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The Stupid Party strikes out again

by Rodan ( 228 Comments › )
Filed under Conservatism, Republican Party, The Political Right at December 21st, 2012 - 11:30 am

I am no fan of Speaker John Boehner (R-OH). He has been nothing but a punching bag for Obama. His cries indicate to me a man with a weak personality. He is a political eunuch and a useless tool. That said, he finally did something right. Boehner called Obama’s bluff.

Throughout the whole campaign Obama kept calling on raising taxes on the rich. He wanted people who make over $250,000 to get a rate increase. I have been saying for months that the GOP should propose raising taxes on people making over 1 million dollars. I knew the Democrats would balk at this. John Boehner finally grew a spine and used a brain cell or two and proposed exactly what I have been advocating. His Plan B was to let taxes rise on those making 1 million a year. This was also what Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi had been calling for earlier in the year. This proposal by Boehner had Obama rattled. He sounded desperate at a news conference and was willing to raise the income threshold. Boehner finally was gaining the upper hand. But as always the GOP snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

A group of so called Conservative purists decided to kill Plan B. They came out against Plan B publicly, thus putting John Boehner in a  bind. Not having the numbers to pass Plan B, Boehner pulled the bill from the floor and recessed Congress til Dec 27th. This handed Obama a huge win and he can now legitimately say Republicans are protecting the rich. Plan B would have made Obama the protector of the rich and the GOP could argue with truth that they were protecting the Middle Class and small businesses. But that is not the case.

The Republican Party at the national level is dysfunctional. There is no strategic thinking or long term planning. On one hand you have the Establishment who are sell outs. Then you have the so called Conservative purists who love the martyrdom of defeat. These two elements in the national GOP has done damage . I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the National Republican Party is useless and just a starw-man of Democrats. The Party is torn between an incompetent Establishment and a Conservative Purity Inquisition. Rational Conservatives and Libertarians are ridiculed and silenced.

If nothing changes, a New Center-Right Party will emerge as a rejection to the Republican Establishment and the Conservative Purity Inquisition. In the meantime Obama continues his transformation of America into a Marxist state, aided and abetted by not having any opposition.

Many will disagree with what I wrote and you have every right to. I am not Charles Johnson and do not expect the readers of this blog to agree in lock step with me. All I ask is that you think about what I wrote. Do not expect any “I break with the Right” posts but I am increasingly unhappy with the direction of the Right. You have the Republican establishment who want to be Progressive lite and you have the Conservative Purity Inquisition who demand perfection. I reject both and believe there is a middle ground on the Right that is rational and can plan on a long term agenda to defeat Marxists/Progressives. I am increasingly alone in my beliefs but I feel I have to speak out.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. I do not expect full agreement just to consider my observations.

FYI- I make a distinction between the pathetic national Republican Party and the Local parties that are doing great reforms at the State level.

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  1. taxfreekiller
    1 | December 21, 2012 11:37 am

    Rodan,

    As you often say yourself.

    Your ideas and opinions find few who would follow.

    Guess you will have to be a long time party of one.

    Or get in the real game.


  2. 2 | December 21, 2012 11:44 am

    @ taxfreekiller:

    I tried getting involved in my local GOP, but there’s a power clique that likes the way things are. They shut down any new ideas. I do not have money nor stature to create an alternative. Hopefully, someone will read this and al ightbulb will go off.

    For the sake of the country, this can’t continue. Right now we have defacto One Party Rule of the Democrats.


  3. Tanker
    3 | December 21, 2012 11:46 am

    You are for all the people or for none of the people!

    Our congress and laws should never be used to punish any group or class of people.

    Yet we fall for the bate and switch and pat ourselves on the back and say we are the good, or we gnash our teeth and say the purity is killing us! Confusion much!


  4. 4 | December 21, 2012 11:52 am

    I’m not certain the description of some on the right as being the “Conservative Purity Inquisition” is valid. You’re including who want taxation rates to decline and who insist that spending cuts (real ones, that is -- like, immediately, not ten years out) come first. They’re correct. And I’m afraid I still don’t understand why penalizing the successful is such a good idea. Okay, maybe it will hit Hollywood types, singers and sports figures you don’t like, but it will also hit successful entrpeneurs whom you may or may not like. These people aren’t stupid, and they’ll mearly shift assets into less productive but more sheltered investments. A better plane would have been to simply eliminate state and local tax deductions from FIT. Never would have passed, of course, but then none of these proposals would have passed.


  5. RIX
    5 | December 21, 2012 11:52 am

    The real story is that this tax on the “wealthy” will not
    make a dent in the deficit. The Media just won’t
    tell it.
    Obama tipped his hand four years ago discussing cracking
    down on Capital Gains. He admitted that it won’t have an impact,
    but it’s “just”
    He is looking for economic justice, but if you mention Marxism it
    is somehow racist.


  6. Da_Beerfreak
    6 | December 21, 2012 11:53 am

    If expecting a party to follow its own platform is asking for too much “Purity”, than we are indeed doomed.


  7. 7 | December 21, 2012 11:53 am

    @ Tanker:

    Bingo.


  8. 8 | December 21, 2012 11:56 am

    @ RIX:

    Of course it will not. But by allowing it to up on Millionaires, the GOP can call Obama’s bluff and the ball is in his court in the Fiscal Cliff. They can rightly say Obama is defending the rich and turn the tables. he really was nervous about this. But the Purists have handed Obama a huge win.


  9. eaglesoars
    9 | December 21, 2012 11:59 am

    Hey Rodan!

    I respectfully disagree with you.

    I understand what Boehner was trying to do but he missed one possible outcome. Obama does NOT veto Plan B, and can then say the GOP has ‘conceded’(he loves that word) to his original idea and wouldn’t it have been better to just do it from the beginning w/o all the political posturing? I WON.

    And the GOP is on record as supporting tax raises for everyone making above $1 mil (and if you’re a small business owner, that’s not necessarily a lot of money)


  10. Tanker
    10 | December 21, 2012 12:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The fiscal cons stood their ground over the RINOs yet you call them Purists. Please explain and list who would standup to your purity test!


  11. 11 | December 21, 2012 12:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Of course it will not. But by allowing it to up on Millionaires, the GOP can call Obama’s bluff and the ball is in his court in the Fiscal Cliff. They can rightly say Obama is defending the rich and turn the tables. he really was nervous about this. But the Purists have handed Obama a huge win.

    Sorry Rodan but that is pure propaganda bs. Winning a propaganda victory while surrendering the sovereignty of the country and destroying it’s economy is no victory at all.


  12. RIX
    12 | December 21, 2012 12:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The caucus should have given Boehner the votes & put the ball in
    Obamas court.


  13. taxfreekiller
    13 | December 21, 2012 12:07 pm

    Only way to win is to stay in the fight.

    ” I told you so is not such a constructive solution”

    Move to an area where you are able to be part of the solution.

    Texas needs more voters.

    Soon we will be able to cancell out the Calif. commies in the House.


  14. Tanker
    14 | December 21, 2012 12:08 pm

    @ RIX:
    You do know Obama has been really good turning things to his advantage when given a ball, right!


  15. 15 | December 21, 2012 12:10 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    There are “members” of the gun community like that -- we call them “Fudds.” Anything that doesn’t impact their little niche is just fine and dandy with them. Principles don’t enter in to it.


  16. 16 | December 21, 2012 12:10 pm

    It’s the End of the World.


  17. taxfreekiller
    17 | December 21, 2012 12:10 pm

    Vote with your feet.

    Vote with your $ no matter the amount.

    Stand our ground.

    90 years of deals with commies got U.S. this $20 Trillion of debt.


  18. ferb123
    18 | December 21, 2012 12:10 pm

    “The Party is torn between an incompetent Establishment and a Conservative Purity Inquisition. Rational Conservatives and Libertarians are ridiculed and silenced.”

    I absolutly agree with this :mrgreen:


  19. 19 | December 21, 2012 12:12 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    I absolutly agree with this :mrgreen:

    Yes, but you are an imbecile who would agree with a shit sandwich.


  20. eaglesoars
    20 | December 21, 2012 12:14 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Winning a propaganda victory while surrendering the sovereignty of the country and destroying it’s economy is no victory at all.

    Well said.


  21. 21 | December 21, 2012 12:15 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The fiscal cons stood their ground over the RINOs yet you call them Purists. Please explain and list who would standup to your purity test!

    Why should fiscons want to keep taxes low for Jay Z, Bruce Sprinsteen, Ben Afleck and Eva Longoria. Obama won 8 out of the 10 richest districts voted for Obama. Let them have their tax increases. Small Business and the Midle Class would not be effected by this. Obama would not sign off on this anyway. It would have made him defender of the rich and the GOP standing up for small businesses and the Middle Class.

    Now Obama is laughing and has got a huge win.


  22. taxfreekiller
    22 | December 21, 2012 12:15 pm

    ferb 3,2,1, zero

    Is it a good thing that the commie Chicago Democrat Party Machine has made Chicago the first free of charge human target gun range????


  23. 23 | December 21, 2012 12:16 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Sorry Rodan but that is pure propaganda bs. Winning a propaganda victory while surrendering the sovereignty of the country and destroying it’s economy is no victory at all.

    That’s what the Purists are doing. They are helping Obama by “standing their ground”. How would raising taxes on Jay Z and Bruce Sprisngsteen destroy America’s sovereignty?


  24. 24 | December 21, 2012 12:17 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    It’s the End of the World.

    Planning to go out with a bang?

    :lol:

    It’s the end of the world and I feel fine!

    :lol:


  25. eaglesoars
    25 | December 21, 2012 12:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Why should fiscons want to keep taxes low for Jay Z, Bruce Sprinsteen, Ben Afleck and Eva Longoria

    You forget -- EVERYBODY’S taxes are going up anyway Jan 1


  26. taxfreekiller
    26 | December 21, 2012 12:18 pm

    Rodan,

    You as a “Purists Of One” should think of the old rock throwing from a glass house thingey.


  27. 27 | December 21, 2012 12:18 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Why should fiscons want to keep taxes low for Jay Z, Bruce Sprinsteen, Ben Afleck and Eva Longoria.

    Because principled fiscal conservatives want to keep taxes low for everybody? Period?


  28. RIX
    28 | December 21, 2012 12:18 pm

    @ Tanker:
    Yeah, I agree that Obama is great at turning things in his favor.
    It is not that he is so skillful, it’s that he owns the Media.
    I just would have like to see he & his party turn down what was actually
    the Pelosi plan.
    I understand the message of the election, I get it.


  29. lobo91
    29 | December 21, 2012 12:19 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    There are “members” of the gun community like that — we call them “Fudds.” Anything that doesn’t impact their little niche is just fine and dandy with them. Principles don’t enter in to it.

    Absolutely. It’s usually “assault weapons” they don’t care about.


  30. 30 | December 21, 2012 12:19 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    And the GOP is on record as supporting tax raises for everyone making above $1 mil (and if you’re a small business owner, that’s not necessarily a lot of money)

    This inoculates the GOP from the Party of the Rich charge. Obama was really nervous about Plan B, now he’s popping chmapagne and probably doing some blow too.


  31. Tanker
    31 | December 21, 2012 12:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    The fiscal cons stood their ground over the RINOs yet you call them Purists. Please explain and list who would standup to your purity test!

    Why should fiscons want to keep taxes low for Jay Z, Bruce Sprinsteen, Ben Afleck and Eva Longoria. Obama won 8 out of the 10 richest districts voted for Obama. Let them have their tax increases. Small Business and the Midle Class would not be effected by this. Obama would not sign off on this anyway. It would have made him defender of the rich and the GOP standing up for small businesses and the Middle Class.
    Now Obama is laughing and has got a huge win.

    May have something to do with upholding their oath of office!

    Using laws and congress to punish those we don’t like is well….being a damn Democrat!


  32. ferb123
    32 | December 21, 2012 12:21 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    ferb 3,2,1, zero
    Is it a good thing that the commie Chicago Democrat Party Machine has made Chicago the first free of charge human target gun range????

    dear taxfreekiller,
    can you give me more details about this?


  33. RIX
    33 | December 21, 2012 12:21 pm

    @ Rodan:
    The Republicans should have kept referring to it as the “Pelosi Plan.”
    Have some fun with it.


  34. 34 | December 21, 2012 12:22 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Because principled fiscal conservatives want to keep taxes low for everybody? Period?

    Why should Republicans die on a hill for Hollywood, The Hamptons, The Upper West Side, Hyde Park and Miami Beach? Those people vote Democratic. They want high taxes, give it to them.


  35. taxfreekiller
    35 | December 21, 2012 12:23 pm

    The only clear message of this past election is that RINO’s at the top of the Republican Party do not and will not get out the base to vote.

    This has been the same every time.

    The Republican leadership push the conservative base away and thus wave the Democrats into the lead.

    If you understand that it is in fact a Two Party Evil Money Cult, it makes sense for them to do as they do.


  36. 36 | December 21, 2012 12:23 pm

    @ Tanker:

    Using laws and congress to punish those we don’t like is well….being a damn Democrat!

    It works for them, doesn’t it?


  37. 37 | December 21, 2012 12:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Sorry Rodan but that is pure propaganda bs. Winning a propaganda victory while surrendering the sovereignty of the country and destroying it’s economy is no victory at all.
    That’s what the Purists are doing. They are helping Obama by “standing their ground”. How would raising taxes on Jay Z and Bruce Sprisngsteen destroy America’s sovereignty?

    Because it isn’t raising taxes on Jay Z. It’s raising taxes on small businesses. Don’t you get it? a million dollars a year on a small company isn’t a high hurdle. Small businesses are any company with under 50 employees. Any company with as few as 10 employees is in the million dollar a year category.

    The loss of America’s sovereignty follows the destruction of it’s economy, do you not understand that once your economy is so fragile and collapsed that other nation have the leverage to dictate your internal policies (think Greece) that you are no longer a sovereign nation?


  38. 38 | December 21, 2012 12:24 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    taxfreekiller wrote:
    ferb 3,2,1, zero
    Is it a good thing that the commie Chicago Democrat Party Machine has made Chicago the first free of charge human target gun range????

    dear taxfreekiller,
    can you give me more details about this?

    GO to Chicago, you will get all the information you will ever need on the subject.


  39. heysoos
    39 | December 21, 2012 12:25 pm

    such bullshit…the problem isn’t even taxes….the problem is the immense bloat of operating the government and the fact that too few people are working…no one seems interested in taking on that mess…get folks back to work


  40. eaglesoars
    40 | December 21, 2012 12:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama was really nervous about Plan B,

    Ok I’m missing something. What makes you think that?


  41. taxfreekiller
    41 | December 21, 2012 12:26 pm

    The very high Gun shot deaths in Chicago.

    It is not beer bottles on the ground out at the city dumb that are ending up full of holes.

    Mostley young gang members over drug turf wars.

    @ ferb123:


  42. 42 | December 21, 2012 12:26 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    What % of those making over 1 Million are small businesses?


  43. Tanker
    43 | December 21, 2012 12:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    Using laws and congress to punish those we don’t like is well….being a damn Democrat!
    It works for them, doesn’t it?

    Then join them, I am who I am because I refuse to become them. To each his own!


  44. 44 | December 21, 2012 12:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    What % of those making over 1 Million are small businesses?

    Probably somewhere around 90%


  45. 45 | December 21, 2012 12:28 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The press conference he had. he was testy and stuttering. Obama also moved away from the 250,000 and was saying 400,000. Boehner called his bluff. Harry Reid said it was DOA. This would have ended up on the Dems.


  46. RIX
    46 | December 21, 2012 12:28 pm

    In my mind their is an 800 pound gorilla in the room that the Media
    just ignores.
    The target is the Middle Class, that’s where the cash is.
    Increased taxes on Warren Buffet isn’t going to cut it.
    This is just the Class Warfare crap, the real victim will be the Middle
    Class.


  47. eaglesoars
    47 | December 21, 2012 12:28 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the problem is the immense bloat of operating the government

    entitlements/social programs

    The fact that none of this was even addressed tells me one thing -- this is about the mid-terms


  48. taxfreekiller
    48 | December 21, 2012 12:29 pm

    Rodan,

    Give it a moment of thinking..

    Suppose the movie mogals were all Republicans, it is possible ya know.

    Then what?


  49. heysoos
    49 | December 21, 2012 12:29 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    it always is….re-election trumps governing


  50. 50 | December 21, 2012 12:30 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    That’s not what I have read.

    The Rich are not a hill to die on. The GOP just screwed itself for the next decade. The Dems will win back the House in 2014 and the GOP will be slaughtered in 2016. This was not the hill to make a stand.

    Guns are the hill to make a stand, not Jay Z.


  51. lobo91
    51 | December 21, 2012 12:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    The press conference he had. he was testy and stuttering. Obama also moved away from the 250,000 and was saying 400,000. Boehner called his bluff. Harry Reid said it was DOA. This would have ended up on the Dems.

    Bullshit.

    Whatever happens is going to be blamed on Republicans. Facts have nothing to do with it.


  52. ferb123
    52 | December 21, 2012 12:30 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    The very high Gun shot deaths in Chicago.
    It is not beer bottles on the ground out at the city dumb that are ending up full of holes.
    Mostley young gang members over drug turf wars.
    @ ferb123:

    how this is connected to the democrats?


  53. eaglesoars
    53 | December 21, 2012 12:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    The press conference he had. he was testy and stuttering. Obama also moved away from the 250,000 and was saying 400,000. Boehner called his bluff. Harry Reid said it was DOA. This would have ended up on the Dems.

    I avoid watching Obama so I didn’t see it -- but I know he stutters w/the teleprompter.


  54. 54 | December 21, 2012 12:31 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Rodan,
    Give it a moment of thinking..
    Suppose the movie mogals were all Republicans, it is possible ya know.
    Then what?

    Then I would oppose raising taxes on people making over 1 million. I am being honest here. I want political payback for their support of Obama and I want to pain the Dems as the party of the elite.


  55. 55 | December 21, 2012 12:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    This would have ended up on the Dems.

    I have four words to refute that ridiculous assertion, read them carefully. “Fifth Column Treasonous Media“. They turned a serial lying Marxist douchebag into a Demi-god, and an honest highly skilled ethical businessman into an evil woman killer.

    NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is going to end up on the Democrats. If “Fast and Furious” and Benghazi didn’t teach you that, then you haven’t been paying attention.


  56. eaglesoars
    56 | December 21, 2012 12:33 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    but I know he stutters w/out the teleprompter.


  57. 57 | December 21, 2012 12:33 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Well be happy, your view won out and and mine lost.


  58. 58 | December 21, 2012 12:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Because principled fiscal conservatives want to keep taxes low for everybody? Period?
    Why should Republicans die on a hill for Hollywood, The Hamptons, The Upper West Side, Hyde Park and Miami Beach? Those people vote Democratic. They want high taxes, give it to them.

    If you’re not already in the biz, you missed your calling. You should be in advertising. JUst not for any clients that want positive results.

    Look, taxes ARE going up. For everybody that pays taxes. That’s a fact. And Republicans are going to be blamed for it, passively or actively. That’s another fact. There’s a (very) slight chance to argue against the passive position; there is no chance to argue against the active position. None. Another fact. YOu’re a big fan of GHWB… Remember what that did to him?


  59. 59 | December 21, 2012 12:35 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Then the GOP should just dissolve. Those that like losing start their party. Those that want to win start their party. Problem solve.

    Although I do like the Stout Hemp Rope Party! :evil:


  60. eaglesoars
    60 | December 21, 2012 12:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I want political payback for their support of Obama and I want to pain the Dems as the party of the elite.

    They’ll get that w/the coming economic collapse. Your idea just cuts off your nose to spite your face.


  61. taxfreekiller
    61 | December 21, 2012 12:35 pm

    Payback comes with being in the fight.

    Lots of ways to fight these commies other than from inside the R party.

    The CO2 fraud is one.

    Gun Rights.

    Voter fraud.

    Conservative media.

    Write a book that will sell and teach such as those by Mark Levin.


  62. Da_Beerfreak
    62 | December 21, 2012 12:38 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    such bullshit…the problem isn’t even taxes….the problem is the immense bloat of operating the government and the fact that too few people are working…no one seems interested in taking on that mess…get folks back to work

    What the Country really needs is more Taxpayers paying less in taxes, not fewer Taxpayers paying more in taxes.


  63. 63 | December 21, 2012 12:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    That’s not what I have read.
    The Rich are not a hill to die on. The GOP just screwed itself for the next decade. The Dems will win back the House in 2014 and the GOP will be slaughtered in 2016. This was not the hill to make a stand.
    Guns are the hill to make a stand, not Jay Z.

    Then you have either read wrong or misunderstood what you have read. Small businesses make up 90 percent of America’s economy. They employ the vast majority of all Americans. Plan B was an outright attack not on Jay Z and his ilk, but upon middle class Americans, who the vast majority of, do not work for large corporations and are not the Hollyweird elite.


  64. 64 | December 21, 2012 12:38 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Look, be happy. You purists have won. You should be celebrating. Have a beer on me! It’s a glorious day for you.

    It’s a huge win, you sent a message!


  65. 65 | December 21, 2012 12:38 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Whatever happens is going to be blamed on Republicans. Facts have nothing to do with it.

    That is exactly correct. Obama has the primary medium that most people get their information from in his back pocket. It really doesn’t matter what we do in that respect. Boehner has already signalled that he’d give Obama everything he wants, and Obama promptly said that wasn’t good enough. There ar ea lot of voters pissed off about that kind of behavior, but we are the low-information voters that the Democrats count on.


  66. taxfreekiller
    66 | December 21, 2012 12:39 pm

    One Party Rule in Chicago for years.

    “Gun Free Kill Zone” created by stupid ass laws on guns by Chicago Machie Democrats.@ ferb123:


  67. 67 | December 21, 2012 12:40 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Middle Class Americans do not make 1 million dollars, Jay z and his ilk do.

    Look, you won this round. Enjoy your victory. Have some beer and celebrate. I congratulate you guys on your win. I am a gracious loser!


  68. Tanker
    68 | December 21, 2012 12:40 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    This would have ended up on the Dems.
    I have four words to refute that ridiculous assertion, read them carefully. “Fifth Column Treasonous Media“. They turned a serial lying Marxist douchebag into a Demi-god, and an honest highly skilled ethical businessman into an evil woman killer.
    NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is going to end up on the Democrats. If “Fast and Furious” and Benghazi didn’t teach you that, then you haven’t been paying attention.

    Bingo! Things need to get really bad for all to get any change. Even then, I’m not sure this will bring a positive change!


  69. 69 | December 21, 2012 12:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Then the GOP should just dissolve. Those that like losing start their party. Those that want to win start their party. Problem solve.
    Although I do like the Stout Hemp Rope Party!

    Me to, I have already come up with a motto and a creed for the Stout Hemp Rope Party.

    Our Motto: Why yes, there is enough Stout Hemp Rope in America to fix all of our problems.

    Our Creed: A Fifth Column Treasonous Media Propagandist hanging from every Streetlamp.


  70. eaglesoars
    70 | December 21, 2012 12:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Middle Class Americans do not make 1 million dollars, Jay z and his ilk do.

    Is there a reading comprehension problem here? SMALL BUSINESSES. It doesn’t mean the owner(s) take home $1 mil


  71. taxfreekiller
    71 | December 21, 2012 12:44 pm

    Middle Class farmers and ranchers do “Gross” a million or two or 10

    but after operation cost and taxes not so much.

    Same with the movie mogals, they gross millions but there to ,,
    cost of doing bussiness and taxes, the left’s leftovers, not so much.


  72. 72 | December 21, 2012 12:45 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The symbol should be the Tree of Liberty with the Stout Hemp Rope!


  73. taxfreekiller
    73 | December 21, 2012 12:45 pm

    “Selective Class Warfare”


  74. 74 | December 21, 2012 12:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Middle Class Americans do not make 1 million dollars, Jay z and his ilk do.
    Look, you won this round. Enjoy your victory. Have some beer and celebrate. I congratulate you guys on your win. I am a gracious loser!

    You just aren’t getting it. A small business proprietor with between 5 and 10 employees has a total gross income in the million dollar range. His personal net at the end of the year is probably only around $250,000.00 but the companies Gross has to be around a million to just survive. Expenses and overhead, which include the salaries of all of his employees consume that other $750,000.00.

    Plan B would have taxed the business owner not on his personal net, but on the total Gross of his business.


  75. 75 | December 21, 2012 12:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    The symbol should be the Tree of Liberty with the Stout Hemp Rope!

    Got it right here.


  76. Tanker
    76 | December 21, 2012 12:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Look, be happy. You purists have won. You should be celebrating. Have a beer on me! It’s a glorious day for you.
    It’s a huge win, you sent a message!

    You like to throw the purist meme around, but I’d still like to know who would meet you purity test!

    I understand your points (though on this we disagree) and want for blood in the political sense, but really how does it really help us? Even if the vote had been taken and gone your way, what would have been the outcome? The media would have shielded any blame from Obama!


  77. 77 | December 21, 2012 12:47 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Exactly. Successful small businesses are the target of these tax hikes. Like I said to Ferb this morning, that’ll produce job cuts. That’s a plan. The Republicans would be better served trying to get that message out, but either they are incapable of articulating that or they are being frozen out by the MFM. Could be both of those.


  78. eaglesoars
    78 | December 21, 2012 12:47 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Middle Class farmers and ranchers do “Gross” a million or two or 10
    but after operation cost and taxes not so much.

    And with the reinstatement of the estate taxes on family farms…….

    Agenda 21. In spades.


  79. 79 | December 21, 2012 12:48 pm

    Have to go collect some monsters be back in a bit… :twisted:


  80. 80 | December 21, 2012 12:50 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    If a business owner is not taking home 1 million, then how will a new rate effect them? How many of them are actually Republican? 8 out of the 10 richest counties voted for Obama. Look your view prevailed and won out. Enjoy the victory.


  81. 81 | December 21, 2012 12:52 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    As I have been saying for months now, going over the Fiscal Cliff was always Obama’s agenda. It has been since Boehner gifted him with this magnificiant proposal. He gets everything he wants, and he can blame all the bad effects on the Republicans. Why wouldn’t he want to do it? We shouldn’t have raised the Debt Ceiling without significant real cuts in return. Obama is going to overspend $1.6 trillion this year, all of it without a budget. Under Boehner’s leadership the power of the purse has proven totally empty.


  82. eaglesoars
    82 | December 21, 2012 12:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    If a business owner is not taking home 1 million, then how will a new rate effect them?

    Because the BUSINESS taxes will go up. Which will mean less money for payroll, inventory, expansion etc.

    sheesh. Is my face blue? Sure feels like it.


  83. 83 | December 21, 2012 12:53 pm

    @ Tanker:

    but really how does it really help us?

    We could have position ourselves as defending the middle clas against the interest of Hollywood and Silicon Valley.

    The media would have shielded any blame from Obama!

    That is the 800 lb. Gorilla in the room, that needs to be addressed. But at least the GOP could have been on record against tax increases for most Americans. It was a symbolic vote they could have at least pointed to.


  84. eaglesoars
    84 | December 21, 2012 12:54 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    As I have been saying for months now, going over the Fiscal Cliff was always Obama’s agenda. It has been since Boehner gifted him with this magnificiant proposal

    The GOP should have offered a bill of tax CUTS


  85. 85 | December 21, 2012 12:54 pm

    @ Rodan:

    They charge small businesses income tax as individuals on their gross income. Not th ebusiness owner, but the business itself. Then the owner pays personal income tax on whatever he gets out of the deal, so he is really being double taxed to start with. Small business has always been the target. Obama wants unemployment to go up.


  86. 86 | December 21, 2012 12:55 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    And with the reinstatement of the estate taxes on family farms……

    That was exempted in Plan B. The Estate Tax and the AMT was eliminated.


  87. 87 | December 21, 2012 12:56 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah, at least go down fighting the enemy. Boehner wants to give Obama everything. What is the point in being the opposition party if you don’t oppose?


  88. 88 | December 21, 2012 12:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Then an exemption should be made for them. But I do want tax hikes on Hollywood, Silicon valley and Wall Street. They are funding the Progressives. We need to target them.


  89. eaglesoars
    89 | December 21, 2012 1:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Boehner wants to give Obama everything.

    Somewhere this morning I read that Boehner was playing poker when he needed to be playing chess.


  90. 90 | December 21, 2012 1:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Look, be happy. You purists have won. You should be celebrating. Have a beer on me! It’s a glorious day for you.
    It’s a huge win, you sent a message!

    You don’t seem to understand. It’s not about sending a message. It’s about doing what’s right. It’s about keeping your word. It’s about whether you actually believe in that document penned up by those old dead white guys or not. Or, if you prefer, it’s about being able to look yourself in the mirror in the morning without cringing.

    Back in my day, such things were considered important.

    “Oh, what a brave new world, that has such people in it!”


  91. eaglesoars
    91 | December 21, 2012 1:02 pm

    Just heard a report that Colorado is going to try to ban ‘assault’ weapons.

    *sigh*


  92. 92 | December 21, 2012 1:06 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Just heard a report that Colorado is going to try to ban ‘assault’ weapons.
    *sigh*

    See now, that is a political hill I am all for dying on. Guns are the only thing standing between us and a totalitarian.


  93. Da_Beerfreak
    93 | December 21, 2012 1:07 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Just heard a report that Colorado is going to try to ban ‘assault’ weapons.

    *sigh*

    Stupid Lawmakers only know how to do one thing; make stupid laws. :evil:


  94. ferb123
    94 | December 21, 2012 1:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Exactly. Successful small businesses are the target of these tax hikes. Like I said to Ferb this morning, that’ll produce job cuts. That’s a plan. The Republicans would be better served trying to get that message out, but either they are incapable of articulating that or they are being frozen out by the MFM. Could be both of those.

    I think its not so clear how many jobs the rich tax hike would cost.
    see

    Its somehow depends on what Obama plans to do with the revenue.
    (If he the 1 trillion to subsidize firms like Solyndra, it maybe creates jobs XDDDDD )


  95. Tanker
    95 | December 21, 2012 1:08 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Just heard a report that Colorado is going to try to ban ‘assault’ weapons.
    *sigh*

    What does that mean. Any weapon is a assault weapon if used to assault someone. Would like to see what they will call an assault weapon!

    lobo, time bring your legislative experience into play here!


  96. eaglesoars
    96 | December 21, 2012 1:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Guns are the only thing standing between us and a totalitarian.

    Yeah, but I think we’re way to close to totalitarianism anyway.

    Jon Hammer’s mother confirms he’s being released today


  97. 97 | December 21, 2012 1:09 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That Obama entire point, though. An exemption won’t be made. Obama wants to make an example out of small businesses. Small Business Owners mostly oppose the Democrats and especially the Unions. Unions hate small businesses. Obama wants to put them out of business. Besides, Harry Reid has already said that anything that Boehner crafts is DOA in the Senate. Why do you think Boehner doesn’t have enough Democrat votes to pass Plan B? The Democrats have already rejected this so-called compromise. But it isn’t really a compromise. When you compromise both sides get something, and we didn’t really get anything out of Plan B.


  98. 98 | December 21, 2012 1:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Then an exemption should be made for them. But I do want tax hikes on Hollywood, Silicon valley and Wall Street. They are funding the Progressives. We need to target them.

    You know, this is the stupidest part of this entire argument. You want to enshrine punitive taxes against your enemies. Which have no chance of passing, but you do want to enshrine the principle. Which will then be promptly tuned on you, and you’ll have no legal or ethical basis to object.


  99. 99 | December 21, 2012 1:09 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    It’s about whether you actually believe in that document penned up by those old dead white guys or not.

    The Constitution has nothing to do with this. This is about politics and gaining the upper hand on Democrats and painting them as the party of the elite.

    Look you won, be happy and have a beer on me! :-)


  100. 100 | December 21, 2012 1:10 pm

    @ ferb123:

    Solyndra was a cash cow for the true rich. And, naturally, you support that theft from the public coffers.


  101. eaglesoars
    101 | December 21, 2012 1:11 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Would like to see what they will call an assault weapon!

    My guess is they’ll go after magazines.


  102. heysoos
    102 | December 21, 2012 1:11 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    Just heard a report that Colorado is going to try to ban ‘assault’ weapons.
    *sigh*

    Stupid Lawmakers only know how to do one thing; make stupid laws.

    it’s okay with liberals to have armed guards at the airport looting grannys shampoo…it’s okay to have armed guards standing around a bank to protect the vault…it’s okay for liberals to arm themselves…but they freak out when we want armed guards to protect our children and call us crazy savages…liberals are dangerous lunatics


  103. 103 | December 21, 2012 1:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    painting them as the party of the elite

    The Media will never let you do that. that simply isn’t happening as long as the MFM controls the narrative. Truth has nothing to remotely do with what the low-information voters believe.


  104. 104 | December 21, 2012 1:12 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    You know, this is the stupidest part of this entire argument. You want to enshrine punitive taxes against your enemies. Which have no chance of passing, but you do want to enshrine the principle. Which will then be promptly tuned on you, and you’ll have no legal or ethical basis to object.

    You know what is stupid, the purity of defeat. Hollywood, Silicon Valley and Wall Street receive tax breaks. Eliminate them and hurt the Dems in their pocket. They want higher taxes, give it to them. You are right, it would go nowhere because the Republicans don’t believe in winning nor going for the jugular.


  105. 105 | December 21, 2012 1:13 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Because you can’t reaload when no one has a gun to shoot at you anyway? Ten round magazines just means you have to change magazines three times as often. That can be a big difference if you are fighting off a crowd of home-invasion thugs, but it really doesn’t matter when you are killing kindergarteners and their unarmed teachers.


  106. ferb123
    106 | December 21, 2012 1:13 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    Solyndra was a cash cow for the true rich. And, naturally, you support that theft from the public coffers.

    actually I do not support this (Solyndra thing). XDDDDDD
    but you cannot deny that it has creates some jobs for a while ;)


  107. texasam7
    107 | December 21, 2012 1:14 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Canada during the 90s was a lot like this--an all powerful Liberal majority, a fractured Conservative opposition, and a compliant Liberal media machine.


  108. 108 | December 21, 2012 1:15 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    No it was just about going on record and calling the Dems bluff. That’s all it was about. Instead now Obama has a big win and the GOP shot itself in the foot.

    on a more important subject, did yous see what Eaglesoars wrote? Colorado is looking to ban “assault” weapons.


  109. eaglesoars
    109 | December 21, 2012 1:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    liberals are dangerous lunatics

    No. They’re not.

    It’s about learned helplessness, an absence of self reliance and a monopoly on force.


  110. 110 | December 21, 2012 1:15 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Because you can’t reaload when no one has a gun to shoot at you anyway? Ten round magazines just means you have to change magazines three times as often. That can be a big difference if you are fighting off a crowd of home-invasion thugs, but it really doesn’t matter when you are killing kindergarteners and their unarmed teachers.

    It’s suicide having just a 10 round mag.


  111. Tanker
    111 | December 21, 2012 1:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    It’s about whether you actually believe in that document penned up by those old dead white guys or not.
    The Constitution has nothing to do with this. This is about politics and gaining the upper hand on Democrats and painting them as the party of the elite.
    Look you won, be happy and have a beer on me!

    For me it has everything to do this. We defend it or scrap it! I choose to defend! And really if you had to make a direct choice, I believe you would also!


  112. 112 | December 21, 2012 1:17 pm

    @ ferb123:

    Fewer jobs than the money would have created if it was left in the private sector, because in th eprivate sector there would have been the motivation to create lasting jobs. All Solyndra was was a rip-off from the get go. The same s true of all the Green Fairy jobs that Obama wanted to “create”. They were all about securing as much money as they could from the public coffers and then going bankrupt leaving the taxpayers to foot the bill. Peole should be going ot jail ofver i, because it was fraud. But don’t look for Obama’s JustUs system to prosecute it any more than they’re going to prosecute the people who did Fast and Furious.


  113. RIX
    113 | December 21, 2012 1:18 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    taxfreekiller wrote:
    The very high Gun shot deaths in Chicago.
    It is not beer bottles on the ground out at the city dumb that are ending up full of holes.
    Mostley young gang members over drug turf wars.
    @ ferb123:

    how this is connected to the democrats?

    </blockquote

    Allow me. I was born i & spent most of my life in the
    Chicago Area.
    All of that time the City & County have been under Dem Control.
    The most restrictive gun laws in the country disarmed citizens
    & let the street gangs run wild.
    Chicagos Police Commissioner Gary McCarthy actually blamed
    street crime on the Tea Party!
    Bobby Rush a Chicago Congressman is the past Information
    Minister for the Black Panther Party, nothing but a criminal
    Drug gang.
    It goes on & on.


  114. 114 | December 21, 2012 1:19 pm

    From rayra at GCP…

    http://www.guns.com/2012/12/20/brownells-sells-3-5-years-worth-of-magazines-in-36-hours/

    brownells:
    “To shed some more light on the magazine situation at present, it really has been unprecedented in the last 5 days. During a roughly the 36 hour period from Sunday afternoon to Monday evening we sold the ‘average demand’ equivalent of about 3.5 years worth of PMAGS, and and an even greater amount of our Brownells magazines. We’re working like crazy to get these orders to you as quickly as possible.”

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1406562_Unreal_Sales_of_firearms_and_firearm_related_products_.html

    Holy shit…


  115. 115 | December 21, 2012 1:19 pm

    @ Tanker:

    And really if you had to make a direct choice, I believe you would also!

    Absolutely. That is why Guns is where I think the GOP really needs to make a big stand. The Democrats are exploiting the death of young kids for political gain. Notice they are silent on the daily killings of Black Ghetto Kids?


  116. 116 | December 21, 2012 1:20 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I saw that. Glad I don’t live in Colorado. It’ll be interesting to see if it actually passes. Sooner or later the Supreme Court is going to have to weigh in on whether the State has the authority to ban scary looking weapons because it’ll make liberals feel better. I don’t think you can prove that such weapons are any graver threat to public safety than anything else. IIRC< the biggest mass killing in United States history involved gasoline and matches, not a gun. A guy burned down a nightclub in NYC and killed about 100 people.


  117. 117 | December 21, 2012 1:20 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    I am buying ammo as well. I am planning on making a weapons purchase as well. I am pissed off that the Left is suing the shooting to go after guns.


  118. 118 | December 21, 2012 1:20 pm

    Rodan, it’s not the silly rate of taxation argument with plan B that I found so objectionable. It was plan B’s complete capitulation on spending. It allowed for a massive increase this year, above our already insane spending, and then asked for, “future cuts,” down the road a few years in order to claim the virtue of cutting our overall 10 year deficit, not in actuality, but according to the baseline.

    That’s why Plan B lost. It deserved to lose. Eventually, we as a group need to advocate for something because it is the right thing to do, and not because it gives us an advantage politically. That’s what’s wrong with the GOP, and that’s why they lose national elections.


  119. 119 | December 21, 2012 1:21 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Perople aren’t buying this stuff to turn it over when the god-king and his priests decree that they should. This has the potential to get very serious.


  120. RIX
    120 | December 21, 2012 1:22 pm

    Iron Fist

    wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    Solyndra was a cash cow for the true rich. And, naturally, you support that theft from the public coffers.

    Solyndra looks like a money laundering scheme.
    An audit of the books during due diligence would reveal
    that they were selling units under production cost & could
    not survive.
    Kickbacks anyone? Chicago on the Potomac.


  121. eaglesoars
    121 | December 21, 2012 1:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Notice they are silent on the daily killings of Black Ghetto Kids?

    As noted by RIX above, in places like chicago w/one of the most restrive gun laws in the country.

    If the Bad Guys obeyed the law they wouldn’t be the Bad Guys.

    This is not complicated


  122. 122 | December 21, 2012 1:22 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Glad I don’t live in Colorado

    Lobo does and maybe he can inform us if this really can pass. The Republcians control the legislature, so hopefully this will not pass.

    Sooner or later the Supreme Court is going to have to weigh in on whether the State has the authority to ban scary looking weapons because it’ll make liberals feel better.

    This needs to be decided. One thing I do notice, they keep hyping the AR-15. There are other weapons that are more powerful than this. But it looks scary so it must be banned!


  123. taxfreekiller
    123 | December 21, 2012 1:24 pm

    ditto too also@ Flyovercountry:


  124. 124 | December 21, 2012 1:24 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The Progressives love only bad guys having guns. More bad guys means more police. More police means less freedoms and a bigger police state. More crime means more lawyers. Most lawyers are Leftists. Coincidence? I do not think so.


  125. eaglesoars
    125 | December 21, 2012 1:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    An audit of the books during due diligence would reveal
    that they were selling units under production cost & could
    not survive.

    It cost $6 per unit to manufacture but because China was underpricing them, they had to sell them for $3.

    Not a good business model.


  126. 126 | December 21, 2012 1:24 pm

    Just a foretaste of what is in store for America. Keep in mind that the French are at”only” 90% GDP debt level. We ae already over 100%, and that 100% doesn’t take into account the multi-trillion dollar unfunded liabilities we have through our over-generous entitlement programs.


  127. 127 | December 21, 2012 1:24 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Perople aren’t buying this stuff to turn it over when the god-king and his priests decree that they should. This has the potential to get very serious.

    Yup, expect to see local militias pop up.


  128. Tanker
    128 | December 21, 2012 1:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    And really if you had to make a direct choice, I believe you would also!
    Absolutely. That is why Guns is where I think the GOP really needs to make a big stand. The Democrats are exploiting the death of young kids for political gain. Notice they are silent on the daily killings of Black Ghetto Kids?

    We know they done care about the Black Ghetto (I hate Ghetto term) kids. Until the average person on the street and mainly those living there understand this, they will continue to die….shame!


  129. 129 | December 21, 2012 1:25 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Just a foretaste of what is in store for America. Keep in mind that the French are at”only” 90% GDP debt level. We ae already over 100%, and that 100% doesn’t take into account the multi-trillion dollar unfunded liabilities we have through our over-generous entitlement programs.

    The only thing saving us is money printing. That can’t continue forevere.


  130. eaglesoars
    130 | December 21, 2012 1:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Coincidence? I do not think so.

    Now THAT we can agree on.


  131. 131 | December 21, 2012 1:26 pm

    @ Tanker:

    The Democrats love the Ghetto. It’s the new plantation.


  132. RIX
    132 | December 21, 2012 1:26 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I

    t cost $6 per unit to manufacture but because China was underpricing them, they had to sell them for $3.

    Not a good business model.

    Not sustainable & everybody knew it.
    Yet Obama raided the treasury.
    This is profound corruption.


  133. RIX
    133 | December 21, 2012 1:27 pm

    Later, time to get some exercise.


  134. eaglesoars
    134 | December 21, 2012 1:29 pm

    I’ve got chores. Later.


  135. ferb123
    135 | December 21, 2012 1:30 pm

    RIX wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    taxfreekiller wrote:
    The very high Gun shot deaths in Chicago.
    It is not beer bottles on the ground out at the city dumb that are ending up full of holes.
    Mostley young gang members over drug turf wars.
    @ ferb123:
    how this is connected to the democrats?
    </blockquote
    Allow me. I was born i & spent most of my life in the
    Chicago Area.
    All of that time the City & County have been under Dem Control.
    The most restrictive gun laws in the country disarmed citizens
    & let the street gangs run wild.
    Chicagos Police Commissioner Gary McCarthy actually blamed
    street crime on the Tea Party!
    Bobby Rush a Chicago Congressman is the past Information
    Minister for the Black Panther Party, nothing but a criminal
    Drug gang.
    It goes on & on.

    but I suppose if you had loose gun laws in such a city whith all these drug gangs, thing would be even worse.


  136. 136 | December 21, 2012 1:30 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The Democrats support the Police-Legal-Jail Industrial Complex.


  137. heysoos
    137 | December 21, 2012 1:32 pm

    @ ferb123:
    wrong…stats prove exactly the opposite


  138. 138 | December 21, 2012 1:32 pm

    @ ferb123:

    but I suppose if you had loose gun laws in such a city whith all these drug gangs, thing would be even worse.

    Wrong. If law abiding citizens were armed, the drug gangs would not have their way.


  139. Speranza
    139 | December 21, 2012 1:32 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The real story is that this tax on the “wealthy” will not
    make a dent in the deficit.

    So what? The rich voted for Obama so let their taxes go up. Why fall on your sword for the benefit of folks that don’t vote for you and are unpopular?


  140. ferb123
    140 | December 21, 2012 1:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    but I suppose if you had loose gun laws in such a city whith all these drug gangs, thing would be even worse.
    Wrong. If law abiding citizens were armed, the drug gangs would not have their way.

    Wrong. Drug gangs would be armed with more powerful weapons.


  141. Tanker
    141 | December 21, 2012 1:35 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    ferb123 wrote:
    taxfreekiller wrote:
    The very high Gun shot deaths in Chicago.
    It is not beer bottles on the ground out at the city dumb that are ending up full of holes.
    Mostley young gang members over drug turf wars.
    @ ferb123:
    how this is connected to the democrats?
    </blockquote
    Allow me. I was born i & spent most of my life in the
    Chicago Area.
    All of that time the City & County have been under Dem Control.
    The most restrictive gun laws in the country disarmed citizens
    & let the street gangs run wild.
    Chicagos Police Commissioner Gary McCarthy actually blamed
    street crime on the Tea Party!
    Bobby Rush a Chicago Congressman is the past Information
    Minister for the Black Panther Party, nothing but a criminal
    Drug gang.
    It goes on & on.

    but I suppose if you had loose gun laws in such a city whith all these drug gangs, thing would be even worse.

    You are a fucking tool! Truth is, crooks don’t prey on an armed citizen. They go after those that can’t defend themselves!


  142. texasam7
    142 | December 21, 2012 1:36 pm

    @ ferb123:
    Why not try it and see? We know the current methods aren’t working.


  143. eaglesoars
    143 | December 21, 2012 1:38 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    but I suppose if you had loose gun laws in such a city whith all these drug gangs, thing would be even worse.

    WRONG!!

    I live in Virginia with some of the most liberal gun laws in the country. There are 72 houses in my immediate neighborhood. 58 of us are legally armed.

    We don’t have that problem. I’m not saying there are no gangs here (mostly MS 13 out of El Salvador). But street shootouts, etc? No way. Too many people here hear gunfire and we pull out our own weapons. Bad guys are out-gunned just in sheer numbers.


  144. 144 | December 21, 2012 1:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    There are other weapons that are more powerful than this.

    An AR 15 is on the low end of power out of a rifle. If they get them, they will be back for the .300 Wichester Magnum hunting rifles. It is only a matter of time.


  145. heysoos
    145 | December 21, 2012 1:40 pm

    @ ferb123:
    you are utterly devoid of any sense of logic or facts…you live in a fantasy of artificial ideology


  146. 146 | December 21, 2012 1:42 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Drug gangs would be armed with more powerful weapons.

    Idiot. The drug gangs already have machineguns. Illegal guns and illegal drugs follow the same pathways of distribution. All that the gun laws do is assure the thugs that their victims will be unarmed.


  147. texasam7
    147 | December 21, 2012 1:42 pm

    @ heysoos:
    It’s a pretty standard response for gun control advocates, though. They feel it’s true, and so it is.


  148. 148 | December 21, 2012 1:43 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    An audit of the books during due diligence would reveal
    that they were selling units under production cost & could
    not survive.
    It cost $6 per unit to manufacture but because China was underpricing them, they had to sell them for $3.
    Not a good business model.

    Not only was China underselling them at $3.00 per unit, but… China controls the worlds Rare Earth Metals markets, and the Chinese put Soylendra at the back of the line for receiving the Rare Earth Metals they needed to make their product. (Yes Iron Fist, you can take the obligatory swipe at California for that one) The Enviro-Nazi’s in California made that happen.

    Mountain Pass California used to be the largest producer of Rare Earth Metals on earth until the Enviro-Nazi’s shut them down over “Environmental” concerns.


  149. eaglesoars
    150 | December 21, 2012 1:46 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    China controls the worlds Rare Earth Metals markets,

    good point


  150. eaglesoars
    151 | December 21, 2012 1:47 pm

    ok NOW I’m gone


  151. ferb123
    152 | December 21, 2012 1:47 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    Drug gangs would be armed with more powerful weapons.
    Idiot. The drug gangs already have machineguns. Illegal guns and illegal drugs follow the same pathways of distribution. All that the gun laws do is assure the thugs that their victims will be unarmed.

    but not every drug dealer has a machine gun. This might be changed, if everybody have a machine gun under his coat…


  152. 153 | December 21, 2012 1:47 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    but I suppose if you had loose gun laws in such a city whith all these drug gangs, thing would be even worse.
    Wrong. If law abiding citizens were armed, the drug gangs would not have their way.

    Wrong. Drug gangs would be armed with more powerful weapons.

    You are a fucking imbecile. Drug gangs are not suicidal Muslim Jihadist, they are criminals who at the end of the day don’t want to end up dead. They do not attack people who can and will kill them, they go after those who cannot defend themselves and can be intimidated into surrendering what ever it is that the drug gangs want.


  153. 154 | December 21, 2012 1:49 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    ferb123 wrote:
    Drug gangs would be armed with more powerful weapons.
    Idiot. The drug gangs already have machineguns. Illegal guns and illegal drugs follow the same pathways of distribution. All that the gun laws do is assure the thugs that their victims will be unarmed.

    but not every drug dealer has a machine gun. This might be changed, if everybody have a machine gun under his coat…

    What part of drug gang members are not trying to get themselves killed is it that you are so utterly and completely incapable of understanding?


  154. 155 | December 21, 2012 1:53 pm

    @ ferb123:

    So it is better that some of the criminals be better armed than the civilians so that all of the criminals won’t be armed equally well to the civilians? Do you really believe that? The law abiding by nature obey the law. The criminals by nature break the law. You want to know how gun-free zones work? Look at Sandy Hook. That is your prescription for all citizens of the Unied States. I think you’ll find that most of our citizens aren’t content to be sheep in a pen, waiting for the slaughter.


  155. 156 | December 21, 2012 1:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    So it is better that some of the criminals be better armed than the civilians so that all of the criminals won’t be armed equally well to the civilians? Do you really believe that? The law abiding by nature obey the law. The criminals by nature break the law. You want to know how gun-free zones work? Look at Sandy Hook. That is your prescription for all citizens of the Unied States. I think you’ll find that most of our citizens aren’t content to be sheep in a pen, waiting for the slaughter.

    Ferbthe imbecile ought to ask his German Jewish neighbors how well that philosophy worked out for them… Oh… wait that right he can’t because his fellow Germans killed them all just as soon as they took all of their weapons legally.


  156. 157 | December 21, 2012 1:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I do like the idea of have a machine gun under my coat, though. Okay, a machine pistol. Glock 18, maybe. Or one of the compact Uzis, if we could get them to re-open a production line.


  157. ferb123
    158 | December 21, 2012 2:00 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    but I suppose if you had loose gun laws in such a city whith all these drug gangs, thing would be even worse.
    Wrong. If law abiding citizens were armed, the drug gangs would not have their way.
    Wrong. Drug gangs would be armed with more powerful weapons.

    You are a fucking imbecile. Drug gangs are not suicidal Muslim Jihadist, they are criminals who at the end of the day don’t want to end up dead. They do not attack people who can and will kill them, they go after those who cannot defend themselves and can be intimidated into surrendering what ever it is that the drug gangs want.

    LOL
    Drug gang mainly attack other drug gangs, which are also armed.
    Why arming everybody should help?


  158. 159 | December 21, 2012 2:02 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    As far as Class III weapons go, I am more partial to short-barrelled rifles and suppressors than I am machineguns. A machinegun is fun, bu tyou can accomplish as much or more with a semi-auto. Short-barreled rifles, OTOH, are just about perfect CQB weapons, so they would be great for home defense. A suppressor keeps you from damaging your hearing if you have to shoot indoors. A suppressor isn’t really a weapon, anyway. That they are restricted just goes to show how rabid the gun controllers have been for over half a century.


  159. 160 | December 21, 2012 2:05 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    ferb123 wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    but I suppose if you had loose gun laws in such a city whith all these drug gangs, thing would be even worse.
    Wrong. If law abiding citizens were armed, the drug gangs would not have their way.
    Wrong. Drug gangs would be armed with more powerful weapons.
    You are a fucking imbecile. Drug gangs are not suicidal Muslim Jihadist, they are criminals who at the end of the day don’t want to end up dead. They do not attack people who can and will kill them, they go after those who cannot defend themselves and can be intimidated into surrendering what ever it is that the drug gangs want.

    LOL
    Drug gang mainly attack other drug gangs, which are also armed.
    Why arming everybody should help?

    You could ask your German Jewish neighbors that if you hadn’t killed them all after disarming them.


  160. lobo91
    161 | December 21, 2012 2:06 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Just heard a report that Colorado is going to try to ban ‘assault’ weapons.
    *sigh*

    What does that mean. Any weapon is a assault weapon if used to assault someone. Would like to see what they will call an assault weapon!

    lobo, time bring your legislative experience into play here!

    “Colorado” isn’t planning to ban anything. Some Democrats in the state legislature want to.

    Big difference.

    Won’t pass.


  161. lobo91
    162 | December 21, 2012 2:07 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Supressors aren’t all that regulated, really. They’re much easier to get than automatic weapons in most states. You just have to pay the fee.


  162. Tanker
    163 | December 21, 2012 2:07 pm

    @ ferb123:
    The kids on the corner or porch caught in the fire means nothing! Or the law abiding families having to live in those communities have no recourse as long as they are kept unarmed! Sitting ducks!

    Why do you hate black people? Did one take your love from you while serving in Germany?


  163. 164 | December 21, 2012 2:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t worry about suppressors much. The best argument that I’ve herd for them is that you don’t have to wear ear protection at the range. But that only works if any and everybody else at the range is using them as well. If the guy next to you is touching off his .220 Swift bench rifle (as an example), you’re gonna need that ear protection. And while a suppressor only requires a $ 5 AOW tax ticket, it still puts you on the BATFE list of true gun nuts. No thanks.


  164. 165 | December 21, 2012 2:09 pm

    New Thread and it’s hysterical!


  165. ferb123
    166 | December 21, 2012 2:09 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    So it is better that some of the criminals be better armed than the civilians so that all of the criminals won’t be armed equally well to the civilians? Do you really believe that? The law abiding by nature obey the law. The criminals by nature break the law. You want to know how gun-free zones work? Look at Sandy Hook. That is your prescription for all citizens of the Unied States. I think you’ll find that most of our citizens aren’t content to be sheep in a pen, waiting for the slaughter.

    My concern here is that guns are allowed at schools you might have more tragedies.
    Airplane are also gun free zones. Would you like to change this or are you thinking passengers carrying guns in airplane would prevent tragedies?


  166. lobo91
    167 | December 21, 2012 2:09 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Just like in DC, republicans control the state House and Democrats control the Senate in Colorado.


  167. lobo91
    168 | December 21, 2012 2:15 pm

    @ ferb123:

    My concern here is that guns are allowed at schools you might have more tragedies.

    Because the fact that there’s a sign prohibiting them now is working so well…
    //


  168. 169 | December 21, 2012 2:15 pm

    @ ferb123:

    Drug Gangs intimidate law abiding citizens. If the citizens could fight back, they would not do what they do.


  169. Mars
    170 | December 21, 2012 2:19 pm

    Who would have been affected by plan B.

    1. The small restaurants in town that are not part of a major chain.

    2. The only two grocery stores in my town that are not owned by a massive corporation.

    3. The small family farm, that the dems have been trying to destroy for the past 30+ years with the estate tax. The estate tax would no longer be necessary because the farms here in the conservative heart of the country would be no more.

    4. The successful startup company just looking at expansion.

    5. The independent trucking/shippings companies.

    6. The small local craft stores.

    7. Local book stores.

    8. Clothing stores. (non-chain).

    9 Food trucks.

    10. Local sports centers/racetracks/rodeo arenas.

    Yep nothing to see here.

    Who wouldn’t be affected.

    ANY OF HOLLYWOOD OR WALL STREET.

    In order to even slightly affect them it would have to be a much more substantial increase targeted at those making over 20 million a year or even 100 million a year.


  170. Mars
    171 | December 21, 2012 2:22 pm

    Stats prove again and again, if firearms are in the hands of the general populace, crime goes down, including firearm related crime.

    Trolls here are impervious to statistics or logic and no longer serve a useful purpose. Please stop encouraging them.

    I posted a list of school shootings the other day in which guns stopped the shooters. Our troll was on that thread. So, that means he is intentionally spreading shit and not trying to engage in meaningful dialogue.


  171. RIX
    172 | December 21, 2012 2:26 pm

    @ ferb123:

    but I suppose if you had loose gun laws in such a city whith all these drug gangs, thing would be even worse

    The more likely scenario is that there would be less crime.
    Criminals by definition break laws.
    With strict gun laws , they are fairly certain that their
    victims aren’t armed.


  172. ferb123
    173 | December 21, 2012 2:32 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Stats prove again and again, if firearms are in the hands of the general populace, crime goes down, including firearm related crime.
    Trolls here are impervious to statistics or logic and no longer serve a useful purpose. Please stop encouraging them.
    I posted a list of school shootings the other day in which guns stopped the shooters. Our troll was on that thread. So, that means he is intentionally spreading shit and not trying to engage in meaningful dialogue.

    not true ;)


  173. ferb123
    174 | December 21, 2012 2:33 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Stats prove again and again, if firearms are in the hands of the general populace, crime goes down, including firearm related crime.
    Trolls here are impervious to statistics or logic and no longer serve a useful purpose. Please stop encouraging them.
    I posted a list of school shootings the other day in which guns stopped the shooters. Our troll was on that thread. So, that means he is intentionally spreading shit and not trying to engage in meaningful dialogue.

    not true

    see http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


  174. taxfreekiller
    175 | December 21, 2012 2:33 pm

    What


  175. Guggi
    176 | December 21, 2012 2:35 pm

    At least Boehner is a dedicated follower of fashion :-P


  176. Mars
    177 | December 21, 2012 2:37 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Stats prove again and again, if firearms are in the hands of the general populace, crime goes down, including firearm related crime.
    Trolls here are impervious to statistics or logic and no longer serve a useful purpose. Please stop encouraging them.
    I posted a list of school shootings the other day in which guns stopped the shooters. Our troll was on that thread. So, that means he is intentionally spreading shit and not trying to engage in meaningful dialogue.
    not true

    see http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html

    Non-sequitor not even related to the information I gave. I’m done.


  177. Mars
    178 | December 21, 2012 2:40 pm

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/opinion/bennett-gun-rights/?hpt=hp_bn7

    More information. From a liberal news site. For those trolls not impervious to facts.


  178. Mars
    179 | December 21, 2012 2:42 pm

    https://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

    http://jpfo.org/pdf03/gun-facts-v6.0-screen.pdf

    and final point. Switzerland.

    (I’m sure everyone on here but the troll understands.)


  179. taxfreekiller
    180 | December 21, 2012 2:42 pm

    Ya, What…

    ferbed4321zero etal do not know

    Alfalfa hay 60 lb bales (two string) new crop about $20.00 a bale, buyer pick up in Dona Ana New Mexico, you have to have a truck, or lease one, two loaders at $12 to $15 per hour, driver boss $20.00 hour, fuel, ect.

    400 bales $8000.00
    labor 8hr $300.00
    fuel 3.80 $400.00

    $9,000.00

    It is not easy.


  180. Mars
    181 | December 21, 2012 2:47 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Ya, What…
    ferbed4321zero etal do not know
    Alfalfa hay 60 lb bales (two string) new crop about $20.00 a bale, buyer pick up in Dona Ana New Mexico, you have to have a truck, or lease one, two loaders at $12 to $15 per hour, driver boss $20.00 hour, fuel, ect.
    400 bales $8000.00
    labor 8hr $300.00
    fuel 3.80 $400.00
    $9,000.00
    It is not easy.

    Exactly. You notice my comment on family farms?

    Our MT commie senator Max Baucus even went as nearly as far as to admit that the estate tax was being pushed to destroy the family farm, but MT still voted his sorry ass back in.


  181. ferb123
    182 | December 21, 2012 2:53 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/opinion/bennett-gun-rights/?hpt=hp_bn7
    More information. From a liberal news site. For those trolls not impervious to facts.

    ridiculous.
    Would you prefer to armed when sitting in the plane which crashed into the twin towers.
    The answer might be yes.

    But if you fly tomorroww would you prefer sitting in a plane where everbody is armed ?


  182. Mars
    183 | December 21, 2012 3:00 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/opinion/bennett-gun-rights/?hpt=hp_bn7
    More information. From a liberal news site. For those trolls not impervious to facts.

    ridiculous.
    Would you prefer to armed when sitting in the plane which crashed into the twin towers.
    The answer might be yes.
    But if you fly tomorroww would you prefer sitting in a plane where everbody is armed ?

    Yes, yes, hell yes, and yes again.

    Grow the F up. Hijackings do not occur if the terrorists think they will be shot. It does no glory to their death god if they do not achieve their goals.

    And as for “everyone” being armed. That is not the case nor will it ever be. You will have the standard libs who are afraid of guns, you will have the mentally unstable that are not allowed guns, and you will have the people who just don’t feel like bringing them.

    Enter reality or FOAD.


  183. Guggi
    184 | December 21, 2012 3:07 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    But if you fly tomorroww would you prefer sitting in a plane where everbody is armed ?

    Yes.


  184. ferb123
    185 | December 21, 2012 3:15 pm

    Mars wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/opinion/bennett-gun-rights/?hpt=hp_bn7
    More information. From a liberal news site. For those trolls not impervious to facts.
    ridiculous.
    Would you prefer to armed when sitting in the plane which crashed into the twin towers.
    The answer might be yes.
    But if you fly tomorroww would you prefer sitting in a plane where everbody is armed ?

    Yes, yes, hell yes, and yes again.
    Grow the F up. Hijackings do not occur if the terrorists think they will be shot. It does no glory to their death god if they do not achieve their goals.
    And as for “everyone” being armed. That is not the case nor will it ever be. You will have the standard libs who are afraid of guns, you will have the mentally unstable that are not allowed guns, and you will have the people who just don’t feel like bringing them.
    Enter reality or FOAD.

    Allowing guns in airplanes,
    I really hope the GOP would be stupid enough to propose this in the next election campaign. :green:

    XDDDDDDDDDDDD


  185. gizbot7
    186 | December 21, 2012 3:15 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    My concern here is that guns are allowed at schools you might have more tragedies.
    Airplane are also gun free zones. Would you like to change this or are you thinking passengers carrying guns in airplane would prevent tragedies?

    Seriously. Are you on crack? Or do you not have the simple comprehesion to understand that 9/11 happened because of BOXCUTTERS


  186. gizbot7
    187 | December 21, 2012 3:17 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    Idiot.


  187. Guggi
    188 | December 21, 2012 3:21 pm

    gizbot7 wrote:

    Seriously. Are you on crack? Or do you not have the simple comprehesion to understand that 9/11 happened because of BOXCUTTERS

    You have to know that Germans live their “Untertanengeist” -- they are not used to freedom and to be proud citizens, they are only subjects.


  188. gizbot7
    189 | December 21, 2012 3:21 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:

    But if you fly tomorroww would you prefer sitting in a plane where everbody is armed ?

    Yes.

    100%. Also, if I have to see XDDDDDDDD one more time, I’m gonna lose it. Just say what you want to say with intelligence or move the eff on.


  189. Guggi
    190 | December 21, 2012 3:25 pm

    gizbot7 wrote:

    Also, if I have to see XDDDDDDDD one more time, I’m gonna lose it.

    Me too


  190. gizbot7
    191 | December 21, 2012 3:27 pm

    @ Guggi:

    I did not realize that. However, it is not an excuse anymore when you come to a site that offers other views yet continue to hold on to — or worse — support that kind of stupidity — as does Ferbbutt.


  191. ferb123
    192 | December 21, 2012 3:27 pm

    gizbot7 wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:

    My concern here is that guns are allowed at schools you might have more tragedies.
    Airplane are also gun free zones. Would you like to change this or are you thinking passengers carrying guns in airplane would prevent tragedies?

    Seriously. Are you on crack? Or do you not have the simple comprehesion to understand that 9/11 happened because of BOXCUTTERS

    ???

    with a gun you still can defeat guys with boxcutters…


  192. 193 | December 21, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ ferb123:

    Knock it off with XXDDD stuff.


  193. gizbot7
    194 | December 21, 2012 3:30 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    gizbot7 wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:

    My concern here is that guns are allowed at schools you might have more tragedies.
    Airplane are also gun free zones. Would you like to change this or are you thinking passengers carrying guns in airplane would prevent tragedies?

    Seriously. Are you on crack? Or do you not have the simple comprehesion to understand that 9/11 happened because of BOXCUTTERS

    ???

    with a gun you still can defeat guys with boxcutters…

    You are not worth the effort of using my keyboard. GAZE.


  194. Mars
    195 | December 21, 2012 3:32 pm

    gizbot7 wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    I did not realize that. However, it is not an excuse anymore when you come to a site that offers other views yet continue to hold on to — or worse — support that kind of stupidity — as does Ferbbutt.

    Yep. And continuing to ignore all facts presented and just keep mindlessly repeating the same damn strawman arguments is getting old.


  195. Mars
    196 | December 21, 2012 3:33 pm

    gizbot7 wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:

    gizbot7 wrote:
    ferb123 wrote:
    My concern here is that guns are allowed at schools you might have more tragedies.
    Airplane are also gun free zones. Would you like to change this or are you thinking passengers carrying guns in airplane would prevent tragedies?
    Seriously. Are you on crack? Or do you not have the simple comprehesion to understand that 9/11 happened because of BOXCUTTERS
    ???
    with a gun you still can defeat guys with boxcutters…

    You are not worth the effort of using my keyboard. GAZE.

    He’s a real keyboard commando.


  196. Guggi
    197 | December 21, 2012 3:34 pm

    @ gizbot7:
    @ Mars:

    That’s why I said he gives a bad picture of a German.


  197. Bumr50
    198 | December 21, 2012 3:36 pm

    Maybe if Boehner didn’t have a track record of being such a clueless establishment douche, more Republicans would have gone along with his gambit.


  198. Mars
    199 | December 21, 2012 3:42 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    @ gizbot7:
    @ Mars:
    That’s why I said he gives a bad picture of a German.

    Heysoos is pretty sure he’s not a real German. Plus there are a lot of questions he’s been asked that he has never answered so there is a nice big cloud of doubt on who he is.


  199. Speranza
    200 | December 21, 2012 3:50 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Heysoos is pretty sure he’s not a real German. Plus there are a lot of questions he’s been asked that he has never answered so there is a nice big cloud of doubt on who he is.

    He is no German.


  200. Mars
    201 | December 21, 2012 3:51 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Heysoos is pretty sure he’s not a real German. Plus there are a lot of questions he’s been asked that he has never answered so there is a nice big cloud of doubt on who he is.
    He is no German.

    I fully agree.


  201. ferb123
    202 | December 21, 2012 3:56 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    @ gizbot7:
    @ Mars:
    That’s why I said he gives a bad picture of a German.

    Heysoos is pretty sure he’s not a real German. Plus there are a lot of questions he’s been asked that he has never answered so there is a nice big cloud of doubt on who he is.

    just out of curiosity, what is your picture of a “real German”.

    By the way, I have no doubt, that you are a “real american”. :mrgreen:


  202. ferb123
    203 | December 21, 2012 3:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Heysoos is pretty sure he’s not a real German. Plus there are a lot of questions he’s been asked that he has never answered so there is a nice big cloud of doubt on who he is.
    He is no German.

    any reason why you think I am not german???


  203. heysoos
    204 | December 21, 2012 4:00 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Heysoos is pretty sure he’s not a real German. Plus there are a lot of questions he’s been asked that he has never answered so there is a nice big cloud of doubt on who he is.
    He is no German.

    any reason why you think I am not german???

    too late…I don’t care who or what you are


  204. ferb123
    205 | December 21, 2012 4:04 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Heysoos is pretty sure he’s not a real German. Plus there are a lot of questions he’s been asked that he has never answered so there is a nice big cloud of doubt on who he is.
    He is no German.
    any reason why you think I am not german???

    too late…I don’t care who or what you are

    but obviously some of your birther friends do care (which I still do not understand why) :mrgreen:


  205. Guggi
    206 | December 21, 2012 4:07 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Heysoos is pretty sure he’s not a real German.

    I’m sure he is.


  206. gizbot7
    207 | December 21, 2012 4:09 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:

    any reason why you think I am not german???

    too late…I don’t care who or what you are

    Ding! No one cares anymore Ferby. You make no sense and keep repeating old crap over and over. Learn something and come back or please just go away. We enjoy conversations here, but not one sided, stupid strawmen.


  207. Speranza
    208 | December 21, 2012 4:13 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    any reason why you think I am not german???

    Guggi (who is Austrian) called you out on your phony “Germanness”. Take it up with her.


  208. taxfreekiller
    209 | December 21, 2012 4:13 pm

    a real putz

    4321 zero

    Would Wells Fargo Stage Line have made a sucess of its bussiness of carrying gold, mail and people if they did not use armed guards?

    yes

    no


  209. taxfreekiller
    210 | December 21, 2012 4:17 pm

    4321 zero

    Example:

    Many banks in southeast asia and india have very well armed guards at the doors and other places in and near the money.

    Very few bank robbers are still alive the drive the bank robberies higher.


  210. ferb123
    211 | December 21, 2012 4:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    any reason why you think I am not german???
    Guggi (who is Austrian) called you out on your phony “Germanness”. Take it up with her.

    Guggi posted she believe I am german :)

    Guggi wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Heysoos is pretty sure he’s not a real German.
    I’m sure he is.


  211. Guggi
    212 | December 21, 2012 4:22 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    what is your picture of a “real German”.

    Someone like you. Germans who yelled in the early 1980′s “better red than dead” against Reagan and the Missiles Deployment (Pershing II).
    Germans who yelled in demonstrations US-SS-SA claiming the U.S.A. would be the real “Nazis”.
    Someone like you who doesn’t have a clue what the word “freedom” is about.
    Someone like you who doesn’t have style and manners but arrogance, ignorance and shows what a blatherskite you are.
    A typical German.


  212. heysoos
    213 | December 21, 2012 4:23 pm

    @ Guggi:
    that’s gonna leave a bruise…
    heh


  213. ferb123
    214 | December 21, 2012 4:24 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    a real putz
    4321 zero
    Would Wells Fargo Stage Line have made a sucess of its bussiness of carrying gold, mail and people if they did not use armed guards?
    yes
    no

    you would not believe it, but I find it absolutly ok when security guards wear guns ;)

    (same for police officers, soldiers)


  214. taxfreekiller
    215 | December 21, 2012 4:28 pm

    @ ferb123:
    OK, then ,, “We The People” will ride shotgun on our f’n passenger ariplanes.

    thanks for the ok.


  215. heysoos
    216 | December 21, 2012 4:30 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    taxfreekiller wrote:
    a real putz
    4321 zero
    Would Wells Fargo Stage Line have made a sucess of its bussiness of carrying gold, mail and people if they did not use armed guards?
    yes
    no

    you would not believe it, but I find it absolutly ok when security guards wear guns
    (same for police officers, soldiers)

    you’d arm people to protect the mail, but not allow arms to protect school children?…you fail as a decent human being…you are my enemy, putting your postcards above the safety of my children….don’t come prowling around my place you weak kneed wimp…you’ll leave with no hands or feet


  216. taxfreekiller
    217 | December 21, 2012 4:30 pm

    Of some note bref 321,

    We are the “Securtiy Guards” of the f’n U.S.A..

    Just try U.S. and find out.


  217. taxfreekiller
    218 | December 21, 2012 4:32 pm

    Buy more guns and ammo, the commie schools are turning out more and more ferb 123′s.

    The will come a time when the line will have to use more than words to hold.


  218. ferb123
    219 | December 21, 2012 4:36 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    taxfreekiller wrote:
    a real putz
    4321 zero
    Would Wells Fargo Stage Line have made a sucess of its bussiness of carrying gold, mail and people if they did not use armed guards?
    yes
    no
    you would not believe it, but I find it absolutly ok when security guards wear guns
    (same for police officers, soldiers)

    you’d arm people to protect the mail, but not allow arms to protect school children?…you fail as a decent human being…you are my enemy, putting your postcards above the safety of my children….don’t come prowling around my place you weak kneed wimp…you’ll leave with no hands or feet

    och you didnt understand. Armed security guards yes, armed teachers in schools no.


  219. ferb123
    220 | December 21, 2012 4:38 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    ferb123 wrote:
    taxfreekiller wrote:
    a real putz
    4321 zero
    Would Wells Fargo Stage Line have made a sucess of its bussiness of carrying gold, mail and people if they did not use armed guards?
    yes
    no
    you would not believe it, but I find it absolutly ok when security guards wear guns
    (same for police officers, soldiers)
    you’d arm people to protect the mail, but not allow arms to protect school children?…you fail as a decent human being…you are my enemy, putting your postcards above the safety of my children….don’t come prowling around my place you weak kneed wimp…you’ll leave with no hands or feet

    och you didnt understand. Armed security guards yes, armed teachers in schools no.

    + armed parents in schools noooo


  220. ferb123
    221 | December 21, 2012 4:39 pm

    hmm,
    armed security guards in schools: ok :)


  221. Speranza
    222 | December 21, 2012 4:41 pm

    Rodan is right -- why do you people want to fall on your swords to protect the fortunes of pricks and douche bags such as Bill Maher, Spike Lee, Samuel L. Jackson, John Kerry’s wife, Alec Baldwin, Barbra Streisand, Janeane Garfalo, Susan Sarandon, Oliver Stone, Michael Moore, and all the residents of the Upper East Side -- all of whom voted for Obama?


  222. taxfreekiller
    223 | December 21, 2012 4:47 pm

    ferb 123,

    You are the perfect subject of the state.

    Enjoy…


  223. Tanker
    224 | December 21, 2012 4:48 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan is right — why do you people want to fall on your swords to protect the fortunes of pricks and douche bags such as Bill Maher, Spike Lee, Samuel L. Jackson, John Kerry’s wife, Alec Baldwin, Barbra Streisand, Janeane Garfalo, Susan Sarandon, Oliver Stone, Michael Moore, and all the residents of the Upper East Side — all of whom voted for Obama?

    The thread well represented both sides, did you not read it?


  224. Speranza
    225 | December 21, 2012 4:58 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Rodan is right — why do you people want to fall on your swords to protect the fortunes of pricks and douche bags such as Bill Maher, Spike Lee, Samuel L. Jackson, John Kerry’s wife, Alec Baldwin, Barbra Streisand, Janeane Garfalo, Susan Sarandon, Oliver Stone, Michael Moore, and all the residents of the Upper East Side — all of whom voted for Obama?

    The thread well represented both sides, did you not read it?

    I read it very well. I was referring to those who were cheering Boehner’s withdrawal of the bill. I still want to know why they want to protect the wealth of those who are Socialist millionaires?


  225. taxfreekiller
    226 | December 21, 2012 5:02 pm

    Socialist millionaires are fools, they spend like crazy, buy boats, homes, cars, eat out, tip big, end up broke and alone.

    All good for jobs for other people. In their end days they help build nurseing homes for we normal people spending their last money on helth care.


  226. Buffalobob
    227 | December 21, 2012 7:37 pm

    I clicked on a link At Red State relating to the school killings. It took me to a Lefty nut site. The one comment that stood out was that right wingers were using the shootings to change the gun laws. Now if you can make sense of the bat shit logic then you can began to appreciate what we up against. No mater what we as conservative do we will be vilified by the MSM, and the nitwits will parrot the lies.


  227. randian
    228 | December 23, 2012 7:10 am

    Hijackings do not occur if the terrorists think they will be shot. It does no glory to their death god if they do not achieve their goals.

    I agree with your desire to arm everybody on the plane, but your reasoning is in deadly error. Said death-god teaches that the only way to guarantee a place in “heaven” is to “kill or be killed” in his name. Neither survival nor success affect a believer’s place in heaven. While I am certain the death-god’s minions prefer to succeed and survive, some of them would attack even if it were provably futile just to gain a place in their heaven. Killing or maiming just one unbeliever is glorious to them, even if they get gunned down a moment later. Terror is still created, after all, even if you kill one person instead of the entire plane/train/bus, and the death-god’s prophet teaches that terror brings victory.


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