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When an entire nation embraces the “Stockholm Syndrome”

by Speranza ( 158 Comments › )
Filed under Afghanistan, Dhimmitude, Islam, Islamic Terrorism, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Liberal Fascism, Media, Military, Multiculturalism, Political Correctness, Politics, September 11, Taliban at December 28th, 2012 - 12:00 pm

The Knish shows us that the consequences of our obsession with “stability” results in the loss of our freedoms. We are sacrificing our liberty by trying to appease the unappeasable. The fact that a fanatic such as Nidal Hassan was allowed to remain in the United States Army all because he was a Muslim and after the Ft. Hood massacre the commanding officer of the United States Army was worried about our diversity efforts shows that the Stockholm Syndrome has penetrated the highest echelons of the United States government. This is not something that can all be blamed on the Obama administration as  his predecessor was the first to describe Islam as a “religion of peace”.

by Daniel Greenfield

Spain has begun deportation proceedings against Imran Firasat, a Christian refugee from Pakistan, for making a documentary about Mohammed and thereby threatening the national security of Spain. If Firasat is deported back to Pakistan, he will face the death penalty proving that it’s a short step from the Spanish Inquisition to the Pakistani Inquisition.

The United States has a man sitting in prison for making another blasphemous movie, which the government spent weeks blaming for worldwide attacks on American embassies. And he isn’t the first man persecuted or prosecuted for offending Islam. Offending Islam has become a national security issue involving all levels of government.

When Bubba the Love Sponge, a Tampa DJ, proposed to burn a Koran, the commander of the Afghanistan war contacted his girlfriend, who would later be stalked by Petraeus’ girlfriend, to contact the Mayor of Tampa to keep Bubba from burning a Koran. Instead of explaining how the American system works to the Lebanese temptress and her four-star general, the mayor wrote back that the city was working on it.

That month 50 percent more Americans were killed in Afghanistan in the long slow death march of the war, but a Koran was not burned in Tampa. Mission accomplished.

Muslims did not have to kill a great number of Americans to enforce blasphemy law in this country. Counting the various reactions to burnt Korans, rumors of a flushed Koran and assorted things of that nature, the number is still well below a hundred. Even counting every casualty in the war from September 11 onward, it took fewer deaths to make the United States give up on the Bill of Rights than it took to liberate it in the War of Independence.

But it’s not really about the deaths, if it were, then the United States wouldn’t be senselessly squandering the lives of American soldiers in Afghanistan to avoid offending the natives. It’s not the death of men that our leaders are worried about, but the death of stability.

Knowing that a hundred men will die today in car accidents does not alarm anyone, but knowing that somewhere a dozen men might die in a bomb explosion, anywhere and at any time, can bring a nations to its knees. That is the difference between predictable and unpredictable death. Predictable death makes it possible for most everyone to go about doing what they normally do. Unpredictable death, however, erodes daily order.

Blasphemy makes terrorism seem predictable

Blasphemy makes terrorism seem predictable. It delivers that false sense of control that is at the root of Stockholm Syndrome, the seductive illusion that the thug can be reasoned with and that we can restore control over our perilous environment by accepting responsibility for the enemy’s violence. If we meet a set of conditions, then we will have peace. And what kind of lunatic wouldn’t want peace? The kind who needs to be deported or locked up in the name of peace.

When an entire country goes Stockholm, then it is no longer interested in winning the war, only in surviving the peace. In a Stockholm country, national security consists of locking up anyone who can be blamed for sabotaging the peacemaking. The less peace there is, the more the peacemakers go on the hunt for “extremists” who are to blame for the lack of it. The more their vision of a better world fails, the more stern measures they must take against their own people. Peace is always one more denunciation of extremism away.

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Muslims have restored blasphemy prosecutions to the United States and Europe through violence.

Muslims have restored blasphemy prosecutions to the United States and Europe through violence. Like Khrushchev banging his shoe on the United Nations delegate desk, they did their best to convince the rest of the world that they were violently irrational and liable to do all sorts of things if their demands weren’t met. And their demands were met. Rather than going medieval on their asses, the civilized world instead went medieval on anyone who offended the medieval cult of Islam.

Muslim blasphemy, like the ghetto hood’s respect, is an assertion of supremacy by identity. It isn’t a grievance, it’s a right of violence, and if you give into it, then you accept the inferior status that comes from being weak in a system where might makes right and killing people, or threatening to, is what makes one man better than another.

Islam is submission. If you submit to Islam, then you’re a Muslim. If you submit to a Muslim, then you’re a slave

Islam is submission. If you submit to Islam, then you’re a Muslim. If you submit to a Muslim, then you’re a slave. The western blasphemy trial is not the enforced submission of an Islamic legal system that would be crude and brutal, but at least comparatively respectable, it is the enforced submission to Muslim violence. The judges who preside over our blasphemy cases do not believe in Islam, they believe in the danger of Muslim violence. This is not theocracy, is it slavery.

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These trials are a contradiction, 21st Century legal codes built on sensitivity and tolerance being used to prosecute deviations from a medieval code of insensitivity and intolerance. But that very same contradiction runs through the modern state’s entire approach to Islam. It is impossible to embrace medievalism without becoming medieval. The need to accommodate Islamic medievalism is forcing the medievalization of the modern world’s political and legal systems.

The conflict between the modern world and the Muslim world is being waged by the modern rules of international law and peacemaking on one side and by the medieval rules of brutal violence, insincere offers of peace and bigoted fanaticism on the other. Rather than fighting it on its own terms, the modern world is instead trying to accommodate it on its own terms by accommodating its blasphemy codes.

Trapped in a long-term war, our leaders are looking for ways of making the conflict more manageable. If they can’t win the war, they can at least limit the number of attacks. It’s not the open book kind of appeasement, but the double book kind. The open book is still patriotic, but the second book in the bottom drawer is running payments to the terrorists and finding ways to accommodate them. And anyone who runs afoul of the second book, also runs afoul of national security.

War often compromises freedoms, but it rarely compromises the freedom to hurt the enemy’s feelings. But this is a different sort of war. A war with no enemies and no hope of victory. A war whose only hope is that one day our enemies will become better people and stop trying to kill us. Our enemies are fighting to take away our freedoms and we are fighting to take away our own freedoms in the hopes that if we give up some of them to the enemy, he will settle for them and give up on the rest.

Stockholm control points of appeasement

In this sort of war, blasphemy is a serious national security threat, not because it truly is, but because our leaders desperately need their Stockholm control points of appeasement, they need to believe that if they crack down on Koran burnings then they can reduce the fighting by 5 percent or 8 percent and that gives them hope that they can one day reduce it by 100 percent.

The actual numbers don’t matter. On the month after Bubba the Love Sponge did not burn the Koran, 50 percent more Americans died in Afghanistan, but the statisticians can always argue that if he had burned it, then 75 percent more or 100 percent more would have died. Islam runs on magical thinking and any effort to appease it must also embrace that same medieval magical thinking. Hoping that blasphemy prosecutions will reduce violence, is psychologically less of a strain than accepting that nothing will, that there is no magic bullet, only regular bullets.

The sort of men who deport filmmakers, when they aren’t locking them up, and treat the stunts of shock jocks as a matter of national security, fail to understand that they are not fighting some vague notion of “extremism” which is fed by “extreme” language and actions, but an organized ideology whose goal is not merely preventing Bubba the Love Sponge from burning the Koran, but compelling the Mayor of Tampa and the American commander in Afghanistan to compel Bubba not to burn a Koran.

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There are two laws that govern men; the law of faith and the law of force

There are two laws that govern men; the law of faith and the law of force. The law of faith is followed when you do a thing because you believe it to be right. The law of force is followed when you compel others to do a thing or are compelled to do it by them. Faith at its strongest is more enduring than force, and yet force can be used to change faith.

America has lived under the law of faith, following the laws that it believed to be right. Islam conducts its affairs under the law of force, as it has since the days of Mohammed. American leaders are abandoning their laws of faith to force, giving up on freedom of speech to accommodate the violence of Islam, while forgetting that when you give up faith to force, then you also abandon any further reason to resist that force. Without faith, it is easier to let force win.

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  1. waldensianspirit
    1 | December 28, 2012 12:29 pm

    They’re playing Risk

    Our goofy majority of Americans are playing Guilt Trips


  2. Speranza
    2 | December 28, 2012 12:30 pm

    That Coptic Christian in jail is a flake (and a coward too, he first claimed to be an Israeli Jew) but he really is a political prisoner.


  3. buzzsawmonkey
    3 | December 28, 2012 12:34 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    That Coptic Christian in jail is a flake (and a coward too, he first claimed to be an Israeli Jew) but he really is a political prisoner.

    Political prisoner though he may be, I would like to know also whether he is an administration patsy or whether he was a false-flag jihadi, or both.


  4. Speranza
    4 | December 28, 2012 12:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Political prisoner though he may be, I would like to know also whether he is an administration patsy or whether he was a false-flag jihadi, or both.

    Who the hell knows, I no longer put anything past this thuggish Cook County reared administration.


  5. brookly red
    5 | December 28, 2012 12:44 pm

    Re: This is not something that can all be blamed on the Obama administration as his predecessor was the first to describe Islam as a “religion of peace”.

    That is kinda like saying we can’t blame the deficit on 0 because his predecessor ran a deficit… OK I won’t blame it all on him, just 92.4%


  6. AZfederalist
    6 | December 28, 2012 12:49 pm

    Pretty much nails what is happening. You don’t stop a bully by giving in to the bully. Islam is a bully writ large. This and the previous administrations think that letting the bullies take our lunch money will stop them from beating us up further. They are wrong.


  7. RIX
    7 | December 28, 2012 12:53 pm

    My entire life I have heard Libs screaming about their Constitutional
    rights, even if they had to torture the document to find the right.
    But they are quick to limit clear Constitutional rights under the First
    Amendment in order not to offend Muslim.
    The Second Amendment is attacked in order to disarm lawful
    gun owners, but won’t touch gang bangers.
    But they somehow find a Constitutional right for abortions in any circumstance.
    The document never alludes to such a right.


  8. brookly red
    8 | December 28, 2012 12:53 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Pretty much nails what is happening. You don’t stop a bully by giving in to the bully. Islam is a bully writ large. This and the previous administrations think that letting the bullies take our lunch money will stop them from beating us up further. They are wrong.

    to some extent yes, but the previous admin. hit back and rather hard at that.


  9. 9 | December 28, 2012 12:55 pm

    This is not something that can all be blamed on the Obama administration as his predecessor was the first to describe Islam as a “religion of peace”.

    Oh oh, you have insulted the blessed Saint. You must burn now you heretic!
    ////


  10. waldensianspirit
    10 | December 28, 2012 12:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    to some extent yes, but the previous admin. hit back and rather hard at that.

    [*blink*] can you quantify that?


  11. 11 | December 28, 2012 12:55 pm

    @ brookly red:

    but the previous admin. hit back and rather hard at that.

    By building schools and roads?


  12. 12 | December 28, 2012 12:56 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Yeah spreading Democracy to savages is hardly hitting back hard.


  13. 13 | December 28, 2012 12:57 pm

    @ RIX:

    They do not care about the Constitution.


  14. waldensianspirit
    14 | December 28, 2012 12:57 pm

    The US government’s approach to separation of church and state is getting all religions removed from the ME except Islam


  15. buzzsawmonkey
    15 | December 28, 2012 12:57 pm

    RIX wrote:

    But they are quick to limit clear Constitutional rights under the First
    Amendment in order not to offend Muslim.

    Or the gay-rights lobby. The Muslims are merely ramping up the gay-rights lobby’s playbook under cover of the First Amendment’s guarantees of free exercise of religion, but it is the gay-rights lobby that has introduced and pushed the concept of “hate speech” for the last 40 years.


  16. buzzsawmonkey
    16 | December 28, 2012 12:59 pm

    With the US embracing Stockholm Syndrome with regard to Muslims, the spines of our elected officials resemble Malmo-mars.


  17. RIX
    17 | December 28, 2012 12:59 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I like W , but he went overboard on the Islam thing.
    A ‘Religion of Peace’” is laughable & I also seem to remember that he
    said that Islam means Peace.


  18. brookly red
    18 | December 28, 2012 1:00 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    to some extent yes, but the previous admin. hit back and rather hard at that.

    [*blink*] can you quantify that?

    Iraq, Afghanistan, like that… now we could go on all day about what was wrong about that, but at least he made a point.

    Sorry to post and run but I got an appointment… I’ll be back this evening to get beat up :)


  19. waldensianspirit
    19 | December 28, 2012 1:02 pm

    US efforts against the enemy


  20. waldensianspirit
    20 | December 28, 2012 1:03 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Sorry to post and run but I got an appointment… I’ll be back this evening to get beat up

    Better wear some bulky protective gear :-)


  21. RIX
    21 | December 28, 2012 1:03 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I do think that Muslim pressure groups learned from the Gay Lobby.
    But I also think that they were schooled by Jackson & Sharpton.
    Yell loud & continuously.


  22. waldensianspirit
    22 | December 28, 2012 1:04 pm

    @ RIX:
    W. banished Franklin Graham from the White House for telling the truth as W.went against truth and for what is convenient for him, his family and cronies


  23. Mars
    23 | December 28, 2012 1:05 pm

    Yes the previous admin was foolish about Islam, but there is far more to what is happening now than most people know.

    Once I get out of this funk I think I’ll finally get that thing posted that I’ve been working on. The level of pure absolute evil involved here with this admin is staggering. Bush had a lot of stupid ideas about Islam, but at root many of his ideas were based in altruistic ideals that just don’t work with medieval savages. This administration is not working with any form of altruism, in fact they are working directly with the evil itself.

    In many ways this may be payback by the won and Jarrett for favors done by the Saudis back during the won’s Harvard years.

    Would this president sell out an entire country for political power and gain?


  24. waldensianspirit
    24 | December 28, 2012 1:07 pm

    W. could not identify the commanders of the enemy or their readily seen military compounds. Killed fewer than their breeding rate


  25. 25 | December 28, 2012 1:07 pm

    @ RIX:

    Both Parties are whores of the Caliphate.


  26. RIX
    26 | December 28, 2012 1:07 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    What Obama did to Franklin Graham was a disgrace.
    He prefers clergy like Imam Wright.


  27. 27 | December 28, 2012 1:07 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    W. could not identify the commanders of the enemy or their readily seen military compounds. Killed fewer than their breeding rate

    W and the GOP loves Islam just like the Democrats.


  28. waldensianspirit
    28 | December 28, 2012 1:08 pm

    @ Mars:
    Obama definitely knows how to work the stock market


  29. citizen_q
    29 | December 28, 2012 1:09 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Would this president sell out an entire country for political power and gain?

    Has not already done so in many ways?


  30. Mars
    30 | December 28, 2012 1:10 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Would this president sell out an entire country for political power and gain?
    Has not already done so in many ways?

    Exactly


  31. RIX
    31 | December 28, 2012 1:10 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Both parties are far too deferential to Islam.


  32. 32 | December 28, 2012 1:10 pm

    @ Mars:

    but at root many of his ideas were based in altruistic ideals that just don’t work with medieval savages. This administration is not working with any form of altruism, in fact they are working directly with the evil itself.

    That is the difference between The Republicans wanting to go to war for Islam and the Democrats. Republicans really believe the Progressive concept that everyone wants Democracy and if we are nice to the Muzz they will like us. Even if it means Backstabbing Christians (Serbs, Chaldean Christians, Copts, Maronites).

    Democrats want an Islamic Empire because they view them as allies in destroying Western Civilization.


  33. 33 | December 28, 2012 1:13 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Both parties are far too deferential to Islam.

    Yup, but for different reasons. Republicans really believe in the Democracy human freedom stuff. Democrats because they hate the West.

    An irony of politics is that the GOP has adopted a Hippie let’s all love each other attitude and the Democrats have a realistic although evil view of the world.


  34. Mars
    34 | December 28, 2012 1:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    but at root many of his ideas were based in altruistic ideals that just don’t work with medieval savages. This administration is not working with any form of altruism, in fact they are working directly with the evil itself.
    That is the difference between The Republicans wanting to go to war for Islam and the Democrats. Republicans really believe the Progressive concept that everyone wants Democracy and if we are nice to the Muzz they will like us. Even if it means Backstabbing Christians (Serbs, Chaldean Christians, Copts, Maronites).
    Democrats want an Islamic Empire because they view them as allies in destroying Western Civilization.

    We don’t always agree on everything but you hit it dead on.

    And just since so many don’t seem to realize: The republicans almost as a whole opposed Kosovo and wanted us completely out of it.

    http://voices.yahoo.com/what-republicans-said-kosovo-159771.html

    (This is an article by a lib so expect it to be nasty.)


  35. 35 | December 28, 2012 1:14 pm

    RIX wrote:

    But they somehow find a Constitutional right for abortions in any circumstance.

    I only want the Second Amendment as protected as the right to abortion. So can we change the debate to that? We need to decide if the Federal Government should be subsidizing my ownership of an M-240 GPMG…


  36. Mars
    36 | December 28, 2012 1:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Both parties are far too deferential to Islam.

    Yup, but for different reasons. Republicans really believe in the Democracy human freedom stuff. Democrats because they hate the West.
    An irony of politics is that the GOP has adopted a Hippie let’s all love each other attitude and the Democrats have a realistic although evil view of the world.

    To be fair Democracy could have worked in the ME, but it would have required a lot of walls and a lot of firing squads.

    We don’t have the nerve to execute that many people. (All Imams and most muslims over the age of 15.)


  37. buzzsawmonkey
    37 | December 28, 2012 1:17 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I do think that Muslim pressure groups learned from the Gay Lobby.
    But I also think that they were schooled by Jackson & Sharpton.
    Yell loud & continuously.

    The entire “Islamophobia” concept was based on the bogus locution of “homophobia.”

    “Homophobia” is an attempt to say to political opponents, “We’re not “sick,” you are!”—to make people who disagree with your political objectives appear to be mentally ill.

    This is an outgrowth of the dismissal of homosexual-rights agitation being dismissed on the grounds that homosexual behavior was a “mental illness”—but the decree that such behavior was a “mental illness” was itself an outgrowth of the creation of political “homosexuality” in the 19th century, when the pseudoscience of psychoanalysis was in its nascent stages.

    In short, just as “antisemitism” was coined in the 19th century as a “scientific” name for Jew-hatred, since the Jew-haters needed a non-religious “racial” basis for hating Jews, the homosexually-inclined coined “homosexuality” as a separate phenomenon (the “third sex”) to create a “scientific” non-religious justification for themselves. That, in turn, opened the Pandora’s Box of “looking for scientific causes”—and because the homosexually-inclined forgot that there were more heterosexually- than homosexually-inclined people in the new pseudoscience of psychology, for sixty or seventy years the psychology establishment regarded homosexuals as “sick,” until the community acquired enough political leverage to get the establishment to vote a change. No genuine “science” anywhere in any of this, you realize—it was all political, from the beginning.

    “Homophobia” was the purely-political invented term created to lay all of this to rest and to give the gay-rights lobby a powerful linguistic weapon against its opponents. The Islamists, who are nothing if not politically savvy, adopted the locution for themselves.


  38. Mars
    38 | December 28, 2012 1:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    But they somehow find a Constitutional right for abortions in any circumstance.
    I only want the Second Amendment as protected as the right to abortion. So can we change the debate to that? We need to decide if the Federal Government should be subsidizing my ownership of an M-240 GPMG…

    It’s a sad thing when people the left try to saddle us with can’t understand facts. Rupert Murdoch has been posting a ton of stuff on twitter. On one of them he references the shooting and wonders why the US can’t be like Australia and ban all “automatic” weapons.

    I think when people are that fucking clueless they should have their computers taken away.


  39. 39 | December 28, 2012 1:18 pm

    @ Mars:

    Wow, so the GOP opposed bombing Serbia. Can I have that GOP back instead of this incarnation that wants to go to war in Syria for al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.


  40. 40 | December 28, 2012 1:20 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Where Conservatives went wrong is their obsession over gays. The best thing would have been top ignore them. Instead many hotheads with help of the media made them into martyrs.


  41. Mars
    41 | December 28, 2012 1:20 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I do think that Muslim pressure groups learned from the Gay Lobby.
    But I also think that they were schooled by Jackson & Sharpton.
    Yell loud & continuously.
    The entire “Islamophobia” concept was based on the bogus locution of “homophobia.”
    “Homophobia” is an attempt to say to political opponents, “We’re not “sick,” you are!”—to make people who disagree with your political objectives appear to be mentally ill.
    This is an outgrowth of the dismissal of homosexual-rights agitation being dismissed on the grounds that homosexual behavior was a “mental illness”—but the decree that such behavior was a “mental illness” was itself an outgrowth of the creation of political “homosexuality” in the 19th century, when the pseudoscience of psychoanalysis was in its nascent stages.
    In short, just as “antisemitism” was coined in the 19th century as a “scientific” name for Jew-hatred, since the Jew-haters needed a non-religious “racial” basis for hating Jews, the homosexually-inclined coined “homosexuality” as a separate phenomenon (the “third sex”) to create a “scientific” non-religious justification for themselves. That, in turn, opened the Pandora’s Box of “looking for scientific causes”—and because the homosexually-inclined forgot that there were more heterosexually- than homosexually-inclined people in the new pseudoscience of psychology, for sixty or seventy years the psychology establishment regarded homosexuals as “sick,” until the community acquired enough political leverage to get the establishment to vote a change. No genuine “science” anywhere in any of this, you realize—it was all political, from the beginning.
    “Homophobia” was the purely-political invented term created to lay all of this to rest and to give the gay-rights lobby a powerful linguistic weapon against its opponents. The Islamists, who are nothing if not politically savvy, adopted the locution for themselves.

    It goes much further than that. Over the last year I have pointed out several articles in psych journals that are attempting to get all forms of conservative thought labeled as deviant and a form of mental illness.

    Psychology is the plaything of the hard left masquerading as hard science.


  42. 42 | December 28, 2012 1:21 pm

    @ Mars:

    De-Islamization was the answer. But like you said, we didn’t have the balls.


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    43 | December 28, 2012 1:23 pm

    Mars wrote:

    It goes much further than that. Over the last year I have pointed out several articles in psych journals that are attempting to get all forms of conservative thought labeled as deviant and a form of mental illness.

    Psychology is the plaything of the hard left masquerading as hard science.

    There are two elements to the “mental health” industry. One extremely tiny portion of it is involved in treating such things as measurable chemical imbalances in the brain to address things like schizophrenia.

    The rest of it is pseudoscientific blather which has no basis in anything other than the mental fads of the moment. And it is utterly pernicious.


  44. Mars
    44 | December 28, 2012 1:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Wow, so the GOP opposed bombing Serbia. Can I have that GOP back instead of this incarnation that wants to go to war in Syria for al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

    The main problem is that we have far too many elites running the show. The average GOP doesn’t even understand what’s going on. And all of them from the elites on down get their news from the MSM.

    Once again it’s a matter of dissemination of information.

    The leadership are the elites, they only care about what will keep them in power.

    The lower echelons are largely cowed by the elites and punished for pushing conservative principles.

    Meanwhile the hard left is the puppet master of the whole show. They make the press dance on their strings which in turn tells the elites what to think, which makes them punish the lower ranks for deviating from the script.


  45. buzzsawmonkey
    45 | December 28, 2012 1:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Where Conservatives went wrong is their obsession over gays. The best thing would have been top ignore them. Instead many hotheads with help of the media made them into martyrs.

    How do they “make them martyrs?” And how do you “ignore” a loud, vocal pressure group?

    “Conservatives,” however you define them, are not “obsessed” by the homosexually-inclined. But when the gay-lobby starts pushing for socially-destructive political advantage, that must be addressed.


  46. RIX
    46 | December 28, 2012 1:24 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Libs & Islamists do find common ground in their mutual disdain for
    the West.
    Libs always see anything Western as somehow illegitimate.


  47. buzzsawmonkey
    47 | December 28, 2012 1:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Libs always see anything Western as somehow illegitimate.

    Except Western children born out of wedlock.


  48. 48 | December 28, 2012 1:26 pm

    @ Mars:

    Over the last year I have pointed out several articles in psych journals that are attempting to get all forms of conservative thought labeled as deviant and a form of mental illness.

    That was a tactic the Soviets used to silence critics. They would label their opponents as mentally ill and lock them up.


  49. Mars
    49 | December 28, 2012 1:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Where Conservatives went wrong is their obsession over gays. The best thing would have been top ignore them. Instead many hotheads with help of the media made them into martyrs.

    It’s hard to ignore them when every “coming out of the closet” dominates the airwaves for months. Or every show, comic book, or what have you that introduces a gay character is celebrated every freaking day.

    Almost all conservatives I know couldn’t give a damn what the gays do if they would just leave us the hell alone and not celebrate every sexual behavior as a great achievement.

    The way comic books are going right now, I expect that in the next two years every character in the books will be gay and muslim the way it’s going right now.


  50. RIX
    50 | December 28, 2012 1:28 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Islamophobia is apparently noticing that the towers were knocked
    down with 3,000 people slaughtered & muslims celebrated.
    Hateful to notice.


  51. Mars
    51 | December 28, 2012 1:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Over the last year I have pointed out several articles in psych journals that are attempting to get all forms of conservative thought labeled as deviant and a form of mental illness.
    That was a tactic the Soviets used to silence critics. They would label their opponents as mentally ill and lock them up.

    The hard left reuses the same tactics over and over again and then claims they are different.


  52. 52 | December 28, 2012 1:28 pm

    @ Mars:

    You know we are the only Conservative blog that opposes intervention in Syria? All the major blogs like Hot Air, Daily Caller and Ace are advocating War for al-Qaeda in Syria. We were the only Conservative blog that opposed intervention in Syria and was against the Arab Spring.

    Something I am very proud of!


  53. RIX
    53 | December 28, 2012 1:28 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    True


  54. Mars
    54 | December 28, 2012 1:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Where Conservatives went wrong is their obsession over gays. The best thing would have been top ignore them. Instead many hotheads with help of the media made them into martyrs.
    How do they “make them martyrs?” And how do you “ignore” a loud, vocal pressure group?
    “Conservatives,” however you define them, are not “obsessed” by the homosexually-inclined. But when the gay-lobby starts pushing for socially-destructive political advantage, that must be addressed.

    I actually agree with an article I saw by a lib the other day.

    Let’s have every gay in entertainment come out of the closet on one day. That way we can get it all over with and move on with our lives.


  55. buzzsawmonkey
    55 | December 28, 2012 1:31 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Almost all conservatives I know couldn’t give a damn what the gays do if they would just leave us the hell alone and not celebrate every sexual behavior as a great achievement.

    Just as the Civil Rights Movement was won with the passage of the Voting Rights Act, but continued on autopilot as a “human rights” gimme movement seeking special privileges, the “gay-rights” movement was won when the Supreme Court voided sodomy laws—but continues as a “human rights” movement seeking special privileges.

    The current push for same-sex marriage is a move to destroy the First Amendment protections for free speech and free exercise of religion. It is one Supreme Court decision away from accomplishing that mission, with the added bonus of destroying the federalism protected by the Tenth Amendment—and if Elena Kagen writes the decision on that case this Spring, the deed is done.


  56. citizen_q
    56 | December 28, 2012 1:32 pm

    @ RIX:
    I wonder if that is mostly just a front for their grabbing wealth and power. They do seem to love all the trappings of western opulence and privilege for themselves. Revolutionaries who oppress, rule, and get fabulously wealthy by subversion an manipulation.


  57. 57 | December 28, 2012 1:32 pm

    @ Mars:

    Almost all conservatives I know couldn’t give a damn what the gays do if they would just leave us the hell alone and not celebrate every sexual behavior as a great achievement.

    That’s not the impression people have. The media takes a loudmouth like Bachmann or Santorum and uses it to smear everyone. So the default thought of most people is that the Republicans are obsessed with Gays. That is why I wonder if many of these Conservatives are really false flag operatives.


  58. 58 | December 28, 2012 1:34 pm

    @ Mars:

    Let’s have every gay in entertainment come out of the closet on one day. That way we can get it all over with and move on with our lives.

    The numbers might be less than thought. I sometimes think some of these people fake being Gay top appear being cool.


  59. Mars
    59 | December 28, 2012 1:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey
    55 | December 28, 2012 1:31 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Almost all conservatives I know couldn’t give a damn what the gays do if they would just leave us the hell alone and not celebrate every sexual behavior as a great achievement.

    Just as the Civil Rights Movement was won with the passage of the Voting Rights Act, but continued on autopilot as a “human rights” gimme movement seeking special privileges, the “gay-rights” movement was won when the Supreme Court voided sodomy laws—but continues as a “human rights” movement seeking special privileges.

    The current push for same-sex marriage is a move to destroy the First Amendment protections for free speech and free exercise of religion. It is one Supreme Court decision away from accomplishing that mission, with the added bonus of destroying the federalism protected by the Tenth Amendment—and if Elena Kagen writes the decision on that case this Spring, the deed is done.
    reply | quo

    Yep.

    It’s amazing how many people can’t see this is all about getting the federal government into the churches. You have the gay marriage attack and then on the other side of the coin you have the birth control insurance issue.

    This is a perfectly planned attack.


  60. huckfunn
    60 | December 28, 2012 1:38 pm

    Not all of the electorate is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
    Polls: NRA has higher favorable rating than Obama

    A new Gallup poll shows that the National Rifle Association, the target of a wave of intensely negative news coverage after the Newtown, Connecticut school shootings, still has a favorable rating of 54 percent. While down from the organization’s 60 percent favorable rating in 2005, that is still about a point higher than President Obama’s personal favorable rating.


  61. Mars
    61 | December 28, 2012 1:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Let’s have every gay in entertainment come out of the closet on one day. That way we can get it all over with and move on with our lives.
    The numbers might be less than thought. I sometimes think some of these people fake being Gay top appear being cool.

    That’s what’s happening in the High Schools right now. It’s “cool” to be gay, so many of the kids, (mostly girls) go gay. Then when they get out and go to college they declare they are “bi-sexual” and then when they get out they are suddenly “straight”.


  62. buzzsawmonkey
    62 | December 28, 2012 1:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    That’s not the impression people have. The media takes a loudmouth like Bachmann or Santorum and uses it to smear everyone. So the default thought of most people is that the Republicans are obsessed with Gays. That is why I wonder if many of these Conservatives are really false flag operatives.

    I don’t care for Bachmann or Santorum either, but I do not know what you are referring to. Bachmann’s husband supposedly was involved in “therapies” for changing homosexual orientation, which is considered to be some sort of terrible crime nowadays—though it was standard operating procedure for people in the psychological/psychiatric professions for most of the 20th century. Moreover, it is perfectly appropriate to point out that people do change their behavior—I knew a guy who was the head of a section of the department store I worked in during college who had been a homosexual kept boy in his youth, who was married with several children. I know a musician who broke up with his male lover of 20-some years to marry a woman with whom he is raising an adopted child.


  63. buzzsawmonkey
    63 | December 28, 2012 1:42 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Yep.

    It’s amazing how many people can’t see this is all about getting the federal government into the churches. You have the gay marriage attack and then on the other side of the coin you have the birth control insurance issue.

    This is a perfectly planned attack.

    The gay-rights movement was founded with the destruction of marriage as one of its objectives. That founding principle has never been addressed—nor has anyone investigated why/how “marriage” went from “must-destroy” to “must-have.”

    California had a totally comprehensive domestic partnership law, and the gay lobby still pressed for “marriage”—because that would give the movement an entree into attacking churches that did not go along with same-sex marriage on equal-protection grounds. That is the sole reason for the “marriage” push; it is a Cloward-Piven attack on religion.


  64. 64 | December 28, 2012 1:42 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    That is the one issue the GOP is good on. Notice the Dems are backing away now from Gun Control? Guns are something people can relate to.


  65. buzzsawmonkey
    65 | December 28, 2012 1:44 pm

    Mars wrote:

    That’s what’s happening in the High Schools right now. It’s “cool” to be gay, so many of the kids, (mostly girls) go gay. Then when they get out and go to college they declare they are “bi-sexual” and then when they get out they are suddenly “straight”.

    That’s what you call “recruitment.” The idea is to socialize as many kids as possible, during their maximum-confusion years, into thinking they are “gay”—and to get their classmates into thinking so, to, to confirm them in their belief. After a couple of years, they have a reputation and their entire social interaction is built around their “gay identity”—and if they have second thoughts, it means abandoning their entire social structure, which is very hard to do.


  66. 66 | December 28, 2012 1:44 pm

    @ Mars:

    Yup. I know a Miami DJ who pretends to be gay because it gets him good gigs. He is NOT gay at all, but his marketing scheme work.


  67. 67 | December 28, 2012 1:46 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    But that is not the argument Conservative used. Many go into gay bashing and claim Gays evil. They don’t explain how it’s an attack on religion. They also did not back Civil Unions when the had a chance. Instead they demonized the issue and made Gays into heroes.


  68. 68 | December 28, 2012 1:48 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Bachmann’s husband supposedly was involved in “therapies” for changing homosexual orientation,

    Have you seen Bachmann’s husband? He looks like he bats for the other team.


  69. buzzsawmonkey
    69 | December 28, 2012 1:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    But that is not the argument Conservative used. Many go into gay bashing and claim Gays evil. They don’t explain how it’s an attack on religion. They also did not back Civil Unions when the had a chance. Instead they demonized the issue and made Gays into heroes.

    I am not responsible for what other people do. I am explaining the issue as clearly as I can, and people can listen if they care to.

    I used to support “gay marriage”—until I fully comprehended the perniciousness of “human rights” and that “human rights” are totally antithetical to the Constitutional plan of liberty protected by civil rights. From that time, while I support legal protections for same-sex civil unions, I have wholly opposed recognition of “same-sex marriage.”


  70. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | December 28, 2012 1:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Have you seen Bachmann’s husband? He looks like he bats for the other team.

    Frankly, stereotyping of this sort does “conservatism” no favors.

    Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that Bachmann’s husband has taken a few walks on the wild side, and subsequently moderated his behavior. Who better to know that modification of one’s behavior is in fact possible? And why should his appearance matter?


  71. 71 | December 28, 2012 1:53 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    You are explaining the issue correctly. But the GOP/Conservatives did not. They should have made clear the real anti-Religious agenda. Then offer up a support of Civil Unions/Domestic Partnerships.

    Too often Republicans never explain what they are for, just what they oppose.


  72. 72 | December 28, 2012 1:55 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    How do you know he’s not running that clinic for hookups? My point is that the Right needs better spokespeople than Bachmann.


  73. Mars
    73 | December 28, 2012 1:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    You are explaining the issue correctly. But the GOP/Conservatives did not. They should have made clear the real anti-Religious agenda. Then offer up a support of Civil Unions/Domestic Partnerships.
    Too often Republicans never explain what they are for, just what they oppose.

    Actually most of the time the Republicans do explain things correctly with all the facts and information to back it up.

    The press then reports that they are evil hate mongers.

    They single out the one republican who speaks up like an idiot without facts and only his opinion.

    How many times has the press done this with a Democrat. NEVER.

    Yet, the dems have spoken up and revealed how evil they truly are over and over, but it never gets an airing on the press.

    But, let one republican express his moral opinion and he’s a nazi.

    Somehow you only ever see the press narrative. But, that makes you like much of the country in this aspect.

    That’s what has to change.


  74. AZfederalist
    74 | December 28, 2012 1:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:

    to some extent yes, but the previous admin. hit back and rather hard at that.

    I agree as far as hitting back and better than the appeasers we have now. But they stil were very much into not offending the religion of pieces and were all too eager to allow Iraq and Afghanistan to install Muslim governments instead of secular inclusive governments. That is a problem they could have prevented.


  75. darkwords
    75 | December 28, 2012 2:03 pm

    @ 2 Speranza: Should he be in jail for being a flake and a coward though? By that standard Matt Damon should be in there with him.


  76. 76 | December 28, 2012 2:03 pm

    @ Mars:

    Actually most of the time the Republicans do explain things correctly with all the facts and information to back it up.

    I never once during the Gay Marriage debate ever saw a Prominent Republican on TV ever make the the argument Buzzsaw has made.

    They single out the one republican who speaks up like an idiot without facts and only his opinion.

    Yes, the media does create a narrative, but too often many Conservatives are willing to feed the narrative. That is why I am starting to think there are false flag operatives.


  77. darkwords
    77 | December 28, 2012 2:05 pm

    @ 17 RIX: That is that whole federated institutional way of thinking. MAssaged by assistants, advisors, and PR people. Mitt Romney, Chris Christie would do the same. A newt gingrich or a Donald Trump or a John Bolton would pressure the enemy more.


  78. Mars
    78 | December 28, 2012 2:06 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    AZfederalist wrote:
    to some extent yes, but the previous admin. hit back and rather hard at that.

    I agree as far as hitting back and better than the appeasers we have now. But they stil were very much into not offending the religion of pieces and were all too eager to allow Iraq and Afghanistan to install Muslim governments instead of secular inclusive governments. That is a problem they could have prevented.

    Even though it is not democracy, we should have forced both governments into an equal representation by all the different communities in the countries. (Except of course for those that continued to provide aid and comfort to our enemies. Our second big mistake.)

    We also should have written the laws and constitution to exclude sharia.


  79. darkwords
    79 | December 28, 2012 2:07 pm

    @ 25 Rodan: 2 -party evil money cult….?


  80. darkwords
    80 | December 28, 2012 2:08 pm

    @ 38 Mars: That shooting was a mental health issue and not a gun issue. Basically.


  81. darkwords
    81 | December 28, 2012 2:09 pm

    @ 41 Mars: It will be ok to be part of a gay marriage, but deviant to marry a co religionist and follow a scripture.


  82. RIX
    82 | December 28, 2012 2:09 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 17 RIX: That is that whole federated institutional way of thinking. MAssaged by assistants, advisors, and PR people. Mitt Romney, Chris Christie would do the same. A newt gingrich or a Donald Trump or a John Bolton would pressure the enemy more.

    We have a President that speaks with Arab pronunciation
    and calls the Muslim call to prayer the most beautiful
    sound that he has ever heard.
    We must have been attacked by Methodists./


  83. Mars
    83 | December 28, 2012 2:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Actually most of the time the Republicans do explain things correctly with all the facts and information to back it up.
    I never once during the Gay Marriage debate ever saw a Prominent Republican on TV ever make the the argument Buzzsaw has made.
    They single out the one republican who speaks up like an idiot without facts and only his opinion.
    Yes, the media does create a narrative, but too often many Conservatives are willing to feed the narrative. That is why I am starting to think there are false flag operatives.

    You believe the press would allow any republican to make the argument? Then you are gullible. There is no way a reasoned argument would be allowed to air.

    They aren’t even letting reasoned arguments on the fiscal cliff, gun control, or any other issue.

    (We are winning the gun debate because we are properly utilizing other outlets and the general consensus is already on our side.)

    The reasoned arguments are stressed all the time, but you have to go to the internet or AM radio to find them. The press will never allow them.

    Republicans have facts, liberals have feelings. Guess which gets the air time?


  84. Mars
    84 | December 28, 2012 2:11 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 38 Mars: That shooting was a mental health issue and not a gun issue. Basically.

    Exactly.


  85. darkwords
    85 | December 28, 2012 2:11 pm

    @ 43 buzzsawmonkey: People can talk themselves into being mentally ill. Carl Jung in his bio talks about how he made himself mentally sick when he was young. And once he realized how it was harming everyone around him he kicked his own ass and got up and started working.


  86. darkwords
    86 | December 28, 2012 2:12 pm

    @ 48 Rodan: Those are teachers unions members here. Today.


  87. darkwords
    87 | December 28, 2012 2:14 pm

    @ 57 Rodan: more so useful idiots. Bachmann is ok until the thought process leaves the financial areana. Then she has a lot of poorly thought out reasons based on a weak faith. IMO.


  88. darkwords
    88 | December 28, 2012 2:16 pm

    @ 61 Mars: Even JAmes Bonds hinted at a gay orientation in Skyfall. The whole male audience in SEattle was atwitter.

    I’d say Rap Music and MMA and the Boy Scouts are where Trump and Gingrich should be placing their bets.


  89. 89 | December 28, 2012 2:16 pm

    @ Mars:

    You believe the press would allow any republican to make the argument? Then you are gullible. There is no way a reasoned argument would be allowed to air.

    That is why they love having Bachmann, Santorum or Coulter on their shows. These loons are probably false flaggers who feed the Progressive narrative.

    We are winning the gun debate because we are properly utilizing other outlets and the general consensus is already on our side.

    The Conservatives in this situation are FOR something. They are for the right to bear arms. Plus the media narrative fell apart as soon as the facts came out.

    Look no doubt the media is the enemy. But Conservatives need a media strategy.


  90. 90 | December 28, 2012 2:18 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 57 Rodan: more so useful idiots. Bachmann is ok until the thought process leaves the financial areana. Then she has a lot of poorly thought out reasons based on a weak faith. IMO.

    She’s like Ron Paul. She makes seen when it comes to fiscal issues but then goes off the rails on other issues.


  91. darkwords
    91 | December 28, 2012 2:20 pm

    @ 62 buzzsawmonkey: Male Ice Skaters and Platform divers routinely groom young men in those sports for male on male bonding with no limites. Greg Louganis.

    Sexuality like most things is probably a competitive spectrum of behaviors rewarded by progeny and wealth. To think that a person can become gay over time and not become straight over time is a perverse stacking of the deck designed to bring in stability into peoples lives.

    I don’t believe in the personified devil. But as a symbol that is the devils work there and a lot of churches roll over and accept it.


  92. 92 | December 28, 2012 2:20 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I’d say Rap Music and MMA and the Boy Scouts are where Trump and Gingrich should be placing their bets.

    Up until a few years back, Trump actually did promote Rap parties and clubs. But now he is persona non grata because he came out as a Conservative. meanwhile many Conservatives turned their back on him and attack him. Rather than embrace a popular icon joining us, many spit on him. This is why Pop Culture figures do not come out as Conservatives. The right doe not embrace them.


  93. darkwords
    93 | December 28, 2012 2:20 pm

    @ 64 Rodan: Sell guns to women. Then send them NRA memberships.


  94. darkwords
    94 | December 28, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ 83 Mars:
    A few GoP ers need to started making planned extreme statements that make the left boil and make people think.


  95. Mars
    95 | December 28, 2012 2:24 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 57 Rodan: more so useful idiots. Bachmann is ok until the thought process leaves the financial areana. Then she has a lot of poorly thought out reasons based on a weak faith. IMO.

    She’s also right on the muslim brotherhood infiltration of the government.


  96. darkwords
    96 | December 28, 2012 2:25 pm

    @ 92 Rodan: Trump could buy an MMA association. And then party up patriotism in Vegas with the Rappers. Kids will see it.


  97. 97 | December 28, 2012 2:25 pm

    @ Mars:

    She’s also right on the muslim brotherhood infiltration of the government.

    She was spot on about that.


  98. darkwords
    98 | December 28, 2012 2:27 pm

    @ 95 Mars: Yes, that is an interesting line of thinking. How much money and social justice support is there in the US for supporting anti american terror abroad. And building a growth structure in the US.


  99. darkwords
    99 | December 28, 2012 2:27 pm

    Instapundit.com ‏@instapundit
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  100. AZfederalist
    100 | December 28, 2012 2:28 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Would this president sell out an entire country for political power and gain?

    Rhetorical question, right?

    I.e., in a heartbeat.


  101. Mars
    101 | December 28, 2012 2:30 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 95 Mars: Yes, that is an interesting line of thinking. How much money and social justice support is there in the US for supporting anti american terror abroad. And building a growth structure in the US.

    I’ve got a booklet right here. All I have to do is get out of this funk I’m in and put it into my own words. I think even people here are going to be blown away by the amount of infiltration in this administration.

    The previous administration was stupid but meant well. This administration has welcomed evil with open arms.


  102. 102 | December 28, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ Mars:

    The previous administration was stupid but meant well. This administration has welcomed evil with open arms.

    That nails it right there. On foreign policy Republicans have become like how Democrats used to be. They think we are all one happy human family that wants freedom.

    Democrats are evil realists and are helping the enemy of our civilization.


  103. Da_Beerfreak
    103 | December 28, 2012 2:38 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Liberals are a like Slinkies. It’s fun to push them down stairs… :twisted:


  104. darkwords
    104 | December 28, 2012 2:38 pm

    Golf 18 hours -- michelle 4 hours.


  105. waldensianspirit
    105 | December 28, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I disagree. Wilfully dodging away from truth is something more than stupidity. I think W. has always kicked against Christian influence in his life all the way from his formative years and it showed in his governance


  106. waldensianspirit
    106 | December 28, 2012 2:41 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Golf 18 hours — michelle 4 hours.

    Wow! Macho stamina!


  107. waldensianspirit
    107 | December 28, 2012 2:41 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Liberals are a like Slinkies. It’s fun to push them down stairs…

    So proportional!


  108. 108 | December 28, 2012 2:42 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Ace is not conservative. They hate Serbs. I do not visit or link there.


  109. 109 | December 28, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    I think W. has always kicked against Christian influence in his life all the way from his formative years and it showed in his governance

    That’s very interesting view. Bush always presented himself as some hardcore Christian and used it in his politics. Are you saying it was a fraudulent act?


  110. waldensianspirit
    110 | December 28, 2012 2:43 pm

    Is there a credible source that Neil Bush is a Moonie?


  111. 111 | December 28, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Yup.


  112. Mars
    112 | December 28, 2012 2:45 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I disagree. Wilfully dodging away from truth is something more than stupidity. I think W. has always kicked against Christian influence in his life all the way from his formative years and it showed in his governance

    That’s possible but I think it’s more likely that he gave in to the PC wing of the elites and wanted to be liked by everyone. He especially wanted the media to love him. I’ve read that he was crushed by how much hate the media dumped on him constantly.


  113. waldensianspirit
    113 | December 28, 2012 2:46 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Maybe not so much fraudulent as lost his way growing up and it never was for him. Christianity isn’t for everybody but it was around him as default


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    114 | December 28, 2012 2:46 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Sexuality like most things is probably a competitive spectrum of behaviors rewarded by progeny and wealth. To think that a person can become gay over time and not become straight over time is a perverse stacking of the deck designed to bring in stability into peoples lives.

    There are many reasons for a disaffected teenager to “become gay.” An alienated teen—and what teen is not “alienated?”—finds a sympathetic ear for all his angst and confusion. The person lending the sympathetic ear is willing to put up with Teen Blather to get a nice clean new youngster, and the youngster is willing to engage in whatever because he’s being listened to and…hey, he’s getting sex, and teens like sex (who doesn’t?). And after that goes sour, there’s somebody else more than willing to take the first Sympathetic Ear’s place. And, before you know it, you’ve got someone who’s been socialized—groomed, as they say—into a lifestyle and a social circle of support. Hard to give that up, even if you have second thoughts—because if you do, you’re Alone, and you have to try and make it into non-gay society from scratch, and two or three or five years behind everybody else, in a world where merely being young and available is not a guaranteed entree.


  115. waldensianspirit
    115 | December 28, 2012 2:47 pm

    For many it is a finite life and then oblivion


  116. Mars
    116 | December 28, 2012 2:47 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Is there a credible source that Neil Bush is a Moonie?

    Dem underground and the Moonies own blogspot page.
    Other than that its a bunch of paranormal and conspiracy sites.


  117. buzzsawmonkey
    117 | December 28, 2012 2:48 pm

    Mars wrote:

    (We are winning the gun debate because we are properly utilizing other outlets and the general consensus is already on our side.)

    Maybe the gay-rights issues should be renamed “Buns Control.”


  118. 118 | December 28, 2012 2:49 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Ace is not conservative. They hate Serbs. I do not visit or link there.

    Ace and Hot Air are just pro-Islamic anti Slavic Christian propaganda. They both want war in Syria. I do not go to those blogs often. Only occasionally to find a good link.


  119. 119 | December 28, 2012 2:50 pm

    @ Mars:

    He especially wanted the media to love him. I’ve read that he was crushed by how much hate the media dumped on him constantly.

    That’s why he never fought back.Bush was a Progressive in his heart and wanted acceptance from the Left.


  120. waldensianspirit
    120 | December 28, 2012 2:51 pm

    @ Mars:
    Yea wondered because as I google his name and moonies keep popping up


  121. Mars
    121 | December 28, 2012 2:52 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    Sexuality like most things is probably a competitive spectrum of behaviors rewarded by progeny and wealth. To think that a person can become gay over time and not become straight over time is a perverse stacking of the deck designed to bring in stability into peoples lives.
    There are many reasons for a disaffected teenager to “become gay.” An alienated teen—and what teen is not “alienated?”—finds a sympathetic ear for all his angst and confusion. The person lending the sympathetic ear is willing to put up with Teen Blather to get a nice clean new youngster, and the youngster is willing to engage in whatever because he’s being listened to and…hey, he’s getting sex, and teens like sex (who doesn’t?). And after that goes sour, there’s somebody else more than willing to take the first Sympathetic Ear’s place. And, before you know it, you’ve got someone who’s been socialized—groomed, as they say—into a lifestyle and a social circle of support. Hard to give that up, even if you have second thoughts—because if you do, you’re Alone, and you have to try and make it into non-gay society from scratch, and two or three or five years behind everybody else, in a world where merely being young and available is not a guaranteed entree.

    It’s not a new phenomena either. It unfortunately makes them prey for the worst kinds of predators.

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/history/haarman/index_1.html


  122. 122 | December 28, 2012 2:53 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Here’s Bush shaking hands with an Islamic terrorists. Yet many Conservatives view him as some anti-terror hero. I am proud to say, I never fell for his BS.


  123. Mars
    123 | December 28, 2012 2:54 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    (We are winning the gun debate because we are properly utilizing other outlets and the general consensus is already on our side.)
    Maybe the gay-rights issues should be renamed “Buns Control.”

    Heh. Plus it would help put a puncture in the PC balloon.

    One thing that must be done, is that the PC thing has to be crushed. All it is is control of the language.

    If you notice minority liberals are not held to the PC rules like we are.

    PC must be destroyed forever.


  124. Mars
    124 | December 28, 2012 2:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    He especially wanted the media to love him. I’ve read that he was crushed by how much hate the media dumped on him constantly.
    That’s why he never fought back.Bush was a Progressive in his heart and wanted acceptance from the Left.

    As does McCain, Boehner, Graham, et al.

    We cannot keep allowing leaders who genuflect at the altar of the media get elected.


  125. 125 | December 28, 2012 2:59 pm

    @ Mars:

    That is why I liked Trump and Gingrich/. They got nasty with the media and put them in their place.


  126. 126 | December 28, 2012 2:59 pm

    @ Mars:

    If you notice minority liberals are not held to the PC rules like we are.

    Neither are White Progressives.


  127. 127 | December 28, 2012 3:01 pm

    New Thread.


  128. Mars
    128 | December 28, 2012 3:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    If you notice minority liberals are not held to the PC rules like we are.
    Neither are White Progressives.

    Only occasionally will it rear it’s head. By no means do I consider Don Imus a conservative, but it bit him in the ass. What’s his name from Seinfeld wasn’t conservative either but the PC police destroyed him.

    So there is some enforcement on liberal whites, but not consistently.


  129. waldensianspirit
    129 | December 28, 2012 3:03 pm

    Obama Issues Executive Order Giving Pay Raise To Biden, Members Of Congress…

    Reminding ‘em who pays ‘em and gives them perks


  130. 130 | December 28, 2012 3:03 pm

    OT, but I just wanted to pass on this site, there’s quite a wealth of useful Data. I happened upon it googling the US birth rates (plummeting).

    Mark Steyn was/is so right -- our demographics look worse than our economics and, in many ways, are actually driving our economics.


  131. 131 | December 28, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ Mars:

    Not if the target is a Minority Conservative. Bill Maher and Donny Deutch called Rubio a Coconut and suffered no consequences.


  132. 132 | December 28, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Hey check out the new thread!


  133. buzzsawmonkey
    133 | December 28, 2012 3:07 pm

    Mars wrote:

    It’s not a new phenomena either. It unfortunately makes them prey for the worst kinds of predators.

    Well, Haarmann (whose case is discussed in the very interesting book “Murder for Profit,” an early volume on serial killers), as I understand it, tended to approach young men who were at least nominally into the homosexual subculture which flourished in Germany in the post-WWI period.

    BTW, the post-WWI period in Germany was the first flowering of a communist-led gay-rights movement. The US got its first communist-led gay-rights movement after WWII.


  134. Lily
    134 | December 28, 2012 3:10 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Re: This is not something that can all be blamed on the Obama administration as his predecessor was the first to describe Islam as a “religion of peace”.
    That is kinda like saying we can’t blame the deficit on 0 because his predecessor ran a deficit… OK I won’t blame it all on him, just 92.4%

    Indeed. Obama is so deep in with the enemy he even has the Muslim Brotherhood to the White House. It is really disgusting.


  135. Lily
    135 | December 28, 2012 3:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    This is not something that can all be blamed on the Obama administration as his predecessor was the first to describe Islam as a “religion of peace”.
    Oh oh, you have insulted the blessed Saint. You must burn now you heretic!
    ////

    Oh for heavens sake..Bush isn’t president any longer and no one is saying Bush was perfect but to continue to bash him just seems redundant. Just my humble opinion.


  136. Mars
    136 | December 28, 2012 3:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Not if the target is a Minority Conservative. Bill Maher and Donny Deutch called Rubio a Coconut and suffered no consequences.

    Also very true.


  137. waldensianspirit
    137 | December 28, 2012 3:17 pm

    @ Lily:
    W. continues to be silent [*some weird idea about being a classy ex-President*] while Clinton runs his mouth all the time and helps write gun grabber policy.

    W. needs to rectify his mistakes since he has the time and the country is in peril


  138. Mars
    138 | December 28, 2012 3:17 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    It’s not a new phenomena either. It unfortunately makes them prey for the worst kinds of predators.
    Well, Haarmann (whose case is discussed in the very interesting book “Murder for Profit,” an early volume on serial killers), as I understand it, tended to approach young men who were at least nominally into the homosexual subculture which flourished in Germany in the post-WWI period.
    BTW, the post-WWI period in Germany was the first flowering of a communist-led gay-rights movement. The US got its first communist-led gay-rights movement after WWII.

    Yep, he went after confused kids that weren’t 100% certain of what they were. Then used them, killed them, sold their clothes and sold their meat to local shops.


  139. buzzsawmonkey
    139 | December 28, 2012 3:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Bill Maher and Donny Deutch called Rubio a Coconut and suffered no consequences.

    I thought that coconuts were the new In Thing. All the bodegas my way are selling coconut water.


  140. Mars
    140 | December 28, 2012 3:17 pm

    His favorite targets were runaways at train stations.


  141. waldensianspirit
    141 | December 28, 2012 3:19 pm

    And W. has David Frum out there as an asinine spokeshole and he needs to shut him down


  142. Lily
    142 | December 28, 2012 3:21 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Lily:
    W. continues to be silent [*some weird idea about being a classy ex-President*] while Clinton runs his mouth all the time and helps write gun grabber policy.
    W. needs to rectify his mistakes since he has the time and the country is in peril

    Not disagreeing with you here. But Bush isn’t president anymore. Bashing him just seems pointless. That’s all. I know he was not a perfect president ….not in the least. I just think that saying something bad about Bush then someone else saying Oh-oh now your in for it seems well pointless.
    Plus maybe I’m not really ready to be posting yet. I sense my cranky level hasn’t lifted all the way yet.


  143. waldensianspirit
    143 | December 28, 2012 3:24 pm

    @ Lily:
    His political machine is still active and making a mess. They be GOP elites so to get to them we need to punch at W.


  144. waldensianspirit
    144 | December 28, 2012 3:28 pm

    interesting gun threads at wz:

    Utah: 200 Teachers Turn Up For Free Gun Training Following Newtown School Shooting…

    Fun Fact Of The Day: NRA Has Higher Favorable Rating Than Obama…

    Anti-Gun Dem Sen. Chuck Schumer To Bushmaster Gunmaker In 2011: “Knock On My Door” If Regulations Become Too Burdensome…

    Jesse Jackson Attempts To Defend Chicago’s Gun Ban After 500th Homicide Of The Year… Fails Miserably…


  145. Lily
    145 | December 28, 2012 3:32 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Lily:
    His political machine is still active and making a mess. They be GOP elites so to get to them we need to punch at W.

    Not sure why this hasn’t shut down yet…he isn’t president anymore so the machine should be shut down. Sometimes politic’s is too much at times. Why can’t these ex-presidents retire and leave the country alone is beyond me.


  146. Mars
    146 | December 28, 2012 3:37 pm

    Lily wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    @ Lily:
    His political machine is still active and making a mess. They be GOP elites so to get to them we need to punch at W.
    Not sure why this hasn’t shut down yet…he isn’t president anymore so the machine should be shut down. Sometimes politic’s is too much at times. Why can’t these ex-presidents retire and leave the country alone is beyond me.

    Until Rove is shown the door he will be part of this mess. And there’s more than him.

    It’s not nearly as bad as the entrenchment of the liberals in the State Dept, but its pretty bad.


  147. 147 | December 28, 2012 3:40 pm

    @ Mars:

    Fox News is full of Bushies.


  148. Mars
    148 | December 28, 2012 3:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Fox News is full of Bushies.

    Yep, yet all libs attack me when I call Fox centrist at best.


  149. Lily
    149 | December 28, 2012 3:47 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    waldensianspirit wrote:
    @ Lily:
    His political machine is still active and making a mess. They be GOP elites so to get to them we need to punch at W.
    Not sure why this hasn’t shut down yet…he isn’t president anymore so the machine should be shut down. Sometimes politic’s is too much at times. Why can’t these ex-presidents retire and leave the country alone is beyond me.
    Until Rove is shown the door he will be part of this mess. And there’s more than him.
    It’s not nearly as bad as the entrenchment of the liberals in the State Dept, but its pretty bad.

    Well that is just sad. And I agree Rove should be shown the door.


  150. Lily
    150 | December 28, 2012 3:48 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Fox News is full of Bushies.
    Yep, yet all libs attack me when I call Fox centrist at best.

    I also agree that Fox News is centrist. Contrary to what obama and libs say…it isn’t what they claim it to be.


  151. Speranza
    151 | December 28, 2012 4:00 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Speranza

    Of course he should not be in prison at all.


  152. AZfederalist
    152 | December 28, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ Mars:

    The previous administration was stupid but meant well. This administration has welcomed evil with open arms.

    Correction, this administration is evil.


  153. darkwords
    153 | December 28, 2012 5:18 pm

    @ 108 1389AD: You want to refine and shorten your Serb arguments to 10 leading points. Points that put a prospective on the situation that NATO may have mislead the world. There are tons of conservatives who on the surface are anti serb, but are really that low info voter. ACE colors his issues with his sometimes negative life experiences. And most people that left LGF probably read a lot of anti serb propoganda.

    What is the serb conflict essentially? Communities ripped apart by medieval islam? and still on the front line. The atrocities came with the muslims and just recycle themselves. No one side can claim innocence. But there is one main transgressor on a mission.


  154. darkwords
    154 | December 28, 2012 5:30 pm

    @ 110 waldensianspirit: It reads like he and the moonies had a mutual greed interest. And wiki suggests assoication with the pope. And it is suggested the moonie association is the moonies giving Neil Bush time and money so he can influence the tax charges against the church.

    Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue

    Bush was a founding director, along with Pope Benedict XVI (then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger), of the Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue (FIIRD). The foundation promotes ecumenical understanding and publishes religious texts and was founded in 1999. Bush is no longer on the board of the foundation.[17]
    [edit]Other business engagements

    In 2002, Bush signed a consulting contract that paid $2 million dollars in stock over five years to work for Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., a firm backed by Jiang Mianheng, the son of former Chinese President Jiang Zemin, plus $10,000 for every board meeting he attends.[18]
    Bush serves as co-chairman of a company called Crest Investment. Crest pays him $60,000 a year to provide miscellaneous consulting services.[17][19]
    Bush frequently travels to the Middle East, Europe and Asia to negotiate deals and raise capital for various businesses. According to court filings from his divorce, in 2000 he was paid $1.3 million for such work. This includes $642,500 as a commission for introducing an Asian investor to the owners of an American high-tech company.[20]


  155. darkwords
    155 | December 28, 2012 5:32 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Bush has often been invited to speak to audiences overseas. Bush says he has courtesy visits with world leaders but has no plans to wade into foreign policy. “Oftentimes because of my father’s goodwill, and because of the president being who he is, people might extend an invitation, and it’s enjoyable for me,” Bush said. “Some of these folks are family friends.”[29]
    Speaking at a Saudi Arabian economic forum in January 2002, Bush referred to growing anti-American sentiment in Arab countries and said the two peoples must communicate better. He said the Arab P.R. machine is not as good as Israel’s.[30]
    The Bush-era White House appeared unfazed by his world travel. “The president knows his brother will always do the right thing,” press secretary Ari Fleischer said.”[29]
    In Asia, Bush accompanied Sun Myung Moon, the founder of the Unification Church, on his world peace tour.[31] In 2009 Bush congratulated Moon on the publication of his autobiography at a Unification Church sponsored event. He was quoted as saying: “Rev. Moon is presenting a very simple concept. We are all children of God.” [32]


  156. 156 | December 28, 2012 5:59 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Fox News is full of Bushies.

    Yep, yet all libs attack me when I call Fox centrist at best.

    GWB is a member of CFR -- and so is Roger Ailes.

    Let me be the first to tell them where to go and what to do when they get there.

    Eternal damnation is far too good for the whole lot of them.

    And that’s that.


  157. Guggi
    157 | December 28, 2012 6:30 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    Sexuality like most things is probably a competitive spectrum of behaviors rewarded by progeny and wealth. To think that a person can become gay over time and not become straight over time is a perverse stacking of the deck designed to bring in stability into peoples lives.
    There are many reasons for a disaffected teenager to “become gay.” An alienated teen—and what teen is not “alienated?”—finds a sympathetic ear for all his angst and confusion. The person lending the sympathetic ear is willing to put up with Teen Blather to get a nice clean new youngster, and the youngster is willing to engage in whatever because he’s being listened to and…hey, he’s getting sex, and teens like sex (who doesn’t?). And after that goes sour, there’s somebody else more than willing to take the first Sympathetic Ear’s place. And, before you know it, you’ve got someone who’s been socialized—groomed, as they say—into a lifestyle and a social circle of support. Hard to give that up, even if you have second thoughts—because if you do, you’re Alone, and you have to try and make it into non-gay society from scratch, and two or three or five years behind everybody else, in a world where merely being young and available is not a guaranteed entree.

    Many boys as young as five or six years old know that they are ‘different” to other boys. Most of the gays are not seduced youngsters.


  158. darkwords
    158 | December 28, 2012 8:32 pm

    @ 157 Guggi: Sexually different before puberty? I would guess only n very rate situations. It would be just as likely the “different” feeling they are thinking is conditioned.


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