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America’s Progressive/Neo-Feudal future enabled by Republicans ineptitude and Media bias

by Rodan ( 181 Comments › )
Filed under Democratic Party, Liberal Fascism, Progressives, Republican Party at December 28th, 2012 - 3:00 pm

The Republican Party has a problem. They have lost the popular vote 5 out of the last 6 Presidential elections. Yet many Republicans continue to exist in a state of denial and have become very hostile when new ideas or tactics are floated. This has resulted in the Democrats not having a credible opposition at the national level. With no credible opposition, Democrats are creating a  Neo-Feudal system that only benefits an elite core of the Democrat party.

Republicans refuse to reach out to Democrats who do not benefit from this Neo-Feudal system. Instead the inept Establishment tries to copy the Democrats and the Purists want the GOP as their exclusive club.

The media has helped the Democrats and are the 800 lb Gorilla in the room. They love to interview people like Santorum, Bachmann or Coulter knowing full well that will make statements that makes Republicans look bad. Notice Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Susana Martinez, Pat Toomey or Bobby Jindal do not get many interviews? The media know what they are doing and are using Republican incompetence to assist the Democrats establish their Neo-Feudal state.

Progressives may be a lot less religious  than conservatives, but these days they have reason to think that Providence– or Gaia — has taken on a bluish hue.

From the solid re-election of President Obama, to a host of demographic and social trends, the progressives seem poised to achieve what Ruy Texeira predicted a decade ago:  an “emerging Democratic majority” .

Virtually all the groups that backed Obama — singles, millennials, Hispanics, Asians — are all growing bigger while many of the core Republican groups, such as evangelicals  and intact families, appear in  secular decline.

And then, the Republicans, ham handed themselves, are virtually voiceless (outside of the Murdoch empire) in the mainstream national media.

Whatever the issue that comes up — from Hurricane Sandy to the Newtown shootings or the “fiscal cliffs” — the Republicans, congenitally inept to start with, end up being portrayed as even more oafish.

[….]

Of the now triumphant urban gentry have their townhouses and high-rise lofts, but the service workers who do their dirty work have to log their way by bus or car from the vast American banlieues, either in peripheral parts of the city (think of Brooklyn’s impoverished fringes) or the poorer close-in suburbs. This progressive economy works from the well-placed academics, the trustfunders and hedge funders, but produces little opportunity for a better life for the vast majority of the middle and working class.

[….]

Over time, the cultural identity and lifestyle politics practiced so brilliantly by the President and his team could begin to wear thin even with their core constituencies.  Hispanics, for example, have suffered grievously in the recession — some 28%  now live in poverty, the highest of any ethnic group.

It’s possible that the unnatural cohesion between gentry progressives and Latinos will tear asunder. For one thing Hispanics seek out life in suburbs with homes and backyards, and often drive more energy-consuming cars that fit the needs of family and work, notably construction and labor blue collar industries — all targets of the gentry and green agenda.

[….]

Of course, the blues have one inestimable advantage: a perennially stupid Republican party and a largely clueless, ideologically hidebound conservative movement. Constant missteps on issues like immigration and gay rights could keep even disappointed minority or younger votes in the President’s pocket. You can’t win new adherents by being the party of no and know-nothing. You also have to acknowledge that inequality is real and develop a program to promote upward mobility.

Unless that is done, the new generation and new Americans likely will continue to bow to the blue idols, irrespective to the failures that gentry progressivism all but guarantees.

The ineptitude of the Republican Party is the best weapons Democrats have. Rather than learn the lesson from the 2012 defeat Republicans have gone into denial and excuse making.  This is a recipe for Democrat dominance for the foreseeable future. If people feel you hate them, they will not vote for you. The Media has played up this nasty Republican reaction to their loss.

Nature abhors a vacuum and I do not see the Democrats dominating permanently. Many Republicans will get tired of losing and will either rebel against the inept Establishment and the Purists or will establish a new Center Right Party.

The Democrats have a very unstable coalition that can be easily picked apart by a competent opposition. But the Republican Party is not competent, nor is it interested in reaching out to new voters. Unless Democrats go after guns, an issue that the GOP is actually good on, they will dominate politics until challenged by a reformed Republican Party or a New Center-Right Party. For now, the Progressives can enjoy their Neo-Fedual state they are building. They can thank the media and the GOP for their power!

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181 Responses to “America’s Progressive/Neo-Feudal future enabled by Republicans ineptitude and Media bias”
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  1. buzzsawmonkey
    1 | December 28, 2012 3:09 pm

    Nature abhors a vacuum

    But it loves a carpet sweeper.


  2. 2 | December 28, 2012 3:10 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Swifter is better!


  3. RIX
    3 | December 28, 2012 3:12 pm

    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.
    Alexis de Tocqueville
    Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/alexis_de_tocqueville.html#Y75edrRHozV5xcTM.99

    He saw this coming.


  4. buzzsawmonkey
    4 | December 28, 2012 3:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Swifter is better!

    Are you suggesting that the Democrats be Swiffer-boated?


  5. 5 | December 28, 2012 3:18 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Absolutely!


  6. Mars
    6 | December 28, 2012 3:24 pm

    The Dem coalition is a house of cards. Many do not see that they see this huge monolithic force that can’t be destroyed.

    The weakness with the dems is it’s made up of hundreds of small little special interest groups that have no interest in anything outside of their group. The dems pander to these groups and their special issues. Eventually these issues will conflict and cause a rift.

    The republican party is a coalition of individuals, with many varying ideas and ideals. Everyone has their “thing” but all are usually willing to work with the others in order to achieve the goals of small government, lower taxes, more freedom.

    If we can find a way to get our message out in a clear, coherent fashion then their coalitions dissolve.


  7. buzzsawmonkey
    7 | December 28, 2012 3:27 pm

    It would be very, very interesting if someone opened a gun store that advertised itself as selling “tyranny resistance tools” instead of “sporting goods.”


  8. Mars
    8 | December 28, 2012 3:28 pm

    We also need to continue mocking them. I’ve been seeing a lot of mockery of the libs popping up online lately and it’s refreshing.

    When you make people laugh you can also make them think.


  9. 9 | December 28, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ Mars:

    The Dem coalition is a house of cards. Many do not see that they see this huge monolithic force that can’t be destroyed.

    As this article points out, it’s a Neo-Feudal system where Dem Elites use other Dems as Serfs.

    Everyone has their “thing” but all are usually willing to work with the others in order to achieve the goals of small government, lower taxes, more freedom.

    If we can find a way to get our message out in a clear, coherent fashion then their coalitions dissolve.

    They key would be for Republicans to actually govern this way.


  10. 10 | December 28, 2012 3:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It would be very, very interesting if someone opened a gun store that advertised itself as selling “tyranny resistance tools” instead of “sporting goods.”

    Messaging is a big part of the problem.


  11. 11 | December 28, 2012 3:30 pm

    Mars wrote:

    We also need to continue mocking them. I’ve been seeing a lot of mockery of the libs popping up online lately and it’s refreshing.
    When you make people laugh you can also make them think.

    That is what we should have been doing. Instead with the help of the media, people just see an angry faced Conservative.


  12. Mars
    12 | December 28, 2012 3:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    The Dem coalition is a house of cards. Many do not see that they see this huge monolithic force that can’t be destroyed.
    As this article points out, it’s a Neo-Feudal system where Dem Elites use other Dems as Serfs.
    Everyone has their “thing” but all are usually willing to work with the others in order to achieve the goals of small government, lower taxes, more freedom.
    If we can find a way to get our message out in a clear, coherent fashion then their coalitions dissolve.
    They key would be for Republicans to actually govern this way.

    True. Boehner has proven how the elites prefer to govern.


  13. buzzsawmonkey
    13 | December 28, 2012 3:35 pm

    Mars wrote:

    We also need to continue mocking them. I’ve been seeing a lot of mockery of the libs popping up online lately and it’s refreshing.

    When you make people laugh you can also make them think.

    True.

    On a similar line, I remember thinking that Rick Perry looked so uncomfortable in a suit, and did so badly, that he would have done much better to have shown up at the debates in a cowboy shirt and boots, and jeans, and yelled “Yeehaw!” He would have been a lot more comfortable, would have thrown all the suit boys off their game, and might have come across as a genuine candidate.


  14. Mars
    14 | December 28, 2012 3:39 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    We also need to continue mocking them. I’ve been seeing a lot of mockery of the libs popping up online lately and it’s refreshing.
    When you make people laugh you can also make them think.
    True.
    On a similar line, I remember thinking that Rick Perry looked so uncomfortable in a suit, and did so badly, that he would have done much better to have shown up at the debates in a cowboy shirt and boots, and jeans, and yelled “Yeehaw!” He would have been a lot more comfortable, would have thrown all the suit boys off their game, and might have come across as a genuine candidate.

    I wish we had more Wyoming politicians running. They are mostly no no nonsense types. And many do show up in Jeans, western shirts, cowboy hats, and bolo ties.


  15. buzzsawmonkey
    15 | December 28, 2012 3:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    That is what we should have been doing. Instead with the help of the media, people just see an angry faced Conservative.


    This is the face we need! George C. Tilyou for party spokesman!


  16. Mars
    16 | December 28, 2012 3:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    That is what we should have been doing. Instead with the help of the media, people just see an angry faced Conservative.

    This is the face we need! George C. Tilyou for party spokesman!

    Heh, on a slightly more serious note I did list some time back several conservative answers to the Bill Maher/Colbert/Stewart types.


  17. buzzsawmonkey
    17 | December 28, 2012 3:45 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Heh, on a slightly more serious note I did list some time back several conservative answers to the Bill Maher/Colbert/Stewart types.

    Bill Maher looks like one of those rubber ventriloquist “practice faces” they used to sell in joke shops.

    I would love—love!—to see someone with ventriloquism skills take one of those old faces and do a “dialog with Bill Maher” bit on TV, in a Senor Wences style.

    It would drive Maher wild, and would be a brilliant way to start undercutting his media influence.


  18. Mars
    18 | December 28, 2012 3:46 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Heh, on a slightly more serious note I did list some time back several conservative answers to the Bill Maher/Colbert/Stewart types.
    Bill Maher looks like one of those rubber ventriloquist “practice faces” they used to sell in joke shops.
    I would love—love!—to see someone with ventriloquism skills take one of those old faces and do a “dialog with Bill Maher” bit on TV, in a Senor Wences style.
    It would drive Maher wild, and would be a brilliant way to start undercutting his media influence.

    That would be great.

    But you couldn’t use anything Maher said or you’d be racist. (There’s very little that comes out of his mouth that isn’t racist, sexist or otherwise wrong. And I’m not talking PC stuff, I’m talking down right evil crap.)


  19. waldensianspirit
    19 | December 28, 2012 3:47 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Talk to Dunham


  20. 20 | December 28, 2012 3:50 pm

    Great piece Rodan, though I think that your assertion that “the media has helped the Democrats and are the 800 lb Gorilla in the room” is an uncharacteristic understatement; they’re the major factor.

    I know I’m oft perceived as an apologist, but can you name a single Republican in your lifetime that is/was not viscously ridiculed? Reagan has only recently been given respectful treatment and that’s only because he’s been dead for some time. Yes, we can be breathtakingly inept but, since very Republican that comes down the pike is portrayed as a fool, how would America know a true statesman is they say one.

    It’s a tough nut as “the media” are becoming more pervasive by the hour with the entertainment industry increasingly serving up political talking points for the left; the Media/Entertainment Complex is controlling the message, and the image, of anyone who dares step onto the political stage. The sad truth is that the media are even having a profound impact on how Republican politicians are perceived by fellow Republicans.

    The battle is as much for influence over the Media/Entertainment Complex as it is over the political realm, itself. To that end, we need to master the culture instead of retiring from it (as we have discussed on many occasions), and continue to dominate those segments of the “New Media” where we are currently dominant, and make inroads in those segments where we aren’t.

    We also need to be more cohesive and give the practice of “eating our own” a rest, at least until we get some footing. We’re in an epic battle with the Left and we need to understand that even RINOs are better than Leftist Democrats – we need to embrace incrementalism and understand the concept that any forward movement is better than regression.


  21. Lily
    21 | December 28, 2012 3:54 pm

    Mars wrote:

    We also need to continue mocking them. I’ve been seeing a lot of mockery of the libs popping up online lately and it’s refreshing.
    When you make people laugh you can also make them think.

    There is a lot of truth told in jest. And I agree mocking is the best form of dealing with them. They tend to be thick-headed and thin-skinned.
    /of course I could be describing myself here lately. I have been a cranky one lately. ;)


  22. waldensianspirit
    22 | December 28, 2012 3:55 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    we need to embrace incrementalism

    We don’t have time


  23. 23 | December 28, 2012 3:57 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    We also need to be more cohesive and give the practice of “eating our own” a rest, at least until we get some footing. We’re in an epic battle with the Left and we need to understand that even RINOs are better than Leftist Democrats — we need to embrace incrementalism and understand the concept that any forward movement is better than regression.

    Let be honest, much of my current writing were influenced by something you said. The problem with the GOP is not just the Establishment, but this Purist Inquisition that labels anyone a RINO who veers off on one issue. I see the reaction of people on blogs and talk shows go into nasty attacks on anyone who proposes a new tactic or news idea to make Republicans more electable.It’s almost as if a segment of the GOP loves losing as long as they are pure.


  24. yenta-fada
    24 | December 28, 2012 3:57 pm

    @ Lily:

    Hi, sweetie. How are you doing?


  25. yenta-fada
    25 | December 28, 2012 4:01 pm

    As this points out, “Math is coming”. The dems will blame the powerless Republicans because their whole system is depends on scapegoating and propaganda. They are lawless and flaunt their power openly. The bill is coming due and nations are accelerating their competitive currency race to zero. Protect yourselves.

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/math-is-coming/


  26. 26 | December 28, 2012 4:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The problem with the GOP is not just the Establishment, but this Purist Inquisition that labels anyone a RINO who veers off on one issue. I see the reaction of people on blogs and talk shows go into nasty attacks on anyone who proposes a new tactic or news idea to make Republicans more electable.It’s almost as if a segment of the GOP loves losing as long as they are pure.

    Beautifully said.


  27. yenta-fada
    27 | December 28, 2012 4:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The Social Contract is breaking down day by day. Living in denial is preferable to actual solutions which won’t come from politicians. It’s a club and you’re not in it.


  28. yenta-fada
    28 | December 28, 2012 4:04 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Gee, I must be in a bad mood.


  29. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | December 28, 2012 4:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The problem with the GOP is not just the Establishment, but this Purist Inquisition that labels anyone a RINO who veers off on one issue. I see the reaction of people on blogs and talk shows go into nasty attacks on anyone who proposes a new tactic or news idea to make Republicans more electable.It’s almost as if a segment of the GOP loves losing as long as they are pure.

    That is a two-edged sword; it goes to slamming “conservatives as scolds,” as you’ve been doing, too.

    The real problem, though, is using “conservative” as a noun; are you “a conservative?” well, only if you tick off boxes A, C, and D on the quiz.

    Forget about whether or not someone is “a conservative”; use “conservative” as an adjective. Is that person “conservative?” Is that a conservative or a progressive opinion or position? Apply “conservative” to the opinions or actions, not the person.


  30. 30 | December 28, 2012 4:08 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    My whole adult life, I have seen either very narrow Republican wins or Big Democratic victories. I am tired of losing. Yet many Republicans seem to have develop a culture of Martyrdom. This is politics, there is nothing noble about being loser.

    That is why I don’t understand how loons like Michele Bachmann or Rick Santorum are viewed as heroes by some on the Right. The GOP of the 1980’s would have laughed these 2 out of the political scene. The truth is that the GOP of the 1980’s was more inclusive and believed in winning.


  31. Mars
    31 | December 28, 2012 4:09 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    The problem with the GOP is not just the Establishment, but this Purist Inquisition that labels anyone a RINO who veers off on one issue. I see the reaction of people on blogs and talk shows go into nasty attacks on anyone who proposes a new tactic or news idea to make Republicans more electable.It’s almost as if a segment of the GOP loves losing as long as they are pure.
    That is a two-edged sword; it goes to slamming “conservatives as scolds,” as you’ve been doing, too.
    The real problem, though, is using “conservative” as a noun; are you “a conservative?” well, only if you tick off boxes A, C, and D on the quiz.
    Forget about whether or not someone is “a conservative”; use “conservative” as an adjective. Is that person “conservative?” Is that a conservative or a progressive opinion or position? Apply “conservative” to the opinions or actions, not the person.

    Bingo.

    Incrementalism is fine, especially if you have the time. It’s what got the dems where they are now.


  32. 32 | December 28, 2012 4:10 pm

    Alas, the people who would provide the solution to our looming final crisis should have been born quite some time ago, but they weren’t.


  33. Mars
    33 | December 28, 2012 4:14 pm

    This is why I told people not to just shrug off the media created “gun debate” because the libs can’t win. IF they get even ONE small victory in this it opens the way to more. How do you think we’ve gotten to where we are at this point? Incremementalism. Dems are masters they think in 50 year jumps.

    But the Muzz make them look like amateurs. They think in 1000 year jumps.


  34. 34 | December 28, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The problem is that Conservative is a broad spectrum. You have people like me who have a live and let live attitude. Then you have Nany Staters like Santorum or Huckabee who envision some government enforced Utopia.


  35. 35 | December 28, 2012 4:16 pm

    @ Mars:

    The Right won the gun debate big time. Notice Obama is not talking about it no more.


  36. Mars
    36 | December 28, 2012 4:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    The Right won the gun debate big time. Notice Obama is not talking about it no more.

    We won but it’s not over. After the first of the year there will be a bill. It will fail, then they will put forward a less restrictive bill and use the press to beat the republicans into “bi-partisanship”.


  37. 37 | December 28, 2012 4:19 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    That is a two-edged sword; it goes to slamming “conservatives as scolds,” as you’ve been doing, too.

    The real problem, though, is using “conservative” as a noun; are you “a conservative?” well, only if you tick off boxes A, C, and D on the quiz.

    Forget about whether or not someone is “a conservative”; use “conservative” as an adjective. Is that person “conservative?” Is that a conservative or a progressive opinion or position? Apply “conservative” to the opinions or actions, not the person.

    The Democrats, liberals, the Left, whatever you want to call them, don’t tend to publicly gradate their “liberalism” in the way Republicans gradate their “conservatism”. That’s a fundamental difference, and it matters.


  38. 38 | December 28, 2012 4:21 pm

    @ Mars:

    If the GOP shows any sign of “compromise”, the Progressives will jump on it. We need to keep the pressure up.


  39. 39 | December 28, 2012 4:22 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    The irony is that many Conservatives are really Liberal in the classical definition of the word. Many of us just want to be left alone and make money. Some Conservatives are really Reactionaries who hate any change. That is why Conservative is such a problematic word.


  40. Mars
    40 | December 28, 2012 4:25 pm

    In fact I would bet it will probably be the Feinstein bill first. That way the dems can put on a big show of voting against it in a show of “bi-partisanship”. Then they will put forward a bill limiting magazines, ammo, or something similar. Then when the republicans resist they will go to the press declaring that they worked with the republicans to turn down the Feinstein bill so why wont the republicans work with them on “common sense” legislation.


  41. 41 | December 28, 2012 4:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    The irony is that many Conservatives are really Liberal in the classical definition of the word. Many of us just want to be left alone and make money. Some Conservatives are really Reactionaries who hate any change. That is why Conservative is such a problematic word.

    Simply put, libertarianism is the future of the Republican Party.


  42. RIX
    42 | December 28, 2012 4:26 pm

    @ Rodan:
    That’s right, true Conservatives are the heirs to Classical Liberals.
    It is the belief in the primacy of the individual, not the State.


  43. 43 | December 28, 2012 4:28 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    In fact, it’s the only hope of a future this country has. Libertarianism is the natural evolution of conservatism.


  44. Mars
    44 | December 28, 2012 4:30 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ MacDuff:
    The irony is that many Conservatives are really Liberal in the classical definition of the word. Many of us just want to be left alone and make money. Some Conservatives are really Reactionaries who hate any change. That is why Conservative is such a problematic word.

    Simply put, libertarianism is the future of the Republican Party.

    Agreed the small l libertarianism is a winner. Big L libertarianism and their isolationism and Soros backing needs to die.


  45. yenta-fada
    45 | December 28, 2012 4:30 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    That’s right, true Conservatives are the heirs to Classical Liberals.
    It is the belief in the primacy of the individual, not the State.

    That difference means everything. That’s probably how ‘Social Justice’ became a faux religion.


  46. 46 | December 28, 2012 4:32 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Agreed the small l libertarianism is a winner. Big L libertarianism and their isolationism and Soros backing needs to die.

    Absolutely. The “Libertarian Party” gives libertarianism a bad name.


  47. buzzsawmonkey
    47 | December 28, 2012 4:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The problem is that Conservative is a broad spectrum. You have people like me who have a live and let live attitude. Then you have Nany Staters like Santorum or Huckabee who envision some government enforced Utopia.

    You know where that problem comes from? Look in the mirror. We all have to look in the mirror. Too many “conservatives” of whatever stripe are so hungry for a charismatic person to send out against the wild beasts of the leftist media that they will forgive practically everything—until that person gets whacked a few times, and then we all pile on the loser too.

    Huckabee and Santorum and their ilk should have been disciplined by their own supposed cohorts a long, long time ago—and should have been schooled to soft-pedal some of their dumber ideas, if not abandon them altogether. We were talking about same-sex marriage on the last thread; I’d like to see the same-sex marriage issue addressed for the sheep’s pelt hiding the communist wolf that it is—not as a matter of dragging Biblical morality into the secular political sphere. Anyone who cannot understand that has no business in politics.


  48. Mars
    48 | December 28, 2012 4:37 pm

    http://www.thecigarnut.com/a-message-from-cra/#more-8368

    Here’s a good example of where things can start. While Christmas vacation is going on the government is still working to take away rights.

    There are a couple bills right now that are actually honestly bi-partisan. They are attempts to slow down the drive of the liberal left to destroy an industry in this country.

    (This should be of big interest to you Rodan, it will hit Florida really hard.)


  49. yenta-fada
    49 | December 28, 2012 4:38 pm

    “When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer “Present” or “Not guilty.” ~ Theodore Roosevelt


  50. 50 | December 28, 2012 4:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The problem is that Conservative is a broad spectrum. You have people like me who have a live and let live attitude. Then you have Nany Staters like Santorum or Huckabee who envision some government enforced Utopia.

    I no longer consider myself a “conservative” – I’m a libertarian.


  51. RIX
    51 | December 28, 2012 4:40 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Obama seems to use Social Justice & Economic Justice
    interchangeably.
    I take it as wealth redistribution & the demise of the Middle Class.


  52. Mars
    52 | December 28, 2012 4:40 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    The problem is that Conservative is a broad spectrum. You have people like me who have a live and let live attitude. Then you have Nany Staters like Santorum or Huckabee who envision some government enforced Utopia.
    You know where that problem comes from? Look in the mirror. We all have to look in the mirror. Too many “conservatives” of whatever stripe are so hungry for a charismatic person to send out against the wild beasts of the leftist media that they will forgive practically everything—until that person gets whacked a few times, and then we all pile on the loser too.
    Huckabee and Santorum and their ilk should have been disciplined by their own supposed cohorts a long, long time ago—and should have been schooled to soft-pedal some of their dumber ideas, if not abandon them altogether. We were talking about same-sex marriage on the last thread; I’d like to see the same-sex marriage issue addressed for the sheep’s pelt hiding the communist wolf that it is—not as a matter of dragging Biblical morality into the secular political sphere. Anyone who cannot understand that has no business in politics.

    It needs to be made clear that we believe the traditional form of separation of church and state (hate that term, since it’s been corrupted and used for bullshit purposes.) We want the government out of the churches. The same way we want government out of our wallets, families, bedrooms, medical choices, gun safes, you name it.

    Liberals needs to be shown as the true violators of the same “separation” that they have pushed into the American consciousness.


  53. RIX
    53 | December 28, 2012 4:51 pm

    @ Mars:
    I recall in my yoot that Liberals were always praising the Constitution
    (of course it was always their interpretation)
    Now the Founding Fathers & the Constitution are openly attacked.
    My favorite though is Piers Morgan wanting to amend the Bible!


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    54 | December 28, 2012 4:51 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Liberals needs to be shown as the true violators of the same “separation” that they have pushed into the American consciousness.

    Got to sign off, but…

    It is past time for conservative and/or religious people to start pointing out, constantly, that the earth/Gaia worship of the Left is a religion, and that it has no place in schools or in public policy.

    It is past time for conservative and/or religious people to say that freedom of religion is not freedom from religion; that expression of religious belief is as much “diversity”—in fact, more so—than the dreary uniformity of thought that the Left promotes.

    It is time to start saying that IF people want to take Christ out of Christmas, then they have no claim to a holiday on Christmas Day. No worky? OK—but no pay, either. No paid Christmas holiday for atheists.


  55. buzzsawmonkey
    55 | December 28, 2012 4:53 pm

    RIX wrote:

    My favorite though is Piers Morgan wanting to amend the Bible!

    Sounds loopy—even silly. But what Morgan is doing is actually rather clever; he’s trying to rally the gay-rights lobby to come to his defense and ride interference on the outrage over his gun-control remarks, and trying, also, to increase the perception that people who are “pro-gun” are also white racist Christian homophobes.

    This is a man who was fired from a top journalism job in the UK for publishing faked pictures of British troops torturing prisoners in Iraq. He behaved with disgraceful and dismissive bombast towards a Second Amendment advocate on his show, calling him “a stupid man,” not engaging the fellow’s arguments, and trusting to America’s willingness to grovel before a British accent to see him through.

    He is now looking at a petition on the White House website with tens of thousands of signatures, calling for his deportation—and a counter-petition in the UK that says, “It took us 40 years to get rid of him; we don’t want him back.”

    If he remains passive, his career is over; while he won’t, and wouldn’t, be deported, where can he go? Who would hire him? He will lose not only income, but his position and his entire social set; he would have to go out to the Boer War and enlist under an assumed name, like Raffles—except that there is no Boer War, and he does not have that much honor. But he cannot defend himself directly, either; he must be defended in order to win. That is why he made the “amend the Bible” comment. He is playing for a ready-made group of champions to ride to his rescue.

    He sees himself as the beleaguered Beau Geste, beseiged in the mud fort, while the filthy Arab tribesmen (i.e., Second Amendment supporters) mass for their final attack. His fellow Legionnaires (other anti-gun fanatics) are the dead propped up on the ramparts; the anti-gun crowd is perfectly willing to sacrifice a Limey loudmouth in the short term while it plays the long game. They won’t provide the relief column to ride to his rescue—he has to get a relief column from some other fort. The gay-rights lobby is Morgan’s spare relief column.

    Googling Piers Morgan, one sees that within the year he has gone from praising former child actor Kirk Cameron for his “principled stand” against same-sex marriage, to attacking a traditional-marriage advocate around the time North Carolina amended its constitution to prevent SSM, to now making this declaration that the Bible “should be amended.”

    That kind of puts the odd into Odyssey, doesn’t it? It couldn’t possibly have paralleled the Obama journey from being “outed” on SSM by Joe Biden to its avid support for SSM, could it? It couldn’t possibly be that Morgan is doing his own imitation of Captain Renault and “blowing with the prevailing wind,” could it?

    You cannot hope to bribe or twist,
    thank God! the British journalist.
    But, seeing what the man will do
    unbribed, there’s no occasion to.
    —Humbert Wolfe


  56. 56 | December 28, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ RIX:

    Any time “justice” is qualified, as in “social” or “economic”, I have a problem. Justice doesn’t need qualifiers and if it does, it’s not justice.


  57. RIX
    57 | December 28, 2012 5:02 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    True dat, How ya doin my Celtic Brother?


  58. Lily
    58 | December 28, 2012 5:03 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    {yenta} Thankful they found what was wrong with me and corrected it. Healing slowly. Thanks for asking. I have my cranky moments though. ;)
    Hope you are doing well!


  59. RIX
    59 | December 28, 2012 5:03 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Piers Morgan is the dick in ridiculous.


  60. 61 | December 28, 2012 5:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    True dat, How ya doin my Celtic Brother?

    I’m good, decompressing from all of the Kwanzaa celebrations, ya know? :D


  61. RIX
    62 | December 28, 2012 5:07 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    I hear, got my Kwanzaa tree up & everything.


  62. darkwords
    63 | December 28, 2012 5:35 pm

    Who says we have to be elephants? Why not blood red tigers?


  63. huckfunn
    64 | December 28, 2012 5:39 pm

    @ Lily:
    {Lily} Just a small hug because you’re no doubt still recuperating. Hope the Saints victory over the Cowboys was therapeutic for you. :wink:


  64. RIX
    65 | December 28, 2012 5:40 pm

    qquestion, Kim Jong Un & Gang Nam rapper Psy, anybody
    ever see them together?
    Not saying that they are the same guy, but not saying they’re not.


  65. waldensianspirit
    66 | December 28, 2012 5:43 pm

    @ RIX:
    :mrgreen:


  66. RIX
    67 | December 28, 2012 5:45 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Does make you wonder.


  67. huckfunn
    68 | December 28, 2012 5:45 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Who says we have to be elephants? Why not blood red tigers?

    Speaking of pachyderms, the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus just won a $9.3 million settlement against the ASPCA because the ASPCA fraudulently claimed the circus elephants were being abused.

    WASHINGTON—An animal rights group will pay Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus $9.3 million to settle a lawsuit the circus filed after courts found that activists paid a former circus worker for his help in claiming the circus abused elephants.
    The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said Friday it was not admitting any wrongdoing in settling the lawsuit. The New York-based animal rights group was one of several involved in a lawsuit filed in 2000 against the circus’ owner, Feld Entertainment Inc., claiming elephants were abused. Courts later found that the animal rights activists had paid a former Ringling barn helper involved in the lawsuit at least $190,000, making him “essentially a paid plaintiff” who lacked credibility.

    Two courts agreed the former barn helper, Tom Rider, wasn’t credible and didn’t have a right to sue. As a result, they didn’t address claims the circus violated the federal Endangered Species Act by allegedly chaining the elephants for long periods and allowing trainers to use sharp tools called bullhooks.

    The Vienna, Va.-based Feld Entertainment Inc. sued the animal rights groups and Rider in 2007, accusing them of conspiring to harm the company’s business and other illegal acts. The lawsuit claims the groups were working together with the goal of permanently banning Asian elephants from circuses.

    Friday’s settlement covers only the ASPCA. Twelve other defendants including The Humane Society of the United States, the Animal Welfare Institute and The Fund for Animals are still involved in the lawsuit.


  68. Lily
    69 | December 28, 2012 5:46 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    LOL! H


  69. Lily
    70 | December 28, 2012 5:48 pm

    @ Lily:

    Darn it! Huck it was somewhat on the Saints game. The best I can hope for is them finishing .500. Yeah still on the mend. As hubby said..at least I’m still here. ;)
    /and he has a point. :)


  70. huckfunn
    71 | December 28, 2012 5:54 pm

    @ Lily:
    Hope to see you in Houston for the NRA convention in May. Keep on keepin on.


  71. RIX
    72 | December 28, 2012 5:55 pm

    Today Chicago recorded its 500th gun death.
    Strict gun laws are working real well./


  72. Da_Beerfreak
    73 | December 28, 2012 5:56 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Any time “justice” is qualified, as in “social” or “economic”, I have a problem. Justice doesn’t need qualifiers and if it does, it’s not justice.

    You left out one of the Moonbats favorites, “Environmental” justice. Their’re trying to cover all the bases.


  73. Da_Beerfreak
    74 | December 28, 2012 5:59 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Today Chicago recorded its 500th gun death.
    Strict gun laws are working real well./

    Any of those Police shootings?? The Moonbats will lump those in to inflate the numbers when they think they can get away with it.


  74. 75 | December 28, 2012 6:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    That is what we should have been doing. Instead with the help of the media, people just see an angry faced Conservative.

    Not angry enough!

    A conservative could win by stirring up public anger against those who are looting us.

    Instead, all the wealthy campaign contributors got behind Romney precisely because he would never stir up public anger.

    Oh, and by the way, anybody who is lukewarm (or perceived as a flip-flopper) on pro-life, Second Amendment, and lower taxes CANNOT bring out the base. Without the base, YOU LOSE.

    Some of us ARE socons. I have had enough of the US government supporting and aiding and abetting and endorsing debauchery. If people want to do any of that they should keep it strictly private and expect not a penny from the government in helping them to deal with the consequences of their activities.

    The fact that big-city mayors feel compelled to participate in ‘gay pride’ events absolutely disgusts me.


  75. RIX
    76 | December 28, 2012 6:10 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Can’t tell if it was a police shooting or just enthusiastic yoots.I
    It was a crawl on the bottom of the screen.
    This stuff is usually gangs in Chicago.


  76. 77 | December 28, 2012 6:10 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I no longer consider myself a “conservative” — I’m a libertarian.

    I’m a conservative.

    You can’t run a society on debauchery and on the abdication of responsibility. If the government does not throw its weight behind the strengthening of the heterosexual nuclear family – and yes, that means changing the feminist-inspired divorce and child custody laws – we don’t have a future.

    Libertarianism is a philosophy for rebellious, angry college students. I was one. I outgrew it. No society has ever run itself that way and succeeded for any length of time.


  77. Da_Beerfreak
    78 | December 28, 2012 6:22 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Can’t tell if it was a police shooting or just enthusiastic yoots.I
    It was a crawl on the bottom of the screen.
    This stuff is usually gangs in Chicago.

    It’s one of those playing with the numbers thing. Not too long ago the Moonbats were using the number of “children” killed by guns to push for more gun control. When someone from the pro-gun rights side took a closer look at those numbers they found that a number of the shootings were young gangbangers shot by the Police which made the totals look worse (higher) than they really were.


  78. 79 | December 28, 2012 6:25 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I’m a conservative.

    You can’t run a society on debauchery and on the abdication of responsibility. If the government does not throw its weight behind the strengthening of the heterosexual nuclear family — and yes, that means changing the feminist-inspired divorce and child custody laws — we don’t have a future.

    Libertarianism is a philosophy for rebellious, angry college students. I was one. I outgrew it. No society has ever run itself that way and succeeded for any length of time.

    Libertarianism isn’t debauchery, nor abdication of responsibility; it’s the purest form of liberty and exercise of free will. If we don’t have faith in the basic morality of mankind, the weight of law will certainly not make him so.

    This is a discussion worthy of far more time than I can give it at this point. I hope the opportunity will come around again soon.


  79. RIX
    80 | December 28, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    The Lunacy with the gun grabbers is that somehow disarming law
    abiding people will reduce gun violence.
    It is just a gift to criminals.
    See y’all later.


  80. tunnelrat
    81 | December 28, 2012 6:49 pm

    The Republican party needs to demolish the stigma they have about being the “party of the rich” Today’s GOP is almost exclusively made up of middle class voters and not millionaires and billionaires.

    Perhaps an advertising campaign could be helpful which highlights a different rich liberal plutocrat every week. The effect would be to expose the hypocrisy of those people and reinforce the message regularly until it finally registers with low-information voters. They need to understand that the Dems do not have anything in common with them, they do not care about them and in fact wish to enslave them.


  81. 82 | December 28, 2012 6:54 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I know I’m oft perceived as an apologist, but can you name a single Republican in your lifetime that is/was not viscously ridiculed? Reagan has only recently been given respectful treatment and that’s only because he’s been dead for some time.

    No, it is NOT because he has been dead for so long. It is because Reagan has been the most conservative Republican nominee since, at least, Goldwater. (And there are good arguments that put Goldwater to the left of Reagan.) He not only was an uncompromising conservative, but could hold his on with the press and opponents.

    Of course, by “uncompromising” I mean on principles. He was very pragmatic when he did not have the votes to get everything he wanted.

    He could bring out the base like no other Republican since. Perhaps there is a 1,000 lbs Gorilla in the room that dwarfs the 800 pounder. Only a candidate that is seen as 100% pro-life candidate can bring out much of the Republican base. There are just too many people who stay home unless their is a candidate who is against abortion. Heck, some of them will show up and vote Democrat rather than see a pro-abortion Republican get it. Reagan had that one nailed. The pro-life community was 100% behind him. Flip-flopper on that issue die. Even candidates that talk the pro-live talk, but don’t convince the pro-life base have a tough time of it.

    No, Reagan had a lot going for him. If Republican candidates would be more Reaganeque, they would get more respect.


  82. 83 | December 28, 2012 7:08 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Libertarianism is a philosophy for rebellious, angry college students. I was one. I outgrew it. No society has ever run itself that way and succeeded for any length of time.

    A former Libertarian “perennial candidate” once told me that there were two major branches of Libertarians. One branch was interested in social issues and the other one in economic issues.

    Methinks that you are painting with too broad a brush. All my current Libertarian friends are in economic issues branch. Some of them even lean right on many of the social issues. Heck, I can think of some pro-life Libertarian candidates for public office.

    So, I won’t completely write off libertarians as college rowdies. In fact, if the Republicans were not so interested in shooting themselves in the feet, they could have used the last Ron Paul (a solid libertarian who runs as a Republican) campaign to grow the party.


  83. Guggi
    84 | December 28, 2012 7:08 pm

    Senate leaders pledge to work through weekend to avert ‘cliff,’ following White House meeting

    After meeting President Obama at the White House, Senate leaders said Friday they will work through the weekend and bring senators back into session on Sunday, in hopes of approving an agreement to protect taxpayers, the unemployed and the nation’s economy from the worst effects of the “fiscal cliff.”

    “I’m hopeful and optimistic,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)


  84. waldensianspirit
    85 | December 28, 2012 7:19 pm

    I’m an internationalist. Since I consider the USA a goner. The dollar? A goner.

    I have friends in other countries and a whole bunch of enemies in this one. And the border? A goner.

    The concept of nations is so November 5th.


  85. 86 | December 28, 2012 7:27 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    I’m an internationalist. Since I consider the USA a goner. The dollar? A goner.
    I have friends in other countries and a whole bunch of enemies in this one. And the border? A goner.
    The concept of nations is so November 5th.

    All very good points, but why is your solution “internationalism”?


  86. waldensianspirit
    87 | December 28, 2012 7:35 pm

    @ CzechRebel:
    That is the way the world is striated


  87. Guggi
    88 | December 28, 2012 7:39 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    I’m an internationalist.

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpgrO-tieGM


  88. song_and_dance_man
    89 | December 28, 2012 7:46 pm

    @ CzechRebel:
    The key to Reagan’s success was his outreach to average Americans, but as we are all now coming around we realize the country has shifted towards an entitlement mentality and the demo is now heftily based in the middle. The far Right will have little chance of gaining the popular vote that was last seen in W’s second term And that is where the game changed. Our last best chance to shift the paradigm was in W’s hands and he failed miserably.

    I take us back to Education Reform; otherwise known as the No Child Left Behind Act. W had a chance to radically alter how education is disseminated in America. He had 2 branches in is pocket and he forfeited his leadership by acquiescing to the Left and giving Kennedy what he wanted. No vouchers for public education. This, folks, is how the Left ultimately seized the power structure. They gained control of the educational system by law and Bush had a chance to give a portion of it back to the people. And what did he do? He allowed his nonsensical Compassionate Conservatism to get in the way of doing what was best for America. When this happened I was still at 1.0 and began to criticize W for it. I was chastised for being critical while most of the peeps there were of the opinion George could do no wrong. Rodan was also one of us.

    I have so much to say on the subject of just why W allowed so much compromise, and have done so in the past. So I will just say that the crux of the problem was; when there was a chance to ram the liberal idealism down the throats of those who maintained to push it, Bush essentially threw them bone after bone to demonstrate that he was this fair minded guy who thought that by giving in he showed some sort of god intended compassion.


  89. song_and_dance_man
    90 | December 28, 2012 8:04 pm

    @ Guggi:
    It’s all French or some foreign language. But thanks anyway.


  90. 91 | December 28, 2012 8:08 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I have so much to say on the subject of just why W allowed so much compromise, and have done so in the past.

    I will never forget you had my back against the Bushbots at LGF. I was exposing him as a Leftist and was attacked for it. You were one of the few that knew I was speaking the truth.


  91. song_and_dance_man
    92 | December 28, 2012 8:09 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Libertarianism isn’t debauchery, nor abdication of responsibility; it’s the purest form of liberty and exercise of free will. If we don’t have faith in the basic morality of mankind, the weight of law will certainly not make him so.

    This is a discussion worthy of far more time than I can give it at this point. I hope the opportunity will come around again soon.

    Tocqueville warned America about the ideal of Liberty in his famous essay. That a time could could come where the majority of the people would take the idea to extremes when the collective society changed its opinions of morality.


  92. 93 | December 28, 2012 8:10 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    The problem is that using government to impose morality is not the answer.


  93. darkwords
    94 | December 28, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ 89 song_and_dance_man: The GoP should just start shaming the young single man who feels entitled without working. Give a pass to single moms with kids. Shame the absent father. Tactfully, on national TV commercials. Goad failed masculinity.


  94. song_and_dance_man
    95 | December 28, 2012 8:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I will never forget you had my back against the Bushbots at LGF. I was exposing him as a Leftist and was attacked for it. You were one of the few that knew I was speaking the truth.

    AS you may recall, we were probably the only two who were doing so with regularity. Bush had in his second term what no others had since the days of Reagan. And even more! He had the House and the Senate and blew it.

    For my part I was also not afraid to criticize Foster for his liberalism’ which showed through by some of his then current words given in interviews and posting his words from the archives. I think he began to hate me for exposing him.

    And thanks for the kind words about me having your back. I had the back of all(and they were few back then) who were not afraid to expose the spiel of Bush and Foster alike. I remember when I would bring forward the words of Foster from the past there would be a hush and thread killing silence. bwa…


  95. Bumr50
    96 | December 28, 2012 8:22 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Though the longshoreman strike has been averted, I think that there should have been an ad buy showing what the average longshoreman makes, why he is striking, and what the consequences would be if there were a work stoppage.

    Stuff like this needs to be integrated into the culture right now.

    It’s easy pickin’s.


  96. darkwords
    97 | December 28, 2012 8:24 pm

    The people who think anything but a total ban on guns in the US will deter violence with guns need to be labeled naive.

    And if that took place, young men will gang up in 5 on 1 fights to accomplish the same task. The mentally ill will resort to knives and poison to project their inner loser misery.


  97. 98 | December 28, 2012 8:24 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Funny how Foster went from a hardcore Bushie to an Obama worshiper, isn’t it?


  98. darkwords
    99 | December 28, 2012 8:26 pm

    @ 96 Bumr50: Show the fat thug violating decency at the high labor rate. The modern union member is a parasite to his neighbor.


  99. darkwords
    100 | December 28, 2012 8:29 pm

    Young man survives beating and head trauma.

    OT but saw it on the news and the guy looks like he deserves a lot of love.


  100. darkwords
    101 | December 28, 2012 8:29 pm

    The GoP should be the party that protects the innocent.


  101. 102 | December 28, 2012 8:39 pm

    New Thread.


  102. song_and_dance_man
    103 | December 28, 2012 8:40 pm

    @ darkwords:
    With respect, that is not the avenue the Right should take. As opposed to this as I am politically, the road to future success is to take on a moderate angle.

    I hate saying this, but it appears we have neared a dangerous political precipice that we can only back away from by acknowledging the countries morality has changed to the point where accepting it gives us a small chance to regain power. In the political forum that is. There is no need for us individually to compromise our own shared collective morality.

    Does this make sense? Give the people what they want? Render unto Caesar what is Caesars? Live our lives in a system that is broken close to no repair and make the best of it while we can?

    We’ve been talking about this now since Chair won again and as much as I hate it, there is no other course. Accept that the Left has won the ideological battle over the past 50 years, and do our best to beat them at they own game, albeit with a slightly different angle. Use their method, regain control and stem the slow slide towards socialism as long as we can until the minds of Americans are changed for the better.


  103. 104 | December 28, 2012 8:44 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    The key to Reagan’s success was his outreach to average Americans, but as we are all now coming around we realize the country has shifted towards an entitlement mentality and the demo is now heftily based in the middle. The far Right will have little chance of gaining the popular vote that was last seen in W’s second term And that is where the game changed. Our last best chance to shift the paradigm was in W’s hands and he failed miserably.
    I take us back to Education Reform; otherwise known as the No Child Left Behind Act. W had a chance to radically alter how education is disseminated in America. He had 2 branches in is pocket and he forfeited his leadership by acquiescing to the Left and giving Kennedy what he wanted. No vouchers for public education. This, folks, is how the Left ultimately seized the power structure. They gained control of the educational system by law and Bush had a chance to give a portion of it back to the people. And what did he do? He allowed his nonsensical Compassionate Conservatism to get in the way of doing what was best for America. When this happened I was still at 1.0 and began to criticize W for it. I was chastised for being critical while most of the peeps there were of the opinion George could do no wrong. Rodan was also one of us.
    I have so much to say on the subject of just why W allowed so much compromise, and have done so in the past. So I will just say that the crux of the problem was; when there was a chance to ram the liberal idealism down the throats of those who maintained to push it, Bush essentially threw them bone after bone to demonstrate that he was this fair minded guy who thought that by giving in he showed some sort of god intended compassion.

    I don’t know exactly what the “far right” is anymore. I do know that without the pro-life vote, it is hard for the Republicans to win anything that isn’t Gerrymandered.

    Yes, Reagan did resonate with the common man. Funny how conservative that common man really was when you shucked right down to the cob.

    You are right about W. He had everything going for him and caved to the far left time and time again.


  104. darkwords
    105 | December 28, 2012 8:51 pm

    @ 103 song_and_dance_man: I do think fighting Obamacare so that zero of it is implemented is not a good focus. Grant them the win. Re define the playing field and get a new quarterback that awes.


  105. song_and_dance_man
    106 | December 28, 2012 8:55 pm

    @ CzechRebel:
    By far right I mean the evangelicals or religious minded, the non-religious constitutional constructionists and the every day Tea Party types who don’t fit either of the aforementioned groups. Libertarians and just plain good folks who want what their grandparents thought America should be about.

    You had a bit to say about Reagan. What he did with a (D) Congress was amazing, but then again the makeup of US’ demo’s was different than it is today. LBJ’s Great Society had barely left the launchpad.

    BUSH BLEW IT.


  106. 107 | December 28, 2012 8:58 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 103 song_and_dance_man: I do think fighting Obamacare so that zero of it is implemented is not a good focus. Grant them the win. Re define the playing field and get a new quarterback that awes.

    Won’t work. The base will assume, accurately, that nobody is on their side any more.

    Secession or emigration or armed insurrection.

    We can rule out the third option, simply because (referring to the Wizard of Oz), the American citizenry subjects have no brain, no heart, no courage, no honor, no nothing. They have made themselves a neverending tyranny and they deserve every instant of it.

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    BUSH BLEW IT.

    The Bush family blew it on purpose.

    They have been in bed with the bin Ladens so long they all have the same DNA.

    They are just as evil as the Clintons and the Obamas.

    Eternal damnation is too good for them or their supporters.


  107. 108 | December 28, 2012 9:03 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Won’t work. The base will assume, accurately, that nobody is on their side any more.

    The Base is not monolithic. There is a huge Libertarian leaning block as well.

    armed insurrection.

    Can you please not call for this on the blog. I do not want to delete your comments, but please don’t call for this here. The Owners here are very Pro-American. We just hate who runs the government and the policies.
    Thanks.


  108. 109 | December 28, 2012 9:05 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    With respect, that is not the avenue the Right should take. As opposed to this as I am politically, the road to future success is to take on a moderate angle.

    HELL NO.

    That’s what the GOP has done ever since Reagan left office.

    FAIL.

    Start over in some other part of the world, as I plan to do.

    If you don’t, then some day I’ll be selling y’all a little food in return for a lot of gold and silver.


  109. song_and_dance_man
    110 | December 28, 2012 9:08 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    They have made themselves a neverending tyranny and they deserve every instant of it.

    America is the longest standing Western type government in the world that has not experienced a political upheaval or coup. It may be that a big portion of misery is what it may take to alter the course it’s on.


  110. 111 | December 28, 2012 9:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Can you please not call for this on the blog. I do not want to delete your comments, but please don’t call for this here. The Owners here are very Pro-American. We just hate who runs the government and the policies.
    Thanks.

    I just said it won’t happen.

    Even though it should have happened, and would have been the right thing to do.

    If you truly loved America – and I do not believe that you do – you would understand that the government is the enemy of the country, and that an armed insurrection was what our Founders, rest their souls, would have wanted us to do.

    Instead of loving America, I think you just have a misguided loyalty to its government, which is the polar antithesis of what our Founders gave their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to establish.

    I am sure that, in 1933, you and the other owners of this blog would have maintained your loyalty to the Reich – after all, it would have been “your country”. A hell of a lot of other Germans did the same.


  111. 112 | December 28, 2012 9:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Base is not monolithic. There is a huge Libertarian leaning block as well.

    Yeah.

    They get about 1 percent, at best.

    They don’t get the jihad.

    They don’t support Israel.

    They are a minuscule bunch of crackpots.


  112. song_and_dance_man
    113 | December 28, 2012 9:17 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    HELL NO.

    That’s what the GOP has done ever since Reagan left office.

    You’re speaking from the heart, and me from the mind. I think we are in the same camp when it comes to ideology. There is a dichotomy when I say as a collective of people who want to see change in the political system we must give that the nation has changed morally. And that translates into what has happened in the last 50 years. The moral battle is close to being ultimately lost.

    What did he say. Be wise as serpents but gentle as doves. Have you ever considered just what the parable of the Unjust Steward means? It serves as a map to get out of twisted political situations.

    I hate the situation just as much as any spiritually minded person does, but we have to face reality in a nation that is going Rome.


  113. 114 | December 28, 2012 9:18 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    They get about 1 percent, at best.

    They don’t get the jihad.

    They don’t support Israel.

    They are a minuscule bunch of crackpots.

    You are confusing the Paulians for Libertarian-Conservatives. Many Socially Conservatives are Libertarian-Conservative. They are against Abortion and Gay Marriage, but they believe those are state issues and are focused on the economy and fiscal issues. The majority of Republican officials fall into this camp.


  114. 115 | December 28, 2012 9:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ 1389AD:

    They get about 1 percent, at best.
    They don’t get the jihad.
    They don’t support Israel.
    They are a minuscule bunch of crackpots.

    You are confusing the Paulians for Libertarian-Conservatives. Many Socially Conservatives are Libertarian-Conservative. They are against Abortion and Gay Marriage, but they believe those are state issues and are focused on the economy and fiscal issues. The majority of Republican officials fall into this camp.

    That isn’t libertarian-conservative, that’s states-rights conservative. HUGE difference.

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I hate the situation just as much as any spiritually minded person does, but we have to face reality in a nation that is going Rome.

    Orthodox Christianity turned around the moral climate of Rome, and some of it survived until 1453, and its successor survived in Moscow until 1917 and again in the present.

    Okay, I’m as hard-right as anybody can be.

    I want to see a flat-out BAN on the government assisting any form of debauchery – which includes BOTH permitting abortion AND welfare/child-support payments to women who leave their husbands or who give birth out of wedlock.

    Either one implies government subsidy for debauchery, and is a disgrace.


  115. 116 | December 28, 2012 9:24 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    and I do not believe that you do

    You are the one calling for breaking up this country. If you really loved America you would be seeking a way to get control of this government and dismantle the Progressive system and get a Non nation Building anti-Islamist foreign policy. Calling for rebellion and secession is anti-American in my book. This is my land and I am opposed to anyone wanting to break it up

    Has this government done wrong. Yes and I oppose many of the policies. But it was our founders who created this government. You are calling for its destruction.

    I normally agree with you on things, but I don’t here.


  116. song_and_dance_man
    117 | December 28, 2012 9:25 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I am sure that, in 1933, you and the other owners of this blog would have maintained your loyalty to the Reich — after all, it would have been “your country”. A hell of a lot of other Germans did the same.

    I’m with Rodan on this. The resistance message was not shouted from rooftops or in this case in a public forum.

    btw I was looking at our numbers today. We get anywhere from 500 to 800 unique visits per day. Something to think about.


  117. 118 | December 28, 2012 9:27 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    That isn’t libertarian-conservative, that’s states-rights conservative. HUGE difference.

    There’s an overlap on that. It’s not straight forward. Even many socially Conservatives do not want the government imposing some moral view on people. They just want the Government to leave them alone and not attack their faith.


  118. 119 | December 28, 2012 9:29 pm

    Secession is NOT anti-American.

    No State would have joined the union under the US Constitution if they had the impression that they could never leave it.

    Forbidding secession is centralized government tyranny.

    No, you do NOT love America – you love the Union.

    I don’t.


  119. 120 | December 28, 2012 9:30 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    First up. Who are you to say that any one of us don’t love our country. You can damn well bet that if when the time comes we will do what we have to do.

    But I’d like to know how you’ll be selling me food from whatever country you scamper off too? No worries, though since I’m in the perfect spot to live off the land. I’ll find closer customers.


  120. song_and_dance_man
    121 | December 28, 2012 9:31 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I want to see a flat-out BAN on the government assisting any form of debauchery — which includes BOTH permitting abortion AND welfare/child-support payments to women who leave their husbands or who give birth out of wedlock

    And that goes to the point where I made the argument American culture has changed and the Left are apparently in the majority within the voting block.

    I’m with you in what you call for, but in reality those issues are not going to win elections. And without winning elections there is little hope in stopping the slouching towards Gomorrah.


  121. 122 | December 28, 2012 9:32 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    I am sure that, in 1933, you and the other owners of this blog would have maintained your loyalty to the Reich — after all, it would have been “your country”. A hell of a lot of other Germans did the same.
    I’m with Rodan on this. The resistance message was not shouted from rooftops or in this case in a public forum.
    btw I was looking at our numbers today. We get anywhere from 500 to 800 unique visits per day. Something to think about.

    In Germany, nobody shouted it from the rooftops, because the Gestapo would have gotten them. It was already too late.

    I am merely pointing out that it is too late for armed insurrection – which would have been the right thing to do in Germany 1933 and US 1999.

    TOO LATE.

    That isn’t many unique visitors. I don’t think you need to worry about the authorities coming after you. Blogmocracy has already been marginalized.


  122. 123 | December 28, 2012 9:33 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    America is the Union and damn right I am Pro Union. I am an American Nationalist and believe it is our destiny as a United people to live in Freedom and stand up to Islamic Aggression.

    Don’t confuse me for a RINO or Progressive Socialist. I am very Rightwing and love my nation. I want to live in a Free and great nation.

    As for claiming I would support the Nazis. I would have opposed them since they are Progressive Socialist scum. The real German Nationalists would have opposed Hitler.


  123. 124 | December 28, 2012 9:35 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    And for the german collaborators comparison – fuck off.


  124. 125 | December 28, 2012 9:37 pm

    mskelly wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    First up. Who are you to say that any one of us don’t love our country. You can damn well bet that if when the time comes we will do what we have to do.
    But I’d like to know how you’ll be selling me food from whatever country you scamper off too? No worries, though since I’m in the perfect spot to live off the land. I’ll find closer customers.

    The time already came and WENT.

    In 1999.

    And if you have land of your own, good for you.

    Good luck having the freedom to grow crops on it. See: [LINK] and [LINK].

    Totalitarianism is totalitarianism is totalitarianism.


  125. 126 | December 28, 2012 9:38 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    We do not kiss the Establishment’s ass. Hence we are a Independent shop. That proves our authenticity. If sucked up to the Establishment or the Purists, yes we would have more traffic. But we are not ass kissers so i would rather have less who are genuine than be an echo chamber.


  126. song_and_dance_man
    127 | December 28, 2012 9:39 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Secession is NOT anti-American.

    No State would have joined the union under the US Constitution if they had the impression that they could never leave it.

    Forbidding secession is centralized government tyranny.

    Now that is something I agree with wholeheartedly; however the States Rights issue was pretty much over after the Civil War.


  127. 128 | December 28, 2012 9:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    America is the Union and damn right I am Pro Union. I am an American Nationalist and believe it is our destiny as a United people to live in Freedom and stand up to Islamic Aggression.
    Don’t confuse me for a RINO or Progressive Socialist. I am very Rightwing and love my nation. I want to live in a Free and great nation.
    As for claiming I would support the Nazis. I would have opposed them since they are Progressive Socialist scum. The real German Nationalists would have opposed Hitler.

    Our government is progressive socialist scum.

    Our president is Hitler with big ears.

    Opposing them will take a lot more than words.


  128. 129 | December 28, 2012 9:41 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    Secession is NOT anti-American.
    No State would have joined the union under the US Constitution if they had the impression that they could never leave it.
    Forbidding secession is centralized government tyranny.
    Now that is something I agree with wholeheartedly; however the States Rights issue was pretty much over after the Civil War.

    That amounts to a concession that might makes right.

    That is the Devil’s logic – not mine.


  129. 130 | December 28, 2012 9:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    and I do not believe that you do
    You are the one calling for breaking up this country. If you really loved America you would be seeking a way to get control of this government and dismantle the Progressive system and get a Non nation Building anti-Islamist foreign policy. Calling for rebellion and secession is anti-American in my book. This is my land and I am opposed to anyone wanting to break it up
    Has this government done wrong. Yes and I oppose many of the policies. But it was our founders who created this government. You are calling for its destruction.
    I normally agree with you on things, but I don’t here.

    OK, you are a military pilot. You love your airplane. It has been shot to pieces and cannot be safely landed. What do you do? Do you grab you duct tape and see if you can patch it together or bail out?

    You cannot “dismantle the Progressive system.” It is etched in concrete. There are way too many leftist voters. It is hopeless.

    Could some “red” States go it alone? Well, yes! Texas did it before and could do it again.

    Of course, if you prefer to surrender your whole land to the Communists, be my guest. I speak 2 1/2 languages. As a last resort, I would vote with my feet. However, having a free State or two in the former USA sounds much better to me.

    Why do you have have such a problem with that?


  130. 131 | December 28, 2012 9:44 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    Why do you have have such a problem with that?

    You are advocating the destruction of my nation. If you really hate it that much, leave or man up and form a militia and try to seceded. Let me know how it goes.


  131. song_and_dance_man
    132 | December 28, 2012 9:44 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    In Germany, nobody shouted it from the rooftops, because the Gestapo would have gotten them. It was already too late.

    I was merely pointing out that calling for insurrection on a public blog is not the wisest thing to do.


  132. song_and_dance_man
    133 | December 28, 2012 9:45 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    And I did read that you surmised that option was off the table. Just want to clarify that you said that as well.


  133. 134 | December 28, 2012 9:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    Why do you have have such a problem with that?
    You are advocating the destruction of my nation. If you really hate it that much, leave or man up and form a militia and try to seceded. Let me know how it goes.

    I am planning to leave.

    I am not a man, but rather, a woman. Nonetheless, had there been a movement to secede via force of arms I WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF IT A LONG TIME AGO.

    If any such thing existed, I WOULD KNOW; it would have prevailed by now, and we would not be having this discussion!

    The reason there was no such movement is that the American people are a bunch of [expletive deleted]. They have no brains, no heart, no courage, no common sense, no redeeming social values. The bulk of the American citizenry will spend eternity rattling around inside the skull of Satan in the lowest circle of Hell, and that fate will still be a lot better than what any of them deserve.


  134. eaglesoars
    135 | December 28, 2012 9:51 pm

    111 1389AD wrote:

    A hell of a lot of other Germans did the same.

    109 1389AD wrote:

    Start over in some other part of the world, as I plan to do.

    The sooner the better.


  135. 136 | December 28, 2012 9:52 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    In Germany, nobody shouted it from the rooftops, because the Gestapo would have gotten them. It was already too late.
    I was merely pointing out that calling for insurrection on a public blog is not the wisest thing to do.

    I am not calling for it – merely regretting the fact that the American “citizenry” are, and will always be, incapable of acting as moral agents.

    Let people in other parts of the world who are more deserving, whoever they may be, earn and enjoy the fruits of liberty.


  136. 137 | December 28, 2012 9:54 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    The sooner the better.

    I heartily agree with that.

    I reserve the right to ridicule all of you from afar.


  137. 138 | December 28, 2012 9:54 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Thank you, that was very Christian of you!

    :lol:


  138. 139 | December 28, 2012 9:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    Why do you have have such a problem with that?
    You are advocating the destruction of my nation. If you really hate it that much, leave or man up and form a militia and try to seceded. Let me know how it goes.

    Now that makes very little sense.

    I certainly do NOT want to destroy your nation. If I remember right, your nationality is Hispanic and I have a long history for being Hispanic friendly.

    If you are somehow suggesting that the USA is a “nation” you might want to check the dictionary. It is many nations and many countries, too.

    What militia has to do with secession is beyond me. Note that my handle is CzechRebel and not “CzechoslovakianRebel.” My cousins let the Slovaks secede. Not a shot was fired and Czechs and Slovaks seem to be getting along as well (if not better) than when it was one country.

    Peaceful secession usually goes pretty well. I think a free Texas (or other independent-minded State) would be a good start.


  139. Speranza
    140 | December 28, 2012 9:54 pm

    CzechRebel wrote:

    He could bring out the base like no other Republican since.

    That magical, mystical base that seems to exist only in your minds. The “base” is shrinking because stupid talk about seceding armed insurrection, and an obsession over women’s uteruses. If four years of Obama failure wold bring out the magical, mystical base what freaking good are they?


  140. song_and_dance_man
    141 | December 28, 2012 9:56 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    That amounts to a concession that might makes right.

    That is the Devil’s logic — not mine.

    Isn’t that the way of nations through the years? We had a good run for over 200 years and we’re still here. There is hope. And I don’t mean the kind the Chair is calling for.


  141. 142 | December 28, 2012 9:56 pm

    mskelly wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    And for the german collaborators comparison — fuck off.

    Looks like mskelly might be a tad bit allergic to truth.


  142. 143 | December 28, 2012 9:58 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    I certainly do NOT want to destroy your nation. If I remember right, your nationality is Hispanic and I have a long history for being Hispanic friendly.

    My heritage is Hispanic and Lebanese. America is my nation. I was born on this land and love it.


  143. 144 | December 28, 2012 9:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    CzechRebel wrote:
    He could bring out the base like no other Republican since.
    That magical, mystical base that seems to exist only in your minds. The “base” is shrinking because stupid talk about seceding armed insurrection, and an obsession over women’s uteruses. If four years of Obama failure wold bring out the magical, mystical base what freaking good are they?

    It worked during the Reagan years, because Reagan articulated a strong conservative message – AND HE BELIEVED IN IT.

    Every GOP nominee since then has been a RINO. That’s why it has never worked since then.

    Uteruses – hell. BABIES.

    We like to preserve BABIES. Got it?

    BABIES. Little humans.


  144. Speranza
    145 | December 28, 2012 9:58 pm

    @ CzechRebel:
    Rodan’s nation is America as is mine and i don’t “cotton” to talk about destroying it. It you are so down on America move to Bohemia or Moravia and then in retrospect Germany and Hitler were right to take the Sudetenland.


  145. 146 | December 28, 2012 9:59 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    That amounts to a concession that might makes right.
    That is the Devil’s logic — not mine.
    Isn’t that the way of nations through the years? We had a good run for over 200 years and we’re still here. There is hope. And I don’t mean the kind the Chair is calling for.

    Hope? Nope.


  146. Speranza
    147 | December 28, 2012 10:02 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    It worked during the Reagan years, because Reagan articulated a strong conservative message — AND HE BELIEVED IN IT.

    Every GOP nominee since then has been a RINO. That’s why it has never worked since then.

    Uteruses — hell. BABIES.

    We like to preserve BABIES. Got it?

    BABIES. Little humans.

    Reagan was a happy faced, pragmatic conservative (not a phony like his Vice President) who gave lip service to the anti-abortion crowd (we have a President not a dictator). You will never criminalize abortion because the “nation” does not want to put into prison 17 year old girls. If the nation was obsessed by abortion then Obama and Clinton would never have gotten into the White House. Get it?


  147. 148 | December 28, 2012 10:05 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    It worked during the Reagan years, because Reagan articulated a strong conservative message — AND HE BELIEVED IN IT.
    Every GOP nominee since then has been a RINO. That’s why it has never worked since then.
    Uteruses — hell. BABIES.
    We like to preserve BABIES. Got it?
    BABIES. Little humans.
    Reagan was a happy faced, pragmatic conservative (not a phony like his Vice President) who gave lip service to the anti-abortion crowd (we have a President not a dictator). You will never criminalize abortion because the “nation” does not want to put into prison 17 year old girls. If the nation was obsessed by abortion then Obama and Clinton would never have gotten into the White House. Get it?

    A nation that kills its babies has no future.

    (Ironically, that was the true message of Oedipus Rex – which none of the politically correct scholars seem to have grasped.)

    I don’t CARE whether the nation was, or is, obsessed by abortion. Abortion is murder. If you don’t think so – how about I go call your mother and take her to task for not having aborted YOU?


  148. 149 | December 28, 2012 10:09 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    CzechRebel wrote:
    He could bring out the base like no other Republican since.
    That magical, mystical base that seems to exist only in your minds. The “base” is shrinking because stupid talk about seceding armed insurrection, and an obsession over women’s uteruses. If four years of Obama failure wold bring out the magical, mystical base what freaking good are they?

    Gee, I suppose they could have all died off in the last 15 years or so. But, when I did politics, I knew where the voters were. I spent many, many, many hours of my life working the Christian Right side of the street. I also saw the libertarian strand of the Republican long before Ron Paul burst on the national scene.

    To me, there is no higher compliment than getting criticized by Speranza. It is the cyberspace equivalent of getting heckled from the village idiot.


  149. song_and_dance_man
    150 | December 28, 2012 10:10 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    I get it. Killing is bad and wrong. However the legality of it is there even though you and I hate it. When I mentioned hope I was not standing in the camp of the forlorn as I said it. The hope is that Americans minds could be changed, but they will not be changed by railing against a politically cognitive majority of Americans who understand the issue and have the power to disagree in a way that we have no defense over.


  150. Speranza
    151 | December 28, 2012 10:10 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I don’t CARE whether the nation was, or is, obsessed by abortion. Abortion is murder. If you don’t think so — how about I go call your mother and take her to task for not having aborted YOU?

    You would need a phone line to the next world to contact her. Don’t play that “well you’re mother did not abort you” game with me. I hate abortion but unlike you I have no desire to put in jail or sentence to death, teenaged girls.


  151. Speranza
    152 | December 28, 2012 10:13 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    I get it. Killing is bad and wrong. However the legality of it is there even though you and I hate it. When I mentioned hope I was not standing in the camp of the forlorn as I said it. The hope is that Americans minds could be changed, but they will not be changed by railing against a politically cognitive majority of Americans who understand the issue and have the power to disagree in a way that we have no defense over.

    Abortion has been legal for over 40 years and has stayed legal because there is no national consensus to criminalize it. Forty years after Roe v. Wade we are still talking about abortion while the nation has moved on. I actually agreed with Clinton when he said that it should be “safe, legal,and rare”.


  152. 153 | December 28, 2012 10:14 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    I don’t CARE whether the nation was, or is, obsessed by abortion. Abortion is murder. If you don’t think so — how about I go call your mother and take her to task for not having aborted YOU?
    You would need a phone line to the next world to contact her. Don’t play that “well you’re mother did not abort you” game with me. I hate abortion but unlike you I have no desire to put in jail or sentence to death, teenaged girls.

    I wouldn’t put the teenaged girls there – most of them have been BULLIED into abortion by their parents or the “men” who impregnated them.

    But I would hang the abortionists – at least the unrepentant ones.


  153. 154 | December 28, 2012 10:15 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    Rodan’s nation is America as is mine and i don’t “cotton” to talk about destroying it. It you are so down on America move to Bohemia or Moravia and then in retrospect Germany and Hitler were right to take the Sudetenland.

    Who said Rodan is NOT an American? America might be his country, however his home state might a better way of describing it.

    However, nationally is your blood, your race, your people. If he is not of Hispanic ancestry, my apologies. The United States of America is full of Hispanics. Especially in Miami. Man, do I miss Miami.


  154. 155 | December 28, 2012 10:16 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    If you were involved in politics than you should know most Americans want to be left alone. Being preachy is a turn off. People do not like to be lectured by politicians


  155. 156 | December 28, 2012 10:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Forty years after Roe v. Wade we are still talking about abortion while the nation has moved on. I actually agreed with Clinton when he said that it should be “safe, legal,and rare”.

    Yep – Croatia “moved on” after killing all those Serbs.

    Now we are being told to “move on” and forget about mourning our dead.

    Memory eternal…


  156. 157 | December 28, 2012 10:17 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    If he is not of Hispanic ancestry, my apologies. The United States of America is full of Hispanics. Especially in Miami. Man, do I miss Miami.

    I am Hispanic (Spaniard/Lebanese-Dominican/Sicilian/Puerto-Rican) but that is my heritage. To me nation is where you are born. I was born on this land so America is my nation.


  157. 158 | December 28, 2012 10:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    If you were involved in politics than you should know most Americans want to be left alone. Being preachy is a turn off. People do not like to be lectured by politicians

    That’s why they voted en masse for Clinton – because Americans are a bunch of filthy and bloodthirsty degenerates who want only to be patted on the back for being what they are.

    SERB – KILLERS (spit)


  158. 159 | December 28, 2012 10:18 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Yep — Croatia “moved on” after killing all those Serbs.

    Now we are being told to “move on” and forget about mourning our dead.

    Memory eternal…

    That’s totally different.


  159. 160 | December 28, 2012 10:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    If he is not of Hispanic ancestry, my apologies. The United States of America is full of Hispanics. Especially in Miami. Man, do I miss Miami.
    I am Hispanic (Spaniard/Lebanese-Dominican/Sicilian/Puerto-Rican) but that is my heritage. To me nation is where you are born. I was born on this land so America is my nation.

    I AM A SERB.


  160. 161 | December 28, 2012 10:19 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Because Americans are a bunch of filthy and bloodthirsty degenerates

    Have you renounced your Citizenship?


  161. song_and_dance_man
    162 | December 28, 2012 10:19 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I actually agreed with Clinton when he said that it should be “safe, legal,and rare”.

    I totally disagree with you and Wet. But what can be done? Nothing,… until the law is reversed.


  162. 163 | December 28, 2012 10:20 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Have you ever thought of changing your avatar to a Swastika? It seems like it would fit your overall personality. Just a thought.


  163. 164 | December 28, 2012 10:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Because Americans are a bunch of filthy and bloodthirsty degenerates
    Have you renounced your Citizenship?

    That will happen in due time.

    Until then…

    I CALLS ‘EM AS I SEES ‘EM.


  164. 165 | December 28, 2012 10:23 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I am American.

    Look I hate that the US Government attacked Serbia. It’s a national disgrace and we have paid a geostrategic price for it. But not every American supported the actions. I have supported Serb causes and you know this. I have educated many people on the truth of Serbia’s heroic fight against Islam.

    But your hatred of America does your cause no favors. America under the right leadership could be at the forefront of taking on Islamic aggression. Calling for it’s destruction is very short sighted and frankly offensive to me.


  165. song_and_dance_man
    166 | December 28, 2012 10:23 pm

    I think I’ll go make some popcorn


  166. 167 | December 28, 2012 10:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ 1389AD:

    Yep — Croatia “moved on” after killing all those Serbs.
    Now we are being told to “move on” and forget about mourning our dead.
    Memory eternal…
    That’s totally different.

    The US citizenry – as well as its government – is complicit and unrepentant in its ONGOING genocide of my people.

    There is NO WAY I can ever get over that.

    Even if I can someday manage to forgive – from a safe distance away – I will never trust Americans.


  167. 168 | December 28, 2012 10:27 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    The US citizenry — as well as its government — is complicit and unrepentant in its ONGOING genocide of my people.

    If you educate Americans on the truth, you will gain people to stop the Pro-Islamic madness our government is doing. Attacking this nation is the wrong approach.


  168. eaglesoars
    169 | December 28, 2012 10:29 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    SERB — KILLERS (spit)

    It always come down to that with you, doesn’t it?

    So why aren’t you headed back to the Balkans?


  169. 170 | December 28, 2012 10:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    The US citizenry — as well as its government — is complicit and unrepentant in its ONGOING genocide of my people.
    If you educate Americans on the truth, you will gain people to stop the Pro-Islamic madness our government is doing. Attacking this nation is the wrong approach.

    I continue to work on that. Being mealy-mouthed will not help. If something is a sin, I will call it a sin.

    eaglesoars wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    SERB — KILLERS (spit)
    It always come down to that with you, doesn’t it?
    So why aren’t you headed back to the Balkans?

    That was my original plan.

    Because of the fact that the US and NATO and the EU have imposed a quisling puppet government in Serbia, there is no point in my going there at this time.

    Maybe someday.


  170. 171 | December 28, 2012 10:35 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    How would YOU like it if the US government and its allies were trying to annihilate YOUR ethnic group and YOUR religion – and to obliterate all traces of your history? For NO reason other than perceived political advantage?

    I don’t know what religion or ethnic group you are a member of. Just think about it for a good LONG while, and then answer as honestly as you can.


  171. 172 | December 28, 2012 10:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:

    I am Hispanic (Spaniard/Lebanese-Dominican/Sicilian/Puerto-Rican) but that is my heritage. To me nation is where you are born. I was born on this land so America is my nation.

    I am sorry that I missed the Lebanese and the Sicilian parts. Nice heritages.

    Dominican Republic produces great ballplayers. Puerto Rico had a great governor in Luiz Fortino. Don’t know what to say about the Spaniard part, but that we wouldn’t have a Hispanic world without them.

    Let me try to explain. In the late 1960s, we had Mr. Spock on Star Trek. He was 1/2 human and 1/2 Vulcan (a fictional planet on that show). He resonated with so many of us who had parents that came from different worlds. I think when you get beyond 1/2 this and 1/2 that you lose something.

    One of the 10 Commandments says “honor your mother and father.” Of course, the words for those parents includes grandparents, great-grandparents, etc.

    It is a very sad thing that we lose track of who we are and see ourselves as having no more nationality than the place where we were born.


  172. Speranza
    173 | December 28, 2012 10:38 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    That’s why they voted en masse for Clinton — because Americans are a bunch of filthy and bloodthirsty degenerates who want only to be patted on the back for being what they are.

    Lovely. You are having a melt down.


  173. 174 | December 28, 2012 10:39 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Convincing Americans is better than attacking us. Did you know many Republicans opposed the bombing of Serbia?

    The GOP Establishment may have sold out to Islam, but most Republican voters know what is up. Attacking the US will not win people over.


  174. Speranza
    175 | December 28, 2012 10:40 pm

    CzechRebel wrote:

    To me, there is no higher compliment than getting criticized by Speranza. It is the cyberspace equivalent of getting heckled from the village idiot.

    “Village Idiot”, and you are the cyber traitor. The tough guy who talks tough on a blog but still for all his hatred of America still resides here. I have more brains in my penis then you have between your ears.


  175. eaglesoars
    176 | December 28, 2012 10:41 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    How would YOU like it if the US government and its allies were trying to annihilate YOUR ethnic group and YOUR religion — and to obliterate all traces of your history? For NO reason other than perceived political advantage?

    I don’t know what religion or ethnic group you are a member of. Just think about it for a good LONG while, and then answer as honestly as you can.

    First, I find ethnic ‘tribalism’ morally offensive – if not racist. If I wanted to play that card, I could go with Shawnee with a hell of a lot more credibility than the faux Cherokee Elizabeth Warren. My Shawnee/Anglo ancestors were Geo. Washington’s liason to the Shawnee nation during the Revolution.

    As for someone trying to wipe out my heritage/people/religion for whatever reason – I’ve already got that.

    His name is Obama.


  176. 177 | December 28, 2012 10:43 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    Don’t know what to say about the Spaniard part

    The defeaters of the Ottoman Empire. I had ancestors in my family line via grandpa who were in the Tercios in their victory over the Turks and their Albanian/Bosnian collaborators at Malta and Lepanto.

    If you understand Hispanic culture than you know we are very attached to our land. America is my land and I am very attached. I wish your opinion was otherwise.


  177. 178 | December 28, 2012 10:44 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    As for someone trying to wipe out my heritage/people/religion for whatever reason — I’ve already got that.

    His name is Obama.

    Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  178. Speranza
    179 | December 28, 2012 10:50 pm

    CzechRebel wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Have you ever thought of changing your avatar to a Swastika? It seems like it would fit your overall personality. Just a thought.

    How do you type wearing a straitjacket? If you ever call me a Nazi again.
    You’re the one obsessed by blood and race, not me.
    I think the two of you are drinking.


  179. eaglesoars
    180 | December 28, 2012 10:52 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    How do you type wearing a straitjacket?

    Well done.


  180. 181 | December 28, 2012 10:54 pm

    Ok Thread is over.


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