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We Just Called to Say We LOVE Israel!

by 1389AD ( 347 Comments › )
Filed under Israel, Music, Open thread at January 1st, 2013 - 3:00 pm

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Published on Dec 6, 2012 by IsraelinContext

Singer Stevie Wonder agreed to perform at the 2012 winter gala of the Friends of the Israel Defense Forces, until anti-Israel groups pressured him to cancel. Stevie caved to their lies and propaganda and backed out. Stevie, this one is for you.

Show your love for Israel and stand up against the hateful boycott against Israel by signing this petition: http://westandforisrael.com/.

Lyrics (sing along!):

No Hannukah
For Stevie Wonder
No blue & white chocolate coins to give away

The Arab Spring
No cause to sing
In fact, for terror it’s just an ordinary day

The rockets rain
on Israel’s bloom
No one stands up for Israel in her time of gloom

But what Israel is,
is something true
No one can stop three words that we must say to you:

We just called to say we love you
We just called to say how much we care
We just called to say we love you
And we support you from the bottom of our hearts

Now’s the time
To end the lies
To shine the Jewish light through the Arabian night

No Sabbath peace,
while sirens ring,
not even time for the few birds to fly through southern skies

Israel’s the sun
The Mid-east Queen
She gets no thanks for all the bounty that she brings

But Israel, you’re oh so good
Defend yourself as only you ever could

We just called to say we love you
We just called to say how much we care
We just called to say we love you
And we support you from the bottom of our hearts


This video was produced and created by:
Creative Zionist Coalition – creativezionistcoalition@gmail.com
and
Israel in Context – www.facebook.com/israelincontext

Concept: Orit Arfa
Lyrics: Orit and Sharon Arfa
Vocals: Orit Arfa
Direction: Lara Berman & Orit Arfa
Production: Lara Berman & Orit Arfa
Editing: Lara Berman


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347 Responses to “We Just Called to Say We LOVE Israel!”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | January 1, 2013 3:03 pm

    That whole BDS charade is an epic failure.


  2. Aussie Infidel
    2 | January 1, 2013 3:03 pm

    Ok this is related enough to allow a segway I think :)

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/130221/sec_id/130221


  3. Speranza
    3 | January 1, 2013 3:07 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Ok this is related enough to allow a segway I think
    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/130221/sec_id/130221

    I just finished reading it.


  4. Speranza
    4 | January 1, 2013 3:07 pm

    Of course no calls for boycotting Syria or Egypt.


  5. eaglesoars
    5 | January 1, 2013 3:08 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    That whole BDS charade is an epic failure.

    you lost me………….


  6. Speranza
    6 | January 1, 2013 3:10 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    That whole BDS charade is an epic failure.

    you lost me………….

    Boycott, Divestment, Sanction – not difficult to understand what the left wants to do to Israel. They want to South Aficaize it as if Israel 2013 is South Africa 1985.


  7. 7 | January 1, 2013 3:11 pm

    There’s not much of a compromise from the Democrats on this Fiscal Cliff deal. There are $41 in tax increases for every $1 of spending cuts (if, indeed, there are any real cuts). That’s not a compromise, that is a surrender.


  8. lobo91
    8 | January 1, 2013 3:12 pm

    @ Speranza:

    And South Africa has turned out to be such a resounding success since they got their way…
    //


  9. Aussie Infidel
    9 | January 1, 2013 3:13 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Ok this is related enough to allow a segway I think
    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/130221/sec_id/130221

    I just finished reading it.

    I think it encapsulates what happened in the 1970s and the underpinnings of Islam-infestation that goes back a further half century before that. One of my Friday Irish pub crew is a close friend of Bat Y’or. Alas her books though full of facts are somewhat dense and take quite a bit of fortitude to read from cover to cover. He’s trying to get bat Y’or and Mark Steyn together. with Y’or’s grasp of the facts and Steyns lighter wordplay, they would be a fearsome combination. Time will tell. :)


  10. lobo91
    10 | January 1, 2013 3:15 pm

    South Africa’s Jacob Zuma: Pet dogs are part of ‘white culture’

    South Africa’s often controversial president, Jacob Zuma, emboldened after being strongly voted in for a second term as president this month, told black South Africans they should never try to behave like whites.

    Buying a pet dog is part of “white culture,” said Zuma, a staunch traditionalist, wading into South Africa’s often tense debate on race in his first speech after being reelected by the African National Congress. So are taking dogs for walks and spending money on veterinarians when the animals are sick, he said Wednesday in a speech in Impendle, in KwaZulu-Natal, according to a report in the Star newspaper.

    Zuma accused some people of caring more for their dogs than people and said they lacked humanity.

    The South African president’s remarks were controversial because the ANC policy is supposed to support a nonracial, nonsexist democracy.

    He warned young blacks not to try to emulate whites, telling them they would lose the respect of fellow black South Africans.

    He said young black women who straightened their hair were also trying to be like whites. Hair straightening is common in South Africa, and many other parts of the continent, and most South African supermarkets sell many varieties of hair relaxers designed to straighten hair.

    “Even if you apply any kind of lotion and straighten your hair you will never be white,” Zuma said in the speech, which ignited a storm in the media and on Twitter.


  11. darkwords
    11 | January 1, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ 2 Aussie Infidel:

    Given Israel’s size in comparison to the vast territories conquered by Islam, Bat Ye’or asks, “Why would Muslims keep plotting to destroy Israel” and “do so with such poisonous hatred?” Why, she asks, “is Israel considered so alarming?” There have been many attempts to answer that question. This writer has attempted to offer an answer from social psychology, namely, the rage experienced by so many Muslims that a people whom they have known primarily as dhimmis and, as such, have been the objects of contempt and/or condescension for fourteen hundred years should have defeated Muslims militarily not once but several times since the founding of the State of Israel in 1948.


  12. eaglesoars
    12 | January 1, 2013 3:16 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Got it, thanks (I was trying to figure out what Bush Derangement Syndrome had to do with anything!)


  13. darkwords
    13 | January 1, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ 10 lobo91: There is a good reason no one drinks Zuma


  14. 14 | January 1, 2013 3:19 pm

    Other than the fact that Pelosi has called on Boner to give the Senate bill and up or down vote today, I don’t see thatthere’s any news out of the House. I think some folks have jumped the gun a bit on this one.


  15. darkwords
    15 | January 1, 2013 3:19 pm

    Nor can this be done without Islamizing Christian origins as well, which Muslims claim are properly depicted in the Qur’an and not in the Bible.


  16. buzzsawmonkey
    16 | January 1, 2013 3:22 pm

    Speaking as a some-time song parodist, while I applaud the impetus I wish it were better.


  17. lobo91
    17 | January 1, 2013 3:23 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Other than the fact that Pelosi has called on Boner to give the Senate bill and up or down vote today, I don’t see thatthere’s any news out of the House. I think some folks have jumped the gun a bit on this one.

    Exactly.


  18. Aussie Infidel
    18 | January 1, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ darkwords:
    Bingo ! Give the man a cigar !

    :)


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    19 | January 1, 2013 3:25 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Boycott, Divestment, Sanction — not difficult to understand what the left wants to do to Israel. They want to South Aficaize it as if Israel 2013 is South Africa 1985.

    Exactly. There’s a jerk over at PJM who posts under the name of “Markus” who keeps hitting the “apartheid” theme—as if the Arab exclusion of Jews from Arab countries is not, every day, more “apartheid” than anything Israel has ever done.

    BTW, NPR, in one of its rare revealing moments of candor, ran a feature about a year ago which basically detailed that the violence in South Africa under the miracles of majority rule has become so bad that “even the blacks are leaving.” South Africa is a shit hole of the first order.


  20. John Difool
    20 | January 1, 2013 3:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Other than the fact that Pelosi has called on Boner to give the Senate bill and up or down vote today, I don’t see thatthere’s any news out of the House. I think some folks have jumped the gun a bit on this one.
    Exactly.

    She’s not calling for Bonehead to do an up or down vote on H.R. 8 which is what the Senate passed last night, she’s calling for a vote on Obama’s original bill just so she can get her crackly Botoxed mug in front of a camera & do some grandstanding about the evil extremist GOP Tea Party puppets wanting to see women & children starve.


  21. lobo91
    21 | January 1, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    BTW, NPR, in one of its rare revealing moments of candor, ran a feature about a year ago which basically detailed that the violence in South Africa under the miracles of majority rule has become so bad that “even the blacks are leaving.” South Africa is a shit hole of the first order.

    Funny how similar things have happened in every single African country that’s been turned over to black majority rule.

    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence…


  22. RIX
    22 | January 1, 2013 3:27 pm

    I apologize for going off of topic.
    Remember during his first run when Obama was asked about Bill Ayers?
    He said that he was “just a guy from the neighborhood” and that “Our
    children are friends.”
    Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn have two sons born in 1977 & 1980!
    I doubt very much that the kids were friends.


  23. dwells38
    23 | January 1, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I really hate shit like this. Perhaps these blacks aren’t trying to be “like whites” God forbid. But rather exercising their personal options in free society now that they are not oppressed. Dogs are entertaining and provide companionship and even protection. Women, black or white, want HAIR OPTIONS! If your hair is kinky, you can’t style much. Just like white women with flat dishrag hair curl it and perm it and do all kinds of things that DOESN’T mean they’re betraying their race which, lets face it, is a disturbing and somewhat racially bigoted idea. We’re all the same race and this guy’s a bigot and a racist.


  24. buzzsawmonkey
    24 | January 1, 2013 3:29 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    There’s not much of a compromise from the Democrats on this Fiscal Cliff deal. There are $41 in tax increases for every $1 of spending cuts (if, indeed, there are any real cuts). That’s not a compromise, that is a surrender.

    I would like to see Boehner grow a vestigial set of balls and shut the whole damned government down, passing a continuing resolution to fund nothing other than the armed forces, the courts, and the federal police services. Anything else gets passed only upon a budget agreement which reins in entitlements—and the EPA, Department of Education, and several other agencies go on the block. No money for “czars” again, ever.

    Boehner should be running the country at this point, given that he’s Speaker and the House controls the money. John McCormick, and Sam Rayburn before him, all but ran the country; the Speakership is one of the essential positions in the government. He should have Reid and Obama crawling naked over broken glass for every dime.


  25. buzzsawmonkey
    25 | January 1, 2013 3:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Funny how similar things have happened in every single African country that’s been turned over to black majority rule.

    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence…

    And Detroit.


  26. 26 | January 1, 2013 3:31 pm

    Eric Cantor did say he doesn’t support the Senate bill, however, which has to count as ominous.


  27. John Difool
    27 | January 1, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Boehner is like Lee Atwater….except without balls, a spine and the professionalisnm to show up for work sober.


  28. lobo91
    28 | January 1, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Absolutely.

    He also needs to inform the Democrats that there will be no more routine CRs to fund the government, the way they’ve been doing since Obama took over.

    No budget? No money.


  29. 29 | January 1, 2013 3:33 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I think Boehner wishes he were the Minority leader. Everything he has done is craven weakness. The man is unfit for the Speakership. Obama has racked up, what, $3 trillion in debt since the Repubublicans took over the House? What are they waiting for? The Republicans are spineless.


  30. buzzsawmonkey
    30 | January 1, 2013 3:33 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Boehner is like Lee Atwater….except without balls, a spine and the professionalisnm to show up for work sober.

    I wouldn’t care if he showed up for work drunk, if he were a really, really mean drunk.


  31. John Difool
    31 | January 1, 2013 3:33 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Eric Cantor did say he doesn’t support the Senate bill, however, which has to count as ominous.

    Some are saying he’s making a play for Boehner’s seat which wouldn’t surprise me at all with this opportunist schmuck.


  32. John Difool
    32 | January 1, 2013 3:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Boehner is like Lee Atwater….except without balls, a spine and the professionalisnm to show up for work sober.
    I wouldn’t care if he showed up for work drunk, if he were a really, really mean drunk.

    LOL. You’re right, too bad Boehner is an emotional crying drunk.


  33. heysoos
    33 | January 1, 2013 3:35 pm

    yowza…that CNN simu-blowjob last night was pretty stunning…wonder what the kids thought about that


  34. RIX
    34 | January 1, 2013 3:35 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Things sure improved with those White Devils in South Africa
    and Rhodesia deposed.
    It’s all Utopia now.


  35. lobo91
    35 | January 1, 2013 3:36 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Funny how similar things have happened in every single African country that’s been turned over to black majority rule.
    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence…
    And Detroit.

    Detroit’s more a Democrat thing. I don’t think it would be much different if the people running it were white.

    In Africa, though, it’s pathological. Since the blacks took over, they basically just reflexively reject whatever the whites running things would have done, as if there’s such a thing as “white” or “black” economics.


  36. John Difool
    36 | January 1, 2013 3:37 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    yowza…that CNN simu-blowjob last night was pretty stunning…wonder what the kids thought about that

    Any parent that turns on the t.v. and see’s Kathy Griffin and doesn’t immediately switch it back off isn’t much of a parent.


  37. dwells38
    37 | January 1, 2013 3:38 pm

    I guess we’re getting a first row seat in how world wars are started. Feckless, weak leadership, inaction in the face of clear evil, and then whistling past the graveyard until the inevitable and inescapeable confrontation with the existential threat. Of course by then we’ll be so flat busted and in debt we won’t even be able to clothe the soldiers much less arm them. It’s going to be scary when we want to go to war and China won’t loan us the money.


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    38 | January 1, 2013 3:38 pm

    Boehner reminds me of the actor who plays Roger DeBris, the gay play director in the original The Producers with Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder.


  39. buzzsawmonkey
    39 | January 1, 2013 3:40 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    yowza…that CNN simu-blowjob last night was pretty stunning…wonder what the kids thought about that

    What I miss by not having a TV. Who did what to whom, and why?


  40. eaglesoars
    40 | January 1, 2013 3:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    South Africa is a shit hole of the first order.

    I wonder where Zulubaby is. The last I heard from her (about 2 yrs?) she was dividing her time between Johannesburg and Tel Aviv. She has (had?) family in both.


  41. 41 | January 1, 2013 3:42 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I heard about that!My thought is that she was probably drunk on air, but with CNN who’d notice? Their target audience is Left, so they probably appreciated the free floor show.


  42. John Difool
    42 | January 1, 2013 3:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Boehner reminds me of the actor who plays Roger DeBris, the gay play director in the original The Producers with Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder.

    He reminds me of “Sensitive Elliot” from Bedazzled


  43. darkwords
    43 | January 1, 2013 3:42 pm

    In Africa it’s still a lack of reason and a reliance on the vestiages of tribalism and superstition. Still a huge problem. not just in Black Africa but in the lower med also.

    But I think a market economy is what fundamentally drives them. Franchise values around soccer and things might improve or it becomes a continent of huge soccer riots. Soccer is a white EU sport isn’t it?


  44. dwells38
    44 | January 1, 2013 3:43 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    yowza…that CNN simu-blowjob last night was pretty stunning…wonder what the kids thought about that

    Agreed. I watched the Griffin/Cooper vid on Breitbart in entirety just now. Her behavior didn’t surprise me but it made clear to me that nobody has any fricking sense at CNN. Cooper himself or some producer who’s thinking about the company’s market share should have been going apoplectic on breaks and saying “Get that dumbass OFF. NOW!” I’m no prude but what night other than NYE do kids get to stay up and watch the celebration? That is so out of place and just stupid business-wise. The competitor is saluting the perennially classy Dick Clark and you’re featuring miss Dick Suck on national TV? CNN: tune in NYE and see a craven ambition-drunk vulgar cnut do her blue standup with a reluctant gay guy and watch the ball (queue Beavis heh heh, heh heh) drop. Good luck with that marketing plan CNN.


  45. 45 | January 1, 2013 3:43 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    She was devoted to America just long enough to get her citizenship and passport, then she bailed (with a golden ticket to a safe out tucked away.) Feh.


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    46 | January 1, 2013 3:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Detroit’s more a Democrat thing. I don’t think it would be much different if the people running it were white.

    In Africa, though, it’s pathological. Since the blacks took over, they basically just reflexively reject whatever the whites running things would have done, as if there’s such a thing as “white” or “black” economics.

    I’d have to disagree, to some extent: in both Detroit and Africa, you have galloping communism as the ruling principle. In Africa, it takes the form of “anti-colonialism” and racism; in Detroit, it takes the form of “fair-share” demagoguery and racism. Do not forget that for forty years the separatists, Islamists, and Marxists who considered themselves fighting the same “anti-colonial” fight as the Africans have had free rein in the black community. They have re-created the African “liberation movements” in miniature here, and the result in Detroit is that they are re-creating the veldt as the houses burn and are pulled down and the city goes back to vacant land.


  47. buzzsawmonkey
    47 | January 1, 2013 3:46 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    He reminds me of “Sensitive Elliot” from Bedazzled

    “Sensitive Elliot”? I saw Bedazzled recently (Peter Cook & Dudley Moore) and don’t remember that character.


  48. lobo91
    48 | January 1, 2013 3:47 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I suppose it’s mostly a matter of degree.


  49. darkwords
    49 | January 1, 2013 3:47 pm

    Kathy Griffin had to be loaded and high. She kinda sucks the wholesomeness right out of life. Typical obama voter.


  50. John Difool
    50 | January 1, 2013 3:51 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    He reminds me of “Sensitive Elliot” from Bedazzled
    “Sensitive Elliot”? I saw Bedazzled recently (Peter Cook & Dudley Moore) and don’t remember that character.

    The one with Brendan Frasier & Liz Hurley


  51. RIX
    51 | January 1, 2013 3:51 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Kathy Griffin is a nasty piece of work & worse she isn’t funny.


  52. buzzsawmonkey
    52 | January 1, 2013 3:52 pm

    Just saw the Breitbart video. Clearly, Kathy Griffin—unable to be in Maine—wanted to kiss the sardine.


  53. buzzsawmonkey
    53 | January 1, 2013 3:52 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    The one with Brendan Frasier & Liz Hurley

    Never saw it.


  54. heysoos
    54 | January 1, 2013 3:53 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    yowza…that CNN simu-blowjob last night was pretty stunning…wonder what the kids thought about that
    What I miss by not having a TV. Who did what to whom, and why?

    I didn’t see it either but it’s all over the net…
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/01/01/kathy-griffin-kisses-anderson-coopers-crotch-national-television#ixzz2GjV80us0

    just unreal


  55. John Difool
    55 | January 1, 2013 3:55 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Kathy Griffin had to be loaded and high. She kinda sucks the wholesomeness right out of life. Typical obama voter.

    This vexation of talent & succubus threw herself (practically sexually assaulted) a prominent gay man on national t.v. & yet no cries of gay-bashing or homophobia from the left.

    Imagine that.


  56. 56 | January 1, 2013 3:55 pm

    For those out there nursing your New Year’s Day hangovers, try a bit of the hair of the dog that bit you.


  57. buzzsawmonkey
    57 | January 1, 2013 3:57 pm

    @ heysoos:

    See my #52


  58. buzzsawmonkey
    58 | January 1, 2013 3:59 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    For those out there nursing your New Year’s Day hangovers, try a bit of the hair of the dog that bit you.

    I see it’s a blended whiskey, which is appropriate since Obama is a mix of black and white, communist and Muslim, craven and bully….


  59. brookly red
    59 | January 1, 2013 4:00 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    For those out there nursing your New Year’s Day hangovers, try a bit of the hair of the dog that bit you.

    mixes well with kool-aid


  60. John Difool
    60 | January 1, 2013 4:00 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    For those out there nursing your New Year’s Day hangovers, try a bit of the hair of the dog that bit you.

    You drink that & tomorrow you’ll wake up & start blaming everyone named Bush for your problems.


  61. brookly red
    61 | January 1, 2013 4:03 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    You drink that & tomorrow you’ll wake up & start blaming everyone named Bush for your problems.

    had half a bottle… Moochelle still don’t look good.


  62. buzzsawmonkey
    62 | January 1, 2013 4:03 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    You drink that & tomorrow you’ll wake up & start blaming everyone named Bush for your problems.

    Well, Bushmills was responsible for the first hangover…


  63. 63 | January 1, 2013 4:03 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Try the Brown Acid… 8O


  64. 64 | January 1, 2013 4:05 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    i saw the link you left to this on the previous thread. thanks for sharing that. i just finished reading it. people think i’m flippant and joking when i say, “we’re doomed”. they should read that and reconsider their opinion of my constant admonitions of doomage. unless we stop it, this is our future. i fear europe is already too far gone to save. perhaps a group of indigenous people there can lay claim to some limited amount of former territory, but i think that is all they can hope for. we here in the usa, are following in their footsteps.


  65. 65 | January 1, 2013 4:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Now come on – how old were you when that originated?


  66. heysoos
    66 | January 1, 2013 4:06 pm

    does the US still nave neutron bombs…just wondering, I don’t know why I thought of that


  67. 67 | January 1, 2013 4:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    mixes well with kool-aid

    That’s called a Benghazi-tini.


  68. brookly red
    68 | January 1, 2013 4:07 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Kathy Griffin had to be loaded and high. She kinda sucks the wholesomeness right out of life. Typical obama voter.

    Living in NYC I have found an appreciation for lib chicks… juss sayin


  69. heysoos
    69 | January 1, 2013 4:07 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Now come on — how old were you when that originated?

    Woodstock 1969


  70. 70 | January 1, 2013 4:08 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Well, Bushmills was responsible for the first hangover…

    And every hangover since.


  71. 71 | January 1, 2013 4:08 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    I hadn’t been born yet! BUt I’ve heard about it. It is rather famous. I couldn’t tell you the name of a single band that played at Woodstock, but I know about the Brown Acid…


  72. buzzsawmonkey
    72 | January 1, 2013 4:09 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Woodstock

    Somebody ought to do a gun show called Woodstock—for weapons with wooden stocks and pistols with wooden grips.

    It’d probably be a great event—and the Left would go nuts.


  73. John Difool
    73 | January 1, 2013 4:10 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Followed by Glockapalooza


  74. lobo91
    74 | January 1, 2013 4:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    does the US still nave neutron bombs…just wondering, I don’t know why I thought of that

    No, we don’t currently maintain any in the inventory.


  75. buzzsawmonkey
    75 | January 1, 2013 4:11 pm

    Instead of a guitar neck with a bird on it, the gun show “Woodstock” would have a rifle barrel with the wooden forward stock.

    It would be immense.


  76. brookly red
    76 | January 1, 2013 4:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    does the US still nave neutron bombs…just wondering, I don’t know why I thought of that

    officially none were ever built…


  77. 77 | January 1, 2013 4:11 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Followed by Glockapalooza

    LOL! :)


  78. 78 | January 1, 2013 4:11 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Kids…


  79. heysoos
    79 | January 1, 2013 4:13 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Followed by Glockapalooza

    the Newport Pistol Fest


  80. heysoos
    80 | January 1, 2013 4:13 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    does the US still nave neutron bombs…just wondering, I don’t know why I thought of that
    officially none were ever built…

    I have a feeling they will come in handy someday


  81. buzzsawmonkey
    81 | January 1, 2013 4:14 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the Newport Pistol Fest

    Monterey Popgun…


  82. heysoos
    82 | January 1, 2013 4:14 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the Newport Pistol Fest
    Monterey Popgun…

    winner


  83. buzzsawmonkey
    83 | January 1, 2013 4:15 pm

    Obama wants us to have neutered-on bombs…


  84. John Difool
    84 | January 1, 2013 4:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Followed by Glockapalooza

    the Newport Pistol Fest

    Lilith FN FAL


  85. John Difool
    85 | January 1, 2013 4:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    does the US still nave neutron bombs…just wondering, I don’t know why I thought of that
    officially none were ever built…

    I have a feeling they will come in handy someday

    Unless it’s Detroit, it already looks like it’s been through WWIII, IV & V.


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | January 1, 2013 4:17 pm

    Instead of “three days of love and music” there could be “three days of weapons and patriotism.”


  87. lobo91
    87 | January 1, 2013 4:19 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    does the US still nave neutron bombs…just wondering, I don’t know why I thought of that
    officially none were ever built…
    I have a feeling they will come in handy someday

    Not really. The reason we don’t have any in stock today (and yes, they were built) is that they aren’t all the useful against any current threats.

    There’s a lot of misconception about them. They were designed for use against large tank formations (think Soviet invasion of western Europe), not cities.


  88. heysoos
    88 | January 1, 2013 4:19 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I hadn’t been born yet! BUt I’ve heard about it. It is rather famous. I couldn’t tell you the name of a single band that played at Woodstock, but I know about the Brown Acid…

    ironically, the invited bands that didn’t play are more famous than the bands that did…
    Beatles
    Stones
    Led Zep
    the Doors
    Dylan
    Jeff Beck
    Chicago
    the Byrds
    Zappa
    Moody Blues
    and a bunch of others all declined to play


  89. heysoos
    89 | January 1, 2013 4:22 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I was facetious…I understand Tehran is sort of pretty, such a waste


  90. Aussie Infidel
    90 | January 1, 2013 4:23 pm

    @ Kirly:
    Don’t forget to cut and paste this to your ‘doubting Thomas’ friends. Only by hammering away every chance we get will it eventually sink into their skulls.

    Right now I am having a back and forth debate with George Cardinal Pell of Sydney. He seemed to have his head in a good place regarding Islam. Then he spent 6 months in the Vatican and arrived back in Australia all full of inter-faith outreach to Islamists. Something happened obviously. I fear that the ‘Vatican apparatchniks’ got to him.

    Keep getting out the word Kirly :)


  91. lobo91
    91 | January 1, 2013 4:26 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I was facetious…I understand Tehran is sort of pretty, such a waste

    The idea that such a bomb would kill people and “leave buildings standing” was nonsense put out by the anti-war/nuclear freeze idiots.

    They’re still nuclear weapons. They just release more radiation than a standard warhead of the same yield. You might have a 10kt warhead that released the same amount of radiation as a normal 50kt one.

    But it’s still a 10kt detonation, and is going to mess up a lot of real estate.


  92. coldwarrior
    92 | January 1, 2013 4:26 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    I fear that the ‘Vatican apparatchniks’ got to him.

    at this point, islam as the enemy of wetern tradition is pretty clear. this should be especially clear to those in the vatican.


  93. lobo91
    93 | January 1, 2013 4:27 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Aussie Infidel wrote:
    I fear that the ‘Vatican apparatchniks’ got to him.
    at this point, islam as the enemy of wetern tradition is pretty clear. this should be especially clear to those in the vatican.

    You would think so.


  94. brookly red
    94 | January 1, 2013 4:28 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    I fear that the ‘Vatican apparatchniks’ got to him.

    at this point, islam as the enemy of wetern tradition is pretty clear. this should be especially clear to those in the vatican.

    /the Pope of Rome, how many divisions does he have?


  95. 95 | January 1, 2013 4:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I would like to see Boehner grow a vestigial set of balls and shut the whole damned government down, passing a continuing resolution to fund nothing other than the armed forces, the courts, and the federal police services. Anything else gets passed only upon a budget agreement which reins in entitlements—and the EPA, Department of Education, and several other agencies go on the block. No money for “czars” again, ever.
    Boehner should be running the country at this point, given that he’s Speaker and the House controls the money. John McCormick, and Sam Rayburn before him, all but ran the country; the Speakership is one of the essential positions in the government. He should have Reid and Obama crawling naked over broken glass for every dime.

    That is too easy. Let the armed services, courts and police take an unpaid vacation. Heck, furlough the non-violent federal prisoners while you are at it. Also put the Secret Service on a long unpaid vacation. If any president or former president needs security, let him pay for it himself. Make the entire Obama family crawl naked over the broken glass. All department heads, all Congressmen and Senators, the President and VP all are taxed at 100% of their income until the national debt is paid off. Enough is enough. No more money!


  96. 96 | January 1, 2013 4:29 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    yowza…that CNN simu-blowjob last night was pretty stunning…wonder what the kids thought about that

    What else would you expect from the Cocksuckers’ News Network?


  97. 97 | January 1, 2013 4:30 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    does the US still nave neutron bombs…just wondering, I don’t know why I thought of that

    probably because you watched that hideous kathi griffin thing aggressively fighting anderson cooper so she could pretend to kiss his dick on CNN. what a freak! why doesn’t she kiss our ass and just go the hell away. why does anyone pay her to do anything??


  98. Aussie Infidel
    98 | January 1, 2013 4:31 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    I fear that the ‘Vatican apparatchniks’ got to him.

    at this point, islam as the enemy of wetern tradition is pretty clear. this should be especially clear to those in the vatican.

    Quite true Coldwarrior. Alas there is a ‘corruptocracy’ within the Vatican that is right into the whole ‘One World Government’ let’s all hold hands and sing Kumbyyah together. Behind that is a nasty nest of political vipers keen to grasp as much power as possible whilst enjoying the company of the self styled Euro-elites.

    How does one spell …SELL OUTS ?


  99. John Difool
    99 | January 1, 2013 4:32 pm

    Macker wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    yowza…that CNN simu-blowjob last night was pretty stunning…wonder what the kids thought about that

    What else would you expect from the Cocksuckers’ News Network?

    +10


  100. eaglesoars
    100 | January 1, 2013 4:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    You would think so.

    I think Pope Ben is less naive than he was at the beginning of his papacy.


  101. lobo91
    101 | January 1, 2013 4:32 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    All department heads, all Congressmen and Senators, the President and VP all are taxed at 100% of their income until the national debt is paid off.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, they all got pay raises as of today.

    Members of Congress got a $5,000 raise.


  102. John Difool
    102 | January 1, 2013 4:34 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    does the US still nave neutron bombs…just wondering, I don’t know why I thought of that

    probably because you watched that hideous kathi griffin thing aggressively fighting anderson cooper so she could pretend to kiss his dick on CNN. what a freak! why doesn’t she kiss our ass and just go the hell away. why does anyone pay her to do anything??

    Because CNN knows train-wreck t.v. gets a lot of viewers which is the only thing it cares about, that’s what our culture has devolved into now.

    She’ll be back next year & the year after & the year after…..until she actually does whip out someones dick & sucks it live !


  103. Aussie Infidel
    103 | January 1, 2013 4:34 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Did you read the URL site Review mate?

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/130221/sec id/130221


  104. buzzsawmonkey
    104 | January 1, 2013 4:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Members of Congress got a $5,000 raise.

    I question whether this pay raise was even legal. Obama doing this by executive order smacks more of a power-grab towards dictatorship, taking the power of the purse from Congress and confirming to the millions of low-info voters that the US Treasury is indeed his “stash.” It makes it look as though the Congress is working for him.

    The Congress should refuse the pay raise on Constitutional grounds.


  105. heysoos
    105 | January 1, 2013 4:37 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    does the US still nave neutron bombs…just wondering, I don’t know why I thought of that
    probably because you watched that hideous kathi griffin thing aggressively fighting anderson cooper so she could pretend to kiss his dick on CNN. what a freak! why doesn’t she kiss our ass and just go the hell away. why does anyone pay her to do anything??

    Because CNN knows train-wreck t.v. gets a lot of viewers which is the only thing it cares about, that’s what our culture has devolved into now.
    She’ll be back next year & the year after & the year after…..until she actually does whip out someones dick & sucks it live !

    all part of the AmIdol political circus


  106. John Difool
    106 | January 1, 2013 4:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    All department heads, all Congressmen and Senators, the President and VP all are taxed at 100% of their income until the national debt is paid off.
    Meanwhile, in the real world, they all got pay raises as of today.
    Members of Congress got a $5,000 raise.

    I thought Bachmann was bringing forth legislation to halt that, because Barry can’t do budgetary/spending stuff from the WH by EO because it’s un-Constitutional ?

    Yea, I know, not like it stopped him before.


  107. heysoos
    107 | January 1, 2013 4:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Members of Congress got a $5,000 raise.
    I question whether this pay raise was even legal. Obama doing this by executive order smacks more of a power-grab towards dictatorship, taking the power of the purse from Congress and confirming to the millions of low-info voters that the US Treasury is indeed his “stash.” It makes it look as though the Congress is working for him.
    The Congress should refuse the pay raise on Constitutional grounds.

    I read where it was voted down separately


  108. 108 | January 1, 2013 4:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    All department heads, all Congressmen and Senators, the President and VP all are taxed at 100% of their income until the national debt is paid off.
    Meanwhile, in the real world, they all got pay raises as of today.
    Members of Congress got a $5,000 raise.

    Unfortunately, that is the real world. Hard to believe the US started with a revolution over penny-ante taxes. And when we resisted, London gave in everything and repealed the taxes.


  109. lobo91
    109 | January 1, 2013 4:37 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The Congress should refuse the pay raise on Constitutional grounds.

    “Seriously? You’re serious?”
    –Nancy Pelosi


  110. coldwarrior
    110 | January 1, 2013 4:38 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    got it.


  111. brookly red
    111 | January 1, 2013 4:38 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I question whether this pay raise was even legal. Obama doing this by executive order smacks more of a power-grab towards dictatorship, taking the power of the purse from Congress and confirming to the millions of low-info voters that the US Treasury is indeed his “stash.” It makes it look as though the Congress is working for him.

    hahahahahah oh Gawd thats funny!


  112. lobo91
    113 | January 1, 2013 4:40 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I read where it was voted down separately

    The Senate voted to cancel it. The House hasn’t done anything with it.


  113. John Difool
    114 | January 1, 2013 4:41 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    no raise
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/senate_votes_to_kill_its_own_pay_raise-220443-1.html?pos=hln

    It was only about a $900 raise for backbenchers without committee assignments but I’ll bet Biden is livid over not getting his $9000 raise.


  114. heysoos
    115 | January 1, 2013 4:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I read where it was voted down separately
    The Senate voted to cancel it. The House hasn’t done anything with it.

    they don’t need to…it’s illegal, just more smoke


  115. heysoos
    116 | January 1, 2013 4:42 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    no raise
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/senate_votes_to_kill_its_own_pay_raise-220443-1.html?pos=hln

    It was only about a $900 raise for backbenchers without committee assignments but I’ll bet Biden is livid over not getting his $9000 raise.

    he should be, that’s alot of six packs


  116. John Difool
    117 | January 1, 2013 4:42 pm

    I’m surprised Oba’Mao didn’t sneak a hearty raise in there for himself although he’s probably stealing enough under the table as it is.


  117. buzzsawmonkey
    118 | January 1, 2013 4:42 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    no raise
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/senate_votes_to_kill_its_own_pay_raise-220443-1.html?pos=hln

    That’s only a Senate vote. Nothing is passed into law unless both houses pass it and Obama signs it.

    Of course, Obama disregards the law with impunity; but the question is by what authority he can claim to “decree” a pay raise for Congress. If it had any brains, Congress would contest this as a power overreach by the President.


  118. lobo91
    119 | January 1, 2013 4:43 pm

    @ heysoos:

    they don’t need to…it’s illegal, just more smoke

    You’re getting funnier by the minute.

    It may have escaped your notice, but at least half of what Obama’s done since he took office has been illegal.

    When has that stopped him?


  119. John Difool
    120 | January 1, 2013 4:43 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    no raise
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/senate_votes_to_kill_its_own_pay_raise-220443-1.html?pos=hln
    It was only about a $900 raise for backbenchers without committee assignments but I’ll bet Biden is livid over not getting his $9000 raise.

    he should be, that’s alot of six packs

    “Most Audacious Pay-Raise In 500 Years !”


  120. lobo91
    121 | January 1, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    If it had any brains, Congress would contest this as a power overreach by the President.

    I think you just found the problem…


  121. buzzsawmonkey
    122 | January 1, 2013 4:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It may have escaped your notice, but at least half of what Obama’s done since he took office has been illegal.

    When has that stopped him?

    Like all bullies, he is a coward. If Congress formed up and called him down for his illegal activity, loudly enough, he would back down. He’d try again, of course—but he’d back down.


  122. lobo91
    123 | January 1, 2013 4:45 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That’s only a Senate vote. Nothing is passed into law unless both houses pass it and Obama signs it.

    It was stuck into the “fiscal cliff” bill the Senate passed last night.

    It doesn’t look like the House is going to even vote on it, so it’s irrelevant.


  123. heysoos
    124 | January 1, 2013 4:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    they don’t need to…it’s illegal, just more smoke
    You’re getting funnier by the minute.
    It may have escaped your notice, but at least half of what Obama’s done since he took office has been illegal.
    When has that stopped him?

    the Senate stopped him, that’s what counts


  124. coldwarrior
    125 | January 1, 2013 4:46 pm

    @ lobo91:
    i never thought i would see one branch of government just roll over and give up power so easily. this is incredible to watch.


  125. buzzsawmonkey
    126 | January 1, 2013 4:47 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the Senate stopped him, that’s what counts

    No, it didn’t. If the House votes down, or doesn’t vote on, the Senate bill, whatever the Senate passed is irrelevant. And if both Houses pass it, and Obama doesn’t sign it, it’s irrelevant.

    Nothing has “stopped” him.


  126. lobo91
    127 | January 1, 2013 4:47 pm

    @ heysoos:

    the Senate stopped him, that’s what counts

    The Senate hasn’t stopped a damn thing. You’re fantasizing.


  127. 128 | January 1, 2013 4:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It may have escaped your notice, but at least half of what Obama’s done since he took office has been illegal.

    When has that stopped him?

    He has been made into a god by the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex.


  128. buzzsawmonkey
    129 | January 1, 2013 4:47 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i never thought i would see one branch of government just roll over and give up power so easily. this is incredible to watch.

    This is what capitulation to dictatorship looks like…


  129. heysoos
    130 | January 1, 2013 4:48 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the Senate stopped him, that’s what counts
    No, it didn’t. If the House votes down, or doesn’t vote on, the Senate bill, whatever the Senate passed is irrelevant. And if both Houses pass it, and Obama doesn’t sign it, it’s irrelevant.
    Nothing has “stopped” him.

    okay, whatever…I thought that was my point


  130. John Difool
    131 | January 1, 2013 4:48 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    i never thought i would see one branch of government just roll over and give up power so easily. this is incredible to watch.

    Which is why both Boehner & Cantor need to go ASAP come this Thursday when the GOP votes for leadership positions. I am convinced not only were they very happy, they want to be back in the minority again.

    Give me Ryan & bachmann.


  131. lobo91
    132 | January 1, 2013 4:48 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Exactly. The Senate gets credit for “trying” to stop it, and still gets the money.

    Win-win for them.


  132. brookly red
    133 | January 1, 2013 4:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    they don’t need to…it’s illegal, just more smoke
    You’re getting funnier by the minute.
    It may have escaped your notice, but at least half of what Obama’s done since he took office has been illegal.
    When has that stopped him?

    the Senate stopped him, that’s what counts

    they didn’t stop him they rejected the offer as too small…


  133. heysoos
    134 | January 1, 2013 4:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    the Senate stopped him, that’s what counts
    The Senate hasn’t stopped a damn thing. You’re fantasizing.

    the Senate took it out of the bill…I understand what you’re saying, but it was a load of shit that didn’t stick


  134. 135 | January 1, 2013 4:49 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    i never thought i would see one branch of government just roll over and give up power so easily. this is incredible to watch.

    This will come back to bite the Left in the ass. eventually there will be a Rightwing Government that will use the same methods.


  135. lobo91
    136 | January 1, 2013 4:50 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    i never thought i would see one branch of government just roll over and give up power so easily. this is incredible to watch.

    It really is. If Boehner had a brain in his damn head, he’d realize that he’s the single most powerful person in the US government today.

    Instead, he’s groveling and whining.


  136. buzzsawmonkey
    137 | January 1, 2013 4:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex.

    It would be nice to get Sheldon Adelson, the Koch brothers, and a few of their like-minded well-heeled friends, and convince them to bribe a nice, sizable cabal of media figures to change their coverage of Obama. Two or three hundred million dollars, in the right places, would totally change the tone of the coverage.


  137. John Difool
    138 | January 1, 2013 4:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    It may have escaped your notice, but at least half of what Obama’s done since he took office has been illegal.
    When has that stopped him?
    He has been made into a god by the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex.

    The gatekeepers of freedom & democracy, the 4th Estate is now the Treasonous 5th Column…but then again, I repeat myself.


  138. brookly red
    139 | January 1, 2013 4:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    This will come back to bite the Left in the ass. eventually there will be a Rightwing Government that will use the same methods.

    yes but at this rate they will all be Mullahs


  139. lobo91
    140 | January 1, 2013 4:52 pm

    @ heysoos:

    the Senate took it out of the bill…I understand what you’re saying, but it was a load of shit that didn’t stick

    There was no “bill” in the first place. Obama decreed a pay raise by Executive Order.

    The “fiscal cliff” bill that the Senate passed last night (which appears to be DOA in the House) includes one sentence that says Congress doesn’t want the raise.

    It’s entirely symbolic.


  140. brookly red
    141 | January 1, 2013 4:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It really is. If Boehner had a brain in his damn head, he’d realize that he’s the single most powerful person in the US government today.

    Instead, he’s groveling and whining.

    /well maybe he will lock himself in the bathroom and withhold sex… now that is power!


  141. 142 | January 1, 2013 4:54 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Did you read the URL site Review mate?
    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/130221/sec id/130221

    Thanks for that link. I’m going to definitely read that. The Global Caliphate and the UN are imminent threats to the United States and the worthless communist has done severe damage in the first four years.


  142. 143 | January 1, 2013 4:54 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    This is what capitulation to dictatorship looks like…

    Funny how few people who actually live in dictatorships realize it . . . at least until it is too late.


  143. coldwarrior
    144 | January 1, 2013 4:54 pm

    organizations like the congress do not willingly give up power as a natural act, they seek to gain power.

    something very bizarre is going on here.


  144. 145 | January 1, 2013 4:55 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The current incarnation of the Right has no imagination. The Rich funders of the Right do not know how to use their money effectively. I foresee Democrat dominance for the next 10-12 years until a reformed Republican Party or a New Rightwing Party merges.


  145. buzzsawmonkey
    146 | January 1, 2013 4:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    If Boehner had a brain in his damn head, he’d realize that he’s the single most powerful person in the US government today.

    Yes, as I said upthread.

    The Speaker is actually supposed to be the most powerful person in the government; the President is Congress’ errand boy. But Boehner lumbers over to the White House, hat in hand, begging for fish scraps.


  146. 147 | January 1, 2013 4:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    eventually there will be a Rightwing Government that will use the same methods.

    I wish that I believed you were correct, but I don’t. Number one, we have to actually elect a real right-wing government. We’ve not really had that in 100 years, maybe longer than that. Number two, they’d have to have to political will to actually rule by decree the way Obama is, and haveto have the support of the MFM to do so. I don’t seeeither of those happening. So Obama does this with the consent of the Democrats precisely because they know that no right-wing government will ever act similarly.


  147. 148 | January 1, 2013 4:55 pm

    @ John Difool:

    The Democrats are an arm of the media.


  148. 149 | January 1, 2013 4:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    You maybe Right for the forseeable future. But I’m referring in the future sometimes 20 years out.

    Happy New Year yo and Velvet Glove!


  149. buzzsawmonkey
    150 | January 1, 2013 4:56 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The current incarnation of the Right has no imagination. The Rich funders of the Right do not know how to use their money effectively. I foresee Democrat dominance for the next 10-12 years until a reformed Republican Party or a New Rightwing Party merges.

    While there is a better chance of my being struck by a comet than this happening, if I were running the Republican Party things would be a lot different—and it would be fun.


  150. John Difool
    151 | January 1, 2013 4:56 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    It really is. If Boehner had a brain in his damn head, he’d realize that he’s the single most powerful person in the US government today.
    Instead, he’s groveling and whining.
    /well maybe he will lock himself in the bathroom and withhold sex… now that is power!

    He realizes it just fine, he just doesn’t want to be. He can’t take the heat.

    Say what you want about Pelosi but she did a fine damn job for her side with that gavel in her meat-hooks & had bigger cajones than both Boehner & Cantor put together to boot.


  151. 152 | January 1, 2013 4:57 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Happy New Year to you! I hope it is a good one :)


  152. brookly red
    153 | January 1, 2013 4:57 pm

    CzechRebel wrote:

    Funny how few people who actually live in dictatorships realize it . . . at least until it is too late.

    My father left Germany in 36… I am seriously looking at Costa Rica.

    not joking


  153. 154 | January 1, 2013 4:58 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    organizations like the congress do not willingly give up power as a natural act, they seek to gain power.
    something very bizarre is going on here.

    The Republican Party is under Leftist control. I am convinced the national GOP is a false flag operation for the Left.


  154. 155 | January 1, 2013 4:58 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The Speaker is actually supposed to be the most powerful person in the government; the President is Congress’ errand boy. But Boehner lumbers over to the White House, hat in hand, begging for fish scraps.

    Wow! Someone here who actually understands those parts of the Constitution.


  155. 156 | January 1, 2013 4:58 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    CzechRebel wrote:
    Funny how few people who actually live in dictatorships realize it . . . at least until it is too late.
    My father left Germany in 36… I am seriously looking at Costa Rica.
    not joking

    Panama is cheaper, look into that.


  156. heysoos
    157 | January 1, 2013 4:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    CzechRebel wrote:
    Funny how few people who actually live in dictatorships realize it . . . at least until it is too late.
    My father left Germany in 36… I am seriously looking at Costa Rica.
    not joking

    my ex is moving there probably this year…nurse practioner


  157. brookly red
    158 | January 1, 2013 5:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    CzechRebel wrote:
    Funny how few people who actually live in dictatorships realize it . . . at least until it is too late.
    My father left Germany in 36… I am seriously looking at Costa Rica.
    not joking

    Panama is cheaper, look into that.

    too humid and the Chinese are there.


  158. 159 | January 1, 2013 5:00 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    In 20 years a New GOP or new Rightwing party will emerge. People do not like losing forever.


  159. lobo91
    160 | January 1, 2013 5:00 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The Speaker is actually supposed to be the most powerful person in the government; the President is Congress’ errand boy. But Boehner lumbers over to the White House, hat in hand, begging for fish scraps.

    I guess that’s what happens when you replace civics and history classes with multi-culturalism and grievance theater.

    I’m really getting sick of hearing about all these “negotiations” between Obama and Boehner. The “negotiation” is supposed to be between the House and Senate, not between the executive and legislative branches.

    The president’s job is to sign or veto what they pass, and to carry it out. Period.


  160. 161 | January 1, 2013 5:00 pm

    @ brookly red:

    The Chinese are everywhere.


  161. brookly red
    162 | January 1, 2013 5:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    The Chinese are everywhere.

    they like the canal, they could care less about the DR


  162. 163 | January 1, 2013 5:02 pm

    @ brookly red:

    yes but at this rate they will all be Mullahs

    I think Muslims will be deported or slaughtered eventually in America.


  163. 164 | January 1, 2013 5:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    My father left Germany in 36… I am seriously looking at Costa Rica.
    not joking

    Be careful! There is a woman who post things like that here and the guys give her a really hard time over it.


  164. 165 | January 1, 2013 5:03 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I know all about that.


  165. lobo91
    166 | January 1, 2013 5:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    In 20 years a New GOP or new Rightwing party will emerge. People do not like losing forever.

    If we continue on our current trajectory, what sort of government we have in 20 years will be irrelevant, because it’ll be governing whatever wasteland remains.


  166. 167 | January 1, 2013 5:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Happy New Year to you! I hope it is a good one

    Anything can be better than 2012.


  167. brookly red
    168 | January 1, 2013 5:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    yes but at this rate they will all be Mullahs

    I think Muslims will be deported or slaughtered eventually in America.

    yes but that is 50 yrs out… I want to retire in 20


  168. buzzsawmonkey
    169 | January 1, 2013 5:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    In 20 years a New GOP or new Rightwing party will emerge. People do not like losing forever.

    Emerge from what? Like Athena from the head of Zeus? Like Aphrodite arising from the sea?

    In twenty years the people who remember some elements of what the government and what conservative thought were supposed to be will be dead or retired. The books will be gone; between the government war against pre-1985 children’s books on “health” grounds, the libraries’ pulping of older texts, and the ability of stuff on Kindles and similar electronic platforms to be remotely revised (if they are even available), and the ongoing level of indoctrination in the schools, who the hell will there be to figure out what is wrong and how they are being screwed. “He who controls the past controls the present; he who controls the present controls the future,” as O’Brien says to Winston Smith in 1984.


  169. lobo91
    170 | January 1, 2013 5:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Happy New Year to you! I hope it is a good one
    Anything can be better than 2012.

    Unfortunately, I think you’re wrong there.

    I fully expect 2013 to be worse.


  170. buzzsawmonkey
    171 | January 1, 2013 5:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The president’s job is to sign or veto what they pass, and to carry it out. Period.

    It’s permissible for the President to send over a bill proposal to be introduced by one of his party, but Obama has, of course, written as many bills as he wrote law review articles—i.e., none. He’s too busy smackin’ white balls around (symbolically on the golf course, of course).


  171. 172 | January 1, 2013 5:06 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Looks like I may have to pass on any more Tyrconnell if they’re sending bottles to the Dems.


  172. 173 | January 1, 2013 5:06 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Then you rebuild from the rubble. I am not painting a rosy scenario, but just giving an observation. I could be wrong, but hey it’s just specualtion.

    Here’s a new series I am reading.


  173. brookly red
    174 | January 1, 2013 5:07 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Emerge from what? Like Athena from the head of Zeus? Like Aphrodite arising from the sea?

    In twenty years the people who remember some elements of what the government and what conservative thought were supposed to be will be dead or retired. The books will be gone; between the government war against pre-1985 children’s books on “health” grounds, the libraries’ pulping of older texts, and the ability of stuff on Kindles and similar electronic platforms to be remotely revised (if they are even available), and the ongoing level of indoctrination in the schools, who the hell will there be to figure out what is wrong and how they are being screwed. “He who controls the past controls the present; he who controls the present controls the future,” as O’Brien says to Winston Smith in 1984

    here, let me simplify that down to one sentence.

    Satan rules on earth.


  174. 175 | January 1, 2013 5:07 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I fully expect 2013 to be worse.

    You’re right. I was trying to be optimistic, but 2013 will be worse!


  175. buzzsawmonkey
    176 | January 1, 2013 5:07 pm

    I again urge people to read Rudyard Kipling’s story The Mother Hive.


  176. brookly red
    177 | January 1, 2013 5:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Unfortunately, I think you’re wrong there.

    I fully expect 2013 to be worse.

    oh yes


  177. lobo91
    178 | January 1, 2013 5:08 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It’s permissible for the President to send over a bill proposal to be introduced by one of his party

    Sure, he can propose anything he wants. Happens all the time.

    I’m talking about this crap of dragging the House and Senate leadership to the White House and basically demanding things be done the way he wants.


  178. buzzsawmonkey
    179 | January 1, 2013 5:09 pm

    I also urge them to read this Kipling story: One View of the Question.

    You will be glad you did.


  179. John Difool
    180 | January 1, 2013 5:09 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    eventually there will be a Rightwing Government that will use the same methods.
    I wish that I believed you were correct, but I don’t. Number one, we have to actually elect a real right-wing government. We’ve not really had that in 100 years, maybe longer than that. Number two, they’d have to have to political will to actually rule by decree the way Obama is, and haveto have the support of the MFM to do so. I don’t seeeither of those happening. So Obama does this with the consent of the Democrats precisely because they know that no right-wing government will ever act similarly.

    Anyone who thinks we’ll get the Whitehouse back in the foreseeable future or the Senate I want some of what you’re smoking.

    Bottom line is, the demographics are not in our favor & they will continue to slide even further to not being in our favor. We may be lucky to hold The House for another decade maybe 15 yrs. tops. The reason why is the districting is in our favor right now, not the Dems. The winner takes all of the Senate & EC is still very much in their favor because of the square yardage of the urban areas with all of the warm bodies of the Free-Shit Army the Dems can crank out to the polls. That is superior to the conservative votership in the suburbs & rural areas which favor the red districts & House seats.

    Our district superiority ain’t gonna last forever.

    The only way for this to change is for teet to get cut off to the Free Shit Army which is now a permanent voter bloc for the Dems & then an economic followed by the inevitable societal collapse.


  180. buzzsawmonkey
    181 | January 1, 2013 5:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m talking about this crap of dragging the House and Senate leadership to the White House and basically demanding things be done the way he wants.

    Yes. The House and Senate leaders should basically be saying to Obama, “You want something? You come here and ask us.”


  181. lobo91
    182 | January 1, 2013 5:10 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Then you rebuild from the rubble. I am not painting a rosy scenario, but just giving an observation. I could be wrong, but hey it’s just specualtion.

    I’m talking about literal rubble, though. As in, the remnants left after another civil war, that will make the previous one look like a dispute over your neighbor’s loud music.


  182. RIX
    183 | January 1, 2013 5:11 pm

    @ lobo91:
    The White House (Obama) is gloating “We made them break their
    no tax pledge.”
    Obama is like a twelve year old brat.


  183. 184 | January 1, 2013 5:11 pm

    CzechRebel wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    My father left Germany in 36… I am seriously looking at Costa Rica.
    not joking

    Be careful! There is a woman who post things like that here and the guys give her a really hard time over it.

    no, it isn’t “the guys”, it’s me. and i don’t give her, or you, a “hard time over it”. I give her a hard time for saying, repeatedly and for years, that she is leaving the country because it’s so messed up. so i say, go already and quit whining about it. of course she never leaves. the last straw was when she said she’s ready to go in the next year or too, by gosh, right after her husband (which i believe is you) gets the medical care he needs. yeah, this country is completely messed up and worthy of abandonment right up until the moment she decides she needs something more from it. and, i’ll bet you’re getting that medical care essentially for free too via medicare or some such. THAT, for the record, is the crap i object to.

    carry on.


  184. buzzsawmonkey
    185 | January 1, 2013 5:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m talking about literal rubble, though. As in, the remnants left after another civil war, that will make the previous one look like a dispute over your neighbor’s loud music.

    In honor of the retiring Massachusetts House member who has been so responsible for starting this mess with the subprime mortgages, I propose that it be called “Barney rubble”—particularly since so many will be reduced to living in caves.


  185. lobo91
    186 | January 1, 2013 5:12 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yes. The House and Senate leaders should basically be saying to Obama, “You want something? You come here and ask us.”

    I wanted to throw something at my TV yesterday. There was a Dem consultant on, who basically said “Who cares what the House republicans ran on? Obama won.”


  186. 187 | January 1, 2013 5:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I think Muslims will be deported or slaughtered eventually in America.

    right, because that’s what Americans do, they slaughter people.

    what the hell is in your head, posting that crap?


  187. lobo91
    188 | January 1, 2013 5:14 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Most people who complain about things here have never spent any significant amount of time in another country.

    Going to Epcot doesn’t count.


  188. brookly red
    189 | January 1, 2013 5:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m talking about literal rubble, though. As in, the remnants left after another civil war, that will make the previous one look like a dispute over your neighbor’s loud music.

    you are right I don’t dispute, my point (to Rodan) is eventually our “American way” is in line with God’s will and will persevere… I am 54, I don’t have time for 40 years in the wilderness.


  189. John Difool
    190 | January 1, 2013 5:15 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    The White House (Obama) is gloating “We made them break their
    no tax pledge.”
    Obama is like a twelve year old brat.

    We expect this of him. What gets my dander up is like yesterday when the GOP was almost in tears over it like a 3 yr. old who just had their blocks taken away. Man the hell up!.

    They were successfully trolled by a master troll.


  190. brookly red
    191 | January 1, 2013 5:18 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    right, because that’s what Americans do, they slaughter people.

    what the hell is in your head, posting that crap?

    hey we are talking 50 yrs down the road. If you don’t think we are capable of of that ask any Native American… they might have a less self righteous view.


  191. Calo
    192 | January 1, 2013 5:18 pm

    @ Kirly:

    @ Kirly:

    Please pass what you are smoking my way next.

    I couldn’t agree with you more.


  192. 193 | January 1, 2013 5:19 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Eventually Americans will tired of them having influence on our Government. They will tire of sending our armed forces to fight for their interests.

    Americans maybe a tolerant people, but we are humans. When pushed to the edge, people’s survival instincts will kick in.

    That is the patten of history.


  193. RIX
    194 | January 1, 2013 5:20 pm

    @ John Difool:
    The GOP should stop treating Obama with such respect.
    Bush was treated with maximum disrespect.
    They should nod to the office , but the man has earned none.


  194. 195 | January 1, 2013 5:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    Most people who complain about things here have never spent any significant amount of time in another country.

    Going to Epcot doesn’t count.

    yes, i believe you’re correct. i’ve spent a bit of time in other countries but not thirdworld shit holes. although i have spent enough time in france to see what appear to be otherwise civilized men just whip it out and take a whiz on a tree like a dog.


  195. John Difool
    196 | January 1, 2013 5:22 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    @ Kirly:
    Please pass what you are smoking my way next.
    I couldn’t agree with you more.

    When running there comes a point & time when there’s nowhere left to run. You’re money down in Costa Rica ain’t gonna be worth the paper it’s printed on when the American, European & Asian markets collapse & the U.S. government stops mailing your SS checks to you & decides to keep it for themselves.


  196. buzzsawmonkey
    197 | January 1, 2013 5:22 pm

    Frankly, the entire situation would be improved if someone like Scott Brown went up and pimp-slapped Harry Reid to his knees on the Senate floor. Brown would be a good choice, since he is an out-going Senator.

    Under Article I, Section 6, “[Members of Congress] shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.”

    Pimp-slapping Reid is, arguably, a “breach of the peace,” but I’d bet a good lawyer could get a jury nullification if it even came to a charge—and the shock to Reid (and his ideological allies) might actually jar him into a more conciliatory stance. Even if it didn’t, it would be a joy to watch on video.


  197. 198 | January 1, 2013 5:23 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    If you don’t think we are capable of of that ask any Native American… they might have a less self righteous view.

    you mean like my Cherokee ancestors?
    you don’t know enough about me to insultingly call me righteous.


  198. brookly red
    199 | January 1, 2013 5:25 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    except Treason,

    I say lock them all up.


  199. 200 | January 1, 2013 5:25 pm

    @ lobo91:

    here’s another book series that might interest you.


  200. John Difool
    201 | January 1, 2013 5:27 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    No, I want to see Reid horse-whipped . Refresh my memory, didn’t that actually happen in The Senate or House at one time back in the 1800′s?


  201. brookly red
    202 | January 1, 2013 5:28 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    If you don’t think we are capable of of that ask any Native American… they might have a less self righteous view.

    you mean like my Cherokee ancestors?
    you don’t know enough about me to insultingly call me righteous.

    all the more I call you naive if you think Americans will not act in their (our) best interests, for better or worse is debatable, but yes we as a people can get nasty like that


  202. buzzsawmonkey
    203 | January 1, 2013 5:30 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    No, I want to see Reid horse-whipped . Refresh my memory, didn’t that actually happen in The Senate or House at one time back in the 1800′s?

    Who’s got a horse-whip any more—or knows how to handle it? A pimp-slapping would suffice.

    I believe you are correct that some 19th-century Senator horsewhipped another, but I don’t recall the details.


  203. John Difool
    204 | January 1, 2013 5:30 pm

    Kabuki-Theater, Dog & Pony Show, Bread & Circuses update:

    Reid is punting it back to the House saying the vote last night was the last & final offer. No revisions will be made. Boehner now says he only has 40, maybe 50 votes. he needs 120.

    Popcorn time.


  204. John Difool
    205 | January 1, 2013 5:32 pm

    Statement from Boehner on latest developments:

    http://www.gothamresistance.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/john-boehner-crying.jpg


  205. brookly red
    206 | January 1, 2013 5:32 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Kabuki-Theater, Dog & Pony Show, Bread & Circuses update:

    Reid is punting it back to the House saying the vote last night was the last & final offer. No revisions will be made. Boehner now says he only has 40, maybe 50 votes. he needs 120.

    Popcorn time.

    burn baby burn, let the automatic cuts begin


  206. heysoos
    207 | January 1, 2013 5:32 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    No, I want to see Reid horse-whipped . Refresh my memory, didn’t that actually happen in The Senate or House at one time back in the 1800′s?
    Who’s got a horse-whip any more—or knows how to handle it? A pimp-slapping would suffice.
    I believe you are correct that some 19th-century Senator horsewhipped another, but I don’t recall the details.

    they used to horse whip you in the senate if you voted neigh


  207. buzzsawmonkey
    208 | January 1, 2013 5:32 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Reid is punting it back to the House saying the vote last night was the last & final offer. No revisions will be made.

    Reid has been acting the way Boehner should be.

    Boehner is not the Speaker of the House; he is the Squeaker of the House. He has shown where he stands on the “man or mouse” question.


  208. John Difool
    209 | January 1, 2013 5:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Reid is punting it back to the House saying the vote last night was the last & final offer. No revisions will be made.
    Reid has been acting the way Boehner should be.
    Boehner is not the Speaker of the House; he is the Squeaker of the House. He has shown where he stands on the “man or mouse” question.

    I pray to all that is holy they vote out Shakes the Clown as SotH Thursday & send Cantor to the back of the bench as well.


  209. 210 | January 1, 2013 5:36 pm

    @ brookly red:
    nice of you to put words in my mouth. i never said anything that you and rodan are saying i said. in fact, i never even implied any of the bullshit the two of you have attributed to me. it would be wise to at least have an understanding of what the individual said before you attack them for something you say they said. gosh, it’s almost like being alinsky’d.

    for the record, and for the last damn time, i implied it was nuts for rodan to state that he thought moslems would be slaughtered in the USA. and i made a sarcastic remark about how Americans are so well known for slaughtering.


  210. The Osprey
    211 | January 1, 2013 5:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    The Chinese are everywhere.

    Hunan Fried Rice!


  211. brookly red
    212 | January 1, 2013 5:42 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    The Chinese are everywhere.

    Hunan Fried Rice!

    I am going lo-mein tonight… I am in a noodle state of mind.


  212. buzzsawmonkey
    213 | January 1, 2013 5:43 pm

    Cry, Boehner, cry
    Give up with no try
    Constitution is a dead letter
    So cry, Boehner, cry

    —the We’re-Always-Beat-les


  213. lobo91
    214 | January 1, 2013 5:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I believe you are correct that some 19th-century Senator horsewhipped another, but I don’t recall the details.

    You’re thinking of Preston Brooks:

    Preston Smith Brooks (August 5, 1819 – January 27, 1857) was a Democratic Representative from South Carolina, serving from 1853 until his death in 1857.

    Brooks was a fervent advocate of slavery. He is primarily remembered for severely beating Senator Charles Sumner (Free Soil-Massachusetts), an abolitionist, with a cane on the floor of the United States Senate, on May 22, 1856. This was in retaliation for an anti-slavery speech by Sumner in which Sumner attacked Brooks’ uncle, Senator Andrew Butler (Democrat-South Carolina). Brooks’ action was applauded by many Southerners, and he received only a token punishment. He was re-elected as Representative, but died before the next term began.

    Sumner was seriously injured, and unable to serve in the Senate for three years, though eventually he largely recovered.[1]

    Brooks’ act and the polarizing national reaction to it to are frequently cited as a major factor in the rising tensions leading up to the American Civil War.[2]


  214. brookly red
    215 | January 1, 2013 5:43 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    nice of you to put words in my mouth. i never said anything that you and rodan are saying i said. in fact, i never even implied any of the bullshit the two of you have attributed to me. it would be wise to at least have an understanding of what the individual said before you attack them for something you say they said. gosh, it’s almost like being alinsky’d.

    for the record, and for the last damn time, i implied it was nuts for rodan to state that he thought moslems would be slaughtered in the USA. and i made a sarcastic remark about how Americans are so well known for slaughtering.

    chill dude


  215. 216 | January 1, 2013 5:44 pm

    A@ The Osprey:

    :lol:

    Don’t get Brookly started!

    Happy New year by the way!


  216. 217 | January 1, 2013 5:46 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    chill dude

    since i wasn’t the one that went on the attack, i suggest you chill.
    and it’s dudette, not dude.


  217. 218 | January 1, 2013 5:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Don’t get Brookly started!

    too late. it seems the honor for that goes to me this New Years Day.

    damn but it’s freezing here in AZ.


  218. Calo
    219 | January 1, 2013 5:48 pm

    @ brookly red:

    chill dude

    Uh oh. :shock:


  219. Bumr50
    220 | January 1, 2013 5:48 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Who’s got a horse-whip any more—or knows how to handle it? A pimp-slapping would suffice.

    Knowing a little something about whips, I vote he be bull whipped rather than horse whipped.

    We all know what a bull whip looks like, courtesy of Indiana Jones, but a horse whip is far too kind for Boehner.

    It would be more appropriate if he needed persuaded.

    I’d like to see him punished.

    It’s more of a flexible rod with only a small tassle that hangs at the end.


  220. John Difool
    221 | January 1, 2013 5:48 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Don’t get Brookly started!
    too late. it seems the honor for that goes to me this New Years Day.
    damn but it’s freezing here in AZ.

    Time to ban weather & ban states !


  221. 222 | January 1, 2013 5:51 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Is that normal for this time of year in Arizona? It’s 75 right now here in Florida.


  222. lobo91
    223 | January 1, 2013 5:51 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Freezing would be an improvement here. It’s 27.


  223. brookly red
    224 | January 1, 2013 5:53 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    chill dude

    since i wasn’t the one that went on the attack, i suggest you chill.
    and it’s dudette, not dude.

    attack? I stated my opinion and that is an attack? OK, whatever I am sorry if my views upset you, all my fault I should have known better.


  224. 225 | January 1, 2013 5:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    Freezing would be an improvement here. It’s 27.

    You think the Dems are really going to push for some Gun Control or is it just talk?


  225. lobo91
    226 | January 1, 2013 5:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Kirly:
    Freezing would be an improvement here. It’s 27.
    You think the Dems are really going to push for some Gun Control or is it just talk?

    They’re going to try. I doubt that it will go anywhere at the national level. All bets are off for individual states, though.

    The real question is, what will Obama try to do by Executive Order?


  226. The Osprey
    227 | January 1, 2013 5:56 pm

    CzechRebel wrote:

    Funny how few people who actually live in dictatorships realize it . . . at least until it is too late.

    I was pondering that last night while watching the trailer for “Katyn”. Made for a gloomy New Years Eve.


  227. 228 | January 1, 2013 5:58 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The real question is, what will Obama try to do by Executive Order?

    That’s what I am worried about. If he can’t get legislation, he will try an end run. He will use the guise of “safety” to do it.


  228. 229 | January 1, 2013 5:58 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Hey check out this series I am reading.


  229. The Osprey
    230 | January 1, 2013 6:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    Is that normal for this time of year in Arizona? It’s 75 right now here in Florida.

    It’s a bit on the cold side for PHX here today. 56. Tonights low will be around 35…in the city, which means that out in the desert it will be colder.

    Go up to Flagstaff and the temps are Colorado like. 27 right now, forecast for 5 tonight. Brrrrrrrr!


  230. Guggi
    231 | January 1, 2013 6:00 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    No, I want to see Reid horse-whipped . Refresh my memory, didn’t that actually happen in The Senate or House at one time back in the 1800′s?

    Here you go but it wasn’t a horse whip


  231. lobo91
    232 | January 1, 2013 6:01 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Flagstaff is pretty high up, of course.

    Even higher than Colorado Springs.


  232. The Osprey
    233 | January 1, 2013 6:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Hey check out this series I am reading.

    The scenario reminds me of that video game…I think it’s called “Battlefield 2142″ or something like that.
    New Ice Age precipitates global war for remaining arable land.


  233. 234 | January 1, 2013 6:03 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    So much for global warming?

    :lol:


  234. 235 | January 1, 2013 6:03 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    CzechRebel wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    My father left Germany in 36… I am seriously looking at Costa Rica.
    not joking
    Be careful! There is a woman who post things like that here and the guys give her a really hard time over it.

    no, it isn’t “the guys”, it’s me. and i don’t give her, or you, a “hard time over it”. I give her a hard time for saying, repeatedly and for years, that she is leaving the country because it’s so messed up. so i say, go already and quit whining about it. of course she never leaves. the last straw was when she said she’s ready to go in the next year or too, by gosh, right after her husband (which i believe is you) gets the medical care he needs. yeah, this country is completely messed up and worthy of abandonment right up until the moment she decides she needs something more from it. and, i’ll bet you’re getting that medical care essentially for free too via medicare or some such. THAT, for the record, is the crap i object to.
    carry on.

    Seem to have really rattled your cage. You are one paranoid dude. My solution is secession. I have a hard time understanding how anyone can claim to “love” his “country” and not realize that peaceful secession is the only way to save it. You do know the difference between expatriation and secession, don’t you? 1389blog.com/2012/12/31/how-patriotism-becomes-idolatry-and-why-secession-is-the-only-answer See my latest blog post Patriotism Idolatry and Secession


  235. The Osprey
    236 | January 1, 2013 6:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Flagstaff is pretty high up, of course.

    Yeah, I think the town is like 7000-7500 feet up and the mountain peak where the ski slope is something like 9000 feet.


  236. John Difool
    237 | January 1, 2013 6:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    The real question is, what will Obama try to do by Executive Order?
    That’s what I am worried about. If he can’t get legislation, he will try an end run. He will use the guise of “safety” to do it.

    They’ll push for it alright, I’m sure of it because nothing is an accident 7 we all know the msm get their talking points straight from Barry’s desk now which is why we’re seeing the demogoguing of it in the msm right now.

    The guy bashing the Constitution in the NYT-Jazeera yesterday was no accident either. Trying to soften up the populace before a full assault on their 2nd amendment rights.

    Problem is, there are millions of law abiding Dem gun owners too who would no sooner part with theirs, than you or I would part with ours. this would be a single issue that would galvanize people of both sides together.

    This issue….it’s dead, Jim.


  237. The Osprey
    238 | January 1, 2013 6:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    So much for global warming?

    Gore Effect. :lol:


  238. 239 | January 1, 2013 6:04 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    It’s a very realistic scenario. An Ice Age is more likely than Global Warming. Just look at history, there is always Cold age. Warm ages don’t last long actually.


  239. brookly red
    240 | January 1, 2013 6:06 pm

    LOL 1,100 cars burnt in Paris last night… maybe they should try fire works.


  240. buzzsawmonkey
    241 | January 1, 2013 6:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    An Ice Age is more likely than Global Warming.

    An ice age? Everybody stock up on gin!


  241. lobo91
    242 | January 1, 2013 6:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:
    It’s a very realistic scenario. An Ice Age is more likely than Global Warming. Just look at history, there is always Cold age. Warm ages don’t last long actually.

    And look at that stupid movie The Day After Tomorrow.

    An ice age caused by global warming.


  242. John Difool
    243 | January 1, 2013 6:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    LOL 1,100 cars burnt in Paris last night… maybe they should try fire works.

    That’s what the French get for turning off the lights to conserve power. The yoots of undetermined religious origin must not be big fans of it.


  243. lobo91
    244 | January 1, 2013 6:08 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Problem is, there are millions of law abiding Dem gun owners too who would no sooner part with theirs, than you or I would part with ours. this would be a single issue that would galvanize people of both sides together.

    It is one of the few truly bipartisan issues left.


  244. The Osprey
    245 | January 1, 2013 6:08 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    An Ice Age is more likely than Global Warming.

    An ice age? Everybody stock up on gin!

    Or vodka.


  245. 246 | January 1, 2013 6:09 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And look at that stupid movie The Day After Tomorrow.

    An ice age caused by global warming.

    Global Warming causes everything in the Left’s mind. I guess the Sun has no effect. These people are such fraudsters.


  246. John Difool
    247 | January 1, 2013 6:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Problem is, there are millions of law abiding Dem gun owners too who would no sooner part with theirs, than you or I would part with ours. this would be a single issue that would galvanize people of both sides together.
    It is one of the few truly bipartisan issues left.

    Ironic isn’t? The very thing the elite extremist left hates the most (other than free-speech) is the very thing that could be their final undoing if they attempted it.


  247. 248 | January 1, 2013 6:12 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    Advocating for seccession while planning to watch what happens from another country is pretty much a bunch of bullshit.

    That’s the kindest thing I could think to say about it.


  248. lobo91
    249 | January 1, 2013 6:12 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Global Warming causes everything in the Left’s mind. I guess the Sun has no effect. These people are such fraudsters.

    My favorite part of that movie is when the big expert scientist played by Dennis Quaid testifies before Congress about how this big catastrophe is going to happen sometime in the next 20 years or something in that range.

    And then it happens like 3 weeks later.

    You would think that would make people question the validity of their predictions…


  249. buzzsawmonkey
    250 | January 1, 2013 6:12 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    1,100 cars burnt in Paris last night…

    Tradition!


  250. brookly red
    251 | January 1, 2013 6:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    It’s a very realistic scenario. An Ice Age is more likely than Global Warming. Just look at history, there is always Cold age. Warm ages don’t last long actually.

    when I was in high school in 76 they were hysterical that the new ice age was on the way… the whole thing was to move the population from the north to the south cause air conditioning was more efficient then heating… I would love to ask some of my high school teachers how they felt today but they all died of AIDS in the 90′s … reality is a bitch.


  251. 252 | January 1, 2013 6:14 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You would think that would make people question the validity of their predictions…

    The Left never questions anything. They believe any lie and then propagate it.


  252. 253 | January 1, 2013 6:14 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Global Cooling will be back. Gore will claim the data was wrong and he will be an Ice Age alarmist.


  253. lobo91
    254 | January 1, 2013 6:15 pm

    @ brookly red:

    when I was in high school in 76 they were hysterical that the new ice age was on the way

    And the same people who were pushing that fraud are largely the ones behind the global warming scam.

    You would think that that would set off a few alarm bells…


  254. John Difool
    255 | January 1, 2013 6:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Global Warming causes everything in the Left’s mind. I guess the Sun has no effect. These people are such fraudsters.
    My favorite part of that movie is when the big expert scientist played by Dennis Quaid testifies before Congress about how this big catastrophe is going to happen sometime in the next 20 years or something in that range.
    And then it happens like 3 weeks later.
    You would think that would make people question the validity of their predictions…

    Not to mention, it’s the scientists & urban dwellers who are the only ones who know how to survive in the aftermath & not actual folks who you know…know how to survive.


  255. buzzsawmonkey
    256 | January 1, 2013 6:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    when I was in high school in 76 they were hysterical that the new ice age was on the way… the whole thing was to move the population from the north to the south cause air conditioning was more efficient then heating…

    A while back, Zombie did a great article over at PJM, quoting all the booga-booga ice age stuff and then comparing it to the “global warming” stuff.

    Exactly the same predictions.
    Exactly the same causes.
    Exactly the same prescriptions.
    Exactly the same people.

    Crock of shit then, crock of shit now.


  256. lobo91
    257 | January 1, 2013 6:17 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Not to mention, it’s the scientists & urban dwellers who are the only ones who know how to survive in the aftermath & not actual folks who you know…know how to survive.

    Wishful thinking on their part.


  257. buzzsawmonkey
    258 | January 1, 2013 6:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Global Cooling will be back. Gore will claim the data was wrong and he will be an Ice Age alarmist.

    That’s appropriate. His science is wooly, and he’s getting mammoth.


  258. brookly red
    259 | January 1, 2013 6:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Global Cooling will be back. Gore will claim the data was wrong and he will be an Ice Age alarmist.

    every one here was alive for the ice age scam, then the global warming scam, now the climate change scam…how many times do we need to here this bullshit before we just kick their teeth in?


  259. John Difool
    260 | January 1, 2013 6:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Not to mention, it’s the scientists & urban dwellers who are the only ones who know how to survive in the aftermath & not actual folks who you know…know how to survive.
    Wishful thinking on their part.

    I always lol in movies when they do that. However, The Walking Dead does get it right. You don’t see any lib professors , politicians or smarmy liberal yuppies in that lot.


  260. lobo91
    261 | January 1, 2013 6:21 pm

    Hmm…the House is apparently going into session in a few minutes.


  261. 262 | January 1, 2013 6:21 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Gore Effect.

    ♫Gore-y Gore-y Hallelujah!
    Monsters of the World Unite!♫


  262. heysoos
    263 | January 1, 2013 6:21 pm

    I remember some guy from LGF, lived near San Francisco….he posted this very old picture of some boulders near the shore in the harbor…like 100yrs old or more….so ge paddles his kayak out there and takes the exact same picture and presto!…water levels were the same


  263. lobo91
    264 | January 1, 2013 6:22 pm

    @ John Difool:

    The Walking Dead does get it right. You don’t see any lib professors , politicians or smarmy liberal yuppies in that lot

    Well, except for that one guy in the town who was convinced that he could prevent dead people from turning.

    That didn’t go so well.


  264. brookly red
    265 | January 1, 2013 6:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:

    The Walking Dead does get it right. You don’t see any lib professors , politicians or smarmy liberal yuppies in that lot

    Well, except for that one guy in the town who was convinced that he could prevent dead people from turning.

    That didn’t go so well.

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:

    The Walking Dead does get it right. You don’t see any lib professors , politicians or smarmy liberal yuppies in that lot

    Well, except for that one guy in the town who was convinced that he could prevent dead people from turning.

    That didn’t go so well.

    voter ID is all I have to say


  265. lobo91
    266 | January 1, 2013 6:25 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Most of those idiots actually believe that melting arctic ice will cause the oceans to rise.

    They apparently aren’t aware of the fact that the arctic ice is floating in the ocean now. If every speck of it melted (not that it’s going to), it would make no difference in sea levels.


  266. 267 | January 1, 2013 6:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    Is that normal for this time of year in Arizona? It’s 75 right now here in Florida.

    it’s a bit below average at the moment. just feels bloody freezing to us desert rats.


  267. lobo91
    268 | January 1, 2013 6:26 pm

    @ brookly red:

    voter ID is all I have to say

    Zombies don’t vote


  268. heysoos
    269 | January 1, 2013 6:27 pm

    he liberals in DC muscle their way into Hollywood….got to pay the piper
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/01/01/hollywood-loophole-fiscal-cliff


  269. John Difool
    270 | January 1, 2013 6:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Hmm…the House is apparently going into session in a few minutes.

    Just heard Boehner is going for an up or down vote on the original Senate bill from last night after kicking it back to the Senate, then having Reid give him the middle-finger before the Senate blew town.

    So in essence, there was no need to kick it back to the Senate to begin with because he already knew what would happen. He won’t get the votes & Oba’Mao the msm & the Dems will be wailing & pointing fingers at the GOP for the next 24-72 hrs.

    Yes, Boehner is one useless milquetoast spineless, sob.He played right into Reid/Pelosi & the msm’s hands just like we knew he would.

    He makes a very nice pet for his Demonrat overlords.


  270. 271 | January 1, 2013 6:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    You think the Dems are really going to push for some Gun Control or is it just talk?

    of course they will. when do they NOT push for gun control. they might actually get some too. after all, they did in the 90s. and they banned things based on stupid criteria like they’re scary-looking.


  271. 272 | January 1, 2013 6:30 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    It’s a bit on the cold side for PHX here today. 56. Tonights low will be around 35…in the city, which means that out in the desert it will be colder.

    it was 34 at my house just before 8am this morning. i live out on the edge of the city so it’s a little colder. my pool pump anti-freeze mechanism kicked in and kept it running an extra hour.


  272. lobo91
    273 | January 1, 2013 6:30 pm

    @ Kirly:

    If that insane Feinstein bill were to pass, I think it would go a long way toward pushing us into civil war.


  273. John Difool
    274 | January 1, 2013 6:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Most of those idiots actually believe that melting arctic ice will cause the oceans to rise.
    They apparently aren’t aware of the fact that the arctic ice is floating in the ocean now. If every speck of it melted (not that it’s going to), it would make no difference in sea levels.

    The problem with that scenario is, it may not cause the oceans to rise but frozen ice is freshwater & that much getting dumped back into the oceans could (theoretically) shut down the saline warm water conveyer belts like the Gulfstream that transport warm air to the higher latitudes causing….you guessed it, another ice-age.


  274. Bumr50
    275 | January 1, 2013 6:32 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Not to mention, it’s the scientists & urban dwellers who are the only ones who know how to survive in the aftermath & not actual folks who you know…know how to survive.

    They can eat each others smugly superior intellects!


  275. 276 | January 1, 2013 6:33 pm

    @ CzechRebel:
    for crying out loud with the blog pimping! sheesh! and, in case you haven’t noticed, as many here have explained to you, the issue of secession was resolved with hundreds of thousands dead and maimed in the 19th century. if you think for one second that the USG is going to stand by while Texas or any other state peacefully secedes, you’re deluded AND ignoring history. Panama, Costa Rica, or whatever the hell country awaits you. i’ll take you seriously when you guys actually do what you’ve been saying for years now.


  276. buzzsawmonkey
    277 | January 1, 2013 6:34 pm

    “Global Warming” may more properly be described as “the Jerkwad Effect.”

    Some wealthy, entitled jerkwad builds a beach house too close to the water; the waves and maybe a storm or two do what they do naturally and the house collapses or is washed away.

    The jerkwad is outraged—that’s the sort of thing that’s supposed to happen to poor people in bungalow beach colonies, and people who live in trailer parks, not to him. So, clearly, the world must be coming to an end! The climate must be changing! Rich, entitled idiots are not supposed to be subject to the laws of nature! If they are, it must be due to a global catastrophe!


  277. John Difool
    278 | January 1, 2013 6:34 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    You think the Dems are really going to push for some Gun Control or is it just talk?
    of course they will. when do they NOT push for gun control. they might actually get some too. after all, they did in the 90s. and they banned things based on stupid criteria like they’re scary-looking.

    Difference is, Americans are even more pro-gun now than any point in several decades even if we have slid a lot farther left. Gun violence is at a 40 or 50 year low.

    They’ll wail & gnash their teeth about it, but nothing will be done about it. All the talk right now about it is just opiate for the far-left masses.


  278. darkwords
    279 | January 1, 2013 6:34 pm

    @ 68 brookly red: There is that Curb your Enthusiasm episode where Larry gets caught up in street protests about the Middle East and ends up in an affair with a Hamas supporter.


  279. darkwords
    280 | January 1, 2013 6:36 pm

    @ 278 John Difool: I just came from lunch at McD’s where the guy next to me was enjoying his McRib (available for a limited time only) and a handgun fell out of his sweat suit onto the floor. He just picked it up and acted like it was nothing.


  280. 281 | January 1, 2013 6:36 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    Advocating for seccession while planning to watch what happens from another country is pretty much a bunch of bullshit.
    That’s the kindest thing I could think to say about it.

    No, you don’t understand the difference between the two words. “Expatriation” means moving to another country and starting a new life there.

    “Secession” means sovereign states PEACEFULLY leaving the tyranny of the Washington, D.C. government. The ones that love tyranny may remain in the so-called “union.”

    When secession occurs, you simple stay put. If you look at what happened in the former Czechoslovakia, you can see a good example of peaceful secession.


  281. Bumr50
    282 | January 1, 2013 6:37 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The one that bans “high-capacity ammunition feeding devises?”

    Didn’t she almost blow BOTH the Zodiac and Night Stalker cases?

    Failing upward must be an amazing thing to experience.


  282. darkwords
    283 | January 1, 2013 6:37 pm

    If people was gun control they can set up metal detectors and then check in any weapons at the door.


  283. buzzsawmonkey
    284 | January 1, 2013 6:38 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    I just came from lunch at McD’s where the guy next to me was enjoying his McRib (available for a limited time only) and a handgun fell out of his sweat suit onto the floor. He just picked it up and acted like it was nothing.

    That was the McRubOut, also available for a limited time only…


  284. 285 | January 1, 2013 6:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Global Cooling will be back. Gore will claim the data was wrong and he will be an Ice Age alarmist.

    unfortunately, global cooling will be back. and no one will believe the idiots who cried wolf the last two times. with any luck, the next ice age will be “little”.


  285. heysoos
    286 | January 1, 2013 6:39 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    You think the Dems are really going to push for some Gun Control or is it just talk?
    of course they will. when do they NOT push for gun control. they might actually get some too. after all, they did in the 90s. and they banned things based on stupid criteria like they’re scary-looking.

    Difference is, Americans are even more pro-gun now than any point in several decades even if we have slid a lot farther left. Gun violence is at a 40 or 50 year low.
    They’ll wail & gnash their teeth about it, but nothing will be done about it. All the talk right now about it is just opiate for the far-left masses.

    keep pounding away with the fact, all the while dialing up the mockery of their stupidity….bomb them on even the smallest, least important issues


  286. 287 | January 1, 2013 6:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    If that insane Feinstein bill were to pass, I think it would go a long way toward pushing us into civil war.

    We are already experiencing a kind of ‘soft’ civil war. Though it probably won’t happen, there is a lot of talk of secession. The country is more divided now than I’ve ever seen it.


  287. heysoos
    288 | January 1, 2013 6:40 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 278 John Difool: I just came from lunch at McD’s where the guy next to me was enjoying his McRib (available for a limited time only) and a handgun fell out of his sweat suit onto the floor. He just picked it up and acted like it was nothing.

    an unsecured weapon is a huge something….he’s an idiot


  288. darkwords
    289 | January 1, 2013 6:41 pm

    @ 276 Kirly: Putin might be standing on the Russian shore thinking he can see a vacation house in Alaska. If they would just dump the US.

    Civil strife would have to happen before enough people would leave the US. I would think it would be armed and bloody. It’s a history that could repeat itself. When Obama approaches the US constitution like Al Quaida approaches Islam. My way or the highway. Force enough people to be rats and rats is what you will get. A lot of them.


  289. 290 | January 1, 2013 6:42 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 68 brookly red: There is that Curb your Enthusiasm episode where Larry gets caught up in street protests about the Middle East and ends up in an affair with a Hamas supporter.

    That actually sounds really funny.


  290. 291 | January 1, 2013 6:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Most of those idiots actually believe that melting arctic ice will cause the oceans to rise.

    They apparently aren’t aware of the fact that the arctic ice is floating in the ocean now. If every speck of it melted (not that it’s going to), it would make no difference in sea levels.

    they can’t comprehend that the ice in their glass of water actually melts without causing the glass of water to overflow. they really are that stupid!


  291. John Difool
    292 | January 1, 2013 6:42 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 278 John Difool: I just came from lunch at McD’s where the guy next to me was enjoying his McRib (available for a limited time only) and a handgun fell out of his sweat suit onto the floor. He just picked it up and acted like it was nothing.

    Clearly the only solution is to ban McRibs.


  292. Bumr50
    293 | January 1, 2013 6:43 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    McRubOut

    Ew.


  293. John Difool
    294 | January 1, 2013 6:43 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 278 John Difool: I just came from lunch at McD’s where the guy next to me was enjoying his McRib (available for a limited time only) and a handgun fell out of his sweat suit onto the floor. He just picked it up and acted like it was nothing.

    Clearly the only solution is to ban McRibs…..and sweatsuits.


  294. 295 | January 1, 2013 6:44 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    for crying out loud with the blog pimping! sheesh! and, in case you haven’t noticed, as many here have explained to you, the issue of secession was resolved with hundreds of thousands dead and maimed in the 19th century. if you think for one second that the USG is going to stand by while Texas or any other state peacefully secedes, you’re deluded AND ignoring history. Panama, Costa Rica, or whatever the hell country awaits you. i’ll take you seriously when you guys actually do what you’ve been saying for years now.

    No, you got the wrong century. Most of the successful secession has happened in the late 20th century, not the 19th. (You do know that the 19th century was the 1800s and the 20th the 1900s, don’t you?)

    Look, I am not the one to whom an explanation needs to be given. You are the one who is still having difficulty understanding the difference between the words “expatriation” and “secession.”

    Let me try again. “Expatriation” means voting with your feet, that is leaving for a new land. “Secession” means to dissolve a political alliance while staying home.

    It is so hard for me to see why you are so incapable of seeing the difference.


  295. darkwords
    296 | January 1, 2013 6:44 pm

    The way to succeed today to to make a Facebook page about it. And tweet and pinterest it out. Get about 55 million likes and it might work. Instant communication. No BS.


  296. 297 | January 1, 2013 6:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    If that insane Feinstein bill were to pass, I think it would go a long way toward pushing us into civil war.

    i don’t know. there are so many unregistered guns in this country that the resources to hunt them all down and confiscate them would bankrupt even sooner than wer’re already going to be backrupt.


  297. lobo91
    298 | January 1, 2013 6:46 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    If all her bill was about was “banning” large magazines, she might be able to get it passed, but it’s not.

    She wants to redefine most semi-automatic rifles as “machine guns,” and make them subject to regulation by the ATF. You’d have to get permission from your local jurisdiction to own one, be fingerprinted, pay a $200 fee, and get permission to take it across state lines.

    And you wouldn’t be able to sell it. When you die, it’s forfeited to the government.


  298. heysoos
    299 | January 1, 2013 6:46 pm

    “it’s the oil cans!….
    get away from the oil cans!”


  299. heysoos
    300 | January 1, 2013 6:47 pm

    my browser seems to be running on three legs….
    slow to load


  300. darkwords
    301 | January 1, 2013 6:48 pm

    @ 290 Urban Infidel: She works at a middle eastern rest. that is extremely anti Israel but he loves the food there.


  301. 302 | January 1, 2013 6:49 pm

    @ CzechRebel:

    No, I am not cufusing a damned thing. First of all, I have lived in a foreign country, for 5.5 years, so I damned well know what expatriate means. And secondly, 1389 AD has simultaneously advocated for seccession while announcing her plans to be elsewhere when it happens. If “bullshit” is not the correct word, try “cowardly.” You assume seccession wouldn’t result in violence, but that’s an assumption, And an easy one to make if one isn’t at any risk from being wrong.

    Oh, and leaving one’s country to permanently move to another country is called “emmigration”, not “expatriation.” Most American expats of working age expect to return to America – I’ve worked with hundreds of them, all over the world.


  302. lobo91
    303 | January 1, 2013 6:49 pm

    @ Kirly:

    there are so many unregistered guns in this country that the resources to hunt them all down and confiscate them would bankrupt even sooner than wer’re already going to be backrupt.

    How many people in Congress actually think about things like that?


  303. heysoos
    304 | January 1, 2013 6:50 pm

    looks like the House is gonna head butt BO
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/senate-clears-fiscal-cliff-deal-89-8-85640.html


  304. John Difool
    305 | January 1, 2013 6:50 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    If that insane Feinstein bill were to pass, I think it would go a long way toward pushing us into civil war.

    i don’t know. there are so many unregistered guns in this country that the resources to hunt them all down and confiscate them would bankrupt even sooner than wer’re already going to be backrupt.

    If they manage to ban guns, drugs won’t be the only thing the cartels will be running into this country….with the added benefit that our own federal government already gave them thousands to sell to us.


  305. eaglesoars
    306 | January 1, 2013 6:53 pm

    @ Kirly:

    I didn’t realize you’re in the Sonora Desert! I watched a Nat Geo broadcast about it. That little grasshopper mouse is a feisty little bugger.

    That howl is chilling.


  306. 307 | January 1, 2013 6:53 pm

    @ brookly red:
    See what I mean.


  307. darkwords
    308 | January 1, 2013 6:53 pm

    @ 303 lobo91:
    The OYC will hunt down the guns. Obama Youth Corp. A few of them get shot at the start and give O an excuse to roll in the police and the military. I believe that is how Mao consolidated his power. Get an occupy movement going, get people outraged, get people afraid, denigrate the leaders of the opposition. Let violence occur and look the other way. Then once in power toss the OWS bums to the curb. Similiar to Egypt also.


  308. 309 | January 1, 2013 6:53 pm

    @ CzechRebel:
    i know the words. but i also know my own history. secession in the US was already settled by the Civil War and the USG isn’t going to sit idly by while you debate the finer points of your prized vocabulary.

    what Mike C said. go watch it from south america, after you get your free medical care here of course.


  309. John Difool
    310 | January 1, 2013 6:54 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    If all her bill was about was “banning” large magazines, she might be able to get it passed, but it’s not.
    She wants to redefine most semi-automatic rifles as “machine guns,” and make them subject to regulation by the ATF. You’d have to get permission from your local jurisdiction to own one, be fingerprinted, pay a $200 fee, and get permission to take it across state lines.
    And you wouldn’t be able to sell it. When you die, it’s forfeited to the government.

    No, not just rifles, all semi-autos even hand-guns. If they manage to ban high-capacity mags that renders my Glock 22 .40 practically useless if my current magazine gives out.

    Trust me, I’m working on getting more as we speak but there is a big-time run on everything gun related right now.


  310. darkwords
    311 | January 1, 2013 6:55 pm

    @ 304 heysoos: I’m ok if the O get stomped. Extra $75 a week out of my pay check I think. I can stop going to Starbucks.


  311. 312 | January 1, 2013 6:55 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    my browser seems to be running on three legs….
    slow to load

    i think the thread is heavy.


  312. eaglesoars
    313 | January 1, 2013 6:57 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Didn’t she almost blow BOTH the Zodiac and Night Stalker cases?

    Really? What the hell did she do?


  313. John Difool
    314 | January 1, 2013 6:57 pm

    @ Kirly:

    I seriously doubt our federal government is going to sit peaceably by & do nothing when the majority of the makers secede from the takers. It would be suicide for whatever country was left over for them.


  314. coldwarrior
    315 | January 1, 2013 6:59 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    my browser seems to be running on three legs….
    slow to load

    i think the thread is heavy.

    A New, Lighter Thread..with 1/3 less Heavy.


  315. darkwords
    316 | January 1, 2013 7:00 pm

    I wouldn’t succeed in the traditional way. I’d make the social media stuff first. Then start nickel and diming the feds. Toll booths on all Federal highways. Make them expensive to drive on. Subsidized schools with no fed money. High Property taxes on all Federal buildings. Extra income taxes on all Federal workers in the state. And I would do it in the name of states rights, not succeeding. Until that cliff came.

    Anyone with a local angle to life would be made into a hero.

    Tough to do though when you think about it. A lot of federal law is weeded into the local existence. There would be points in affairs where the two sides would have a power stand off. Like Waco.


  316. lobo91
    317 | January 1, 2013 7:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    Didn’t she almost blow BOTH the Zodiac and Night Stalker cases?
    Really? What the hell did she do?

    leaked information to the press.


  317. 318 | January 1, 2013 7:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    there are so many unregistered guns in this country that the resources to hunt them all down and confiscate them would bankrupt even sooner than wer’re already going to be backrupt.

    How many people in Congress actually think about things like that?

    on the one hand, i think probably far too many.
    on the other hand, i don’t think they think about the implications of their votes.


  318. Calo
    319 | January 1, 2013 7:03 pm

    @ John Difool:
    It always amazes me that everyone from other states always assume that Texas wants to secede from the US.


  319. heysoos
    320 | January 1, 2013 7:04 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    there are so many unregistered guns in this country that the resources to hunt them all down and confiscate them would bankrupt even sooner than wer’re already going to be backrupt.
    How many people in Congress actually think about things like that?

    on the one hand, i think probably far too many.
    on the other hand, i don’t think they think about the implications of their votes.

    the First Rule of elected office is to make sure you get re-elected


  320. lobo91
    321 | January 1, 2013 7:05 pm

    @ John Difool:

    No, not just rifles, all semi-autos even hand-guns. If they manage to ban high-capacity mags that renders my Glock 22 .40 practically useless if my current magazine gives out.

    Yes, she wants to reinstate the ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds for both rifles and pistols.

    But the part about registration under the NFA only applies to rifles.

    There’s a summary on her website.


  321. Bumr50
    322 | January 1, 2013 7:08 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Night Stalker:

    1985

    Aug. 24: Mayor Dianne Feinstein disclosed yesterday that the gun used to kill a San Francisco accountant last Saturday was used by the “Night Stalker” to murder some of his Los Angeles victims. The ballistics tests prove that the serial killer is “somewhere in the Bay Area,” said the mayor. Her disclosure came on the second day of a widespread effort by the San Francisco police to track down the person who is believed to be the killer of Peter Pan as well as several women in Los Angeles County. Pan, 66, was asleep in his bed in his home near Lake Merced when he was shot in the head by an intruder. His wife, Barbara, also shot in the head by the attacker, apparently after she awoke, remains in critical condition at San Francisco General Hospital. Surprised San Francisco police would not confirm the mayor’s statement that ballistic tests linked Pan’s killer with the “Night Stalker’s” seven known victims. Her announcement was “premature” and could compromise the case against the killer, one officer said. “It was a buffoon statement,” snorted a second officer. “There goes the gun into the bay.” All the officers asked to remain anonymous.


  322. 323 | January 1, 2013 7:08 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    I didn’t realize you’re in the Sonora Desert! I watched a Nat Geo broadcast about it. That little grasshopper mouse is a feisty little bugger.

    That howl is chilling.

    yep. even our cute little mice are ferocious! :-)
    yeah, those coyote howls can be creepy if they are too close. where i live, you don’t want to be out walking at night. a single coyote isn’t such a big deal but getting between what you think is one coyote while he howls to his pack is quite another (yes, that happened to me; don’t go out unarmed late in the day anymore!).


  323. 324 | January 1, 2013 7:10 pm

    @ Kirly:

    it’s a bit below average at the moment. just feels bloody freezing to us desert rats.

    That sucks, but in 3 months it will be hot again.


  324. 325 | January 1, 2013 7:11 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    I seriously doubt our federal government is going to sit peaceably by & do nothing when the majority of the makers secede from the takers. It would be suicide for whatever country was left over for them.

    i’m not sure why you were responding to me. i agree with you.


  325. Aussie Infidel
    326 | January 1, 2013 7:17 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Most of those idiots actually believe that melting arctic ice will cause the oceans to rise.

    They apparently aren’t aware of the fact that the arctic ice is floating in the ocean now. If every speck of it melted (not that it’s going to), it would make no difference in sea levels.

    they can’t comprehend that the ice in their glass of water actually melts without causing the glass of water to overflow. they really are that stupid!

    Same same down-under with a twist. The ‘Warmists’ are currently waxing lyrical about a chunk of Antarctic SEA ICE Shelf that is about to break off. They completely ignore the reason. The Antarctic glaciers are growing at such an alarming rate that they are putting pressure on the FLOATING sea ice in front of them. The reason is that the ice is growing at a fast rate due to cooling in the Southern Hemisphere.

    Facts mean nothing to these idiots. They are examples of secular socialists who replace religion with Green Gaia worship.

    What a bunch of ‘maroons!’ :)

    To quote Bugs Bunny


  326. Aussie Infidel
    327 | January 1, 2013 7:19 pm

    @ Rodan:
    It’s lovely and warm here in NZ just now. Light breeze, 76 F fair weather cumulus and loads of sun.


  327. Aussie Infidel
    328 | January 1, 2013 7:20 pm

    You in the SW Kirley?


  328. 329 | January 1, 2013 7:27 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    No, I am not cufusing a damned thing. First of all, I have lived in a foreign country, for 5.5 years, so I damned well know what expatriate means. And secondly, 1389 AD has simultaneously advocated for seccession while announcing her plans to be elsewhere when it happens. If “bullshit” is not the correct word, try “cowardly.” You assume seccession wouldn’t result in violence, but that’s an assumption, And an easy one to make if one isn’t at any risk from being wrong.
    Oh, and leaving one’s country to permanently move to another country is called “emmigration”, not “expatriation.” Most American expats of working age expect to return to America — I’ve worked with hundreds of them, all over the world.

    Gee, a lot of people believe in both the right to political secession and an individual right to leave the country. If you are in favor of people being free, you should believe that both are viable alternatives. I guess that those who love tyranny would therefore hate both alternatives.

    So, I guess you believe that the people who went over the Berlin Wall during the Cold War were “cowardly”, don’t you? Many of the same people who lived behind the Iron Curtain and thought of risking it all to leave were later involved in some of the successful secessions of the late 20th Century.

    I ONLY support peaceful secession. When secession is a win-win proposition, it works out very peacefully. When a bunch of nuts find a foreign power to back them, it is very ugly. Wit what happened in the former Yugoslavia. It is very unlikely that a well-negotiated secession treaty would somehow turn violent.

    I think that the terms “emigration” and “expatriation” are pretty much used interchangeable these days. However, if my memory serves me correctly and what I found on a quick Internet search was correct, the legal term “expatriation” is used when the person wants to renounce his citizenship. (It might be a smart think to actually ask the individual in question what the intention is rather than assuming that the two of you have the same definition.)


  329. John Difool
    330 | January 1, 2013 7:28 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    I seriously doubt our federal government is going to sit peaceably by & do nothing when the majority of the makers secede from the takers. It would be suicide for whatever country was left over for them.

    i’m not sure why you were responding to me. i agree with you.

    I was just agreeing with the points you were making above. If anyone thinks there will be a peaceful transition during a secession they are a bit delusional.

    It will be a bad break-up with plenty of domestic violence involved.


  330. 331 | January 1, 2013 7:31 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    i know the words. but i also know my own history. secession in the US was already settled by the Civil War and the USG isn’t going to sit idly by while you debate the finer points of your prized vocabulary.
    what Mike C said. go watch it from south america, after you get your free medical care here of course.

    What medical treatment?


  331. Calo
    332 | January 1, 2013 7:39 pm

    @ CzechRebel:
    I believe Kirly is referring to this post.

    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2012/11/06/election-2012-post-3/#comment-1109657


  332. 333 | January 1, 2013 7:40 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Hey, I haven’t listen to Coast-to-Coast with George Nouri for years, but he used to have an Ice Age guy come on. The Ice Age guy has been expecting one to come when we least expect it.

    One of the interesting points that this guy makes is that an Ice Age does not require it to get that much colder. He says that once you get a glacier going, it kind of keeps the air around it cold and it keeps growing.

    Maybe someone remembers the Ice Age guys name? I sure cannot.


  333. 334 | January 1, 2013 7:43 pm

    @ Calo:
    It says “500 Server Error” I don’t get it.


  334. Speranza
    335 | January 1, 2013 9:03 pm

    This country is not breaking up and if people are so down on the American Experiment they can vote with their feet.


  335. Speranza
    336 | January 1, 2013 9:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Brooks was a fervent advocate of slavery. He is primarily remembered for severely beating Senator Charles Sumner (Free Soil-Massachusetts), an abolitionist, with a cane on the floor of the United States Senate, on May 22, 1856.

    I thought the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. //


  336. lobo91
    337 | January 1, 2013 9:19 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    This country is not breaking up and if people are so down on the American Experiment they can vote with their feet.

    So you actually believe that the productive half of the country is going to just sit around and be bled dry in order to finance Obama’s Free Shit Army for the rest of their lives?

    I don’t.


  337. Speranza
    338 | January 1, 2013 9:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    This country is not breaking up and if people are so down on the American Experiment they can vote with their feet.

    So you actually believe that the productive half of the country is going to just sit around and be bled dry in order to finance Obama’s Free Shit Army for the rest of their lives?
    I don’t.

    This country is not breaking up.


  338. 339 | January 1, 2013 9:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Members of Congress got a $5,000 raise.
    I question whether this pay raise was even legal. Obama doing this by executive order smacks more of a power-grab towards dictatorship, taking the power of the purse from Congress and confirming to the millions of low-info voters that the US Treasury is indeed his “stash.” It makes it look as though the Congress is working for him.
    The Congress should refuse the pay raise on Constitutional grounds.

    If I recall, there’s a recently ratified Amendment that does not allow Congresscritters to vote themselves largesse during their current terms.


  339. lobo91
    340 | January 1, 2013 9:28 pm

    @ Speranza:

    You’re starting to remind me of someone who’s usually around in the morning.

    Repeating statements over and over doesn’t make them facts.


  340. Speranza
    341 | January 1, 2013 9:38 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    You’re starting to remind me of someone who’s usually around in the morning.
    Repeating statements over and over doesn’t make them facts.

    As opposed to your “facts” that this nation is going to break up? What pray tell is your evidence?

    Also please do not condescend towards me.


  341. Speranza
    342 | January 1, 2013 9:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    So you actually believe that the productive half of the country is going to just sit around and be bled dry in order to finance Obama’s Free Shit Army for the rest of their lives?

    Yes they are. It is called democracy. Vote the motherfucker out, don’t take your toys and go home when it does not go away. Obamaism is not sustainable and breaking up the United States of America (a nation which I believe you served in the military) is treason.


  342. 343 | January 1, 2013 9:45 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    It always amazes me that everyone from other states always assume that Texas wants to secede from the US.

    We have personally heard from a lot of people in TX who DO want to secede. It’s people who want to secede…when the tipping point is reached, it’ll happen.

    CzechRebel wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    @ CzechRebel:
    i know the words. but i also know my own history. secession in the US was already settled by the Civil War and the USG isn’t going to sit idly by while you debate the finer points of your prized vocabulary.
    what Mike C said. go watch it from south america, after you get your free medical care here of course.

    What medical treatment?

    We at 1389 Blog are NOT getting adequate medical care here, free or otherwise. We expect to pay our hard-earned cash for it elsewhere.

    darkwords wrote:

    I wouldn’t succeed in the traditional way. I’d make the social media stuff first. Then start nickel and diming the feds. Toll booths on all Federal highways. Make them expensive to drive on. Subsidized schools with no fed money. High Property taxes on all Federal buildings. Extra income taxes on all Federal workers in the state. And I would do it in the name of states rights, not succeeding. Until that cliff came.
    Anyone with a local angle to life would be made into a hero.
    Tough to do though when you think about it. A lot of federal law is weeded into the local existence. There would be points in affairs where the two sides would have a power stand off. Like Waco.

    That could work.

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 304 heysoos: I’m ok if the O get stomped. Extra $75 a week out of my pay check I think. I can stop going to Starbucks.

    We don’t go to Starbucks. It’s a thrift-shop Mr. Coffee at home, with cans of coffee from our local dollar store.

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    No, I am not cufusing a damned thing. First of all, I have lived in a foreign country, for 5.5 years, so I damned well know what expatriate means. And secondly, 1389 AD has simultaneously advocated for seccession while announcing her plans to be elsewhere when it happens. If “bullshit” is not the correct word, try “cowardly.” You assume seccession wouldn’t result in violence, but that’s an assumption, And an easy one to make if one isn’t at any risk from being wrong.
    Oh, and leaving one’s country to permanently move to another country is called “emmigration”, not “expatriation.” Most American expats of working age expect to return to America — I’ve worked with hundreds of them, all over the world.

    Nothing cowardly about it! I am a hell of a lot more aggressive than Reb. If there were a militant and heavily armed secession movement I WOULD HAVE JOINED IT ALREADY, whether anybody else likes it or not. Yes, I would’ve put my ancient creaky old a$$ on the line, and I would have been delighted and honored to have the opportunity. I still would! Suffice it to say that anybody who is interested knows where to find me in real life. But there is no such thing. There is no such thing as an army of one, and I can’t do it all by myself. So I’m gonna emigrate.

    Kirly wrote:

    @ CzechRebel:
    i know the words. but i also know my own history. secession in the US was already settled by the Civil War and the USG isn’t going to sit idly by while you debate the finer points of your prized vocabulary.
    what Mike C said. go watch it from south america, after you get your free medical care here of course.

    Settled, only if you capitulate to the assertion that might makes right – which IMO is the devil’s logic.

    Kirly wrote:

    i’ll take you seriously when you guys actually do what you’ve been saying for years now.

    Our plans are in the works and are pretty far along.

    Responsible emigration takes planning.


  343. lobo91
    344 | January 1, 2013 9:56 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Obamaism is not sustainable and breaking up the United States of America (a nation which I believe you served in the military) is treason.

    Obamaism is going to cause the nation to break up. You apparently have trouble understanding cause and effect.

    Advocating the violent overthrow of the government would constitute treason. I’ve certainly never done any such thing, here or anywhere else, and I don’t appreciate the implication.


  344. Speranza
    345 | January 1, 2013 10:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’ve certainly never done any such thing, here or anywhere else, and I don’t appreciate the implication.

    Strawman argument. Breaking up the United States is treason while done violently or trying to do it peacefully..


  345. lobo91
    346 | January 1, 2013 10:19 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Strawman argument. Breaking up the United States is treason while done violently or trying to do it peacefully..

    Another swing and miss.

    Try reading the US Code sometime.

    And you can stick the implication that I’m advocating treason up your ass.


  346. 347 | January 1, 2013 10:41 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    You in the SW Kirley?

    yes, i’m in Arizona.


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