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Majority of Americans oppose a Gun ban

by Rodan ( 350 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Republican Party, Second Amendment at December 27th, 2012 - 3:00 pm

Progressives have attempted to take advantage of the Newton massacre. Obama and his cronies have used anti-gun rhetoric. But the reality is that it was just talk. A new poll shows a majority of Americans oppose a ban on Handguns and the so called “assault” weapons.

 

Although this same Gallup poll shows that a majority favor new guns laws, this is an abstract question. Gun Control is not a winning issue and the Democrats know this. Only if the Republicans show signs of “compromise’ aka caving in, will the Obama Regime attempt to pass new laws.

Both parties would be playing with fire with they attempt any gun control measure.

Guns = Freedom!

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350 Responses to “Majority of Americans oppose a Gun ban”
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  1. Daffy Duck
    1 | December 27, 2012 3:07 pm

    I think we should ban public schools instead…they produce a vast number of the sociopaths, and victims.


  2. MikeA
    2 | December 27, 2012 3:18 pm

    License parents. They cause more sociopaths than anything. But then the govt would get involved and that would just screw it up worse.


  3. waldensianspirit
    3 | December 27, 2012 3:20 pm

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    I think we should ban public schools instead…they produce a vast number of the sociopaths, and victims.

    At the very least give freedom of choice in education


  4. 4 | December 27, 2012 3:20 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    License parents. They cause more sociopaths than anything. But then the govt would get involved and that would just screw it up worse.

    Yup, more government means less freedom.


  5. 5 | December 27, 2012 3:23 pm

    Feinstein already has the bill drawn up -- it’s absolutely draconian in its violation of the ex post facto provisions of the Constitution. Of course, Harry Reid will never bring it to a vote; publicly he’ll say it will never pass the Republican House (which it won’t); privately, it’s to give the Democrat senators facing re-election cover for 2014 so they won’t have to vote for it.


  6. Daffy Duck
    6 | December 27, 2012 3:24 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    At the very least give freedom of choice in education

    Agree 1000%. The indoctrination via government-controlled schools is the biggest threat we face. We’ll never beat socialism / creeping fascism until we destroy that federal monopoly.

    Getting rid of forced-schooling would probably solve a lot of problems within about a generation.


  7. lobo91
    7 | December 27, 2012 3:24 pm

    We clearly need a new law subjecting criminals to a possible year in prison for illegally having a gun in order to prevent them from committing mass murder and killing themselves or being subjected to the death penalty.
    //


  8. lobo91
    8 | December 27, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:

    Getting rid of forced-schooling would probably solve a lot of problems within about a generation.

    Which is why it’ll never happen.


  9. waldensianspirit
    9 | December 27, 2012 3:26 pm

    When the White House is a gun free zone then maybe schools should be


  10. 10 | December 27, 2012 3:27 pm

    What do polls have to do with it, really? Gun rights are civil rights. Polling Manhattenites on whether to ban guns is like polling the KKK in the Jim Crow South about whether to end segregation. If they want to ban guns, let them FIRST Amend the Constitution.


  11. 11 | December 27, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Another poll showed that a majority have a favorable opinion of the NRA. Betcha the ACLU wouldn’t get that high.


  12. 12 | December 27, 2012 3:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    We clearly need a new law subjecting criminals to a possible year in prison for illegally having a gun in order to prevent them from committing mass murder and killing themselves or being subjected to the death penalty.
    //

    :lol:


  13. 13 | December 27, 2012 3:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    What do polls have to do with it, really? Gun rights are civil rights. Polling Manhattenites on whether to ban guns is like polling the KKK in the Jim Crow South about whether to end segregation. If they want to ban guns, let them FIRST Amend the Constitution.

    Polls are irrelevant. I was just showing how this is not a winning issue for the Left.


  14. 14 | December 27, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    If the ACLU wanted my respect they’d be backing the NRA on this one. They aren’t for all civil rigghts, just the civil rights they approve of. I am sure Orville Faubus felt thesame way.


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | December 27, 2012 3:31 pm

    this polling data is significant in revealing long term trends toward more freedom. i really hope the dems push this to a vote. PLEASE!

    they get clobbered at the polls on gun control whenever they try it.


  16. waldensianspirit
    16 | December 27, 2012 3:32 pm

    Hey Lobo inspired an idea! Why don’t we make a law citizens must call the police and give them 24 hour notice when they’re gonna break the law!


  17. waldensianspirit
    17 | December 27, 2012 3:35 pm

    Oh and Obama is now begging people to come to his inauguration


  18. 18 | December 27, 2012 3:35 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    This is a Constitutional Right!


  19. waldensianspirit
    19 | December 27, 2012 3:39 pm

    Could it be Obama is just having fun manipulating the stock market?


  20. brookly red
    20 | December 27, 2012 3:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    We clearly need a new law subjecting criminals to a possible year in prison for illegally having a gun in order to prevent them from committing mass murder and killing themselves or being subjected to the death penalty.
    //

    well actually the NRA supports project exile which is along those lines… in NYC it’s a mandatory 3 1/2 yrs for an illegal loaded handgun, and yes it did take a lot of guns off the streets.


  21. 21 | December 27, 2012 3:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    they get clobbered at the polls on gun control whenever they try it.

    Indeed. I really hope they push the Feinstein bill in the Senate. It will go nowhere in the House. Let the Democrats die on the hill of gun control. That will wake up some of the more apathetic voters. It has taken the Democrats 15 years to recover from passing the “Assault Weapons” ban. If they push this, it might bring the GOP back from the brink of destruction.


  22. 22 | December 27, 2012 3:43 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    yes it did take a lot of guns off the streets.

    But did it actually lower the crime rate any? If someone beats me to death with a baseball bat, am I somehow less dead than if they’d shot me? And it isn’t a zero sum game. By disarming the citizens, how many more crimes are comitted by criminals who know they have nothing to fear from the law abiding? I’ll never visit New York City, likely, because f your assinine laws against self-defense.


  23. 23 | December 27, 2012 3:45 pm

    Armed teachers works. Do they want to solve the problem, or do they want to grandstand against fundamental civil rights? I think we know the answer to that question.


  24. brookly red
    24 | December 27, 2012 3:47 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    yes it did take a lot of guns off the streets.

    But did it actually lower the crime rate any? If someone beats me to death with a baseball bat, am I somehow less dead than if they’d shot me? And it isn’t a zero sum game. By disarming the citizens, how many more crimes are comitted by criminals who know they have nothing to fear from the law abiding? I’ll never visit New York City, likely, because f your assinine laws against self-defense.

    well actually it did lower crime considerably, while it did not arm the honest taxpayers it did disarm a lot of criminals… now personally I would like to do both but this is liberal NYC and it’s the best we can hope for at this point in time.


  25. 25 | December 27, 2012 3:49 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Armed teachers works. Do they want to solve the problem, or do they want to grandstand against fundamental civil rights? I think we know the answer to that question.

    Obama has his kids in school with armed guards.


  26. brookly red
    26 | December 27, 2012 3:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama has his kids in school with armed guards.

    armed guards good… armed members of the teachers union? no thank you.


  27. heysoos
    27 | December 27, 2012 4:00 pm

    there is no end, it’s a spiral that goes nowhere, like a Dali painting…the bigger issue x 10 is getting people back to work…gun control is the ultimate shiny object


  28. 28 | December 27, 2012 4:02 pm

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    I think we should ban public schools instead…they produce a vast number of the sociopaths, and victims.

    HELL YEAH.


  29. brookly red
    29 | December 27, 2012 4:05 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    I think we should ban public schools instead…they produce a vast number of the sociopaths, and victims.

    HELL YEAH.

    well the right to be armed is in the Constitution… the right to public education? not so much, no mention of it at all.


  30. heysoos
    30 | December 27, 2012 4:06 pm

    perception is the primary aspect of an ideology, a candidate, or even legislation…if the left perceives gun owners as barbarians, we should project them as uninterested in the safety of our children…pound them mercilessly, non stop…blow them out with facts and stats, show how Israel does it, force it down their throats and don’t be nice about it, force them into a corner and make them explain their preference for secure money in a bank but not my kids


  31. Mars
    31 | December 27, 2012 4:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Obama has his kids in school with armed guards.
    armed guards good… armed members of the teachers union? no thank you.

    Actually, armed principles have been a pretty big factor in stopping a handful of shootings lately.


  32. brookly red
    32 | December 27, 2012 4:10 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Obama has his kids in school with armed guards.
    armed guards good… armed members of the teachers union? no thank you.

    Actually, armed principles have been a pretty big factor in stopping a handful of shootings lately.

    very true. nationally I support it, in corrupt NYC I would prefer to see cops.


  33. waldensianspirit
    33 | December 27, 2012 4:11 pm

    Cyberschools.


  34. heysoos
    34 | December 27, 2012 4:15 pm

    in ten more years, the typical 5 year old entering kindergarten will be considered retarded by todays standards…my grandkids are not allowed around any cyber device, a little tv, that’s it…their little minds are racing overdrive and they are not allowed to sit and stare


  35. brookly red
    35 | December 27, 2012 4:18 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    in ten more years, the typical 5 year old entering kindergarten will be considered retarded by todays standards…my grandkids are not allowed around any cyber device, a little tv, that’s it…their little minds are racing overdrive and they are not allowed to sit and stare

    hats off to the parents


  36. heysoos
    36 | December 27, 2012 4:24 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    in ten more years, the typical 5 year old entering kindergarten will be considered retarded by todays standards…my grandkids are not allowed around any cyber device, a little tv, that’s it…their little minds are racing overdrive and they are not allowed to sit and stare

    hats off to the parents

    well…I admit I’m teaching my grandson how to fart and get a laugh, spit, fake a rare mortal illness, the lyrics to Honky Tonk Women, flying butt monkeys, how to hate the Eagles properly, stuff like that…they call me Pappy the Pirate and my daughter is not always pleased, but boys will be boys eh?


  37. waldensianspirit
    37 | December 27, 2012 4:25 pm

    Bush Spokesman: ‘This Is Not The End Game’ For Former President

    Docs believe he’s going to make it through this


  38. waldensianspirit
    38 | December 27, 2012 4:31 pm

    MSM spokesholes wake up late, go to the set and start blathering; no need to do a little research


  39. heysoos
    39 | December 27, 2012 4:33 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Bush Spokesman: ‘This Is Not The End Game’ For Former President
    Docs believe he’s going to make it through this

    dying is okay too…typically his problems are respiratory in nature, so he’s done, the sooner the better


  40. waldensianspirit
    40 | December 27, 2012 4:45 pm

    Justice refuses to block morning-after pill rule

    Sotomayor style freedom


  41. Bumr50
    41 | December 27, 2012 4:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    how to hate the Eagles properly

    With or without Joe Walsh?


  42. heysoos
    42 | December 27, 2012 4:58 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    how to hate the Eagles properly
    With or without Joe Walsh?

    I was a Joe Walsh fan before you were born


  43. Mars
    44 | December 27, 2012 5:11 pm

    But gun freedom advocates fought back. Using the mainstream media, conservative media and especially social media – we need to understand its huge significance here – gun freedom advocates countered liberals’ bogus “facts.” Media reports about “automatic” weapons were corrected, clownish statements about “high caliber magazines” and “large capacity round” were mocked. The struggle raged over millions of Facebook posts. The average citizen saw gun banners ask “When will America control access to weapons?” and then saw several experts among his or her friends post about the significant hurdles one needs to get over to get a gun. Truth bypassed the mainstream media and became a weapon for the side of fundamental rights.

    This is what conservatives needs to start doing with everything.

    We won this debate before it got any traction. We can do the same damn thing when it comes to other things especially when it comes to smaller government and fiscal conservatism.

    We beat the media at their own game. This doesn’t happen often.

    We needs to kick our representatives in the ass and make it clear that the media is to be treated as an enemy. You do not kiss their asses in the hopes of getting preferential treatment.


  44. Lily
    45 | December 27, 2012 5:11 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Oh and Obama is now begging people to come to his inauguration

    Really? Why oh why am I not surprised?
    /I’m really not.


  45. RIX
    46 | December 27, 2012 5:13 pm

    @ Lily:
    Lilly! How are you today?


  46. Lily
    47 | December 27, 2012 5:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    Bush Spokesman: ‘This Is Not The End Game’ For Former President
    Docs believe he’s going to make it through this
    dying is okay too…typically his problems are respiratory in nature, so he’s done, the sooner the better

    That’s a terrible thing to say. Really it is.
    /I suppose it is easy to say about someone you don’t care about.


  47. heysoos
    48 | December 27, 2012 5:15 pm

    the very same liberal fools that want to limit gun access to lawful citizens, are the same union fools that have priced themselves out of the LE market…as LE shuts down across the country due to union demands, more people are taking up arms to defend themselves because LE can’t safeguard their cities…it’s totally trumped up and the problem was invented solely by liberals and their union bitches…the facts speak for themselves, discussion over


  48. Lily
    49 | December 27, 2012 5:17 pm

    @ RIX:

    Hey Rix…still recovering. One helluva surgery is all I got to say. Wowzers on that! But doing better each day. :)
    Hope you had a good Christmas!


  49. heysoos
    50 | December 27, 2012 5:17 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    waldensianspirit wrote:
    Bush Spokesman: ‘This Is Not The End Game’ For Former President
    Docs believe he’s going to make it through this
    dying is okay too…typically his problems are respiratory in nature, so he’s done, the sooner the better
    That’s a terrible thing to say. Really it is.
    /I suppose it is easy to say about someone you don’t care about.

    you ever hung out with a person on a vent that is dying from congestive heart failure?….what’s terrible is keeping them alive because the family can’t let nature take it’s course


  50. waldensianspirit
    51 | December 27, 2012 5:18 pm

    @ Lily:
    I think it was meant vs struggling to breathe and I mean struggle


  51. Bumr50
    52 | December 27, 2012 5:19 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I was a Joe Walsh fan before you were born

    Ok.

    I respect you for your salient points, witty commentary, and your willingness to share both here, where I hang out with more or less like-minded individuals.

    But if you’re looking for respect based on seniority, you’re barking up the wrong tree.

    I ACT respectful towards all of those senior to me, simply because it’s courteous. But I’ve met WAY too many old “jagoffs”(to coin a local term in lieu of more colorful language at this early hour) to respect ANYBODY based on their age.

    Sorry for the short rant, but it’s a pet peeve of mine.

    Respect is earned in my book. Everyone starts out at 0 (neutral) and goes up or down from there.

    My favorite Joe Walsh tune.


  52. Lily
    53 | December 27, 2012 5:20 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yes I have been around someone who had ARDS …so yes…I think if that is what you meant you should have worded it better.


  53. RIX
    54 | December 27, 2012 5:20 pm

    @ Lily:
    Glad to hear that you are doing well.
    Christmas was great & I hope that yours was
    Now I need Notre Dame to beat Alabama.


  54. Lily
    55 | December 27, 2012 5:21 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I think it was meant vs struggling to breathe and I mean struggle

    Understand now…you worded it better.


  55. Lily
    56 | December 27, 2012 5:23 pm

    @ RIX:

    I hope ND beats Alabama too. Cranky is best to describe me. That is slowly fading away now. I’ll be glad when I’m a whole lot better! ;)


  56. Bumr50
    57 | December 27, 2012 5:23 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yay, Lily!


  57. 58 | December 27, 2012 5:25 pm

    @ Lily:

    But GEAUX SAINTS!!!


  58. Lily
    59 | December 27, 2012 5:25 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Hey Bumr50! :)


  59. Lily
    60 | December 27, 2012 5:26 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    But GEAUX SAINTS!!!

    You know I will not be all that unhappy if the Saints finish at .500 especially after the horrid off season they had this year. I’ll be happy with that.


  60. heysoos
    61 | December 27, 2012 5:27 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I was a Joe Walsh fan before you were born
    Ok.
    I respect you for your salient points, witty commentary, and your willingness to share both here, where I hang out with more or less like-minded individuals.
    But if you’re looking for respect based on seniority, you’re barking up the wrong tree.
    I ACT respectful towards all of those senior to me, simply because it’s courteous. But I’ve met WAY too many old “jagoffs”(to coin a local term in lieu of more colorful language at this early hour) to respect ANYBODY based on their age.
    Sorry for the short rant, but it’s a pet peeve of mine.
    Respect is earned in my book. Everyone starts out at 0 (neutral) and goes up or down from there.
    My favorite Joe Walsh tune.

    I fully support you point of view, in jest, I was going to point out that I was there when R/R was invented…and I hang out alot with my musical descendants…I was just riffing, I don’t even know your age…as for you music, I’ve posted the Bomber many times on this net, seen em do it a few times and consider myself a fan from the beginning….and Funk #49 is one of the greatest anthems ever written…as for power trios, I’ve argued endlessly…I consider James gang easily as good as Cream or better


  61. waldensianspirit
    62 | December 27, 2012 5:29 pm

    Terrible Towels should be renamed Fluffy Doilies [*ducks, rolls and runs*]


  62. RIX
    63 | December 27, 2012 5:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I hope ND beats Alabama too. Cranky is best to describe me. That is slowly fading away now. I’ll be glad when I’m a whole lot better!

    ND is ranked number one & Bama number two,
    but Notre Dame is a ten point underdog.
    Most of the ESPN guys think that Alabama will win
    in a walk.
    I say “Beware of Catholics Bearing Footballs”
    Go Irish!


  63. Lily
    64 | December 27, 2012 5:33 pm

    @ RIX:

    I agree with you there…I think ND is going to beat Alabama. ;)


  64. heysoos
    65 | December 27, 2012 5:33 pm

    @ RIX:
    never underestimate the power of Football Jesus…ND has had a historic season, they deserve the title as much as I have to hate them…UM grunt here


  65. heysoos
    66 | December 27, 2012 5:33 pm

    Touchdown Jesus, that is


  66. Bumr50
    68 | December 27, 2012 5:35 pm

    @ heysoos:

    It’s cool! I just didn’t know what to do with it.

    Probably one of those things you learn when you get older…

    ///;-)

    I’m 37.

    I picked up on Walsh from my old man.

    I listen to mostly British music from that era.


  67. RIX
    69 | December 27, 2012 5:36 pm

    @ Lily:
    The conventional wisdom is that Notre Dame escaped barely in several
    games, which is true. But Alabama had trouble with LSU and Georgia and
    Texas A&M took them down.
    No matter how they slice it Notre Dame ran the table.
    These are two really good tams & it should be a great game.


  68. Lily
    70 | December 27, 2012 5:36 pm

    Gotta go! Have a good evening all!


  69. Lily
    71 | December 27, 2012 5:37 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The conventional wisdom is that Notre Dame escaped barely in several
    games, which is true. But Alabama had trouble with LSU and Georgia and
    Texas A&M took them down.
    No matter how they slice it Notre Dame ran the table.
    These are two really good tams & it should be a great game.

    Indeed. And I really do hope Bama gets the loss! ;)


  70. huckfunn
    72 | December 27, 2012 5:37 pm

    This is a year old but fun to watch. Uncle Ted tells Piers Morgan to “kiss my ass”.


  71. RIX
    73 | December 27, 2012 5:37 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:

    never underestimate the power of Football Jesus…ND has had a historic season, they deserve the title as much as I have to hate them…UM grunt here

    You have a good attitude about the whole thing.
    Michigan will be back


  72. huckfunn
    74 | December 27, 2012 5:39 pm

    @ Lily:
    Good to see you Lily. Hope your comfortable and doing well.


  73. heysoos
    75 | December 27, 2012 5:40 pm

    RIX wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ RIX:
    never underestimate the power of Football Jesus…ND has had a historic season, they deserve the title as much as I have to hate them…UM grunt here

    You have a good attitude about the whole thing.
    Michigan will be back

    I’m a football fan first…it’s my religion


  74. RIX
    76 | December 27, 2012 5:41 pm

    @ Lily:
    Right on!


  75. RIX
    77 | December 27, 2012 5:42 pm

    @ heysoos:
    There ya go.


  76. RIX
    78 | December 27, 2012 5:44 pm

    @ heysoos:
    College football everywhere is great.
    Of all of the places that I have been to though, ND
    has a special mystique.
    But I was raised on it.


  77. RIX
    79 | December 27, 2012 5:46 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Could Morgan be more annoying?
    There are great British accents & then there is his.


  78. huckfunn
    80 | December 27, 2012 5:47 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Could Morgan be more annoying?
    There are great British accents & then there is his.

    Yesterday you called someone “a dick with ears”. Haw! Works for Morgan.


  79. waldensianspirit
    81 | December 27, 2012 5:48 pm

    So who exactly is throwing granny off the cliff?


  80. waldensianspirit
    82 | December 27, 2012 5:49 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Could Morgan be more annoying?
    There are great British accents & then there is his.

    He should go back to mugging at people crawling inside balloons


  81. RIX
    83 | December 27, 2012 5:50 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Could Morgan be more annoying?
    There are great British accents & then there is his.

    He should go back to mugging at people crawling inside balloons

    I do like the deportation petition.


  82. waldensianspirit
    84 | December 27, 2012 5:52 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I do like the deportation petition.

    And the counter one by Brits not wanting him back :mrgreen:


  83. RIX
    85 | December 27, 2012 5:52 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Could Morgan be more annoying?
    There are great British accents & then there is his.

    Yesterday you called someone “a dick with ears”. Haw! Works for Morgan.

    I’m pretty sure that if you google the term his picture
    pops up.


  84. huckfunn
    86 | December 27, 2012 5:53 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I do like the deportation petition.

    Closing in on 90k.


  85. RIX
    87 | December 27, 2012 5:54 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I do like the deportation petition.

    And the counter one by Brits not wanting him back

    That is a glitch. Maybe Somalia will take him.
    Piers would love the ambiance.


  86. RIX
    88 | December 27, 2012 5:56 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I do like the deportation petition.

    Closing in on 90k.

    He was actually enjoying the attention for a while.
    Now he has his panties in a bunch.


  87. heysoos
    89 | December 27, 2012 5:57 pm

    RIX wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    I do like the deportation petition.
    Closing in on 90k.

    He was actually enjoying the attention for a while.
    Now he has his panties in a bunch.

    they slam us, slam them back twice…nice guys finish last, pass that on to the GOP


  88. Mars
    90 | December 27, 2012 5:57 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    t

    From what I heard from a brit I knew, if Morgan goes back to England his ass will probably be thrown in jail. Something about wire tapping.


  89. RIX
    91 | December 27, 2012 5:59 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Piers Morgan does this crap for ratings.
    His are low.


  90. Mars
    92 | December 27, 2012 6:01 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    I do like the deportation petition.
    Closing in on 90k.
    He was actually enjoying the attention for a while.
    Now he has his panties in a bunch.

    they slam us, slam them back twice…nice guys finish last, pass that on to the GOP

    Take a look at my #43 and #44.

    That’s what we need to do with all of this crap. The whole gun debate proved that we can do it, even with the liberal media. If we can do it with one issue we can do it with more.


  91. waldensianspirit
  92. RIX
    95 | December 27, 2012 6:08 pm

    @ Mars:
    I like the way that you’re thinking.
    But ObamaCare was unpopular at the time & still is.
    Obama & the Dems only care about public opinion
    when it agrees with them.


  93. heysoos
    96 | December 27, 2012 6:09 pm

    @ Mars:

    yup exactly…apply pressure, lots of it


  94. Mars
    97 | December 27, 2012 6:10 pm

    http://news.yahoo.com/minn-soda-shop-rebuked-stocking-candy-smokes-190536683.html

    Nanny statists strike again.

    These stores sell nostalgia to adults. But that doesn’t matter to the statists. Banning things is in their blood, and it isn’t going to stop anytime soon.

    I remember growing up with candy cigarettes and never had even a slight urge to smoke. Same goes for bubble gum and chocolate cigars/cigarettes.

    I only started cigars about 6 years ago and it really seems to have no connection to the candy I enjoyed as a child.

    Hell, how did you play cowboys and indians without a candy cigarette?

    Oh, that’s right, they’ve been trying to ban both toy guns and playing cowboys and indians all my life (not politically correct/too violent.)

    They aren’t going to stop unless they are forced to.


  95. waldensianspirit
    98 | December 27, 2012 6:12 pm

    @ Mars:
    We used them as kids to make fun of addicted adults; the airs and squints they’d put on.

    jolly good fun


  96. Mars
    99 | December 27, 2012 6:14 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I like the way that you’re thinking.
    But ObamaCare was unpopular at the time & still is.
    Obama & the Dems only care about public opinion
    when it agrees with them.

    To a degree. But, with Obamacare I think if we utilized some of the same tactics that we used on the gun issue maybe we could get some more headway.

    I think the problem is that the gun issue resonates with all but the most dedicated leftists. “Affordable” healthcare as it’s been misrepresented has suckered a lot of people believe it will be a good thing.

    Most of the country realizes that in many ways the medical system is broken, but only a few realize it’s because of the government.


  97. Mars
    100 | December 27, 2012 6:16 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Mars:
    We used them as kids to make fun of addicted adults; the airs and squints they’d put on.
    jolly good fun

    I can still get them at my local soda fountain, but I’m sure some do-gooder POS will eventually file a complaint.

    (OTOH I have to go to a local liquor store in order to get chocolate cigars for my kids.)


  98. heysoos
    101 | December 27, 2012 6:16 pm

    @ Mars:
    preach it brother….you’re on a roll


  99. Moe Katz
    102 | December 27, 2012 6:19 pm

    I still say it’s almost always men who go postal on a big scale, so just force everyone to take feminizing hormones.


  100. Mars
    103 | December 27, 2012 6:19 pm

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/12/heres_something_you_dont_see_every_day_on_cnbc.html

    Dem congresscritter gets major smackdown from Maria Bartiromo on CNBC.


  101. 104 | December 27, 2012 6:19 pm

    The whole Piers Morgan petition business is amusing, but I hope everybody realises there’s no grounds to deport him.


  102. Mars
    105 | December 27, 2012 6:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Mars:
    preach it brother….you’re on a roll

    The fact is that the truth about nearly everything the dems want or push hasn’t been represented truthfully.
    Read the article I just posted. For once the story has been flipped on a dem and he couldn’t recover or protect his views. Liberalism is a dead end and they know it, but if the voting public ever finds out the grift, it’s done.


  103. heysoos
    106 | December 27, 2012 6:22 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    The whole Piers Morgan petition business is amusing, but I hope everybody realises there’s no grounds to deport him.

    his drool is toxic so watch out…regardless, he’s welcome here, he’s no nuttier than the next guy


  104. waldensianspirit
    107 | December 27, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ Mars:
    Do you here that?!?!! traders on the floor started cheering her!


  105. Bumr50
    108 | December 27, 2012 6:29 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    I signed it, knowing full well that he can’t be deported.

    A good little nugget on that here:

    Here comes the Alinskyite Right

    ht -- AT


  106. Mars
    109 | December 27, 2012 6:29 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    The whole Piers Morgan petition business is amusing, but I hope everybody realises there’s no grounds to deport him.

    There isn’t, but there are reasons he is getting upset.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/world/europe/british-inquiry-to-question-cnns-piers-morgan.html?_r=0

    http://www.gpb.org/news/2012/05/23/british-tv-presenter-cnns-piers-morgan-showed-me-how-to-hack

    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/644810/did_piers_morgan_tap_paul_mccartney%27s_phone

    Apparently there aren’t any charges pending. But, it couldn’t be a comfortable situation over there.

    (By the way notice the return of the double standard. When it happened to Rupert Murdoch everyone heard about it, you couldn’t go anywhere on TV or the web without hearing it, but when it happened to Morgan, you had to search to find anything about it.)


  107. waldensianspirit
    110 | December 27, 2012 6:29 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    The whole Piers Morgan petition business is amusing, but I hope everybody realises there’s no grounds to deport him.

    Oh I don’t care if the two petitions stay neck and neck. Just want the mockery to continue and stick


  108. Mars
    111 | December 27, 2012 6:30 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Do you here that?!?!! traders on the floor started cheering her!

    Yep, that’s awesome.


  109. RIX
    112 | December 27, 2012 6:31 pm

    @ Mars:
    You’re right about ObamaCare.
    It will be a crippling financial burden on the Middle Class.
    I don’t really believe that Obama cares about public opinion.
    He is not playing for a legacy in American History,
    his narcissism leads him to go bigger.
    He wants to be a transformative world leader.
    Hell if the guy prays, it must be to himself


  110. heysoos
    113 | December 27, 2012 6:33 pm

    if conservative minded people would come out and vote every election, the donks would not win again for centuries…the reason they don’t is because they fear the GOP product, they fear theocratic tendencies in govt, they fear the GOP is well spoken on gay rights but not the economy, they fear the GOP with regard to abortion because not all conservatives think abortion is murder, they fear the GOP because that party has folded to the donks in terms of the economy and jobs…the GOP has made a mess and they want to blame it on the base for turning away when the reality is that the GOP is more concerned about their job than in representing it’s voters…give me Capone anyday, at least you could count on him to get it done…the Donks/GOP are losers, all of them…meanwhile while the voters are hard focused on BO in Hawaii while the body count from Chicago to Astan is out of control…fuck the feds, they get people killed over cocktails


  111. Mars
    114 | December 27, 2012 6:33 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I signed it, knowing full well that he can’t be deported.
    A good little nugget on that here:
    Here comes the Alinskyite Right
    ht — AT

    We should have a thread promoting that.


  112. waldensianspirit
    115 | December 27, 2012 6:35 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    You’re right about ObamaCare.
    It will be a crippling financial burden on the Middle Class.
    I don’t really believe that Obama cares about public opinion.
    He is not playing for a legacy in American History,
    his narcissism leads him to go bigger.
    He wants to be a transformative world leader.
    Hell if the guy prays, it must be to himself

    It is altering businesses to employ based on <28 hour work weeks


  113. Mars
    116 | December 27, 2012 6:39 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    You’re right about ObamaCare.
    It will be a crippling financial burden on the Middle Class.
    I don’t really believe that Obama cares about public opinion.
    He is not playing for a legacy in American History,
    his narcissism leads him to go bigger.
    He wants to be a transformative world leader.
    Hell if the guy prays, it must be to himself

    Pretty much. Oh did you see this?

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/did-obama-skip-church-on-christmas/article/2516846#.UNzbuXeMBxU

    Obama and the press always made a big deal about him attending church when he had to worry about eventual reelection.

    Myself, I don’t give a damn one way or another if he went to church or not, just don’t make a big deal about it every year he does and then go media silent when he doesn’t. Such political maneuvering is tasteless and tacky.


  114. 117 | December 27, 2012 6:39 pm

    @ Mars:
    I used to eat candy smokes and chew bubble gum cigars, but then, I used to consume just about any type of candy that was available. Bubble gum was a huge favorite of mine.

    Enjoy your candy when you’re a kid -- adults are far less likely to be able to tolerate sugar as they get older. I eat practically no sweets now. I occasionally chew a little bit of xylitol gum to kill germs in my mouth, but even then, I have to be careful about my dental work.


  115. waldensianspirit
    118 | December 27, 2012 6:41 pm

    Mars wrote:

    just don’t make a big deal about it every year he does and then go media silent when he doesn’t. Such political maneuvering is tasteless and tacky.

    For that we should alinsky him into going to church knowing he hates going :mrgreen:


  116. 119 | December 27, 2012 6:44 pm

    Mars wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ Mars:
    You’re right about ObamaCare.
    It will be a crippling financial burden on the Middle Class.
    I don’t really believe that Obama cares about public opinion.
    He is not playing for a legacy in American History,
    his narcissism leads him to go bigger.
    He wants to be a transformative world leader.
    Hell if the guy prays, it must be to himself

    Pretty much. Oh did you see this?
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/did-obama-skip-church-on-christmas/article/2516846#.UNzbuXeMBxU
    Obama and the press always made a big deal about him attending church when he had to worry about eventual reelection.
    Myself, I don’t give a damn one way or another if he went to church or not, just don’t make a big deal about it every year he does and then go media silent when he doesn’t. Such political maneuvering is tasteless and tacky.

    If he attends church at all, it’s just for show.

    Being in a church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than being in a hangar makes you an airplane.


  117. waldensianspirit
    120 | December 27, 2012 6:44 pm

    We should petition he moves Rev Wright to DC and broadcast his sermons with Obama sitting in the front pew :mrgreen:


  118. Mars
    121 | December 27, 2012 6:45 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    just don’t make a big deal about it every year he does and then go media silent when he doesn’t. Such political maneuvering is tasteless and tacky.
    For that we should alinsky him into going to church knowing he hates going

    Nice. lol.


  119. Mars
    122 | December 27, 2012 6:46 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    @ waldensianspirit:
    Agreed.


  120. waldensianspirit
    123 | December 27, 2012 6:47 pm

    I’d have to find a tv Sunday mornings and sit and laugh and laugh


  121. RIX
    124 | December 27, 2012 6:47 pm

    @ Mars:
    Yeah, I don’t care either if he goes to church or not.
    I do care that he spent twenty years in Rev Wrights church.
    Gotta go, see y’all later


  122. Mars
    125 | December 27, 2012 6:47 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I used to eat candy smokes and chew bubble gum cigars, but then, I used to consume just about any type of candy that was available. Bubble gum was a huge favorite of mine.
    Enjoy your candy when you’re a kid — adults are far less likely to be able to tolerate sugar as they get older. I eat practically no sweets now. I occasionally chew a little bit of xylitol gum to kill germs in my mouth, but even then, I have to be careful about my dental work.

    I’m starting to wonder if my soda consumption has anything to do with my digestive problems the last couple months. That’s really the last sugar that I eat anymore, and I have reduced my consumption by a HUGE amount, but now I’m having a lot of stomach problems the last couple weeks.


  123. 126 | December 27, 2012 6:48 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ Mars:
    You’re right about ObamaCare.
    It will be a crippling financial burden on the Middle Class.
    I don’t really believe that Obama cares about public opinion.
    He is not playing for a legacy in American History,
    his narcissism leads him to go bigger.
    He wants to be a transformative world leader.
    Hell if the guy prays, it must be to himself

    It is altering businesses to employ based on <28 hour work weeks

    That’s not a bug -- it’s a feature: the disappearance of the American middle class. Nobody left but apparatchiki and peons.


  124. Mars
    127 | December 27, 2012 6:49 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Yeah, I don’t care either if he goes to church or not.
    I do care that he spent twenty years in Rev Wrights church.
    Gotta go, see y’all later

    Amazing he could sit there twenty years and hear nothing. We should probably check and see if he owned a gameboy or something, lol.


  125. waldensianspirit
    128 | December 27, 2012 6:49 pm

    Let Rev Wright get in the spirit and I’d be roaring!


  126. 129 | December 27, 2012 6:49 pm

    @ Mars:
    It’s hard to say.

    You might have gastritis or an ulcer. I suggest you see a doctor.


  127. Mars
    130 | December 27, 2012 6:50 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ Mars:
    You’re right about ObamaCare.
    It will be a crippling financial burden on the Middle Class.
    I don’t really believe that Obama cares about public opinion.
    He is not playing for a legacy in American History,
    his narcissism leads him to go bigger.
    He wants to be a transformative world leader.
    Hell if the guy prays, it must be to himself
    It is altering businesses to employ based on <28 hour work weeks

    That’s not a bug — it’s a feature: the disappearance of the American middle class. Nobody left but apparatchiki and peons.

    Always one of the first goals of socialist/communist takeover.


  128. Mars
    131 | December 27, 2012 6:51 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    gastritis

    Crap you might be right. I have both reflux and a history of aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen for headaches and back pain.


  129. Mars
    132 | December 27, 2012 6:52 pm

    Then again the pains are in my lower abdomen not upper.


  130. Mars
    133 | December 27, 2012 6:55 pm

    I should get it checked. Fortunately I don’t think it’s either gastritis or an ulcer. I just don’t have enough of the symptoms and I have a full different set of symptoms.


  131. eaglesoars
    134 | December 27, 2012 6:59 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I just don’t have enough of the symptoms and I have a full different set of symptoms.

    Doesn’t matter. Get to a doctor. My gut was totally hosed from food poisoning for a solid 6 wks after antibiotics took care of the food poisoning. If your gut doesn’t work, neither does the rest of you.


  132. Mars
    135 | December 27, 2012 7:09 pm

    Ok time to go to the doctor. I have almost all the symptoms of IBS.


  133. 136 | December 27, 2012 7:11 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Oh and Obama is now begging people to come to his inauguration

    And one of my no-shit liberal friends is taking her daughter and boyfriend to the inaugural. With Cameras. Stringing for Fox News so they say. I hope they save the footage, I’d love to see it.


  134. waldensianspirit
    137 | December 27, 2012 7:11 pm

    Mars wrote:

    a lot of stomach problems

    also look up diet by blood type; not as many vegetables healthy for you as a food group. Check the other groups. They have recipes too


  135. 138 | December 27, 2012 7:12 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    We should petition he moves Rev Wright to DC and broadcast his sermons with Obama sitting in the front pew

    Perhaps Wright might want to preach said sermons in a Mosque instead?


  136. 139 | December 27, 2012 7:15 pm

    Mars wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    gastritis
    Crap you might be right. I have both reflux and a history of aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen for headaches and back pain.

    NSAIDs tear hell out of your innards. I have arthritis so I have the same problem. I have to go off the NSAIDs every so often and let my stomach recuperate.

    You might also have a duodenal ulcer.

    Or gall bladder trouble.

    Or colon problems. Have you had a colonoscopy?

    See a doctor.


  137. brookly red
    140 | December 27, 2012 7:17 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Ok time to go to the doctor. I have almost all the symptoms of IBS.

    till you get to the doctor you may want to try a probiotic, they can’t hurt and are real cheap


  138. Mars
    141 | December 27, 2012 7:19 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    1389AD wrote:
    gastritis
    Crap you might be right. I have both reflux and a history of aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen for headaches and back pain.

    NSAIDs tear hell out of your innards. I have arthritis so I have the same problem. I have to go off the NSAIDs every so often and let my stomach recuperate.
    You might also have a duodenal ulcer.
    Or gall bladder trouble.
    Or colon problems. Have you had a colonoscopy?
    See a doctor.

    Had a colonscopy a couple years ago, not an experience I would want to repeat.


  139. 142 | December 27, 2012 7:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I’m starting to wonder if my soda consumption has anything to do with my digestive problems the last couple months. That’s really the last sugar that I eat anymore, and I have reduced my consumption by a HUGE amount, but now I’m having a lot of stomach problems the last couple weeks.

    Carbonated drinks severely exacerbate stomach problems. Avoid any soda or carbonated drinks. It’s like pouring gas on a fire. Also skip coffee, chocolate and milk products.


  140. eaglesoars
    143 | December 27, 2012 7:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Ok time to go to the doctor. I have almost all the symptoms of IBS.

    Ah. You could also be gluten intolerant. symptoms are similar.


  141. Mars
    144 | December 27, 2012 7:20 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Ok time to go to the doctor. I have almost all the symptoms of IBS.

    till you get to the doctor you may want to try a probiotic, they can’t hurt and are real cheap

    Lol, that’s what my mother said. She told me to eat activia. Since I hate the aftertaste of yogurt I think I’ll check for a pill or something tomorrow.


  142. brookly red
    145 | December 27, 2012 7:21 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    good call.


  143. citizen_q
    146 | December 27, 2012 7:22 pm

    Quick Drive by.

    Saw Lily posting up thread, and I wanted to say hello, hope you are doing well and getting better.


  144. Mars
    147 | December 27, 2012 7:23 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I’m starting to wonder if my soda consumption has anything to do with my digestive problems the last couple months. That’s really the last sugar that I eat anymore, and I have reduced my consumption by a HUGE amount, but now I’m having a lot of stomach problems the last couple weeks.
    Carbonated drinks severely exacerbate stomach problems. Avoid any soda or carbonated drinks. It’s like pouring gas on a fire. Also skip coffee, chocolate and milk products.

    That’s going to be the hard part for me. The caffeine helps keep my headaches down, and the carbonation is the only thing that breaks down the crud buildup from my bronchial problems.

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    Ok time to go to the doctor. I have almost all the symptoms of IBS.

    Ah. You could also be gluten intolerant. symptoms are similar.

    Yuck, I’m already lactose intolerant, I don’t think I could service gluten free. (Also due to the fact the gluten free versions of some of my favorite things have exactly the same amount of taste as the cardboard packaging they come in.)


  145. brookly red
    148 | December 27, 2012 7:23 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Ok time to go to the doctor. I have almost all the symptoms of IBS.

    till you get to the doctor you may want to try a probiotic, they can’t hurt and are real cheap

    Lol, that’s what my mother said. She told me to eat activia. Since I hate the aftertaste of yogurt I think I’ll check for a pill or something tomorrow.

    any drug store will have them give them a few days to start working but see the Dr anyway as they can mask a more serious problem.


  146. waldensianspirit
    149 | December 27, 2012 7:24 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Yuck, I’m already lactose intolerant, I don’t think I could service gluten free. (Also due to the fact the gluten free versions of some of my favorite things have exactly the same amount of taste as the cardboard packaging they come in.)

    :mrgreen:

    the way out is diet by blood type


  147. Mars
    150 | December 27, 2012 7:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Ok time to go to the doctor. I have almost all the symptoms of IBS.
    till you get to the doctor you may want to try a probiotic, they can’t hurt and are real cheap
    Lol, that’s what my mother said. She told me to eat activia. Since I hate the aftertaste of yogurt I think I’ll check for a pill or something tomorrow.

    any drug store will have them give them a few days to start working but see the Dr anyway as they can mask a more serious problem.

    Makes sense.


  148. 151 | December 27, 2012 7:26 pm

    Mars wrote:

    That’s going to be the hard part for me. The caffeine helps keep my headaches down, and the carbonation is the only thing that breaks down the crud buildup from my bronchial problems.

    Then try green tea or other mild teas for caffeine. Coffee is the worst. I’ve had intermittent stomach [reflux] problems over the years that has flared up when I’m under a lot of pressure [work/emotional]. When I take a break from soda, coffee, chocolate and ice cream and stuff like that it gets better.

    How does carbonation affect bronchial problems?


  149. Mars
    152 | December 27, 2012 7:27 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Yuck, I’m already lactose intolerant, I don’t think I could service gluten free. (Also due to the fact the gluten free versions of some of my favorite things have exactly the same amount of taste as the cardboard packaging they come in.)

    the way out is diet by blood type

    Yeah read it. Hate fish, lean meats are too dry. Can’t eat whole grains due to diverticulitis. Plus my current living conditions involve far too many other people to adapt meals to my needs.


  150. 153 | December 27, 2012 7:27 pm

    Norman Schwarzkopf died.


  151. 154 | December 27, 2012 7:28 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Norman Schwarzkopf died.

    Oh. Wow.


  152. song_and_dance_man
    155 | December 27, 2012 7:30 pm

    I support a ban on idiot Lefties.


  153. Mars
    156 | December 27, 2012 7:30 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    That’s going to be the hard part for me. The caffeine helps keep my headaches down, and the carbonation is the only thing that breaks down the crud buildup from my bronchial problems.
    Then try green tea or other mild teas for caffeine. Coffee is the worst. I’ve had intermittent stomach [reflux] problems over the years that has flared up when I’m under a lot of pressure [work/emotional]. When I take a break from soda, coffee, chocolate and ice cream and stuff like that it gets better.
    How does carbonation affect bronchial problems?

    I get a lot of mucous built up in my throat and down my esophagus, it doesn’t go away until I drink carbonation. Water doesn’t break it up, tea doesn’t affect it, nothing works. Drink something carbonated, and bam I can swallow again.

    I actually drink quite a bit of tea. Green, black, fruit, herbal, you name it. I’ve even tried a tea made from Mate. (Way too bitter.)


  154. buzzsawmonkey
    157 | December 27, 2012 7:31 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Another poll showed that a majority have a favorable opinion of the NRA.

    Clearly, they need to be “educated.”

    /proggie response off.


  155. Mars
    158 | December 27, 2012 7:31 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Norman Schwarzkopf died.

    Oh. Wow.

    Served under him. Great man, he got it.


  156. 159 | December 27, 2012 7:32 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I get a lot of mucous built up in my throat and down my esophagus, it doesn’t go away until I drink carbonation.

    Without being too disgusting, perhaps just spit it out and take a break from soda. I hope you’re not drinking diet soda, because that is pure poison.


  157. waldensianspirit
    160 | December 27, 2012 7:34 pm

    club soda


  158. brookly red
    161 | December 27, 2012 7:34 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Drink something carbonated, and bam I can swallow again.

    beer :)


  159. waldensianspirit
    162 | December 27, 2012 7:34 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    drinking diet soda, because that is pure poison.

    yep


  160. Mars
    163 | December 27, 2012 7:35 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I get a lot of mucous built up in my throat and down my esophagus, it doesn’t go away until I drink carbonation.
    Without being too disgusting, perhaps just spit it out and take a break from soda. I hope you’re not drinking diet soda, because that is pure poison.

    Won’t go near diet, can’t stand the taste.
    Can’t spit it out, it’s too deep in my system. CPAP has helped keep the problem down a little (including my reflux) but the build up is past the point where I can clear it with any kind of activity other than drinking something. (and food just gets stuck).


  161. song_and_dance_man
    164 | December 27, 2012 7:36 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Clearly, they need to be “educated.”

    /proggie response off.

    And the first lesson will be ‘How to keep one’s knuckles from dragging’.

    /un-dons tin foil propeller benie


  162. brookly red
    165 | December 27, 2012 7:36 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    I get a lot of mucous built up in my throat and down my esophagus, it doesn’t go away until I drink carbonation.

    Without being too disgusting, perhaps just spit it out and take a break from soda. I hope you’re not drinking diet soda, because that is pure poison.

    and anyone over 50, but especially women, should never drink anything artificially carbonated (beer is OK) the carbonation leeches calcium from your bones.


  163. Mars
    166 | December 27, 2012 7:36 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    club soda

    That’s a thought. But, I don’t seem to have as much luck with clear sodas, so I’m not sure club would work, but I’ll give it a shot.

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Drink something carbonated, and bam I can swallow again.
    beer

    Allergic to hops.


  164. song_and_dance_man
    167 | December 27, 2012 7:37 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    beer

    I’m with you. I dislike soda, diet or otherwise.


  165. brookly red
    168 | December 27, 2012 7:37 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Allergic to hops.

    oh the horror


  166. eaglesoars
    169 | December 27, 2012 7:37 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Since I hate the aftertaste of yogurt I think I’ll check for a pill or something tomorrow.

    Don’t. Not until you know what’s wrong. The purpose of that kind of treatment is to correct/stabilize the bacteria in your gut. If that’s not the problem, it won’t help and if it changes anything it will just confuse the clinical picture.

    If it is a bacteria balance problem, the best pill is Align.


  167. waldensianspirit
    170 | December 27, 2012 7:38 pm

    @ Mars:
    or seltzer for less sodium.


  168. song_and_dance_man
    171 | December 27, 2012 7:38 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    the carbonation leeches calcium from your bones.

    And leaves a nasty Carbonate footprint.


  169. 172 | December 27, 2012 7:38 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    and anyone over 50, but especially women, should never drink anything artificially carbonated (beer is OK) the carbonation leeches calcium from your bones.

    /Puts down her Pepsi …


  170. brookly red
    173 | December 27, 2012 7:38 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Allergic to hops.

    hops, lactose… good chance then gluten too


  171. Mars
    174 | December 27, 2012 7:40 pm

    I think what might help is to get myself a soda stream on my tax return. I know I had one when I was a kid. With it I can carbonate any drink I feel like. (Even tea, lol. Had carbonated green tea before, talk about nasty.) The nice part is I can adjust the amount of syrup in it. So instead of the high syrup concentration of the big companies, I can adjust it down to where I can still get the taste and carbonation, but can reduce the sugar by half or more.


  172. buzzsawmonkey
    175 | December 27, 2012 7:40 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    That’s not a bug — it’s a feature: the disappearance of the American middle class.

    Never forget that one of the tenets of Jeremiah Wright’s “church” was “the disavowal of middleclassness.” That tenet disappeared from the church’s website when Wright got attention during the 2008 campaign—but that doesn’t mean it disappeared.

    True “middleclassness” requires the deferment of gratification in pursuit of a planned goal. This is anathema to both the ghetto and the dependency lifestyles; the former is characterized by “I got money in my pocket today and tomorrow is a long way off,” and the latter is “the government check is coming every week, so why bother to plan?”

    Were Wright to actually have the welfare and uplift of the black community in mind, he would have had “the embrace of middleclassness” as a major tenet of his church.


  173. brookly red
    176 | December 27, 2012 7:40 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    and anyone over 50, but especially women, should never drink anything artificially carbonated (beer is OK) the carbonation leeches calcium from your bones.

    /Puts down her Pepsi …

    serious, a major factor for osteoporosis… no soda


  174. eaglesoars
    177 | December 27, 2012 7:40 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Allergic to hops.

    Try non-alcoholic beer = O’Douhls I think it is


  175. Mars
    178 | December 27, 2012 7:41 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Allergic to hops.
    oh the horror

    Doesn’t bother me, can’t stand the taste of beer anyway.


  176. buzzsawmonkey
    179 | December 27, 2012 7:41 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    club soda

    It’s still moving—club it again!


  177. Mars
    180 | December 27, 2012 7:41 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Allergic to hops.
    hops, lactose… good chance then gluten too

    Oh joy.


  178. buzzsawmonkey
    181 | December 27, 2012 7:42 pm

    I’m still surprised that there has been no push to ban carbonated beverages on the grounds that they release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.


  179. brookly red
    182 | December 27, 2012 7:43 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I think what might help is to get myself a soda stream on my tax return. I know I had one when I was a kid. With it I can carbonate any drink I feel like. (Even tea, lol. Had carbonated green tea before, talk about nasty.) The nice part is I can adjust the amount of syrup in it. So instead of the high syrup concentration of the big companies, I can adjust it down to where I can still get the taste and carbonation, but can reduce the sugar by half or more.

    and you can put all the money you save to higher taxes :(


  180. Mars
    183 | December 27, 2012 7:43 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    That’s not a bug — it’s a feature: the disappearance of the American middle class.
    Never forget that one of the tenets of Jeremiah Wright’s “church” was “the disavowal of middleclassness.” That tenet disappeared from the church’s website when Wright got attention during the 2008 campaign—but that doesn’t mean it disappeared.
    True “middleclassness” requires the deferment of gratification in pursuit of a planned goal. This is anathema to both the ghetto and the dependency lifestyles; the former is characterized by “I got money in my pocket today and tomorrow is a long way off,” and the latter is “the government check is coming every week, so why bother to plan?”
    Were Wright to actually have the welfare and uplift of the black community in mind, he would have had “the embrace of middleclassness” as a major tenet of his church.

    Wright is following in the footsteps of the socialist religious leaders of our past. He has 200 years of tradition behind him.


  181. waldensianspirit
    184 | December 27, 2012 7:43 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It’s still moving—club it again!

    ’cause it’s not cute and furry


  182. 185 | December 27, 2012 7:43 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    serious, a major factor for osteoporosis… no soda

    Damn! REally? NO soda? How about a little once in a while?


  183. song_and_dance_man
    186 | December 27, 2012 7:44 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Allergic to hops.

    Then don’t hop!

    /


  184. Mars
    187 | December 27, 2012 7:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I think what might help is to get myself a soda stream on my tax return. I know I had one when I was a kid. With it I can carbonate any drink I feel like. (Even tea, lol. Had carbonated green tea before, talk about nasty.) The nice part is I can adjust the amount of syrup in it. So instead of the high syrup concentration of the big companies, I can adjust it down to where I can still get the taste and carbonation, but can reduce the sugar by half or more.

    and you can put all the money you save to higher taxes

    True. But if all states adopt the Bloomberg laws, I’ll be saving money by not getting store bought sodas.


  185. 188 | December 27, 2012 7:44 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    club soda

    There used to be a night club here called “Club Soda”.


  186. Alberta Oil Peon
    189 | December 27, 2012 7:44 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    Medical grounds: congenital assholitude. Very catching.


  187. song_and_dance_man
    190 | December 27, 2012 7:44 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I’m still surprised that there has been no push to ban carbonated beverages on the grounds that they release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

    And beans.


  188. Mars
    191 | December 27, 2012 7:45 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    serious, a major factor for osteoporosis… no soda
    Damn! REally? NO soda? How about a little once in a while?

    I’m sure the medical professionals would say no, but I find that moderation in most things like that work out.


  189. Mars
    192 | December 27, 2012 7:45 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    I’m still surprised that there has been no push to ban carbonated beverages on the grounds that they release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
    And beans.

    Thought that was methane.


  190. buzzsawmonkey
    193 | December 27, 2012 7:45 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Wright is following in the footsteps of the socialist religious leaders of our past. He has 200 years of tradition behind him.

    “Middle class” in the black community tends to mean getting a government job. That should be kept in mind every time Obama talks about “protecting the middle class”; he is really talking about bloating government payrolls for this purpose.


  191. brookly red
    194 | December 27, 2012 7:46 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    serious, a major factor for osteoporosis… no soda

    Damn! REally? NO soda? How about a little once in a while?

    hows yer bone density?


  192. song_and_dance_man
    195 | December 27, 2012 7:46 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    There used to be a night club here called “Club Soda”.

    There’s a pub right around the corner called The Effing Bar. Love the name. Hey hon, going out with the boys to the effing bar.


  193. song_and_dance_man
    196 | December 27, 2012 7:47 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Thought that was methane.

    Right. Another source for global warming, er…climate change.


  194. Mars
    197 | December 27, 2012 7:47 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Wright is following in the footsteps of the socialist religious leaders of our past. He has 200 years of tradition behind him.
    “Middle class” in the black community tends to mean getting a government job. That should be kept in mind every time Obama talks about “protecting the middle class”; he is really talking about bloating government payrolls for this purpose.

    You know, in the past there was a term for a government that guarantees government employment for all that are able. What was that again? /


  195. 198 | December 27, 2012 7:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    hows yer bone density?

    Uh.. /tink, tink, tink… taps arm with spoon. Seems fine!

    Jokes aside, it’s probably fairly OK at my age [50], I walk a lot and exercise.


  196. eaglesoars
    199 | December 27, 2012 7:48 pm

    I don’t know what’s wrong with Daily Caller -- the 2nd level pages won’t load for me -- but the headlines says Activist offers children certificates if they stop playing with toy guns.

    On The Five tonite they were talking about ‘activists’ going after candy ‘cigarettes’.

    Really, are these peoples lives really that trivia-based? How pathetic.


  197. waldensianspirit
    200 | December 27, 2012 7:51 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Damn! REally? NO soda? How about a little once in a while?

    /mix half and half with milk


  198. song_and_dance_man
    201 | December 27, 2012 7:52 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Damn! REally? NO soda? How about a little once in a while?

    What I don’t get is how beer is OK as a carbonated beverage and others are not. It must be the carbonation is inherent in the natural production of the carbonate. Sorta like homegrown carbon credits.


  199. brookly red
    202 | December 27, 2012 7:52 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    hows yer bone density?

    Uh.. /tink, tink, tink… taps arm with spoon. Seems fine!

    Jokes aside, it’s probably fairly OK at my age [50], I walk a lot and exercise.

    maybe you wanna try some of those calcium supplement chews… you know the ones that taste like chocolate fudge :)


  200. Mars
    203 | December 27, 2012 7:52 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I don’t know what’s wrong with Daily Caller — the 2nd level pages won’t load for me — but the headlines says Activist offers children certificates if they stop playing with toy guns.
    On The Five tonite they were talking about ‘activists’ going after candy ‘cigarettes’.
    Really, are these peoples lives really that trivia-based? How pathetic.

    |Yep I posted earlier. MN politicians are going after a nostalgia soda fountain for selling candy cigarettes. Apparently this is the second time. Someone keeps reporting them.

    Not only are liberals the party of prohibition, but every liberal is a snitch at heart.


  201. brookly red
    204 | December 27, 2012 7:52 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Damn! REally? NO soda? How about a little once in a while?

    What I don’t get is how beer is OK as a carbonated beverage and others are not. It must be the carbonation is inherent in the natural production of the carbonate. Sorta like homegrown carbon credits.

    bingo


  202. Mars
    205 | December 27, 2012 7:53 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    Damn! REally? NO soda? How about a little once in a while?
    What I don’t get is how beer is OK as a carbonated beverage and others are not. It must be the carbonation is inherent in the natural production of the carbonate. Sorta like homegrown carbon credits.

    Root beer can be done the same way. Yeast provides the carbonation.


  203. heysoos
    206 | December 27, 2012 7:57 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    club soda

    There used to be a night club here called “Club Soda”.

    there was a blues bar in Kalamazoo by that name…saw many a bigtime player there


  204. 207 | December 27, 2012 7:57 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I don’t know what’s wrong with Daily Caller — the 2nd level pages won’t load for me — but the headlines says Activist offers children certificates if they stop playing with toy guns.
    On The Five tonite they were talking about ‘activists’ going after candy ‘cigarettes’.
    Really, are these peoples lives really that trivia-based? How pathetic.

    This is their mindset -- and it is a truly satanic one.


  205. brookly red
    208 | December 27, 2012 7:57 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Not only are liberals the party of prohibition, but every liberal is a snitch at heart.

    not at all true, they never have a problem with someone buying/selling malt liquor with an EBT card…


  206. eaglesoars
    209 | December 27, 2012 7:58 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Damn! REally? NO soda? How about a little once in a while?

    Not to worry. It’s not that straightforward

    “There is an association between people who have high soda intake and risk of fracture, but that’s probably due to the fact that if they have a high soda intake, they have a low milk intake,” agrees Robert Heaney, MD, FACP, a professor of medicine at Creighton University in Omaha, Neb., and a nationally recognized expert on osteoporosis.

    “Those things have been shown to be linked in various studies. But when you look at the ingredients of the soda and give those to healthy people and measure what it does to their calcium composition, nothing happens at all.”

    “Individuals who drink a lot of soft drinks aren’t going to drink as much nutritious liquid as others,” says Bess Dawson-Hughes, M.D., professor of medicine and director of the Bone Metabolism Laboratory at the Jean Mayer USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging at Tufts University. “We’re simply not going to consume beyond a certain volume each day.”

    So, if you just remember to drink a glass of milk for every can of Diet Coke, you’ll be fine, right? Not necessarily.

    New research indicates that there may be more to the soda and osteoporosis connection than simply replacing the good stuff with the useless stuff.

    Researchers at Tufts University, studying several thousand men and women, found that women who regularly drank cola-based sodas -- three or more a day — had almost 4% lower bone mineral density in the hip, even though researchers controlled for calcium and vitamin D intake. But women who drank non-cola soft drinks, like Sprite or Mountain Dew, didn’t appear to have lower bone density.


  207. song_and_dance_man
    210 | December 27, 2012 7:58 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    D

    amn! REally? NO soda? How about a little once in a while?

    /mix half and half with milk

    That sounds veeery Leftie.

    /


  208. 211 | December 27, 2012 7:58 pm

    Mars wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    Urban Infidel wrote:
    Damn! REally? NO soda? How about a little once in a while?
    What I don’t get is how beer is OK as a carbonated beverage and others are not. It must be the carbonation is inherent in the natural production of the carbonate. Sorta like homegrown carbon credits.

    Root beer can be done the same way. Yeast provides the carbonation.

    You can make your own ginger beer at home. Google is your friend!

    But put the containers in your bathtub or shower stall or outside, in case something leaks.


  209. Bumr50
    212 | December 27, 2012 7:59 pm

    @ Mars:

    This stuff is awesome.


  210. buzzsawmonkey
    213 | December 27, 2012 7:59 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Yeast provides the carbonation.

    Yeast is yeast, and best is best, and never the twain shall meet
    ‘Til they combine in microbrews as local tavern treats
    But it’s your fault if you drink too much malt (you know there’s ne’er a dearth)
    For it will expand your poor waistline to a great potbellied girth!

    —Rudyard Tippling, “The Ballad of Yeast and Best”


  211. Mars
    214 | December 27, 2012 7:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Not only are liberals the party of prohibition, but every liberal is a snitch at heart.
    not at all true, they never have a problem with someone buying/selling malt liquor with an EBT card…

    You got me there. In fact they lined up to defend the practice.


  212. brookly red
    215 | December 27, 2012 8:00 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Not only are liberals the party of prohibition, but every liberal is a snitch at heart.
    not at all true, they never have a problem with someone buying/selling malt liquor with an EBT card…

    You got me there. In fact they lined up to defend the practice.

    and don’t get me started on voter IDs…


  213. 216 | December 27, 2012 8:00 pm

    I take Tums for calcium and to settle my stomach, which has given me trouble off and on ever since I was a baby.

    The fruit-flavored kind is best IMO. You can get a generic variety to save money, if that’s a factor.

    A little wine is good for your stomach. Drink some water first, and eat some food, then drink the wine.

    Eating too much at any one time is bad, bad, bad.


  214. song_and_dance_man
    217 | December 27, 2012 8:01 pm

    Mars wrote:

    MN politicians are going after a nostalgia soda fountain for selling candy cigarettes.

    When I was a kid we used to buy them. They were a gum that would let out a ‘puff’ when blowed.


  215. Mars
    218 | December 27, 2012 8:01 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    This stuff is awesome.

    I do like rooibos, my first experience with mate wasn’t the best, but I don’t think it was green mate. Sounds pretty good.


  216. eaglesoars
    219 | December 27, 2012 8:01 pm

    @ 207 1389AD:

    The human being is the livestock of the liberal animal farm

    yep


  217. waldensianspirit
    220 | December 27, 2012 8:02 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    ’cause the other factor is phosphate


  218. Mars
    221 | December 27, 2012 8:03 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    MN politicians are going after a nostalgia soda fountain for selling candy cigarettes.
    When I was a kid we used to buy them. They were a gum that would let out a ‘puff’ when blowed.

    I remember those too. The ones the libs are after the most are the ones you can still pick up at the dollar store, but they now call them “candy sticks” and package them in cartoon character packages in bags. The did away with the cigarette parody packaging and the died red tips.


  219. Mars
    223 | December 27, 2012 8:03 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Not only are liberals the party of prohibition, but every liberal is a snitch at heart.
    not at all true, they never have a problem with someone buying/selling malt liquor with an EBT card…
    You got me there. In fact they lined up to defend the practice.

    and don’t get me started on voter IDs…

    Only one kind of person opposes voter ID.


  220. eaglesoars
    224 | December 27, 2012 8:05 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    ’cause the other factor is phosphate

    rogered the thread. what are you trying to say?


  221. waldensianspirit
    225 | December 27, 2012 8:06 pm

    Another thing; don’t sit with a crick in yer neck reading blogs


  222. song_and_dance_man
    226 | December 27, 2012 8:08 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    “Individuals who drink a lot of soft drinks aren’t going to drink as much nutritious liquid as others,”

    That is the key. I drink water most, then beer. A cup of coffee in the morning. No soda and sometimes Gatorade. Orange juice is a fav and cranberry juice.


  223. waldensianspirit
    227 | December 27, 2012 8:11 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    ’cause the other factor is phosphate

    rogered the thread. what are you trying to say?

    literally :-)

    http://www.phosadd.com/foods/foodselection.htm


  224. waldensianspirit
    228 | December 27, 2012 8:12 pm

    The ratio of carbonate/phosphate


  225. waldensianspirit
    229 | December 27, 2012 8:12 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    rogered the thread.

    me from 1.0…


  226. eaglesoars
    230 | December 27, 2012 8:12 pm

    226 song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I drink water most,

    I drink a lot of water. Then tea. Then V8 juice. An occasional soda -- usually I prefer gingerale over coke but sometimes coke just hits the spot.


  227. heysoos
    231 | December 27, 2012 8:13 pm

    need more guys like this…really put BO in a headlock
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324660404578199363527441002.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop


  228. eaglesoars
    232 | December 27, 2012 8:15 pm

    @ 227 waldensianspirit:

    Chocolate? CHOCOLATE??

    fuck that.


  229. song_and_dance_man
    233 | December 27, 2012 8:15 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    eaglesoars wrote:

    rogered the thread. what are you trying to say?

    This is priceless.

    Not only did the link register a roger, the one who linked it is the one who eventually became the originator of the term.

    Love it.


  230. brookly red
    234 | December 27, 2012 8:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    need more guys like this…really put BO in a headlock
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324660404578199363527441002.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

    he’s a freakin genius!

    Life is a pizza. If some people have too many slices, other people have to eat the pizza box. You had no answer to Mitt Romney’s argument for more pizza parlors baking more pizzas. The solution to our problems, you said, is redistribution of the pizzas we’ve got—with low-cost, government-subsidized pepperoni somehow materializing as the result of higher taxes on pizza-parlor owners.


  231. buzzsawmonkey
    235 | December 27, 2012 8:18 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I can’t reply to your question over at PJM yet, since their stupid delay doesn’t bring your comment up on the main page for me. But, not to leave you in suspense, this will tell you a little about Ron “Maulana” Karenga.

    Yes, he’s a torturer of women, and served time for murder. And yes, he’s a professor in a California institution of higher learning.


  232. song_and_dance_man
    236 | December 27, 2012 8:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The ones the libs are after the most are the ones you can still pick up at the dollar store, but they now call them “candy sticks” and package them in cartoon character packages in bags. The did away with the cigarette parody packaging and the died red tips.

    I don’t get the complaint then, What? Are they calling them Newports?


  233. eaglesoars
    237 | December 27, 2012 8:19 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Thanks buzz, reading now.


  234. waldensianspirit
    238 | December 27, 2012 8:21 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ 227 waldensianspirit:
    Chocolate? CHOCOLATE??
    fuck that.

    Phosphate is necessary and good for most people. This was identifying the sources and only need be avoided by folks with more phosphate than they need


  235. 239 | December 27, 2012 8:23 pm

    If you have issues with flatulence and/or gas pains, try Beano. Problem is, it’s costly. But it does help you to digest high-fiber foods such as legumes, cabbage, and other fibrous vegetables.


  236. song_and_dance_man
    240 | December 27, 2012 8:23 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    I use mayo from time to time and don’t bathe in it. I sure hope beef bratwursts don’t fit in the hot dog category cause we eat them at least once a month.


  237. waldensianspirit
    241 | December 27, 2012 8:24 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I can’t reply to your question over at PJM yet, since their stupid delay doesn’t bring your comment up on the main page for me. But, not to leave you in suspense, this will tell you a little about Ron “Maulana” Karenga.
    Yes, he’s a torturer of women, and served time for murder. And yes, he’s a professor in a California institution of higher learning.

    And Obama celebrates his ass


  238. heysoos
    242 | December 27, 2012 8:24 pm

    vodka and Gatorade…
    breakfast of champions


  239. eaglesoars
    243 | December 27, 2012 8:25 pm

    @ 235 buzzsawmonkey:

    What we have to do in this talking, this ethical vision, has first of all to be separated from the right-wing insistence on morality.”

    an amoral/immoral ethical vision. Yep, that oughtta last a long time.


  240. waldensianspirit
    244 | December 27, 2012 8:25 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Just a list of sources. Not a warning against unless phosphate is a problem


  241. song_and_dance_man
    245 | December 27, 2012 8:26 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    And Obama celebrates his ass

    heh

    Kwanzas’


  242. waldensianspirit
    246 | December 27, 2012 8:27 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Ahem…


  243. eaglesoars
    247 | December 27, 2012 8:27 pm

    238 waldensianspirit wrote:

    Phosphate CHOCOLATE is necessary and good for most people.


  244. buzzsawmonkey
    248 | December 27, 2012 8:28 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    I notice that, with the exception of Fred Hampton, the Black Panther who died in a police raid in Chicago, the gangster “black leaders” seem to have managed for the most part to live to a ripe old age.

    Were I conspiracy-minded, I’d consider the possibility that James Earl Ray was a communist stooge like Lee Harvey Oswald, and that the communists who had already wrested leadership of the Civil Rights Movement from King by 1968 paid to have him killed in order to both get a “clean martyr” for cover and to rid themselves of the pro-American, non-antisemitic Christian influence in the Civil Rights Movement.


  245. eaglesoars
    249 | December 27, 2012 8:29 pm

    246 waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Ahem…

    :wink:


  246. song_and_dance_man
    250 | December 27, 2012 8:30 pm

    Endorphins are better sought with healthy exercise.


  247. heysoos
    251 | December 27, 2012 8:31 pm

    if American Negros have to invent holidays that’s fine…expose your heros and prophets so we can all see who you celebrate…why don’t you chisle Al Sharptons mug on a rock somewhere…put him right next to Ray Nagin…Afro heros!


  248. eaglesoars
    252 | December 27, 2012 8:32 pm

    248 buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    the communists who had already wrested leadership of the Civil Rights Movement from King

    Have you seen the statue of MLK here in D.C.? Looks like Mao.


  249. buzzsawmonkey
    253 | December 27, 2012 8:34 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Have you seen the statue of MLK here in D.C.? Looks like Mao.

    Yes. It was sculpted by a Chinese sculptor; apparently they couldn’t/didn’t bother to find an American sculptor.


  250. brookly red
    254 | December 27, 2012 8:40 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    commie creep


  251. 255 | December 27, 2012 8:43 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ 235 buzzsawmonkey:
    What we have to do in this talking, this ethical vision, has first of all to be separated from the right-wing insistence on morality.”
    an amoral/immoral ethical vision. Yep, that oughtta last a long time.

    Exactly like this.


  252. song_and_dance_man
    256 | December 27, 2012 8:44 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Were I conspiracy-minded, I’d consider the possibility that James Earl Ray was a communist stooge like Lee Harvey Oswald, and that the communists who had already wrested leadership of the Civil Rights Movement from King by 1968 paid to have him killed in order to both get a “clean martyr” for cover and to rid themselves of the pro-American, non-antisemitic Christian influence in the Civil Rights Movement.

    That is a mighty and convincing argument there. Well, if I also were conspiratorial minded.

    So that the influence of the late 60′s Left, as it emerged from the SDS clouded ‘revolution’, would have a better course to advance their agenda and would not be buffered by ‘other’ influences that were not kindred to an ultimate and predefined goal, those whose goals were not part of the pattern were dealt with?


  253. eaglesoars
    257 | December 27, 2012 8:44 pm

    @ 254 brookly red:

    The funny part is that the sculptor got a quote wrong and has to re-sculpt.

    What’s creepy is the MLK family. His wife is apparently as dumb as a box of rocks and his kids are all grifters.


  254. eaglesoars
    258 | December 27, 2012 8:47 pm

    @ 255 1389AD:

    I have known atheists who are very good people and acknowledge that there is such a thing as evil. But for the most part, in the liberal world the only higher power is some form of the collective.


  255. song_and_dance_man
    259 | December 27, 2012 8:48 pm

    There is trouble in Mudville.


  256. song_and_dance_man
    260 | December 27, 2012 8:51 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    But for the most part, in the liberal world the only higher power is some form of the collective.

    One word, well two. Global Borgs.


  257. eaglesoars
    261 | December 27, 2012 8:51 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    260 Global Borgs.

    GOOD WORK!! I like it…………


  258. Mars
    262 | December 27, 2012 8:54 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    The ones the libs are after the most are the ones you can still pick up at the dollar store, but they now call them “candy sticks” and package them in cartoon character packages in bags. The did away with the cigarette parody packaging and the died red tips.
    I don’t get the complaint then, What? Are they calling them Newports?

    The libs have been trying to ban them nationwide since the 70′s under the illusion they encourage kids to smoke.

    They’ve actually succeeded two or three times, but they keep coming back due to nostalgia shops. So the snitches go in and report them in areas that still have active bans.


  259. Mars
    263 | December 27, 2012 8:55 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ 254 brookly red:
    The funny part is that the sculptor got a quote wrong and has to re-sculpt.
    What’s creepy is the MLK family. His wife is apparently as dumb as a box of rocks and his kids are all grifters.

    Some of them are great people.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveda_King


  260. buzzsawmonkey
    264 | December 27, 2012 8:56 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    So that the influence of the late 60′s Left, as it emerged from the SDS clouded ‘revolution’, would have a better course to advance their agenda and would not be buffered by ‘other’ influences that were not kindred to an ultimate and predefined goal, those whose goals were not part of the pattern were dealt with?

    Pretty much. King was trending Left by the time he was killed, working slowly towards “human rights” demands for things like full employment, guaranteed income, anti-Vietnam War positions, etc., but he was still more conservative and less confrontational—and more anti-violence—than people like Stokeley Carmichael, Ron Karenga, Huey Newton, Rap Brown, Eldridge Cleaver, and James Foreman. He was pro-Israel; they were pro-Palestinian. As a minister and a Nobel Prize winner he was the perfect martyr, and much more use to the more-violent and far more radical people I have mentioned as a martyr than as a restraining live influence of national stature.


  261. eaglesoars
    265 | December 27, 2012 9:07 pm

    263 Mars wrote:

    Some of them are great people.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveda_King

    Yeah, she is great. I’ve seen her on Hannity’s show.

    But she’s his niece.


  262. song_and_dance_man
    266 | December 27, 2012 9:08 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The libs have been trying to ban them nationwide since the 70′s under the illusion they encourage kids to smoke.

    That is a crock. Kids who smoke are usually among those whose parents smoked. I’m one one of them, although my smoking has been sporadic. On and off for only a small portion of those years. And I can say that chewing on the on the gum of my youth had NOTHING to do with when I first took a puff of one.

    If I had the gumption and forthwith—in a bout of anger at these Lib clowns, and a certain que sera—I would produce candy joints.


  263. eaglesoars
    267 | December 27, 2012 9:12 pm

    266 song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I would produce candy joints.

    The psychological dissonance that would ensue would be hilarious!


  264. waldensianspirit
    268 | December 27, 2012 9:13 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    The usual “So long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work.” eh


  265. waldensianspirit
    269 | December 27, 2012 9:16 pm

    If they don’t stop the fiscal cliff this year a lot of older folks are gonna get the plug pulled on them come New Year’s eve.


  266. Mars
    270 | December 27, 2012 9:17 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    The libs have been trying to ban them nationwide since the 70′s under the illusion they encourage kids to smoke.
    That is a crock. Kids who smoke are usually among those whose parents smoked. I’m one one of them, although my smoking has been sporadic. On and off for only a small portion of those years. And I can say that chewing on the on the gum of my youth had NOTHING to do with when I first took a puff of one.
    If I had the gumption and forthwith—in a bout of anger at these Lib clowns, and a certain que sera—I would produce candy joints.

    @ eaglesoars:
    To this day I have yet to understand their desire to completely ban tobacco yet allow unfettered access to pot in the public square.


  267. eaglesoars
    271 | December 27, 2012 9:21 pm

    269 waldensianspirit wrote:

    If they don’t stop the fiscal cliff this year a lot of older folks are gonna get the plug pulled on them come New Year’s eve.

    People are in for a shock. New York Post printed a chart today to show just high much higher taxes are going to go for each $100K.

    gulp


  268. song_and_dance_man
    272 | December 27, 2012 9:21 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    King was trending Left by the time he was killed,

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    As a minister and a Nobel Prize winner he was the perfect martyr, and much more use to the more-violent and far more radical people I have mentioned as a martyr than as a restraining live influence of national stature.

    We will never know the exact reason he was killed—at least not in our life time—, but there is convincing circumstantial evidence that has nothing to do with him, as a danger from the one who killed him, that adds up to him being a danger to a growing Leftie status quo.

    And to a further point. If one like him, with national influence at this level was assassinated now, the riots in the inner cities would be huge.

    Just sayin


  269. eaglesoars
    273 | December 27, 2012 9:23 pm

    Mars wrote:

    270 yet allow unfettered access to pot in the public square.

    Oh forget pot. What about the people who just want to legalize recreational pharmaceuticals? I do remember you writingabout how they tried decriminalizing pot where you live and in no time it had trickled down to the schools.

    GREAT idea.


  270. buzzsawmonkey
    274 | December 27, 2012 9:25 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    And to a further point. If one like him, with national influence at this level was assassinated now, the riots in the inner cities would be huge.

    They were then. I remember them. It took more than 30 years for some of the places, like Chicago’s West Side and the city of Newark, to begin to recover.


  271. 275 | December 27, 2012 9:27 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I appreciate the info! I don’t beleieve that I have a high soda intake. I’m talking about a couple of cans a week at the very most. But I am taking Brooklyn_red’s advice about the calcium. Sometimes we gotta just be reminded to do these things.


  272. waldensianspirit
    276 | December 27, 2012 9:28 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    A whole bunch of medical equipment is gonna fail New Year’s eve


  273. 277 | December 27, 2012 9:28 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    There is trouble in Mudville.

    Trouble with a ‘T’.


  274. eaglesoars
    278 | December 27, 2012 9:31 pm

    275 Urban Infidel wrote:

    But I am taking Brooklyn_red’s advice about the calcium.

    My doc insists I take a total of 4000 IU of vitamin D every day (my multivitamin is ok on the calcium and has a little over 1000 IU of D, so I take D supplements. Also I take Boniva -- which is hideously expensive even after insurance -- but SOMEBODY’S gotta pay for those Sally Field commercials.


  275. eaglesoars
    279 | December 27, 2012 9:34 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    But I am taking Brooklyn_red’s advice about the calcium

    If you liek dairy products and/or dark leafy grean vegies, the amount of calcium in a regular multivitamin should be sufficient. I don’t like milk, but I eat cheese and yogurt every day. Just love ‘em. Spinach and kale are very good.


  276. eaglesoars
    280 | December 27, 2012 9:36 pm

    276 waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    A whole bunch of medical equipment is gonna fail New Year’s eve

    It won’t be the med equipment -- too expensive to replace given the new taxes on medical devices.

    I’m voting for some version of potassium chloride.


  277. Mars
    281 | December 27, 2012 9:37 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    270 yet allow unfettered access to pot in the public square.
    Oh forget pot. What about the people who just want to legalize recreational pharmaceuticals? I do remember you writingabout how they tried decriminalizing pot where you live and in no time it had trickled down to the schools.
    GREAT idea.

    Yeah, there was no trickle down. It was headed out the back door and down the street in bulk. Every pot shop in town was built within 100 feet of a school. Except for one, it was built across from the mall.


  278. song_and_dance_man
    282 | December 27, 2012 9:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    They were then. I remember them. It took more than 30 years for some of the places, like Chicago’s West Side and the city of Newark, to begin to recover.

    I was a kid when it happened, but I do remember quite explicitly the riots over the Rodney King affray. It was a sham that led from a beating to many deaths and a lot of things burned.


  279. waldensianspirit
    283 | December 27, 2012 9:38 pm

    @ Mars:
    better 200 ft for the exercise


  280. eaglesoars
    284 | December 27, 2012 9:39 pm

    @ 279 eaglesoars</b

    liek

    grean

    god, I’m good……………..


  281. song_and_dance_man
    285 | December 27, 2012 9:39 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Sometimes we gotta just be reminded to do these things.

    there are just too many things that can kill us. I’m on the watch for terrorists and lions.

    /


  282. waldensianspirit
  283. Mars
    287 | December 27, 2012 9:43 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Mars:
    better 200 ft for the exercise

    Heh, funny.


  284. song_and_dance_man
    288 | December 27, 2012 9:47 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    The psychological dissonance that would ensue would be hilarious!

    It was an idea, which I honestly don’t espouse, to jam a bit of reciprocal nonsense up their collective noses and/or other orifices.


  285. eaglesoars
    289 | December 27, 2012 9:50 pm

    288 song_and_dance_man wrote:

    jam a bit of reciprocal nonsense up their collective noses and/or other orifices.

    ooooo! I have an idea! Let’s do candy birth control pills!


  286. waldensianspirit
    290 | December 27, 2012 9:51 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Barbie has to have her free reproductive rights!


  287. eaglesoars
    291 | December 27, 2012 9:52 pm

    282 song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I was a kid when it happened,

    My parents were behind closed doors in their bedroom. I knocked and went in.

    They were loading all the weapons.

    Pittsburgh.


  288. brookly red
    292 | December 27, 2012 9:57 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    there are just too many things that can kill us. I’m on the watch for terrorists and lions.

    the only thing I fear is drivers txting…


  289. buzzsawmonkey
    293 | December 27, 2012 9:57 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I was a teenager, and was supposed to go to a concert in downtown Chicago that night. My parents would not let me go; the entire West Side was burning. Large areas that burned then are still vacant, though there has been some rebuilding in recent years.

    That was when Mayor Daley issued his famous order, “Shoot to kill arsonists. Shoot to maim looters.” He was raked over the coals for that one.


  290. brookly red
    294 | December 27, 2012 9:59 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    282 song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I was a kid when it happened,

    My parents were behind closed doors in their bedroom. I knocked and went in.

    They were loading all the weapons.

    Pittsburgh.

    and there in a nut shell is why Americans will never go for gun control…


  291. 295 | December 27, 2012 9:59 pm

    New laws address gay, immigrant children. Or something. The rest of us will just have to get along somehow..


  292. Mars
    296 | December 27, 2012 10:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    288 song_and_dance_man wrote:
    jam a bit of reciprocal nonsense up their collective noses and/or other orifices.
    ooooo! I have an idea! Let’s do candy birth control pills!

    This is a very Alinsky style approach. (Also referenced in a link posted on here earlier.)

    Ridiculing the libs is a very good idea. The one thing I’ve noticed is that they can’t handle it. Most of their “comedians” come off as bitter, angry freaks. We hit them with ridicule, satire, and slightly mean spirited humor and they will lose their freaking minds.


  293. song_and_dance_man
    297 | December 27, 2012 10:02 pm

    Mars wrote:

    To this day I have yet to understand their desire to completely ban tobacco yet allow unfettered access to pot in the public square.

    It’s all local. I can see this flying there in Berkeley, if the Pig hasn’t already taken wing on a Chronic induced flight.

    There are parts of the country that are not sold on this yet. Here for instance. When I went to my sons first public school orientation the schools choir sang about Jesus and God. I felt like I was in San Fran about 101.85 years ago.


  294. eaglesoars
    298 | December 27, 2012 10:03 pm

    295 Urban Infidel wrote:

    The rest of us will just have to get along somehow..

    see my 271 -- see the chart I linked to.

    NOBODY will be getting along somehow or other

    Those new taxes do not include Obamacare.


  295. brookly red
    299 | December 27, 2012 10:04 pm

    Mars wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    288 song_and_dance_man wrote:
    jam a bit of reciprocal nonsense up their collective noses and/or other orifices.
    ooooo! I have an idea! Let’s do candy birth control pills!

    This is a very Alinsky style approach. (Also referenced in a link posted on here earlier.)

    Ridiculing the libs is a very good idea. The one thing I’ve noticed is that they can’t handle it. Most of their “comedians” come off as bitter, angry freaks. We hit them with ridicule, satire, and slightly mean spirited humor and they will lose their freaking minds.

    damn skippy…


  296. brookly red
    300 | December 27, 2012 10:05 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    New laws address gay, immigrant children. Or something. The rest of us will just have to get along somehow..

    you should be at least 18 to immigrate, gay or not…


  297. brookly red
    301 | December 27, 2012 10:07 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    295 Urban Infidel wrote:

    The rest of us will just have to get along somehow..

    see my 271 — see the chart I linked to.

    NOBODY will be getting along somehow or other

    Those new taxes do not include Obamacare.

    yup, money changes everything… up until now libs were tolerated because we could afford to be tolerant, that is over.


  298. Mars
    302 | December 27, 2012 10:08 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    To this day I have yet to understand their desire to completely ban tobacco yet allow unfettered access to pot in the public square.
    It’s all local. I can see this flying there in Berkeley, if the Pig hasn’t already taken wing on a Chronic induced flight.
    There are parts of the country that are not sold on this yet. Here for instance. When I went to my sons first public school orientation the schools choir sang about Jesus and God. I felt like I was in San Fran about 101.85 years ago.

    MT made the mistake here. Then the state senate rectified it. The court upheld the senates stance. The potheads took it back to the voters. The voters upheld the senate. So since libs never surrender they are probably headed back to court again.

    The moral. The voters voted for it, watched what happened and decided never again.


  299. eaglesoars
    303 | December 27, 2012 10:08 pm

    296 Mars wrote:

    Ridiculing the libs is a very good idea.

    I’m of the opinion that much of this conflict is cultural, so my idea is to go after -- with ridicule -- their cultural icons.

    Starting with Sandra Fluke.

    Who doesn’t like the way ‘we’ raise our boys.

    Next up -- ‘gender neutral’ Easy Bake ovens and the exploitation of a 9-yr old girl to carry that water.


  300. eaglesoars
    304 | December 27, 2012 10:13 pm

    301 brookly red wrote:

    yup, money changes everything

    Just wait. Want to leave California because of the confiscatory tax rates. You’ll have to leave -- say 10% -- of all assests to the state coffers.

    And don’t think for a minute that Obama/Geitner aren’t above ‘borrowing’ from private IRA/SEP accts and issuing IOUs in the form of Treasury ‘bonds’.

    Run.


  301. Mars
    305 | December 27, 2012 10:13 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    296 Mars wrote:
    Ridiculing the libs is a very good idea.
    I’m of the opinion that much of this conflict is cultural, so my idea is to go after — with ridicule — their cultural icons.
    Starting with Sandra Fluke.
    Who doesn’t like the way ‘we’ raise our boys.
    Next up — ‘gender neutral’ Easy Bake ovens and the exploitation of a 9-yr old girl to carry that water.

    Heck yes.

    That’s why we need a conservative form of the daily show or something similar on a major television outlet.

    Also take it to the radio. (Though Rush does pretty good even though libs pretend not to get the jokes.)

    There was a conservative comedians tour a few years back that was pretty good. It would be nice to see more of those.


  302. buzzsawmonkey
    306 | December 27, 2012 10:14 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    New laws address gay, immigrant children. Or something. The rest of us will just have to get along somehow..

    From the article:

    California also approved a law exempting clergy members opposed to gay marriage from performing same-sex marriage ceremonies.

    In California, a first-of-its-kind law bans a form of psychotherapy aimed at making gay teenagers straight but is on hold during a court challenge. The law would ban what is known as reparative or conversion therapy for minors; such therapies are widely discredited by medical professionals.

    The fact that California felt there had to be a law—for a while, until it is overturned—exempting clergy from being forced to perform rites contrary to their beliefs shows you precisely where the same-sex marriage push is going. The purpose is to destroy traditional religion and to render the Bible “hate speech.”

    Regarding “reparative or conversion therapy,” California used to be one of the places where extreme measures, such as shock therapy or lobotomy, were routinely used to “cure” homosexual. Now, of course, the prevailing wisdom is not “cure,” but “cure/change is impossible”—despite the fact that people change their behavior all the time.


  303. 307 | December 27, 2012 10:15 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    NOBODY will be getting along somehow or other

    I realized that as I typed out those words. It’s a gloomy feeling that I’ve managed to mercifully keep at an arm’s distance through the holidays.


  304. song_and_dance_man
    308 | December 27, 2012 10:16 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    ooooo! I have an idea! Let’s do candy birth control pills!

    RU486? are you for 86? Call them diet pills.

    The name of that pill is a likely un-amusing naming like giving West Hollywood the zip 90069


  305. song_and_dance_man
    309 | December 27, 2012 10:20 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    My parents were behind closed doors in their bedroom. I knocked and went in.

    They were loading all the weapons.

    Pittsburgh.

    I’ve never been close to action like that. I need a gun. sorry left


  306. eaglesoars
    310 | December 27, 2012 10:25 pm

    307 Urban Infidel wrote:

    It’s a gloomy feeling that I’ve managed to mercifully keep at an arm’s distance through the holidays.

    Cheer up! Misery loves company and we’re going to be getting a lot of if -- specifically from people who voted for Obama thinking they were ‘sticking it to the man’.

    Remember the 2008 campaign and that idiot BLACK woman who said OBAMA GONNA BUY ME A NEW HOUSE!!

    Where’s he going to get the money?

    I DUNNO -- HE GOTTA STASH SOMEWHERE!!

    Remember this campaign and the BLACK Obamaphone moron?

    They voted for him because they thought it would hurt me. It will. But I voted against him because I knew it would hurt them far more than it will me.

    As for the ‘elite’ -- I’m just going to watch their faces as everything crumbles -- and blaming the Republicans doesn’t work.

    Here’s lookin’ at you Mika.


  307. song_and_dance_man
    311 | December 27, 2012 10:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    the only thing I fear is drivers txting…

    They are dicks. No, I’m not using foul language. They are investigators chicking their sources.

    /


  308. eaglesoars
    312 | December 27, 2012 10:29 pm

    309 song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I need a gun

    *sigh*

    talk to lobo91 and mars. And Iron Fist. They’ll help you figure out what you need.

    Make sure you contact your local chapter of the NRA.


  309. eaglesoars
  310. song_and_dance_man
    314 | December 27, 2012 10:36 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I can’t recall if the Watts riots were a response to this, but I do remember when this happened. The fires burned within 5 miles of where I lived. The whole of Five Points was burned and looted.

    Other things that were scary as a kid living in LA were the Tate/La Bianci murders and the Night Stalker. Fact. A pastor friend of mine’s wife was one if not the only one that survived the Night Stalker’s attacks.


  311. CynicalConservative
    315 | December 27, 2012 10:40 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I can help too. Also Mike C.

    /galt


  312. 316 | December 27, 2012 10:44 pm

    New Thread.


  313. song_and_dance_man
    317 | December 27, 2012 10:44 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    New laws address gay, immigrant children. Or something. The rest of us will just have to get along somehow..

    An old and new narrative rolls along. I’m on another track.


  314. eaglesoars
    318 | December 27, 2012 10:46 pm

    276 waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    A whole bunch of medical equipment is gonna fail New Year’s eve

    Or we could just deport them.

    Germany accused of ‘deporting’ its elderly: Rising numbers moved to Asia and Eastern Europe because of sky-high care costs

    German pensioners are being sent to care homes in Eastern Europe and Asia in what has been described as an ‘inhumane deportation’.

    Rising numbers of the elderly and sick are moved overseas for long-term care because of sky-high costs at home.

    Some private healthcare providers are even building homes overseas, while state insurers are also investigating whether they can care for their clients abroad.

    Experts describe a time bomb’ of increasing numbers unable to afford the growing costs of retirement homes.


  315. Mars
    319 | December 27, 2012 10:48 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    309 song_and_dance_man wrote:
    I need a gun
    *sigh*
    talk to lobo91 and mars. And Iron Fist. They’ll help you figure out what you need.
    Make sure you contact your local chapter of the NRA.

    Went with a small Kel-tec 9mm. Then even though Lobo warned against it I also put a hi-point 40 S&W on layaway (Found a 6 month layaway and it was only 129. Got ammo for the 9. It came with a case and a trigger lock. The Hi point will come with a trigger lock and a ghost ring sight to replace the standard sights.

    Also found out if I still want a Mosin that one of our stores in town (that I never checked before) has the Mosin Nagants for 119 and three month layaway.


  316. song_and_dance_man
    320 | December 27, 2012 10:51 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I know what i need. I used to own a browning high power and a glock. both 9. My wife didn’t want them in the house so I ridded.


  317. Mars
    321 | December 27, 2012 10:56 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I know what i need. I used to own a browning high power and a glock. both 9. My wife didn’t want them in the house so I ridded.

    I don’t think I could deal with that. At least not now, after having lived with a woman with absurd ideas and whims.

    If I ever find anyone again in my life it will be difficult for me to bend on certain things. Now that I’m a gun owner I will not bend on that. And there are some things with my children that I can’t compromise on. (Though with my ex I have to compromise so many things so much of the time.)


  318. eaglesoars
    322 | December 27, 2012 10:56 pm

    @ 319 Mars:

    happy happy!


  319. eaglesoars
    323 | December 27, 2012 11:00 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    320 My wife didn’t want them in the house so I ridded.

    my best male friend made the same mistake.

    Listen up guys -- if a woman tells you to get rid of the weapons -- get rid of the woman.


  320. Mars
    324 | December 27, 2012 11:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ 319 Mars:
    happy happy!

    Heh, reminds me of a comment from a favorite show of mine. Happy, happy, happy.

    Thank you for everything. Between you and my children you made my Christmas amazing.

    I gave my kids a bigger and better Christmas than they have had in years.Now we are only two days away and it’s back to “I want”.
    Guess we have to take the small victories. lol.
    And the guns were my gifts. I felt like a kid.

    (Now I just have to figure out how to break down, lubricate and clean them.)

    Having had an m-16 for 5 years of service, pistols are a whole new world for me.


  321. Mars
    325 | December 27, 2012 11:02 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    320 My wife didn’t want them in the house so I ridded.
    my best male friend made the same mistake.
    Listen up guys — if a woman tells you to get rid of the weapons — get rid of the woman.

    I’m on that page.


  322. lobo91
    326 | December 27, 2012 11:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Listen up guys — if a woman tells you to get rid of the weapons — get rid of the woman.

    Amen

    Although it’s pretty much a hypothetical concern for me…


  323. song_and_dance_man
    327 | December 27, 2012 11:05 pm

    Love does so many strange things to a man.

    btw we’re all upstairs now.


  324. eaglesoars
    328 | December 27, 2012 11:07 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Thank you for everything

    hush.


  325. Mars
    329 | December 27, 2012 11:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Listen up guys — if a woman tells you to get rid of the weapons — get rid of the woman.
    Amen
    Although it’s pretty much a hypothetical concern for me…

    Thank you for all your suggestions. I did settle on a small Kel-tec for my primary and probably eventual ccw.
    Got a couple other Kel-tecs to check out at a dealer that was closed over the holidays. Might have to consider another during tax return time.


  326. lobo91
    330 | December 27, 2012 11:13 pm

    @ Mars:

    Then even though Lobo warned against it I also put a hi-point 40 S&W on layaway

    Never know when you’ll need a throwaway gun to plant on a body, I suppose… ;)


  327. lobo91
    331 | December 27, 2012 11:14 pm

    @ Mars:

    For the money, Kel-Tecs are pretty hard to beat.


  328. Mars
    332 | December 27, 2012 11:18 pm

    Ok breakdown is far easier than I thought it would be.


  329. huckfunn
    333 | December 27, 2012 11:18 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I know what i need. I used to own a browning high power and a glock. both 9. My wife didn’t want them in the house so I ridded.

    Here are 3 small carry pieces that I own.

    Springfield Armory XD-9 9mm Sub Compact

    Ruger Model LC9, 9mm

    Ruger LCR .38 SPL+P

    The Springfield is my favorite.


  330. Mars
    334 | December 27, 2012 11:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Then even though Lobo warned against it I also put a hi-point 40 S&W on layaway
    Never know when you’ll need a throwaway gun to plant on a body, I suppose…

    Lol, I like the way it feels, it has an unlimited lifetime warranty, and it makes a good target gun to practice with. Plus it has a nice large round. (Though I thought of spending 20 more for the 45.)


  331. lobo91
    335 | December 27, 2012 11:21 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Ok breakdown is far easier than I thought it would be.

    Most of the newer guns are. There’s been a real move toward simplicity recently.


  332. lobo91
    336 | December 27, 2012 11:23 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I carry a Glock 27 when I can, and a Taurus 850 (S&W J-frame clone) when I can’t.


  333. Mars
    337 | December 27, 2012 11:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    For the money, Kel-Tecs are pretty hard to beat.

    I’ve seen some beauties on my local dealers site.
    http://buttsgunsales.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=168_122&product_id=11065

    This thing is weird but I like it. I know my dad talked about a similar one but it was changeable barrels and was a “snake killer”.


  334. lobo91
    338 | December 27, 2012 11:29 pm

    @ Mars:

    The only reason that thing is chambered to take .45LC rounds is so that it will be legal, same as the Taurus Judge. If it only took .410 shotgun shells, the ATF would ban it.


  335. huckfunn
    339 | December 27, 2012 11:30 pm

    @ lobo91:
    The Springfield is pretty much a knock-off of the Glock, but it’s a great little shooter. I’ve put about 1000 rounds through it without one jam. My wife got me a Crimson Trace for the LCR last year. It’s my red dot special.


  336. Mars
    340 | December 27, 2012 11:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    The only reason that thing is chambered to take .45LC rounds is so that it will be legal, same as the Taurus Judge. If it only took .410 shotgun shells, the ATF would ban it.

    Makes sense. Would it be a decent low cost alternative to the Judge?


  337. Mars
    341 | December 27, 2012 11:33 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    The Springfield is pretty much a knock-off of the Glock, but it’s a great little shooter. I’ve put about 1000 rounds through it without one jam. My wife got me a Crimson Trace for the LCR last year. It’s my red dot special.

    I love the Crimson Traces but they seem pretty expensive. Though I suppose it’s more reliable and better than a basic laser sight.


  338. lobo91
    342 | December 27, 2012 11:36 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    The XD is a decent gun. I prefer it to the S&W M&P, when it comes to Glock clones. Takedown of the S&W is weird.

    Most everything SA makes is good.


  339. huckfunn
    343 | December 27, 2012 11:37 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I love the Crimson Traces but they seem pretty expensive. Though I suppose it’s more reliable and better than a basic laser sight.

    There’s another outfit called Laser Max which is about 1/2 the price of a Crimson Trace. However, I checked the reviews and it had multiple reliability issues.


  340. lobo91
    344 | December 27, 2012 11:38 pm

    @ Mars:

    Makes sense. Would it be a decent low cost alternative to the Judge?

    I’m not familiar with that brand, so I couldn’t tell you.

    Those things tend to be more conversation pieces than anything else. Not really practical. Way too big and heavy.


  341. lobo91
    345 | December 27, 2012 11:39 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I’ve heard similar things about them.

    I have a Glock light/laser unit mounted on the rail under my 35, but that’s not really a comparable product.

    Built like a tank, though.


  342. huckfunn
    346 | December 27, 2012 11:47 pm

    @ lobo91:
    The laser grips are hard to beat. Don’t even know they’re there.


  343. lobo91
    347 | December 27, 2012 11:53 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I don’t really use the laser much except as a training aid. I like having the flashlight, though. That’s the gun that I keep in my nightstand. Never have to go digging for a light.


  344. waldensianspirit
    348 | December 28, 2012 7:55 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    That is just sinful!


  345. 349 | December 28, 2012 9:38 am

    Mars wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    I know what i need. I used to own a browning high power and a glock. both 9. My wife didn’t want them in the house so I ridded.

    I don’t think I could deal with that. At least not now, after having lived with a woman with absurd ideas and whims.
    If I ever find anyone again in my life it will be difficult for me to bend on certain things. Now that I’m a gun owner I will not bend on that. And there are some things with my children that I can’t compromise on. (Though with my ex I have to compromise so many things so much of the time.)

    Also don’t get rid of your animals because somebody else doesn’t like them.


  346. 350 | December 28, 2012 12:31 pm

    I have no faith i nhte government right now. I think a gun ban is i nthe works, and I expect it will involve conviscation. The present enviroment is ripe for picking though, and I made the most of it. Sold my good stuff for a handsome profit. Doesn’t mean I’m unarmed, my ancient 30-40 will kill at a mile, and make soup at 200 yards.
    maybe I’m stupid, if so, so be it. I saw this as the only chance to turn a huge profit with no name on it.


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