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Ray Lewis Of The National Felons League Set To Retire After 17 Seasons, Two Murders, And Umpteen Stupid Statements.

by Flyovercountry ( 86 Comments › )
Filed under NFL, Sports at January 3rd, 2013 - 7:15 pm

The news broke yesterday amid much fan fare and debate about the controversial player. I will admit that as far as his skills on the football field are concerned, he is among the top defensive players to have ever played the game, worthy of being placed in the company of the all time great linebackers etc. There is however something far larger to this discussion than his play on the field, his conduct off of it, (which I’ll get to,) and the name calling done by those fans of his so willing to label any who refuse to dismiss his behavior after what seems to them the ancient date of the previous decade, and to just, “let it go already.” The adoration of Ray Lewis and that previously mentioned dismissal is a symptom of a far larger problem with our society as a whole. I’ll call it the Kennedy syndrome, for our very first unpunished murderer turned liberal lion.

I am angry with Ray, not just for his pious holier than thou attitude with any political issue that crops up in which he has zero expertise and even less intelligent thought. There is no harm there, except for his insistence on projecting his holier than thou attitude. His anti Second Amendment stance is preposterous, especially in light of the fact that he committed his particular double homicide with knives, stabbing his victims multiple times, and then fled the scene in a Lincoln Navigator Limousine. It is not the endless stream of NFL pregame show devoted to the portrait of a man who spends his off field life in some sort of monk’s existence, an ordained minister who preaches the gospel now and counsels the youth of America on the virtues of a life following the teachings of Jesus. (What exactly does he tell kids in the Baltimore area schools anyhow, that hiding your murder weapons in the vehicle your tooling around town in is a dumb idea?) What really sent me over the edge of sanity as far as all things Ray Lewis might be concerned was his idiotic public pronouncement during the last labor dispute involving the NFL that without Football in our lives on Sunday Mornings, the rest of us heathens would spend our time swindling, robbing, and assaulting each other. He believes that the crime rates will skyrocket should we not have Ray Lewis to cheer on every Sunday. (I thought we had God and his proscribed behavior to prevent chaos from overtaking society, but it turns out, according to Ray, that we have him and his ilk for role models now, or we should anyhow.)

For those of you who are interested, you can read the initial report by clicking the link at the beginning of this sentence.

ATLANTA (AP) — Pro Bowl linebacker Ray Lewis was charged with murder late Monday in the slayings of two people outside an Atlanta nightclub hours after the Super Bowl.

Lewis, middle linebacker for the Baltimore Ravens and the NFL’s leading tackler this season, was arrested after a day of investigation into the slaying near the Cobalt Lounge in Atlanta’s Buckhead neighborhood about 4 a.m. Monday. He is the second NFL player charged with murder in less than two months.

Lewis was taken into custody and was expected to appear in court Tuesday morning. Earlier Monday, he told reporters that he had been questioned by police but cleared of any wrongdoing.

“I cooperated fully,” Lewis told The Sun of Baltimore before he was arrested. “As for the situation, I have no comment.”

Two men were stabbed during a fight that broke out after a party at the club. Witnesses said six men had fought and argued with the two victims. The men fled in a black Lincoln Navigator stretch limousine, firing at least five gunshots as they drove away.

Police found the vehicle in a parking lot behind a hotel near the shooting scene, Atlanta police spokesman John Quigley said.

In the comments and with some of yesterday’s debate about the legacy of Ray Lewis, I have made some observations. One, liberals will forgive any sin committed by one of their own. In the case of Ted Kennedy, not an eyebrow was raised during his shameless character assassination of Robert Bork. In fact, when ever the Democrats needed an official character assassination to take place, Ted Kennedy was the go to guy. Felonious activity followed him everywhere, even after his pregnant secretary made the mistake of getting into a car with Teddy driving. Rapes at his compound, binge drinking where assaults occurred, a waitress sandwich with Chris Dodd in a trendy D.C. restaurant, and Kennedy’s name would always seem to be in the background, not as the culprit per say, but as the idiot egging on the culprit. With all of that, any press coverage of Kennedy painted a picture of a Liberal Lion, protector of the little guy, self anointed arbiter of all that was fair, good, and decent in the world. Meanwhile, Mary Jo Kopechne is still the victim of an unsolved murder.

Ray’s crime is in the same vein. Jacinta Baker and Richard Lollar will never find justice for their deaths, as the man responsible for them has found rebirth as a Liberal Lion, role model for America’s youth, inspirational protector of all things related to protecting the little guy, arbitrating fairness, and just helping us all to avoid the pitfalls of not watching him play a children’s game on Sunday afternoons. The arguments defending Ray ran the gamut of he was acquitted, which is not true, to it was a really long time ago, as if Baker and Lollar might come back to life after another year paying for Ray’s sin, to anyone who mentions this is some kind of hater.

My favorite defense of Ray by far has to be the last argument, the weak ad hominem attack. Yes Ray killed two guys who he disagreed with, but you’re a hater for noticing. It isn’t the truth of the message that’s the problem here, but the messengers themselves deserve to be shunned from society. That in a nut shell represents the political left and the entirety of their philosophy. Don’t bother us with truth or objective fact, and in order to dissuade any from contemplating those things, we’ll just label you as a racist hater. Lewis was always out there in the forefront advocating against our Second Amendment Rights, when we should have taken knives and Limousines away from people, as that’s what he used. He has always told anyone who would listen how evil conservatives were, and how virtuous liberals were. If anyone disagreed with Ray, well that was only because they were haters, and not worthy of being listened to anyhow.

For those of your who believe Ray was acquitted, read the link from the beginning of this sentence. He struck a plea deal, in which he agreed to plead guilty to Obstruction of Justice, testify against his friends, and pay a hell of a lot of money to the victim’s families, the prosecution, the NFL, the limo driver, and anyone else who needed a bribe at the time. Ray it seems drove his crew of thugs to the club, and when the deed was done, which several witnesses placed Lewis’ personage in the fray at the time, he hid the two co-defendants in his limo, hid the murder weapons in his limo, and drove off. He lied to investigators about those small facts, until his arrest, at which time he clammed up, until his sweet heart deal was signed. That makes him a rat, and not a stand up guy.

ATLANTA (CNNSI.com) — A judge Monday approved a deal allowing Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis to avoid murder charges and jail time by pleading guilty to a misdemeanor and testifying against two co-defendants.

Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months’ probation, the maximum sentence for a first-time offender. Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis can not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.

Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard refused to say how the plea agreement was brokered but said his office made the right decision to prosecute Lewis.

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Samuel said Lewis will testify against his co-defendants as part of the deal, which also calls for aggravated assault charges against the linebacker to be dropped.

Now, just to throw this in, for the fools who will claim that Lewis is the greatest linebacker to have ever played the game, here is another reason to label me a hater. Jack Ham and Jack Lambert were both top quality linebackers with the rival Steelers organization. Both of them have four championship rings and were members of a defense that allowed a grand total of 28 points in the final 9 games of the 1976 season. Five of those 9 games saw the Steelers shutting out their opponents. Has Ray even seen 5 shutouts during the entire course of his career? Let those numbers sink in for just one moment, and compare anything Ray Lewis accomplished with that. Add that to the fact that neither Lambert nor Ham was involved in a double homicide, and there really is no comparison.

Schedule
Week Date Opponent Time (ET) TV Result
1 Sunday September 12 at Oakland Raiders 4:00 pm NBC L 31–28
2 Sunday September 19 Cleveland Browns 1:00 pm NBC W 31–14
3 Sunday September 26 New England Patriots 1:00 pm NBC L 30–27
4 Monday October 4 at Minnesota Vikings 9:00 pm ABC L 17–6
5 Sunday October 10 at Cleveland Browns 1:00 pm NBC L 18–16
6 Sunday October 17 Cincinnati Bengals 1:00 pm NBC W 23–6
7 Sunday October 24 at New York Giants 1:00 pm NBC W 27–0
8 Sunday October 31 San Diego Chargers 1:00 pm NBC W 23–0
9 Sunday November 7 at Kansas City Chiefs 1:00 pm NBC W 45–0
10 Sunday November 14 Miami Dolphins 1:00 pm NBC W 14–3
11 Sunday November 21 Houston Oilers 1:00 pm NBC W 32–16
12 Sunday November 28 at Cincinnati Bengals 1:00 pm NBC W 7–3
13 Sunday December 5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1:00 pm NBC W 42–0
14 Saturday December 11 at Houston Oilers 1:00 pm NBC W 21–0

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86 Responses to “Ray Lewis Of The National Felons League Set To Retire After 17 Seasons, Two Murders, And Umpteen Stupid Statements.”
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  1. Bumr50
    1 | January 3, 2013 7:27 pm

    Were those Bum Phillips’ Oilers?


  2. heysoos
    2 | January 3, 2013 7:43 pm

    regardless of his humanity, I’d rather not get tackled by him…btw Kobe the Magnificent bought his way out of a rape charge…


  3. eaglesoars
    3 | January 3, 2013 7:44 pm

    Even Michael Vick went to prison. Personally I think his sentence should have been to sustain rectal insertion of a cattle prod every day for the rest of his life -- but he DID go to prison.


  4. eaglesoars
    4 | January 3, 2013 7:45 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Kobe the Magnificent bought his way out of a rape charge…

    I’m not sure his accuser was all that credible.

    off to do some reading……….


  5. heysoos
    5 | January 3, 2013 7:47 pm

    the NFL cannot disallow employment of felons who have done their time…so guys like Vick come back, even tho millions of football fans were against it…that’s just the way it works…it’s not an NFL thing


  6. Bumr50
    6 | January 3, 2013 7:50 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ eaglesoars:

    There need to be equally punitive sentences for golddiggers that misrepresent rape charges.


  7. CynicalConservative
    7 | January 3, 2013 7:50 pm

    @ heysoos:
    And yet those same millions bought tickets and swag and subscriptions and follow the bread and circuses like a hound on a scent.

    /galt


  8. 8 | January 3, 2013 7:52 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    @ eaglesoars:
    There need to be equally punitive sentences for golddiggers that misrepresent rape charges.

    Mike Tyson was screwed over also.


  9. Dolphin
    9 | January 3, 2013 7:52 pm

    And then there are good guys like this! Definitely worth the 5 minutes.

    J.J. Watt’s Remarkable Friendship


  10. heysoos
    10 | January 3, 2013 7:53 pm

    CynicalConservative wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    And yet those same millions bought tickets and swag and subscriptions and follow the bread and circuses like a hound on a scent.
    /galt

    it’s one guy out of 1856 players…the NFL is restricted by the law just like any other business in this matter


  11. darkwords
    11 | January 3, 2013 8:12 pm

    The debt numbers and corruption get so big, the only thing that will solve it is a collapse. But who knows what would happen.


  12. 12 | January 3, 2013 8:12 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I don’t object to the Ravens employing him, nor event the NFL. Just don’t tote those endless what-a-great-guy-Ray-Lewis-is interest stories out every single Sunday, and tell us all how he’s an ordained minister doing good works for Jesus ad nauseam.

    He’s a thug, plain and simple. His job is one perfectly suited for a thug. It’s the elevation of his thuggery to some sort of farcical fantasy of noble intentions and deeds that I find objectionable.


  13. darkwords
    13 | January 3, 2013 8:14 pm

    Someone create a Well Regulated Militia Facebook Page. If you like it you are on your way to being a patriot.


  14. Bumr50
    14 | January 3, 2013 8:18 pm

    Pretty funny stuff.


  15. heysoos
    15 | January 3, 2013 8:19 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I don’t object to the Ravens employing him, nor event the NFL. Just don’t tote those endless what-a-great-guy-Ray-Lewis-is interest stories out every single Sunday, and tell us all how he’s an ordained minister doing good works for Jesus ad nauseam.
    He’s a thug, plain and simple. His job is one perfectly suited for a thug. It’s the elevation of his thuggery to some sort of farcical fantasy of noble intentions and deeds that I find objectionable.

    I can’t disagree with any of that…it’s a cultural thing


  16. darkwords
    16 | January 3, 2013 8:23 pm

    Hey some twitter personality says we should all push for a state gun.

    Kentucky — musket
    Pennsylvania — blunderbuss
    Oregon — canon
    Texas --


  17. RIX
    17 | January 3, 2013 8:24 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    I don’t object to the Ravens employing him, nor event the NFL. Just don’t tote those endless what-a-great-guy-Ray-Lewis-is interest stories out every single Sunday, and tell us all how he’s an ordained minister doing good works for Jesus ad nauseam.

    He’s a thug, plain and simple. His job is one perfectly suited for a thug. It’s the elevation of his thuggery to some sort of farcical fantasy of noble intentions and deeds that I find objectionable.

    You just committed truth. Profesional sports with the possible exception of baseball
    has become a thugocracy.
    Too bad.


  18. darkwords
    18 | January 3, 2013 8:25 pm

    @ 14 Bumr50: The sorry story is that democrats always vote for the wolf in sheeps clothing. And when the wolf eats them they have no clue as to what is happening. the low info sheep.


  19. 19 | January 3, 2013 8:30 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    When it belongs to someone else, okey dokey. When it belongs to a libtard, the sky is falling.


  20. heysoos
    20 | January 3, 2013 8:35 pm

    my boy played football from Rocket through high school where he was an all conference safety…he got a bunch of offers to play for MAC schools, Navy etc…one Friday night, late in the game, he flew over and blew up a sure touchdown, right at the right pylon…he ripped off the receivers helmet and knocked this poor kid senseless…there was a huge fuss down at the goal line and eventually the kid was hauled off in an ambulance…my son was horrified, he came home, cleaned up and 3-4 of his buddies showed up and they all hauled off up to the Allegan (MI) hospital to visit the other kid and make sure he was alright…that very receiver was a good friend of my boys a couple of years later at UM…very few kids turn out like a Ray Lewis


  21. citizen_q
    21 | January 3, 2013 8:39 pm

    Documents Uncovered by Judicial Watch Indicate FBI Knew Assassinated U.S. Born Terrorist Anwar al-Aulaqi Purchased Airline Tickets for 9/11 Hijackers

    WASHINGTON, DC--(Marketwire -- Jan 3, 2013) -- Judicial Watch announced today that it has received documents from the U.S. State Department indicating that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was aware on September 27, 2001, that Anwar al-Aulaqi, the U.S. born terrorist assassinated by a U.S. drone in Yemen on September 30, 2011, had purchased airplane tickets for three of the 9/11 terrorist hijackers, including mastermind Mohammed Atta. Subsequent to the FBI’s discovery, al-Aulaqi was detained and released by authorities at least twice and had been invited to dine at the Pentagon.

    According to a September 27, 2001, FBI transcription, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of State and Federal Bureau of Investigations (No. 1:12-cv-00893)), al-Aulaqi purchased airline tickets for the following 9/11 hijackers:

    Mohammed Atta, America West Airlines, 08/13/2001, for a flight from Washington, DC, to Las Vegas, Nevada, to Miami, Florida.

    S. Suqami, Southwest Airlines, 07/10/2001, for a flight from Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, to Orlando, Florida.

    Al-Sheri, National Airlines, 08/01/2001, for a flight from San Francisco, California, to Las Vegas, Nevada, to Miami, Florida.

    In addition to the arrests noted by the documents in 2006 and 2007, al-Aulaqi was detained and questioned at New York’s JFK airport on October 10, 2002, under a warrant for passport fraud, a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. However, the FBI ordered al-Aulaqi’s release, even though the arrest warrant was still active at the time of his detention as reported by Fox News Channel’s Catherine Herridge. Once released al-Aulaqi then took a flight to Washington, DC, and eventually returned to Yemen.

    On February 5, 2002, four months after the FBI discovered his connection to the 9/11 terrorists, al-Aulaqi was invited to dine at the Pentagon on February 5, 2002, “as part of the military’s outreach to the Muslim community in the immediate aftermath of the attacks,” reports Herridge.


  22. 22 | January 3, 2013 8:40 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Here’s a classic from Ray Leis. he says there will be violence if the NFL Strike hadn’t ended!


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | January 3, 2013 8:40 pm

    RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!!


  24. 24 | January 3, 2013 8:41 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Here’s the video.


  25. 25 | January 3, 2013 8:43 pm

    @ heysoos:

    And that’s the way it is for most people who participate in team athletics. Your boy did the right thing, and his strong sense of moral center is a tribute to the upbringing you provided for him. Ray Lewis’ actions speak only to Ray Lewis.

    Some how in our society however, half of our citizenry chooses to glorify the Ray Lewis’ of the world, and not the kids who exhibit the better behaviors. It’s truly the Kennedy syndrome. Man kills off some poor shclub, feels guilty after using his power and influence to weasel out of it, and as a way to wash away his own guilt, takes a holier than thou attitude and advocates for diminished personal freedom for the rest of us who actually took the trouble to follow society’s rules for decent conduct.

    Ray Lewis has already accepted a job on ESPN for next year, I hope he drowns at the water cooler or at the very least scalds himself on too hot coffee every single day.


  26. 26 | January 3, 2013 8:49 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    I don’t object to the Ravens employing him, nor event the NFL. Just don’t tote those endless what-a-great-guy-Ray-Lewis-is interest stories out every single Sunday, and tell us all how he’s an ordained minister doing good works for Jesus ad nauseam.

    He’s a thug, plain and simple. His job is one perfectly suited for a thug. It’s the elevation of his thuggery to some sort of farcical fantasy of noble intentions and deeds that I find objectionable.

    Lighten up, without the NFL those guys would never have gotten into college except as janitors or grounds keepers. or maybe bicycle thieves. We need the NFL to get gang members off the streets (and into limmos condos and high class rehab.
    You are such a hater. Welcome to the club.


  27. heysoos
    27 | January 3, 2013 8:50 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    I cannot defend Ray Lewis…but I can defend the NFL…he’s hardly the first felon to play for the NFL…but the sport cannot protect itself from the law…as for this business of rooting for him, I don’t and cannot speak for his fans…that’s their business


  28. 28 | January 3, 2013 8:50 pm

    @ Rodan:

    100% of the nothing-better-to-do-now-that-football-is-over increase in America’s murder rate was due to homicides committed by Ray Lewis. The solution may be to arrest him and incarcerate him for the crimes he commits, just spitballin here.


  29. Calo
    29 | January 3, 2013 8:50 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!! RAY LEWIS!!!

    Heh, haven’t seen that in a while.


  30. 30 | January 3, 2013 8:51 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I believe what we have here is called complete agreement with one another.


  31. heysoos
    31 | January 3, 2013 8:52 pm

    JeremyR wrote:

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I don’t object to the Ravens employing him, nor event the NFL. Just don’t tote those endless what-a-great-guy-Ray-Lewis-is interest stories out every single Sunday, and tell us all how he’s an ordained minister doing good works for Jesus ad nauseam.
    He’s a thug, plain and simple. His job is one perfectly suited for a thug. It’s the elevation of his thuggery to some sort of farcical fantasy of noble intentions and deeds that I find objectionable.

    Lighten up, without the NFL those guys would never have gotten into college except as janitors or grounds keepers. or maybe bicycle thieves. We need the NFL to get gang members off the streets (and into limmos condos and high class rehab.
    You are such a hater. Welcome to the club.

    you think most NFL players are gangsters?…spill it


  32. coldwarrior
    32 | January 3, 2013 8:52 pm

    @ Calo:

    :lol:

    i loves me some ray-ray!


  33. 33 | January 3, 2013 8:59 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Best read my comment again, I said janitors, grounds keepers or MAYBE bicycle thieves. I did not say they were all felons, I said they were mostly stupid, and having been a landlord to several who made the big tent,and a lot who did not, I know that of which I speak.


  34. heysoos
    34 | January 3, 2013 9:01 pm

    JeremyR wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Best read my comment again, I said janitors, grounds keepers or MAYBE bicycle thieves. I did not say they were all felons, I said they were mostly stupid, and having been a landlord to several who made the big tent,and a lot who did not, I know that of which I speak.

    I might be interested in facts that promote the idea the NFL players are mostly stupid…what makes you sure of this stupid claim?


  35. Brick
    35 | January 3, 2013 9:01 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Hey some twitter personality says we should all push for a state gun.
    Kentucky — musket
    Pennsylvania — blunderbuss
    Oregon — canon
    Texas --

    Illinois -- a slingshot


  36. lobo91
    36 | January 3, 2013 9:02 pm

    JeremyR wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Best read my comment again, I said janitors, grounds keepers or MAYBE bicycle thieves. I did not say they were all felons, I said they were mostly stupid, and having been a landlord to several who made the big tent,and a lot who did not, I know that of which I speak.

    I had to put up with several college athletes in class (well, when they showed up) while I was getting my BA.

    The NFL and NBA really just need to create a farm system and stop pretending that these players are in college to learn anything.


  37. heysoos
    37 | January 3, 2013 9:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    JeremyR wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Best read my comment again, I said janitors, grounds keepers or MAYBE bicycle thieves. I did not say they were all felons, I said they were mostly stupid, and having been a landlord to several who made the big tent,and a lot who did not, I know that of which I speak.

    I had to put up with several college athletes in class (well, when they showed up) while I was getting my BA.
    The NFL and NBA really just need to create a farm system and stop pretending that these players are in college to learn anything.

    you sound like a liberal, tucking people into your convenient coops…show me where NFL players are more stupid than say, you…you blow off a lot of good people with this ridiculous stereotype


  38. 38 | January 3, 2013 9:06 pm

    Last one I interacted with had a PHD in agricultural engineering.


  39. Brick
    39 | January 3, 2013 9:07 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    JeremyR wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Best read my comment again, I said janitors, grounds keepers or MAYBE bicycle thieves. I did not say they were all felons, I said they were mostly stupid, and having been a landlord to several who made the big tent,and a lot who did not, I know that of which I speak.

    I might be interested in facts that promote the idea the NFL players are mostly stupid…what makes you sure of this stupid claim?

    You mean besides that they are playing a child’s game for money, and not working for the NSA cracking codes or working for the CDC pulling apart pathogens for analysis? :)


  40. lobo91
    40 | January 3, 2013 9:08 pm

    @ heysoos:

    you sound like a liberal, tucking people into your convenient coops…show me where NFL players are more stupid than say, you…you blow off a lot of good people with this ridiculous stereotype

    You’re right. I obviously imagined my own personal experience.


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | January 3, 2013 9:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I might be interested in facts that promote the idea the NFL players are mostly stupid…what makes you sure of this stupid claim?

    i taught full ride college athletes at Pitt and RMU, they were no different from the other students. some were very smart, some not so smart and didnt really belong there.

    ya know what, there was one advantage, those who underperformed were then motivated by their coach to bust their ass to get their grades up.


  42. 42 | January 3, 2013 9:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    JeremyR wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Best read my comment again, I said janitors, grounds keepers or MAYBE bicycle thieves. I did not say they were all felons, I said they were mostly stupid, and having been a landlord to several who made the big tent,and a lot who did not, I know that of which I speak.

    I had to put up with several college athletes in class (well, when they showed up) while I was getting my BA.
    The NFL and NBA really just need to create a farm system and stop pretending that these players are in college to learn anything.

    you sound like a liberal, tucking people into your convenient coops…show me where NFL players are more stupid than say, you…you blow off a lot of good people with this ridiculous stereotype

    Yup, I’m a liberal. As far as constitutionalists go, I sit on the left fringe. I have rented to quite a few of Kansas States football players. With out the athletic scholarships, they would be ditch diggers at best. I have had properties trashed, a front porch broken off the building, other tenants and neighbors assaulted, and more from these high quality students. I still watch the NFL, its entertainment, but I wish they had standards of conduct since they are role models for future generations. Too bad they aren’t good role models.


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | January 3, 2013 9:12 pm

    Brick wrote:

    You mean besides that they are playing a child’s game for money,

    and making a ton of money doing it? looks pretty smart to me.

    play a few years in the bigs and then be able to retire with enough wealth to live on? pretty good.


  44. lobo91
    44 | January 3, 2013 9:15 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    play a few years in the bigs and then be able to retire with enough wealth to live on? pretty good.

    Of course, most of them don’t do that. It would require actually saving or investing the millions they make, instead of buying mansions and exotic cars.


  45. Brick
    45 | January 3, 2013 9:21 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Brick wrote:
    You mean besides that they are playing a child’s game for money,
    and making a ton of money doing it? looks pretty smart to me.
    play a few years in the bigs and then be able to retire with enough wealth to live on? pretty good.

    I’d pass. (pun intended.) You have a prime of say…10-12 years, after which your body functions like one 30 years older. Granted, if you’re one of the greats, there’s talking head gigs, if you’re one of the betters, there’s endorsements for joint creams, and adult diapers, if you’re everyone else…let’s hope you paid attention in college have a skillset that’s a bit more broad than dogfighting ringmaster, and haven’t suffered a concussion or three.

    As long as they can continue entertaining viewers, they’re not living on my dime and G-d bless them. :)


  46. coldwarrior
    46 | January 3, 2013 9:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Of course, most of them don’t do that. It would require actually saving or investing the millions they make, instead of buying mansions and exotic cars.

    i dont know that to be the case.

    some teams (at least the teams with owners who care about their employees) actually set up these players with guidance as part of the contract to show them how to be able to live off the money they make. i do know the steelers are big into this. the rooney’s can show them the way. it is up to the player to do the right things.

    so i really dont know how many blow it all.


  47. coldwarrior
    47 | January 3, 2013 9:25 pm

    Brick wrote:

    As long as they can continue entertaining viewers, they’re not living on my dime and G-d bless them. :)

    no skin off my nose how much they make, more power to ‘em.

    and they got their school paid for to boot! good deal!


  48. coldwarrior
    48 | January 3, 2013 9:27 pm

    get ‘em harry!

    A leading Afghanistan terrorist

    has dubbed Britain’s Prince Harry a boozed-fueled “jackal’’…The British Prince comes to Afghanistan to kill innocent Afghans while he is drunk. He wants to hunt down Mujaheddin with his helicopter rockets without any shame,’’ Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, labeled a global terrorist by the United States, told Britain’s Daily Telegraph in a rare interview.

    damn! i am too old to be a booze filled helicopter pilot-jackal!

    :lol:


  49. Speranza
    49 | January 3, 2013 9:29 pm

    You keep trashing Ray Lewis, what team are you a fan of? If you are a Steeler fan they are not exactly a team of Boy scouts either.


  50. coldwarrior
    50 | January 3, 2013 9:30 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    You keep trashing Ray Lewis, what team are you a fan of? If you are a Steeler fan they are not exactly a team of Boy scouts either.

    i’m sure not trashing lewis. i wish he had played for pittsburgh.


  51. Speranza
    51 | January 3, 2013 9:30 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    @ eaglesoars:
    There need to be equally punitive sentences for golddiggers that misrepresent rape charges.

    Remember back in 1996 some bimbo claimed that Michael Irvin held a gun to her head while a teammate (Erik Williams) raped her? It turned out she was a fucking liar- literally!


  52. AZfederalist
    52 | January 3, 2013 9:32 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Hey some twitter personality says we should all push for a state gun.

    Kentucky — musket
    Pennsylvania — blunderbuss
    Oregon — canon
    Texas --

    AZ: Colt .45


  53. Speranza
    53 | January 3, 2013 9:32 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    You keep trashing Ray Lewis, what team are you a fan of? If you are a Steeler fan they are not exactly a team of Boy scouts either.

    i’m sure not trashing lewis. i wish he had played for pittsburgh.

    Fans are awfully forgiving when one of these “bad boys” comes over to their team. In NYC Yankee fans hated the psychopath Roger Clemens up until the moment he donned pinstripes.
    I’m not a Mike Lupica fan but he called that syndrome “Their bum, our guy”.


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | January 3, 2013 9:33 pm

    @ Speranza:

    aint that the truth.


  55. coldwarrior
    55 | January 3, 2013 9:34 pm

    one.more.12.hour.day.

    night yinz…early early morning tomorrow


  56. Speranza
    56 | January 3, 2013 9:34 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    some teams (at least the teams with owners who care about their employees) actually set up these players with guidance as part of the contract to show them how to be able to live off the money they make.

    Vince Young, out of football and completely broke. Not even 30 years old.


  57. Speranza
    57 | January 3, 2013 9:36 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    aint that the truth.

    Steve Serby of The New York Post used to trash the 1995 Cowboys for their off the field troubles, yet he used to make excuses for the likes of New York Giants Lawrence Taylor and Tito Wooten (girl friend beater).


  58. 58 | January 3, 2013 9:36 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ coldwarrior:

    It is. Heck NY Yankee fans hated Johnny Damon, he became one of the most beloved ones.


  59. 59 | January 3, 2013 9:36 pm

    @ Speranza:

    New York Giants Lawrence Taylor

    I read his bio. That man was really a low life.


  60. yenta-fada
    60 | January 3, 2013 9:41 pm

    “I don’t know if the guys knew who he was … it came a big shock to them when he was killed.” … Los Angeles Laker star Kobe Bryant after a team outing to see “Lincoln.” (USA Today, December 31, 2012)


  61. unclassifiable
    61 | January 3, 2013 9:46 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The NFL and NBA really just need to create a farm system and stop pretending that these players are in college to learn anything.

    I concur for most of the schools in bowls. Seriously with tuitions going through the roof and the fact that the whole point for a lot of the FBS programs is getting players drafted or signed by an NFL team the whole student/athlete thing is a rarity. It is especially irksome for state schools.


  62. unclassifiable
    62 | January 3, 2013 9:48 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Well at least he did not waste time in college.


  63. Speranza
    63 | January 3, 2013 9:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    New York Giants Lawrence Taylor
    I read his bio. That man was really a low life.

    Was and still is.


  64. yenta-fada
    64 | January 3, 2013 9:53 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Well at least he did not waste time in college.

    How low can the bar go?


  65. Bumr50
    65 | January 3, 2013 9:56 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    He’s no idiot.


  66. unclassifiable
    66 | January 3, 2013 9:56 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    OJ


  67. Bumr50
    67 | January 3, 2013 10:04 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Nite!
    Yer almost done!


  68. Brick
    68 | January 3, 2013 10:05 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    nite, CW


  69. 69 | January 3, 2013 10:12 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    You keep trashing Ray Lewis, what team are you a fan of? If you are a Steeler fan they are not exactly a team of Boy scouts either.

    I don’t have a special favorite, was born and raised a Vikings fan, but the idea of rooting for the 2nd runner up year after year is a drag. My least favorites are the San Franfreakshow 69ers, the Washout town Redskins, The Raiders, The Lions and the Cowboys. My tops are the Vikings, the Packers, Bears depending on whom they play, Patriots, Ravens, and the Bronocs.
    I look more for good respectable players then teams. I want to encourage people toward players who conduct themselves in a respectable manner.


  70. Speranza
    70 | January 3, 2013 10:17 pm

    @ JeremyR:
    Like Jerry Seinfeld once said “Essentially you are rooting for dirty laundry”.


  71. waldensianspirit
    71 | January 3, 2013 10:20 pm

    They are our present day gladiators. They get to live long enough to fail


  72. 72 | January 3, 2013 10:30 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    @ eaglesoars:
    There need to be equally punitive sentences for golddiggers that misrepresent rape charges.

    Absolutely!

    JeremyR wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    You keep trashing Ray Lewis, what team are you a fan of? If you are a Steeler fan they are not exactly a team of Boy scouts either.

    I don’t have a special favorite, was born and raised a Vikings fan, but the idea of rooting for the 2nd runner up year after year is a drag. My least favorites are the San Franfreakshow 69ers, the Washout town Redskins, The Raiders, The Lions and the Cowboys. My tops are the Vikings, the Packers, Bears depending on whom they play, Patriots, Ravens, and the Bronocs.
    I look more for good respectable players then teams. I want to encourage people toward players who conduct themselves in a respectable manner.

    I can go back to being a Bears fan now that Lovie Smith is gone.

    He backed Obama for explicitly racial reasons.

    lobo91 wrote:

    JeremyR wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Best read my comment again, I said janitors, grounds keepers or MAYBE bicycle thieves. I did not say they were all felons, I said they were mostly stupid, and having been a landlord to several who made the big tent,and a lot who did not, I know that of which I speak.

    I had to put up with several college athletes in class (well, when they showed up) while I was getting my BA.
    The NFL and NBA really just need to create a farm system and stop pretending that these players are in college to learn anything.

    Indeed.


  73. Bumr50
    73 | January 3, 2013 10:35 pm

    Shout-out to Ray-Ray.


  74. Aussie Infidel
    74 | January 3, 2013 10:52 pm

    The green Leftist Al Gore’s 20% share in his left wing TV company sold to Oil barons from the Gulf States before the 31st dDc 2012 deadline to minimise his tax with the impending Obama Fiscal Cliff tax rises. Double wammy for the Gore-icle who is now the recipient if BIG OIL money. How do you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?
    The Leftist denizens at Google. So keen to hike everyone else’s tax rates but not so keen to pay their fair share. They gave Obama $800000 during the election but don’t like paying taxes like the rest of the paroles. $10 billion shifted to a Bermuda Tax haven. Progressivism is for us to talk about and for us to enforce on everyone else, but we are the elite so the rules don’t apply to us! Socialist Commissar class bastards.
    The Washingtom Post waxed lyrical about how great progressivism was and gave the Democrats a pass as they shilled for Obama for the past 4 years. When it came to paying up like the rest of the paroles they just used their ‘free pass’ and paid out 2013 dividends at the end of 2012 to minimise tax. Class Warfare bastards one and all.
    Warren Buffet’s firm Berkshire Hathaway. Adjusted his $17 million ‘special’ dividend to fall conveniently just before Dec 31st. 2012. Socialist Charlatans and would be self serving ‘elitists’.
    Facebook’s socialist coven with the chief progressive manipulator Zuckerberg was so ‘cool’ with paying more tax as he shilled for Obama. When it came to anteing up however Facebook co-founder Saverin renounced his US citizenship and saved himself a $70 million tax bill covering income, estate and gift duties. Whilst Zukerberg manipulated the timing on dividends and setting up a GRAT trust to save himself millions. Nothing to see here folks, just another socialist hypocrite who believes that he is ‘above’ the paroles when it comes to paying $200 million tax.

    George Lucas Hero of Obama’s capitalist bashing crew of billionaires sold out to Disney for $4bioolion when the word came down from the WH that the taxes were going up on 1st. Jan 2013. Apparently George needs the money to claw back all the cash he tipped Obama’s was over the past 18 months. He should join the Chinese Politburo with all of the other Marxists getting rich at the capitalist pump with special inside rules for the elites.

    Andre Dr. Dre the highest paid performer in the world. Who said hip hop and Gangster rap doesn’t pay. Also Obama’s largest contributor. Now he’s moved his Billions to Cork Ireland and a cosy tax haven . Let the street bros pay tax. I’m an elite Cool now. “I don’t pay no f#@king tax. …..and so many more progressive class warriors …. For the little people. … who have their own rules when it comes to them paying tax.


  75. Brick
    75 | January 3, 2013 10:52 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    Interesting bit of trivia…Tina’s neice Kathy is the publisher of the WaPo.


  76. eaglesoars
    76 | January 3, 2013 10:56 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    The green Leftist Al Gore’s 20% share in his left wing TV company sold to Oil barons from the Gulf States before the 31st dDc 2012 deadline to minimise his tax

    Apparently he missed the deadline….awwwww


  77. darkwords
    77 | January 3, 2013 11:04 pm

    @ 74 Aussie Infidel: REtro tax on progressives they won’t mind.


  78. darkwords
    78 | January 3, 2013 11:04 pm

    American Infidel ‏@AlieNicole7
    Calling someone a ‘politician’ is just a less fun way of saying ‘Death Eater.’”- Lord Voldemort


  79. eaglesoars
    79 | January 3, 2013 11:39 pm

    This is a really interesting/fun story about possibly the world’s best pickpocket. h/t instapundit

    few years ago, at a Las Vegas convention for magicians, Penn Jillette, of the act Penn and Teller, was introduced to a soft-spoken young man named Apollo Robbins, who has a reputation as a pickpocket of almost supernatural ability. Jillette, who ranks pickpockets, he says, “a few notches below hypnotists on the show-biz totem pole,” was holding court at a table of colleagues, and he asked Robbins for a demonstration, ready to be unimpressed. Robbins demurred, claiming that he felt uncomfortable working in front of other magicians. He pointed out that, since Jillette was wearing only shorts and a sports shirt, he wouldn’t have much to work with.

    “Come on,” Jillette said. “Steal something from me.”

    Again, Robbins begged off, but he offered to do a trick instead. He instructed Jillette to place a ring that he was wearing on a piece of paper and trace its outline with a pen. By now, a small crowd had gathered. Jillette removed his ring, put it down on the paper, unclipped a pen from his shirt, and leaned forward, preparing to draw. After a moment, he froze and looked up. His face was pale.

    “Fuck. You,” he said, and slumped into a chair.

    Robbins held up a thin, cylindrical object: the cartridge from Jillette’s pen.

    [ ]

    He is probably best known for an encounter with Jimmy Carter’s Secret Service detail in 2001. While Carter was at dinner, Robbins struck up a conversation with several of his Secret Service men. Within a few minutes, he had emptied the agents’ pockets of pretty much everything but their guns. Robbins brandished a copy of Carter’s itinerary, and when an agent snatched it back he said, “You don’t have the authorization to see that!” When the agent felt for his badge, Robbins produced it and handed it back. Then he turned to the head of the detail and handed him his watch, his badge, and the keys to the Carter motorcade

    [ ]

    At the Rio, a man’s cell phone disappeared from his jacket and was replaced by a piece of fried chicken; the cigarettes from a pack in one man’s breast pocket materialized loose in the side pocket of another; a woman’s engagement ring vanished and reappeared attached to a key ring in her husband’s pants; a man’s driver’s license disappeared from his wallet and turned up inside a sealed bag of M&M’s in his wife’s purse.


  80. lobo91
    80 | January 3, 2013 11:43 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Maybe he can find the keys to that lockbox Al Gore said the Social Security trust fund is in…


  81. eaglesoars
    81 | January 4, 2013 12:21 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Maybe he can find the keys to that lockbox Al Gore said the Social Security trust fund is in…

    He’s been working w/neuroscientists, etc. There’s a bunch of his stuff up on youtube including from NatGeo. Just search ‘Apollo Robbins’

    awesome


  82. 82 | January 4, 2013 2:56 am

    Perhaps I should put Ray Lewis in a future Download City episode….it’s been a while….


  83. 83 | January 4, 2013 4:56 am

    Meh. Bread and circuses… Celebrate that big football/basketball/baseball/whatever weekend by going to the firing range (once ammo becomes available again, if it ever does.) Take the spouse/kids/grandkids/friends with you and save the beer and nachos for the gun cleaning party afterwards.

    NOTE -- Have every single participant verify manually that all remaining ammo is stored away and that every firearm is unloaded before popping the top on that first beer. Safety first. Oh, and keep the Hoppes # 9 off the nachos -- doesn’t do a thing for the taste.


  84. Guggi
    84 | January 4, 2013 7:56 am

    Worth reading (imho)

    Time for leaders to delegate on the budget

    The agreement on the “fiscal cliff” left the nation’s major economic problems — its federal deficit and debt, high unemployment and low growth — on the negotiating-room floor. What went wrong?

    Part of the problem may lie with the negotiating style, the procedures and methods of both the Obama administration and Congress. They all try to run it from the top. The natural impulse was first to have the president and House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) meet. Several sessions as the Jan. 1 fiscal-cliff deadline approached were short, an hour or less. The president complained to his staff that Boehner presented only talking points and wasn’t there to negotiate. Boehner complained to his staff that the president did most of the talking, adopting a condescending, lecturing tone.

    (…)

    Could the staffers have done better? The behind-the-scenes story of the failure of the supercommittee last year, until now unreported, suggests that they could have.

    The supercommittee was charged with finding $1.2 trillion in deficit cuts over 10 years. To guarantee its success, Congress and Obama agreed on $110 billion in mandatory spending cuts that would take effect Jan. 1, 2013, if the supercommittee failed — cuts so odious that the supercommittee would not allow itself to fail. Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and minority leader McConnell were fully on board with the plan. “The supercommittee is going to work,” Boehner told me in an interview last year. “I’ve got Reid’s and McConnell’s commitments.” It was a sure thing, they all agreed.

    The committee had about three months to do its work. While most of the congressional leaders and supercommittee members were out of town in October 2011, they assigned top staffers to work out a $1.2 trillion deficit-reduction agreement.

    (…)

    The five staffers struggled for a week. In my files is a one-page, typed document dated Oct. 23, 2011, showing that they essentially reached agreement. The Republicans had a total deficit reduction of $1.2 trillion and the Democrats had $1.24 trillion — a difference of $40 billion, not much.

    Some staffers were ready to break out the champagne. They had a pipeline straight to the leadership in both parties. But the members of the supercommittee did not trust each other. Instead of adopting the staff agreement or a version of it, they decided to go big and craft a deficit-reduction package of up to $3 trillion. They were shooting for a “grand bargain.”

    The record shows they overreached: The mandatory cuts of $110 billion were not forestalled; the Biden-McConnell agreement has postponed them, but only for two months.

    (…)

    In late 1982, President Ronald Reagan, not one to get lost in detail, very reluctantly signed into law the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act, which his staff had persuaded him was necessary. At that time, it was the largest tax increase in history, some $100 billion in business taxes over 10 years.

    Reagan White House aides told me at the time how the president responded when asked how a renowned tax-cutter such as himself could approve a tax increase.

    Darn, Reagan said, did we do that? He then pivoted and rather elegantly picked up one of his feet and kicked himself in the rear. Everyone laughed.

    Both Democrats and Republicans need to circumvent the vulture politics of the day that demonizes the opposition. Obama and Boehner need to create a climate in which all involved can adopt the stylish accommodation of Ronald Reagan, pivot elegantly, kick themselves in the rear end and declare, Darn, did we do that?


  85. 85 | January 4, 2013 8:25 am

    One last day at the house… Now I absolutely have to do that crap I’ve been putting off. I’ll make one last real home-cooked meal, the last one I’ll get for damned-near a month (the bachelor, on-the-road cooking doesn’t really count, IMHO.) I’m thinking a batch of Hearty Paprika Stew, served with rice. The wife did a variant of a pasta primavera last night, so it’s my turn.


  86. 86 | January 4, 2013 8:44 am

    To quote an old John Wayne movie line (guess the movie!), “Yer burning daylight!”


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