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40 Years Ago Today….Clemente Does His Last Act of Kindness

by coldwarrior ( 212 Comments › )
Filed under Baseball, History, Open thread, Sports at December 31st, 2012 - 12:00 pm

 

Part 1 is from September 30, 40 Years Ago Today….Clemente Gets His Last Hit

 

I am informed that I actually Saw Roberto play, My Dad and Grandad took me to Forbes field a couple of times when I was very young. Clemente is still with us in the city. He has a bridge, a statue, an outfield wall in his honor, and the first Latino inducted into Cooperstown. It’s a sad New Year’s Eve.

 

Roberto Clemente has been gone longer than he lived.

He died in a plane crash 40 years ago Monday, New Year‘s Eve, after putting his 38 years on earth to extraordinary use. He left behind 18 Hall of Fame seasons with the Pirates, images of a distinct style and demeanor on and off the field, and a body of humanitarian work authored by a conscience rarely displayed anymore.

Yet perhaps an equally unique aspect of Clemente‘s life and death is that his legacy remains powerful and instructive, and it might be expanding.

Think of how the city and world have changed since Dec. 31, 1972, when his DC-7, an airplane too old and too small yet bearing supplies for Nicaraguan earthquake victims, crashed into the Caribbean Sea just off Puerto Rico. But Clemente remains alive to Pirates fans, even though those who saw him play would be approaching at least 50.

“The mythic aspects of baseball … usually draw on cliches of the innocent past,” David Maraniss wrote in his 2006 biography, “Clemente: The Passion and Grace of Baseball‘s Last Hero.” Clemente‘s myth, he continues, “arcs the other way, to the future, not the past, to what people hope they can become.”

 

Those who knew him knew the talented ballplayer was a complicated person, buoyant, prickly, sometimes difficult. He could almost simultaneously display joy and anger, compassion and resentment, grace and fury.

In 2004, a New York nonprofit planned to fly supplies to Nicaragua on the 32nd anniversary of Clemente‘s death to fulfill his mission. Instead, the effort coordinated by his son, Roberto Clemente Jr., was diverted to assist victims of the South Asia tsunami and earthquake.

Major League Baseball has a Roberto Clemente Day — the only other player so honored is Jackie Robinson — and a Roberto Clemente Award for humanitarian achievements.

“This is the most meaningful thing I could ever win,” Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw said as the 2012 recipient, a year after winning the Cy Young Award.

Two years ago, capping the Pirates‘ 50th anniversary celebration of the team‘s 1960 World Series triumph, Major League Baseball Network screened a film of the decisive Game 7 that ended with Bill Mazeroski‘s game-winning home run.

The audience at Byham Theater naturally erupted over that, but “the only person who really stirred the crowd was Clemente,” said veteran broadcaster Bob Costas, the emcee. “He didn‘t really have a big seventh game. But he‘d make a catch and they applauded. They showed him on the on-deck circle and they applauded. They applauded every single time they saw him.”

Playing right field during a golden age of outfielders such as Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle, Frank Robinson and other stars, Clemente wasn‘t necessarily the best. But he was “distinctive,” said Costas, and that endures.

“He had a presence that went beyond the average major league ballplayer,” said Pirates broadcaster and ex-pitcher Steve Blass, who gave the eulogy at Clemente‘s memorial service. “Not only the way he played, but the way he handled life.”

Born poor in Puerto Rico, baseball‘s first Latino superstar earned iconic stature with Hispanics. He became an inspiration to succeeding Latino ballplayers “not just because he was in the first generation of Hispanic stars but because he carried himself with that dignity and pride,” Costas said.

“He stood for something beyond athletic excellence. We use the word, ‘hero,‘ all the time in sports but even before that flight to Nicaragua that never got there, there was something about Clemente that was in a sense heroic. And if not heroic, then deeply admirable.”

On Dec. 23, 1972, Pittsburghers went bonkers over the Steelers and Franco Harris‘ Immaculate Reception. Then Clemente died and “the shoulders of Pittsburgh slumped,” Blass said. Costas said Clemente‘s death “amplified what he was in life.”

Said Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig: “I keep saying that baseball is a social institution with great responsibility, and I keep thinking of Clemente. What he did was beyond heroic. Whether or not he should have gotten on the plane, it‘s not important. He was going to do the right thing.”

In his hometown of Carolina, a lasting monument is the 304-acre Ciudad Deportiva (Sports City) Roberto Clemente, an athletic and educational facility for kids. Clemente‘s wife, Vera, and her sons assist in its operation. In the larger scope, the family serves as keepers of the flame, with educational and charitable ventures.

“His following keeps growing,” said photographer Duane Rieder, who converted a firehouse into the Clemente Museum, crammed with artifacts he collects.

“It started out quiet and small,” Rieder said of the museum, “and now the phone rings off the hook and we get emails every day, people requesting tours.”

We might learn even more about Clemente. Rieder said elderly Puerto Ricans who knew Clemente feel compelled to share stories he made them promise they would never tell. “They‘re nearing the end of their life and they don‘t want to take them to the grave,” Rieder said.

One such tale involves a cousin of Vera‘s named Jacob, who used a wheelchair. As the story goes, Clemente during a family gathering took Jacob aside “and started working on him,” and he has walked ever since, Rieder said.

The story sounds fantastic but Vera Clemente confirmed the gist of it, noting that Clemente‘s chronic back and neck ailments gave him insight into dealing with maladies. He apparently had natural chiropractic skills.

“He had big hands, very strong hands and fingers, and he knew what to do,” Vera said. She said Clemente had a post-retirement goal of opening a free health clinic in Puerto Rico for the poor.

Sometimes his projects were smaller. In Pittsburgh, Rieder said, Clemente frequently read to the blind and performed other acts of kindness in secret.

“He was always trying to help people,” Vera Clemente said. “He would help people on the side of the road if they had car trouble, even if he didn‘t know them. He did it from his heart. He never talked about it.”

 

 

 

December 30, 2012 12:09 am
By Michael Sanserino / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The sports world is rich with hyperbole.

Athletes are gladiators and warriors. Games are battles and stadiums are battlefields. Those who can throw the hardest and run the fastest are casually called heroes.

But what happens when an in-game hero becomes a real one?

Forty years ago Monday, Roberto Clemente boarded a plane to deliver humanitarian supplies to earthquake victims in Nicaragua. Furious that prior deliveries had been confiscated by a corrupt Nicaraguan government, Clemente decided to travel with another shipment of supplies to ensure the people who needed help would get it.

But shortly after a nighttime takeoff from San Juan International Airport, the DC-7 that carried Clemente, 38, banked left and plummeted into the sea. All five people onboard died.

That tragedy helped define Clemente’s lasting legacy. But it also impacted countless others — those who knew him personally, those who admired him professionally and those of future generations he would come to inspire.

These are some of their stories.

The son

Roberto Clemente Jr. bubbled with excitement when he woke up at his family’s Puerto Rico home on New Year’s Eve. He was looking forward to a party the family was throwing later that night, and many of his friends from the United States were on their way.

Clemente Jr., who was 7, peered into his parents’ room, but no one was there. He found his father, Roberto Clemente, and his mother, Vera, talking at the dining room table. When his mother turned to leave, an ugly feeling filled Clemente Jr.

“It was a message saying ‘Don’t get on the plane because the plane is going to crash,’” he said.

The Clemente family had a busy day ahead of them — Vera Clemente had to pick up party guests and get the house ready, and Roberto Clemente had to load supplies at the airport. So Clemente Jr. and his young siblings went to his grandmother’s house so his parents could tend to their tasks.

That morning at the dining room table was the last time Clemente Jr. saw his father. He wept as he said goodbye.

“He said ‘I’ll see you when I get back,’” Clemente Jr. recalled.

“And I said ‘No, I’m never going to see you again.’

“I was very sure about what I was saying. I felt it. I always look back, and in my mind, I wish I could have done something else. But I’m 7 years old. What else could I do? I went through my life feeling guilty that I didn’t do more.”

That night, he heard his mother scream through the phone at his grandmother’s house, and he knew what had happened.

It would be three days after his father’s death until Clemente Jr. finally returned home. When he did, it was madness. There were hundreds of mourners, police cars on the streets and helicopters circling.

A family friend grabbed Clemente Jr. and led him on a walk.

“You’re the man of the house now,” the friend told him.

Since that day, Clemente Jr. has been a caretaker for his mother and his two younger brothers. He has also been a caretaker of his father’s legacy.

The family has worked closely with producers on a movie, “Baseball’s Last Hero,” which will open in 2013. Awards and charities in Clemente’s name live on, in part, because of Clemente Jr. and his family.

“That’s really a credit to Dad for choosing the perfect woman to be his wife and the mother of his kids,” Clemente Jr. said. “She has kept his legacy and his spirit alive. She, unto this day, she’s still married to Dad.”

A close call

The community of Winter Ball baseball players in Puerto Rico was a small one, said Tom Walker, and just about everybody involved knew Roberto Clemente was gathering relief supplies to send to Nicaragua. Clemente bought newspaper ads and even appeared on television, pleading directly to Puerto Ricans to donate to the cause.

Walker was 24 and had just finished his first season as a major league ballplayer. He met Clemente, an idol of his, one year earlier while playing his first season of Winter Ball. In 1971 he played for Clemente’s team, but this year he was an opponent.

Thousands of miles from his family on New Year’s Eve and with little to do otherwise, Walker spent the day helping Clemente. First, he loaded supplies from the stadium onto trucks to be delivered to the airport. Then, he drove to the airport to help load supplies onto the four-engine plane.

“They were loading it to the Nth degree,” Walker said. “Every spot on that plane, every space was being loaded with goods, clothes, whatever.”

The plane was overloaded, crash investigators later concluded, but Walker said it never occurred to anyone helping with supplies that it might be unsafe.

When he finished loading supplies, Walker asked Clemente if he could join him on the flight. He didn’t have anything to do that night, other than celebrate the New Year, and knew it would not be a very long trip.

“No,” Clemente told him. “Go party.”

“There was no arguing with the man,” Walker said.

So, Walker headed back to his car to leave the airport.

“There are things that happen to all of us in our minds that you can’t get rid of,” he said. “That’s one of them — leaving the airplane, turning around and looking back at them shoring up that airplane. I remember waving to Roberto, and he waved back. And that was the end of it.”

Years later, Walker met a Pittsburgh girl named Carolyn and settled down in Western Pennsylvania. In 1985, the couple gave birth to a son, Neil, one of the top young players on the Pirates’ roster today.

“Sitting there at the ballpark, I can’t go to the park without thinking about Roberto Clemente,” Walker said. “It’s not like I dwell on it or anything, but I don’t think Neil can either. We’ve talked about it a little bit.

“If you think about where the dugout is, he comes out of the dugout, he goes to second base, the Clemente Wall is right in front of him. He knows if I would have gotten on that aircraft, I would be gone. There would be no Neil.”

Waiting for a friend

A group of ballplayers were standing around, telling stories when Manny Sanguillen arrived at about 9 p.m. to a New Year’s Eve party in Puerto Rico. He wanted to jump into the conversation, but he remembered something his good friend Roberto Clemente had told him.

Take a minute to listen before jumping into a conversation, Sanguillen remembered his friend telling him, “So you don’t look stupid.”

Sanguillen and Clemente were teammates for six years, including 1971 when the team won the World Series.

It was at that moment, as Sanguillen was thinking about Clemente, that Pirates teammate Richie Zisk interrupted the group to say that an airplane must have crashed offshore because as he was heading to the party, he noticed a helicopter circling around.

Hours later, Sanguillen got a knock on his door from Luis Mayoral, a friend of Clemente’s, who told Sanguillen that Clemente had died in that crash.

As dozens of friends and teammates arrived in Puerto Rico for Clemente’s funeral, Sanguillen strapped on an oxygen tank to dive in the deep waters, hoping to find his friend alive.

Though parts of the plane were recovered, Clemente’s body was never found.

Rough waters that day did not change Sanguillen’s resolve. He believed he would find his friend alive. He stayed in Puerto Rico another two weeks and walked the beach daily, hoping he would find Clemente swimming ashore.

The young ballplayer

Shortly after waking up on New Year’s Day, Clint Hurdle found his father in the family’s living room in Merritt Island, Fla.

Hurdle, 15, expected to spend the holiday the same as he had for most of his youth — watching the Rose Bowl Parade in the morning, eating turkey and catching a couple of college bowl games on TV. But before he could begin that routine, his father stopped him.

“Hey,” Hurdle’s father said, “I’ve got some bad news.”

“At the age of 15, bad news — you never know where that’s going to go,” Hurdle said. “But I said ‘Dad, what is it?’

“He says ‘Roberto Clemente was killed last night in a plane wreck.’”

By that time in his life, Hurdle was already thinking he might have a future as a baseball player. But he had been a fan of the game his entire life.

His love of the game was something he developed with his father, Clint Hurdle Sr. The elder Hurdle had his favorites, namely Yankee great Mickey Mantle. The younger Hurdle favored Tigers legend Al Kaline and Orioles hall of famer Brooks Robinson.

And they shared a fondness for Clemente. And as the news seeped in that Monday morning, the two shared some of their Clemente memories.

“We talked about ‘Wow, he just got his 3,000th hit,’” Hurdle said.

“I won’t say it had the same weight as when JFK passed, but it was one of those moments that I’ll remember,” Hurdle said. “My dad having that conversation with me, it was a very sad moment.”

A few years later, Hurdle had developed as a ballplayer and as a fan of the game. Now he shared spring training diamonds with them. He asked questions of teammates and opposing players about some of the greats of the game — Who had the best arm? Who had the best swing?

And when he traveled with the Kansas City Royals from Fort Myers to Bradenton, he sought out some of the Pirates who played with Clemente.

“The message came back the same, never varied,” he said. “‘Focused, prepared, played with a passion.’”

Since he has been hired as the Pirates’ manager Hurdle has been on a mission to “re-bond” this city with its baseball team. It’s a challenging task for a club that lost its most beloved superstar 40 years ago and hasn’t had a winning season in 20.

But Hurdle knows what that standard he would like to meet. The Pirates, he said, were the crown jewel of the National League. And a lot of that had to do with No. 21.

Hero to many

Starling Marte was born in 1988 in the Dominican Republic. But he grew up like millions of other Latin American kids idolizing a ballplayer who had died decades earlier.

The name “Clemente” has special meaning in Pittsburgh and is revered throughout the country. But in Latin American countries, especially those where baseball is an obsession, “Clemente” is a source of pride.

Clemente was born in Puerto Rico. But he died while trying to aid another Latin American country and now, the entire region embraces him.

Marte and the Venezuelan-born Jose Tabata, both outfielders for the Pirates, have talked in the past about what an honor it is to play wearing “Pirates” across their chests, the only jersey Clemente wore in 18 major league seasons. Tabata even has “21″ tattooed on his chest.

Some older friends of Marte helped to teach him about Clemente — his work off the field and his success on it. Some were old enough to remember Clemente reach his 3,000th hit — the final hit of his career — in 1972.

“It was a very sad ending, the way he died for being the type of player he was and knowing a lot of people weren’t going to watch him play again,” Marte said through Luis Silverio, a senior advisor to the Pirates’ Latin American operations.

Marte has a few older friends from Puerto Rico that have spoken to him about the Clemente legacy. They talk about the last hits he had.

Clemente’s shadow looms large for all Latin American players but especially in Pittsburgh, where a 21-foot wall and a big yellow bridge bear his name. Marte can see both every time he steps to the plate.

“I want to try to be the best player I can, close to what Clemente was,” Marte said. “I want to do the little things I heard he did as a ballplayer.”

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  1. 1 | December 31, 2012 12:20 pm

    Great story.


  2. heysoos
    2 | December 31, 2012 12:34 pm

    after Clemete’s time baseball was never the same…designated hitter, lowered mound, shrinking strike zone, and the worst is the prima dona attitude that seemed to engulf even average players


  3. 3 | December 31, 2012 12:47 pm

    But Mr. Costas, Clemente was the best, maybe not yet in 1960, but through his entire career. Certainly there was no match for Clemente’s ability in the field, and Willie Mays himself saw that and acknowledged it by his insistence on playing along side Clemente in the Puerto Rican Winter League so that Clemente might teach him some of his fielding technique.

    Nelson Briles tells a story of being on the mound one day against the Reds late in September. Joe Morgan was batting and Clemente refused to be positioned according to the scouting report, which said morgan was a pull hitter. Clemente insisted on shading the gap instead, and Briles refused to pitch until Clemente moved to the line. The next pitch saw a shot rocket towards the gap in right center, where Briles was sure he had just lost the game in late September. “I looked up to confirm losing the game for my team, and there camped under the ball and actually waiting for it was Roberto, in the gap from where I had moved him/” In the dugout, Clemente confirmed that he moved back, because he could tell that Briles, “had his good stuff that day,” and Clemente knew that there was no way Morgan would be able to swing in time to pull the ball down the line.

    Clemente made the impossible plays in right field, and he always made them look routine. Every one who saw him play would ask, “did he just do that?” It’s not very often that you say of a player with 3000 hits, but batting was the secondary part of his game, the thing he did second best. The two right fielders who followed Clemente in Pittsburgh were Richie Zisk and Davie Parker, both of them good ball players in their own right, and both of them run out of Pittsburgh for not being Clemente.

    The games measure is always based on offensive statistics, and in that area he was no slouch either. The most impressive thing that Clemente could do was to slap a ball foul that came anywhere near the plate. He would never take a full swing at a pitch unless it was what he wanted thrown. Clemente taking two quick strikes was an almost every time event. Having him at O-2 was by no means a pitchers count in Roberto’s case however. That third strike almost never happened. During the 71 world series, during game 7, Jim Palmer famously walked off of the mound to discuss matters with Clemente after one such battle. getting tired of seeing Roberto’s mug for such an extended period of time, Palmer asked Roberto, what pitch he might like, and where would he like it located. Challenge accepted, that pitch ended up being pivotal in a game that ended up as Palmer’s loss in a 2 -- 1 series ending game.


  4. 4 | December 31, 2012 12:54 pm

    Breaking, from Reuters:

    Reuters: Emerging “fiscal cliff” deal would raise tax rates for individuals with income above $400,000 a year and households above $450,000 a year, according to source familiar with matter. Deal would include permanent alternative minimum tax fix, extend unemployment benefits for a year, source says.

    Well now, between extension of unemployment and the nifty pay raises Odumbo signed last week, that should pretty much spend all that new revenue.


  5. eaglesoars
    5 | December 31, 2012 12:59 pm

    CW, I DID meet him. I was still quite young, maybe 7 (1959). Dad took me to a game at Forbes Field. We went down to the field to watch the players warm up pre-game. I got Smokey Burgess’ autograph (since lost in the Election Day flood -- along with Arnold Palmer’s).

    Clemente came bounding out and Dad yelled “HEY!! ROBERTO!!” and waved him over. I got a serious case of ‘the shys’ and buried my face in Dad’s belt buckle. I could hear Clemente laugh and he took my hand and shook it gently. I finally looked at him out of the corner of my eye and said ‘thank you’ and that was it.

    Last Christmas Hubby gave me an original Clemente baseball card, authenticated. God only knows what it’s worth.


  6. 6 | December 31, 2012 1:04 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I wonder if they’re going to end the “Payroll Tax Holiday” or extend it, then declare a new “crisis” over lack of Social Security and Medicare funding?


  7. 7 | December 31, 2012 1:09 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Well now, between extension of unemployment and the nifty pay raises Odumbo signed last week, that should pretty much spend all that new revenue.

    They don’t call them Tax-and-Spend Democrats for nothing. They’ll tax us until we bleed dry, and spend as much as the Chinese will loan us. I reckon that’s on target to cost us $1.6 trillion this year in new debt. And we get nothing for it. We are going bankrupt, and neither side has the guts to admit that and actually do something about it. We’ll get to where we can’t even pay interest on the debt, and that is with interest rates at a record low. If and when interest rates go up, we are well and truly screwed.


  8. 8 | December 31, 2012 1:11 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yup.


  9. RIX
    9 | December 31, 2012 1:18 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Obama is scheduled to take full credit & bash Republicans at 1:30 EST.
    The pundits at NBC & ObaMSNBC will swoon over how he heroically returned
    from vacation on a luxury taxpayer provided jet, to save the day.
    Washington crossing the Delaware pales in comparison.


  10. 10 | December 31, 2012 1:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Rodan:

    And nothing about reducing SPENDING, which is what the problem really is. They are going to essentially borrow to pay for pay raises -- if a business tried to do that, they’d be laughed out of the bank.

    @ MacDuff:

    That was set to expire today, I believe. Personally, I think the reason for this whole “payroll tax holiday” is to put Social Security in a worse hole than it’s in now (if that’s even fiscally possible) in order to form the basis for the 401K and IRA grab. Think of it as “Fast and Furious” to get to your independent retirement account.


  11. heysoos
    11 | December 31, 2012 1:21 pm

    @ RIX:
    he deserves his own holiday!


  12. 12 | December 31, 2012 1:26 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    That right there is the truly sickening thing about all of this. Done by the way, without participation by the House. This was a deal between Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid. We can only hope that the House does its duty, which we all know they won’t.


  13. 13 | December 31, 2012 1:28 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Personally, I think the reason for this whole “payroll tax holiday” is to put Social Security in a worse hole than it’s in now (if that’s even fiscally possible) in order to form the basis for the 401K and IRA grab.

    I absolutely believe that. Creation of a sense of urgency is the hallmark of this administration.


  14. 14 | December 31, 2012 1:30 pm

    @ RIX:

    Tom Marr subbed for Mark Levin on Friday and was snotty to a caller that said that Obama “really doesn’t like this country” by saying “well, don’t say that -- he’s all of our President and I think it isn’t that he doesn’t like this country, but he wants to change it.”

    Dude, you need to start listening to the host whose show your subbing for. Levin has stated over and over again, and I agree with him, that Obama LOATHES this nation, hates how it was founded, hates the Constitution, and hates conservatives. If this jerk could wipe out the bill of rights, the amendments and the constitution with the stroke of a pen, he’d do it.

    He loves the princely trappings. He loves his multi-million dollar jet-set lifestyle paid for on the backs of the taxpayers. He does no real work -- he’s like a Middle Eastern potentate who could care less about the back-breaking going on by the little people to keep him in the style to which he’s become accustomed. [Until he needs their vote, of course - then he's ALLLLL about the great unwashed.]


  15. 15 | December 31, 2012 1:32 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Indeed. They’re still prattling about “gun control” but Obama can’t do a damn thing, really. The NRA and GOA are not going to back down because the impo’tent potentate demands it. The country is not supporting him on this.


  16. 16 | December 31, 2012 1:37 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Indeed. They’re still prattling about “gun control” but Obama can’t do a damn thing, really. The NRA and GOA are not going to back down because the impo’tent potentate demands it. The country is not supporting him on this.

    I hope you’re right, but my opinion of the sagacity of the American people is trending downward at this point, while our gullibility is trending upward.


  17. 17 | December 31, 2012 1:38 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The last time the Dems crammed a gun control bill through the Congress they lost control of both Houses for the first time in 40 years. They can’t get it through the House unless the Republican Party comitts suicide, so they are just blathering. Still, it is worrisome. I don’t trust the Republicans on gun control. They never repealed the “Assault Weapons” ban. If it hadn’t had a sunset clause, it would still be law of the land. I don’t think the Republicans will sell us out on this, though I’d like it more if Boehner made it explicit that they won’t.


  18. 18 | December 31, 2012 1:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t think the Republicans will sell us out on this

    I they do the GOP will fracture into 3 parties.


  19. brookly red
    19 | December 31, 2012 1:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t think the Republicans will sell us out on this

    I they do the GOP will fracture into 3 parties.

    I don’t see a down side, competition is the American way :)


  20. 20 | December 31, 2012 1:45 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I agree.


  21. 21 | December 31, 2012 1:46 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Poll numbers aren’t with the Democrats, Obama, Feinstein, and the hypocrite asshats in the entertainment industry. Obama said on Meet the Press that the American public agree with him that cops in schools isn’t a solution.

    WRONG Dumbass -- 62% think it’s a step in making schools safer.


  22. brookly red
    22 | December 31, 2012 1:47 pm

    Oh, and here is a little ditty the MSM would rather you did not see…

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/bombmaking_in_the_village_LoRDqNzP02SDZyfC1pLVXN


  23. 23 | December 31, 2012 1:47 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ MacDuff:
    Indeed. They’re still prattling about “gun control” but Obama can’t do a damn thing, really. The NRA and GOA are not going to back down because the impo’tent potentate demands it. The country is not supporting him on this.
    I hope you’re right, but my opinion of the sagacity of the American people is trending downward at this point, while our gullibility is trending upward.

    That.


  24. 24 | December 31, 2012 1:50 pm

    Anybody watching these “remarks”? It’s a f**cking pep rally!


  25. 25 | December 31, 2012 1:50 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    No polling agrees with them. None. Not even right after Newtown. Gun sales went way up, and I imagine whoever made the decision at Dick’s Sporting Goods to jump on the Obama gun control bandwagon and ban gun sales is probably going to see himself unemployed after a decent interval. There will be no uptick in liberal customers and the conservatives are basically saying “FU.”


  26. 26 | December 31, 2012 1:51 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    No, I never watch Obama speak anymore. I always want to tear my face off simply as a distraction.


  27. lobo91
    27 | December 31, 2012 1:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m more worried about what they’ll try to do administratively, regardless of whether or not he actually has the legal authority to do so. It’s not like he cares what courts tell him, after all.

    Feinstein’s ridiculous new bill would basically redefine most semi-auto rifles as being machine guns so that they’d fall under the NFA.

    I wouldn’t put it past Obama to have the ATF do it administratively, instead.


  28. heysoos
    28 | December 31, 2012 1:52 pm

    sagacity has flatlined….just like honesty and common sense
    I don’t even have hope anymore….the govt is dysfunctional at this point


  29. brookly red
    29 | December 31, 2012 1:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m more worried about what they’ll try to do administratively, regardless of whether or not he actually has the legal authority to do so. It’s not like he cares what courts tell him, after all.

    Feinstein’s ridiculous new bill would basically redefine most semi-auto rifles as being machine guns so that they’d fall under the NFA.

    I wouldn’t put it past Obama to have the ATF do it administratively, instead.

    now that is a concern, fiat has never been an issue for this one…


  30. 30 | December 31, 2012 1:54 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I wouldn’t put it past Obama to have the ATF do it administratively, instead.

    That worries me as well. If you’ll recall, Clinton did that with the Streetsweeper and USAS 12 shotguns. If he does it with semi-automatic weapons, though, he’ll face massive civil disobediance. They can’t lock everybody up.


  31. RIX
    31 | December 31, 2012 1:55 pm

    Dude, you need to start listening to the host whose show your subbing for. Levin has stated over and over again, and I agree with him, that Obama LOATHES this nation, hates how it was founded, hates the Constitution, and hates conservatives. If this jerk could wipe out the bill of rights, the amendments and the constitution with the stroke of a pen, he’d do it.

    Obama makes it clear in his memoirs how he feels about this nation.
    Like his father, he sees America as an evil, colonial power.
    He sees things through a racial prism.
    He found his soul mate, Michelle thinks that “America is a downright
    mean country.”


  32. RIX
    32 | December 31, 2012 2:01 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Did you notice that Obama had the elusive and exotic “Middle Class”
    creatures behind him?
    I found that very insulting.


  33. citizen_q
    33 | December 31, 2012 2:05 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    They are a hoot!


  34. 34 | December 31, 2012 2:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Did you notice that Obama had the elusive and exotic “Middle Class”
    creatures behind him?
    I found that very insulting.

    The unvarnished smugness was palpable, wasn’t it? Yeah, it’s highly insulting, the message was “these are people just like you and you should think like them”. The damned pep-rally atmosphere was characteristically undignified and inappropriate. I can’t recall anything quite like it.


  35. lobo91
    35 | December 31, 2012 2:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Did you notice that Obama had the elusive and exotic “Middle Class”
    creatures behind him?
    I found that very insulting.

    I assume that they were federal employees there on the clock.


  36. citizen_q
    36 | December 31, 2012 2:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    But he could make several well publicised examples. Not only would that be spun as after the fact justification, but would put a true scare into people and be a force multiplier for compliance.


  37. citizen_q
    37 | December 31, 2012 2:10 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    What about the doctors in the white coats supporting embalm-a-care?


  38. citizen_q
    38 | December 31, 2012 2:12 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    You are a stronger person than I. I can not longer stand watching him or hearing his voice.


  39. RIX
    39 | December 31, 2012 2:13 pm

    @ lobo91:
    That wouldn’t surprise me at all.
    Either that or union families.


  40. heysoos
    40 | December 31, 2012 2:15 pm

    @ RIX:
    Ovangelicals, probably paid to stand near him and swoon


  41. brookly red
    41 | December 31, 2012 2:15 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    That wouldn’t surprise me at all.
    Either that or union families.

    and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if some where in this “cliff” legislation they snuck in some real horror shows in the fine print…


  42. 42 | December 31, 2012 2:16 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    but would put a true scare into people and be a force multiplier for compliance.

    It could also start a civil war. People aren’t buying guns today to turn them in tomorrow. The problem isthat Obama buys his own bullshit. He thinks he is a god. That is very dangerous in someone with as much power as he has.


  43. 43 | December 31, 2012 2:16 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Really Obudmbo? Because I’m thinking those “middle class” people just got a raise…..paid for by me, who didn’t.


  44. 44 | December 31, 2012 2:16 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    You are a stronger person than I. I can not longer stand watching him or hearing his voice.

    Actually, the sound was creeping in from another room and I went in to see what the ruckus was about. It was nauseating.


  45. 45 | December 31, 2012 2:17 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Or the assistants and staff of any of the jurinalists in attendance. Maybe borrowed from the Washington Post.


  46. 46 | December 31, 2012 2:19 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Ovangelicals

    That’s a good one! (Consider it stolen) ;)


  47. brookly red
    47 | December 31, 2012 2:20 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    but would put a true scare into people and be a force multiplier for compliance.

    It could also start a civil war. People aren’t buying guns today to turn them in tomorrow. The problem isthat Obama buys his own bullshit. He thinks he is a god. That is very dangerous in someone with as much power as he has.

    it must infuriate him when the golf ball disobeys his commands…


  48. 48 | December 31, 2012 2:21 pm

    The smug bitch-props are on Fox News’ home page.


  49. 49 | December 31, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I am certain taht he just lies about his golf score. He is dishonest to the core.


  50. citizen_q
    50 | December 31, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I suspect pockets of violent resistance is a hoped for outcome. Komrade zero seems to be pushing for it.


  51. 51 | December 31, 2012 2:24 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I am certain taht he just lies about his golf score. He is dishonest to the core.

    Golf is a sport for men of honor, he mocks the game by virtue of his playing it.


  52. 52 | December 31, 2012 2:25 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    When you have the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex behind you, anything can be done.


  53. brookly red
    53 | December 31, 2012 2:26 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I am certain taht he just lies about his golf score. He is dishonest to the core.

    Golf Leadership is a sport for men of honor, he mocks the game by virtue of his playing it.

    a minor edit, with your permission of course :)


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | December 31, 2012 2:26 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    CW, I DID meet him. I was still quite young, maybe 7 (1959). Dad took me to a game at Forbes Field. We went down to the field to watch the players warm up pre-game. I got Smokey Burgess’ autograph (since lost in the Election Day flood — along with Arnold Palmer’s).
    Clemente came bounding out and Dad yelled “HEY!! ROBERTO!!” and waved him over. I got a serious case of ‘the shys’ and buried my face in Dad’s belt buckle. I could hear Clemente laugh and he took my hand and shook it gently. I finally looked at him out of the corner of my eye and said ‘thank you’ and that was it.
    Last Christmas Hubby gave me an original Clemente baseball card, authenticated. God only knows what it’s worth.

    wow!


  55. 55 | December 31, 2012 2:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    When you have the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex behind you, anything can be done.

    True, that, and were seeing living the proof of that.


  56. brookly red
    56 | December 31, 2012 2:29 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Last Christmas Hubby gave me an original Clemente baseball card, authenticated. God only knows what it’s worth.

    wow!

    somewhere in an IRS office a little red light is flashing…


  57. brookly red
    57 | December 31, 2012 2:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    When you have the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex behind you, anything can be done.

    I disagree… if they couldn’t do it with only 3 networks they can’t do it today, comrade.


  58. coldwarrior
    58 | December 31, 2012 2:32 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I am certain taht he just lies about his golf score. He is dishonest to the core.

    shankapotus


  59. coldwarrior
    59 | December 31, 2012 2:34 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Last Christmas Hubby gave me an original Clemente baseball card, authenticated. God only knows what it’s worth.
    wow!
    somewhere in an IRS office a little red light is flashing…

    cold.dead.fingers.


  60. coldwarrior
    60 | December 31, 2012 2:35 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Golf is a sport for men of honor, he mocks the game by virtue of his playing it.

    lying about your score is lying to yourself.

    so are mulligans.


  61. brookly red
    61 | December 31, 2012 2:37 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    cold.dead.fingers.

    bitter clinger… that is what they hoped you would say, then they get the card AND the estate tax. You lose comrade.


  62. heysoos
    62 | December 31, 2012 2:37 pm

    If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street,
    If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat,
    If you get too cold, I’ll tax the heat,
    If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.
    Taxman.


  63. coldwarrior
    63 | December 31, 2012 2:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    You lose comrade.

    дерьмо!


  64. coldwarrior
    64 | December 31, 2012 2:45 pm

    “All we have is a statement from her office. The hospital isn’t saying anything and the statement from her [office] says that she had this blood clot that stemmed from the concussion and she’s being treated with blood-thinning drugs,” Bazell continued. “The problem is that usually when blood clots come from concussions, they can’t be treated with blood [thinners.] So either it’s not really related to the concussion and she’s got a blood clot in her leg or something, or there’s something else going on that we’re not being told. And right now, we’re just sort of seeking that clarification and hoping for the best as she’s being observed.”

    there is some weird stuff going on.

    very very weird


  65. citizen_q
    65 | December 31, 2012 2:47 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I have been wondering about that as well.


  66. heysoos
    66 | December 31, 2012 2:48 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    maybe BO has her as a hostage until her condition dramatically worsens


  67. RIX
    67 | December 31, 2012 2:49 pm

    @ heysoos:
    It was an adoring crowd for a Deity.


  68. brookly red
    68 | December 31, 2012 2:50 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    дерьмо!

    you see comrade! better that you should voluntarily donate your ill gotten wealth to support deserving children of party workers… don’t you feel better already?


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | December 31, 2012 2:51 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I have been wondering about that as well.

    my wife and i are pretty much neurology specialists, we deal with cases like this all the time. there is some serious weirdness going on from what we have read.


  70. RIX
    70 | December 31, 2012 2:51 pm

    @ brookly red:
    On Chicago radio they are saying that McConnell & Biden had a deal,
    but that Obama added more demands & trashed the deal.


  71. 71 | December 31, 2012 2:52 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    lying about your score is lying to yourself.

    so are mulligans.

    Particularly the four-year mulligans when half the country lies to itself……


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | December 31, 2012 2:53 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    дерьмо!
    you see comrade! better that you should voluntarily donate your ill gotten wealth to support deserving children of party workers… don’t you feel better already?

    i do.

    i am thinking far more clearly now.


  73. brookly red
    73 | December 31, 2012 2:53 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    “All we have is a statement from her office. The hospital isn’t saying anything and the statement from her [office] says that she had this blood clot that stemmed from the concussion and she’s being treated with blood-thinning drugs,” Bazell continued. “The problem is that usually when blood clots come from concussions, they can’t be treated with blood [thinners.] So either it’s not really related to the concussion and she’s got a blood clot in her leg or something, or there’s something else going on that we’re not being told. And right now, we’re just sort of seeking that clarification and hoping for the best as she’s being observed.”

    there is some weird stuff going on.

    very very weird

    http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/clintonfriends.htm

    what goes around, comes around…


  74. Da_Beerfreak
    74 | December 31, 2012 2:54 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    After the collapse it will be a whole new ballgame, and the old rules will not apply. :evil:


  75. RIX
    75 | December 31, 2012 2:54 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    In order to believe that Hillary is pushing a scam, you would have to
    believe that the Clintons are chronic liars.
    Oh wait…………………


  76. 76 | December 31, 2012 2:56 pm

    @ RIX:

    My guess is if the blood clots and concussion fail, we’ll be moving on to “the heartbreak of Psoriasis” next.


  77. brookly red
    77 | December 31, 2012 2:56 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    In order to believe that Hillary is pushing a scam, you would have to
    believe that the Clintons are chronic liars.
    Oh wait…………………

    more likely she wanted the alligator to eat her last, and well it did.


  78. brookly red
    78 | December 31, 2012 2:57 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I have been wondering about that as well.

    my wife and i are pretty much neurology specialists, we deal with cases like this all the time. there is some serious weirdness going on from what we have read.

    just 0 doing some house cleaning… nothing to see here.


  79. 79 | December 31, 2012 2:58 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    My guess is if the blood clots and concussion fail, we’ll be moving on to “the heartbreak of Psoriasis” next.

    That joke betrays your age and the fact that I got it betrays mine. :D


  80. 80 | December 31, 2012 3:02 pm

    Isn’t it odd that throughout Hillary’s medical issues, real or not, Bill has not even been mentioned as even being around? True, theirs is not a “conventional marriage” (to say the least), but to not even go through the motions strikes me as bizarre and that no one has mentioned it even more so.


  81. 81 | December 31, 2012 3:02 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m trying to get a Twitter hashtag going -- “#HillarysNextAilment”


  82. citizen_q
    82 | December 31, 2012 3:02 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    my wife and i are pretty much neurology specialists, we deal with cases like this all the time. there is some serious weirdness going on from what we have read.

    I am not, but it is very fishy. Especially in light of Clinton’s avoidance of testifying about Benghazi.

    The clintons were practitioners, but the smoke and mirrors permeating the obama administration is dizzying. Purposefully so.


  83. RIX
    83 | December 31, 2012 3:02 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    My guess is if the blood clots and concussion fail, we’ll be moving on to “the heartbreak of Psoriasis” next.

    Not that! Then she would have a clear out not to testify.


  84. 84 | December 31, 2012 3:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Great story.

    It sure is.

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I am certain taht he just lies about his golf score. He is dishonest to the core.

    Indeed.

    MacDuff wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    @ MacDuff:
    You are a stronger person than I. I can not longer stand watching him or hearing his voice.

    Actually, the sound was creeping in from another room and I went in to see what the ruckus was about. It was nauseating.

    Television is OFF. We’re downloading Orthodox Christian podcasts. They’re available on Ancient Faith Radio, Patristic Nectar Publications, and YouTube.

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    What about the doctors in the white coats supporting embalm-a-care?

    I just had a distressing conversation with my 95 year old mother on the phone about that.

    Medicare is paying for less and less. Many doctors won’t take Medicare patients any more.

    On account of the national debt, inflation will soon eat up our retirement savings in US currency.

    I told her I might have some import/export sales work lined up (totally legit of course) where I’ll be paid in foreign currency in an overseas bank account. That’ll be the only way I’ll have anything to retire on or any way to pay for medical care.

    Iron Fist wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I wouldn’t put it past Obama to have the ATF do it administratively, instead.
    That worries me as well. If you’ll recall, Clinton did that with the Streetsweeper and USAS 12 shotguns. If he does it with semi-automatic weapons, though, he’ll face massive civil disobediance. They can’t lock everybody up.

    Indeed.


  85. Guggi
    85 | December 31, 2012 3:04 pm

    I’m going nuts. Since three weeks we are in a state of war. Shock and awe from about midday to early morning. I can’t stand it any longer and the police is apparently unable or unwilling to do anything.


  86. Da_Beerfreak
    86 | December 31, 2012 3:04 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m trying to get a Twitter hashtag going — “#HillarysNextAilment”

    Ring around the collar…


  87. brookly red
    87 | December 31, 2012 3:04 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Isn’t it odd that throughout Hillary’s medical issues, real or not, Bill has not even been mentioned as even being around? True, theirs is not a “conventional marriage” (to say the least), but to not even go through the motions strikes me as bizarre and that no one has mentioned it even more so.

    he is no doubt comforting Huma as we speak…


  88. 88 | December 31, 2012 3:06 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m trying to get a Twitter hashtag going — “#HillarysNextAilment”

    “Iron-poor blood”. She could single-handedly re-launch Geritol!


  89. RIX
    89 | December 31, 2012 3:06 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Here is what I don’t get, Obama says that Susan Rice was “the least informed
    about Benghazi.”
    Yet the adoring Media doesn’t ask him, ‘Then why did you send her out there.”
    Actually, I do get it.


  90. citizen_q
    90 | December 31, 2012 3:06 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    They are exceedingly strange creatures.

    I would not buy cable TV from them yet they are engineering our lives.


  91. coldwarrior
    91 | December 31, 2012 3:07 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    I’m going nuts. Since three weeks we are in a state of war. Shock and awe from about midday to early morning. I can’t stand it any longer and the police is apparently unable or unwilling to do anything.

    ?

    what is going on?


  92. brookly red
    92 | December 31, 2012 3:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Here is what I don’t get, Obama says that Susan Rice was “the least informed
    about Benghazi.”
    Yet the adoring Media doesn’t ask him, ‘Then why did you send her out there.”
    Actually, I do get it.

    well if he was more informed that kinda sounds like a confession to me…


  93. RIX
    93 | December 31, 2012 3:09 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m trying to get a Twitter hashtag going — “#HillarysNextAilment”

    “Iron-poor blood”. She could single-handedly re-launch Geritol!

    How about her facelift fell?


  94. coldwarrior
    94 | December 31, 2012 3:09 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ MacDuff:
    I’m trying to get a Twitter hashtag going — “#HillarysNextAilment”

    “Iron-poor blood”. She could single-handedly re-launch Geritol!

    lets not forget ‘halitosis’


  95. brookly red
    95 | December 31, 2012 3:10 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m trying to get a Twitter hashtag going — “#HillarysNextAilment”

    Ring around the collar…

    oh, now you did it… here come the stout hemp rope jokes.


  96. song_and_dance_man
    96 | December 31, 2012 3:10 pm

    RIX wrote:

    How about her facelift fell?

    Shes there for an operation. Adidictomy.


  97. 97 | December 31, 2012 3:10 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    She could bring back “Twenty-One” while she’s at it -- if anyone knows “the fix is in” it’s that one.


  98. 98 | December 31, 2012 3:11 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Television is OFF. We’re downloading Orthodox Christian podcasts. They’re available on Ancient Faith Radio, Patristic Nectar Publications, and YouTube.

    Pardon my mentioning it, how rude of me to mention television.


  99. 99 | December 31, 2012 3:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Conjunctivitis?
    Hey brookly -- I’m thinking Hunan food for lunch today -- no one’s around and I should get in quickly. What can I pick up for you?


  100. 100 | December 31, 2012 3:12 pm

    Wow did those 40 years go fast!

    Am I the only one or does anyone else remember Clemente’s arm and those great threws?

    If memory serves me right, he barely got his 3,000 hit. Maybe the last game or even his last at bat.

    Also, I think I remember seeing seeing a Roberto Clemente High School on Chicago’s “Near North Side.” Maybe North Avenue where a lot of Puerto Ricans live?


  101. brookly red
    101 | December 31, 2012 3:13 pm

    look for years the media said “she is the smartest woman on earth”… now where I come from that means “she knows too much”, draw your own conclusions.


  102. Da_Beerfreak
    102 | December 31, 2012 3:13 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m trying to get a Twitter hashtag going — “#HillarysNextAilment”

    Ring around the collar…

    oh, now you did it… here come the stout hemp rope jokes.

    lol, That’s not what I meant!! :mrgreen:


  103. 103 | December 31, 2012 3:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    lets not forget ‘halitosis’

    Ya know, a Milk-Bone would clear that right up for her!

    Oh man, that was a little mean, wasn’t it?


  104. RIX
    104 | December 31, 2012 3:14 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Here is what I don’t get, Obama says that Susan Rice was “the least informed
    about Benghazi.”
    Yet the adoring Media doesn’t ask him, ‘Then why did you send her out there.”
    Actually, I do get it.

    well if he was more informed that kinda sounds like a confession to me…

    It does, but Obama gets to play by different rules.
    As we all know, any criticism is prima facie evidence of racism.


  105. coldwarrior
    105 | December 31, 2012 3:14 pm

    CzechRebel wrote:

    Wow did those 40 years go fast!
    Am I the only one or does anyone else remember Clemente’s arm and those great threws?
    If memory serves me right, he barely got his 3,000 hit. Maybe the last game or even his last at bat.

    it was very close to the end of the season.

    he had a cannon for an arm.


  106. brookly red
    106 | December 31, 2012 3:15 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    Conjunctivitis?
    Hey brookly — I’m thinking Hunan food for lunch today — no one’s around and I should get in quickly. What can I pick up for you?

    Hunan? ooooh, maybe some seafood pancakes?


  107. RIX
    107 | December 31, 2012 3:16 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    RIX

    wrote:

    How about her facelift fell?

    Shes there for an operation

    . Adidictomy.

    Thats it!


  108. brookly red
    108 | December 31, 2012 3:18 pm

    RIX wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Here is what I don’t get, Obama says that Susan Rice was “the least informed
    about Benghazi.”
    Yet the adoring Media doesn’t ask him, ‘Then why did you send her out there.”
    Actually, I do get it.

    well if he was more informed that kinda sounds like a confession to me…

    It does, but Obama gets to play by different rules.
    As we all know, any criticism is prima facie evidence of racism.

    I has already been found guilty of racism by da race master general him self… i gots nothing to lose.


  109. Da_Beerfreak
    109 | December 31, 2012 3:20 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    That wouldn’t surprise me at all.
    Either that or union families.

    and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if some where in this “cliff” legislation they snuck in some real horror shows in the fine print…

    Every time the Congress compromises on an important piece of legislation, We The People get royally screwed over. :evil:


  110. brookly red
    110 | December 31, 2012 3:21 pm

    RIX wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m trying to get a Twitter hashtag going — “#HillarysNextAilment”

    “Iron-poor blood”. She could single-handedly re-launch Geritol!

    How about her facelift fell?

    in Pelosie country the refer to that as “the big one”


  111. 111 | December 31, 2012 3:22 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ RIX:
    My guess is if the blood clots and concussion fail, we’ll be moving on to “the heartbreak of Psoriasis” next.

    Not that! Then she would have a clear out not to testify.

    If she has any brain impairment (which may be due more to alcohol than to her having fallen (probably while drunk or hung over) -- then people will most likely call her competence to testify into question.

    I am a brain surgery survivor and afterwards I went through batteries of tests on two separate occasions to make sure my mental faculties were in good order.

    I might be one of the very few people around who have been officially pronounced “sane” -- FWIW. :lol:


  112. RIX
    112 | December 31, 2012 3:22 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Busted by Charles huh?
    Have you noticed that he is so cool that he can just go by one name, Charles?
    It’s like Cher, or Oprah, or Roseanne.


  113. brookly red
    113 | December 31, 2012 3:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Busted by Charles huh?
    Have you noticed that he is so cool that he can just go by one name, Charles?
    It’s like Cher, or Oprah, or Roseanne.

    or Lucifer


  114. brookly red
    114 | December 31, 2012 3:27 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ RIX:
    My guess is if the blood clots and concussion fail, we’ll be moving on to “the heartbreak of Psoriasis” next.

    Not that! Then she would have a clear out not to testify.

    If she has any brain impairment (which may be due more to alcohol than to her having fallen (probably while drunk or hung over) — then people will most likely call her competence to testify into question.

    I am a brain surgery survivor and afterwards I went through batteries of tests on two separate occasions to make sure my mental faculties were in good order.

    I might be one of the very few people around who have been officially pronounced “sane” — FWIW.

    /oh yeah well 2 judges declared me competent, so there!


  115. 115 | December 31, 2012 3:27 pm

    Happy End of 2012, everyone.


  116. brookly red
    116 | December 31, 2012 3:28 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Happy End of 2012, everyone.

    here come your tax increases!


  117. brookly red
    117 | December 31, 2012 3:30 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Happy End of 2012, everyone.

    hey Infidel(a) did you here about the OWS types with the explosives on 9th st?


  118. 118 | December 31, 2012 3:30 pm

    @ brookly red:

    You might want to hold off on the soup of the day.


  119. RIX
    119 | December 31, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ brookly red:
    How did I forget Lucifer?
    OK, Charles, Cher, Oprah, Roseanne & Lucifer, all one
    name celeberties.


  120. 120 | December 31, 2012 3:32 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Yes, but I didn’t know they were OWS. UGH!


  121. RIX
    121 | December 31, 2012 3:32 pm

    Off to the dog park.
    It is really cold, so this won’t last long.


  122. brookly red
    122 | December 31, 2012 3:33 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    You might want to hold off on the soup of the day.

    your right, waaaaay too much salt.


  123. lobo91
    123 | December 31, 2012 3:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    On Chicago radio they are saying that McConnell & Biden had a deal,
    but that Obama added more demands & trashed the deal.

    Someone really needs to send these people a basic civics text.

    The legislative branch passes bills and sends them to the president, who either signs them or doesn’t. It’s not his job to tell them what to pass.

    The “negotiation” comes between the House and Senate, not between the legislative and executive branches.


  124. brookly red
    124 | December 31, 2012 3:34 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Yes, but I didn’t know they were OWS. UGH!

    well yeah what a surprise the media forgot to mention it…

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/bombmaking_in_the_village_LoRDqNzP02SDZyfC1pLVXN


  125. Guggi
    125 | December 31, 2012 3:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    what is going on?

    Firecracker and the worst one you can imagine (although they are NOT allowed). Thousands and thousands every day all over the city. They sound like hand grenades or bombs.


  126. lobo91
    126 | December 31, 2012 3:36 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Happy End of 2012, everyone.

    hey Infidel(a) did you here about the OWS types with the explosives on 9th st?

    If brains were explosives, most OWS types couldn’t blow their own noses.


  127. brookly red
    127 | December 31, 2012 3:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    On Chicago radio they are saying that McConnell & Biden had a deal,
    but that Obama added more demands & trashed the deal.

    Someone really needs to send these people a basic civics text.

    The legislative branch passes bills and sends them to the president, who either signs them or doesn’t. It’s not his job to tell them what to pass.

    The “negotiation” comes between the House and Senate, not between the legislative and executive branches.

    hahahahah rule of law? hahahahha oh God that is funny….


  128. 128 | December 31, 2012 3:37 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    I’m going nuts. Since three weeks we are in a state of war. Shock and awe from about midday to early morning. I can’t stand it any longer and the police is apparently unable or unwilling to do anything.

    What’s going on? Got a link?


  129. lobo91
    129 | December 31, 2012 3:39 pm

    @ brookly red:

    The nuts are really coming out of the woodwork. There was some Dem mouthpiece on this morning while they were talking about the negotiations. Someone pointed out that although Obama campaigned on raising taxes on “the rich,” many Republicans campaigned on the opposite.

    She basically said ‘Who cares what they ran on? Obama won.”


  130. brookly red
    130 | December 31, 2012 3:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Happy End of 2012, everyone.

    hey Infidel(a) did you here about the OWS types with the explosives on 9th st?

    If brains were explosives, most OWS types couldn’t blow their own noses.

    Greenwich Village couple busted with cache of weapons, bombmaking explosives: sources
    By JAMIE SCHRAM, ANTONIO ANTENUCCI and MATT MCNULTY
    Last Updated: 6:25 AM, December 31, 2012
    Posted: 2:51 AM, December 31, 2012
    The privileged daughter of a prominent city doctor, and her boyfriend — a Harvard grad and Occupy Wall Street activist — have been busted for allegedly having a cache of weapons and a bombmaking explosive in their Greenwich Village apartment.

    Morgan Gliedman — who is nine-months pregnant — and her baby daddy, Aaron Greene, 31, also had instructions on making bombs, including a stack of papers with a cover sheet titled, “The Terrorist Encyclopedia,’’ sources told The Post yesterday.

    gonna be hard to pass them off as tea parties… but yes they are both white.


  131. 131 | December 31, 2012 3:41 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Firecracker and the worst one you can imagine (although they are NOT allowed). Thousands and thousands every day all over the city. They sound like hand grenades or bombs.

    Gawd, and I thought the incessantly barking hounds down the street were a problem! Who lives there, Hamas?


  132. Da_Beerfreak
    132 | December 31, 2012 3:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    On Chicago radio they are saying that McConnell & Biden had a deal,
    but that Obama added more demands & trashed the deal.

    Someone really needs to send these people a basic civics text.

    The legislative branch passes bills and sends them to the president, who either signs them or doesn’t. It’s not his job to tell them what to pass.

    The “negotiation” comes between the House and Senate, not between the legislative and executive branches.

    I’m starting to think that Obama’s plan to fundamentally change America is to get rid of the Constitution once and for all.


  133. brookly red
    133 | December 31, 2012 3:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    The nuts are really coming out of the woodwork. There was some Dem mouthpiece on this morning while they were talking about the negotiations. Someone pointed out that although Obama campaigned on raising taxes on “the rich,” many Republicans campaigned on the opposite.

    She basically said ‘Who cares what they ran on? Obama won.”

    don’t you for a second believe he plans to leave after his 2hd term…


  134. lobo91
    134 | December 31, 2012 3:42 pm

    @ brookly red:

    gonna be hard to pass them off as tea parties… but yes they are both white.

    They were probably going to blow something up and try to frame Tea Party types for it.


  135. brookly red
    135 | December 31, 2012 3:43 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I’m starting to think that Obama’s plan to fundamentally change America is to get rid of the Constitution once and for all.

    I try always to be polite to other posters, but where the fuck have you been for the last 4 years?


  136. citizen_q
    136 | December 31, 2012 3:44 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Did you notice in the story they mentioned finding 9 “high capacity” rifle magazines. No mention of a rifle, and if there were one especially a feinsteinesq evil looking black rifle, they would have mentioned it. I wonder if they think the magazines were dangerous in an of themselves? Or perhaps us stupid mouth breathers think that?


  137. lobo91
    137 | December 31, 2012 3:44 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I’m starting to think that Obama’s plan to fundamentally change America is to get rid of the Constitution once and for all.

    I came to that conclusion a couple of years ago.


  138. 138 | December 31, 2012 3:46 pm

    @ RIX:

    Oh, I thought his single name was “Clueless.” My mistake.


  139. lobo91
    139 | December 31, 2012 3:46 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Did you notice in the story they mentioned finding 9 “high capacity” rifle magazines.

    Given that most of the MSM doesn’t actually know what a magazine is, are you sure they weren’t talking about periodicals?

    //Guns & Ammo…Field & Stream…


  140. Guggi
    140 | December 31, 2012 3:46 pm

    Those are the more harmless but can one imagine them within the streets between the houses and thousands and thousands of them since three weeks ?


  141. Da_Beerfreak
    141 | December 31, 2012 3:46 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I’m starting to think that Obama’s plan to fundamentally change America is to get rid of the Constitution once and for all.

    I try always to be polite to other posters, but where the fuck have you been for the last 4 years?

    By the way, “starting to think” is just a figure of speech… :wink:


  142. 142 | December 31, 2012 3:46 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Indeed. Hence the burning desire to get the population disarmed.


  143. 143 | December 31, 2012 3:46 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I’m starting to think that Obama’s plan to fundamentally change America is to get rid of the Constitution once and for all.

    Perhaps, and it appears that the New York Times already has his back in the effort.


  144. 144 | December 31, 2012 3:47 pm

    BTW, can I have a show of hands of those who never, ever, EVER want t hear the jurinalists use the phrase “Kabuki Theater”?


  145. Guggi
    145 | December 31, 2012 3:48 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    o lives there, Hamas?

    Most of them are youngsters and most from Turkish descent. They think it is funny. On Christmas Eve it was like in Baghdad 2003.


  146. 146 | December 31, 2012 3:48 pm

    @ lobo91:

    When I hear “high capacity” magazine I always think of the number of ads in the September “Vogue.”


  147. citizen_q
    147 | December 31, 2012 3:48 pm

    @ lobo91:
    This is magazine
    This is my clip
    One feeds internally
    The other I strip

    /


  148. 148 | December 31, 2012 3:49 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    BTW, can I have a show of hands of those who never, ever, EVER want t hear the jurinalists use the phrase “Kabuki Theater”?

    Hear, hear! “Gutfleld’s Banned Phrases” needs an iPad/iPhone app.


  149. brookly red
    149 | December 31, 2012 3:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    gonna be hard to pass them off as tea parties… but yes they are both white.

    They were probably going to blow something up and try to frame Tea Party types for it.

    well the amount of explosives they had (assuming it was all they were going to have) could have either made a nasty anti-personnel device, or brought down an airliner… but yes these types are very dangerous because they believe the end justifies the means… they would just the same shoot up another school if they thought it would bring gun control. The left is dangerous.


  150. lobo91
    150 | December 31, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    By the way, “starting to think” is just a figure of speech…

    Is that like my favorite Southernism, “Fixin’ to” do something? I particularly like “Fixin’ to get ready.”


  151. 151 | December 31, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Humpf. Spend the “Spring Festival” in China. Those people invented fireworks, and they are very serious about them. I though another revolution had started.


  152. citizen_q
    152 | December 31, 2012 3:50 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    When I hear “high capacity” magazine I always think of the number of ads in the September “Vogue.”

    It’s all relative

    I think of .338 Lapua vs. .22LR


  153. 153 | December 31, 2012 3:52 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Most of them are youngsters and most from Turkish descent. They think it is funny. On Christmas Eve it was like in Baghdad 2003.

    It all makes sense now, particularly how police are seemingly reluctant to do anything about it. Sorry for your trouble!


  154. citizen_q
    154 | December 31, 2012 3:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    By the way, “starting to think” is just a figure of speech…
    Is that like my favorite Southernism, “Fixin’ to” do something. I particularly like “Fixin’ to get ready.”

    When I moved to Dallas, I was informed that “Fixin to” meant I forgot. You mileage may vary.


  155. 155 | December 31, 2012 3:53 pm

    BTW sports fans, I’ve set up a gmail email address if you want to send in your Superbowl recipes/drink recipes and I’ll publish a link to the cookbook (FREE) when it’s done. Include a photo of dish if you want.

    Mack, DG -- I have your recipes in my personal email.

    It’s blogmocfootball@gmail.com.


  156. lobo91
    156 | December 31, 2012 3:53 pm

    It’s snowing here. Hopefully, it’ll be cold enough tonight that the idiots won’t go out and shoot off fireworks at midnight.

    I hate having to deal with Leia in the aftermath.


  157. brookly red
    157 | December 31, 2012 3:55 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Did you notice in the story they mentioned finding 9 “high capacity” rifle magazines. No mention of a rifle, and if there were one especially a feinsteinesq evil looking black rifle, they would have mentioned it. I wonder if they think the magazines were dangerous in an of themselves? Or perhaps us stupid mouth breathers think that?

    no people in the inner city know that search warrants apply only to the apartment not the building. most drug operations have 2 or more units, 1 where the sale is made and another where the drugs are stored. Criminals are not stupid.


  158. 158 | December 31, 2012 3:56 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You’re not going to bet any money on that, are you?


  159. Da_Beerfreak
    159 | December 31, 2012 3:56 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    By the way, “starting to think” is just a figure of speech…
    Is that like my favorite Southernism, “Fixin’ to” do something. I particularly like “Fixin’ to get ready.”

    When I moved to Dallas, I was informed that “Fixin to” meant I forgot. You mileage may vary.

    A lot like “getting around to it“. :grin:


  160. Lily
    160 | December 31, 2012 3:56 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s snowing here. Hopefully, it’ll be cold enough tonight that the idiots won’t go out and shoot off fireworks at midnight.
    I hate having to deal with Leia in the aftermath.

    My dog has been a nervous wreck every night for the past two weeks because of fireworks. It might rain here so we may be spared of the massive fireworks here.


  161. lobo91
    161 | December 31, 2012 3:57 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    You’re not going to bet any money on that, are you?

    No, just hoping.

    Maybe I should get Leia a set of hearing protectors.

    Unfortunately, the ones for dogs are custom made and expensive.


  162. Guggi
    162 | December 31, 2012 3:58 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Humpf. Spend the “Spring Festival” in China. Those people invented fireworks, and they are very serious about them. I though another revolution had started.

    Firework is one thing but I doubt that this goes on for three weeks. I tried to count this firecracker bombs for one (1) minute but was unable and stopped after 87 ! This is about 5,000 firecracker bombs in one hour and this for about 12 hours a day since three weeks !


  163. 163 | December 31, 2012 3:58 pm

    @ Lily:

    Hi Lily! Howya feeling?


  164. citizen_q
    164 | December 31, 2012 4:00 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Interesting. Thanks, I had not considered an associated site.


  165. 165 | December 31, 2012 4:00 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    but yes they are both white.

    And so funny that the NYPost referred to Aaron Greene [a Harvard grad] as a ‘baby daddy.’


  166. Da_Beerfreak
    166 | December 31, 2012 4:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    You’re not going to bet any money on that, are you?

    No, just hoping.

    Maybe I should get Leia a set of hearing protectors.

    Unfortunately, the ones for dogs are custom made and expensive.

    A sound proof closet with a supply of peanut butter pretzels?? :wink:


  167. brookly red
    167 | December 31, 2012 4:01 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Firework is one thing but I doubt that this goes on for three weeks. I tried to count this firecracker bombs for one (1) minute but was unable and stopped after 87 ! This is about 5,000 firecracker bombs in one hour and this for about 12 hours a day since three weeks !

    you want we should send you Bloomberg?


  168. lobo91
    168 | December 31, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Firework is one thing but I doubt that this goes on for three weeks. I tried to count this firecracker bombs for one (1) minute but was unable and stopped after 87 ! This is about 5,000 firecracker bombs in one hour and this for about 12 hours a day since three weeks !

    At least you don’t have to deal with gunfire like we do in the Middle East.

    I was standing out in front of my apartment building on New Year’s Eve last year waiting for a ride, when someone fired off a burst from an AK a block or two away.

    A woman who was standing nearby asked if it was fireworks. When I told her what it actually was, she decided to wait in the lobby.


  169. Lily
    169 | December 31, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Doing okay. In recovery I guess you could say. I hope you are doing good! ;)

    /oh and I no longer smoke. By-pass surgery took care of that.


  170. heysoos
    170 | December 31, 2012 4:03 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Doing okay. In recovery I guess you could say. I hope you are doing good!
    /oh and I no longer smoke. By-pass surgery took care of that.

    good for you, that’s huge


  171. brookly red
    171 | December 31, 2012 4:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Guggi:

    Firework is one thing but I doubt that this goes on for three weeks. I tried to count this firecracker bombs for one (1) minute but was unable and stopped after 87 ! This is about 5,000 firecracker bombs in one hour and this for about 12 hours a day since three weeks !

    At least you don’t have to deal with gunfire like we do in the Middle East.

    I was standing out in front of my apartment building on New Year’s Eve last year waiting for a ride, when someone fired off a burst from an AK a block or two away.

    A woman who was standing nearby asked if it was fireworks. When I told her what it actually was, she decided to wait in the lobby.

    I remember a sad story where the men at a wedding party started firing in the air… the gunship crew completely took it the wrong way.


  172. Da_Beerfreak
    172 | December 31, 2012 4:05 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Humpf. Spend the “Spring Festival” in China. Those people invented fireworks, and they are very serious about them. I though another revolution had started.

    Firework is one thing but I doubt that this goes on for three weeks. I tried to count this firecracker bombs for one (1) minute but was unable and stopped after 87 ! This is about 5,000 firecracker bombs in one hour and this for about 12 hours a day since three weeks !

    Sounds a lot like the run up to the 4th of July here in St. Paul. :grin:

    And any leftovers will be used tonight. :twisted:

    They are illegal in Minnesota, but that has never stopped anyone.


  173. lobo91
    173 | December 31, 2012 4:06 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I remember a sad story where the men at a wedding party started firing in the air… the gunship crew completely took it the wrong way.

    That was in Afghanistan. I’m talking about Kuwait.


  174. Guggi
    174 | December 31, 2012 4:06 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    you want we should send you Bloomberg?

    For this particular case ? Yes and afterwards we send him back (return to sender :-) )


  175. heysoos
    175 | December 31, 2012 4:06 pm

    when my neighbor shoots off his fireworks, I shoot my shotgun….trap loads, into a Butler building out back


  176. brookly red
    176 | December 31, 2012 4:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I remember a sad story where the men at a wedding party started firing in the air… the gunship crew completely took it the wrong way.

    That was in Afghanistan. I’m talking about Kuwait.

    yes but the same goes, shooting in the air is still shooting.


  177. 177 | December 31, 2012 4:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Doing okay. In recovery I guess you could say. I hope you are doing good!

    /oh and I no longer smoke. By-pass surgery took care of that.

    I’m so proud of you!

    No doubt recovery from surgery like that takes a while, but all progress is good progress and my prayers are always with you.


  178. Lily
    178 | December 31, 2012 4:11 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I want to get well. I certainly don’t want to go through this again..already they are going to have to deal with my legs once I heal up from this.


  179. 179 | December 31, 2012 4:12 pm

    @ brookly red:
    NYPD went to 9th Street Saturday to question Morgan Gliedman about alleged credit card theft when they found a plastic container with seven grams of a white chemical powder called HMTD; a chemical that the Post says is so powerful, “cops evacuated several nearby buildings.”


  180. Lily
    180 | December 31, 2012 4:12 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Thanks MacDuff! I need all the prayers I can get!


  181. lobo91
    181 | December 31, 2012 4:12 pm

    @ brookly red:

    yes but the same goes, shooting in the air is still shooting.

    Of course. It’s just not something you expect to hear in the suburbs of Kuwait City. Generally, the only guns Kuwaitis have are shotguns.


  182. citizen_q
    182 | December 31, 2012 4:14 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I saw a video on Tosh.0 where some guy was firing 1911 looking pistol in the air at a wedding and holstered the weapon. There was a child standing next to him, maybe his son, who pulled the pistol out of the holster while the guy was distracted The kid was not strong enough to hold the pistol and while trying to hold it up shot the guy somewhere in his torso.


  183. lobo91
    183 | December 31, 2012 4:15 pm

    Why women need guns:

    Police: Pennsylvania woman raped, robbed by 3 teens on Christmas Day

    Three men are charged in a brutal armed assault of a woman on Christmas Day in suburban Philadelphia.

    Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood tells the Philadelphia Daily News the 22-year-old victim was waiting for her boyfriend Tuesday when the men forced their way inside her Jeep.

    Chitwood says the men raped and beat her for hours and took her purse, jewelry, cellphone, car stereo and GPS.

    The woman drove to her boyfriend’s house and they contacted police.

    Officers responding to a disturbance call at a nearby house say they found the victim’s belongings there and arrested two 17-year-olds. A 19-year-old was arrested elsewhere.

    All are charged as adults with kidnapping, rape, robbery and related offenses and are held on $500,000 bail each. They’re due in court Jan. 31.


  184. brookly red
    184 | December 31, 2012 4:17 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    NYPD went to 9th Street Saturday to question Morgan Gliedman about alleged credit card theft when they found a plastic container with seven grams of a white chemical powder called HMTD; a chemical that the Post says is so powerful, “cops evacuated several nearby buildings.”

    Every time this happens they interview the dumb neighbors and they always say, ‘Oh, I would have never thought they could do this!’ But everyone who lives in the Village will tell you about the bomb explosion,” the neighbor said, referring to the Weathermen’s bomb factory at 18 West 11th Street that accidentally blew up in 1970. “It’s crazy that this happened, but anything can happen. Nothing surprises me anymore.

    but he was just a guy in the neighborhood…


  185. brookly red
    185 | December 31, 2012 4:22 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I saw a video on Tosh.0 where some guy was firing 1911 looking pistol in the air at a wedding and holstered the weapon. There was a child standing next to him, maybe his son, who pulled the pistol out of the holster while the guy was distracted The kid was not strong enough to hold the pistol and while trying to hold it up shot the guy somewhere in his torso.

    fire works are fire works, guns are guns.


  186. 186 | December 31, 2012 4:24 pm

    No, Spring Festival in China only lasts a week. I was in Beijing for it when the government let the inhabitants use fireworks for the first time in 12 years (2005.) Unreal.

    Remember the packs of firecrackers we used to get as kids? Little thing as big around as a pencil, and mabe 20-30 in a pack? In China, they’re the size of a fat cigar and come 3000 to a roll. And that’s just the firecrackers. The other stuff you can only see in the US at a large commercial display event.


  187. brookly red
    187 | December 31, 2012 4:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Why women need guns:

    Police: Pennsylvania woman raped, robbed by 3 teens on Christmas Day

    Three men are charged in a brutal armed assault of a woman on Christmas Day in suburban Philadelphia.

    Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood tells the Philadelphia Daily News the 22-year-old victim was waiting for her boyfriend Tuesday when the men forced their way inside her Jeep.

    Chitwood says the men raped and beat her for hours and took her purse, jewelry, cellphone, car stereo and GPS.

    The woman drove to her boyfriend’s house and they contacted police.

    Officers responding to a disturbance call at a nearby house say they found the victim’s belongings there and arrested two 17-year-olds. A 19-year-old was arrested elsewhere.

    All are charged as adults with kidnapping, rape, robbery and related offenses and are held on $500,000 bail each. They’re due in court Jan. 31.

    something tells me they were not from the local lacrosse team…


  188. heysoos
    188 | December 31, 2012 4:29 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    sounds the old Black Cats….we used to buy then in ropes of like a thousand….hang it in a tree, light it and stand back aways


  189. 189 | December 31, 2012 4:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Too bad they’re still breathing. Alas, I wonder if they’ll do as much time as the guy who made the “offensive” video.


  190. heysoos
    190 | December 31, 2012 4:37 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Too bad they’re still breathing. Alas, I wonder if they’ll do as much time as the guy who made the “offensive” video.

    he got a year for probation violation, but he should do another year in the Stupid Locker


  191. 191 | December 31, 2012 4:39 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    If they get the magazine ban they’ll be back for the real high-powered rifles. You can bank on that. The only thing that stopped them in 1994 was losing the election. I’ve heard a rumor that the Republican’s are already talking about selling us out. That’ll be suicide for the Party if they do.


  192. Da_Beerfreak
    192 | December 31, 2012 4:46 pm

    If the Gee Oh Pee are dumb enough to sell the gun owners down the river that act could bring about the end of the cold civil war.


  193. heysoos
    193 | December 31, 2012 5:11 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    If they get the magazine ban they’ll be back for the real high-powered rifles. You can bank on that. The only thing that stopped them in 1994 was losing the election. I’ve heard a rumor that the Republican’s are already talking about selling us out. That’ll be suicide for the Party if they do.

    the GOP will cut your throat in a heartbeat


  194. 194 | December 31, 2012 5:12 pm

    @ Lily:

    Darling Lily — I see they had the sense to sign Sean for another five years. Now we need to shape up the defense and we’ve put our “season of shame” behind us -- I think we’ll have a great year cher!

    Oh and next year, I think we might have some fun with a “pool” -- pick four games and see if our esteemed panel can predict the winners. More to come when exhibition starts next year!


  195. heysoos
    195 | December 31, 2012 5:17 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Darling Lily — I see they had the sense to sign Sean for another five years. Now we need to shape up the defense and we’ve put our “season of shame” behind us — I think we’ll have a great year cher!
    Oh and next year, I think we might have some fun with a “pool” — pick four games and see if our esteemed panel can predict the winners. More to come when exhibition starts next year!

    Sean Payton is one hell of a coach….he was Parcells assistant in Dallas…he should have had the head coach job for the Cowboys, but they blinked and Sean was gone, a huge miscalculation and as a Cowboy fan, I always felt like we were mugged somehow….Payton is a superb coach


  196. 196 | December 31, 2012 5:24 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    BTW sports fans, I’ve set up a gmail email address if you want to send in your Superbowl recipes/drink recipes and I’ll publish a link to the cookbook (FREE) when it’s done. Include a photo of dish if you want.
    Mack, DG — I have your recipes in my personal email.
    It’s blogmocfootball@gmail.com.

    Shrimp & Grits

    1 cup old-fashioned grits (not instant)
    3 cups water
    1 cup beer
    1 large onion
    2 stalks celery
    Thyme, rosemary, dill weed, white pepper, black pepper, Tabasco sauce, garlic
    1 can mushrooms
    1 bag of frozen shrimp
    Cooking oil

    Cut up the celery and onion and fry in the oil until tender. Set aside.

    Boil the shrimp until pink, then remove from heat. Make sure the shells are peeled off. Set aside.

    Put the grits, onions, celery, water, beer, and seasonings into a covered glass dish. Pour in the entire can of mushrooms -- don’t drain them.

    Microwave for 30 minutes.

    Add the shrimp, stir, and microwave another 2 minutes.

    Serve.

    (Okay, the celery is optional if you hate celery. The mushrooms and onions are not optional. And I might add a little ham and cheese if it isn’t Orthodox fasting season.)


  197. 197 | December 31, 2012 5:26 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    You forgot to add the grits in there somewhere…


  198. Bumr50
    198 | December 31, 2012 5:29 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    You’ve gone and ruined it with celery.


  199. 199 | December 31, 2012 5:33 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    You forgot to add the grits in there somewhere…

    Okay, fixed.

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    You’ve gone and ruined it with celery.

    Celery is optional. Mushrooms and onions aren’t.

    The celery tastes pretty mild, and not fibrous at all, if you fry it up with the onions.


  200. 200 | December 31, 2012 5:36 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Oh man, I’ll have to “taste test” this one definitely. I haven’t had good shrimp and grits since I moved out of NOLA.

    Thank you!


  201. 201 | December 31, 2012 5:38 pm

    BTW all y’all, as Rodan will tell you, I’m also in the market for kerazy kocktails or punch for our superbowl cookbook.

    BTW CW -- I believe you have the honors for the playoff threads, correct?


  202. 202 | December 31, 2012 5:38 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Oh man, I’ll have to “taste test” this one definitely. I haven’t had good shrimp and grits since I moved out of NOLA.
    Thank you!

    You’re welcome!

    You can add salt to this, but I don’t because of my blood pressure.

    You have to be pretty generous with the herbs and spices. Otherwise, it’ll be bland.

    Gotta find some real old-fashioned grits. Instant grits have the wrong texture.

    If I make this around the time of the Super Bowl, because it isn’t during Orthodox fasting season, I’d add some cheese and ham at the same time as I add the shrimp. I’d stir it up so that the cheese melts into the grits.


  203. 203 | December 31, 2012 5:41 pm

    Breaking: CNBC’s Harwood: No Vote in the House Tonight — U.S. Will Go Over the Fiscal Cliff

    I’m thinking since tomorrow is a national holiday, we won’t be badly affected. I haven’t seen this much hysteria since Y2K.


  204. 204 | December 31, 2012 5:42 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    BTW all y’all, as Rodan will tell you, I’m also in the market for kerazy kocktails or punch for our superbowl cookbook.
    BTW CW — I believe you have the honors for the playoff threads, correct?

    Being a Serb I generally drink my spirits neat. I’m not much on cocktails -- most of them are sweet, and sugar is a no no for me.


  205. 205 | December 31, 2012 5:44 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Oh, cheese sounds excellent. Surprisingly, the Football Savant Offspring works in a discount grocery store and if you’re doing low country cooking, it’s the ideal place to shop, as they most definitely carry good grits, okra and my other staples for such things.

    BTW, included in the cookbook for you fans of Starbuck’s holiday treat, will be the recipe for the Cranberry Bliss Bar.


  206. RIX
    206 | December 31, 2012 5:44 pm

    Preseason national Champion Pick, Southern Cal is going
    down to Georgia Tech.


  207. 207 | December 31, 2012 5:45 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I make Chatham Artillery Punch for my SuperBowl parties. People ask me what’s in it -- my answer is “might be quicker to tell you what’s NOT in it.”


  208. 208 | December 31, 2012 5:48 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Last night must have been a heartbreaker for you, then. Although I watched it and thought “now THAT’s how the NFL ends a football season.”

    I link what Sean’s done for the team. He needs a good defensive coordinator and I hope he starts looking around the SEC and bring someone up.

    @ RIX:

    Interesting -- I thought SC was still barred from post-season play.
    Well I’m for Georgia Tech!


  209. RIX
    209 | December 31, 2012 5:50 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Geogia Tech just won 21 to7.


  210. heysoos
    210 | December 31, 2012 5:50 pm

    if you are a Cowboy fan, you are used to the breathtaking games and the ultimate heartbreak…another reason I drink for effect


  211. 211 | December 31, 2012 5:56 pm

    @ RIX:

    Jeff Tedford needs to recruit for Cal where those guys do their shopping. The SEC hasn’t got enough room for everyone -- we should be looking at who the southern teams look at.

    Oh, and I’m sorry folks -- I should never create email addresses before I’ve had my coffee. I accidentally named it “blocmocfootball” I will fix. In the meantime, you can send your recipes to “blocmocfootball@gmail.com” and the idiot blonde lady will get them.


  212. Bumr50
    212 | December 31, 2012 6:44 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    You’re still, you’re still CG from the bloc…


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