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Bloomberg and LaPierre – hubris v. humbug

by Speranza ( 131 Comments › )
Filed under Democratic Party, government, Republican Party, Weapons at December 25th, 2012 - 7:00 pm

A good take down of two phonies – Michael Bloomberg and Wyane LaPierre.

by Ross Douthat

FOR a week after the Newtown shooting, the conversation was dominated by the self-righteous certainties of the American center-left. In print and on the airwaves, the chorus was nearly universal: the only possible response to Adam Lanza’s rampage was an immediate crusade for gun control, the necessary firearm restrictions were all self-evident, and anyone who doubted their efficacy had the blood of children on his hands.

The leading gun control chorister was Michael Bloomberg, and this was fitting, because on a range of issues New York’s mayor has become the de facto spokesman for the self-consciously centrist liberalism of the Acela Corridor elite. Like so many members of that class, Bloomberg combines immense talent with immense provincialism: his view of American politics is basically the famous New Yorker cover showing Manhattan’s West Side overshadowing the world, and his bedrock assumption is that the liberal paternalism with which New York is governed can and should be a model for the nation as a whole.

It’s an assumption that cries out to be challenged by a thoughtful center-right. If you look at the specific proposals being offered by Bloomberg and others, some just look like reruns of assault weapon regulations that had no obvious effect the last time they were tried. [........]

But instead of a kind of skepticism and sifting from conservatives, after a week of liberal self-righteousness the spotlight passed instead to … Wayne LaPierre. And no Stephen Colbert parody of conservatism could match the National Rifle Association spokesman’s performance on Friday morning.

It wasn’t so much that LaPierre’s performance made no concession whatsoever on gun restrictions or gun safety — that was to be expected. It was that he launched into a rambling diatribe against an absurdly wide array of targets, blaming everything from media sensationalism to “gun-free schools” signs to ’90s-vintage nihilism like “Natural Born Killers” for the Newtown tragedy. Then he proposed, as an alternative to the liberal heavy-handedness of gun control, something equally heavy-handed — a cop in every school, to be paid for by that right-wing old reliable, cuts to foreign aid.

Unfortunately for our country, the Bloomberg versus LaPierre contrast is basically all of American politics today. Our society is divided between an ascendant center-left that’s far too confident in its own rigor and righteousness and a conservatism that’s marched into an ideological cul-de-sac and is currently battering its head against the wall.

[.........]

The establishment view is interventionist, corporatist and culturally liberal. It thinks that issues like health care and climate change and immigration are best worked out through comprehensive bills drawn up by enlightened officials working hand in glove with business interests. It regards sexual liberty as sacrosanct, and other liberties — from the freedoms of churches to the rights of gun owners — as negotiable at best. It thinks that the elite should pay slightly higher taxes, and everyone else should give up guns, SUVs and Big Gulps and live more like, well, Manhattanites. It allows the president an entirely free hand overseas, and takes the Bush-Obama continuities in foreign policy for granted.

The right-wing view is embittered, paranoid and confused. It opposes anything the establishment supports but doesn’t know what it wants to do instead. (Defund government or protect Medicare? Break up the banks or deregulate them? Send more troops to Libya or don’t get involved? Protect our liberties or put our schools on lockdown?) Sometimes the right’s “just say no” approach holds the establishment at bay — as on climate change and immigration, to date. But sometimes, as the House Republicans are demonstrating in the budget showdown, it makes the eventual defeat that much more sweeping.

What’s missing, meanwhile, are real alternatives — not only conservative, but left-wing as well. On national security, the left has essentially disappeared, sitting on its hands while President Obama embraces powers every bit as imperial as those his predecessor claimed.  [.......]

As for a conservatism with a serious program, and a real understanding of the challenges facing America today — well, hopefully it will surface by the 2016 presidential campaign. Till then, it’s the hubris of Bloomberg versus the humbug of LaPierre. Merry Christmas, America.

Read the rest – Bloomberg,  LaPierre and the void

 

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131 Responses to “Bloomberg and LaPierre – hubris v. humbug”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | December 25, 2012 7:05 pm

    Bloomberg is insufferable and La Pierre talks like an idiot. I personally have little use for either of them. Things do not always have to be an either/or proposition.


  2. Speranza
    2 | December 25, 2012 7:18 pm

    Watch Obama reference Newtown in his SOTU address.


  3. buzzsawmonkey
    3 | December 25, 2012 7:26 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Watch Obama reference Newtown in his SOTU address.

    I’m hoping he references Michelle’s efforts to screw around with the American diet, so that it can be referred to as the “TOFU SOTU.”


  4. 96cid
    4 | December 25, 2012 7:33 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Watch Obama reference Newtown in his SOTU address.
    I’m hoping he references Michelle’s efforts to screw around with the American diet, so that it can be referred to as the “TOFU SOTU.”

    The local high school is losing money with the cafeteria. No one likes the food and many students are bringing their lunch.


  5. 5 | December 25, 2012 7:36 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ 96cid:

    The Обама Fucked Up State Of The Union. Makes perfect sense to me!


  6. lobo91
    6 | December 25, 2012 7:43 pm

    Don’t like Lapierre’s proposals? Ignore them.

    Last time I checked, he isn’t an elected official, and none of the perpetrators of these mass shootings have been NRA members, so it’s really not up to him to offer up solutions to problems caused by the failed policies of the left.


  7. brookly red
    7 | December 25, 2012 7:49 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Watch Obama reference Newtown in his SOTU address.

    I posted this at the end of the last thread but I think it’s worth repeating, http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service

    those that can afford to already have school security, bit of a double standard, no?


  8. Speranza
    8 | December 25, 2012 7:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Watch Obama reference Newtown in his SOTU address.

    I posted this at the end of the last thread but I think it’s worth repeating, http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service
    those that can afford to already have school security, bit of a double standard, no?

    David Gregory of NBC has a daughter who goes to that school too.


  9. buzzsawmonkey
    9 | December 25, 2012 7:52 pm

    96cid wrote:

    The local high school is losing money with the cafeteria. No one likes the food and many students are bringing their lunch.

    There have already been instances where the school authorities have confiscated perfectly acceptable from-home lunches that students have brought, and forced the students to purchase federally-approved WookieMeals™.

    Look for that to become more common in the next few years.


  10. lobo91
    10 | December 25, 2012 7:52 pm

    @ brookly red:

    those that can afford to already have school security, bit of a double standard, no?

    Given the amount of administrative bloat in most school districts, it’s not really a matter of money.

    It’s priorities.

    As the president of the AFT said, students will be their priority “as soon as they start paying dues.”


  11. buzzsawmonkey
    11 | December 25, 2012 7:52 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    David Gregory of NBC has a daughter

    Astounding that he was capable of reproducing.


  12. Speranza
    12 | December 25, 2012 7:53 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I’m hoping he references Michelle’s efforts to screw around with the American diet, so that it can be referred to as the “TOFU SOTU.”

    The media would swoon but the rest of the nation would probably give pout a big “WTF”?


  13. Speranza
    13 | December 25, 2012 7:53 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    David Gregory of NBC has a daughter

    Astounding that he was capable of reproducing.

    He is kind of creepy looking.


  14. 14 | December 25, 2012 7:55 pm

    I think we need to improve security in schools partly through controlled access (although that didn’t work so well at Newtown) and through arming some of the teachers & staff.

    I don’t support much gun control, but I can understand calls to limit at least some weapons, whether I agree with it or not.

    Where do you draw the line on who shouldn’t be able to own a gun? Felons, of course. But what mental issues? And who determines what problems someone has?

    Why don’t we hear what the left calls ‘reasonable’ gun control? Or do I really want to know?


  15. brookly red
    15 | December 25, 2012 7:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Watch Obama reference Newtown in his SOTU address.

    I posted this at the end of the last thread but I think it’s worth repeating, http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service
    those that can afford to already have school security, bit of a double standard, no?

    David Gregory of NBC has a daughter who goes to that school too.

    under the circumstances it is going to be hard to dismiss the idea of school security with out looking like the hypocrites that they are.


  16. Speranza
    16 | December 25, 2012 7:55 pm

    So Christmas has come and is about to go. I always felt that the anticipation of the holidays was always more fun then the actually holiday(s) itself. Just think -- another 10 months and Bill O’Reilly can renew his perpetual jihad of “The war on Christmas” again.


  17. buzzsawmonkey
    17 | December 25, 2012 7:55 pm

    I’m still anticipating that Obama will nationalize the defunct Hostess facilities to “save the union jobs”—and force Michelle-approved cardboard cupcakes on schools from coast to coast.


  18. brookly red
    18 | December 25, 2012 7:56 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    Why don’t we hear what the left calls ‘reasonable’ gun control? Or do I really want to know?

    easy… they have em, you don’t. reasonable.


  19. Speranza
    19 | December 25, 2012 7:57 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    under the circumstances it is going to be hard to dismiss the idea of school security with out looking like the hypocrites that they are.

    Don’t underestimate their shamelessness and with few actually calling them out they feel they can get away with it. Former Mayor Lindsay of NYC was a huge hypocrite lecturing every one on school busing all the while sending his kids to private schools.


  20. buzzsawmonkey
    20 | December 25, 2012 7:57 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    Why don’t we hear what the left calls ‘reasonable’ gun control?

    The entire Leftist playbook is to kick and scream and make objections to whatever exists, and to whatever is proposed to attempt to “meet their objections.”

    Look at Obama; he never actually proposes anything. He merely rejects the offerings that Boehner brings him.


  21. Speranza
    21 | December 25, 2012 7:57 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I’m still anticipating that Obama will nationalize the defunct Hostess facilities to “save the union jobs”—and force Michelle-approved cardboard cupcakes on schools from coast to coast.

    Cupcakes minus the sugar -- that will taste real good. /


  22. lobo91
    22 | December 25, 2012 7:59 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    Where do you draw the line on who shouldn’t be able to own a gun? Felons, of course. But what mental issues? And who determines what problems someone has?

    The guy who ambushed firefighters in NY yesterday after setting his house on fire was a convicted murderer. He clearly wasn’t legally able to own a gun. Yet he did.

    Why don’t we hear what the left calls ‘reasonable’ gun control? Or do I really want to know?

    Like everything else, their plans for gun control are based on incrementalism. They start out with something relatively benign, and when that has no effect on the problem, they take another bite.


  23. brookly red
    23 | December 25, 2012 7:59 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    under the circumstances it is going to be hard to dismiss the idea of school security with out looking like the hypocrites that they are.

    Don’t underestimate their shamelessness and with few actually calling them out they feel they can get away with it. Former Mayor Lindsay of NYC was a huge hypocrite lecturing every one on school busing all the while sending his kids to private schools.

    My biggest fear is that they will come up with a huge new federal program “the national school safety authority” (unionized of course) based on the TSA


  24. brookly red
    24 | December 25, 2012 8:02 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I’m still anticipating that Obama will nationalize the defunct Hostess facilities to “save the union jobs”—and force Michelle-approved cardboard cupcakes on schools from coast to coast.

    yes but the cupcakes will cost 60 bucks each and burst into flames if you drop them…


  25. buzzsawmonkey
    25 | December 25, 2012 8:03 pm

    The Mother Hive, by Rudyard Kipling.

    Read it, for it is good.


  26. 26 | December 25, 2012 8:03 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The schools are going to have some very pissed parents. When I was in public school (k-3), I ate school lunches maybe once a week. Mom would have raised some hell if the food police had trashed what she made, then billed them.


  27. brookly red
    27 | December 25, 2012 8:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Like everything else, their plans for gun control are based on incrementalism. They start out with something relatively benign, and when that has no effect on the problem, they take another bite.

    generally that is the way they work but I think they are so emboldened that they might try smash & grab.


  28. 28 | December 25, 2012 8:10 pm

    @ lobo91:
    What would you do to help stop future attacks?


  29. lobo91
    29 | December 25, 2012 8:13 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    What would you do to help stop future attacks?

    There is no practical way to prevent people from attempting to carry out such attacks, anymore than we can really prevent terrorism.

    The only thing we can do is harden the potential targets.


  30. 30 | December 25, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Harden targets how?


  31. brookly red
    31 | December 25, 2012 8:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    What would you do to help stop future attacks?

    There is no practical way to prevent people from attempting to carry out such attacks, anymore than we can really prevent terrorism.

    The only thing we can do is harden the potential targets.

    and guns are not the only threat. http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/Chinese-man-drives-car-into-students-injuring-13-4144574.php


  32. lobo91
    32 | December 25, 2012 8:19 pm

    @ brookly red:

    and guns are not the only threat.

    Exactly. The biggest mass murder at a school was carried out using dynamite. And just recently, some guy in China attacked a bunch of kids with a knife.


  33. lobo91
    33 | December 25, 2012 8:20 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Harden targets how?

    A combination of physical security measures and armed security of some sort.


  34. buzzsawmonkey
    34 | December 25, 2012 8:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Exactly. The biggest mass murder at a school was carried out using dynamite. And just recently, some guy in China attacked a bunch of kids with a knife.

    The biggest mass murder in the US school system is the wholesale slaughter of young minds that is daily accomplished by the teachers who are acolytes of “distinguished education professor” Bill Ayers.


  35. brookly red
    35 | December 25, 2012 8:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    A combination of physical security measures and armed security of some sort.

    we have cops in NYC schools albeit for different reasons.


  36. lobo91
    36 | December 25, 2012 8:23 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The biggest mass murder in the US school system is the wholesale slaughter of young minds that is daily accomplished by the teachers who are acolytes of “distinguished education professor” Bill Ayers.

    And before him, Dewey.


  37. brookly red
    37 | December 25, 2012 8:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Exactly. The biggest mass murder at a school was carried out using dynamite. And just recently, some guy in China attacked a bunch of kids with a knife.

    The biggest mass murder in the US school system is the wholesale slaughter of young minds that is daily accomplished by the teachers who are acolytes of “distinguished education professor” Bill Ayers.

    well I don’t think better dead then red applies here…


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    38 | December 25, 2012 8:31 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well I don’t think better dead then red applies here…

    No, but it’s a damn shame that the current pedagogy is dedicated to the kids’ being brain-dead, ill-read, and red…


  39. brookly red
    39 | December 25, 2012 8:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Harden targets how?

    A combination of physical security measures and armed security of some sort.

    I think is perfectly reasonable to have security in schools in post 9/11 America, our enemies have a history of targeting schools/school buses/children in general… we have more than sicko’s to worry about the ROP is still out there and I am sure they are taking notes.


  40. brookly red
    40 | December 25, 2012 8:33 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    well I don’t think better dead then red applies here…

    No, but it’s a damn shame that the current pedagogy is dedicated to the kids’ being brain-dead, ill-read, and red…

    personally I never saw any mention of an educational system in the Constitution, did you?


  41. buzzsawmonkey
    41 | December 25, 2012 8:35 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    personally I never saw any mention of an educational system in the Constitution, did you?

    No, me neither.


  42. lobo91
    42 | December 25, 2012 8:36 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I think is perfectly reasonable to have security in schools in post 9/11 America, our enemies have a history of targeting schools/school buses/children in general… we have more than sicko’s to worry about the ROP is still out there and I am sure they are taking notes.

    I would assume that they are. I’m honestly surprised that we haven’t had a Beslan-style attack here yet.


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    43 | December 25, 2012 8:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m honestly surprised that we haven’t had a Beslan-style attack here yet.

    The :Left is more worried about an Aslan-style attack of Christianity in the schools.


  44. brookly red
    44 | December 25, 2012 8:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I think is perfectly reasonable to have security in schools in post 9/11 America, our enemies have a history of targeting schools/school buses/children in general… we have more than sicko’s to worry about the ROP is still out there and I am sure they are taking notes.

    I would assume that they are. I’m honestly surprised that we haven’t had a Beslan-style attack here yet.

    heh, http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/24/Merry-Christmas-immigrants-Obama-Holder-push-to-loosen-alien-gun-sales-restrictions


  45. lobo91
    45 | December 25, 2012 8:43 pm

    @ brookly red:

    If we’re going to give them drivers licenses, let them vote and not deport them, we may as well give them guns, too.
    //


  46. brookly red
    46 | December 25, 2012 8:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    If we’re going to give them drivers licenses, let them vote and not deport them, we may as well give them guns, too.
    //

    well if we let an armed force in it would be treason, be if we let them in and THEN arm them it is community organizing


  47. taxfreekiller
    47 | December 25, 2012 8:51 pm

    Great thread going on over at
    http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

    A few trolls enter in with faith in false data as their rebutal.

    Sad, but how to deal with the fraud is the discussion.


  48. Bumr50
    48 | December 25, 2012 8:52 pm

    It’s A Sad Day!

    ht -- George Romanoff, Owner, Ace Sporting Goods, Washington, PA


  49. taxfreekiller
    49 | December 25, 2012 8:53 pm

    Best way to not be a target is to attack first.


  50. brookly red
    50 | December 25, 2012 8:53 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m honestly surprised that we haven’t had a Beslan-style attack here yet.

    The :Left is more worried about an Aslan-style attack of Christianity in the schools.

    seriously, the ROP has attacked schools in Israel, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Thailand and that’s just what I can think of off the top of my head.


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | December 25, 2012 8:56 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    seriously, the ROP has attacked schools in Israel, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Thailand and that’s just what I can think of off the top of my head.

    Oh, I agree—but I stand by what I said, that the Left is more concerned about Aslan than Beslan.

    The only reason I can imagine that we haven’t seen something like that here is that in some recess of the Islamist mind there is a realization that the US can get really nasty when the nation as a whole is pissed off—and that despite our having Obama in charge they are unwilling to risk it.


  52. brookly red
    52 | December 25, 2012 9:00 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    that the US can get really nasty when the nation as a whole is pissed off

    yeah thought I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil, for I am the meanest son of a bitch in the valley.


  53. buzzsawmonkey
    53 | December 25, 2012 9:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    yeah thought I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil, for I am the meanest son of a bitch in the valley.

    Build on the flanks of Etna where the sullen smoke-puffs float—
    Or bathe in tropic waters where the lean fin dogs the boat—
    Cock the gun that is not loaded, cook the frozen dynamite—
    But oh, beware my Country, when my Country grows polite!

    —Rudyard Kipling, “Et Dona Ferentes”


  54. brookly red
    54 | December 25, 2012 9:06 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    But oh, beware my Country, when my Country grows polite!

    politeness is a illness NYers are immune to :)


  55. Moe Katz
    55 | December 25, 2012 9:14 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    But oh, beware my Country, when my Country grows polite!
    politeness is a illness NYers are immune to

    I lived in Queens for a year, IMHO the stereotype is highly exaggerated.


  56. brookly red
    56 | December 25, 2012 9:17 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    But oh, beware my Country, when my Country grows polite!
    politeness is a illness NYers are immune to

    I lived in Queens for a year, IMHO the stereotype is highly exaggerated.

    it’s called Queens for a reason, :)


  57. Moe Katz
    57 | December 25, 2012 9:21 pm

    @ brookly red:
    It’s more likely my own natural rudeness, I just felt right at home in NY.


  58. 58 | December 25, 2012 9:23 pm

    @ brookly red:

    it’s called Queens for a reason

    Don’t hate! :lol:


  59. Moe Katz
    59 | December 25, 2012 9:23 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Again, the idea of being the meanest sonofabitch in the valley….


  60. brookly red
    60 | December 25, 2012 9:23 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    It’s more likely my own natural rudeness, I just felt right at home in NY.

    well there you go, were rude not inhospitable


  61. Moe Katz
    61 | December 25, 2012 9:24 pm

    I acquired an orange tomcat there, whom I named Archie…


  62. 62 | December 25, 2012 9:24 pm

    @ lobo91:
    And that kind of attack would be the result of Islamophobia.


  63. Moe Katz
    63 | December 25, 2012 9:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    It’s more likely my own natural rudeness, I just felt right at home in NY.

    well there you go, were rude not inhospitable

    That’s true.


  64. brookly red
    64 | December 25, 2012 9:26 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Again, the idea of being the meanest sonofabitch in the valley….

    in reference to Buzz’s Americans can get nasty…


  65. brookly red
    65 | December 25, 2012 9:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    it’s called Queens for a reason

    Don’t hate!

    you never let me have any fun at all… sheesh


  66. Moe Katz
    66 | December 25, 2012 9:31 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I really miss NY. People are more intense, somehow. Like color TV as opposed to B&W.


  67. brookly red
    67 | December 25, 2012 9:31 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I really miss NY. People are more intense, somehow. Like color TV as opposed to B&W.

    come on down!


  68. Moe Katz
    68 | December 25, 2012 9:34 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I’d love to!


  69. brookly red
    69 | December 25, 2012 9:38 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I’d love to!

    I know where to get lox wholesale :)


  70. Bumr50
    70 | December 25, 2012 9:38 pm

    OT, and very sorry, but:

    In the dock worker labor talks, issues including wages are unresolved, but the key sticking point is container royalties, which are payments to union workers based on cargo weight.

    Port operators and shipping companies want to cap the royalties at last year’s levels. They say the royalties have morphed into a huge expense unrelated to their original purpose and amount to a bonus averaging $15,500 a year for East Coast workers already earning more than $50 an hour.

    The longshoremen’s union says the payments are an important supplemental wage, not a bonus.

    Ahem…

    “Tommy used to work on the dock…”


  71. Moe Katz
    71 | December 25, 2012 9:42 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I wish I could find cheap lox up here.


  72. brookly red
    72 | December 25, 2012 9:43 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    OT, and very sorry, but:

    In the dock worker labor talks, issues including wages are unresolved, but the key sticking point is container royalties, which are payments to union workers based on cargo weight.

    Port operators and shipping companies want to cap the royalties at last year’s levels. They say the royalties have morphed into a huge expense unrelated to their original purpose and amount to a bonus averaging $15,500 a year for East Coast workers already earning more than $50 an hour.

    The longshoremen’s union says the payments are an important supplemental wage, not a bonus.

    Ahem…

    “Tommy used to work on the dock…”

    have the national guard unload the ships and shoot sabotoures


  73. brookly red
    73 | December 25, 2012 9:43 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I wish I could find cheap lox up here.

    where is up here?


  74. Bumr50
    74 | December 25, 2012 9:44 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Republicans could use this as great propaganda, but they probably won’t.


  75. brookly red
    75 | December 25, 2012 9:45 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Republicans could use this as great propaganda, but they probably won’t.

    hey let them strike, let the people do without, let them own it.


  76. Moe Katz
    76 | December 25, 2012 9:49 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I wish I could find cheap lox up here.

    where is up here?

    Quebec City, Quebec.


  77. 77 | December 25, 2012 9:49 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    That bonus is a big chunk of what I make in a year.


  78. brookly red
    78 | December 25, 2012 9:56 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I wish I could find cheap lox up here.

    where is up here?

    Quebec City, Quebec.

    Le Petit Chateau Haldimand… ask for trimmings.


  79. Bumr50
    79 | December 25, 2012 9:57 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    Sign me up.


  80. brookly red
    80 | December 25, 2012 9:57 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    That bonus is a big chunk of what I make in a year.

    you got a problem wit dat?


  81. Moe Katz
    81 | December 25, 2012 10:00 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Le Petit Chateau Haldimand… ask for trimmings.</blockquote
    You stayed there?


  82. Moe Katz
    82 | December 25, 2012 10:01 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Seven degrees F right now, going down to 3 overnight.


  83. 83 | December 25, 2012 10:02 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I wonder what that adds to what I pay at the store? One more reason to buy American!


  84. brookly red
    84 | December 25, 2012 10:05 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Le Petit Chateau Haldimand… ask for trimmings.</blockquote
    You stayed there?

    no Le Château Frontenac, I am a spoiled NYer


  85. Moe Katz
    85 | December 25, 2012 10:05 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Le Petit Chateau Haldimand… ask for trimmings.</blockquote
    You stayed there?

    no Le Château Frontenac, I am a spoiled NYer

    Tax the rich!


  86. brookly red
    86 | December 25, 2012 10:06 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I wonder what that adds to what I pay at the store? One more reason to buy American!

    hey the teamsters got to get it there… those trucks don’t drive demselves.


  87. buzzsawmonkey
    87 | December 25, 2012 10:09 pm

    I guess the “longshoreman bonus” is there to make up for containerized freight having cut down on pilferage.


  88. 88 | December 25, 2012 10:09 pm

    @ brookly red:
    True, but are their bonuses as extreme as the Longshoremen?


  89. brookly red
    89 | December 25, 2012 10:10 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Le Petit Chateau Haldimand… ask for trimmings.</blockquote
    You stayed there?

    no Le Château Frontenac, I am a spoiled NYer

    the weekday rates are reasonable considering there is no casino… and the service is excellent


  90. 90 | December 25, 2012 10:11 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Plus you’d only pay Teamsters, not both groups.


  91. brookly red
    91 | December 25, 2012 10:12 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    True, but are their bonuses as extreme as the Longshoremen?

    they are a nasty lot but they grow old fat and tired


  92. brookly red
    92 | December 25, 2012 10:14 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Plus you’d only pay Teamsters, not both groups.

    no, no you miss da point like the obama said you gotta spread it around.


  93. brookly red
    93 | December 25, 2012 10:15 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I guess the “longshoreman bonus” is there to make up for containerized freight having cut down on pilferage.

    you know you got a bad attitude…


  94. 94 | December 25, 2012 10:16 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Give to the poor unions only making $50/hr?


  95. Bumr50
    95 | December 25, 2012 10:16 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    @ brookly red:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I knew they made a good living.

    I didn’t know they were making it like that.


  96. Speranza
    96 | December 25, 2012 10:17 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Give to the poor unions only making $50/hr?

    But they stand for the “working man”. //


  97. Moe Katz
    97 | December 25, 2012 10:18 pm

    @ brookly red:
    The Canadian dollar being at parity the last 5 years doesn’t seem to have hurt tourism too badly here. I suppose most of the people who come from the States don’t have to worry about a 15 or 20 percent currency fluctuation.


  98. Bumr50
    98 | December 25, 2012 10:18 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    AFP or a like organization should make a HUGE ad buy if these guys actually strike.

    It doesn’t get much easier than : “Big Labor thinks that these people need more money.”


  99. heysoos
    99 | December 25, 2012 10:18 pm

    unions are expert with the shakedown, as good or better than the mob…all legal extortion….cool huh?


  100. Speranza
    100 | December 25, 2012 10:18 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Republicans could use this as great propaganda, but they probably won’t.

    There is a reason why they are known as the “Stupid Party”.


  101. Speranza
    101 | December 25, 2012 10:19 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    unions are expert with the shakedown, as good or better than the mob…all legal extortion….cool huh?

    After listening to Trumka and Hoffa, Jr., I’d say that the Gambino Crime Family is nicer.


  102. heysoos
    102 | December 25, 2012 10:20 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    The Canadian dollar being at parity the last 5 years doesn’t seem to have hurt tourism too badly here. I suppose most of the people who come from the States don’t have to worry about a 15 or 20 percent currency fluctuation.

    we used to visit Toronto for 60 cents to the dollar…lavish hotels, expensive food, life was good then


  103. Moe Katz
    103 | December 25, 2012 10:24 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    we used to visit Toronto for 60 cents to the dollar…lavish hotels, expensive food, life was good then

    Yeah, those were the days. I used to edit for NYC publishing houses, send my work down by courier and cash my checks at $1.60 to the CDN buck.


  104. brookly red
    104 | December 25, 2012 10:34 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    @ Bumr50:

    sheesh 50 bucks an hour is nothing, a frickin slice of pizza costs 3 bucks, to park my truck costs 15… another 15 for smokes, 12 bucks for tolls, 20 bucks for gas, Budweiser is 3 bucks a pop and that is the breakfast special for lunch it like 4… and I get outta work I gotta pay 50 bucks for a lap dance? wtf thats what 10 bucks a pimple? you know it’s hard work in this crane, the heater is for shit sometimes I gotta wear a hoddie, and like if it take me more that 40 minutes to take a dump I get docked.


  105. 105 | December 25, 2012 10:41 pm

    What’s the latest on Lily’s recovery?


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    106 | December 25, 2012 10:48 pm

    You think the Teamsters have it bad? The Hamsters are just spinning their wheels.


  107. lobo91
    107 | December 25, 2012 11:01 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    You think the Teamsters have it bad? The Hamsters are just spinning their wheels.

    Trumka looks like a hamster.

    //No offense to hamsters…


  108. Bumr50
    108 | December 25, 2012 11:02 pm

    Talk radio host Dana Loesch files suit in St. Louis against Breitbart.com

    What’s up with Dana Loesch?

    Did she get punked by Breitbart, or did she go to the mat for Akin?


  109. lobo91
    109 | December 25, 2012 11:07 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    It’s a contract dispute. Her contract with Breitbart.com ran out awhile back, and she continued working without a contract for several months. When she gave them 30 days notice that she was leaving, they basically refused to accept it.

    Now they’re trying to keep her from working anywhere else.


  110. Bumr50
    110 | December 25, 2012 11:14 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That sucks.


  111. lobo91
    111 | December 25, 2012 11:19 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    I read the filing yesterday, when I first heard about it. If it’s accurate, I don’t see any way she can lose. She followed the terms of her contract, and they refused to comply. Now they aren’t paying her, won’t let her work (although they continue to use her name in promotions) and are apparently trying to sabotage her attempts to get another job.


  112. yenta-fada
    112 | December 25, 2012 11:23 pm

    Well, I’m late to the party, but Merry Christmas!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RsK8mjEw2cE


  113. Da_Beerfreak
    113 | December 25, 2012 11:23 pm

    The Gee Oh Pee and a few other Right wingers could learn a lot from Wayne LaPierre on how to get your message out through a hostile media if they weren’t so damn full of themselves.


  114. lobo91
    114 | December 25, 2012 11:24 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Howdy


  115. yenta-fada
    115 | December 25, 2012 11:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Howdy

    Hola, senor lobo.


  116. lobo91
    116 | December 25, 2012 11:27 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The Gee Oh Pee and a few other Right wingers could learn a lot from Wayne LaPierre on how to get your message out through a hostile media if they weren’t so damn full of themselves.

    I’m enjoying the reaction to his press conference. It’s pretty entertaining watching a bunch of liberals who send their kids to private schools with armed guards trying to convince everyone else that having armed guards at schools is crazy.


  117. yenta-fada
    117 | December 25, 2012 11:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Bumr50:

    It’s a contract dispute. Her contract with Breitbart.com ran out awhile back, and she continued working without a contract for several months. When she gave them 30 days notice that she was leaving, they basically refused to accept it.

    Now they’re trying to keep her from working anywhere else.

    That kind of attempt internet control behavior is just sad and Johnsonian. I don’t like to see that from the good guys.


  118. lobo91
    118 | December 25, 2012 11:29 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Leia says hi.

    Actually, it was more like “Crunch…slurp…”

    She’s busy chomping on a big candy cane-shaped rawhide thing.


  119. lobo91
    119 | December 25, 2012 11:31 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Whoever’s running things over there now has apparently lost their mind.


  120. yenta-fada
    120 | December 25, 2012 11:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Leia says hi.

    Actually, it was more like “Crunch…slurp…”

    She’s busy chomping on a big candy cane-shaped rawhide thing.

    Good doggie! {{Leia}}


  121. yenta-fada
    121 | December 25, 2012 11:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Whoever’s running things over there now has apparently lost their mind.

    There are a lot of people going pretty crazy over money stuff. I know a few people personally who are so squeezed, that they are doing things they would not normally do.


  122. lobo91
    122 | December 25, 2012 11:42 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    There are a lot of people going pretty crazy over money stuff. I know a few people personally who are so squeezed, that they are doing things they would not normally do.

    I went to WalMart the other day. Does that count?


  123. lobo91
    123 | December 25, 2012 11:58 pm

    Here’s a song for Bloomberg, from the 4 million members of the NRA:


  124. Da_Beerfreak
    124 | December 25, 2012 11:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The Gee Oh Pee and a few other Right wingers could learn a lot from Wayne LaPierre on how to get your message out through a hostile media if they weren’t so damn full of themselves.

    I’m enjoying the reaction to his press conference. It’s pretty entertaining watching a bunch of liberals who send their kids to private schools with armed guards trying to convince everyone else that having armed guards at schools is crazy.

    Remember the firestorm he started back in the ’90s??
    RE: Clinton needing some urban crime to support calls for more gun control.

    The Leftwingers have hated him for years. :twisted:


  125. lobo91
    125 | December 26, 2012 12:01 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    The Leftwingers have hated him for years.

    Generally means you’re doing something right, in my book.


  126. yenta-fada
    126 | December 26, 2012 12:05 am

    @ lobo91:

    Going to Wallyworld doesn’t count as crazy. I went once in Florida, and that was sufficient. Just too big, but the prices were good. I’m still waiting for the first Target store to open in Toronto. Speaking about late to the party……
    Maybe it was that everything had to be in both official languages. I dunno.


  127. yenta-fada
    127 | December 26, 2012 12:09 am

    On topic. Rev. Jesse Jackson wants prison inmates to get in on ending gun violence. Is it dementia?

    http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/brilliant-jesse-jackson-asks-jail-inmates-to-help-end-gun-violence/


  128. lobo91
    128 | December 26, 2012 12:10 am

    I put up an OOT


  129. lobo91
    129 | December 26, 2012 12:10 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    On topic. Rev. Jesse Jackson wants prison inmates to get in on ending gun violence. Is it dementia?

    Is there a way for him to make money off it?


  130. Da_Beerfreak
    130 | December 26, 2012 12:13 am

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Going to Wallyworld doesn’t count as crazy. I went once in Florida, and that was sufficient. Just too big, but the prices were good. I’m still waiting for the first Target store to open in Toronto. Speaking about late to the party……
    Maybe it was that everything had to be in both official languages. I dunno.

    Going to Wallyworld is just the first step on the path to the Dark Side… :evil:


  131. yenta-fada
    131 | December 26, 2012 12:16 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Well then, good to know. :-) Have a brewski on me.


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