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Echos from a New Years Eve 100 years ago

by Speranza ( 148 Comments › )
Filed under Elections, government, History, Liberal Fascism, Socialism at January 1st, 2013 - 9:00 am

The Knish notes some eerie parallels between New Years Eve 100 years ago and today.

by Daniel Greenfield

The next year  sweeps around the earth like the hand of a clock, from Australia to Europe and across the great stretch of the Atlantic it rides the darkness to America. And then around and around again, each passing day marking another sweep of the hours.

[.......]
While the year makes its first pass around the world, let us leave it behind, open a door in time and step back to another year, a century past.

December 31, 1912. The crowds are just as large, though the men wear hats. People use the word gay with no touch of irony. Liquor is harder to come by because the end of the year, one hundred years ago, has fallen on a Sunday.  There are more dances and fewer corporate brands. Horns are blown, and the occasional revolver fired into the air, a sight unimaginable in the controlled celebrations of today’s urban metropolis.

The Hotel Workers Union strike fizzled out on Broadway though a volley of bricks was hurled at the Hotel Astor during the celebrations. New York’s finest spent the evening outside the Rockefeller mansion waiting to subpoena the tycoon in the money trust investigation. And the Postmaster General inaugurated the new parcel service by shipping a silver loving cup from Washington to New York.

On Ellis Island, Castro, a bitter enemy of the United States, and the former president of Venezuela, had been arrested for trying to sneak into the country while the customs officers had their guard down. Gazing at the Statue of Liberty, Castro denied that he was a revolutionary and bitterly urged the American masses to rise up and tear down the statue in the name of freedom.

Times Square has far fewer billboards and no videos, but it does have the giant Horn and Hardart Automat which opened just that year, where food comes from banks of vending machines giving celebrating crowds a view of the amazing world of tomorrow for the world of 1912 is after all like our own. We can open a door into the past, but we cannot escape the present.

The Presidential election of 1912, like that of 2012, ended in disaster. Both Taft and Roosevelt lost and Woodrow Wilson won. In the White House, President Taft met with cabinet members and diplomats for a final reception.

[......]

Americans of 2013 face the lightbulb ban. Americans of 1913 were confronted with the matchstick ban as the Esch bill in Congress outlawed phosphorus “strike ‘em on your pants” matches by imposing a $1,000 tax on them. This was deemed to be Constitutional. In Indianapolis, the train carrying union leaders guilty of the dynamite plot was making its secret way to Federal prison even while the lawyers of the dynamiters vowed to appeal.

The passing year, a century past, had its distinct echoes in our own time. There had been, what the men of the time, thought of as wars, yet they could not even conceive of the wars shortly to come. There were the usual dry news items about the collapse of the government in Spain, a war and an economic crisis in distant parts of the world that did not concern them.

A recession was here, after several panics, and though there was plenty of cheer, there was also plenty of worry. The Federal Reserve Act would be signed at the end of 1913, partly in response to the economic crisis.

Socialism was on the march with the Socialist Party having doubled its votes in the national election.  All three major candidates, Wilson, Roosevelt and Taft, had warned that the country was drifting toward Socialism and that they were the only ones who could stop it. The influence of corporations was heatedly debated and the Catholic Church clashed with Socialists.

“Unless Socialism is checked,” Professor Albert Bushnell Hart warned, “within sixteen years there will be a Socialist President of the United States.” Hart was off by four years. Hoover won in 1928. FDR won in 1932.

At New York City’s May Day rally, the American flag was torn down and replaced with the red flag, to cries of, “Take down that dirty rag” and “We don’t recognize that flag.” The site of the rally was Union Square, presently one of the locations where the rag ends of Occupy Wall Street hangs out.

There was tension on the Mexican border and alarm over Socialist successes in German elections. An obscure fellow with the silly name of Lenin had carved out a group with the even sillier name of the Bolsheviks. China became a Republic. New Mexico became a state, the African National Congress was founded and the Titanic sank.  [.......]
There was bloody fighting in Benghazi where 20,000 Italian troops faced off against 20,000 Arabs and 8,000 Turks. The Italians had modern warships and armored vehicles, while the Muslim forces were supplied by voluntary donations and fighters crossing from Egypt and across North Africa to join in attacking the infidels.
[.......]

There was a good deal going on while the horns were blown and men in heavy coats and wet hats made their way through the festivities.

World War I was two years away, but the Balkan War had already fired the first shots. The rest was just a matter of bringing the non-phosphorus matches closer to the kindling. The Anti-Saloon League was gathering strength for a nationwide effort that would hijack the political system and divide it into dry and wet, and, among other things, ram through the personal income tax.

Change was coming, and as in 1912, the country was no longer hopeful, it was wary. The century, for all its expected glamor, had been a difficult one. The future, political and economic, was unknown. Few knew exactly what was to come, but equally few were especially optimistic even when the champagne was flowing.

If we were to stop a reveler staggering out of a hotel, stand in his path and tell him that war was five years away and a great depression would come in on its tail, that liquor would be banned, crime would proliferate and a Socialist president would rule the United States for three terms, while wielding near absolute power, he might have decided to make his way to the recently constructed Manhattan Bridge for a swan dive into the river.

And yet we know that though all this is true, there is a deeper truth. For all those setbacks, the United States survived, and many of us look nostalgically toward a time that was every bit as uncertain and nerve-wracking as our own.

December 31, 1912 was a door that opened onto many things. December 31, 2012 is likewise, and if a man in shiny clothes from the year 2112 were to stop us on the street and spill out everything he knew about the next century, it is likely that there would be as much greatness as tragedy in that tale.

As the year sweeps across the earth, let us remember that history is more than the worst of its events, that all times bear the burden of their uncertainties, but also carry within them the seeds of greatness. Looking back on this time, it may be that it is not the defeats that we will recall, but how they readied us for the fight ahead.  [........]
America has not fallen, no more than it did when the clock struck midnight on December 31, 1912. Though it may not seem likely now, there are many great things ahead, and though the challenges at times seem insurmountable and the defeats many, another year and another century await us.

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148 Responses to “Echos from a New Years Eve 100 years ago”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | January 1, 2013 9:04 am

    The election of 1912 was among Wilson (Democrat), Taft (Republican), Teddy Roosevelt (Bull Moose), and Eugene V. Debs (Socialist).


  2. 2 | January 1, 2013 9:25 am

    The Republic is always under threat. The war is never over, regardless of the outcome of any particular battle.


  3. Speranza
    3 | January 1, 2013 9:33 am

    We will be coming on the World War I centennial in a year. Interesting to see how it is covered.


  4. 4 | January 1, 2013 10:04 am

    Not looking forward to this year. I think it’s going to be rather unpleasant for a large number of people. Sequestration may kill hundreds of thousands of jobs including, possibly, my own.

    We have another 4 years of doomage ahead of us. Even the good news might end up being bad -- enough global cooling to shut the warmistas up (i hope) but that means less food while we burn it in our gas tanks (ethanol).

    speaking of cooling, it’s just 2 degrees above freezing at my house. Not cold to many, but literally freezing to those of us living in the Sonoran Desert.


  5. Speranza
    5 | January 1, 2013 10:06 am

    I look forward to the coming year with a sense of dread. On Inauguration Day I will be in mourning.


  6. 6 | January 1, 2013 10:11 am

    Speranza wrote:

    We will be coming on the World War I centennial in a year. Interesting to see how it is covered.

    Given the attention span of the world today, I expect not a whole lot of notice.


  7. 7 | January 1, 2013 10:13 am

    Speranza wrote:

    I look forward to the coming year with a sense of dread. On Inauguration Day I will be in mourning.

    I’d forgotten about that since I’ve managed to block Obammer out of my view pretty well for the last several weeks. Heard that they are pushing to fill up the empty space as the turn out is shaping up to be sparse at best.


  8. 8 | January 1, 2013 10:14 am

    Speranza wrote:

    I look forward to the coming year with a sense of dread. On Inauguration Day I will be in mourning.

    Spend it cleaning weapons… Although I certainly hope not, you may need them.


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | January 1, 2013 10:17 am

    According to the Congressional Budget Office, the last-minute fiscal cliff deal reached by congressional leaders and President Barack Obama cuts only $15 billion in spending while increasing tax revenues by $620 billion—a 41:1 ratio of tax increases to spending cuts.

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


  10. 10 | January 1, 2013 10:20 am

    A nice comeback to the sanctimonious, hypocritical Hollywood types. Feels really good knowing that I have not spent one dime on a movie in years.


  11. 11 | January 1, 2013 10:22 am

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    We will be coming on the World War I centennial in a year. Interesting to see how it is covered.

    Given the attention span of the world today, I expect not a whole lot of notice.

    yeah, i expect Americans to say, “what? what war?”


  12. 12 | January 1, 2013 10:26 am

    @ Urban Infidel:
    wow. what a list of hypocrits! i do like the juxtaposition of the hypocrits with their work. The only way it could be more perfect is if every hypocrit was followed by their own act of hypocrisy.


  13. mawskrat
    13 | January 1, 2013 10:32 am

    I’m more of an optimist I’ll try
    and make it a great year one day
    at a time. I’ve been blessed with
    the birth of a grandson and look
    forward to watching him grow up.

    remember G-d is in control!!

    don’t be a Schleprock////


  14. Bumr50
    14 | January 1, 2013 10:32 am

    @ Kirly:

    Many Americans will just shuttle it off to the vast storehouse in their brain, built by academia, marked “Old White Man Problems.”

    Oft contributed to, seldom visited.


  15. Speranza
    15 | January 1, 2013 10:42 am

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    We will be coming on the World War I centennial in a year. Interesting to see how it is covered.

    Given the attention span of the world today, I expect not a whole lot of notice.

    I tend to agree with you on that. I do remember the 50th anniversary of WWI was given a lot of coverage on TV and in the print media but it is now a different America.


  16. lobo91
    16 | January 1, 2013 10:43 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Look on the bright side: The spending cuts won’t actually happen, anyway, so the ratio is irrelevant.

    I do remember learning that you can’t divide by zero…


  17. 17 | January 1, 2013 10:43 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    The Republic is always under threat. The war is never over, regardless of the outcome of any particular battle.

    We always have to keep mowing down the weeds, over and over.


  18. Speranza
    18 | January 1, 2013 10:43 am

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I look forward to the coming year with a sense of dread. On Inauguration Day I will be in mourning.

    I’d forgotten about that since I’ve managed to block Obammer out of my view pretty well for the last several weeks. Heard that they are pushing to fill up the empty space as the turn out is shaping up to be sparse at best.

    We were so elated on October 3 when we saw the first debate. That’s what makes it even worse for me.


  19. mawskrat
    19 | January 1, 2013 10:47 am

    @ 1389AD:

    there is nothing new under the sun


  20. Speranza
    20 | January 1, 2013 10:47 am

    @ Urban Infidel:
    I loved every minute of that!


  21. coldwarrior
    21 | January 1, 2013 10:49 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Look on the bright side: The spending cuts won’t actually happen, anyway, so the ratio is irrelevant.
    I do remember learning that you can’t divide by zero…

    you can divide by zero, if you use nonstandard analysis with surreal numbers or by algebraic absurdities.

    surreal and absurd.

    quite fitting


  22. 22 | January 1, 2013 10:50 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    What a pathetic “deal”. It’s time to replace some Congressional leaders. Or all of ‘em.


  23. mawskrat
    23 | January 1, 2013 10:53 am

    @ mfhorn:

    they should be charged with
    malfeasance in office. IMHO


  24. RIX
    24 | January 1, 2013 10:53 am

    Happy New Year everybody. God help us.


  25. 25 | January 1, 2013 10:54 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    I loved every minute of that!

    Notice that the hip hop/rap ‘community’ was notably absent in the original. And that bubbleheaded Beyonce should shut the hell up, her buffoonish husband Jay Z oversees a kingdom of thug culture.


  26. coldwarrior
    26 | January 1, 2013 10:54 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    What a pathetic “deal”. It’s time to replace some Congressional leaders. Or all of ‘em.

    our side is led by spineless twits


  27. 27 | January 1, 2013 10:55 am

    RIX wrote:

    Happy New Year everybody. God help us.

    Indeed. One of America’s greatest challenges lies before us.


  28. heysoos
    28 | January 1, 2013 10:55 am

    oh Hillary?….
    where art thou?


  29. 29 | January 1, 2013 10:56 am

    @ Speranza:
    The minute I hear his voice, the channel is switched.


  30. RIX
    30 | January 1, 2013 10:58 am

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Yes, we live in interesting & dangerous times.
    Seriously, I never thought that I would see a U.S president so culturally
    non American & actually anti American as most here would define it.
    Strange days indeed.


  31. huckfunn
    31 | January 1, 2013 11:00 am

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    A nice comeback to the sanctimonious, hypocritical Hollywood types. Feels really good knowing that I have not spent one dime on a movie in years.

    I’m glad you put that up. Hollywood does not make movies about people defending themselves. They are
    the ones glorifying drugs, gangs and gun violence. Then they lecture us. Same thing with the enviro-mental issue. All of the lecturing and hectoring, yet they live large. They’ve gotten no Huck bucks for years.


  32. RIX
    32 | January 1, 2013 11:04 am

    Today the Rose Parade will honor Korean War Vets & military
    service dogs. I like that.


  33. RIX
    33 | January 1, 2013 11:06 am

    Chief Justice John Roberts is calling for the WH & Congress to
    assure that there will be no cut in funds for the Federal judiciary.
    First I would make him answer, when is a non-tax actually a tax?


  34. mawskrat
    34 | January 1, 2013 11:09 am

    @ RIX:

    some great pics of service men and thie dogs

    The real dogs of war: Intimate images show ‘soft’ soldiers caring for the animals who have helped them through the ages

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255374/The-real-dogs-war-Intimate-images-soft-soldiers-caring-animals-helped-ages.html#ixzz2Gjz2NWEA
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


  35. dwells38
    35 | January 1, 2013 11:10 am

    Well that was a dose of perspective. IOW same shit, different year.


  36. 36 | January 1, 2013 11:11 am

    @ huckfunn:
    They lecture us about everything. I’m also happy to say that I don’t know who 75% of them are.


  37. huckfunn
    37 | January 1, 2013 11:13 am

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    They lecture us about everything. I’m also happy to say that I don’t know who 75% of them are.

    Heh. The only one I could name is Conan O’brien.


  38. 38 | January 1, 2013 11:14 am

    @ mawskrat:
    I love the puppy in Balad, Iraq. How awful to be a dog in the middle east.


  39. dwells38
    39 | January 1, 2013 11:16 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yeah the libs don’t get that we never had a tax revenue problem. We have a spending and debt problem and they want to do is SPEND MORE while being DEEPLY in DOWNGRADED debt. Plus gouge the taxpayers and job creators in the middle of a recession. Unreal, but let the chips fall. We have a Kool Blak Preezy who listens to JayZ on his Ipod.


  40. RIX
    40 | January 1, 2013 11:17 am

    @ mawskrat:
    There is a WWI story that I have read several times.
    It tells of a dog getting between the American & German lines.
    Troops on both sides stopped shooting so that the dog could get clear.
    Can’t swear that it is a true story.


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | January 1, 2013 11:19 am

    “Thank you. Since we decided a few weeks ago to adopt the leaf as legal tender, we have, of course, all become immensely rich. [...]

    “But we have also,” continued the management consultant, “run into a small inflation problem on account of the high level of leaf availability, which means that, I gather, the current going rate has something like three deciduous forests buying on ship’s peanut.” [...]

    “So in order to obviate this problem,” he continued, “and effectively revalue the leaf, we are about to embark on a massive defoliation campaign, and…er, burn down all the forests. I think you’ll all agree that’s a sensible move under the circumstances.”
    ― Douglas Adams, The Ultimate Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy


  42. dwells38
    42 | January 1, 2013 11:19 am

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Yeah it’s like, WTF is your message you little dimbulbs? Is it “stop me before I glorify violence, gore and guns again”? Seriously, Jamie Foxx after coming right off the set of a Tarantino splatter fest? Just take the money and STFU already.


  43. RIX
    43 | January 1, 2013 11:19 am

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ mawskrat:
    I

    love the puppy in Balad, Iraq. How awful to be a dog in the middle east.

    Or the White House. You could end up on the menu.


  44. coldwarrior
    44 | January 1, 2013 11:20 am

    dwells38 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yeah the libs don’t get that we never had a tax revenue problem. We have a spending and debt problem and they want to do is SPEND MORE while being DEEPLY in DOWNGRADED debt. Plus gouge the taxpayers and job creators in the middle of a recession. Unreal, but let the chips fall. We have a Kool Blak Preezy who listens to JayZ on his Ipod.

    eventually we HAVE to pay the piper.


  45. coldwarrior
    45 | January 1, 2013 11:21 am

    @ dwells38:

    its been a very long time since hollywood has got any cash from me


  46. 46 | January 1, 2013 11:23 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Exactly. I know we’d had had to go along with some tax increases, but this will hit far too many Americans. And the spending cuts in this deal are a joke.


  47. dwells38
    47 | January 1, 2013 11:25 am

    @ RIX:

    I wouldn’t doubt that it’s roughly true and many other similar incidents happened among Western conflicts. Of course, if it happened in Afghanistan the jihadists would starve the dog, shove an IED up it’s ass and send it in the direction of the Americans. Knowing they’re famous for their feckless kindness.


  48. 48 | January 1, 2013 11:25 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    Look on the bright side: The spending cuts won’t actually happen, anyway, so the ratio is irrelevant.

    I do remember learning that you can’t divide by zero…

    to infinity and beyond!


  49. coldwarrior
    49 | January 1, 2013 11:29 am

    so, the left is always on about ‘sustainability’, well, this debt/spending and regulations are unsustainable.


  50. 50 | January 1, 2013 11:33 am

    dwells38 wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Yeah it’s like, WTF is your message you little dimbulbs? Is it “stop me before I glorify violence, gore and guns again”? Seriously, Jamie Foxx after coming right off the set of a Tarantino splatter fest? Just take the money and STFU already.

    Jamie Foxx, that’s the sumbitch i couldn’t remember his stupid name, was so happy on the set of his last movie because he got to “kill all the white people”, right, that’s him? that illiterate thug can go to hell (eventually, i’m convinced he will). i’ll never see his crappy gorey movie. and that thug jayz and his illiterate wife “beyonce” can go with him. what the hell kind of name is that anyway? another “sha’ neequa”? like the idiot i went to high school with named Lanette who changed it to “La’ Nette”. what a bunch of f*cking morons.


  51. 51 | January 1, 2013 11:36 am

    RIX wrote:

    Or the White House. You could end up on the menu.

    Muslims don’t eat dog. It was probably Bill Ayers who ate dog during his travels in Vietnam and he then wove it into Obama’s fictional, ghost-written autobiography.


  52. RIX
    52 | January 1, 2013 11:41 am

    @ dwells38:
    And that’s the difference. Dogs occupy a high place in Western Countries.
    In Islam they are considered unclean creatures, basically because they hated
    the Dear Prophet.
    Smart critters.


  53. 53 | January 1, 2013 11:42 am

    @ RIX:
    Well, dogs do seem to be able to detect evil.


  54. unclassifiable
    54 | January 1, 2013 11:43 am

    Good post Speranza.

    Well vacation is over. Back on my head…

    I began this vacation with the realization that logic and reason are not enough.

    This realization forced me to download a copy of Dale Carnegie’s How To Win Friends and Influence People.

    At the end of the chapter of “Principal 1″ is this:

    Don’t criticize, condemn or complain.

    Wow, now that has me dang near speechless:D


  55. dwells38
    55 | January 1, 2013 11:59 am

    @ Kirly:

    Yep. That’s the one. Used to be a funny guy. Now he’s another Hollyweird coddled moron that thinks he can pontificate and insult others with impunity and the MILLIONZ of BUCKZ will keep rolling in. Hope it works for you schmuck.


  56. Bumr50
    56 | January 1, 2013 12:00 pm

    OT -- You can design your own Made in the USA New Balance shoes here.

    That is all.

    Just though it was pretty cool…


  57. dwells38
    57 | January 1, 2013 12:04 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    You just had to remind me I’ve got 10 pounds to lose. :)


  58. dwells38
    58 | January 1, 2013 12:07 pm

    @ RIX:

    Plus the Islamist movement attracts the ruthless, the diabolical and the sadistic. They’re just one big happy family of treacherous haters.


  59. Da_Beerfreak
    59 | January 1, 2013 12:10 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    so, the left is always on about ‘sustainability’, well, this debt/spending and regulations are unsustainable.

    I don’t think that word means what they think it means… :wink:


  60. RIX
    60 | January 1, 2013 12:10 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Well, dogs do seem to be able to detect evil.


  61. RIX
    61 | January 1, 2013 12:12 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Kirly wrote:

    Submitted early last time. Yup, dogs have a sense.


  62. RIX
    62 | January 1, 2013 12:15 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    I didn’t know that Ayers ever set foot in Viet Nam.


  63. Bumr50
    63 | January 1, 2013 12:18 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    That word makes the company I work for a LOT of money.

    Globally, architects, designers, and engineers are eating it up, along with the tax incentives to “go sustainable.”


  64. RIX
    64 | January 1, 2013 12:19 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Dog meat is consumed in Indonesia by certain cultures.
    Strictly observant Muslims do not eat dogs, so the question is was
    Lolo observant?


  65. whosoever
    65 | January 1, 2013 12:20 pm

    Hitler’s dog (the one named Godwin) reportedly loved him though. Just sayin’


  66. Da_Beerfreak
    66 | January 1, 2013 12:23 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    Every time I see or hear the word ‘sustainable’ or its many variations, I just automatically replace it with ‘socialist’ to expose the true meaning of what they are trying to say. :evil:


  67. RIX
    67 | January 1, 2013 12:23 pm

    whosoever wrote:

    Hitler’s dog (the one named Godwin) reportedly loved him though. Just sayin’

    And Hitler was a dog lover.


  68. brookly red
    68 | January 1, 2013 12:25 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Every time I see or hear the word ‘sustainable’ or its many variations, I just automatically replace it with ‘socialist’ to expose the true meaning of what they are trying to say.

    funny part is that socialism is not sustainable, running out of other people’s money and all…


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | January 1, 2013 12:25 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    That word makes the company I work for a LOT of money.
    Globally, architects, designers, and engineers are eating it up, along with the tax incentives to “go sustainable.”

    that sort of thing i dont mind. taking care to reduce waste and pollution is not a bad thing.

    i do mind when ‘sustainable’ means less freedoms for humans…see UN agenda 21


  70. Bumr50
    70 | January 1, 2013 12:32 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Yeah.

    But the paychecks are nice…

    Our material is very strong, cost-effective, and aesthetically desirable in the current market.

    That’s the reason that we can make money and still claim “sustainability,” where a solar panel plant cannot.

    Also, the past two years have been a real eye-opener for our more “well-educated” staff (my boss has an engineering degree from Cornell and a dual Masters in business operations and materials science) being thrown into a startup together and having to navigate today’s business climate WHILE developing a process.

    Many libs to conservatives, at least fiscally, converted.


  71. 71 | January 1, 2013 1:04 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Subaru’s Indiana plant (where the wife’s Outback came from) was the first “zero Landfill” auto manufacturing facility. Nothing goes to a landfill. Pretty amazing, when you think about it.


  72. brookly red
    72 | January 1, 2013 1:13 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Bumr50:

    Subaru’s Indiana plant (where the wife’s Outback came from) was the first “zero Landfill” auto manufacturing facility. Nothing goes to a landfill. Pretty amazing, when you think about it.

    question? do they actually manufacture or simply assemble parts made else where?


  73. Bumr50
    73 | January 1, 2013 1:14 pm

    Uh-oh.

    Going through the holiday “table mail,” it would appear that as of 12:00 AM our dog is officially ‘undocumented.’


  74. brookly red
    74 | January 1, 2013 1:17 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Uh-oh.

    Going through the holiday “table mail,” it would appear that as of 12:00 AM our dog is officially ‘undocumented.’

    /cool! free vet care, kibble stamps and in-state obedience school tuition rates LOL


  75. John Difool
    75 | January 1, 2013 1:18 pm

    Fun Fact of the Day:

    2013 is the first year since 1987 with four different numerals.

    Happy New Years Everyone !


  76. 76 | January 1, 2013 1:19 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Uh-oh.

    Going through the holiday “table mail,” it would appear that as of 12:00 AM our dog is officially ‘undocumented.’

    my car was almost undocumented! Woke up at about 10pm last night and remembered vehicle registration is due 12/31 (i actually bought the vehicle on 12/31 a few years back) AND my contribution to AZ Scholarships which results in an AZ state income tax offset. it was a close call but i got ‘em both in under the wire.


  77. 77 | January 1, 2013 1:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ Bumr50:
    Subaru’s Indiana plant (where the wife’s Outback came from) was the first “zero Landfill” auto manufacturing facility. Nothing goes to a landfill. Pretty amazing, when you think about it.
    question? do they actually manufacture or simply assemble parts made else where?

    IIRC, the car is 55% American parts. The drivetrains/engines are from Japan. The Indiana plant is an assembly plant, but I think they make the body panels and some other stuff there as well.


  78. brookly red
    78 | January 1, 2013 1:24 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ Bumr50:
    Subaru’s Indiana plant (where the wife’s Outback came from) was the first “zero Landfill” auto manufacturing facility. Nothing goes to a landfill. Pretty amazing, when you think about it.
    question? do they actually manufacture or simply assemble parts made else where?

    IIRC, the car is 55% American parts. The drivetrains/engines are from Japan. The Indiana plant is an assembly plant, but I think they make the body panels and some other stuff there as well.

    well if they actually do make stuff there and produce no land fill great, but I suspect it is just “green-washing” and where the other parts are actually made that is where the land fill is.


  79. brookly red
    79 | January 1, 2013 1:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well if they actually do make stuff there and produce no land fill great, but I suspect it is just “green-washing” and where the other parts are actually made that is where the land fill is.

    not that I want to hate on Sabaru… they make a nice product and employ Americans.


  80. Bumr50
    80 | January 1, 2013 1:29 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Our plant reprocesses all of our industrial water waste using diatomaceous earth and one of these.


  81. John Difool
    81 | January 1, 2013 1:31 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    A lot of foreign cars are now made in America with American parts like Toyota. Libs & Dems don’t count them though because these companies don’t worship at the feet of unions.

    Meanwhile, after the auto-bailouts the companies like GM & Chrysler that got awash in taxpayer cash have moved a lot of their production overseas or down to Mexico, but you won’t hear about that from the msm. The union fat-cat’s don’t give a f**k because they got paid good hush-money to keep their mouths shut a long time ago.


  82. Speranza
    82 | January 1, 2013 1:34 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ Urban Infidel:
    I loved every minute of that!

    Notice that the hip hop/rap ‘community’ was notably absent in the original. And that bubbleheaded Beyonce should shut the hell up, her buffoonish husband Jay Z oversees a kingdom of thug culture.

    Cameron Diaz has the IQ of an ashtray.


  83. brookly red
    83 | January 1, 2013 1:36 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    cool!


  84. 84 | January 1, 2013 1:38 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Why do you think GM killed Pontiac instead of Buick, when Pontiac’s US sales were substantially higher than Buick’s? Because there’s no Pontiacs in China, but the roads are littered with Buicks, that’s why.

    Not that I blame GM per se for building cars in China. That’s the only way you can sell anything other than exotica in China, due to the import duty on vehicles made out of country. Last time I looked, GM had 8 assembly plants in China.


  85. Bumr50
    85 | January 1, 2013 1:38 pm

    This is a FAIL worth watching:

    OLYMPIA, Wash. – With a bump in the minimum wage to $9.19 an hour on Tuesday, high school student Miranda Olson will edge closer to her goal of purchasing that black Volkswagen Beetle she’s been researching online.

    Olson is only able to pick up part-time hours, working after classes and on weekends. But the extra pennies she’ll earn in 2013 will add up over the coming weeks and months.
    “It’s not much, but it’s something,” said Olson, 16, who works at Wagner’s European Bakery and Cafe in Olympia. “Every bit helps.”

    Many workers around the country won’t be as lucky as the ones in Washington state, which is raising its salary minimum even though it already has the highest state baseline in the country. Workers one state over — in Idaho — will make nearly $2 per hour less in 2013.

    Automatic minimum wage increases designed to compensate for inflation have steadily pushed up salaries in some states, even through the recession, expanding the pay gap between areas that make annual adjustments and those that don’t. Of the 10 states that will increase the minimum wage Tuesday, nine did so automatically to adjust for inflation.
    Rhode Island lawmakers approved that state’s wage increase this past year.

    ht -- Fox


  86. lobo91
    86 | January 1, 2013 1:40 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I doubt that much goes to a landfill out of the Government Motors plants in Detroit.

    They just dump the trash out the back door. It’s Detroit, after all.


  87. RIX
    87 | January 1, 2013 1:42 pm

    Northern Illinois University plays Florida State in the Orange Bowl
    tonight, It is the first MAC team to play in a BCS Bowl.
    It’s big news around here as lots of kids in the area go there.
    Kirk Herbstriet an ESPN analyist called it “An absolute joke that
    Northern is in the BCS”
    Lots of NIU students will be wearing shirts saying “Kirk Herbstriet
    bites.”


  88. brookly red
    88 | January 1, 2013 1:42 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    This is a FAIL worth watching:

    OLYMPIA, Wash. – With a bump in the minimum wage to $9.19 an hour on Tuesday, high school student Miranda Olson will edge closer to her goal of purchasing that black Volkswagen Beetle she’s been researching online.

    Olson is only able to pick up part-time hours, working after classes and on weekends. But the extra pennies she’ll earn in 2013 will add up over the coming weeks and months.
    “It’s not much, but it’s something,” said Olson, 16, who works at Wagner’s European Bakery and Cafe in Olympia. “Every bit helps.”

    Many workers around the country won’t be as lucky as the ones in Washington state, which is raising its salary minimum even though it already has the highest state baseline in the country. Workers one state over — in Idaho — will make nearly $2 per hour less in 2013.

    Automatic minimum wage increases designed to compensate for inflation have steadily pushed up salaries in some states, even through the recession, expanding the pay gap between areas that make annual adjustments and those that don’t. Of the 10 states that will increase the minimum wage Tuesday, nine did so automatically to adjust for inflation.
    Rhode Island lawmakers approved that state’s wage increase this past year.

    ht — Fox

    and taxes also go up… surprise! she actually brings home less.


  89. Speranza
    89 | January 1, 2013 1:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I doubt that much goes to a landfill out of the Government Motors plants in Detroit.
    They just dump the trash out the back door. It’s Detroit, after all.

    Chicago is rapidly going the way of Detroit.


  90. brookly red
    90 | January 1, 2013 1:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They just dump send the trash out the back door to DC. It’s Detroit, after all.


  91. lobo91
    91 | January 1, 2013 1:44 pm

    @ brookly red:

    and taxes also go up… surprise! she actually brings home less.

    For which she’ll blame Republicans, of course.


  92. brookly red
    92 | January 1, 2013 1:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    and taxes also go up… surprise! she actually brings home less.

    For which she’ll blame Republicans, of course.

    they are not blameless


  93. John Difool
    93 | January 1, 2013 1:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    @ Urban Infidel:
    I loved every minute of that!
    Notice that the hip hop/rap ‘community’ was notably absent in the original. And that bubbleheaded Beyonce should shut the hell up, her buffoonish husband Jay Z oversees a kingdom of thug culture.

    Cameron Diaz has the IQ of an ashtray.

    What’s most hypocritical to me is not so much that these same folks coming out against the evil American gun culture not only promote it in their works but that their industry as a whole is probably the biggest promoter, buyer & supporter of it.

    Think about all of the armament tucked away in movie studios in Hollywood. The guns used in these movies for the most part aren’t props they are real guns that fire blanks. I wonder how many millions upon millions of dollars they’ve spent through the decades on that massive inventory?

    With that said I’ll the The Thirty Mile Zone has enough guns of all makes models tucked away in their studios to put several large military base to shame.


  94. Speranza
    94 | January 1, 2013 1:47 pm

    @ John Difool:
    Many of these celebs have gun permits (i.e. Sean Penn) or walk around with armed body guards.


  95. John Difool
    95 | January 1, 2013 1:48 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Many of these celebs have gun permits (i.e. Sean Penn) or walk around with armed body guards.

    Yes, it’s good to be a rich hypocrite living in an insulated bubble.


  96. Speranza
    96 | January 1, 2013 1:49 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    Many of these celebs have gun permits (i.e. Sean Penn) or walk around with armed body guards.

    Yes, it’s good to be a rich hypocrite living in an insulated bubble.

    Heckuva lifestyle. To be immune to Obamaism.


  97. RIX
    97 | January 1, 2013 1:51 pm

    By Noah Rothman

    Georgetown University constitutional law professor Louis Michael Seidman has just about had it with the focus of his 40 years of academic study. As he writes in the New York Times on Monday, it is the Constitution itself which has allowed for the series of legislative follies that finally resulted in the “fiscal cliff.” Seidman says that it is time for Americans to realize what lawmakers have known since the constitution’s inception – it is okay to ignore it.

    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/ny-times/2012/12/31/ny-times-constitution-downright-evil#ixzz2GkdDXLMO
    This is how far things have gone. would he like his Constitutional right to free speech recinded?


  98. brookly red
    99 | January 1, 2013 1:52 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Many of these celebs have gun permits (i.e. Sean Penn) or walk around with armed body guards.

    Yes, it’s good to be a rich hypocrite living in an insulated bubble.

    yet so many are communists


  99. John Difool
    100 | January 1, 2013 1:52 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    Many of these celebs have gun permits (i.e. Sean Penn) or walk around with armed body guards.
    Yes, it’s good to be a rich hypocrite living in an insulated bubble.

    Heckuva lifestyle. To be immune to Obamaism.

    The reason why these rich f**ktards don’t give a crap about the shit they promote is because at the end of the day they can afford to spend a million dollars to keep from paying 2 million in taxes….and they’ll also get to keep their guns.


  100. John Difool
    101 | January 1, 2013 1:56 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    Many of these celebs have gun permits (i.e. Sean Penn) or walk around with armed body guards.
    Yes, it’s good to be a rich hypocrite living in an insulated bubble.

    yet so many are communists

    Don’t know if you’ve read World War Z but there is an excellent part of the book where a bunch of celebs & journalists are holed up in a compound in NYC when the shit really hits the fan.

    All of their armed guards decide to dd on them & save their own asses & then absolute hilarity ensues when they can’t figure out how to take care of themselves & then turn on each other.

    Somehow I doubt that part will make it into the Brad Pitt movie.


  101. brookly red
    102 | January 1, 2013 1:59 pm

    RIX wrote:

    This is how far things have gone. would he like his Constitutional right to free speech recinded?

    No, not his… yours.


  102. 103 | January 1, 2013 1:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Many of these celebs have gun permits (i.e. Sean Penn) or walk around with armed body guards.

    Yes, it’s good to be a rich hypocrite living in an insulated bubble.

    yet so many are communists

    technicality buy i think, rather than BE communists which would result in the loss of their wealth, they support it for all us little people. Making them even bigger hypocrits.


  103. Speranza
    104 | January 1, 2013 2:00 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    The reason why these rich f**ktards don’t give a crap about the shit they promote is because at the end of the day they can afford to spend a million dollars to keep from paying 2 million in taxes….and they’ll also get to keep their guns.

    They also hire the best lawyers and accountants and know all the tricks and loopholes how to preserve their money.


  104. brookly red
    105 | January 1, 2013 2:01 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Don’t know if you’ve read World War Z but there is an excellent part of the book where a bunch of celebs & journalists are holed up in a compound in NYC when the shit really hits the fan.

    we already have a plan in place to embargo their Starbucks, hehehe


  105. lobo91
    106 | January 1, 2013 2:03 pm

    @ Speranza:

    They also hire the best lawyers and accountants and know all the tricks and loopholes how to preserve their money.

    In many cases, those very “loopholes” are there at their behest in the first place.


  106. John Difool
    107 | January 1, 2013 2:05 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    Many of these celebs have gun permits (i.e. Sean Penn) or walk around with armed body guards.
    Yes, it’s good to be a rich hypocrite living in an insulated bubble.
    yet so many are communists

    technicality buy i think, rather than BE communists which would result in the loss of their wealth, they support it for all us little people. Making them even bigger hypocrits.

    Well then you have idiots like George Clooney who practically sucks off the president every chance he gets (or maybe vice-versa) who make their primary residences in Laglio, Italy.

    Why does that matter? Well, because Northern Italy for the most part is arguably the most conservative & one of the wealthiest parts of Europe.

    You see, although he promotes destruction & serfdom for us proles in his homeland, he knows he can always run to the safety of his multi-million dollar Italian villa when the shit hits.


  107. lobo91
    108 | January 1, 2013 2:07 pm

    I love it when members of Congress go on TV and complain about some company or other taking advantage of loopholes in order to reduce the taxes they pay.

    They apparently forget that they’re the ones who write the friggin’ tax code. And the loopholes are there because those companies asked for them. They didn’t just magically appear.


  108. Speranza
    109 | January 1, 2013 2:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    They also hire the best lawyers and accountants and know all the tricks and loopholes how to preserve their money.

    In many cases, those very “loopholes” are there at their behest in the first place.

    That is true. In a way they count on Republicans to protect their money for them. That’s why I say tax Hollywood!


  109. John Difool
    110 | January 1, 2013 2:12 pm

    I find it funny that with all of the bitching, moaning & whining on the right blogosphere today about the deal stuck in the Senate last night that over at places like Huffpo it’s almost an exact mirror image of the same thing.

    Which makes me wonder if this thing will get past the House after all on the Dem side?

    And then you have places like Zerohedge that right now is making Ace of Spades look like The Christian Science Monitor.


  110. John Difool
    111 | January 1, 2013 2:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I love it when members of Congress go on TV and complain about some company or other taking advantage of loopholes in order to reduce the taxes they pay.
    They apparently forget that they’re the ones who write the friggin’ tax code. And the loopholes are there because those companies asked for them. They didn’t just magically appear.

    Saw an article the other day that said around 98% of the lobbyists in D.C. are in one shape or form related to a member in Congress or the Whitehouse and people wonder why we’re in the shape we’re in.


  111. RIX
    112 | January 1, 2013 2:15 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    This is how far things have gone. would he like his Constitutional right to free speech recinded?

    No, not his… yours.

    And he would justify it, because he is more enlightened.


  112. brookly red
    113 | January 1, 2013 2:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    They also hire the best lawyers and accountants and know all the tricks and loopholes how to preserve their money.

    In many cases, those very “loopholes” are there at their behest in the first place.

    That is true. In a way they count on Republicans to protect their money for them. That’s why I say tax Hollywood!

    well here is an idea to crack the ice and get the libs to demand it… we join them in equating violent movies with actual violence and demand Hollywood be taxed (wait for it)

    to provide school safety officers. :)


  113. brookly red
    114 | January 1, 2013 2:22 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I love it when members of Congress go on TV and complain about some company or other taking advantage of loopholes in order to reduce the taxes they pay.
    They apparently forget that they’re the ones who write the friggin’ tax code. And the loopholes are there because those companies asked for them. They didn’t just magically appear.

    Saw an article the other day that said around 98% of the lobbyists in D.C. are in one shape or form related to a member in Congress or the Whitehouse and people wonder why we’re in the shape we’re in.

    in a way the OWS people have an instinctual sense that the system is indeed corrupt and broken, they just blame the wrong people.


  114. Bumr50
    115 | January 1, 2013 2:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    they just blame the wrong people.

    Getting your “facts” from the SEIU will do that.


  115. lobo91
    116 | January 1, 2013 2:25 pm

    @ brookly red:

    in a way the OWS people have an instinctual sense that the system is indeed corrupt and broken, they just blame the wrong people.

    “We have met the enemy and he is us.”


  116. John Difool
    117 | January 1, 2013 2:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    I love it when members of Congress go on TV and complain about some company or other taking advantage of loopholes in order to reduce the taxes they pay.
    They apparently forget that they’re the ones who write the friggin’ tax code. And the loopholes are there because those companies asked for them. They didn’t just magically appear.
    Saw an article the other day that said around 98% of the lobbyists in D.C. are in one shape or form related to a member in Congress or the Whitehouse and people wonder why we’re in the shape we’re in.

    in a way the OWS people have an instinctual sense that the system is indeed corrupt and broken, they just blame the wrong people.

    They are Bizarro Tea-Party


  117. brookly red
    118 | January 1, 2013 2:28 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    @ lobo91:
    @ John Difool:

    true, yes & uh-hu


  118. dwells38
    119 | January 1, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ brookly red:

    And disincentivizes productivity, creativity, investment risk and everything else that leads to a prosperous super-power economy. Morons are killing the goose and blaming the goose to boot.


  119. John Difool
    120 | January 1, 2013 2:32 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    @ lobo91:
    @ John Difool:
    true, yes & uh-hu

    If you haven’t already watch Occupy Unmasked. Occupy was actually created by Van Jones with a lot of help from an NYT journalist. Make no mistake, Van Jones is a real-deal commie the kind that would make most other commies nervous to be around.


  120. brookly red
    121 | January 1, 2013 2:34 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    @ lobo91:
    @ John Difool:
    true, yes & uh-hu

    If you haven’t already watch Occupy Unmasked. Occupy was actually created by Van Jones with a lot of help from an NYT journalist. Make no mistake, Van Jones is a real-deal commie the kind that would make most other commies nervous to be around.

    well yes, and he has no shortage of useful idiots


  121. eaglesoars
    122 | January 1, 2013 2:35 pm

    dwells38 wrote:

    Morons are killing the goose

    Crimeny, you think it’s bad here? Look at Portugal.

    Lisbon plans to lift income tax revenue by more than 30 per cent, raising the effective average rate by more than a third from 9.8 to 13.2 per cent. Anyone receiving more than the minimum wage of €485 a month, including pensioners, will also pay an extraordinary tax of 3.5 per cent on their income.

    The increases, which the centre-right government has itself described as “enormous”, are designed to ensure Lisbon meets deficit-reduction targets agreed with international lenders as part of a €78bn bailout…

    Total tax revenue has fallen considerably below target this year, forcing the government to implement additional austerity measures to meet even the more relaxed budget deficit targets agreed with the EU and International Monetary Fund in September.

    Lisbon plans to lift income tax revenue by more than 30 per cent, raising the effective average rate by more than a third from 9.8 to 13.2 per cent. Anyone receiving more than the minimum wage of €485 a month, including pensioners, will also pay an extraordinary tax of 3.5 per cent on their income.

    The increases, which the centre-right government has itself described as “enormous”, are designed to ensure Lisbon meets deficit-reduction targets agreed with international lenders as part of a €78bn bailout…

    Total tax revenue has fallen considerably below target this year, forcing the government to implement additional austerity measures to meet even the more relaxed budget deficit targets agreed with the EU and International Monetary Fund in September.

    Blood. Stone.


  122. eaglesoars
    123 | January 1, 2013 2:37 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    a lot of help from an NYT journalist.

    ???

    I remember a woman who was a stringer for the NYT that somebody exposed. Is that who you’re referrring to?


  123. John Difool
    124 | January 1, 2013 2:41 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    a lot of help from an NYT journalist.
    ???
    I remember a woman who was a stringer for the NYT that somebody exposed. Is that who you’re referrring to?

    Could be, originally she put the word out that there would be a free Radiohead concert at Zucotti park which was a lie.

    Knowing the Free Shit Army sheeple like she does, she & Jones knew tens of thousands would show up & then they would have a captive audience for their propaganda.

    It worked all too well & that’s how it started.


  124. lobo91
    125 | January 1, 2013 2:41 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The increases, which the centre-right government has itself described as “enormous”, are designed to ensure Lisbon meets deficit-reduction targets agreed with international lenders as part of a €78bn bailout

    And a year from now, we’ll be reading about how “shocked” they are that tax revenues “unexpectedly” fell, instead of increasing.


  125. John Difool
    126 | January 1, 2013 2:43 pm

    Holy shit, deal has failed the House, now going back to the Senate for changes.

    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa !!!!!!


  126. lobo91
    127 | January 1, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Lisbon plans to lift income tax revenue by more than 30 per cent, raising the effective average rate by more than a third from 9.8 to 13.2 per cent.

    While those rates sound pretty low, that’s in addition to a 23% VAT.


  127. eaglesoars
    128 | January 1, 2013 2:50 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Holy shit, deal has failed the House, now going back to the Senate for changes.

    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa !!!!!!

    huh? I thought they’re in recess?


  128. dwells38
    129 | January 1, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ha! Pogo.


  129. lobo91
    130 | January 1, 2013 2:54 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Holy shit, deal has failed the House, now going back to the Senate for changes.
    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa !!!!!!
    huh? I thought they’re in recess?

    The House came back at noon today.


  130. 131 | January 1, 2013 2:54 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    No, the vote is today. But I don’t see the results on any news site yet.


  131. John Difool
    132 | January 1, 2013 2:57 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Holy shit, deal has failed the House, now going back to the Senate for changes.
    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa !!!!!!

    huh? I thought they’re in recess?

    Nope, they’re in a special session. They thought this was a done deal & Boehner just said he could only muster up 30 votes on the GOP side.

    *snicker*

    Of course he’s now saying he & Cantor are also against it now but make no mistake with these two, that’s just sports politics on their behalf because if they could have mustered up enough votes they would have been all for it. At this point he & Cantor are just trying to keep their appointments as Speaker & MW so they’re going to go along with the cool kids. The vote for those two assignments comes up Thursday.

    Now it gets hit like a shuttle-cock back to the Senate.


  132. John Difool
    133 | January 1, 2013 2:57 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    No, the vote is today. But I don’t see the results on any news site yet.

    AoS & HA but I’m mostly following it on Twitter with my mobile.


  133. brookly red
    134 | January 1, 2013 3:00 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    No, the vote is today. But I don’t see the results on any news site yet.

    AoS & HA but I’m mostly following it on Twitter with my mobile.

    the “experts” have been saving all along the 50 TP votes were enough to sink it…


  134. Aussie Infidel
    135 | January 1, 2013 3:00 pm

    A great review that everyone here should take the time to read and digest. It lays it all out … chapter and verse….. about why we are in the bind we are in right now.

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/130221/sec_id/130221

    Perhaps a new threat on this might be called for Rodan?


  135. lobo91
    136 | January 1, 2013 3:01 pm

    The Dem leadership from the House is holding a news conference on CSpan now.


  136. Aussie Infidel
    137 | January 1, 2013 3:01 pm

    threat = thread.

    opps my Freudian slip! :)


  137. Speranza
    138 | January 1, 2013 3:02 pm

    New thread is up.


  138. John Difool
    139 | January 1, 2013 3:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Mike C. wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    No, the vote is today. But I don’t see the results on any news site yet.
    AoS & HA but I’m mostly following it on Twitter with my mobile.

    the “experts” have been saving all along the 50 TP votes were enough to sink it…

    I agree. My hats off to Rubio & Paul. Those two are the reason this happened in The House in my opinion after they came out strongly opposing it in the Senate although I’m sure Ryan & Bachmann are rallying the troops in The House.


  139. brookly red
    140 | January 1, 2013 3:07 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Mike C. wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    No, the vote is today. But I don’t see the results on any news site yet.
    AoS & HA but I’m mostly following it on Twitter with my mobile.

    the “experts” have been saving all along the 50 TP votes were enough to sink it…

    I agree. My hats off to Rubio & Paul. Those two are the reason this happened in The House in my opinion after they came out strongly opposing it in the Senate although I’m sure Ryan & Bachmann are rallying the troops in The House.

    and now that the beast is bloodied the fence sitters will come out to get their piece.


  140. 141 | January 1, 2013 3:08 pm

    Not even CSPAN’s website has anything yet.


  141. darkwords
    142 | January 1, 2013 3:09 pm

    @ 135 Aussie Infidel:

    Iran recognized no authority or power but that of Almighty God and no legal tradition apart from Islamic law.

    Dimwit seems to be the Western form of Dhimmi.


  142. brookly red
    143 | January 1, 2013 3:10 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Not even CSPAN’s website has anything yet.

    they haven’t been issued their talking points yet…


  143. lobo91
    144 | January 1, 2013 3:10 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Not even CSPAN’s website has anything yet.

    There hasn’t been a vote in the House yet.


  144. darkwords
    145 | January 1, 2013 3:13 pm

    @ 135 Aussie Infidel: The West is in denial. The EU has an archetypal guilt in it that performs a machositic oblivion on it’s population. Have to teach the kids to be Mad Max’s.


  145. 146 | January 1, 2013 3:14 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The news conference was by the Democratic Caucus.


  146. John Difool
    147 | January 1, 2013 3:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Not even CSPAN’s website has anything yet.
    There hasn’t been a vote in the House yet.

    No need to vote on something you can’t get the votes for. That’s why they’re just sending it back to the Senate for a re-write. Passing the buck.


  147. Aussie Infidel
    148 | January 1, 2013 3:21 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 135 Aussie Infidel: The West is in denial. The EU has an archetypal guilt in it that performs a machositic oblivion on it’s population. Have to teach the kids to be Mad Max’s.

    Actually I don’t believe the boilerplate … denial… western guilt trip, meme. I think this is a well thought through long term plan by would be internationalist socialist totalitarians from Northern Europe.

    Just like the bounce back of the Fascist International Socialist left after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1990 the Fascist Nationalist Left NAZIs didn’t just evaporate in 1945. The morphed and hid until the late 1960s when they came back with a vengeance


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