I am no fan of Speaker John Boehner (R-OH). He has been nothing but a punching bag for Obama. His cries indicate to me a man with a weak personality. He is a political eunuch and a useless tool. That said, he finally did something right. Boehner called Obama’s bluff.
Throughout the whole campaign Obama kept calling on raising taxes on the rich. He wanted people who make over $250,000 to get a rate increase. I have been saying for months that the GOP should propose raising taxes on people making over 1 million dollars. I knew the Democrats would balk at this. John Boehner finally grew a spine and used a brain cell or two and proposed exactly what I have been advocating. His Plan B was to let taxes rise on those making 1 million a year. This was also what Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi had been calling for earlier in the year. This proposal by Boehner had Obama rattled. He sounded desperate at a news conference and was willing to raise the income threshold. Boehner finally was gaining the upper hand. But as always the GOP snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
A group of so called Conservative purists decided to kill Plan B. They came out against Plan B publicly, thus putting John Boehner in a bind. Not having the numbers to pass Plan B, Boehner pulled the bill from the floor and recessed Congress til Dec 27th. This handed Obama a huge win and he can now legitimately say Republicans are protecting the rich. Plan B would have made Obama the protector of the rich and the GOP could argue with truth that they were protecting the Middle Class and small businesses. But that is not the case.
The Republican Party at the national level is dysfunctional. There is no strategic thinking or long term planning. On one hand you have the Establishment who are sell outs. Then you have the so called Conservative purists who love the martyrdom of defeat. These two elements in the national GOP has done damage . I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the National Republican Party is useless and just a starw-man of Democrats. The Party is torn between an incompetent Establishment and a Conservative Purity Inquisition. Rational Conservatives and Libertarians are ridiculed and silenced.
If nothing changes, a New Center-Right Party will emerge as a rejection to the Republican Establishment and the Conservative Purity Inquisition. In the meantime Obama continues his transformation of America into a Marxist state, aided and abetted by not having any opposition.
Many will disagree with what I wrote and you have every right to. I am not Charles Johnson and do not expect the readers of this blog to agree in lock step with me. All I ask is that you think about what I wrote. Do not expect any “I break with the Right” posts but I am increasingly unhappy with the direction of the Right. You have the Republican establishment who want to be Progressive lite and you have the Conservative Purity Inquisition who demand perfection. I reject both and believe there is a middle ground on the Right that is rational and can plan on a long term agenda to defeat Marxists/Progressives. I am increasingly alone in my beliefs but I feel I have to speak out.
Thanks for taking the time to read this. I do not expect full agreement just to consider my observations.
FYI- I make a distinction between the pathetic national Republican Party and the Local parties that are doing great reforms at the State level.
Tags: Conservative Purity Inquisition, Plan B, Republican Establishment, Speaker John Boehner
Rodan,
As you often say yourself.
Your ideas and opinions find few who would follow.
Guess you will have to be a long time party of one.
Or get in the real game.
@ taxfreekiller:
I tried getting involved in my local GOP, but there’s a power clique that likes the way things are. They shut down any new ideas. I do not have money nor stature to create an alternative. Hopefully, someone will read this and al ightbulb will go off.
For the sake of the country, this can’t continue. Right now we have defacto One Party Rule of the Democrats.
You are for all the people or for none of the people!
Our congress and laws should never be used to punish any group or class of people.
Yet we fall for the bate and switch and pat ourselves on the back and say we are the good, or we gnash our teeth and say the purity is killing us! Confusion much!
I’m not certain the description of some on the right as being the “Conservative Purity Inquisition” is valid. You’re including who want taxation rates to decline and who insist that spending cuts (real ones, that is -- like, immediately, not ten years out) come first. They’re correct. And I’m afraid I still don’t understand why penalizing the successful is such a good idea. Okay, maybe it will hit Hollywood types, singers and sports figures you don’t like, but it will also hit successful entrpeneurs whom you may or may not like. These people aren’t stupid, and they’ll mearly shift assets into less productive but more sheltered investments. A better plane would have been to simply eliminate state and local tax deductions from FIT. Never would have passed, of course, but then none of these proposals would have passed.
The real story is that this tax on the “wealthy” will not
make a dent in the deficit. The Media just won’t
tell it.
Obama tipped his hand four years ago discussing cracking
down on Capital Gains. He admitted that it won’t have an impact,
but it’s “just”
He is looking for economic justice, but if you mention Marxism it
is somehow racist.
If expecting a party to follow its own platform is asking for too much “Purity”, than we are indeed doomed.
@ Tanker:
Bingo.
@ RIX:
Of course it will not. But by allowing it to up on Millionaires, the GOP can call Obama’s bluff and the ball is in his court in the Fiscal Cliff. They can rightly say Obama is defending the rich and turn the tables. he really was nervous about this. But the Purists have handed Obama a huge win.
Hey Rodan!
I respectfully disagree with you.
I understand what Boehner was trying to do but he missed one possible outcome. Obama does NOT veto Plan B, and can then say the GOP has ‘conceded’(he loves that word) to his original idea and wouldn’t it have been better to just do it from the beginning w/o all the political posturing? I WON.
And the GOP is on record as supporting tax raises for everyone making above $1 mil (and if you’re a small business owner, that’s not necessarily a lot of money)
@ Rodan:
The fiscal cons stood their ground over the RINOs yet you call them Purists. Please explain and list who would standup to your purity test!
Rodan wrote:
Sorry Rodan but that is pure propaganda bs. Winning a propaganda victory while surrendering the sovereignty of the country and destroying it’s economy is no victory at all.
@ Rodan:
The caucus should have given Boehner the votes & put the ball in
Obamas court.
Only way to win is to stay in the fight.
” I told you so is not such a constructive solution”
Move to an area where you are able to be part of the solution.
Texas needs more voters.
Soon we will be able to cancell out the Calif. commies in the House.
@ RIX:
You do know Obama has been really good turning things to his advantage when given a ball, right!
@ doriangrey:
There are “members” of the gun community like that -- we call them “Fudds.” Anything that doesn’t impact their little niche is just fine and dandy with them. Principles don’t enter in to it.
It’s the End of the World.
Vote with your feet.
Vote with your $ no matter the amount.
Stand our ground.
90 years of deals with commies got U.S. this $20 Trillion of debt.
“The Party is torn between an incompetent Establishment and a Conservative Purity Inquisition. Rational Conservatives and Libertarians are ridiculed and silenced.”
I absolutly agree with this
ferb123 wrote:
Yes, but you are an imbecile who would agree with a shit sandwich.
doriangrey wrote:
Well said.
Tanker wrote:
Why should fiscons want to keep taxes low for Jay Z, Bruce Sprinsteen, Ben Afleck and Eva Longoria. Obama won 8 out of the 10 richest districts voted for Obama. Let them have their tax increases. Small Business and the Midle Class would not be effected by this. Obama would not sign off on this anyway. It would have made him defender of the rich and the GOP standing up for small businesses and the Middle Class.
Now Obama is laughing and has got a huge win.
ferb 3,2,1, zero
Is it a good thing that the commie Chicago Democrat Party Machine has made Chicago the first free of charge human target gun range????
@ doriangrey:
That’s what the Purists are doing. They are helping Obama by “standing their ground”. How would raising taxes on Jay Z and Bruce Sprisngsteen destroy America’s sovereignty?
doriangrey wrote:
Planning to go out with a bang?
It’s the end of the world and I feel fine!
Rodan wrote:
You forget -- EVERYBODY’S taxes are going up anyway Jan 1
Rodan,
You as a “Purists Of One” should think of the old rock throwing from a glass house thingey.
@ Rodan:
Because principled fiscal conservatives want to keep taxes low for everybody? Period?
@ Tanker:
Yeah, I agree that Obama is great at turning things in his favor.
It is not that he is so skillful, it’s that he owns the Media.
I just would have like to see he & his party turn down what was actually
the Pelosi plan.
I understand the message of the election, I get it.
Mike C. wrote:
Absolutely. It’s usually “assault weapons” they don’t care about.
@ eaglesoars:
This inoculates the GOP from the Party of the Rich charge. Obama was really nervous about Plan B, now he’s popping chmapagne and probably doing some blow too.
Rodan wrote:
May have something to do with upholding their oath of office!
Using laws and congress to punish those we don’t like is well….being a damn Democrat!
taxfreekiller wrote:
dear taxfreekiller,
can you give me more details about this?
@ Rodan:
The Republicans should have kept referring to it as the “Pelosi Plan.”
Have some fun with it.
@ Mike C.:
Why should Republicans die on a hill for Hollywood, The Hamptons, The Upper West Side, Hyde Park and Miami Beach? Those people vote Democratic. They want high taxes, give it to them.
The only clear message of this past election is that RINO’s at the top of the Republican Party do not and will not get out the base to vote.
This has been the same every time.
The Republican leadership push the conservative base away and thus wave the Democrats into the lead.
If you understand that it is in fact a Two Party Evil Money Cult, it makes sense for them to do as they do.
@ Tanker:
It works for them, doesn’t it?
Rodan wrote:
Because it isn’t raising taxes on Jay Z. It’s raising taxes on small businesses. Don’t you get it? a million dollars a year on a small company isn’t a high hurdle. Small businesses are any company with under 50 employees. Any company with as few as 10 employees is in the million dollar a year category.
The loss of America’s sovereignty follows the destruction of it’s economy, do you not understand that once your economy is so fragile and collapsed that other nation have the leverage to dictate your internal policies (think Greece) that you are no longer a sovereign nation?
ferb123 wrote:
GO to Chicago, you will get all the information you will ever need on the subject.
such bullshit…the problem isn’t even taxes….the problem is the immense bloat of operating the government and the fact that too few people are working…no one seems interested in taking on that mess…get folks back to work
Rodan wrote:
Ok I’m missing something. What makes you think that?
The very high Gun shot deaths in Chicago.
It is not beer bottles on the ground out at the city dumb that are ending up full of holes.
Mostley young gang members over drug turf wars.
@ ferb123:
@ doriangrey:
What % of those making over 1 Million are small businesses?
Rodan wrote:
Then join them, I am who I am because I refuse to become them. To each his own!
Rodan wrote:
Probably somewhere around 90%
@ eaglesoars:
The press conference he had. he was testy and stuttering. Obama also moved away from the 250,000 and was saying 400,000. Boehner called his bluff. Harry Reid said it was DOA. This would have ended up on the Dems.
In my mind their is an 800 pound gorilla in the room that the Media
just ignores.
The target is the Middle Class, that’s where the cash is.
Increased taxes on Warren Buffet isn’t going to cut it.
This is just the Class Warfare crap, the real victim will be the Middle
Class.
heysoos wrote:
entitlements/social programs
The fact that none of this was even addressed tells me one thing -- this is about the mid-terms
Rodan,
Give it a moment of thinking..
Suppose the movie mogals were all Republicans, it is possible ya know.
Then what?
@ eaglesoars:
it always is….re-election trumps governing
@ doriangrey:
That’s not what I have read.
The Rich are not a hill to die on. The GOP just screwed itself for the next decade. The Dems will win back the House in 2014 and the GOP will be slaughtered in 2016. This was not the hill to make a stand.
Guns are the hill to make a stand, not Jay Z.
Rodan wrote:
Bullshit.
Whatever happens is going to be blamed on Republicans. Facts have nothing to do with it.
taxfreekiller wrote:
how this is connected to the democrats?
Rodan wrote:
I avoid watching Obama so I didn’t see it -- but I know he stutters w/the teleprompter.
taxfreekiller wrote:
Then I would oppose raising taxes on people making over 1 million. I am being honest here. I want political payback for their support of Obama and I want to pain the Dems as the party of the elite.
Rodan wrote:
I have four words to refute that ridiculous assertion, read them carefully. “Fifth Column Treasonous Media“. They turned a serial lying Marxist douchebag into a Demi-god, and an honest highly skilled ethical businessman into an evil woman killer.
NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is going to end up on the Democrats. If “Fast and Furious” and Benghazi didn’t teach you that, then you haven’t been paying attention.
eaglesoars wrote:
@ lobo91:
Well be happy, your view won out and and mine lost.
Rodan wrote:
If you’re not already in the biz, you missed your calling. You should be in advertising. JUst not for any clients that want positive results.
Look, taxes ARE going up. For everybody that pays taxes. That’s a fact. And Republicans are going to be blamed for it, passively or actively. That’s another fact. There’s a (very) slight chance to argue against the passive position; there is no chance to argue against the active position. None. Another fact. YOu’re a big fan of GHWB… Remember what that did to him?
@ doriangrey:
Although I do like the Stout Hemp Rope Party!
Rodan wrote:
They’ll get that w/the coming economic collapse. Your idea just cuts off your nose to spite your face.
Payback comes with being in the fight.
Lots of ways to fight these commies other than from inside the R party.
The CO2 fraud is one.
Gun Rights.
Voter fraud.
Conservative media.
Write a book that will sell and teach such as those by Mark Levin.
heysoos wrote:
What the Country really needs is more Taxpayers paying less in taxes, not fewer Taxpayers paying more in taxes.
Rodan wrote:
Then you have either read wrong or misunderstood what you have read. Small businesses make up 90 percent of America’s economy. They employ the vast majority of all Americans. Plan B was an outright attack not on Jay Z and his ilk, but upon middle class Americans, who the vast majority of, do not work for large corporations and are not the Hollyweird elite.
@ Mike C.:
Look, be happy. You purists have won. You should be celebrating. Have a beer on me! It’s a glorious day for you.
It’s a huge win, you sent a message!
lobo91 wrote:
That is exactly correct. Obama has the primary medium that most people get their information from in his back pocket. It really doesn’t matter what we do in that respect. Boehner has already signalled that he’d give Obama everything he wants, and Obama promptly said that wasn’t good enough. There ar ea lot of voters pissed off about that kind of behavior, but we are the low-information voters that the Democrats count on.
One Party Rule in Chicago for years.
“Gun Free Kill Zone” created by stupid ass laws on guns by Chicago Machie Democrats.@ ferb123:
@ doriangrey:
Middle Class Americans do not make 1 million dollars, Jay z and his ilk do.
Look, you won this round. Enjoy your victory. Have some beer and celebrate. I congratulate you guys on your win. I am a gracious loser!
doriangrey wrote:
Bingo! Things need to get really bad for all to get any change. Even then, I’m not sure this will bring a positive change!
Rodan wrote:
Me to, I have already come up with a motto and a creed for the Stout Hemp Rope Party.
Our Motto: Why yes, there is enough Stout Hemp Rope in America to fix all of our problems.
Our Creed: A Fifth Column Treasonous Media Propagandist hanging from every Streetlamp.
Rodan wrote:
Is there a reading comprehension problem here? SMALL BUSINESSES. It doesn’t mean the owner(s) take home $1 mil
Middle Class farmers and ranchers do “Gross” a million or two or 10
but after operation cost and taxes not so much.
Same with the movie mogals, they gross millions but there to ,,
cost of doing bussiness and taxes, the left’s leftovers, not so much.
@ doriangrey:
The symbol should be the Tree of Liberty with the Stout Hemp Rope!
“Selective Class Warfare”
Rodan wrote:
You just aren’t getting it. A small business proprietor with between 5 and 10 employees has a total gross income in the million dollar range. His personal net at the end of the year is probably only around $250,000.00 but the companies Gross has to be around a million to just survive. Expenses and overhead, which include the salaries of all of his employees consume that other $750,000.00.
Plan B would have taxed the business owner not on his personal net, but on the total Gross of his business.
Rodan wrote:
Got it right here.
Rodan wrote:
You like to throw the purist meme around, but I’d still like to know who would meet you purity test!
I understand your points (though on this we disagree) and want for blood in the political sense, but really how does it really help us? Even if the vote had been taken and gone your way, what would have been the outcome? The media would have shielded any blame from Obama!
@ eaglesoars:
Exactly. Successful small businesses are the target of these tax hikes. Like I said to Ferb this morning, that’ll produce job cuts. That’s a plan. The Republicans would be better served trying to get that message out, but either they are incapable of articulating that or they are being frozen out by the MFM. Could be both of those.
taxfreekiller wrote:
And with the reinstatement of the estate taxes on family farms…….
Agenda 21. In spades.
Have to go collect some monsters be back in a bit…
@ eaglesoars:
If a business owner is not taking home 1 million, then how will a new rate effect them? How many of them are actually Republican? 8 out of the 10 richest counties voted for Obama. Look your view prevailed and won out. Enjoy the victory.
@ eaglesoars:
As I have been saying for months now, going over the Fiscal Cliff was always Obama’s agenda. It has been since Boehner gifted him with this magnificiant proposal. He gets everything he wants, and he can blame all the bad effects on the Republicans. Why wouldn’t he want to do it? We shouldn’t have raised the Debt Ceiling without significant real cuts in return. Obama is going to overspend $1.6 trillion this year, all of it without a budget. Under Boehner’s leadership the power of the purse has proven totally empty.
Rodan wrote:
Because the BUSINESS taxes will go up. Which will mean less money for payroll, inventory, expansion etc.
sheesh. Is my face blue? Sure feels like it.
@ Tanker:
We could have position ourselves as defending the middle clas against the interest of Hollywood and Silicon Valley.
That is the 800 lb. Gorilla in the room, that needs to be addressed. But at least the GOP could have been on record against tax increases for most Americans. It was a symbolic vote they could have at least pointed to.
Iron Fist wrote:
The GOP should have offered a bill of tax CUTS
@ Rodan:
They charge small businesses income tax as individuals on their gross income. Not th ebusiness owner, but the business itself. Then the owner pays personal income tax on whatever he gets out of the deal, so he is really being double taxed to start with. Small business has always been the target. Obama wants unemployment to go up.
@ eaglesoars:
That was exempted in Plan B. The Estate Tax and the AMT was eliminated.
@ eaglesoars:
Yeah, at least go down fighting the enemy. Boehner wants to give Obama everything. What is the point in being the opposition party if you don’t oppose?
@ Iron Fist:
Then an exemption should be made for them. But I do want tax hikes on Hollywood, Silicon valley and Wall Street. They are funding the Progressives. We need to target them.
Iron Fist wrote:
Somewhere this morning I read that Boehner was playing poker when he needed to be playing chess.
Rodan wrote:
You don’t seem to understand. It’s not about sending a message. It’s about doing what’s right. It’s about keeping your word. It’s about whether you actually believe in that document penned up by those old dead white guys or not. Or, if you prefer, it’s about being able to look yourself in the mirror in the morning without cringing.
Back in my day, such things were considered important.
“Oh, what a brave new world, that has such people in it!”
Just heard a report that Colorado is going to try to ban ‘assault’ weapons.
*sigh*
eaglesoars wrote:
See now, that is a political hill I am all for dying on. Guns are the only thing standing between us and a totalitarian.
eaglesoars wrote:
Stupid Lawmakers only know how to do one thing; make stupid laws.
Iron Fist wrote:
I think its not so clear how many jobs the rich tax hike would cost.
see
Its somehow depends on what Obama plans to do with the revenue.
(If he the 1 trillion to subsidize firms like Solyndra, it maybe creates jobs XDDDDD )
eaglesoars wrote:
What does that mean. Any weapon is a assault weapon if used to assault someone. Would like to see what they will call an assault weapon!
lobo, time bring your legislative experience into play here!
Rodan wrote:
Yeah, but I think we’re way to close to totalitarianism anyway.
Jon Hammer’s mother confirms he’s being released today
@ Rodan:
That Obama entire point, though. An exemption won’t be made. Obama wants to make an example out of small businesses. Small Business Owners mostly oppose the Democrats and especially the Unions. Unions hate small businesses. Obama wants to put them out of business. Besides, Harry Reid has already said that anything that Boehner crafts is DOA in the Senate. Why do you think Boehner doesn’t have enough Democrat votes to pass Plan B? The Democrats have already rejected this so-called compromise. But it isn’t really a compromise. When you compromise both sides get something, and we didn’t really get anything out of Plan B.
Rodan wrote:
You know, this is the stupidest part of this entire argument. You want to enshrine punitive taxes against your enemies. Which have no chance of passing, but you do want to enshrine the principle. Which will then be promptly tuned on you, and you’ll have no legal or ethical basis to object.
@ Mike C.:
The Constitution has nothing to do with this. This is about politics and gaining the upper hand on Democrats and painting them as the party of the elite.
Look you won, be happy and have a beer on me!
@ ferb123:
Solyndra was a cash cow for the true rich. And, naturally, you support that theft from the public coffers.
Tanker wrote:
My guess is they’ll go after magazines.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
it’s okay with liberals to have armed guards at the airport looting grannys shampoo…it’s okay to have armed guards standing around a bank to protect the vault…it’s okay for liberals to arm themselves…but they freak out when we want armed guards to protect our children and call us crazy savages…liberals are dangerous lunatics
Rodan wrote:
The Media will never let you do that. that simply isn’t happening as long as the MFM controls the narrative. Truth has nothing to remotely do with what the low-information voters believe.
@ Mike C.:
You know what is stupid, the purity of defeat. Hollywood, Silicon Valley and Wall Street receive tax breaks. Eliminate them and hurt the Dems in their pocket. They want higher taxes, give it to them. You are right, it would go nowhere because the Republicans don’t believe in winning nor going for the jugular.
@ eaglesoars:
Because you can’t reaload when no one has a gun to shoot at you anyway? Ten round magazines just means you have to change magazines three times as often. That can be a big difference if you are fighting off a crowd of home-invasion thugs, but it really doesn’t matter when you are killing kindergarteners and their unarmed teachers.
Iron Fist wrote:
actually I do not support this (Solyndra thing). XDDDDDD
but you cannot deny that it has creates some jobs for a while
@ Rodan:
Canada during the 90s was a lot like this--an all powerful Liberal majority, a fractured Conservative opposition, and a compliant Liberal media machine.
@ Iron Fist:
No it was just about going on record and calling the Dems bluff. That’s all it was about. Instead now Obama has a big win and the GOP shot itself in the foot.
on a more important subject, did yous see what Eaglesoars wrote? Colorado is looking to ban “assault” weapons.
heysoos wrote:
No. They’re not.
It’s about learned helplessness, an absence of self reliance and a monopoly on force.
Iron Fist wrote:
It’s suicide having just a 10 round mag.
Rodan wrote:
For me it has everything to do this. We defend it or scrap it! I choose to defend! And really if you had to make a direct choice, I believe you would also!
@ ferb123:
Fewer jobs than the money would have created if it was left in the private sector, because in th eprivate sector there would have been the motivation to create lasting jobs. All Solyndra was was a rip-off from the get go. The same s true of all the Green Fairy jobs that Obama wanted to “create”. They were all about securing as much money as they could from the public coffers and then going bankrupt leaving the taxpayers to foot the bill. Peole should be going ot jail ofver i, because it was fraud. But don’t look for Obama’s JustUs system to prosecute it any more than they’re going to prosecute the people who did Fast and Furious.
ferb123 wrote:
From rayra at GCP…
Holy shit…
@ Tanker:
Absolutely. That is why Guns is where I think the GOP really needs to make a big stand. The Democrats are exploiting the death of young kids for political gain. Notice they are silent on the daily killings of Black Ghetto Kids?
@ Rodan:
I saw that. Glad I don’t live in Colorado. It’ll be interesting to see if it actually passes. Sooner or later the Supreme Court is going to have to weigh in on whether the State has the authority to ban scary looking weapons because it’ll make liberals feel better. I don’t think you can prove that such weapons are any graver threat to public safety than anything else. IIRC< the biggest mass killing in United States history involved gasoline and matches, not a gun. A guy burned down a nightclub in NYC and killed about 100 people.
@ Mike C.:
I am buying ammo as well. I am planning on making a weapons purchase as well. I am pissed off that the Left is suing the shooting to go after guns.
Rodan, it’s not the silly rate of taxation argument with plan B that I found so objectionable. It was plan B’s complete capitulation on spending. It allowed for a massive increase this year, above our already insane spending, and then asked for, “future cuts,” down the road a few years in order to claim the virtue of cutting our overall 10 year deficit, not in actuality, but according to the baseline.
That’s why Plan B lost. It deserved to lose. Eventually, we as a group need to advocate for something because it is the right thing to do, and not because it gives us an advantage politically. That’s what’s wrong with the GOP, and that’s why they lose national elections.
@ Mike C.:
Perople aren’t buying this stuff to turn it over when the god-king and his priests decree that they should. This has the potential to get very serious.
Iron Fist
Solyndra looks like a money laundering scheme.
An audit of the books during due diligence would reveal
that they were selling units under production cost & could
not survive.
Kickbacks anyone? Chicago on the Potomac.
Rodan wrote:
As noted by RIX above, in places like chicago w/one of the most restrive gun laws in the country.
If the Bad Guys obeyed the law they wouldn’t be the Bad Guys.
This is not complicated
@ Iron Fist:
Glad I don’t live in Colorado
Lobo does and maybe he can inform us if this really can pass. The Republcians control the legislature, so hopefully this will not pass.
This needs to be decided. One thing I do notice, they keep hyping the AR-15. There are other weapons that are more powerful than this. But it looks scary so it must be banned!
ditto too also@ Flyovercountry:
@ eaglesoars:
The Progressives love only bad guys having guns. More bad guys means more police. More police means less freedoms and a bigger police state. More crime means more lawyers. Most lawyers are Leftists. Coincidence? I do not think so.
RIX wrote:
It cost $6 per unit to manufacture but because China was underpricing them, they had to sell them for $3.
Not a good business model.
Just a foretaste of what is in store for America. Keep in mind that the French are at”only” 90% GDP debt level. We ae already over 100%, and that 100% doesn’t take into account the multi-trillion dollar unfunded liabilities we have through our over-generous entitlement programs.
Iron Fist wrote:
Yup, expect to see local militias pop up.
Rodan wrote:
We know they done care about the Black Ghetto (I hate Ghetto term) kids. Until the average person on the street and mainly those living there understand this, they will continue to die….shame!
Iron Fist wrote:
The only thing saving us is money printing. That can’t continue forevere.
Rodan wrote:
Now THAT we can agree on.
@ Tanker:
The Democrats love the Ghetto. It’s the new plantation.
@ eaglesoars:
I
Not sustainable & everybody knew it.
Yet Obama raided the treasury.
This is profound corruption.
Later, time to get some exercise.
I’ve got chores. Later.
RIX wrote:
but I suppose if you had loose gun laws in such a city whith all these drug gangs, thing would be even worse.
@ eaglesoars:
The Democrats support the Police-Legal-Jail Industrial Complex.
@ ferb123:
wrong…stats prove exactly the opposite
@ ferb123:
Wrong. If law abiding citizens were armed, the drug gangs would not have their way.
RIX wrote:
So what? The rich voted for Obama so let their taxes go up. Why fall on your sword for the benefit of folks that don’t vote for you and are unpopular?
Rodan wrote:
Wrong. Drug gangs would be armed with more powerful weapons.
ferb123 wrote:
You are a fucking tool! Truth is, crooks don’t prey on an armed citizen. They go after those that can’t defend themselves!
@ ferb123:
Why not try it and see? We know the current methods aren’t working.
ferb123 wrote:
WRONG!!
I live in Virginia with some of the most liberal gun laws in the country. There are 72 houses in my immediate neighborhood. 58 of us are legally armed.
We don’t have that problem. I’m not saying there are no gangs here (mostly MS 13 out of El Salvador). But street shootouts, etc? No way. Too many people here hear gunfire and we pull out our own weapons. Bad guys are out-gunned just in sheer numbers.
Rodan wrote:
An AR 15 is on the low end of power out of a rifle. If they get them, they will be back for the .300 Wichester Magnum hunting rifles. It is only a matter of time.
@ ferb123:
you are utterly devoid of any sense of logic or facts…you live in a fantasy of artificial ideology
ferb123 wrote:
Idiot. The drug gangs already have machineguns. Illegal guns and illegal drugs follow the same pathways of distribution. All that the gun laws do is assure the thugs that their victims will be unarmed.
@ heysoos:
It’s a pretty standard response for gun control advocates, though. They feel it’s true, and so it is.
eaglesoars wrote:
Not only was China underselling them at $3.00 per unit, but… China controls the worlds Rare Earth Metals markets, and the Chinese put Soylendra at the back of the line for receiving the Rare Earth Metals they needed to make their product. (Yes Iron Fist, you can take the obligatory swipe at California for that one) The Enviro-Nazi’s in California made that happen.
Mountain Pass California used to be the largest producer of Rare Earth Metals on earth until the Enviro-Nazi’s shut them down over “Environmental” concerns.
Bloomberg: No One Has ‘Defended the Second Amendment as Much as I Have’
Oy vey
doriangrey wrote:
good point
ok NOW I’m gone
Iron Fist wrote:
but not every drug dealer has a machine gun. This might be changed, if everybody have a machine gun under his coat…
ferb123 wrote:
You are a fucking imbecile. Drug gangs are not suicidal Muslim Jihadist, they are criminals who at the end of the day don’t want to end up dead. They do not attack people who can and will kill them, they go after those who cannot defend themselves and can be intimidated into surrendering what ever it is that the drug gangs want.
ferb123 wrote:
What part of drug gang members are not trying to get themselves killed is it that you are so utterly and completely incapable of understanding?
@ ferb123:
So it is better that some of the criminals be better armed than the civilians so that all of the criminals won’t be armed equally well to the civilians? Do you really believe that? The law abiding by nature obey the law. The criminals by nature break the law. You want to know how gun-free zones work? Look at Sandy Hook. That is your prescription for all citizens of the Unied States. I think you’ll find that most of our citizens aren’t content to be sheep in a pen, waiting for the slaughter.
Iron Fist wrote:
Ferbthe imbecile ought to ask his German Jewish neighbors how well that philosophy worked out for them… Oh… wait that right he can’t because his fellow Germans killed them all just as soon as they took all of their weapons legally.
@ Iron Fist:
I do like the idea of have a machine gun under my coat, though. Okay, a machine pistol. Glock 18, maybe. Or one of the compact Uzis, if we could get them to re-open a production line.
doriangrey wrote:
LOL
Drug gang mainly attack other drug gangs, which are also armed.
Why arming everybody should help?
@ Mike C.:
As far as Class III weapons go, I am more partial to short-barrelled rifles and suppressors than I am machineguns. A machinegun is fun, bu tyou can accomplish as much or more with a semi-auto. Short-barreled rifles, OTOH, are just about perfect CQB weapons, so they would be great for home defense. A suppressor keeps you from damaging your hearing if you have to shoot indoors. A suppressor isn’t really a weapon, anyway. That they are restricted just goes to show how rabid the gun controllers have been for over half a century.
ferb123 wrote:
You could ask your German Jewish neighbors that if you hadn’t killed them all after disarming them.
Tanker wrote:
“Colorado” isn’t planning to ban anything. Some Democrats in the state legislature want to.
Big difference.
Won’t pass.
@ Iron Fist:
Supressors aren’t all that regulated, really. They’re much easier to get than automatic weapons in most states. You just have to pay the fee.
@ ferb123:
The kids on the corner or porch caught in the fire means nothing! Or the law abiding families having to live in those communities have no recourse as long as they are kept unarmed! Sitting ducks!
Why do you hate black people? Did one take your love from you while serving in Germany?
@ Iron Fist:
I don’t worry about suppressors much. The best argument that I’ve herd for them is that you don’t have to wear ear protection at the range. But that only works if any and everybody else at the range is using them as well. If the guy next to you is touching off his .220 Swift bench rifle (as an example), you’re gonna need that ear protection. And while a suppressor only requires a $ 5 AOW tax ticket, it still puts you on the BATFE list of true gun nuts. No thanks.
New Thread and it’s hysterical!
Iron Fist wrote:
My concern here is that guns are allowed at schools you might have more tragedies.
Airplane are also gun free zones. Would you like to change this or are you thinking passengers carrying guns in airplane would prevent tragedies?
@ lobo91:
Just like in DC, republicans control the state House and Democrats control the Senate in Colorado.
@ ferb123:
Because the fact that there’s a sign prohibiting them now is working so well…
//
@ ferb123:
Drug Gangs intimidate law abiding citizens. If the citizens could fight back, they would not do what they do.
Who would have been affected by plan B.
1. The small restaurants in town that are not part of a major chain.
2. The only two grocery stores in my town that are not owned by a massive corporation.
3. The small family farm, that the dems have been trying to destroy for the past 30+ years with the estate tax. The estate tax would no longer be necessary because the farms here in the conservative heart of the country would be no more.
4. The successful startup company just looking at expansion.
5. The independent trucking/shippings companies.
6. The small local craft stores.
7. Local book stores.
8. Clothing stores. (non-chain).
9 Food trucks.
10. Local sports centers/racetracks/rodeo arenas.
Yep nothing to see here.
Who wouldn’t be affected.
ANY OF HOLLYWOOD OR WALL STREET.
In order to even slightly affect them it would have to be a much more substantial increase targeted at those making over 20 million a year or even 100 million a year.
Stats prove again and again, if firearms are in the hands of the general populace, crime goes down, including firearm related crime.
Trolls here are impervious to statistics or logic and no longer serve a useful purpose. Please stop encouraging them.
I posted a list of school shootings the other day in which guns stopped the shooters. Our troll was on that thread. So, that means he is intentionally spreading shit and not trying to engage in meaningful dialogue.
@ ferb123:
The more likely scenario is that there would be less crime.
Criminals by definition break laws.
With strict gun laws , they are fairly certain that their
victims aren’t armed.
Mars wrote:
not true
ferb123 wrote:
see http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html
What
At least Boehner is a dedicated follower of fashion
ferb123 wrote:
Non-sequitor not even related to the information I gave. I’m done.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/opinion/bennett-gun-rights/?hpt=hp_bn7
More information. From a liberal news site. For those trolls not impervious to facts.
https://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm
http://jpfo.org/pdf03/gun-facts-v6.0-screen.pdf
and final point. Switzerland.
(I’m sure everyone on here but the troll understands.)
Ya, What…
ferbed4321zero etal do not know
Alfalfa hay 60 lb bales (two string) new crop about $20.00 a bale, buyer pick up in Dona Ana New Mexico, you have to have a truck, or lease one, two loaders at $12 to $15 per hour, driver boss $20.00 hour, fuel, ect.
400 bales $8000.00
labor 8hr $300.00
fuel 3.80 $400.00
$9,000.00
It is not easy.
taxfreekiller wrote:
Exactly. You notice my comment on family farms?
Our MT commie senator Max Baucus even went as nearly as far as to admit that the estate tax was being pushed to destroy the family farm, but MT still voted his sorry ass back in.
Mars wrote:
ridiculous.
Would you prefer to armed when sitting in the plane which crashed into the twin towers.
The answer might be yes.
But if you fly tomorroww would you prefer sitting in a plane where everbody is armed ?
ferb123 wrote:
Yes, yes, hell yes, and yes again.
Grow the F up. Hijackings do not occur if the terrorists think they will be shot. It does no glory to their death god if they do not achieve their goals.
And as for “everyone” being armed. That is not the case nor will it ever be. You will have the standard libs who are afraid of guns, you will have the mentally unstable that are not allowed guns, and you will have the people who just don’t feel like bringing them.
Enter reality or FOAD.
ferb123 wrote:
Yes.
Mars wrote:
Allowing guns in airplanes,
I really hope the GOP would be stupid enough to propose this in the next election campaign. :green:
XDDDDDDDDDDDD
ferb123 wrote:
Seriously. Are you on crack? Or do you not have the simple comprehesion to understand that 9/11 happened because of BOXCUTTERS
@ gizbot7:
Idiot.
gizbot7 wrote:
You have to know that Germans live their “Untertanengeist” -- they are not used to freedom and to be proud citizens, they are only subjects.
Guggi wrote:
100%. Also, if I have to see XDDDDDDDD one more time, I’m gonna lose it. Just say what you want to say with intelligence or move the eff on.
gizbot7 wrote:
Me too
@ Guggi:
I did not realize that. However, it is not an excuse anymore when you come to a site that offers other views yet continue to hold on to — or worse — support that kind of stupidity — as does Ferbbutt.
gizbot7 wrote:
???
with a gun you still can defeat guys with boxcutters…
@ ferb123:
Knock it off with XXDDD stuff.
ferb123 wrote:
You are not worth the effort of using my keyboard. GAZE.
gizbot7 wrote:
Yep. And continuing to ignore all facts presented and just keep mindlessly repeating the same damn strawman arguments is getting old.
gizbot7 wrote:
He’s a real keyboard commando.
@ gizbot7:
@ Mars:
That’s why I said he gives a bad picture of a German.
Maybe if Boehner didn’t have a track record of being such a clueless establishment douche, more Republicans would have gone along with his gambit.
Guggi wrote:
Heysoos is pretty sure he’s not a real German. Plus there are a lot of questions he’s been asked that he has never answered so there is a nice big cloud of doubt on who he is.
Mars wrote:
He is no German.
Speranza wrote:
I fully agree.
Mars wrote:
just out of curiosity, what is your picture of a “real German”.
By the way, I have no doubt, that you are a “real american”.
Speranza wrote:
any reason why you think I am not german???
ferb123 wrote:
too late…I don’t care who or what you are
heysoos wrote:
but obviously some of your birther friends do care (which I still do not understand why)
Mars wrote:
I’m sure he is.
heysoos wrote:
Ding! No one cares anymore Ferby. You make no sense and keep repeating old crap over and over. Learn something and come back or please just go away. We enjoy conversations here, but not one sided, stupid strawmen.
ferb123 wrote:
Guggi (who is Austrian) called you out on your phony “Germanness”. Take it up with her.
a real putz
4321 zero
Would Wells Fargo Stage Line have made a sucess of its bussiness of carrying gold, mail and people if they did not use armed guards?
yes
no
4321 zero
Example:
Many banks in southeast asia and india have very well armed guards at the doors and other places in and near the money.
Very few bank robbers are still alive the drive the bank robberies higher.
Speranza wrote:
Guggi posted she believe I am german
Guggi wrote:
ferb123 wrote:
Someone like you. Germans who yelled in the early 1980′s “better red than dead” against Reagan and the Missiles Deployment (Pershing II).
Germans who yelled in demonstrations US-SS-SA claiming the U.S.A. would be the real “Nazis”.
Someone like you who doesn’t have a clue what the word “freedom” is about.
Someone like you who doesn’t have style and manners but arrogance, ignorance and shows what a blatherskite you are.
A typical German.
@ Guggi:
that’s gonna leave a bruise…
heh
taxfreekiller wrote:
you would not believe it, but I find it absolutly ok when security guards wear guns
(same for police officers, soldiers)
@ ferb123:
OK, then ,, “We The People” will ride shotgun on our f’n passenger ariplanes.
thanks for the ok.
ferb123 wrote:
you’d arm people to protect the mail, but not allow arms to protect school children?…you fail as a decent human being…you are my enemy, putting your postcards above the safety of my children….don’t come prowling around my place you weak kneed wimp…you’ll leave with no hands or feet
Of some note bref 321,
We are the “Securtiy Guards” of the f’n U.S.A..
Just try U.S. and find out.
Buy more guns and ammo, the commie schools are turning out more and more ferb 123′s.
The will come a time when the line will have to use more than words to hold.
heysoos wrote:
och you didnt understand. Armed security guards yes, armed teachers in schools no.
ferb123 wrote:
+ armed parents in schools noooo
hmm,
armed security guards in schools: ok
Rodan is right -- why do you people want to fall on your swords to protect the fortunes of pricks and douche bags such as Bill Maher, Spike Lee, Samuel L. Jackson, John Kerry’s wife, Alec Baldwin, Barbra Streisand, Janeane Garfalo, Susan Sarandon, Oliver Stone, Michael Moore, and all the residents of the Upper East Side -- all of whom voted for Obama?
ferb 123,
You are the perfect subject of the state.
Enjoy…
Speranza wrote:
The thread well represented both sides, did you not read it?
Tanker wrote:
I read it very well. I was referring to those who were cheering Boehner’s withdrawal of the bill. I still want to know why they want to protect the wealth of those who are Socialist millionaires?
Socialist millionaires are fools, they spend like crazy, buy boats, homes, cars, eat out, tip big, end up broke and alone.
All good for jobs for other people. In their end days they help build nurseing homes for we normal people spending their last money on helth care.
I clicked on a link At Red State relating to the school killings. It took me to a Lefty nut site. The one comment that stood out was that right wingers were using the shootings to change the gun laws. Now if you can make sense of the bat shit logic then you can began to appreciate what we up against. No mater what we as conservative do we will be vilified by the MSM, and the nitwits will parrot the lies.
I agree with your desire to arm everybody on the plane, but your reasoning is in deadly error. Said death-god teaches that the only way to guarantee a place in “heaven” is to “kill or be killed” in his name. Neither survival nor success affect a believer’s place in heaven. While I am certain the death-god’s minions prefer to succeed and survive, some of them would attack even if it were provably futile just to gain a place in their heaven. Killing or maiming just one unbeliever is glorious to them, even if they get gunned down a moment later. Terror is still created, after all, even if you kill one person instead of the entire plane/train/bus, and the death-god’s prophet teaches that terror brings victory.