It amuses me how many politicians in both the Republican and Democrat parties claim they are against terrorism. Yet, both parties are looking for an excuse to attack Syria in support of the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda. In the Libyan War the national Republican Party led by John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum gave cover for Obama’s illegal war in Libya. Time and time again, the US under both parties has assisted Islamic terrorists.
The origins of the rise of Islamists is raced back to the Bosnian War. At that time the Bosnian Muslims leader and former Nazi collaborator Alija Izetbegovic who was also a member of the Muslim Brotherhood wanted to create an Islamic state. The Serb refused and began a resistance. Then Osama bin laden, Hassan Nasrallah, The Saudi and Iranians sent fighters to prop up the Islamic regime in Sarajevo. The International media demonized the Serbs, when in fact they were resisting Islamic rule. Israel to its credit sent weapons to Bosnian Serbs who were protecting Bosnian Jews and fighting Hizb’Allah.
“We don’t take sides in the conflict”, insists the Foreign Ministry spokesman, adding: “Because of anti-Semitic sentiments in (Croat president) Franjo Tudjmans’s book and the Hizballah-Iran help to the Muslims, you may draw the conclusion where our sympathies lie”.
In 1993 Bill Clinton with the backing of Democrats and Republicans in Congress, began a program to aid Islamic fighters in the Balkans. Even the Pro-Islamists Guardian admits the US/NATO was supporting the Jihadists.
The official Dutch inquiry into the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, released last week, contains one of the most sensational reports on western intelligence ever published. Officials have been staggered by its findings and the Dutch government has resigned. One of its many volumes is devoted to clandestine activities during the Bosnian war of the early 1990s. For five years, Professor Cees Wiebes of Amsterdam University has had unrestricted access to Dutch intelligence files and has stalked the corridors of secret service headquarters in western capitals, as well as in Bosnia, asking questions.
His findings are set out in “Intelligence and the war in Bosnia, 1992-1995″. It includes remarkable material on covert operations, signals interception, human agents and double-crossing by dozens of agencies in one of dirtiest wars of the new world disorder. Now we have the full story of the secret alliance between the Pentagon and radical Islamist groups from the Middle East designed to assist the Bosnian Muslims – some of the same groups that the Pentagon is now fighting in “the war against terrorism”. Pentagon operations in Bosnia have delivered their own “blowback”.
In the 1980s Washington’s secret services had assisted Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran. Then, in 1990, the US fought him in the Gulf. In both Afghanistan and the Gulf, the Pentagon had incurred debts to Islamist groups and their Middle Eastern sponsors. By 1993 these groups, many supported by Iran and Saudi Arabia, were anxious to help Bosnian Muslims fighting in the former Yugoslavia and called in their debts with the Americans. Bill Clinton and the Pentagon were keen to be seen as creditworthy and repaid in the form of an Iran-Contra style operation – in flagrant violation of the UN security council arms embargo against all combatants in the former Yugoslavia.
The result was a vast secret conduit of weapons smuggling though Croatia. This was arranged by the clandestine agencies of the US, Turkey and Iran, together with a range of radical Islamist groups, including Afghan mojahedin and the pro-Iranian Hizbullah. Wiebes reveals that the British intelligence services obtained documents early on in the Bosnian war proving that Iran was making direct deliveries.
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Iranian and Afghan veterans’ training camps had also been identified in Bosnia. Later, in the Dayton Accords of November 1995, the stipulation appeared that all foreign forces be withdrawn. This was a deliberate attempt to cleanse Bosnia of Iranian-run training camps. The CIA’s main opponents in Bosnia were now the mojahedin fighters and their Iranian trainers – whom the Pentagon had been helping to supply months earlier.
Meanwhile, the secret services of Ukraine, Greece and Israel were busy arming the Bosnian Serbs. Mossad was especially active and concluded a deal with the Bosnian Serbs at Pale involving a substantial supply of artillery shells and mortar bombs. In return they secured safe passage for the Jewish population out of the besieged town of Sarajevo. Subsequently, the remaining population was perplexed to find that unexploded mortar bombs landing in Sarajevo sometimes had Hebrew markings.
Here are 3 videos showing the Islamists in Bosnia and how the UN assisted them.
Next time you hear a Republican or Democrat claiming they are against Terror, keep in mind they are lying. As of this writing The Obama Regime and the national GOP are looking for a pretext to intervene in Syria. Once again America will back Jihadists. When will this madness stop? Why don’t more Conservatives speak out about this? Instead they blindly follow The GOP’s pro-Islamic foreign policy. I found it disturbing that while Democrats are split on getting involved and Independents oppose, a majority of Republicans support helping Islamic terrorists!
When it comes to the suggestion of Washington using military airplanes or missiles in the conflict, there appears to be a partisan divide and a gender gap, with Democrats divided, Republicans slightly in favor and independents opposed, and with men divided and women opposed.
This result is a disgrace and boggles my mind. Republicans should oppose intervention in Syria. This leads me to one conclusion, many Republicans are phonies about being opposed to Islamic terror. They just like nation building and support any war even if it’s not in our interests!
This nation’s foreign policy has been Pro-Islamic foe the last 20 years. I find this is a disgrace and the reason I can’t get worked up about Obama’s foreign policy. The Republicans are not offering an alternative and are addicted to nation building. We need a foreign policy based on national interests and opposition to Islamic aggression. Rand Paul is correct. How can we claim to support Israel, yet arm it’s enemies like Muslim Brotherhood Egypt and Hizb’Allah Lebanon (more on that later). Why don’t Conservatives speak against this madness, instead of supporting it?
See also: The Balkan Problem, Part 3. Revisiting Srebrenica.
Rodan Note: Treat this as an open thread if you choose.
Tags: Bosnian War
War on terror my ass.
I wish Conservatives spoke out against getting involved in Syria.
It’s funny that al-Qaeda and Hizb’Allah were once allies in Bosnia. Now they are killing each other in Syria. Evil always turns on evil.
I don’t think it matters much what any American of any political stripe says about much of anything at this point.
We no longer have a representative government.
Several of the 9/11 Hijackers fought in Bosnia.
@ lobo91:
You know what, you are right!
I think the only meddling in Syria we can do is supply arms/money (and that bad enough) but unlike Libya Syria has Russian air defense and I think that pretty much rules out a no fly zone.
@ lobo91:
The Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex dictates what is discussed politically.
brookly red wrote:
The US/NATO can easily take out those air defenses. That said, we should not get involved.
brookly red wrote:
Only because Obama doesn’t want to embarass his pal Vlad by showing what sort of crap the Russians are selling their clients.
The Russians are still pissed about how bad we made their tanks look during Desert Storm.
Rodan wrote:
now that is truly f’d up… so if someone says we have Mickey Mouse leadership we actually do?
Rodan wrote:
What’s discussed is nothing more than a show.
@ brookly red:
Yes, the Media-Entertainment Complex runs the country.
@ lobo91:
Just like how there was debate and elections in the Soviet Union.
Ugh…why the hell did O’Reilly let that Marxist asshole “Father” Pfleger come on his show?
Rodan wrote:
does owning Disney stock make me a party member? will I get an extra beer ration?
@ lobo91:
This idiot Father Phleger is talking about registering guns.
lobo91 wrote:
I just mentioned that. He’s talking about registration/titles of guns and compared it to getting a car from GM. He’s spreading BS.
Rodan wrote:
Since the number of legally owned handguns in his hometown of Chicago is precisely zero, how, exactly, would we go about registering them?
@ lobo91:
It never crossed his mind that if law abiding citizens in Chicago had guns, there might be less shootings. Criminals only shoot when they know the other person is disarmed.
As mentioned this morning, Chavez says “Who should I support? Terrorists who want a transitional government and kill people on all sides?”
More lucid on this than the GOP elites
@ brookly red:
I don’t think so!
waldensianspirit wrote:
Sad but true.
@ Rodan:
His state already has gun registration. It also licenses gun owners, and you have to show that license to buy ammo. And there’s still an absolute ban on handguns in Chicago.
How’s that working out for them?
@ Rodan:
Well, except when they’re shooting each other.
Rodan wrote:
lobo91 wrote:
Not very well. But hey they feel better about themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ brookly red:
Then mysteriously they may become Pro-Gun.
@ lobo91:
Good point.
Rodan wrote:
this could actually work.
@ brookly red:
That’s an idea!
lobo91 wrote:
something is very wrong in Chicago…other big cities have similar conditions, strict gun control, gangs, drugs etc. but Chicago has way more shootings than the next 5 big cities combined. Something is going on there.
@ 10 lobo91: heh. Cardboard tanks. It comes down to which society can do the better R&D and deploy it more efficiently. A motivated free society should win.
@ 32 brookly red: It’s an unregulated gang culture isn’t it? Where regulation is seen as racism and people like their criminals?
Basically corruption at a level that only a national guard might cure. Otherwise it lives on.
Rodan wrote:
I can see it now Union Arms! Proudly union made in the USA by Americans for Americans!
@ brookly red:
No other US city is as fundamentally corrupt as Chicago, though.
Nothing’s really changed there since the ’30s. As long as city officials (and the cops) get their cut, they pretty much leave the criminals alone.
@ darkwords:
It would have to be another state’s National Guard.
darkwords wrote:
yes but the same could be said for Detroit, Philly, LA, and a host of others. But the numbers just don’t add up, there is something going on in Chicago, personally I think they are pulling a domestic fast and furious, but it could be something else.
Box Office Update: Bette Midler-Billy Crystal Comedy Beats Tom Cruise Shooter-Upper
Now that’s some funny right there!
@ 38 brookly red: Rahm is pumping guns to one side of the gang wars trying to regulate them that way? And also get a leap up on future gun control? Pretty possible for the way intelligent dems think. We have seen how little they value Mexican lives if they aren’t voting for the O.
@ brookly red:
It’s just Chicago. It was like that since the 20′s.
Chinese craftsmanship at it’s finest. Shark Tank bursts.
Rodan wrote:
stats: Murders
According to the 2005 Homicide Report of the Chicago Police Department, the murder clearance rate (in terms of an arrest being made within two years of the homicide) has dropped from over 70% for 1991 to under 60% for 2003. Summer months have significantly higher murder rates, and over 70% of murders take place between 7PM and 5AM. The percentage of murder offenders between 14 and 16 years of age has declined from a 1994 high of approximately 15% to approximately 6% in 2005.
In 2005, 75% of murders involved a firearm, and 11% were the result of a stabbing. 41% of domestic murders were stabbings. 10% of murders in 2005 (39) were the result of an armed robbery, 9% were of undetermined cause, and at least 30% were gang altercations. Over 40% of victims and 60% of offenders were between the ages of 17 and 25. 85% of victims and 93% of offenders were male. 76% of victims were African American (77.4% of offenders were), 18.3% were Hispanic (17.3% of offenders), and 5.6% were white (5.3% of offenders).
The African American murder victimization rate was approximately 34 per 100,000; the Hispanic rate was 11 per 100,000, and the white rate 3 per 100,000. Over 75% of victims and 88% of offenders had a prior arrest history. 11% of armed robbery victims were female, 50% of domestic victims were female, and 7% of gang-related victims were female. 31% of armed robbery victims were over 45 years old. 29% of domestic-related murders were committed by women. From 1991 to 2005, 19.2% of armed robbery murder victims were white, and only 4.3% of armed robbery murder offenders were white.
(2005) Victims of gang-related murders: 70% African American, 26% Hispanic, 3% white; 93% male. Offenders in gang-related murders: 76% African American, 20% Hispanic, 3% white; 99% male. Victims of domestic-related murders: 79% African American, 10% Hispanic, 11% white. Victims of armed robbery—related murders: 68% African American, 13% Hispanic, 19% white, 89% male. Offenders in armed robbery—related murders: 87% African American, 9% Hispanic, 4% white; 93% male.
[edit]Homicides in Chicago 1990-2012
@ darkwords:
btw how do you get the @38 when you respond? just type it in? it would be a great feature.
Why don’t Conservatives speak against this madness, instead of supporting it?
I swear it’s a failure of imagination. They still have cold war reflexes. If Russia supports Assad, then we’re on the other side.
@ 44 brookly red: I just type it in every comment. It helps me follow a conversation in busy threads.
@46 darkwords
darkwords wrote:
didn’t work for me
@48eaglesoars
@ 47 eaglesoars:
hit reply and add the number before the nic
@ 49 eaglesoars:
I typed this one right before your name and put a space in it. between the author”> and the text. It makes it part of the hyperlink. I just added the number and didn’t type the name again.
eaglesoars wrote:
I hate to be the one that has to say it but our current administration seems to like all things militant muslim, now the fact that the POTUS was raised that way probably has nothing to do with it, politics being what they are and all but it is something historians may discuss when they write about the fall of western civilization.
@ 50 waldensianspirit: yes, I forgot the important part. I am using the reply link first.
@44 darkwords wrote:
brookly red wrote:
51 darkwords wrote:
d’uh
52 brookly red wrote:
I agree. But that doesn’t explain the GOP
brookly red wrote:
What I can’t understand is why George W can’t see how badly and utterly he has lost.
While he is being ‘proper’ they rule our country through Obama and company
eaglesoars wrote:
you mean the so called opposition party carefully hand picked by the media? That GOP? please,
59 brookly red wrote:
remember how Michelle Bachman was excoriated for noting people like Huma Abadin in State? Yeah, THAT GOP
silly me
eaglesoars wrote:
nothing more than a puppet show, when they called me to ask for money I told them sorry I need it to pay for my tax increase
61 brookly red wrote:
Lame
I tell them I need it to buy more ammo.
So, Mr. Thompson, every bad guy in the area now knows you’re a soft target. I hope you have neighbors on either side of your house and I hope they both put signs in their yards with arrows pointing to your house that say GUN FREE ZONE.
Sleep tight moron.
eaglesoars wrote:
dont ask anyone to think, its easier to be a reflexive idiot.
brookly red wrote:
logistics,
chitown is a huge holding/distro point for drugs. the thing is that the more respectable mob isnt in charge any more, the idiot thugs are messing the joint up.
ever hear of new castle or youngstown? no…ya know why? even though they are at the main intersection for rts 79 and 80 there is no fighting for drug flow. a more calm group runs the distribution and flow there.
logistics.
eaglesoars wrote:
That kneejerk anti-Slav mentality left over from the Cold War + Saudi Money, et voila.
brookly red wrote:
Because they have all-democratic mayors since 1931 ?
eaglesoars wrote:
1.) The GOP is scared to death of the main stream media.
Because of number 1.
2.) The GOP is afraid to fight for what it believes.
These are likely not THE reasons, but they are the reasons I dumped the Gee Oh Pee years ago and became an Independent Conservative.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
I think the GOP supports Militant Islam as well.