like this:

    The official Chinese government news agency, Xinhua, has demanded the US immediately adopt stricter gun control measures to reduce the number of firearms the US populace is permitted to possess.

    The Chinese state-controlled media’s statement, titled “Innocent Blood Demands No Delay for US Gun Control,” is primarily focused on the Newtown tragedy in which 26 Americans were killed by a mad gunman. …

    The [Chinese] government went on to express a strong dislike of the National Rifle Association while also attacking the Republican Party as somehow complicit in the violence. Conversely, the article heaps praise on the Democratic Party.

    Why do you suppose the Chinese government (which has killed well over 70 million of its own people) would want our people disarmed? Maybe they have figured out that Obama et al. have no intention of paying off the debt.


  161. eaglesoars
    163 | December 20, 2012 6:49 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    (which has killed well over 70 million of its own people)

    And will continue to do so. Think ‘organ harvesting’


  162. yenta-fada
    164 | December 20, 2012 6:53 pm

    Getting ready for tomorrow:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fYnv3RdnOFc#!


  163. heysoos
    165 | December 20, 2012 7:00 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Yeah, they have been telling us plainly why they hate us, but the appeasers refuse to listen. There is no bribing these people to go away. They can’t be bought off.

    The World is not big enough for the two of us. One side will have to get rid of the other. There is no other solution.
    My vote is for making them ‘go away’. Permanently.

    I’m not really fatalistic, but on this one I have to agree…there will be a major showdown


  164. eaglesoars
    166 | December 20, 2012 7:02 pm

    I’m watching the most wonderful movie, Secondhand Lions

    Robert Duval, Michael Caine, Haley Joel Osmond. Sweet. Hilarious.


  165. eaglesoars
    167 | December 20, 2012 7:05 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    there will be a major showdown

    not during the Obama admin. He’ll let us burn.


  166. heysoos
    168 | December 20, 2012 7:06 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I’m watching the most wonderful movie, Secondhand Lions
    Robert Duval, Michael Caine, Haley Joel Osmond. Sweet. Hilarious.

    I really enjoy Robert Duval…plays the best movie cowboy ever


  167. 169 | December 20, 2012 7:07 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I’m watching the most wonderful movie, Secondhand Lions
    Robert Duval, Michael Caine, Haley Joel Osmond. Sweet. Hilarious.

    A most excellent movie, with a great bar fight scene.


  168. 170 | December 20, 2012 7:08 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Getting ready for tomorrow:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fYnv3RdnOFc#!

    (The Mayan’s were on Pacific Standard Time) All right folks… 8 hours until the end of the World, raise your hand if you forgot to Loid your Girns… :twisted:


  169. eaglesoars
    171 | December 20, 2012 7:08 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    plays the best movie cowboy ever

    Lonesome Dove. Absolute classic.


  170. eaglesoars
    172 | December 20, 2012 7:10 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    raise your hand if you forgot to Loid your Girns…

    Girns? I have girns?

    Please don’t tell my husband. It’s been a good 20 yrs.


  171. 173 | December 20, 2012 7:11 pm

    Just in case anybody out there hasn’t seen it…


  172. eaglesoars
    174 | December 20, 2012 7:15 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Oh thank you! bookmarking this one!


  173. Da_Beerfreak
    175 | December 20, 2012 7:20 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Yeah, they have been telling us plainly why they hate us, but the appeasers refuse to listen. There is no bribing these people to go away. They can’t be bought off.

    The World is not big enough for the two of us. One side will have to get rid of the other. There is no other solution.
    My vote is for making them ‘go away’. Permanently.

    I’m not really fatalistic, but on this one I have to agree…there will be a major showdown

    The problem is that it’s not us that are not willing to let others live in peace.


  174. heysoos
    176 | December 20, 2012 7:26 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    like Jack Reacher would say…
    just the four of you?…should have brought six or eight…


  175. heysoos
    177 | December 20, 2012 7:28 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    the problems will devolve into simplicity when the nukes start flying


  176. 178 | December 20, 2012 7:29 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Not familiar with the person/character…


  177. song_and_dance_man
    179 | December 20, 2012 7:34 pm

    If the world ends tomorrow I’m gonna be pissed. I have a vacation set for jan.


  178. heysoos
    180 | December 20, 2012 7:34 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Not familiar with the person/character…

    author Lee Childs renegade crime buster…Tom Cruise plays him in a new movie


  179. heysoos
    181 | December 20, 2012 7:38 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    If the world ends tomorrow I’m gonna be pissed. I have a vacation set for jan.

    pfft!…think of the line at the Pearly Gates….better pack a lunch


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