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Piers; Don’t Let the Door Hit Ya in the Bum on the Way Out…OOT

by huckfunn ( 270 Comments › )
Filed under Humor, OOT, Open thread, Politics, Second Amendment, Weapons at December 29th, 2012 - 10:00 pm

 

YAY!!! Piers Morgan today threatened to leave the U.S. because of the negative reaction he has received over his anti 2nd Amendment rantings. Good! The sooner the better. Can you make it tonight? Don’t let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out. Hasta la vista, douchebag!  Incidentally, the petition to deport this moron now has over 91,000 signatures.  Oh, by the way; Piers wants us all to know that he knows a thing or two about guns.

Well, I do know a bit about guns, actually. My brother’s a lieutenant colonel in the British Army and has served tours of duty in Northern Ireland, the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan. My sister married a colonel who trained Princes William and Harry at Sandhurst. My uncle was a major in the Green Howards.

BWHAHAHAHA, SNORT!

Read his whole whining, sniveling piece of crap here. 

Hat tip… UK Daily Mail. Image via Sipsey Street Irregulars.

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270 Responses to “Piers; Don’t Let the Door Hit Ya in the Bum on the Way Out…OOT”
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  1. 1 | December 29, 2012 10:05 pm

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  2. Calo
    2 | December 29, 2012 10:09 pm

    @ Macker:
    Just say it, he is an areshole.


  3. lobo91
    3 | December 29, 2012 10:18 pm

    Oh, by the way; Piers wants us all to know that he knows a thing or two about guns.

    And if the issue here was about guns, I might care.

    But it’s not. It’s about the difference between being a citizen and being a subject.

    That’s something he doesn’t know about.


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | December 29, 2012 10:23 pm

    Well, I do know a bit about guns, actually. My brother’s a lieutenant colonel in the British Army and has served tours of duty in Northern Ireland, the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan. My sister married a colonel who trained Princes William and Harry at Sandhurst. My uncle was a major in the Green Howards.

    so all the men in his family are warriors and he is a…?


  5. brookly red
    5 | December 29, 2012 10:24 pm

    actually he a foreign national, out of uniform, attempting to overthrow our government, and it could be said in a time of war… deportation is not usual penalty, juss sayin.


  6. brookly red
    6 | December 29, 2012 10:25 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Well, I do know a bit about guns, actually. My brother’s a lieutenant colonel in the British Army and has served tours of duty in Northern Ireland, the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan. My sister married a colonel who trained Princes William and Harry at Sandhurst. My uncle was a major in the Green Howards.

    so all the men in his family are warriors and he is a…?

    spy. ;)


  7. huckfunn
    7 | December 29, 2012 10:25 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    so all the men in his family are warriors and he is a…?

    … twit.


  8. lobo91
    8 | December 29, 2012 10:25 pm

    Having just wasted 2 minutes skimming his little screed, it’s pretty clear that he actually doesn’t know much about guns.

    WTF is a “Magnum 45 handgun”?

    Is that something Tom Selleck used on TV?


  9. rain of lead
    9 | December 29, 2012 10:25 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Well, I do know a bit about guns, actually. My brother’s a lieutenant colonel in the British Army and has served tours of duty in Northern Ireland, the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan. My sister married a colonel who trained Princes William and Harry at Sandhurst. My uncle was a major in the Green Howards.

    so all the men in his family are warriors and he is a…?

    oxygen thief?


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | December 29, 2012 10:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    so all the men in his family are warriors and he is a…?

    girlie man.


  11. CynicalConservative
    11 | December 29, 2012 10:26 pm

    Reposted from downthread, just for fun (and cringworthy photo’s). Not quite the hello kitty that PrincessNatasha was looking for

    @ Calo:
    It’s not hello kitty but… (maybe Lobo can convert it to an inline photo)

    http://www.jimsgunsupply.com/DuraCoat/dc/Duracoat_AR_hotpink_51609.jpg

    check the duracoat photos link on his site, some of what’s been done to the firearms there should be criminal…

    /galt


  12. brookly red
    12 | December 29, 2012 10:27 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Well, I do know a bit about guns, actually. My brother’s a lieutenant colonel in the British Army and has served tours of duty in Northern Ireland, the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan. My sister married a colonel who trained Princes William and Harry at Sandhurst. My uncle was a major in the Green Howards.

    so all the men in his family are warriors and he is a…?

    Northern Ireland? really?


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | December 29, 2012 10:27 pm

    @ brookly red:

    NI was a hard and dangerous assignment back when.


  14. brookly red
    14 | December 29, 2012 10:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Having just wasted 2 minutes skimming his little screed, it’s pretty clear that he actually doesn’t know much about guns.

    WTF is a “Magnum 45 handgun”?

    Is that something Tom Selleck used on TV?

    hot load in a 1911?


  15. Mars
    15 | December 29, 2012 10:29 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Having just wasted 2 minutes skimming his little screed, it’s pretty clear that he actually doesn’t know much about guns.
    WTF is a “Magnum 45 handgun”?
    Is that something Tom Selleck used on TV?

    hot load in a 1911?

    With a mustache.


  16. brookly red
    16 | December 29, 2012 10:30 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    NI was a hard and dangerous assignment back when.

    well it could explain where his views on gun control come from…


  17. coldwarrior
    17 | December 29, 2012 10:30 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    NI was a hard and dangerous assignment back when.

    well it could explain where his views on gun control come from…

    unarmed citizens are nothing more than subject.


  18. Calo
    18 | December 29, 2012 10:30 pm

    @ CynicalConservative:
    :lol: She did post some type of Hello Kitty gun she wanted at one time on a blog.

    I’m the perfect candidate for Lobo to train -- no bad habits to unlearn.


  19. brookly red
    19 | December 29, 2012 10:31 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    NI was a hard and dangerous assignment back when.

    well it could explain where his views on gun control come from…

    unarmed citizens are nothing more than subject.

    indeed. subject to what, is the question:)


  20. lobo91
    20 | December 29, 2012 10:33 pm

    @ brookly red:

    He just threw some things out there that he thought sounded important. After all, it was written for a British paper, where his fellow subjects have been disarmed and probably don’t know any better.

    Later, he talks about how an AR-15 “when modified” can fire “6 rounds per second.” Never mind that “modifying” one to fire full auto is a federal crime, and that nobody that I’ve ever heard of has used such a gun to kill anyone.

    But it sounds scary.


  21. coldwarrior
    21 | December 29, 2012 10:33 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    NI was a hard and dangerous assignment back when.
    well it could explain where his views on gun control come from…
    unarmed citizens are nothing more than subject.

    indeed. subject to what, is the question:)

    to whomever is armed.

    whomever has the monopoly on violence.


  22. rain of lead
    22 | December 29, 2012 10:33 pm

    @ Calo:
    hey miss calo,
    hows that kindle?
    momcat likes her K-fire
    the girl likes it more though


  23. Bumr50
    23 | December 29, 2012 10:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    WTF is a “Magnum 45 handgun”?

    That’s the gun that I pretended to have while I was riding my Big Wheel!


  24. lobo91
    24 | December 29, 2012 10:35 pm

    @ Calo:

    I’m the perfect candidate for Lobo to train — no bad habits to unlearn.

    You’re correct about that.

    Although if you’re interested in getting a carry permit, you’ll have to find an instructor there. Texas requires a specific program of instruction, taught by a state-authorized instructor.


  25. 25 | December 29, 2012 10:36 pm

    I am guessing that Morgan’s brother bog-washed Piers a couple times as a kid. And maybe again last weekend.


  26. brookly red
    26 | December 29, 2012 10:36 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    to whomever is armed.

    whomever has the monopoly on violence.

    growing up in da Bronx I learned all I need to know about gun control…

    I got da gun, I is in control.


  27. Calo
    27 | December 29, 2012 10:38 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Calo:
    hey miss calo,
    hows that kindle?
    momcat likes her K-fire
    the girl likes it more though

    It is so much better than reading on a frikkin phone screen.

    I’m currently finishing up a book called The Piano about a young girl caught up in the Chinese Cultural Revolution under Mao.

    Then, the Hobbit will be next up on my read list.


  28. coldwarrior
    28 | December 29, 2012 10:39 pm

    guac recipe

    the best ever

    3 avacados
    1 large spanish onion diced
    3 diced roasted peppers of your choice i prefer ancho and chipotle
    very finely chopped bacon
    3-4 oz crumbled goat cheese.
    fresh ground pepper
    a little sea salt
    a dash of tabasco.
    juice of 2 limes

    mix to the consistency you like, let sit in the fridge for 3-6 hours.


  29. Prebanned
    29 | December 29, 2012 10:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Having just wasted 2 minutes skimming his little screed, it’s pretty clear that he actually doesn’t know much about guns.
    WTF is a “Magnum 45 handgun”?
    Is that something Tom Selleck used on TV?

    460 Rowland, I would get one but I have way too much to load for as it is.
    Who am I kidding, I will probably get one for my birthday.


  30. brookly red
    30 | December 29, 2012 10:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    guac recipe

    the best ever

    3 avacados
    1 large red onion diced
    3 diced roasted peppers of your choice i prefer ancho and chipotle
    very finely chopped bacon
    3-4 oz crumbled goat cheese.
    fresh ground pepper
    a little sea salt
    a dash of tabasco.

    mix to the consistency you like, let sit in the fridge for 3-6 hours.

    hows about I leave out the bacon and add a squeeze of lime?


  31. Calo
    31 | December 29, 2012 10:41 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Filed under brisket recipes.

    Best if left ignored.


  32. The Osprey
    32 | December 29, 2012 10:42 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    so all the men in his family are warriors and he is a…?

    … twit.

    He’s a bloody wanker!


  33. Prebanned
    33 | December 29, 2012 10:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    He just threw some things out there that he thought sounded important. After all, it was written for a British paper, where his fellow subjects have been disarmed and probably don’t know any better.
    Later, he talks about how an AR-15 “when modified” can fire “6 rounds per second.” Never mind that “modifying” one to fire full auto is a federal crime, and that nobody that I’ve ever heard of has used such a gun to kill anyone.
    But it sounds scary.

    Burst is hard to keep on target across a room, I would keep it semi.


  34. rain of lead
    34 | December 29, 2012 10:43 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    yum


  35. coldwarrior
    35 | December 29, 2012 10:43 pm

    @ brookly red:

    i forgot the limes!

    added.

    yeah, the fine chopped bacon is very optional


  36. brookly red
    36 | December 29, 2012 10:43 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Filed under brisket recipes.

    Best if left ignored.

    why do you hate on avocados?


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | December 29, 2012 10:44 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Filed under brisket recipes.
    Best if left ignored.

    cool!

    more for me!


  38. brookly red
    38 | December 29, 2012 10:45 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i forgot the limes!

    i need 20 push-ups.


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | December 29, 2012 10:45 pm

    we ‘appropriated’ that guac recipe from here

    http://www.bibabeaver.com/


  40. rain of lead
    40 | December 29, 2012 10:45 pm

    @ Calo:
    they can do waaay more than what you think also
    plenty of free or cheap books that give you tips and tricks to unlock
    extra features


  41. Bumr50
    41 | December 29, 2012 10:46 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Superfood rights!

    /


  42. coldwarrior
    42 | December 29, 2012 10:46 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    i forgot the limes!
    i need 20 push-ups.

    how about a shot of tito’s and i low crawl to the garage for another pint of murphy’s?


  43. lobo91
    43 | December 29, 2012 10:48 pm

    @ Prebanned:

    Burst is hard to keep on target across a room, I would keep it semi.

    I’m still waiting for someone to explain what difference the size of the magazines Lanza used would have made when shooting a room full of 7 year olds.

    I sort of doubt that they would have rushed him while he was reloading…


  44. brookly red
    44 | December 29, 2012 10:48 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    how about a shot of tito’s and i low crawl to the garage for another pint of murphy’s?

    works for me… but remember the lime next time.


  45. coldwarrior
    45 | December 29, 2012 10:49 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    how about a shot of tito’s and i low crawl to the garage for another pint of murphy’s?
    works for me… but remember the lime next time.

    YESSIR!


  46. brookly red
    46 | December 29, 2012 10:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Prebanned:

    Burst is hard to keep on target across a room, I would keep it semi.

    I’m still waiting for someone to explain what difference the size of the magazines Lanza used would have made when shooting a room full of 7 year olds.

    I sort of doubt that they would have rushed him while he was reloading…

    again all show no go, he could have done the same with a baseball bat… but in the Bronx the kids woulda rushed him and shanked his ass too.


  47. Bumr50
    47 | December 29, 2012 10:55 pm

    Do teachers’ absences affect student learning?

    Seventy-three Western Pennsylvania public school districts paid nearly $25 million for substitute teachers to cover classes when full-time educators were not in the classroom during the last school year, according to records for 17,000 teachers reviewed by the Tribune-Review.

    Teachers in the seven-county area were out of their classrooms for an average of more than 7 percent of the school year, above the 5.3 percent national average for public school educators cited in a widely recognized study by the Washington-based Center for American Progress.

    In comparison, full-time American workers in general were absent about 3 percent of the time, statistics indicate.

    Mailing it in.

    ht -- Pittsburgh Tribune-Review


  48. brookly red
    48 | December 29, 2012 10:56 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    again all show no go, he could have done the same with a baseball bat… but in the Bronx the kids woulda rushed him and shanked his ass too.

    took his pocket money and bought pizza and some joints… sold the gun and brought the money home to Ma for rent.


  49. rain of lead
    49 | December 29, 2012 11:00 pm

    woah….

    SCATTERED SHOWER OF JOURNALISM? CNN CONFRONTS JESSE JACKSON OVER CHICAGO’S HIGH GUN VIOLENCE DESPITE DRACONIAN GUN LAWS

    During a segment on Chicago reportedly hitting the sad milestone of its 500th homicide in 2012 (there is now a discrepancy), the Rev. Jesse Jackson was asked to explain how gun violence in Chicago can be so high despite the Draconian gun laws. Additionally, the host pointed out that if such gun laws were enacted on a larger scale, couldn’t we expect a similar rise in violence in other big cities?

    Jackson squirmed, and even oddly tried to blame gun ranges for the massacre: “You know, I think about Newtown, for example, they have three or four gun ranges. Now, there are no gun ranges in Chicago. [They] have almost no unemployment. … Newtown is so different than the complexity of the urban crisis.”

    But the host didn’t back down.


  50. coldwarrior
    50 | December 29, 2012 11:01 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    when it doubt…

    BLAME WHITEY!!!!

    :lol:


  51. brookly red
    51 | December 29, 2012 11:01 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Do teachers’ absences affect student learning?

    hell yes, how else do the kid learn to milk the system? what the fuck you sayin bitch? does is my days off and I gots a contract


  52. coldwarrior
    52 | December 29, 2012 11:02 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    someone, no doubt someone who has limited math skills, will defend the teachers by saying:

    well…they ONLY work part of the year so their absence rate is higher…


  53. brookly red
    53 | December 29, 2012 11:06 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    SCATTERED SHOWER OF JOURNALISM? CNN CONFRONTS JESSE JACKSON OVER CHICAGO’S HIGH GUN VIOLENCE DESPITE DRACONIAN GUN LAWS

    the same jessy jackon that stood on the balcony with MLK? the same jessy jackson that claims to be a reverend? Jesus made it clear what the deal was with hypocrites… they too shall have their reward.


  54. lobo91
    54 | December 29, 2012 11:06 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Colorado Springs has an exceptionally high level of gun ownership. It has four times the number of concealed carry permit holders as Denver, per capita.

    There are an average of about 24 homicides here per year (about half the national average for a city this size).

    I’d love to hear him explain that.


  55. coldwarrior
    55 | December 29, 2012 11:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    There are an average of about 24 homicides here per year (about half the national average for a city this size).

    I BLAME WHITEY!


  56. lobo91
    56 | December 29, 2012 11:08 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    someone, no doubt someone who has limited math skills, will defend the teachers by saying:
    well…they ONLY work part of the year so their absence rate is higher…

    Actually, there probably is some truth to that idea.

    They probably get the same number of sick days per year as other public sector employees in the area, but their work year is considerably shorter (and you know they take every sick day they’re authorized).


  57. brookly red
    57 | December 29, 2012 11:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    someone, no doubt someone who has limited math skills, will defend the teachers by saying:
    well…they ONLY work part of the year so their absence rate is higher…

    Actually, there probably is some truth to that idea.

    They probably get the same number of sick days per year as other public sector employees in the area, but their work year is considerably shorter (and you know they take every sick day they’re authorized).

    well yes but their day is 6 hours…


  58. coldwarrior
    58 | December 29, 2012 11:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Bumr50:
    someone, no doubt someone who has limited math skills, will defend the teachers by saying:
    well…they ONLY work part of the year so their absence rate is higher…
    Actually, there probably is some truth to that idea.
    They probably get the same number of sick days per year as other public sector employees in the area, but their work year is considerably shorter (and you know they take every sick day they’re authorized).

    they should only get 3/4 of what everyone else gets.


  59. coldwarrior
    59 | December 29, 2012 11:12 pm

    @ lobo91:
    @ brookly red:

    i’ve lost a couple of friends who became teachers. they got an earful one night and never hang out with me or my bro again. it was a horrible evisceration.


  60. brookly red
    60 | December 29, 2012 11:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    There are an average of about 24 homicides here per year (about half the national average for a city this size).

    I’d love to hear him explain that.

    well it’s obvious duh, you racists have no black people to shoot at


  61. coldwarrior
    61 | December 29, 2012 11:14 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    There are an average of about 24 homicides here per year (about half the national average for a city this size).
    I’d love to hear him explain that.
    well it’s obvious duh, you racists have no black people to shoot at

    WERD!


  62. brookly red
    62 | December 29, 2012 11:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Bumr50:
    someone, no doubt someone who has limited math skills, will defend the teachers by saying:
    well…they ONLY work part of the year so their absence rate is higher…
    Actually, there probably is some truth to that idea.
    They probably get the same number of sick days per year as other public sector employees in the area, but their work year is considerably shorter (and you know they take every sick day they’re authorized).

    they should only get 3/4 of what everyone else gets.

    now, now stop with the class envy…


  63. Calo
    63 | December 29, 2012 11:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    someone, no doubt someone who has limited math skills, will defend the teachers by saying:
    well…they ONLY work part of the year so their absence rate is higher…

    Actually, there probably is some truth to that idea.

    They probably get the same number of sick days per year as other public sector employees in the area, but their work year is considerably shorter (and you know they take every sick day they’re authorized).

    Well, that is where Paid Time Off, or PTO, is preferable to sick vs vacation days.

    Unused PTO is usually able to be cashed in at years end.

    Sick and Vacation days unused are just wiped off the books.


  64. brookly red
    64 | December 29, 2012 11:16 pm

    Gwad I love NY… where else can you order a “lunch special” at 11:16 PM ?


  65. coldwarrior
    65 | December 29, 2012 11:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    There are an average of about 24 homicides here per year (about half the national average for a city this size).
    I’d love to hear him explain that.
    well it’s obvious duh, you racists have no black people to shoot at

    no no no…in chitown all da ganstahs have guns

    in colorado springs all the honkeys have guns.

    its obvious, kraka dont know how to use gunz.


  66. brookly red
    66 | December 29, 2012 11:17 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    WERD!

    what is dat an AM station?


  67. coldwarrior
    67 | December 29, 2012 11:19 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    WERD!

    what is dat an AM station?

    WERD Atlanta was the first radio station owned and operated by African-Americans.


  68. Calo
    68 | December 29, 2012 11:20 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    WERD!

    what is dat an AM station?

    Yinzer speak for WORD.

    Good Lord, I am having problems with Northern speak tonight.


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | December 29, 2012 11:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    WERD!
    what is dat an AM station?

    WERD Atlanta was the first radio station owned and operated by African-Americans.

    it went out of business.


  70. Calo
    70 | December 29, 2012 11:21 pm

    @ Calo:
    Or not.

    Damn Yinzers.


  71. coldwarrior
    71 | December 29, 2012 11:22 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Calo:
    Or not.
    Damn Yinzers.

    :lol:


  72. brookly red
    72 | December 29, 2012 11:25 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Calo:
    Or not.

    Damn Yinzers.

    Yinzers? sounds anti-Semitic to me :)


  73. brookly red
    73 | December 29, 2012 11:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    WERD!
    what is dat an AM station?

    WERD Atlanta was the first radio station owned and operated by African-Americans.

    it went out of business.

    pardon me if I didn’t buy GM stock…


  74. Mars
    74 | December 29, 2012 11:26 pm

    http://gawker.com/5971256/fox-news-refers-to-the-westboro-baptist-church-as-a-left+wing-cult

    This gawker writer needs the shit slapped out of him.

    He doesn’t even attempt to justify his reasoning, and of course the peanut gallery is in worship mode.

    Hey moron, Fred Phelps is a democrat, has always been a democrat, ran for political office a dozen times as a democrat, supported and campaigned for Al Gore. Not to mention they also protest at military funerals which the RIGHT provides security for.


  75. coldwarrior
    75 | December 29, 2012 11:29 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    @ Calo:
    Or not.
    Damn Yinzers.

    Yinzers? sounds anti-Semitic to me


    YOI!


  76. Prebanned
    76 | December 29, 2012 11:33 pm

    Jessie Jackson looks old, tired and stupid.


  77. Bumr50
    77 | December 29, 2012 11:35 pm

    @ Prebanned:

    Jr. has put him through the ringer.


  78. Bumr50
    78 | December 29, 2012 11:38 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    ringer.

    Wringer.


  79. lobo91
    79 | December 29, 2012 11:42 pm

    Grr…we really need the death penalty for idiots who program computer viruses.

    I just picked up a trojan on my brand new laptop that’s trying to con me into paying a $300 “fine” for supposedly “viewing child pornography” (and no, I was not).

    As a nice added touch it says that if I do it again, I’ll have to appear before the US Supreme Court. :)

    I wonder how many people are dumb enough to pay them?


  80. Bumr50
    80 | December 29, 2012 11:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    My brother-in-law had that happen while he was on my father-in-law’s laptop, FREAKED OUT, and called me.

    I says : “Do you think that the FBI could be bought off with a $300 Visa gift card?”


  81. Calo
    81 | December 29, 2012 11:48 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I didn’t get that virus on my new laptop, but I really dislike Windows 8.

    What were they smoking in Seattle when they put this ditty together?


  82. brookly red
    82 | December 29, 2012 11:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Grr…we really need the death penalty for idiots who program computer viruses.

    I just picked up a trojan on my brand new laptop that’s trying to con me into paying a $300 “fine” for supposedly “viewing child pornography” (and no, I was not).

    As a nice added touch it says that if I do it again, I’ll have to appear before the US Supreme Court.

    I wonder how many people are dumb enough to pay them?

    actually those shits like the Nigerian lottery are probes… they are looking for people dumb to respond, even if in anger, and once they make contact …


  83. huckfunn
    83 | December 29, 2012 11:50 pm

    Frogs up 13-zilch over Spartans at the half. Can anyone please ‘splain to me why TCU is wearing blue hats instead of purple? Obamunist plot? Also, good bowl week sofar for Texas. Baylor stomped UCLA and Texas beat Oregon State in a close one.


  84. Bumr50
    84 | December 29, 2012 11:51 pm

    @ Calo:

    I guess it’s all about ‘Touch’ technology?

    I haven’t experienced it.


  85. lobo91
    85 | December 29, 2012 11:53 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    My brother-in-law had that happen while he was on my father-in-law’s laptop, FREAKED OUT, and called me.
    I says : “Do you think that the FBI could be bought off with a $300 Visa gift card?”

    My first reaction was “Umm…what? You want me to go to Walgreens and get you a gift card? WTF?”

    And then I saw the “Supreme Court” thing and started laughing. When I scrolled further down the page, I notice a bunch of stuff that looked like it was written by someone who doesn’t actually speak English.

    It took me about 5 minutes to get rid of it, but I’m kind of annoyed that the programs I already have installed didn’t catch it in the first place.


  86. Bumr50
    86 | December 29, 2012 11:54 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I wonder what a dozen wings will set you back at the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl?

    Will there be crazy sprinkler action?


  87. Bumr50
    87 | December 29, 2012 11:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    He ended up doing a system restore.


  88. lobo91
    88 | December 29, 2012 11:55 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I didn’t get that virus on my new laptop, but I really dislike Windows 8.
    What were they smoking in Seattle when they put this ditty together?

    Mine has Windows 7. I skipped all the ones that came with 8.


  89. lobo91
    89 | December 29, 2012 11:56 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    He ended up doing a system restore.

    All I had to do was restart in Safe Mode and have Malwarebytes scan it. It found it in about 3 minutes.

    It should have blocked it in the first place, though.


  90. Calo
    90 | December 29, 2012 11:57 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I sent my husband out on a mission.

    He thought he did me a favor by getting the latest and greatest crap.


  91. lobo91
    91 | December 29, 2012 11:58 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I sent my husband out on a mission.
    He thought he did me a favor by getting the latest and greatest crap.

    Windows 8 was made specifically for tablets and other computers with touch screens. It doesn’t work well on regular laptops.


  92. brookly red
    92 | December 29, 2012 11:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    My brother-in-law had that happen while he was on my father-in-law’s laptop, FREAKED OUT, and called me.
    I says : “Do you think that the FBI could be bought off with a $300 Visa gift card?”

    My first reaction was “Umm…what? You want me to go to Walgreens and get you a gift card? WTF?”

    And then I saw the “Supreme Court” thing and started laughing. When I scrolled further down the page, I notice a bunch of stuff that looked like it was written by someone who doesn’t actually speak English.

    It took me about 5 minutes to get rid of it, but I’m kind of annoyed that the programs I already have installed didn’t catch it in the first place.

    /I just got an e-mail from the west coast liberty center demanding that I send them cheetos and mountain dew or they would expose me as a racist…


  93. huckfunn
    93 | December 29, 2012 11:59 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Here’s several free anti-malware and anti-spyware programs that I use and update several times weekly. I don’t get viruses.

    Malwarebytes

    Super Anti Spyware

    Spyware Blaster

    Spybot Search and Destroy


  94. brookly red
    94 | December 30, 2012 12:01 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Here’s several free anti-malware and anti-spyware programs that I use and update several times weekly. I don’t get viruses.

    Malwarebytes

    Super Anti Spyware

    yeah but the problem with that is Google actually IS spy ware…

    Spyware Blaster

    Spybot Search and Destroy


  95. huckfunn
    95 | December 30, 2012 12:07 am

    @ brookly red:
    I haven’t had any problems. I also have Do Not Track Me Plus.


  96. brookly red
    96 | December 30, 2012 12:14 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I haven’t had any problems. I also have Do Not Track Me Plus.

    yes a good one…


  97. brookly red
    97 | December 30, 2012 12:17 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I haven’t had any problems. I also have Do Not Track Me Plus.

    oh and by the way the Blogmocracy is tracking me :)


  98. huckfunn
    98 | December 30, 2012 12:19 am

    brookly red wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I haven’t had any problems. I also have Do Not Track Me Plus.

    oh and by the way the Blogmocracy is tracking me

    Heh! I blocked ‘em.


  99. huckfunn
    99 | December 30, 2012 12:34 am

    I’m gonna watch the game and call it a night.

    G’nite, me bloogs.


  100. 100 | December 30, 2012 12:48 am

    @ lobo91:
    Lotta that going around. Some friends came over last night and one described getting the same symptoms.
    In addition to the list above, I’d add Kaspersky’s TDSS Rootkit Killer. Internet Septic Tank Engineer turned me on to that one, and it’s saved my ass twice.
    http://download.cnet.com/Kaspersky-TDSSKiller/3000-2239_4-12684178.html


  101. Bumr50
    101 | December 30, 2012 12:48 am

    @ huckfunn:

    G’nite!

    G’nite all.

    I stopped outside a church house
    Where the citizens like to sit
    They say they want the kingdom
    But they don’t want God in it


  102. 102 | December 30, 2012 12:51 am

    @ brookly red:
    The Blogmocracy doesn’t track. They’ve always been a stalker blog. ;)


  103. Calo
    103 | December 30, 2012 1:00 am

    @ Bumr50:
    Oh! Really nice to see an artist in action.
    I really wish I had that kind of talent.

    Sleep well, Bumr and thank you for the video.


  104. 104 | December 30, 2012 1:06 am

    @ Calo:
    The girl’s got hairy arms and is using the wrong hand, but other than that it’s a nice sketch.


  105. EBL
    105 | December 30, 2012 1:17 am

    As much as I love and respect Mark Steyn and the Blogmocracy, Piers Morgan is a shameless huckster making money off the blood of children and will never leave the USA voluntarily… We need to ignore Piers Morgan, not promote him. Only that will drive him away.


  106. Moe Katz
    106 | December 30, 2012 1:29 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Prebanned:
    Burst is hard to keep on target across a room, I would keep it semi.
    I’m still waiting for someone to explain what difference the size of the magazines Lanza used would have made when shooting a room full of 7 year olds.
    I sort of doubt that they would have rushed him while he was reloading…

    The six staff that were killed were all trying to stop Lanza, so I dunno.


  107. Moe Katz
    107 | December 30, 2012 1:30 am

    That was a driveby post, by the way.


  108. 108 | December 30, 2012 2:07 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    Yes they were, and not one of them had a weapon to do so.


  109. 109 | December 30, 2012 2:21 am

    It’s very unlikely that that having one or more of the school staffed armed would have stopped all the killings. There’s something like a 50-50 chance having one or more of the school staff armed would have reduced the number of killings. There’s an almost zero chance that having one or more of the school staff armed would have incresed the number of killings.

    Playing the probabilities is always the way to go.


  110. Moe Katz
    110 | December 30, 2012 2:53 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Yes they were, and not one of them had a weapon to do so.

    I’m responding to Lobo’s point quoted in my 106, about whether having to stop to reload might have saved some of the kids. Lanza was just a scrawny little adolescent, no Rambo, so there’s a good chance he could have been stopped by staff members barehanded if he’d run out of ammo. Moreover, some children might have had a chance to run away.


  111. 111 | December 30, 2012 2:55 am

    @ Mike C.:
    Unarmed defenders leaves the odds at nothing.


  112. Moe Katz
    112 | December 30, 2012 3:00 am

    So magazine capacity might indeed have made a difference, that’s my point.


  113. Moe Katz
    113 | December 30, 2012 3:03 am

    The server is getting constipated again.


  114. 114 | December 30, 2012 3:08 am

    @ Bunk X:

    Precisely my point.

    @ Moe Katz:

    Which, of course, justifies high capacity magazines for self-defense. Double-edged sword, and all that.


  115. Moe Katz
    115 | December 30, 2012 3:12 am

    @ Mike C.:
    Fair enough. High capacity magazines should be permitted for those in designated protective roles. Doesn’t necessarily follow that the general public ought to have ‘em.


  116. 116 | December 30, 2012 3:12 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    It’s a moot point. If his ammo clip was shorter, bringing more loaded weapons would have worked.
    The argument is inane. “Assault weapons” were banned, but that didn’t stop the Columbine massacre. Even decades ago, criminal assholes who couldn’t afford guns built their own. Those who didn’t had switchblades. Switchblades were made illegal, and they limited the blade lengths, too, but that never stopped robberies or stabbings.

    You can’t make weapons disappear, because just about anything may be used as a weapon, including air.


  117. 117 | December 30, 2012 3:15 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    Who is going to decide who is qualified to protect themselves? I don’t trust anyone to make that decision, even if I see a glowing halo over his head.


  118. Moe Katz
    118 | December 30, 2012 3:16 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    ou can’t make weapons disappear, because just about anything may be used as a weapon, including air.

    Oh, I agree -- I’m not arguing in favor of any new restrictions, because it seems to me that horse has long ago left the barn.


  119. Moe Katz
    119 | December 30, 2012 3:18 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Who is going to decide who is qualified to protect themselves? I don’t trust anyone to make that decision, even if I see a glowing halo over his head.

    I’m talking about those designated to protect others, like the proposed school guard corps. Ideally, I wouldn’t want to see high capacity magazines in the hands of other citizens. But banning them may be impracticable.


  120. 120 | December 30, 2012 3:22 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    Why not? Does the general public use their cars to deliberately run over people? Does the general public routinely assault each other when they’re collecting their mail? Does the general public eat their breakfast, lunch and supper in the produce aisle at the grocery store without paying?

    You’ve got a very low opinion of law-abiding citizens who happen to be a huge majority in this country.


  121. 121 | December 30, 2012 3:25 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    As a husband, a father and a U.S. Citizen, I have the right to protect myself and others PERIOD. If I get backup assistance from others, including law enforcement, all the better.


  122. Moe Katz
    122 | December 30, 2012 3:27 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    You’ve got a very low opinion of law-abiding citizens who happen to be a huge majority in this country.

    Sometimes everyone has to sacrifice a little freedom to avoid the harm that results when a few individuals abuse that freedom. I might have a Mercedes E-Class and be a safe freeway driver at 100 mph, but others might not have the vehicle or the skills to be safe at that speed, so I accept a speed limit of 70 or whatever….


  123. Moe Katz
    123 | December 30, 2012 3:31 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    As a husband, a father and a U.S. Citizen, I have the right to protect myself and others PERIOD. If I get backup assistance from others, including law enforcement, all the better.

    Sorry, you have no absolute freedom to own any weapon you want in the pursuit of your self-defense. That is up to lawmakers, as representatives of the people, to decide. What if you want a suitcase nuke? Well you can’t have one.


  124. 124 | December 30, 2012 3:31 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    “…like the proposed school guard corps.”
    There are many schools in this country especially in the larger cities that have metal detectors and armed guards. Those armed guards are not shooting up kids.

    You seem to be arguing inanities for trolling jollies or something. Have at it.


  125. Moe Katz
    125 | December 30, 2012 3:33 am

    You have the right to defend yourself and your family with weapons that are permitted only.


  126. Moe Katz
    126 | December 30, 2012 3:34 am

    @ Bunk X:
    I think you misunderstand me. I’m saying that school guards have a very good case for being permitted high capacity magazines; ordinary citizens less so.


  127. 127 | December 30, 2012 3:35 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Fair enough. High capacity magazines should be permitted for those in designated protective roles. Doesn’t necessarily follow that the general public ought to have ‘em.

    I’ll agree with that -- as soon as I and my family members get their own state-supplied bodyguards. But since that’s not going to happen, and since we are on our own, we ARE the people in the “desgnated protective roles.” The majority opinion in DC v Heller makes that quite specific.


  128. Moe Katz
    128 | December 30, 2012 3:36 am

    As far as trolling is concerned, my position is that I don’t like high capacity magazines, but suspect it’s too late to get rid of them. How radical is that?


  129. 129 | December 30, 2012 3:39 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    Inanities. A suitcase nuke is not for self-defense. C’mon, Moe, you’re a smart guy. Why are you tossing out strawmen? I have the absolute right to own a firearm by the 2nd Amendment.


  130. 130 | December 30, 2012 3:41 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Bunk X wrote:
    @ Moe Katz:
    As a husband, a father and a U.S. Citizen, I have the right to protect myself and others PERIOD. If I get backup assistance from others, including law enforcement, all the better.
    Sorry, you have no absolute freedom to own any weapon you want in the pursuit of your self-defense. That is up to lawmakers, as representatives of the people, to decide. What if you want a suitcase nuke? Well you can’t have one.

    Jesu-effing-Christe! There should be some analog to Godwin’s Law for morons who drag out the nuke argument.

    Yes, I want nukes. On boomers. And an aircraft carrier. Do you realise how stupid that makes you sound? Ridiculous hyperbole is not exactly an impressive debate strategy.


  131. Moe Katz
    131 | December 30, 2012 3:43 am

    @ Mike C.:
    DC v Heller does not, to my knowledge, pertain to specific types of arms. Clearly, lawmakers in the US have the authority to allow and disallow different kinds of weapons.

    Night fellas.


  132. 132 | December 30, 2012 3:45 am

    Oh, and BTW, please define “high-capacity magazine”, and in particular, the specific number of rounds that contitutes the upper limit. Be sure to rationaaly justify the specific number you have in mind.


  133. 133 | December 30, 2012 3:45 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    If you don’t like high-capacity magazines, don’t get them. How many shots should be (dis)allowed? 15? 10? 6? 1?
    If we could disarm all criminals, which is an impossibility due to the number of rocks on the earth and the number of hands and feet each of them has, maybe there would be no need for any sort of weapon.

    Absurd.


  134. 134 | December 30, 2012 3:50 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    Moving the goalposts. There is enough unenforced regulation in this country. Just wait until they outlaw poutine and Moulson’s and you’ll be singing a different song, eh?


  135. heysoos
    135 | December 30, 2012 3:51 am

    as for me, running out of ammo in a desperate affair is a scary thought…I think anything above 20 rounds might be considered high cap…unless one considers the term useless


  136. 136 | December 30, 2012 3:58 am

    The ultimate defense -- running away.

    Well, I’ll answer my own last question, then.

    Let;s examine two groups of people in the US who commonly are armed for self-defense roles and see what they think is adequate. I refer, of course, to the police and the military. Police departments commonly use 3 weapons types -- full-sized semi-auto pistols, high capacity semi-auto or pump-action tactical shotguns, and AR-15 variants. The pistols commonly have magazine capacities in the 10-17 round range, depending on caliber. Shotguns typically 6-8 rounds. AR-15 variants are usually issued with 30 round magazines. For the military, the rifles are commonlly Class III NFA weapons, capable of full-auto firing, or at least 3 round burst firing. Some police departments also have access to Class III weapons of various types. As to pistols, the standard US military issue is the Beretta M 9, which has a magazine holding 15 rounds of 9 mm ammunition. So now we have an proven, existing standard of what constitutes a reasonable defensive weapon.


  137. Moe Katz
    137 | December 30, 2012 4:01 am

    Fellas, Canadian law restricts magazines above 10 rounds, so that was what I had in mind. Yes, it’s arbitrary.

    Finally, look at federal and state restrictions currently in force on full automatic weapons. Clearly, the Second Amendment isn’t currently interpreted by US lawmakers as a blanket right to own just anything that shoots.

    Again, goodnight


  138. 138 | December 30, 2012 4:04 am

    Note -- I put the foregoing up strictly as an argument regarding defensive weaponry. Self-defense, or even worse, hunting, was NOT the purpose of including the second amendment in the US constitution. It does cover those things, but that’s not it’s raison d’etre.


  139. 139 | December 30, 2012 4:06 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    You are the only one talking about “a blanket right to own just anything that shoots.” Anything the police are allowed to carry should also be allowed to be carried by the general public.

    I want a tank, too.


  140. Moe Katz
    140 | December 30, 2012 4:07 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    I want a tank, too.

    You couldn’t afford the gas, believe me.


  141. 141 | December 30, 2012 4:10 am


  142. heysoos
    142 | December 30, 2012 4:11 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Note — I put the foregoing up strictly as an argument regarding defensive weaponry. Self-defense, or even worse, hunting, was NOT the purpose of including the second amendment in the US constitution. It does cover those things, but that’s not it’s raison d’etre.

    capacity is relative to some reasonable expectation of need…there is no standard…if you want to carry in a mall while shopping an extra mag seems reasonable but if you want to haul 200 rounds around that’s okay too…there is no solution that makes perfect sense for everybody…since there is a clear distinction between good guys and bad guys, the issue is pretty much moot


  143. 143 | December 30, 2012 4:11 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    I’d get a hybrid.


  144. 144 | December 30, 2012 4:14 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Fellas, Canadian law restricts magazines above 10 rounds, so that was what I had in mind. Yes, it’s arbitrary.
    Finally, look at federal and state restrictions currently in force on full automatic weapons. Clearly, the Second Amendment isn’t currently interpreted by US lawmakers as a blanket right to own just anything that shoots.
    Again, goodnight

    I assume you are not aware that US law (federal law at least) allows ownership of crew-served, belt-fed weapons like the Browning M-2 machine gun (in .50 caliber, no less) and at least some small artillery like anti-tank guns. The instances of such things being used in crimes over decades is almost zero.

    I assume you are also not aware of the fact that the most deadly ammunition in the US (according to official FBI crime statistics, which are published annually) is the lowly .22 LR and the .25, usually fired from extremely cheap blowback-design pocket pistols with a 6 round capacity. Rifles of any type cause far fewer criminal deaths each and every year than clubs (like baseball bats) or just hands and feet.


  145. 145 | December 30, 2012 4:15 am


  146. 146 | December 30, 2012 4:18 am

    There should be laws about stealing tanks and building armored bulldozers to romp around town destroying stuff.


  147. heysoos
    147 | December 30, 2012 4:19 am

    @ Bunk X:
    let’s do a study!


  148. 148 | December 30, 2012 4:24 am

    @ heysoos:

    I use 20 round magazines for my Mini-14. You can buy 30 round versions, and some fool company makes and sells a 250 round, dual drum magazine for it, but that’s not something I want hanging off my rifle -- weighs a ton and is going to make it very unbalanced. Also tends to jam, as you might suspect. If it doesn’t jam and you fire as fast as possible, there’s a very large probability you will damage or destroy the gun due to overheating. I use 20 round magazines rather than the available 30 round ones because I don’t want the extra weight, but that’s a personal decision. I own multiple magazines because I pay for range time by the hour and would rather spend more of it shooting than reloading magazines.


  149. heysoos
    149 | December 30, 2012 4:39 am

    @ Mike C.:
    well, you’re the expert and that’s why I think you can decide for yourself what’s best for you in a given situation…this capacity argument is a dead end and best left up to the carriers themselves…999 out of a thousand people will do the right and practical thing…that’s your business, not mine…I have no desire to restrict already responsible people…but to leap ahead politically, mag capacity is gonna be a hot issue, regardless of the logic


  150. 150 | December 30, 2012 4:41 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    Fellas, Canadian law restricts magazines above 10 rounds, so that was what I had in mind. Yes, it’s arbitrary.

    Uh, we’re not Canadian.

    Finally, look at federal and state restrictions currently in force on full automatic weapons.

    Yes, by federal law and most state laws, ownership is allowed. What’s your point?


  151. 151 | December 30, 2012 4:41 am

    @ heysoos:
    GRANT MONEY! We can prevent these atrocities from ever happening again? Get that bitch Fineswine on the phone!


  152. 152 | December 30, 2012 4:50 am

    @ heysoos:

    I’m no expert. And I don’t think magazine capacity restrictions are going anywhere, or at least not on the federal level. MAYBE 1 or 2 states that currently do not have capacity limits on removeable magazines might institute limits, but that is yet to be seen. I own 2 rifles and 3 handguns that have non-removeable magazines/cylinders that are limited by the design to a certain number of rounds.


  153. heysoos
    153 | December 30, 2012 4:51 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    GRANT MONEY! We can prevent these atrocities from ever happening again? Get that bitch Fineswine on the phone!

    call it the Bunk Study Of Private Ownership Of Armored Vehicles, the BSOPOOAV Group…fund for 5 years at $2m a year…that’s 5 for you and 5 for me, tweedle dum and tweedle dee


  154. 154 | December 30, 2012 4:55 am

    You can own a tank, BTW. You just can’t buy ammo for the main gun.


  155. heysoos
    155 | December 30, 2012 4:57 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I’m no expert. And I don’t think magazine capacity restrictions are going anywhere, or at least not on the federal level. MAYBE 1 or 2 states that currently do not have capacity limits on removeable magazines might institute limits, but that is yet to be seen. I own 2 rifles and 3 handguns that have non-removeable magazines/cylinders that are limited by the design to a certain number of rounds.

    I just think the feds will show their gun ‘prowess’ by dicking around with capacity, caliber, load/velocity, lead, liability…all that peripheral stuff…that’s all they have and they will use it


  156. Moe Katz
    156 | December 30, 2012 4:58 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Fellas, Canadian law restricts magazines above 10 rounds, so that was what I had in mind. Yes, it’s arbitrary.
    Uh, we’re not Canadian.
    Finally, look at federal and state restrictions currently in force on full automatic weapons.
    Yes, by federal law and most state laws, ownership is allowed. What’s your point?

    1. I was asked what I had in mind as a definition of high cap, and so I told you I was using the Canadian law as a rule of thumb. As I said, it’s arbitrary.
    2. Federal law in the US does not permit you to register new fully automatic weapons, only ones dating to 1986 or earlier.
    3. My point, again, is that the Second Amendment does not, as currently interpreted, confer an unconditional right to own just anything at all that shoots. You may feel that you have such a right, but that’s not how it works at the federal or state levels presently.


  157. Moe Katz
    157 | December 30, 2012 5:00 am

    By the way, the school guards may as well have fully automatic weapons, why bother with high capacity mags on semi-automatics?


  158. heysoos
    158 | December 30, 2012 5:02 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    yes, most advanced military weaponry is not allowed into the gen pop and anyone here is good with that…but if you need an M2 that bad you can get one, but then you would not be gen pop anymore…get your checkbook out


  159. heysoos
    159 | December 30, 2012 5:07 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    By the way, the school guards may as well have fully automatic weapons, why bother with high capacity mags on semi-automatics?

    good point and seems logical…like I said above, if I hire a guard and he want’s an Uzi, then he can have it…if he wants high cap pistol mags, he can have them…but rocket launchers to oppose kid killers have been proven ineffective, otherwise that’s fine too…I don’t give a damn how you do it or what weapons you need to protect the kids


  160. Moe Katz
    160 | December 30, 2012 5:10 am

    @ heysoos:
    Imagine buying it and being too broke to shoot it.


  161. heysoos
    161 | December 30, 2012 5:12 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    heh, you have kids?…how much are they worth?


  162. 162 | December 30, 2012 5:19 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    1. I was asked what I had in mind as a definition of high cap, and so I told you I was using the Canadian law as a rule of thumb. As I said, it’s arbitrary.

    Ah, so your argument is that my grandson’s Henry Youth Carbine, a lever-action, should be banned then, yes? It holds 12 rounds of .22 LR or 17 rounds of .22 L or 18 rounds of .22 Short. Obviously a dire threat to the nation’s security.

    So you have no justification for a magazine capacity limit other than just pulling a number out of your ass, for all intents and purposes. Thank you.

    As to your other 2 points, I already knew that, thank you very much. You are aware that DC banned handguns by law and got smacked down, as did Chicago (and got smacked down) and that the State of IL just got their pee-pees smacked over their absolute ban on CCW, yes? You seem to have a rather scary belief in the absolute authority of rulers. That’s about as anti-American an attitude as is humanly possible.


  163. 163 | December 30, 2012 5:40 am

    Here’s my grandson’s “assault rifle”…

    http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-lever-youth.cfm


  164. Guggi
    164 | December 30, 2012 5:54 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Grr…we really need the death penalty for idiots who program computer viruses.
    I just picked up a trojan on my brand new laptop that’s trying to con me into paying a $300 “fine” for supposedly “viewing child pornography” (and no, I was not).
    As a nice added touch it says that if I do it again, I’ll have to appear before the US Supreme Court.
    I wonder how many people are dumb enough to pay them?

    I caught a similar virus but they didn’t want money but my laptop was inabled completely. Did the same as you to get rid of it.


  165. 165 | December 30, 2012 6:19 am

    A very rare and refreshing example an actual TV reporter who understands the second amendment…

    http://www.fox19.com/story/20399062/the-very-politically-incorrect-truth-about-the-second-amendment

    Hat tip -- rayra at GCP


  166. 166 | December 30, 2012 7:04 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Oh, and “Moe Katz” might want to view that video to understand what the basic discussion really concerns. I doubt he’ll understand, but that’s not my fault.


  167. 167 | December 30, 2012 7:29 am

    @ Mike C.:

    When Americans, theoretically educated in American history, fail to understand the implications of the Second Amendment, it is easy to excuse foreigners who are ignorant of US History when they, too, don’t understand this really simple amendment. The Supreme Court has ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right, though they haven’t exactly invalidated any laws on it. They have deliberately left the scrutiny of the Amendment vauge because if they give it the pride of place that it Deserves, nearly all gun control laws would be invalidated. “Shall not be infringed” is the strongest language used in the Bill of Laws. That is considerably stronger than “Congress shall make no laws” which implies that the States might indeed could make laws. Shalll not be infringed, Moe. It is standard English. I imagine that it means the same thing in Canadian as it does in English, only with an occasional “U” thrown in…


  168. 168 | December 30, 2012 7:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    If people from other countries do not understand the basic facts under discussion, then perhaps they would do well to spare us their uninformed opinions.

    How’s that for a comment the goes directly to the thread topic as well as the most recent discussion?


  169. storagemanger
    169 | December 30, 2012 8:00 am

    well that was fun..pc crashed…and yes…I know the nick is mis-spelled..long story.


  170. 170 | December 30, 2012 8:00 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Works for me! What is most galling about the current debate on gun control is that the homicide rate is down despite (or perhaps because) gun sales being way up. At best there is no causal relationship between the ready availability of firearms and homicide. Chicago is proof of that. Guns are heavily restricted, and they have a high homicide rate. Where I live guns are only as restricted as the Federal Government requires (and we require a permit to carry), and the homicide rate is low. This is more than anecdotal evidence. The cold, hard fact is that the gun controllers view homicide as a tool to achieve their political ends. I don’ tkno wthat to be the case with Moe Katz, but more generally that is simply the facts here in the United States. They were simply waiting for the oppertunity to further their political aims. In reality, rifles are almost never used in homicides (something like less than 4% of homicides are with any type of rifle< IIRC). They are going after them because they are a target of oppertunity. “Assault Weapons” are simply one step towards a total or near total prohibition on civillian firearm ownership. You and I know this, but it is possible that Moe does not. We should educate him.


  171. 171 | December 30, 2012 8:01 am

    @ storagemanger:

    Welcome back!


  172. storagemanger
    172 | December 30, 2012 8:03 am

    California sends Islam to Disneyland..

    New year brings new labor laws… 3. Accommodation of religions dress and grooming

    A second amendment to the FEHA requires employers to accommodate religious dress and grooming practices. These terms are defined to include head or face coverings, jewelry or religious artifacts, and all forms of head, facial or body hair that are “part of the observance by an individual of his or her religious creed.” Segregating the employee from others is not a reasonable accommodation.
    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/labor-382051-new-employers.html


  173. storagemanger
    173 | December 30, 2012 8:05 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    thank you


  174. storagemanger
    174 | December 30, 2012 8:09 am

    Israel Takes Giant Step Towards Energy Self-Sufficiency

    Israel has launched an offshore platform for natural gas, a step towards energy self-sufficiency for the first time in history.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/


  175. Da_Beerfreak
    175 | December 30, 2012 8:12 am

    storagemanger wrote:

    well that was fun..pc crashed…and yes…I know the nick is mis-spelled..long story.

    There are days when the computer revolution is truly revolting. :twisted:


  176. storagemanger
    176 | December 30, 2012 8:14 am

    Egypt will develop its ties with Hezbollah, recognizing it as a “real political and military force,” said an Egyptian official to Lebanese press. The announcement signals a U-turn in policy where Egypt had accused the group of operating terror cells.

    In an interview with Lebanese publication the Daily Star, Egyptian ambassador to Lebanon Ashraf Hamdy said that his country’s newly-elected Islamist government would build “tight” relations with Hezbollah.

    He stated that the ruling Muslim Brotherhood was “stretching out its hand” to its neighbors with a view to developing its foreign policy and furthering interests.

    “You cannot discuss politics in Lebanon without having a relationship with Hezbollah. It is a real force on the ground. It has a big political and military influence in Lebanon,” Hamdy stressed to the Daily Star.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/egypt-announces-plans-to-strengthen-ties-with-hezbollah-terror-group/


  177. Da_Beerfreak
    177 | December 30, 2012 8:19 am

    More of Obama’s international gun running.
    US considers granting missile ships to Turkey
    :evil:


  178. storagemanger
    178 | December 30, 2012 8:24 am

    For now this is a reminder that Sunnis may hate Shiites, but all Islamists hate Jews even more. Egypt has announced that it supports Hezbollah terrorism against Israel. The Brotherhood and Hezbollah may be killing each other in Syria, but they agree on Israel as a common enemy. http://frontpagemag.com/


  179. 179 | December 30, 2012 8:27 am

    Total rifle killings per year as per the official FBI statistics:

    1995 – 637
    1996 -- 561
    1997 -- 638
    1998 -- 548
    1999 -- 400
    2000 – 396
    2001 – 386
    2002 – 486
    2003 – 392
    2004 – 403
    2005 -- 442
    2006 – 438
    2007 -- 453
    2008 – 380
    2009 – 351
    2010 – 358
    2011 -- 323

    Note that the 4 lowest yearly totals are the most recent, long after the expiration of the AWB in 2004.


  180. storagemanger
    180 | December 30, 2012 8:28 am

    South African president Jacob Zuma got into a spot of bother Thursday when he suggested that owning a dog was not African and belonged to white culture.

    Local media reported that Zuma had remarked that buying a dog, taking it for walks and paying for veterinary care belonged to “white” culture.

    Not able to let sleeping dogs lie, Zuma went on to say that pet ownership was part of a worrying trend of black Africans trying to be white.

    That prompted howls of protest from South African pet owners of all hues and mottles.

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1212/dogs_only_for_whitey.php3


  181. storagemanger
    181 | December 30, 2012 8:31 am

    NEW YORK (AP) — The phones at Red’s Trading Post wouldn’t stop ringing. Would-be customers from as far away as New York wanted to know if the Twin Falls, Idaho gun shop had firearms in stock. Others clamored to find out if their orders had been shipped.

    Overwhelmed, manager Ryan Horsley had to do what no employee would think of doing just days before Christmas: He disconnected the phone lines for three days.

    “We had to shut everything off,” says Horsley, whose family has owned Red’s Trading Post, the state’s oldest gun shop, since 1936. “We were swamped in the store and online.”

    Phones at gun shops across the country are ringing off the hook.

    Demand for firearms, ammunition and bulletproof gear has surged since the Dec. 14 shooting in Newtown, Conn., that took the lives of 20 schoolchildren and six teachers and administrators. The shooting sparked calls for tighter gun control, especially for military-style assault weapons like the ones used in Newtown and in the Aurora, Colo., movie theater shooting earlier this year.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/12/29/gun-sales-spike/1797815/


  182. storagemanger
    182 | December 30, 2012 8:37 am

    Why are we still here?…you mean the MAYANS were wrong?


  183. Da_Beerfreak
    183 | December 30, 2012 8:42 am

    @ storagemanger:
    The MAYAN’S contract ran out and wasn’t renewed; so no more calenders. :wink:


  184. storagemanger
    184 | December 30, 2012 8:46 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ storagemanger:
    The MAYAN’S contract ran out and wasn’t renewed; so no more calenders.

    Can’t depend on y2k or the Mayan’s….who you gonna trust?


  185. 185 | December 30, 2012 8:57 am

    So this idiot knows a thing abouts guns thorough family members who served, hmmm, how many top secret things have his family told him? Sounds like time for an investigation of exactly what his family told him and why, they may be traitors …………..


  186. 186 | December 30, 2012 9:15 am

    storagemanger wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Can’t depend on y2k or the Mayan’s….who you gonna trust?

    Um…God!


  187. coldwarrior
    187 | December 30, 2012 9:40 am

    storagemanger wrote:

    well that was fun..pc crashed…and yes…I know the nick is mis-spelled..long story.

    we can recover that for ya.


  188. huckfunn
    188 | December 30, 2012 9:42 am

    This item will make you the life of the party on New Year’s Eve. One small problem. I checked with Cabela’s and they’re totally sold out of 25mm.


  189. coldwarrior
    189 | December 30, 2012 9:43 am

    @ Mike C.:

    well, arent those very interesting numbers


  190. 190 | December 30, 2012 9:48 am

    @ huckfunn:

    It’s been rechambered for .50 BMG, so no worries. At 1000#, it’s a bit overweight for a single-shot .50 BMG, IMHO.


  191. huckfunn
    191 | December 30, 2012 9:50 am

    @ Mike C.:
    I see that there’s 1 bid so I’m guessin that would be you. :grin:


  192. coldwarrior
    192 | December 30, 2012 9:53 am

    new thread yinz


  193. 193 | December 30, 2012 9:54 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    IIRC, the rifle total for 2011 is < 3 % of the total total, and less than half the instances of people killed without any weapons being used, just hands and feet.

    Which brings up an old joke… A woman anti-gun protestor confronts a customer coming out of a gun shop with a new rifle. She says to the customer "why did you buy that rifle? Are you compensating for a small penis?" The customer thinks for a moment and answers "Well, yes ma'am, I guess I am. If I could kill something at 500 yards with my penis, I wouldn't need a rifle."


  194. 194 | December 30, 2012 9:55 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I see that there’s 1 bid so I’m guessin that would be you.

    I don’t think my Geo would pull that thing…


  195. coldwarrior
    195 | December 30, 2012 9:56 am

    @ Mike C.:

    ahhh!

    :lol:


  196. 196 | December 30, 2012 9:58 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Moe, can you sit down? 8)


  197. lobo91
    197 | December 30, 2012 10:06 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    The vast majority of the killings took place in two classrooms. The 3 or 4 other adults he killed were in the hallway, not in the same room with the kids.

    It takes less than 2 seconds to switch magazines on an AR-15. If you count your shots, you can change it before running out, so it will still fire.

    It would have made absolutely no difference if he’d used 10 or 20 round magazines instead of 30 round ones.


  198. lobo91
    198 | December 30, 2012 10:08 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    Sometimes everyone has to sacrifice a little freedom to avoid the harm that results when a few individuals abuse that freedom.

    Maybe in the collective where you live, but not in a free society.


  199. 199 | December 30, 2012 10:16 am

    @ lobo91:

    Borg -- what can you do?


  200. lobo91
    200 | December 30, 2012 10:18 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Borg — what can you do?

    I always enjoy listening to non-US citizens lecturing us on what our Constitution does and doesn’t permit.


  201. 201 | December 30, 2012 10:21 am

    @ lobo91:

    Ayup.


  202. lobo91
    202 | December 30, 2012 10:32 am

    @ Mike C.:

    It’s particularly interesting coming from Canadians, given that a large part of their population are descendants of those who fled this country following our revolution out of loyalty to the British monarch.


  203. Prebanned
    203 | December 30, 2012 10:42 am

    Looking at the absolute hell that democrats have made of DC, Chicago. LA, Detroit and other cities, I am motivated to oppose gun control and the rest of thier stupid ideas.

    Denying our law abiding citizens thier Constitutional right to defend themselves will not save us from evil lunatics, it will empower criminals.


  204. Prebanned
    204 | December 30, 2012 10:44 am

    Maybe we should cut off everybodys penis to prevent rape?
    Babies can be created with artificial insemination.


  205. lobo91
    205 | December 30, 2012 10:47 am

    @ Prebanned:

    Let’s ban matches and lighters to prevent arson.

    Nobody needs those assault fire-starting devices. They used flints to start fires when the Constitution was written.
    //


  206. huckfunn
    206 | December 30, 2012 10:54 am

    Prebanned wrote:

    Looking at the absolute hell that democrats have made of DC, Chicago. LA, Detroit and other cities, I am motivated to oppose gun control and the rest of thier stupid ideas.

    Here is a listing of the high/low crime cities based upon population. My guesstimation is that 80 to 90% of the highest crime cities are run by dimocrats. I was surprised to see that El Paso tops the list of the safest large cities.


  207. lobo91
    207 | December 30, 2012 12:19 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I was surprised to see that El Paso tops the list of the safest large cities.

    El Paso, although a Democrat-run city, has an extremely high law enforcement presence, since it’s a major border crossing.


  208. Buffalobob
    208 | December 30, 2012 2:38 pm

    Piersie baby, England called and they don’t want you back, they suggested you try the Falklands.


  209. Moe Katz
    209 | December 30, 2012 3:25 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Oh, and “Moe Katz” might want to view that video to understand what the basic discussion really concerns. I doubt he’ll understand, but that’s not my fault.

    Look, I understand the limits of my position as a furriner, all I’ve been saying here is that your own Amurrican people have the right, through their duly elected representatives, to decide what instruments citizens may use to exercise their Second Amendment rights. A large proportion of your fellow citizens seem to feel this way, and this is reflected in legislation going back to the early 20th century, if not earlier. I’m not telling Americans what to ban or not ban, I’m saying the American people have the right to decide what weapons they will tolerate in their midst.


  210. Moe Katz
    210 | December 30, 2012 3:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Sometimes everyone has to sacrifice a little freedom to avoid the harm that results when a few individuals abuse that freedom.
    Maybe in the collective where you live, but not in a free society.

    Do you drive according to speed limits? And what about your right to drive on whichever side of the road suits your fancy? And what about your right to experiment with botulism bacteria in your basement in the pursuit of scientific advancement? Can you do that in the US? We all give up some freedom to live in an organized society, my friend.

    You guys have a heavily mythologized idea about American history and values and law, and your quarrel is not with this here furriner, but with an increasing majority of your fellow citizens who don’t share your idea of what your country is about.

    Flame-proof suit on, going to the gym.


  211. Moe Katz
    211 | December 30, 2012 3:40 pm

    And Mike C.:

    What proportion of your fellow citizens do you think share your view that the Second Amendment exists so citizens can overthrow the government if it gets uppity? Can you name one reputable historian who would say that?


  212. coldwarrior
    212 | December 30, 2012 4:03 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    the 2d amendment is to make sure the govt does not have a monopoly on violence..therefore a monopoly on coercive force.

    jefferson was pretty clear about guns in the hands of citizens. we are not subjects.


  213. brookly red
    213 | December 30, 2012 4:13 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Prebanned wrote:

    Looking at the absolute hell that democrats have made of DC, Chicago. LA, Detroit and other cities, I am motivated to oppose gun control and the rest of thier stupid ideas.

    Here is a listing of the high/low crime cities based upon population. My guesstimation is that 80 to 90% of the highest crime cities are run by dimocrats. I was surprised to see that El Paso tops the list of the safest large cities.

    note NYC is 3rd even with a population of around 8 million…


  214. brookly red
    214 | December 30, 2012 4:15 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    And Mike C.:

    What proportion of your fellow citizens do you think share your view that the Second Amendment exists so citizens can overthrow the government if it gets uppity? Can you name one reputable historian who would say that?

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:

    the 2d amendment is to make sure the govt does not have a monopoly on violence..therefore a monopoly on coercive force.

    jefferson was pretty clear about guns in the hands of citizens. we are not subjects.

    there is a big difference between overthrowing a government and just keeping it honest.


  215. Moe Katz
    215 | December 30, 2012 5:08 pm

    I don’t know any reputable academic historian who would say the second amendment is about citizen vs. government. They’d hunt you down like rats.


  216. Moe Katz
    216 | December 30, 2012 5:14 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    Prebanned wrote:
    Looking at the absolute hell that democrats have made of DC, Chicago. LA, Detroit and other cities, I am motivated to oppose gun control and the rest of thier stupid ideas.
    Here is a listing of the high/low crime cities based upon population. My guesstimation is that 80 to 90% of the highest crime cities are run by dimocrats. I was surprised to see that El Paso tops the list of the safest large cities.

    note NYC is 3rd even with a population of around 8 million…

    NYC is very safe nowadays, with a very multicultural, tolerant culture on the whole. Interesting, though, that the two incidents of people being pushed on subway tracks recently involved a minority perp and a recent immigrant victim of a different minority. Food for thought.


  217. Moe Katz
    217 | December 30, 2012 5:17 pm

    @ lobo91:
    By the way, I’m glad to hear you’re working, Lobo, and still in a position to spoil your little companion.


  218. darkwords
    218 | December 30, 2012 5:52 pm

    @ 211 Moe Katz: probably VDH and Gingrich and wife.

    I went to a disaster emergency class and they included everything possible to survive for 7 days where goods stop flowing. Except for a gun. Snow flakes would rather melt than freeze the hell out an evil patootie.


  219. darkwords
    219 | December 30, 2012 5:58 pm

    @ 210 Moe Katz: The Second Amendment is a little more fundamental than the exceptions you provide. non sequitur. When muslims accept churches and convesions in Mecca and criminals no longer carry guns and no single goverment official is corrupt then maybe we don’t need the second amendment anymore. It is there as a far sighted piece of wisdom based on experience with human nature.

    I would be fine if we tired a national voting id with a persons mental health. Then denied certain class of mentally ill the ability to use the id to buy a gun.


  220. Moe Katz
    220 | December 30, 2012 6:05 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Then denied certain class of mentally ill the ability to use the id to buy a gun.

    People can always get guns at gun shows or through straw buyers, like the guy in upstate NY who shot the firemen. Also, mass shooters don’t necessarily have psych histories, many are just angry, disgruntled suicidal men that want to make a grandstand exit.

    Again, I’m questioning whether the Second Amendment really says or implies anything about whether lawmakers can restrict specific *types* of weapons and/or ordnance, as opposed to firearms per se.


  221. Moe Katz
    221 | December 30, 2012 6:10 pm

    @ darkwords:
    I’d be interested in seeing anything by Hanson or Gingrich on the subject, noting however that Hanson’s competence as a historian is on ancient Greek warfare.


  222. Moe Katz
    222 | December 30, 2012 6:16 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Oh, and “Moe Katz” might want to view that video to understand what the basic discussion really concerns. I doubt he’ll understand, but that’s not my fault.

    Putting my user ID inside quotes? You seem to have gotten completely tilted about this, and I suppose I should have realized some of you feel that strongly about the subject. Oh, well….


  223. huckfunn
    223 | December 30, 2012 6:51 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    NYC is very safe nowadays, with a very multicultural, tolerant culture on the whole. Interesting, though, that the two incidents of people being pushed on subway tracks recently involved a minority perp and a recent immigrant victim of a different minority. Food for thought.

    I’ve thought about that. Maybe Piers Morgan should advocate for more subway control. Make subway trains softer so people wouldn’t be crushed when they are pushed in front of them by deranged persons. Make it illegal for deranged persons to be on the premises of a subway. Build fences on the subway platforms with signage that specifically prohibits deranged persons. So much to do.


  224. Moe Katz
    224 | December 30, 2012 7:37 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    NYC is very safe nowadays, with a very multicultural, tolerant culture on the whole. Interesting, though, that the two incidents of people being pushed on subway tracks recently involved a minority perp and a recent immigrant victim of a different minority. Food for thought.
    I’ve thought about that. Maybe Piers Morgan should advocate for more subway control. Make subway trains softer so people wouldn’t be crushed when they are pushed in front of them by deranged persons. Make it illegal for deranged persons to be on the premises of a subway. Build fences on the subway platforms with signage that specifically prohibits deranged persons. So much to do.

    Damn, for a minute there I thought you were actually going to comment on the topic I’d raised. Y’all are hopeless on this subject and i give up.


  225. Moe Katz
    225 | December 30, 2012 7:48 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    What you are not reckoning with, Huck, is that 20 kids being slaughtered causes a gut reaction nationwide that can’t be soothed with trivializing statistics showing how rare this sort of thing really is -- and arguing that it’s within the limits of acceptable risk as you do will sound really callous and make the pro-gun community look really nasty.


  226. huckfunn
    226 | December 30, 2012 8:00 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Damn, for a minute there I thought you were actually going to comment on the topic I’d raised. Y’all are hopeless on this subject and i give up.

    Moe: I commented on your topic of the subway atrocities and you have no reply. I live west of Austin Texas. We’ve had no subway atrocities here. My community is tolerant, polite and well-armed. We are not particularly “multi-cultural”, although we do have blacks and Mexicans in the community. Everyone seems to get along just fine. There is almost not crime here.


  227. Calo
    227 | December 30, 2012 8:07 pm

    New thread -- Take A Shot


  228. Moe Katz
    228 | December 30, 2012 8:09 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Huck, there are now barriers in a number of cities worldwide that prevent people from being pushed on the track—e.g. London and Madrid, IIRC. NY cannot easily do it because the rolling stock is of mixed origin and so the spacing of the doors on the coaches varies. It’s certainly not an intrinsically silly idea to add protection of that kind to a subway system.

    What interested me about the two subway crimes was the inter-ethnic dimensions; the old minority perps (AA and Hispanic) versus the immigrant perps (East Asian and South Asian, respectively). Yes, that’s off topic.


  229. Moe Katz
    229 | December 30, 2012 8:10 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    I mean, of couse, old minority perps versus immigrant VICTIMS.


  230. huckfunn
    230 | December 30, 2012 8:11 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    What you are not reckoning with, Huck, is that 20 kids being slaughtered causes a gut reaction nationwide that can’t be soothed with trivializing statistics showing how rare this sort of thing really is — and arguing that it’s within the limits of acceptable risk as you do will sound really callous and make the pro-gun community look really nasty.

    I have reckoned with it, Moe. The “nationwide gut reaction” has been whipped up by the leftists, statists and the press. Tragic things happen to thousands of school children everyday. Some are caused by traffic accidents, fires, disease, abuse, neglect, weather and some are caused by firearms. Why do you refuse to address only the firearms and not the others which kill far more school children than firearms? Listen to yourself. I am not the one that sounds callous and nasty.


  231. Moe Katz
    231 | December 30, 2012 8:31 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    The “nationwide gut reaction” has been whipped up by the leftists, statists and the press.

    That sounds to me like shooting the messenger, and I don’t see how the media could have reported it any differently. The coverage I saw seemed neutral enough.huckfunn wrote:

    Tragic things happen to thousands of school children everyday. Some are caused by traffic accidents, fires, disease, abuse, neglect, weather and some are caused by firearms. Why do you refuse to address only the firearms and not the others which kill far more school children than firearms?

    Huck, the other bad things that happen to kids are not at issue here. This is about a horrendous incident that cannot be trivialized.


  232. huckfunn
    232 | December 30, 2012 8:35 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    Moe: My turn to give up. Cowboys are on and hopefully they won’t give up.

    Have a Happy New Year. :wink:


  233. Moe Katz
    233 | December 30, 2012 8:36 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Moe: My turn to give up. Cowboys are on and hopefully they won’t give up.
    Have a Happy New Year.

    Gotta go soon anyway to pick up my wife at the train station.

    Happy New Year to you and yours!


  234. Moe Katz
    234 | December 30, 2012 8:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Is piling on still worth 15 yards in the NFL?


  235. Prebanned
    235 | December 30, 2012 9:01 pm

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    A milita is a fighting unit comprised of civilians, well regulated means well armed, shall not be infringed means not limited even a little around the edges.

    The People of the United States can change this only by changing the Constitution.


  236. Prebanned
    236 | December 30, 2012 9:12 pm

    From Wikipedia, no kidding.

    The Second Amendment was debated and modified during sessions of the House on in late August 1789. These debates revolved primarily around risk of “mal-administration of the government” using the “religiously scrupulous” clause to destroy the militia as Great Britain had attempted to destroy the militia at the commencement of the American Revolution. These concerns were addressed by modifying the final clause, and on August 24, the House sent the following version to the Senate:

    A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
    The next day, August 25, the Senate received the Amendment from the House and entered it into the Senate Journal. When the Amendment was transcribed, the semicolon in the religious exemption portion was changed to a comma by the Senate scribe:

    A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.[91]
    By this time, the proposed right to keep and bear arms was in a separate amendment, instead of being in a single amendment together with other proposed rights such as the due process right. As a Representative explained, this change allowed each amendment to “be passed upon distinctly by the States.”[92] On September 4, the Senate voted to change the language of the Second Amendment by removing the definition of militia, and striking the conscientious objector clause:

    A well regulated militia, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.[93]
    The Senate returned to this amendment for a final time on September 9. A proposal to insert the words “for the common defence” next to the words “bear arms” was defeated.[94] The Senate then slightly modified the language and voted to return the Bill of Rights to the House. The final version passed by the Senate was:

    A well regulated militia being the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    The House voted on September 21, 1789 to accept the changes made by the Senate, but the amendment as finally entered into the House journal contained the additional words “necessary to”:

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[95]
    On December 15, 1791, the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments to the Constitution) was adopted, having been ratified by three-fourths of the States.

    It is your duty as an American to keep and bear arms sufficient to provide for the common defense.


  237. huckfunn
    237 | December 30, 2012 9:29 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    It is your duty as an American to keep and bear arms sufficient to provide for the common defense.

    Oops! Moe is a subject of Kanukistan.


  238. Calo
    238 | December 30, 2012 9:33 pm

    @ Prebanned:
    Moe, bearing arms and not having that right infringed upon is imprinted in our American soul (and I am not a gun owner). The current gun debate about the slaughter of the Sandy Hook kids is just a red herring, trying to incrementally take those rights away.

    I’m sorry, I disagree with you.


  239. huckfunn
    239 | December 30, 2012 9:38 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Prebanned:
    Moe, bearing arms and not having that right infringed upon is imprinted in our American soul (and I am not a gun owner). The current gun debate about the slaughter of the Sandy Hook kids is just a red herring, trying to incrementally take those rights away.

    I’m sorry, I disagree with you.

    Let’s correct that deficiency at the NRA convention in May.


  240. Calo
    240 | December 30, 2012 9:41 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    I already set Lobo up to teach me -- just don’t tell him that is what I am up to.

    And yes, next week I will do research in Cowtown.


  241. lobo91
    241 | December 30, 2012 9:44 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    People can always get guns at gun shows or through straw buyers, like the guy in upstate NY who shot the firemen.

    Not in Colorado, they can’t. Every gun sold at a gun show here requires a background check, just like in a store.

    The problem is that the background check system is flawed. Too much pertinent information isn’t in the system.


  242. lobo91
    242 | December 30, 2012 9:46 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    I already set Lobo up to teach me — just don’t tell him that is what I am up to.
    And yes, next week I will do research in Cowtown.

    Did you see my comment the other night about the difference between Texas and Colorado with regard to training?

    I can teach you to shoot, but if you want a Texas concealed carry permit, you’ll have to take a class from a state-authorized instructor there.


  243. Calo
    243 | December 30, 2012 9:46 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Crap!

    Foiled again!


  244. lobo91
    244 | December 30, 2012 9:50 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Crap!
    Foiled again!

    Texas is one of the states where they have a specified program of instruction, and they decide who gets to teach it. NM is another one.


  245. Calo
    245 | December 30, 2012 9:51 pm

    @ lobo91:
    No Lobo, I was teasing you thinking you were not around.

    Honestly, it would be difficult for me to learn from you.

    I’m a proud woman and would hate to make a mistake in front of you.


  246. huckfunn
    246 | December 30, 2012 10:02 pm

    Calo wrote:

    I’m a proud woman and would hate to make a mistake in front of you.

    He’d bark at you like the crusty old NCO he is. And I don’t mean that in a bad way. :mrgreen:


  247. lobo91
    247 | December 30, 2012 10:04 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    I’m a proud woman and would hate to make a mistake in front of you.
    He’d bark at you like the crusty old NCO he is. And I don’t mean that in a bad way.

    I would not…


  248. Calo
    248 | December 30, 2012 10:05 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    My dog is bigger than his dog. :shock:


  249. Moe Katz
    249 | December 30, 2012 10:08 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Oops! Moe is a subject of Kanukistan.

    I keep hearing that word “subject” around here, and I find it very revealing. You have hangups about the monarchy due to the completely distorted and mythologized version of history you get taught. Canada is a constitutional monarchy, and Her Majesty can no more infringe on my personal liberty than Obama can deprive you of yours. Such a bunch of malarkey you Americons believe in.


  250. lobo91
    250 | December 30, 2012 10:13 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Canada is a constitutional monarchy, and Her Majesty can no more infringe on my personal liberty than Obama can deprive you of yours.

    I think most people understand that, although it’s not really the point.

    While the queen has no real power over you, your parliament does. You have whatever rights they decide you get. That’s why you have crap like “human rights commissions” that get to decide what you can and can’t say.

    We’d lynch people like that.


  251. Calo
    251 | December 30, 2012 10:15 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    Biding my time, waiting to see if anyone notices Moe’s response and his typo. :cool:


  252. Moe Katz
    252 | December 30, 2012 10:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    We do have a Bill of Rights and a Constitution in Canada, but in general we are a bit less libertarian than our neighbors to the south. That’s our choice, though. We prefer to have laws about hate speech and stuff like that. On the other hand, this country ranks higher on the economic freedom index and we have much lower corporate taxes.


  253. Moe Katz
    253 | December 30, 2012 10:22 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Biding my time, waiting to see if anyone notices Moe’s response and his typo.

    What typo? That’s a neologism, and I hope to become famous if no one else has thought of it.


  254. Moe Katz
    254 | December 30, 2012 10:23 pm

    Don’t really know whether I’d choose the Royals or the Obamas, though. Trailer trash, pick your color…


  255. huckfunn
    255 | December 30, 2012 10:26 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Oops! Moe is a subject of Kanukistan.

    I keep hearing that word “subject” around here, and I find it very revealing. You have hangups about the monarchy due to the completely distorted and mythologized version of history you get taught. Canada is a constitutional monarchy, and Her Majesty can no more infringe on my personal liberty than Obama can deprive you of yours. Such a bunch of malarkey you Americons believe in.

    I know as much, or more about the topic of subject v citizen as you do, so don’t presume to talk down to me. My father was a British subject, living in California in 1943, when he was called up under the U.S. draft. He wanted to be a flier, but at the time aliens were prohibited from serving in the U.S. Army Air Corps. He went to Canada, joined the RCAF, went through basic and was transferred to England where he served out the rest of his enlistment in the RAF. The only thing he ever flew was a truck. At any rate, your provincial prejudices are showing when you assume that some of us don’t understand. I have relatives (only 1 generation removed), who were subjects of the Empire. They were born, served, died and are buried in Tasmania, England, India and Canada.


  256. Moe Katz
    256 | December 30, 2012 10:29 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Huck, I’ve had the word “subject” thrown at me about three times in this thread, and it seems each time that the implication is that I’m less free than an American would be and don’t appreciate American liberty, etc.


  257. Moe Katz
    257 | December 30, 2012 10:32 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    Alas, “Americons” is not original.


  258. huckfunn
    258 | December 30, 2012 10:41 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    I’m less free than an American would be and don’t appreciate American liberty, etc.

    There you have it. You are less free. The UK and Commonwealth SUBJECTS are not governed by a Constitution as are Americans. You are governed by British Common Law which is constantly being modified by Parliament and adjudicated by courts beyond your electoral recourse. Sadly, the U.S. is going down the primrose path of the latter. At any rate, you have no Bill of Rights.


  259. Calo
    259 | December 30, 2012 10:42 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    @ Moe Katz:
    Biding my time, waiting to see if anyone notices Moe’s response and his typo.

    What typo? That’s a neologism, and I hope to become famous if no one else has thought of it.

    Meh, it was sarcasm.

    You don’t make typos.


  260. Moe Katz
    260 | December 30, 2012 10:48 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Actually, we have a Constitution and a Charter of Rights and Freedoms since 1982.

    Also, with respect to Lobo’s point, Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, which restricted certain kinds of speech, was repealed by parliament.

    In general, I concur with your prediction that the US will drift a bit more toward the collectivism of Canada and Europe.


  261. Moe Katz
    261 | December 30, 2012 10:50 pm

    @ Calo:
    Ouch!


  262. huckfunn
    262 | December 30, 2012 10:57 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Actually, we have a Constitution and a Charter of Rights and Freedoms since 1982.

    But no Right to Bear Arms which is a fundamental right under the U.S. 2nd Amendment. Therefore, the unarmed citizens-subjects (whatever) of the Commonwealth nations will always be subjects of the armed government.


  263. Moe Katz
    263 | December 30, 2012 11:16 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    So we’re back to the idea of guns being there to protect the citizenry from the government. I believe the Second Amendment was aimed at preventing the British from coming back, and that the idea of citizens taking up arms against the new US government was the farthest thing from their minds. I’m open to having my opinion changed by real evidence, however.


  264. Moe Katz
    264 | December 30, 2012 11:16 pm

    Orthodox Jewish women have no right to bare arms, by the way.


  265. huckfunn
    265 | December 30, 2012 11:29 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    So we’re back to the idea of guns being there to protect the citizenry from the government. I believe the Second Amendment was aimed at preventing the British from coming back, and that the idea of citizens taking up arms against the new US government was the farthest thing from their minds. I’m open to having my opinion changed by real evidence, however.

    As to the original intent of the 2nd Amendment, here are some writings and quotations from some of the original framers of the Constitution and their contemporaries. Check it out.

    “What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty…. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.” (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}])

    “…to disarm the people -- that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

    “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed -- unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)

    “the ultimate authority … resides in the people alone,” (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper #46.)

    “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States” (Noah Webster in ‘An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution’, 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56(New York, 1888))

    “…if raised, whether they could subdue a Nation of freemen, who know how to prize liberty, and who have arms in their hands?” (Delegate Sedgwick, during the Massachusetts Convention, rhetorically asking if an oppressive standing army could prevail, Johnathan Elliot, ed., Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, Vol.2 at 97 (2d ed., 1888))

    “…but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights…” (Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29.)

    “Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper No. 46.)

    “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” (Tench Coxe in ‘Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution’ under the Pseudonym ‘A Pennsylvanian’ in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)

    “Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people” (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)


  266. Moe Katz
    266 | December 30, 2012 11:41 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Thanks so much. Lemme mull that over and I promise to get back to you on it, I really am open-minded on this.


  267. huckfunn
    267 | December 30, 2012 11:51 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Thanks so much. Lemme mull that over and I promise to get back to you on it, I really am open-minded on this.

    You’re a good man and I appreciate the earnest and decent debate.

    G’nite.


  268. Prebanned
    268 | December 31, 2012 9:00 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    So we’re back to the idea of guns being there to protect the citizenry from the government. I believe the Second Amendment was aimed at preventing the British from coming back, and that the idea of citizens taking up arms against the new US government was the farthest thing from their minds. I’m open to having my opinion changed by real evidence, however.

    From @ 236 Prebanned:

    The Second Amendment was debated and modified during sessions of the House on in late August 1789. These debates revolved primarily around risk of “mal-administration of the government” using the “religiously scrupulous” clause to destroy the militia as Great Britain had attempted to destroy the militia at the commencement of the American Revolution. These concerns were addressed by modifying the final clause, and on August 24, the House sent the following version to the Senate:

    A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.

    The Second Amemdment protects citizens from the Government, it is not a myth and whoever told you that lied to you.
    What other lies have they told you?

    People can still argue if the Founders were wrong about the Second Amendment but if They want to infringe upon our rights to keep and bear arms, They will have to amend the Constitution.


  269. 269 | December 31, 2012 10:31 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Orthodox Jewish women have no right to bare arms, by the way.

    LOL!

    But they can BEAR them. AFAIK they serve in the IDF.

    @ huckfunn:
    We don’t want to bash Canadians or other British subjects! We have Canadian and Australian contributors on 1389 Blog and they provide a valuable perspective on the news that we wouldn’t get any other way.

    If you want some real conservative news, go on YouTube and watch the Sun News shows from Canada. They cover US issues too.


  270. huckfunn
    270 | December 31, 2012 12:58 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    We don’t want to bash Canadians or other British subjects

    I didn’t bash anyone so save your scolding for someone else. Moe and I had a decent and polite debate.


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