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Sunday Open and The Ten Martyrs of Crete

by coldwarrior ( 83 Comments › )
Filed under History, Open thread, Orthodox Christianity at December 23rd, 2012 - 8:33 am

It’s a Sunday Open thread.

 

As a theme for this thread here is some ‘religion’ / history for this Sunday Morning: Today is the celebration of the 10 Martyrs of Crete in the Orthodox Tradition.

The Ten Holy Martyrs of Crete were a group of ten Christian men from Crete who suffered martyrdom during the persecutions of emperor Decius during the third century. They are commemorated on December 23.

During the reign of the Roman emperor Decius from 249 to 251, Theodulus, Saturninus, Euporus, Gelasius, Eunician, who all were from Gortyn, Zoticus from Knossos, Pompius from Lebena, Agathopus from Panormos, Basilides from Kydonia (Hania), and Evaristus from Iraklion refused to worship at the shrine of the deity of the emperor Decius as god of Rome. The ten were brought before the governor of Crete, also named Decius. At their trial they steadfastly confessed their faith in Christ and refused to worship the emperor and other idols.

The men were then imprisoned and tortured for one month. But the torture did not change their opinions, and they continued to glorifying God. They were sentenced by the governor of Crete to be beheaded. Before their death they prayed that the Lord would enlighten their torturers with the light of the true Faith. Their executions took place in Alonion, a part of Gortyn now known to have been the main amphitheater of Gortyn.

During the reign of emperor Constantine I, the bodies of the ten saints were reburied. The site of the reburial is reported differently. In one, St. Paul of Constantinople is said to have taken the relics of the holy martyrs to Constantinople to serve as a protection for the city, and a source of blessings for the faithful. Another relates to a 1981 discovery of a sarcophagi during rescue excavation in Alonion of Gortyn as the burial site.

 

 

10 Holy Martyrs of Crete

The Ten Holy Martyrs of Crete: Theodulus, Saturninus, Euporus, Gelasius, Eunician, Zoticus, Pompius, Agathopus, Basilides and Evaristus suffered for Christ during the third century under the emperor Decius (249-251). The governor of Crete, also named Decius, fiercely persecuted the Church, and arrested anyone who believed in Christ. Once, ten Christians were brought before him from various cities of Crete, who at the trial steadfastly confessed their faith in Christ and refused to worship idols.

For thirty days they were subjected to cruel tortures, and with the help of God they all persevered, glorifying God. Before their death they prayed that the Lord would enlighten their torturers with the light of the true Faith. Since pain did not influence them, the saints were beheaded.

St Paul of Constantinople (November 6) visited Crete about a hundred years later. He took the relics of the holy martyrs to Constantinople to serve as a protection for the city, and a source of blessings for the faithful.

 

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83 Responses to “Sunday Open and The Ten Martyrs of Crete”
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  1. Moe Katz
    1 | December 23, 2012 9:18 am

    Are people from Crete called Cretins?


  2. Bumr50
    2 | December 23, 2012 9:20 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    Cretionists!

    Get off my blog!!

    //


  3. Moe Katz
    3 | December 23, 2012 9:22 am

    @ Bumr50:
    LOL!


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | December 23, 2012 9:23 am

    cretons?

    (yum!)


  5. coldwarrior
    5 | December 23, 2012 9:25 am

    socialized medicine…

    Hospital apologises to 38 families for appalling care that saw a patient starve to death
    An NHS hospital has apologised to 38 families after a patient starved to death and it left other dying people screaming in pain


  6. 6 | December 23, 2012 9:32 am

    Cretinism. Hmm, it’s a medical condition, I didn’t know that.


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | December 23, 2012 9:34 am

    @ MacDuff:
    congenital hypothyroidism.


  8. Bumr50
    8 | December 23, 2012 9:37 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Just saw this:

    Answers on drug switch elude family

    … John Kolesar, who had a number of medical issues, died on Aug. 15 of pneumonia, according to his death certificate. Three months later, his widow, Rosemary, received a phone call from the hospital, followed by a letter signed by Richard Collins, Jefferson Regional‘s chief medical officer.

    Her husband, prescribed the painkiller oxycodone, might not have received the drug, they told her.

    A pharmacy technician who handled medication packaging had stolen painkillers and substituted non-narcotic medication, the hospital said. He later was fired.

    “We are not able to determine if John, in fact, actually received any of the substituted non-narcotic drugs,” the hospital‘s letter stated.

    His family said they believe he never received any painkillers. They wonder whether the substitute drugs he received caused him harm and hastened his death.

    “I would like some kind of answer,” Nicole Kolesar said.

    Jefferson Regional officials refused to talk about the case because it remains “an active criminal investigation,” said hospital spokeswoman Mary Beth Lowery.

    The federal Drug Enforcement Administration and the U.S. Attorney‘s Office in Pittsburgh declined comment.

    Upon discovering what happened with the pharmacy technician, Jefferson Regional officials said they immediately notified the Pennsylvania Department of Health, which licenses hospitals, and the Attorney General‘s Bureau of Narcotics investigation and Drug Control. Officials at those agencies declined comment.

    ht- Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

    If there’s any justice on the world, that pharmacy tech is now going through withdrawal in lockup.


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | December 23, 2012 9:51 am

    @ Bumr50:

    i cringe every time i have to sign for oc’s or morphine. these things are tightly controlled, except in the pharmacy where they are packaged.


  10. Bumr50
    10 | December 23, 2012 9:51 am

    A good thread to remember this man:

    A 32-year-old Iranian who is a U.S. citizen and a Christian convert has been imprisoned without notice of any formal charges while visiting his family in Iran, according to his wife and attorneys in the U.S., who are now hoping that a media campaign will help set him free.

    The Rev. Saeed Abedini, who lives in the U.S. with his wife and two young children, was making one of his frequent visits to see his parents and the rest of his family in Iran, his country of origin and where he spent many years as a Christian leader and community organizer developing Iran’s underground home church communities for Christian converts.

    ht- Fox News


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | December 23, 2012 9:53 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    His family said they believe he never received any painkillers. They wonder whether the substitute drugs he received caused him harm and hastened his death.

    well, no.

    he did have more pain than needed but the lack of OC isnt going to kill him.

    it seems the nurses missed signs of his pain level on the pain level assessments tho. unless he had no signs or complaints.


  12. Bumr50
    12 | December 23, 2012 9:55 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    I assume only certain individuals have privileges to administer them?

    I’ve heard horror stories in the past of hospital staffers cutting open fent patches and taking them orally.

    Hopefully controls are tighter now.


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | December 23, 2012 9:55 am

    @ Bumr50:
    america wont do anything to help this christian. we only help the muzz.

    he is an americn citizen tho…that might make the state dept act.


  14. eaglesoars
    14 | December 23, 2012 9:58 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    that might make the state dept act.

    Don’t hold your breath. According to his Congresswoman, Illeana somebody, State and the WH did NOTHING for Jon Hammer.


  15. Bumr50
    15 | December 23, 2012 10:00 am

    Aside:

    I honestly don’t watch Fox News much anymore, but I really do enjoy their Fox & Friends weekend segments. More so than the daily version.


  16. coldwarrior
    16 | December 23, 2012 10:04 am

    @ Bumr50:

    i have to sign for the meds, there has to be a witness if i have to waste some, we get random drug tests.


  17. coldwarrior
    17 | December 23, 2012 10:05 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    that might make the state dept act.
    Don’t hold your breath. According to his Congresswoman, Illeana somebody, State and the WH did NOTHING for Jon Hammer.

    they guy is a christian as well, so i wont hold my breath.


  18. 18 | December 23, 2012 10:08 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Check out the story on gun show attendance on their (Fox) website… Straight from Reuters, with all the lack of bias one would expect. (/)

    “Americans line up to buy assault weapons”

    Hey, if they were selling REAL assault weapons at an affordable price, I’d line up, too.


  19. Bumr50
    19 | December 23, 2012 10:09 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Was at GE early this morning cos’ me and the Mrs. are both under the weather.

    They took the freaking Tylenol Cold off of the shelf and moved it to the pharmacy, which wasn’t open.

    Oddly enough, I found Alka-Seltzer Cold tabs that contain the EXACT same ingredients on the shelf.


  20. Bumr50
    20 | December 23, 2012 10:14 am

    @ Mike C.:

    If I snuck up behind you and smashed a red brick over your head, I’m pretty sure you’d classify the brick as an “assault weapon.”

    Hell, it’s probably also a “hate crime” when you get right down to it.

    I’m sick of PC word games.


  21. coldwarrior
    21 | December 23, 2012 10:15 am

    @ Bumr50:

    i guess the meth phreaks havent figured out how to extract from seltzer tablets. or the guidelines are written by an imbecile.


  22. RIX
    22 | December 23, 2012 10:15 am

    The Wallstreet Journal has a report about the Fiscal negotitions
    between Boehner & Obama.
    Apparently Boehner pointed out his concesions and asked what he would
    get in return.
    Obama answered “You get nothing. I get that for free.”


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | December 23, 2012 10:16 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Hey, if they were selling REAL assault weapons at an affordable price, I’d line up, too.

    me too! i need to replace all of my guns that were lost in the blizzard / lahar of ’93.


  24. coldwarrior
    24 | December 23, 2012 10:18 am

    @ RIX:

    boehner should have congress pass plan b and then adjourn.


  25. Bumr50
    25 | December 23, 2012 10:24 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    There have been unverified reports of Paul Ryan replacing him.

    Ryan’s been a little cozy with leadership lately, but his style would be much better suited for a leadership role than what we’ve got.

    Boehner actually had a good idea trying to pass a Plan B, but I fear that HIS problem is that nobody likes or trusts him. Out here or on the Hill.


  26. Bumr50
    26 | December 23, 2012 10:25 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    pass a Plan B,

    Fixed.


  27. RIX
    27 | December 23, 2012 10:25 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ RIX:

    boehner should have congress pass plan b and then adjourn.

    He can’t seem to get enough votes.
    Obama is dedicated to failure here, because he sees it as
    an issue in his favor.


  28. Bumr50
    28 | December 23, 2012 10:27 am

    Poll: Boehner Replaces Pelosi as Least Popular Congressional Leader

    ht- Breitbart


  29. eaglesoars
    29 | December 23, 2012 10:31 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    but I fear that HIS problem is that nobody likes or trusts him

    Personally, he WAS well liked -- until he ‘purged’ the conservatives. THEN nobody trusted him. But even before that, the impression is that he was always getting rolled by Obama.


  30. coldwarrior
    30 | December 23, 2012 10:31 am

    @ Bumr50:
    @ RIX:

    boehner is a liability. he is weak and unpopular. this is a bonus for the dems. until he is gone, congress is fairly useless.


  31. coldwarrior
    31 | December 23, 2012 10:31 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    the conservatives need to purge him now. they have the power to do so.


  32. eaglesoars
    32 | December 23, 2012 10:33 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    the conservatives need to purge him now. they have the power to do so.

    I don’t think they do. And a vote to dump him is a vote to be removed from your own committee leadership.

    I need a nap

    later


  33. RIX
    33 | December 23, 2012 10:37 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    @ RIX:

    boehner is a liability. he is weak and unpopular. this is a bonus for the dems. until he is gone, congress is fairly useless.

    He might be replaced by Paul Ryan.


  34. coldwarrior
    34 | December 23, 2012 10:37 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    then we have a spineless congress. sad days.


  35. coldwarrior
    35 | December 23, 2012 10:41 am

    ya know, some folks just take the joy and magic out of everything.
    it must be miserable to be associated with this guy.

    Most importantly of all, grown-ups can believe it too. The lie of Father Christmas is an adult conspiracy to trap children in a contrived world of wonder and amazement.

    miserable progressive.


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | December 23, 2012 10:42 am

    @ RIX:

    that would be an improvement.


  37. mawskrat
    37 | December 23, 2012 10:42 am

    hoping the Steelers will be martyrs for the Bengals
    cause today./


  38. RIX
    38 | December 23, 2012 10:43 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    The Chicago Tribune is saying that there is a movement for
    Ryan.


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | December 23, 2012 10:44 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    hoping the Steelers will be martyrs for the Bengals
    cause today./

    me too, i dont want the steelers to win any more games this year. the season is lost and there is no reason to win and end up with lower draft picks.

    rest the starters, give the 3d team a chance to play ‘live’


  40. coldwarrior
    40 | December 23, 2012 10:45 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The Chicago Tribune is saying that there is a movement for
    Ryan.

    unpopular and spineless is no way to be a leader. time for the bawler to go.


  41. RIX
    41 | December 23, 2012 10:47 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The Chicago Tribune is saying that there is a movement for
    Ryan.

    unpopular and spineless is no way to be a leader. time for the bawler to go.

    Just didn’t work out.


  42. mawskrat
    42 | December 23, 2012 10:50 am

    was reading on Simo Häyhä, he was a pain in the Russians Butt.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1fZHoHkoRo


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | December 23, 2012 10:59 am

    @ mawskrat:

    quite a record


  44. lobo91
    44 | December 23, 2012 11:05 am

    I’m supposed to be on my way to New Mexico right now, but I have to go play mechanic instead. The heater on my car decided to go on vacation yesterday.

    It seems to be an electrical problem. It worked fine on Friday.

    Hopefully, it’s just a fuse.


  45. Bumr50
    45 | December 23, 2012 11:11 am

    @ lobo91:

    I had an 81 Rabbit that just didn’t have a heater core.

    Ran it for two winters like that.

    Brrrr.

    (OTOH, the little engine heated up quick!)


  46. coldwarrior
    46 | December 23, 2012 11:14 am

    @ Bumr50:

    84 gti!

    loved that car.


  47. coldwarrior
    47 | December 23, 2012 11:16 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I had an 81 Rabbit that just didn’t have a heater core.

    did they forget to put one in at he westmoreland plant?


  48. huckfunn
    48 | December 23, 2012 11:19 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I had an 81 Rabbit that just didn’t have a heater core.

    Ran it for two winters like that.

    Brrrr.

    (OTOH, the little engine heated up quick!)

    I had a ’64 VW Bug that never had heater to begin with. There were little vents on the floor that I would push open with my foot and heat from the engine would kinda drift up. No heater, thus no fan for the no heater.


  49. lobo91
    49 | December 23, 2012 11:22 am

    My main concern is no heat means no defroster, and I’m expecting to be in snow.


  50. Bumr50
    50 | December 23, 2012 11:22 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    No, technically it HAD a heater core -- it just had been inoperable for three years when I purchased it.

    I paid 600 dollars for the car.

    You should’ve seen what ANYBODY wanted to charge me to purchase and install the sucker.


  51. coldwarrior
    51 | December 23, 2012 11:24 am

    @ Bumr50:

    pull the dashboard and get down to the firewall.

    very expensive


  52. 52 | December 23, 2012 11:26 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    I had a ’64 VW Bug that never had heater to begin with. There were little vents on the floor that I would push open with my foot and heat from the engine would kinda drift up. No heater, thus no fan for the no heater.

    I had a ’71 bug with the same type of “heater”, just diverted heat from the engine. When it finally heated up it’d start burning your feet…we referred to it as a “popcorn popper”.


  53. heysoos
    53 | December 23, 2012 11:26 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    My main concern is no heat means no defroster, and I’m expecting to be in snow.

    it’s 24F up in Santa Fe right now….7200ft
    brrrr


  54. 54 | December 23, 2012 11:28 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Uh, did you turn the little knob on the floor between the front seats counter-clockwise? They were pretty good at warming up after the first 25-50 miles or so…


  55. huckfunn
    55 | December 23, 2012 11:32 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    I had a ’64 VW Bug that never had heater to begin with. There were little vents on the floor that I would push open with my foot and heat from the engine would kinda drift up. No heater, thus no fan for the no heater.

    I had a ’71 bug with the same type of “heater”, just diverted heat from the engine. When it finally heated up it’d start burning your feet…we referred to it as a “popcorn popper”.

    Now I remember that. Another interesting feature of my bug was the gas gauge. It was right there on the dashboard where one would expect it. However, it was just for show, was never functional and was basically just glued on. When I ran out of gas, there was a little lever on the floor that I would turn with my foot that would open the 2 gallon reserve and I was good for about another 40 or 50 miles. Alot of foot work involved with those old bugs. YABBADABBA-DOO!


  56. huckfunn
    56 | December 23, 2012 11:34 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Uh, did you turn the little knob on the floor between the front seats counter-clockwise? They were pretty good at warming up after the first 25-50 miles or so…

    Ah, the memories. That’s exactly how it worked. Mine was the advanced “tech” model so it came with a knob for both the driver and passenger side.


  57. 57 | December 23, 2012 11:40 am

    @ huckfunn:

    I loved my bug but it was quirky. There was some blockage behind the dash (I assumed) and whenever I ran it through the car wash suds would come through air vents on the dash. No water came through when it rained, just suds in the car wash. I had it looked at, but no one could ever quite figure it out.


  58. brookly red
    58 | December 23, 2012 11:41 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I had an 81 Rabbit that just didn’t have a heater core.

    Ran it for two winters like that.

    Brrrr.

    (OTOH, the little engine heated up quick!)

    I had a ’64 VW Bug that never had heater to begin with. There were little vents on the floor that I would push open with my foot and heat from the engine would kinda drift up. No heater, thus no fan for the no heater.

    and if you lost the keys you could push-start it LOL


  59. 59 | December 23, 2012 11:42 am

    Looks like Boehner might have a challenger for the Speakership here soon.

    Let’s hope he gets the boot.


  60. huckfunn
    60 | December 23, 2012 11:44 am

    @ MacDuff:
    You washed yours?!? In a car wash!?! One problem that mine used to have was bent push rods. The engine would start clattering and I knew I had a bent push rod. Simple solution. The valve covers were held on with sort of a clip thing. Flip the clip, pull off the valve cover, pull out the old push rod and replace with new. Apply new gasket, put the valve cover back on, flip the clip and down the road I’d go. Always kept a couple of spare gaskets and push rods.


  61. lobo91
    61 | December 23, 2012 11:45 am

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    My main concern is no heat means no defroster, and I’m expecting to be in snow.
    it’s 24F up in Santa Fe right now….7200ft
    brrrr

    Pretty typical morning here this time of year.


  62. huckfunn
    62 | December 23, 2012 11:50 am

    brookly red wrote:

    and if you lost the keys you could push-start it LOL

    Yep. Also, good for a dead battery. I would always wait until the battery was dead and a half before replacing it. A rebuilt one cost $15 or $20 and where was was anyone gonna get that kind of dough and still have enough left over for beer and a lid of ganja? Always park on a slope. And there’s Huck’s tip o’ the day. :wink:


  63. coldwarrior
    63 | December 23, 2012 11:52 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Always park on a slope. And there’s Huck’s tip o’ the day. :wink:

    words to live by for sure!


  64. 64 | December 23, 2012 11:53 am

    62 Ghia, 64 Beetle, 68 Beetle, 72 Westphalia Camper Bus (no pop-top)… After that I switched over to heavy American iron -- Ford E-100 with the straight six and the 3-on-the-tree tranny.


  65. huckfunn
    65 | December 23, 2012 11:56 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Always park on a slope. And there’s Huck’s tip o’ the day.

    words to live by for sure!

    If I had a tattoo, it would say (in gothic letters) “Always Park on a Slope”. :grin:


  66. brookly red
    66 | December 23, 2012 11:58 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    and if you lost the keys you could push-start it LOL

    Yep. Also, good for a dead battery. I would always wait until the battery was dead and a half before replacing it. A rebuilt one cost $15 or $20 and where was was anyone gonna get that kind of dough and still have enough left over for beer and a lid of ganja? Always park on a slope. And there’s Huck’s tip o’ the day.

    as I recall they could also actually float… when the low spot on the parkway flooded you could drive into it and float 40 or 50 feet across.


  67. 67 | December 23, 2012 12:00 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    You washed yours?!? In a car wash!?! One problem that mine used to have was bent push rods. The engine would start clattering and I knew I had a bent push rod. Simple solution. The valve covers were held on with sort of a clip thing. Flip the clip, pull off the valve cover, pull out the old push rod and replace with new. Apply new gasket, put the valve cover back on, flip the clip and down the road I’d go. Always kept a couple of spare gaskets and push rods.

    The sound of those old bugs reminded me of sewing machines. After I got out of the Navy, I drove that bug across the country and back, three times -- cooler of beer in the back seat and a bag of weed in the passenger seat. Good times!


  68. 68 | December 23, 2012 12:02 pm

    New ones could float. You had to crack a window to close the door without using excessive force.


  69. brookly red
    69 | December 23, 2012 12:04 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    New ones could float. You had to crack a window to close the door without using excessive force.

    your right. I remember if you slammed the door from the inside you risked popping your ear drums.


  70. 70 | December 23, 2012 12:04 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    as I recall they could also actually float… when the low spot on the parkway flooded you could drive into it and float 40 or 50 feet across.

    Yes they could, it was even part of their ad campaign…


  71. huckfunn
    71 | December 23, 2012 12:06 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    The sound of those old bugs reminded me of sewing machines. After I got out of the Navy, I drove that bug across the country and back, three times — cooler of beer in the back seat and a bag of weed in the passenger seat. Good times!

    My frequent journey in my bug was between Dallas and Alamogordo… with 1 pal in the passenger seat and 2 in the back. Same menu of refreshments. Hauling 4 guys was quite a load for that bug. The good thing was that I could coast all of the way from Cloudcroft to Alamagordo. A bit more laborious going from Rocket City to Cloudcroft.


  72. huckfunn
    72 | December 23, 2012 12:09 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    @ brookly red:
    Mine would probably not float. It was just a little bit hammered. Much like its master in those days.


  73. 73 | December 23, 2012 12:10 pm

    Friend of mine in college had a 59 bus -- pickup truck version, 2 seat. Had the 36 HP engine. Going up and over Brush Mtn. in that thing was an exercise in patience…


  74. Bumr50
    75 | December 23, 2012 12:18 pm

    Marines’ new alcohol policy strictest in U.S. military

    The Marine Corps‘ new on-duty standard for drinking alcohol is so strict that less than one drink at lunch would trigger a “positive” and get a warrior in hot water.

    The Washington Times reported earlier this week that the Corps sent a Dec. 12 message to commanders officially beginning mandatory breath tests for all 197,000 Marines twice each year.

    A reading of just .01 percent subjects a Marine to counseling. A Marine who registers a .04 must be examined by medical staff for fitness for duty.

    Emph. mine.

    Wow.

    Gotta go do Christmas No.1 of 3.

    BBL kids…


  75. huckfunn
    77 | December 23, 2012 12:23 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Friend of mine in college had a 59 bus — pickup truck version, 2 seat. Had the 36 HP engine. Going up and over Brush Mtn. in that thing was an exercise in patience…

    … and low gear. My wife’s niece showed up at our house about 15 years ago with her then current squeeze. They had mid-60′s VW bus and I think it had the pop-up. The guy was really into automotive art. He made several pool tables out of old Corvair bodies. At any rate, he had created a custom badge for the side of the bus. It read “Van de Ville”. Looked pretty cool.


  76. Da_Beerfreak
    78 | December 23, 2012 12:27 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Blasphemy!!

    Burn Heretic!!


  77. huckfunn
    79 | December 23, 2012 12:27 pm

    Hip hip… hurrah! Prince Hairy kills talibunny commander with a Hellfire. That lad needs a little R&R in some relaxing place… maybe Vegas?


  78. brookly red
    80 | December 23, 2012 12:36 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Blasphemy!!

    Burn Heretic!!

    turbo-charged :)


  79. lobo91
    81 | December 23, 2012 12:40 pm

    Well, I reached the limit of my ability (or desire) to troubleshoot the problem. The fuses are good, and I can hear the relay click when I turn the fan switch on. Seems to me that means there’s a problem with the fan motor or the wiring going to it.

    Dismantling the dash to get to it doesn’t really sound appealing to me at the moment. Maybe if it was 25 degrees warmer outside.

    Of course, then I wouldn’t care about it.

    Bleh.


  80. huckfunn
    82 | December 23, 2012 12:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Well, I reached the limit of my ability (or desire) to troubleshoot the problem.

    Sorry to hear of yer troubles. A buddy and I once drove from Alamogordo to Denver, in January, in a ’56 Pontiac with no heater and yawning holes in the floor boards. No problem. Just be sure and have an ice scraper for inside the windshield.


  81. heysoos
    83 | December 23, 2012 12:53 pm

    big game in Dallas, playoff caliber…
    lose today to NO and playoff chances almost vanish


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