The Knish shows us that the consequences of our obsession with “stability” results in the loss of our freedoms. We are sacrificing our liberty by trying to appease the unappeasable. The fact that a fanatic such as Nidal Hassan was allowed to remain in the United States Army all because he was a Muslim and after the Ft. Hood massacre the commanding officer of the United States Army was worried about our diversity efforts shows that the Stockholm Syndrome has penetrated the highest echelons of the United States government. This is not something that can all be blamed on the Obama administration as his predecessor was the first to describe Islam as a “religion of peace”.
by Daniel Greenfield
Spain has begun deportation proceedings against Imran Firasat, a Christian refugee from Pakistan, for making a documentary about Mohammed and thereby threatening the national security of Spain. If Firasat is deported back to Pakistan, he will face the death penalty proving that it’s a short step from the Spanish Inquisition to the Pakistani Inquisition.
The United States has a man sitting in prison for making another blasphemous movie, which the government spent weeks blaming for worldwide attacks on American embassies. And he isn’t the first man persecuted or prosecuted for offending Islam. Offending Islam has become a national security issue involving all levels of government.
When Bubba the Love Sponge, a Tampa DJ, proposed to burn a Koran, the commander of the Afghanistan war contacted his girlfriend, who would later be stalked by Petraeus’ girlfriend, to contact the Mayor of Tampa to keep Bubba from burning a Koran. Instead of explaining how the American system works to the Lebanese temptress and her four-star general, the mayor wrote back that the city was working on it.
That month 50 percent more Americans were killed in Afghanistan in the long slow death march of the war, but a Koran was not burned in Tampa. Mission accomplished.
Muslims did not have to kill a great number of Americans to enforce blasphemy law in this country. Counting the various reactions to burnt Korans, rumors of a flushed Koran and assorted things of that nature, the number is still well below a hundred. Even counting every casualty in the war from September 11 onward, it took fewer deaths to make the United States give up on the Bill of Rights than it took to liberate it in the War of Independence.
But it’s not really about the deaths, if it were, then the United States wouldn’t be senselessly squandering the lives of American soldiers in Afghanistan to avoid offending the natives. It’s not the death of men that our leaders are worried about, but the death of stability.
Knowing that a hundred men will die today in car accidents does not alarm anyone, but knowing that somewhere a dozen men might die in a bomb explosion, anywhere and at any time, can bring a nations to its knees. That is the difference between predictable and unpredictable death. Predictable death makes it possible for most everyone to go about doing what they normally do. Unpredictable death, however, erodes daily order.
Blasphemy makes terrorism seem predictable
Blasphemy makes terrorism seem predictable. It delivers that false sense of control that is at the root of Stockholm Syndrome, the seductive illusion that the thug can be reasoned with and that we can restore control over our perilous environment by accepting responsibility for the enemy’s violence. If we meet a set of conditions, then we will have peace. And what kind of lunatic wouldn’t want peace? The kind who needs to be deported or locked up in the name of peace.
When an entire country goes Stockholm, then it is no longer interested in winning the war, only in surviving the peace. In a Stockholm country, national security consists of locking up anyone who can be blamed for sabotaging the peacemaking. The less peace there is, the more the peacemakers go on the hunt for “extremists” who are to blame for the lack of it. The more their vision of a better world fails, the more stern measures they must take against their own people. Peace is always one more denunciation of extremism away.
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Muslims have restored blasphemy prosecutions to the United States and Europe through violence.
Muslims have restored blasphemy prosecutions to the United States and Europe through violence. Like Khrushchev banging his shoe on the United Nations delegate desk, they did their best to convince the rest of the world that they were violently irrational and liable to do all sorts of things if their demands weren’t met. And their demands were met. Rather than going medieval on their asses, the civilized world instead went medieval on anyone who offended the medieval cult of Islam.
Muslim blasphemy, like the ghetto hood’s respect, is an assertion of supremacy by identity. It isn’t a grievance, it’s a right of violence, and if you give into it, then you accept the inferior status that comes from being weak in a system where might makes right and killing people, or threatening to, is what makes one man better than another.
Islam is submission. If you submit to Islam, then you’re a Muslim. If you submit to a Muslim, then you’re a slave
Islam is submission. If you submit to Islam, then you’re a Muslim. If you submit to a Muslim, then you’re a slave. The western blasphemy trial is not the enforced submission of an Islamic legal system that would be crude and brutal, but at least comparatively respectable, it is the enforced submission to Muslim violence. The judges who preside over our blasphemy cases do not believe in Islam, they believe in the danger of Muslim violence. This is not theocracy, is it slavery.
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These trials are a contradiction, 21st Century legal codes built on sensitivity and tolerance being used to prosecute deviations from a medieval code of insensitivity and intolerance. But that very same contradiction runs through the modern state’s entire approach to Islam. It is impossible to embrace medievalism without becoming medieval. The need to accommodate Islamic medievalism is forcing the medievalization of the modern world’s political and legal systems.
The conflict between the modern world and the Muslim world is being waged by the modern rules of international law and peacemaking on one side and by the medieval rules of brutal violence, insincere offers of peace and bigoted fanaticism on the other. Rather than fighting it on its own terms, the modern world is instead trying to accommodate it on its own terms by accommodating its blasphemy codes.
Trapped in a long-term war, our leaders are looking for ways of making the conflict more manageable. If they can’t win the war, they can at least limit the number of attacks. It’s not the open book kind of appeasement, but the double book kind. The open book is still patriotic, but the second book in the bottom drawer is running payments to the terrorists and finding ways to accommodate them. And anyone who runs afoul of the second book, also runs afoul of national security.
War often compromises freedoms, but it rarely compromises the freedom to hurt the enemy’s feelings. But this is a different sort of war. A war with no enemies and no hope of victory. A war whose only hope is that one day our enemies will become better people and stop trying to kill us. Our enemies are fighting to take away our freedoms and we are fighting to take away our own freedoms in the hopes that if we give up some of them to the enemy, he will settle for them and give up on the rest.
Stockholm control points of appeasement
In this sort of war, blasphemy is a serious national security threat, not because it truly is, but because our leaders desperately need their Stockholm control points of appeasement, they need to believe that if they crack down on Koran burnings then they can reduce the fighting by 5 percent or 8 percent and that gives them hope that they can one day reduce it by 100 percent.
The actual numbers don’t matter. On the month after Bubba the Love Sponge did not burn the Koran, 50 percent more Americans died in Afghanistan, but the statisticians can always argue that if he had burned it, then 75 percent more or 100 percent more would have died. Islam runs on magical thinking and any effort to appease it must also embrace that same medieval magical thinking. Hoping that blasphemy prosecutions will reduce violence, is psychologically less of a strain than accepting that nothing will, that there is no magic bullet, only regular bullets.
The sort of men who deport filmmakers, when they aren’t locking them up, and treat the stunts of shock jocks as a matter of national security, fail to understand that they are not fighting some vague notion of “extremism” which is fed by “extreme” language and actions, but an organized ideology whose goal is not merely preventing Bubba the Love Sponge from burning the Koran, but compelling the Mayor of Tampa and the American commander in Afghanistan to compel Bubba not to burn a Koran.
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There are two laws that govern men; the law of faith and the law of force
There are two laws that govern men; the law of faith and the law of force. The law of faith is followed when you do a thing because you believe it to be right. The law of force is followed when you compel others to do a thing or are compelled to do it by them. Faith at its strongest is more enduring than force, and yet force can be used to change faith.
America has lived under the law of faith, following the laws that it believed to be right. Islam conducts its affairs under the law of force, as it has since the days of Mohammed. American leaders are abandoning their laws of faith to force, giving up on freedom of speech to accommodate the violence of Islam, while forgetting that when you give up faith to force, then you also abandon any further reason to resist that force. Without faith, it is easier to let force win.
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They’re playing Risk
Our goofy majority of Americans are playing Guilt Trips
That Coptic Christian in jail is a flake (and a coward too, he first claimed to be an Israeli Jew) but he really is a political prisoner.
Speranza wrote:
Political prisoner though he may be, I would like to know also whether he is an administration patsy or whether he was a false-flag jihadi, or both.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Who the hell knows, I no longer put anything past this thuggish Cook County reared administration.
Re: This is not something that can all be blamed on the Obama administration as his predecessor was the first to describe Islam as a “religion of peace”.
That is kinda like saying we can’t blame the deficit on 0 because his predecessor ran a deficit… OK I won’t blame it all on him, just 92.4%
Pretty much nails what is happening. You don’t stop a bully by giving in to the bully. Islam is a bully writ large. This and the previous administrations think that letting the bullies take our lunch money will stop them from beating us up further. They are wrong.
My entire life I have heard Libs screaming about their Constitutional
rights, even if they had to torture the document to find the right.
But they are quick to limit clear Constitutional rights under the First
Amendment in order not to offend Muslim.
The Second Amendment is attacked in order to disarm lawful
gun owners, but won’t touch gang bangers.
But they somehow find a Constitutional right for abortions in any circumstance.
The document never alludes to such a right.
AZfederalist wrote:
to some extent yes, but the previous admin. hit back and rather hard at that.
Oh oh, you have insulted the blessed Saint. You must burn now you heretic!
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brookly red wrote:
[*blink*] can you quantify that?
@ brookly red:
By building schools and roads?
@ waldensianspirit:
Yeah spreading Democracy to savages is hardly hitting back hard.
@ RIX:
They do not care about the Constitution.
The US government’s approach to separation of church and state is getting all religions removed from the ME except Islam
RIX wrote:
Or the gay-rights lobby. The Muslims are merely ramping up the gay-rights lobby’s playbook under cover of the First Amendment’s guarantees of free exercise of religion, but it is the gay-rights lobby that has introduced and pushed the concept of “hate speech” for the last 40 years.
With the US embracing Stockholm Syndrome with regard to Muslims, the spines of our elected officials resemble Malmo-mars.
@ brookly red:
I like W , but he went overboard on the Islam thing.
A ‘Religion of Peace’” is laughable & I also seem to remember that he
said that Islam means Peace.
waldensianspirit wrote:
Iraq, Afghanistan, like that… now we could go on all day about what was wrong about that, but at least he made a point.
Sorry to post and run but I got an appointment… I’ll be back this evening to get beat up
US efforts against the enemy
brookly red wrote:
Better wear some bulky protective gear
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I do think that Muslim pressure groups learned from the Gay Lobby.
But I also think that they were schooled by Jackson & Sharpton.
Yell loud & continuously.
@ RIX:
W. banished Franklin Graham from the White House for telling the truth as W.went against truth and for what is convenient for him, his family and cronies
Yes the previous admin was foolish about Islam, but there is far more to what is happening now than most people know.
Once I get out of this funk I think I’ll finally get that thing posted that I’ve been working on. The level of pure absolute evil involved here with this admin is staggering. Bush had a lot of stupid ideas about Islam, but at root many of his ideas were based in altruistic ideals that just don’t work with medieval savages. This administration is not working with any form of altruism, in fact they are working directly with the evil itself.
In many ways this may be payback by the won and Jarrett for favors done by the Saudis back during the won’s Harvard years.
Would this president sell out an entire country for political power and gain?
W. could not identify the commanders of the enemy or their readily seen military compounds. Killed fewer than their breeding rate
@ RIX:
Both Parties are whores of the Caliphate.
@ waldensianspirit:
What Obama did to Franklin Graham was a disgrace.
He prefers clergy like Imam Wright.
waldensianspirit wrote:
W and the GOP loves Islam just like the Democrats.
@ Mars:
Obama definitely knows how to work the stock market
Mars wrote:
Has not already done so in many ways?
citizen_q wrote:
Exactly
@ Rodan:
Both parties are far too deferential to Islam.
@ Mars:
That is the difference between The Republicans wanting to go to war for Islam and the Democrats. Republicans really believe the Progressive concept that everyone wants Democracy and if we are nice to the Muzz they will like us. Even if it means Backstabbing Christians (Serbs, Chaldean Christians, Copts, Maronites).
Democrats want an Islamic Empire because they view them as allies in destroying Western Civilization.
RIX wrote:
Yup, but for different reasons. Republicans really believe in the Democracy human freedom stuff. Democrats because they hate the West.
An irony of politics is that the GOP has adopted a Hippie let’s all love each other attitude and the Democrats have a realistic although evil view of the world.
Rodan wrote:
We don’t always agree on everything but you hit it dead on.
And just since so many don’t seem to realize: The republicans almost as a whole opposed Kosovo and wanted us completely out of it.
http://voices.yahoo.com/what-republicans-said-kosovo-159771.html
(This is an article by a lib so expect it to be nasty.)
RIX wrote:
I only want the Second Amendment as protected as the right to abortion. So can we change the debate to that? We need to decide if the Federal Government should be subsidizing my ownership of an M-240 GPMG…
Rodan wrote:
To be fair Democracy could have worked in the ME, but it would have required a lot of walls and a lot of firing squads.
We don’t have the nerve to execute that many people. (All Imams and most muslims over the age of 15.)
RIX wrote:
The entire “Islamophobia” concept was based on the bogus locution of “homophobia.”
“Homophobia” is an attempt to say to political opponents, “We’re not “sick,” you are!”—to make people who disagree with your political objectives appear to be mentally ill.
This is an outgrowth of the dismissal of homosexual-rights agitation being dismissed on the grounds that homosexual behavior was a “mental illness”—but the decree that such behavior was a “mental illness” was itself an outgrowth of the creation of political “homosexuality” in the 19th century, when the pseudoscience of psychoanalysis was in its nascent stages.
In short, just as “antisemitism” was coined in the 19th century as a “scientific” name for Jew-hatred, since the Jew-haters needed a non-religious “racial” basis for hating Jews, the homosexually-inclined coined “homosexuality” as a separate phenomenon (the “third sex”) to create a “scientific” non-religious justification for themselves. That, in turn, opened the Pandora’s Box of “looking for scientific causes”—and because the homosexually-inclined forgot that there were more heterosexually- than homosexually-inclined people in the new pseudoscience of psychology, for sixty or seventy years the psychology establishment regarded homosexuals as “sick,” until the community acquired enough political leverage to get the establishment to vote a change. No genuine “science” anywhere in any of this, you realize—it was all political, from the beginning.
“Homophobia” was the purely-political invented term created to lay all of this to rest and to give the gay-rights lobby a powerful linguistic weapon against its opponents. The Islamists, who are nothing if not politically savvy, adopted the locution for themselves.
Iron Fist wrote:
It’s a sad thing when people the left try to saddle us with can’t understand facts. Rupert Murdoch has been posting a ton of stuff on twitter. On one of them he references the shooting and wonders why the US can’t be like Australia and ban all “automatic” weapons.
I think when people are that fucking clueless they should have their computers taken away.
@ Mars:
Wow, so the GOP opposed bombing Serbia. Can I have that GOP back instead of this incarnation that wants to go to war in Syria for al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Where Conservatives went wrong is their obsession over gays. The best thing would have been top ignore them. Instead many hotheads with help of the media made them into martyrs.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
It goes much further than that. Over the last year I have pointed out several articles in psych journals that are attempting to get all forms of conservative thought labeled as deviant and a form of mental illness.
Psychology is the plaything of the hard left masquerading as hard science.
@ Mars:
De-Islamization was the answer. But like you said, we didn’t have the balls.
Mars wrote:
There are two elements to the “mental health” industry. One extremely tiny portion of it is involved in treating such things as measurable chemical imbalances in the brain to address things like schizophrenia.
The rest of it is pseudoscientific blather which has no basis in anything other than the mental fads of the moment. And it is utterly pernicious.
Rodan wrote:
The main problem is that we have far too many elites running the show. The average GOP doesn’t even understand what’s going on. And all of them from the elites on down get their news from the MSM.
Once again it’s a matter of dissemination of information.
The leadership are the elites, they only care about what will keep them in power.
The lower echelons are largely cowed by the elites and punished for pushing conservative principles.
Meanwhile the hard left is the puppet master of the whole show. They make the press dance on their strings which in turn tells the elites what to think, which makes them punish the lower ranks for deviating from the script.
Rodan wrote:
How do they “make them martyrs?” And how do you “ignore” a loud, vocal pressure group?
“Conservatives,” however you define them, are not “obsessed” by the homosexually-inclined. But when the gay-lobby starts pushing for socially-destructive political advantage, that must be addressed.
@ Rodan:
Libs & Islamists do find common ground in their mutual disdain for
the West.
Libs always see anything Western as somehow illegitimate.
RIX wrote:
Except Western children born out of wedlock.
@ Mars:
That was a tactic the Soviets used to silence critics. They would label their opponents as mentally ill and lock them up.
Rodan wrote:
It’s hard to ignore them when every “coming out of the closet” dominates the airwaves for months. Or every show, comic book, or what have you that introduces a gay character is celebrated every freaking day.
Almost all conservatives I know couldn’t give a damn what the gays do if they would just leave us the hell alone and not celebrate every sexual behavior as a great achievement.
The way comic books are going right now, I expect that in the next two years every character in the books will be gay and muslim the way it’s going right now.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Islamophobia is apparently noticing that the towers were knocked
down with 3,000 people slaughtered & muslims celebrated.
Hateful to notice.
Rodan wrote:
The hard left reuses the same tactics over and over again and then claims they are different.
@ Mars:
You know we are the only Conservative blog that opposes intervention in Syria? All the major blogs like Hot Air, Daily Caller and Ace are advocating War for al-Qaeda in Syria. We were the only Conservative blog that opposed intervention in Syria and was against the Arab Spring.
Something I am very proud of!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
True
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I actually agree with an article I saw by a lib the other day.
Let’s have every gay in entertainment come out of the closet on one day. That way we can get it all over with and move on with our lives.
Mars wrote:
Just as the Civil Rights Movement was won with the passage of the Voting Rights Act, but continued on autopilot as a “human rights” gimme movement seeking special privileges, the “gay-rights” movement was won when the Supreme Court voided sodomy laws—but continues as a “human rights” movement seeking special privileges.
The current push for same-sex marriage is a move to destroy the First Amendment protections for free speech and free exercise of religion. It is one Supreme Court decision away from accomplishing that mission, with the added bonus of destroying the federalism protected by the Tenth Amendment—and if Elena Kagen writes the decision on that case this Spring, the deed is done.
@ RIX:
I wonder if that is mostly just a front for their grabbing wealth and power. They do seem to love all the trappings of western opulence and privilege for themselves. Revolutionaries who oppress, rule, and get fabulously wealthy by subversion an manipulation.
@ Mars:
That’s not the impression people have. The media takes a loudmouth like Bachmann or Santorum and uses it to smear everyone. So the default thought of most people is that the Republicans are obsessed with Gays. That is why I wonder if many of these Conservatives are really false flag operatives.
@ Mars:
The numbers might be less than thought. I sometimes think some of these people fake being Gay top appear being cool.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yep.
It’s amazing how many people can’t see this is all about getting the federal government into the churches. You have the gay marriage attack and then on the other side of the coin you have the birth control insurance issue.
This is a perfectly planned attack.
Not all of the electorate is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
Polls: NRA has higher favorable rating than Obama
Rodan wrote:
That’s what’s happening in the High Schools right now. It’s “cool” to be gay, so many of the kids, (mostly girls) go gay. Then when they get out and go to college they declare they are “bi-sexual” and then when they get out they are suddenly “straight”.
Rodan wrote:
I don’t care for Bachmann or Santorum either, but I do not know what you are referring to. Bachmann’s husband supposedly was involved in “therapies” for changing homosexual orientation, which is considered to be some sort of terrible crime nowadays—though it was standard operating procedure for people in the psychological/psychiatric professions for most of the 20th century. Moreover, it is perfectly appropriate to point out that people do change their behavior—I knew a guy who was the head of a section of the department store I worked in during college who had been a homosexual kept boy in his youth, who was married with several children. I know a musician who broke up with his male lover of 20-some years to marry a woman with whom he is raising an adopted child.
Mars wrote:
The gay-rights movement was founded with the destruction of marriage as one of its objectives. That founding principle has never been addressed—nor has anyone investigated why/how “marriage” went from “must-destroy” to “must-have.”
California had a totally comprehensive domestic partnership law, and the gay lobby still pressed for “marriage”—because that would give the movement an entree into attacking churches that did not go along with same-sex marriage on equal-protection grounds. That is the sole reason for the “marriage” push; it is a Cloward-Piven attack on religion.
@ huckfunn:
That is the one issue the GOP is good on. Notice the Dems are backing away now from Gun Control? Guns are something people can relate to.
Mars wrote:
That’s what you call “recruitment.” The idea is to socialize as many kids as possible, during their maximum-confusion years, into thinking they are “gay”—and to get their classmates into thinking so, to, to confirm them in their belief. After a couple of years, they have a reputation and their entire social interaction is built around their “gay identity”—and if they have second thoughts, it means abandoning their entire social structure, which is very hard to do.
@ Mars:
Yup. I know a Miami DJ who pretends to be gay because it gets him good gigs. He is NOT gay at all, but his marketing scheme work.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
But that is not the argument Conservative used. Many go into gay bashing and claim Gays evil. They don’t explain how it’s an attack on religion. They also did not back Civil Unions when the had a chance. Instead they demonized the issue and made Gays into heroes.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Bachmann’s husband supposedly was involved in “therapies” for changing homosexual orientation,
Have you seen Bachmann’s husband? He looks like he bats for the other team.
Rodan wrote:
I am not responsible for what other people do. I am explaining the issue as clearly as I can, and people can listen if they care to.
I used to support “gay marriage”—until I fully comprehended the perniciousness of “human rights” and that “human rights” are totally antithetical to the Constitutional plan of liberty protected by civil rights. From that time, while I support legal protections for same-sex civil unions, I have wholly opposed recognition of “same-sex marriage.”
Rodan wrote:
Frankly, stereotyping of this sort does “conservatism” no favors.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that Bachmann’s husband has taken a few walks on the wild side, and subsequently moderated his behavior. Who better to know that modification of one’s behavior is in fact possible? And why should his appearance matter?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
You are explaining the issue correctly. But the GOP/Conservatives did not. They should have made clear the real anti-Religious agenda. Then offer up a support of Civil Unions/Domestic Partnerships.
Too often Republicans never explain what they are for, just what they oppose.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
How do you know he’s not running that clinic for hookups? My point is that the Right needs better spokespeople than Bachmann.
Rodan wrote:
Actually most of the time the Republicans do explain things correctly with all the facts and information to back it up.
The press then reports that they are evil hate mongers.
They single out the one republican who speaks up like an idiot without facts and only his opinion.
How many times has the press done this with a Democrat. NEVER.
Yet, the dems have spoken up and revealed how evil they truly are over and over, but it never gets an airing on the press.
But, let one republican express his moral opinion and he’s a nazi.
Somehow you only ever see the press narrative. But, that makes you like much of the country in this aspect.
That’s what has to change.
brookly red wrote:
I agree as far as hitting back and better than the appeasers we have now. But they stil were very much into not offending the religion of pieces and were all too eager to allow Iraq and Afghanistan to install Muslim governments instead of secular inclusive governments. That is a problem they could have prevented.
@ 2 Speranza: Should he be in jail for being a flake and a coward though? By that standard Matt Damon should be in there with him.
@ Mars:
I never once during the Gay Marriage debate ever saw a Prominent Republican on TV ever make the the argument Buzzsaw has made.
Yes, the media does create a narrative, but too often many Conservatives are willing to feed the narrative. That is why I am starting to think there are false flag operatives.
@ 17 RIX: That is that whole federated institutional way of thinking. MAssaged by assistants, advisors, and PR people. Mitt Romney, Chris Christie would do the same. A newt gingrich or a Donald Trump or a John Bolton would pressure the enemy more.
AZfederalist wrote:
Even though it is not democracy, we should have forced both governments into an equal representation by all the different communities in the countries. (Except of course for those that continued to provide aid and comfort to our enemies. Our second big mistake.)
We also should have written the laws and constitution to exclude sharia.
@ 25 Rodan: 2 -party evil money cult….?
@ 38 Mars: That shooting was a mental health issue and not a gun issue. Basically.
@ 41 Mars: It will be ok to be part of a gay marriage, but deviant to marry a co religionist and follow a scripture.
darkwords wrote:
We have a President that speaks with Arab pronunciation
and calls the Muslim call to prayer the most beautiful
sound that he has ever heard.
We must have been attacked by Methodists./
Rodan wrote:
You believe the press would allow any republican to make the argument? Then you are gullible. There is no way a reasoned argument would be allowed to air.
They aren’t even letting reasoned arguments on the fiscal cliff, gun control, or any other issue.
(We are winning the gun debate because we are properly utilizing other outlets and the general consensus is already on our side.)
The reasoned arguments are stressed all the time, but you have to go to the internet or AM radio to find them. The press will never allow them.
Republicans have facts, liberals have feelings. Guess which gets the air time?
darkwords wrote:
Exactly.
@ 43 buzzsawmonkey: People can talk themselves into being mentally ill. Carl Jung in his bio talks about how he made himself mentally sick when he was young. And once he realized how it was harming everyone around him he kicked his own ass and got up and started working.
@ 48 Rodan: Those are teachers unions members here. Today.
@ 57 Rodan: more so useful idiots. Bachmann is ok until the thought process leaves the financial areana. Then she has a lot of poorly thought out reasons based on a weak faith. IMO.
@ 61 Mars: Even JAmes Bonds hinted at a gay orientation in Skyfall. The whole male audience in SEattle was atwitter.
I’d say Rap Music and MMA and the Boy Scouts are where Trump and Gingrich should be placing their bets.
@ Mars:
That is why they love having Bachmann, Santorum or Coulter on their shows. These loons are probably false flaggers who feed the Progressive narrative.
The Conservatives in this situation are FOR something. They are for the right to bear arms. Plus the media narrative fell apart as soon as the facts came out.
Look no doubt the media is the enemy. But Conservatives need a media strategy.
darkwords wrote:
She’s like Ron Paul. She makes seen when it comes to fiscal issues but then goes off the rails on other issues.
@ 62 buzzsawmonkey: Male Ice Skaters and Platform divers routinely groom young men in those sports for male on male bonding with no limites. Greg Louganis.
Sexuality like most things is probably a competitive spectrum of behaviors rewarded by progeny and wealth. To think that a person can become gay over time and not become straight over time is a perverse stacking of the deck designed to bring in stability into peoples lives.
I don’t believe in the personified devil. But as a symbol that is the devils work there and a lot of churches roll over and accept it.
@ darkwords:
I’d say Rap Music and MMA and the Boy Scouts are where Trump and Gingrich should be placing their bets.
Up until a few years back, Trump actually did promote Rap parties and clubs. But now he is persona non grata because he came out as a Conservative. meanwhile many Conservatives turned their back on him and attack him. Rather than embrace a popular icon joining us, many spit on him. This is why Pop Culture figures do not come out as Conservatives. The right doe not embrace them.
@ 64 Rodan: Sell guns to women. Then send them NRA memberships.
@ 83 Mars:
A few GoP ers need to started making planned extreme statements that make the left boil and make people think.
darkwords wrote:
She’s also right on the muslim brotherhood infiltration of the government.
@ 92 Rodan: Trump could buy an MMA association. And then party up patriotism in Vegas with the Rappers. Kids will see it.
@ Mars:
She was spot on about that.
@ 95 Mars: Yes, that is an interesting line of thinking. How much money and social justice support is there in the US for supporting anti american terror abroad. And building a growth structure in the US.
Mars wrote:
Rhetorical question, right?
I.e., in a heartbeat.
darkwords wrote:
I’ve got a booklet right here. All I have to do is get out of this funk I’m in and put it into my own words. I think even people here are going to be blown away by the amount of infiltration in this administration.
The previous administration was stupid but meant well. This administration has welcomed evil with open arms.
@ Mars:
That nails it right there. On foreign policy Republicans have become like how Democrats used to be. They think we are all one happy human family that wants freedom.
Democrats are evil realists and are helping the enemy of our civilization.
@ waldensianspirit:
Liberals are a like Slinkies. It’s fun to push them down stairs…
Golf 18 hours -- michelle 4 hours.
@ Rodan:
I disagree. Wilfully dodging away from truth is something more than stupidity. I think W. has always kicked against Christian influence in his life all the way from his formative years and it showed in his governance
darkwords wrote:
Wow! Macho stamina!
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
So proportional!
@ Rodan:
Ace is not conservative. They hate Serbs. I do not visit or link there.
@ waldensianspirit:
That’s very interesting view. Bush always presented himself as some hardcore Christian and used it in his politics. Are you saying it was a fraudulent act?
Is there a credible source that Neil Bush is a Moonie?
@ waldensianspirit:
Yup.
waldensianspirit wrote:
That’s possible but I think it’s more likely that he gave in to the PC wing of the elites and wanted to be liked by everyone. He especially wanted the media to love him. I’ve read that he was crushed by how much hate the media dumped on him constantly.
@ Rodan:
Maybe not so much fraudulent as lost his way growing up and it never was for him. Christianity isn’t for everybody but it was around him as default
darkwords wrote:
There are many reasons for a disaffected teenager to “become gay.” An alienated teen—and what teen is not “alienated?”—finds a sympathetic ear for all his angst and confusion. The person lending the sympathetic ear is willing to put up with Teen Blather to get a nice clean new youngster, and the youngster is willing to engage in whatever because he’s being listened to and…hey, he’s getting sex, and teens like sex (who doesn’t?). And after that goes sour, there’s somebody else more than willing to take the first Sympathetic Ear’s place. And, before you know it, you’ve got someone who’s been socialized—groomed, as they say—into a lifestyle and a social circle of support. Hard to give that up, even if you have second thoughts—because if you do, you’re Alone, and you have to try and make it into non-gay society from scratch, and two or three or five years behind everybody else, in a world where merely being young and available is not a guaranteed entree.
For many it is a finite life and then oblivion
waldensianspirit wrote:
Dem underground and the Moonies own blogspot page.
Other than that its a bunch of paranormal and conspiracy sites.
Mars wrote:
Maybe the gay-rights issues should be renamed “Buns Control.”
1389AD wrote:
Ace and Hot Air are just pro-Islamic anti Slavic Christian propaganda. They both want war in Syria. I do not go to those blogs often. Only occasionally to find a good link.
@ Mars:
That’s why he never fought back.Bush was a Progressive in his heart and wanted acceptance from the Left.
@ Mars:
Yea wondered because as I google his name and moonies keep popping up
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
It’s not a new phenomena either. It unfortunately makes them prey for the worst kinds of predators.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/history/haarman/index_1.html
@ waldensianspirit:
Here’s Bush shaking hands with an Islamic terrorists. Yet many Conservatives view him as some anti-terror hero. I am proud to say, I never fell for his BS.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Heh. Plus it would help put a puncture in the PC balloon.
One thing that must be done, is that the PC thing has to be crushed. All it is is control of the language.
If you notice minority liberals are not held to the PC rules like we are.
PC must be destroyed forever.
Rodan wrote:
As does McCain, Boehner, Graham, et al.
We cannot keep allowing leaders who genuflect at the altar of the media get elected.
@ Mars:
That is why I liked Trump and Gingrich/. They got nasty with the media and put them in their place.
@ Mars:
Neither are White Progressives.
New Thread.
Rodan wrote:
Only occasionally will it rear it’s head. By no means do I consider Don Imus a conservative, but it bit him in the ass. What’s his name from Seinfeld wasn’t conservative either but the PC police destroyed him.
So there is some enforcement on liberal whites, but not consistently.
Obama Issues Executive Order Giving Pay Raise To Biden, Members Of Congress…
Reminding ‘em who pays ‘em and gives them perks
OT, but I just wanted to pass on this site, there’s quite a wealth of useful Data. I happened upon it googling the US birth rates (plummeting).
Mark Steyn was/is so right -- our demographics look worse than our economics and, in many ways, are actually driving our economics.
@ Mars:
Not if the target is a Minority Conservative. Bill Maher and Donny Deutch called Rubio a Coconut and suffered no consequences.
@ MacDuff:
Hey check out the new thread!
Mars wrote:
Well, Haarmann (whose case is discussed in the very interesting book “Murder for Profit,” an early volume on serial killers), as I understand it, tended to approach young men who were at least nominally into the homosexual subculture which flourished in Germany in the post-WWI period.
BTW, the post-WWI period in Germany was the first flowering of a communist-led gay-rights movement. The US got its first communist-led gay-rights movement after WWII.
brookly red wrote:
Indeed. Obama is so deep in with the enemy he even has the Muslim Brotherhood to the White House. It is really disgusting.
Rodan wrote:
Oh for heavens sake..Bush isn’t president any longer and no one is saying Bush was perfect but to continue to bash him just seems redundant. Just my humble opinion.
Rodan wrote:
Also very true.
@ Lily:
W. continues to be silent [*some weird idea about being a classy ex-President*] while Clinton runs his mouth all the time and helps write gun grabber policy.
W. needs to rectify his mistakes since he has the time and the country is in peril
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yep, he went after confused kids that weren’t 100% certain of what they were. Then used them, killed them, sold their clothes and sold their meat to local shops.
Rodan wrote:
I thought that coconuts were the new In Thing. All the bodegas my way are selling coconut water.
His favorite targets were runaways at train stations.
And W. has David Frum out there as an asinine spokeshole and he needs to shut him down
waldensianspirit wrote:
Not disagreeing with you here. But Bush isn’t president anymore. Bashing him just seems pointless. That’s all. I know he was not a perfect president ….not in the least. I just think that saying something bad about Bush then someone else saying Oh-oh now your in for it seems well pointless.
Plus maybe I’m not really ready to be posting yet. I sense my cranky level hasn’t lifted all the way yet.
@ Lily:
His political machine is still active and making a mess. They be GOP elites so to get to them we need to punch at W.
interesting gun threads at wz:
Utah: 200 Teachers Turn Up For Free Gun Training Following Newtown School Shooting…
Fun Fact Of The Day: NRA Has Higher Favorable Rating Than Obama…
Anti-Gun Dem Sen. Chuck Schumer To Bushmaster Gunmaker In 2011: “Knock On My Door” If Regulations Become Too Burdensome…
Jesse Jackson Attempts To Defend Chicago’s Gun Ban After 500th Homicide Of The Year… Fails Miserably…
waldensianspirit wrote:
Not sure why this hasn’t shut down yet…he isn’t president anymore so the machine should be shut down. Sometimes politic’s is too much at times. Why can’t these ex-presidents retire and leave the country alone is beyond me.
Lily wrote:
Until Rove is shown the door he will be part of this mess. And there’s more than him.
It’s not nearly as bad as the entrenchment of the liberals in the State Dept, but its pretty bad.
@ Mars:
Fox News is full of Bushies.
Rodan wrote:
Yep, yet all libs attack me when I call Fox centrist at best.
Mars wrote:
Well that is just sad. And I agree Rove should be shown the door.
Mars wrote:
I also agree that Fox News is centrist. Contrary to what obama and libs say…it isn’t what they claim it to be.
darkwords wrote:
Of course he should not be in prison at all.
@ Mars:
Correction, this administration is evil.
@ 108 1389AD: You want to refine and shorten your Serb arguments to 10 leading points. Points that put a prospective on the situation that NATO may have mislead the world. There are tons of conservatives who on the surface are anti serb, but are really that low info voter. ACE colors his issues with his sometimes negative life experiences. And most people that left LGF probably read a lot of anti serb propoganda.
What is the serb conflict essentially? Communities ripped apart by medieval islam? and still on the front line. The atrocities came with the muslims and just recycle themselves. No one side can claim innocence. But there is one main transgressor on a mission.
@ 110 waldensianspirit: It reads like he and the moonies had a mutual greed interest. And wiki suggests assoication with the pope. And it is suggested the moonie association is the moonies giving Neil Bush time and money so he can influence the tax charges against the church.
@ waldensianspirit:
Mars wrote:
GWB is a member of CFR -- and so is Roger Ailes.
Let me be the first to tell them where to go and what to do when they get there.
Eternal damnation is far too good for the whole lot of them.
And that’s that.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Many boys as young as five or six years old know that they are ‘different” to other boys. Most of the gays are not seduced youngsters.
@ 157 Guggi: Sexually different before puberty? I would guess only n very rate situations. It would be just as likely the “different” feeling they are thinking is conditioned.