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Rand Paul vs. John McCain

by Rodan ( 107 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2016, Republican Party at January 4th, 2013 - 11:30 am

There once was a time The Republican party was serious on foreign policy. They were cautious and only believed in military intervention if US interests were at risk. This was the policy that guided the GOP during Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan and even Bush I administrations. It was the Democrats who were reckless and got us involved in conflicts that were not in America interstate’s like Vietnam, the Balkans or various interventions in Latin America. The core of the Democratic foreign policy was Progressive nation building. As recently as the 90′s Republicans opposed the Bosnian and Kosovo interventions. Then 9/11 happened and everything changed.

After the 9/11 attacks, the Republican Party under George W. Bush learned the wrong lesson. Rather than stick to the tradition Republican style of interventions, they decided to go on some Democracy spreading crusade that in retrospect has actually spread Islamists governments. The modern GOP is addicted to interventionism and nation building. Polls show Republicans reflexively support any military action, even if it’s in support of the very same people who attacked us on 9/11. If you are against the nation building foreign policy of today’s GOP, the labels isolationist and anti-Semite get thrown in attempts to silence you. But one Republican refuses to be silent, Rand Paul.

Unlike his crazy father, Rand Paul is not an isolationist nor an anti-Semite. He believes in the Pre-George W. Bush traditional cautious Republican foreign policy of Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan and Bush I. He realizes that nation building is not a Conservative concept and that we do Israel nor Mideast Christians no favors by supporting Islamists regimes.

Rand Paul has been selected to sit on the Foreign Relations committee. This will give him a powerful platform to call out the Pro-Islamist policies of Obama and the GOP. On that same committee, will be his nemesis the leader of the nation building wing of the Republican party, John McCain.

s the Senate Foreign Relations Committee big enough for both of them? Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and Arizona Sen. John McCain are two new members of the committee for the 113th Congress.

Though they are both Republicans, Paul and McCain have clashed repeatedly over foreign policy and national security. “I worry a lot about the rise of protectionism and isolationism in the Republican Party,” McCain said when Paul was first elected. “I admire his victory, but … already he has talked about withdrawals [and] cuts in defense.”

“Calling me an ‘isolationist’ is about as accurate or appropriate as calling Senator McCain an ‘imperialist,’” Paul shot back in his book “The Tea Party Goes to Washington.”

[....]
McCain and Paul have differed on military involvement in Libya, arming Syrian rebels, the size of the Pentagon budget, warrantless surveillance and foreign aid. Paul also opposed the Iraq War and tried to revoke its congressional authorization. McCain was a staunch supporter of the war

One of the factors that led to Mitt Romney defeat was his support of intervention in Libya and his calls for war against Syria. This prevented Romney to go after Obama on foreign policy since they both supported Islamic terrorists. It also fed the narrative that Republicans love war and nation building. Rand Paul is trying to bring the GOP back to sanity on foreign policy. Sadly, the Establishment will continue to manipulate Republican voters that nation building and unlimited interventionism is good. That is why Rand Paul will get no traction in 2016.

The Republican party can not claim to be against Islamic terrorism, when their foreign policy is based on supporting Islamists. Rand Paul’s potential 2016 rivals, Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio are both nation builders.  Although I agree with these 2 on economic issues, their foreign policy ideas leave much to be desired. You can not be a Fiscal Conservative and support nation building.  Rand Paul is the only major national Republican who is against nation building and Islamic terror. I wish him luck but realize he has a tough road.

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107 Responses to “Rand Paul vs. John McCain”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | January 4, 2013 11:36 am

    Too bad Rand Paul is tainted by his father.


  2. theoutsider
    2 | January 4, 2013 11:38 am

    I think Rand Paul is a Xerox of John McCain in 2000.


  3. 3 | January 4, 2013 11:38 am

    I wish the GOP had Rand Paul’s foreign policy views.


  4. 4 | January 4, 2013 11:39 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Too bad Rand Paul is tainted by his father.

    Yeah becasue the GOP should follow his blueprint.


  5. 5 | January 4, 2013 11:39 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    I think Rand Paul is a Xerox of John McCain in 2000.

    McCain was a Nation Builder/Interventionist back then too.


  6. theoutsider
    6 | January 4, 2013 11:49 am

    @ Rodan:
    I’m for Rand Paul’s Nation Builder?Interventionist v@ Rodan:
    That’s where I’m at


  7. 7 | January 4, 2013 11:52 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Rand Paul is no nation builder. I was saying that McCain in 2000 was. There is no comparison between rand Paul and McCain.


  8. heysoos
    8 | January 4, 2013 11:54 am

    as for Libya, Egypt and Syria….when the violence became uncontrolled the SD (BO) should have pulled all personel out and let the forces that be duke it out….corporations with huge assets are on their own…Coca Cola can look after their own if they want to invest in highly volatile regions….it ludicris to think any US intervention, no matter how large won’t be used against us…this is where BO’s cloudy intentions come in…why exactly put American lives at risk when they hate us?….the whole broad issue sucks


  9. heysoos
    9 | January 4, 2013 11:55 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ theoutsider:
    Rand Paul is no nation builder. I was saying that McCain in 2000 was. There is no comparison between rand Paul and McCain.

    the whole point of the blurb is for contrast


  10. 10 | January 4, 2013 11:55 am

    @ Rodan:

    John McCain has always been the Democrat’s favorite Republican. The Democrats loathe Rand Paul. There is virtually no point of commonality between the two.


  11. 11 | January 4, 2013 11:58 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    John McCain has always been the Democrat’s favorite Republican. The Democrats loathe Rand Paul. There is virtually no point of commonality between the two.

    McCain was their favorite Republican until he won the GOP nomination in 2008. Then we he went up against the god-king, they destroyed him.

    Hey check this out.


  12. theoutsider
    12 | January 4, 2013 11:59 am

    @ Rodan:
    Totally agree with you on that one. One question though? Do you agree with Rand Paul on rape babies?


  13. heysoos
    13 | January 4, 2013 12:00 pm

    that guy in the middle doesn’t look very black…we need a skin tone scale to maintain our racist accuracy


  14. 14 | January 4, 2013 12:02 pm

    @ theoutsider:

    Do you agree with Rand Paul on rape babies?

    What did he say and can I have a link?


  15. 15 | January 4, 2013 12:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    that guy in the middle doesn’t look very black…we need a skin tone scale to maintain our racist accuracy

    Corey Booker is too Conservative for the Democrats. He maybe Black, but he’s a Blue Dog. He will go nowhere.


  16. heysoos
    16 | January 4, 2013 12:03 pm

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Totally agree with you on that one. One question though? Do you agree with Rand Paul on rape babies?

    who cares?…that’s outside the realm of his constitutional duties


  17. lobo91
    17 | January 4, 2013 12:07 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You’re not supposed to use logic…


  18. heysoos
    18 | January 4, 2013 12:07 pm

    I wonder how long it will take BO’s black supporters 18-29 yrs old, that unemployment for them is probably permanently at 11.5%?…
    as in what have you done for me lately?


  19. 19 | January 4, 2013 12:09 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Buzzfeed is hard Left. Notice that he totally ignores Marco Rubio, who stands a really good chance of getting the nod. To the Left, everything is viewed through a prism of race. They are, therefore, racists.


  20. heysoos
    20 | January 4, 2013 12:10 pm

    His People are dying by the boatload in His own hometown while He sits on the beach sipping drinks with umbrellas in them ignoring the body count


  21. 21 | January 4, 2013 12:12 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The death toll in Chicago doesn’t help his drive for more gun control (Chicago has some of the strictest gun control in the country), so they don’t matter at all to Obama.


  22. heysoos
    22 | January 4, 2013 12:14 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    The death toll in Chicago doesn’t help his drive for more gun control (Chicago has some of the strictest gun control in the country), so they don’t matter at all to Obama.

    remember the disenchanted Chicago blacks before the election?…that stuff can ignite and take off like wildfire


  23. RIX
    23 | January 4, 2013 12:16 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    The death toll in Chicago doesn’t help his drive for more gun control (Chicago has some of the strictest gun control in the country), so they don’t matter at all to Obama.

    But the Mayor & Police Chief are calling for “stricter” gun laws.
    I guess the logic is that more laws will impress the gangs.


  24. unclassifiable
    24 | January 4, 2013 12:25 pm

    @ RIX:

    Putting on my lib logic hat I can see where they will want the people who are allowed to have the guns (the police) to go get all of the guns including the ones belonging to the criminals.

    Oh, and they don’t want to live in a police state either.

    Taking off the lib hat I can see it will take a tremendous amount of persuasion to penatrate this mindset.


  25. citizen_q
    25 | January 4, 2013 12:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    The death toll in Chicago doesn’t help his drive for more gun control (Chicago has some of the strictest gun control in the country), so they don’t matter at all to Obama.

    But the Mayor & Police Chief are calling for “stricter” gun laws.
    I guess the logic is that more laws will impress the gangs.

    I have heard the excuse that the reason these idiotic laws fail so spectacularly is that firearms are available elsewhere, so the need is for similar national laws.


  26. pat
    26 | January 4, 2013 12:28 pm

    It is possible that a very few people in America, I mean a single digit percent of adults, realize that there are no roads to democracy in Muslim countries. Rather all lead to religious fanatics. That no Muslim country is really an ally to any Western nation. All are active enemies waiting to pounce. Some such as Saudi Arabia have paid millions to kill Westerners and US citizens in particular.


  27. heysoos
    27 | January 4, 2013 12:29 pm

    liberal insanity….there is no cure

    Former Democratic New York City mayoral candidate Mark Green appeared on MSNBC’s Hardball on Thursday where he advocated for the strictest of gun ownership laws. He said that there should be a registry where people can go to see if their neighbor is a gun owner, just as “Megan’s Law” allows for individuals to see if there is a convicted sex offender living in their neighborhood.

    “If we have a Megan’s Law -- because I think almost everyone might agree -- that if you’re a convicted child molester, a neighbor might want to know that because they’re in your home, safe, but maybe they could hurt someone else,” Green said. “Same thing with guns.”

    “There may be people who think the more concealed weapons, the better. Fine. Live in Texas or Florida,” Green added.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/what_some_liberals_really_think_of_gun_owners.html#ixzz2H1r0R0eX
    Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook


  28. pat
    28 | January 4, 2013 12:32 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I have heard the excuse that the reason these idiotic laws fail so spectacularly is that firearms are available elsewhere, so the need is for similar national laws.

    The plurality of guns used in Chicago crimes come from Cook County.
    http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/14715658-418/chicago-gangs-dont-have-to-go-far-to-buy-guns.html


  29. waldensianspirit
    29 | January 4, 2013 12:34 pm

    Debt, debt, debt as far as the eye can see. All because of spokeholes like theoutsider


  30. 30 | January 4, 2013 12:36 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    The murder rate in Venezuela is much higher than anywhere in the US, and they have strict gun laws. What is the cause there? Why is it that in America where the gun laws are the laxest, the homicide rate is also among the lowest?


  31. pat
    31 | January 4, 2013 12:37 pm

    @ heysoos:
    One of the problems that paper is having printing the addresses is that everyone noticed that there were so many dots on the map it was purple. So the thinking is, if 70 year old Miss Jones is packing a .357 next to bed, why the hell do I have a a sawed down broomstick for the frickin animal that breaks in my house? Gun registration will go up now that people know everyone else fiqured out how to do it.
    And then there is the reporter for the very story that has a permit for a .357.


  32. 32 | January 4, 2013 12:38 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Anti-gun rights is anti-civil rights. There is no difference in advocating for gun control and advocating for school segregation.


  33. waldensianspirit
    33 | January 4, 2013 12:38 pm

    I owe nothing. We do need to get back to supplies of solid durable building stones. Theoutsider needs to pay his debt that way.


  34. 34 | January 4, 2013 12:40 pm

    @ pat:

    The cocaine that they are killing each other over can’t be grown in the Continental United States. I don’t kno wif you can cultivate opium poppies here, but I have never heard of it being done. That nice open border to the South guarantees all the drugs and all the guns that the criminal class will ever need.


  35. citizen_q
    35 | January 4, 2013 12:44 pm

    @ pat:
    Interesting article.

    They really want to tarnish those evil gun stores, who follow the law, while admitting the vast majority of the guns used by the criminals were stolen.


  36. citizen_q
    36 | January 4, 2013 12:46 pm

    pat wrote:

    And then there is the reporter for the very story that has a permit for a .357.

    Scratch a self-righteous do-gooder liberal and you will find a hypocrite.


  37. pat
    37 | January 4, 2013 12:47 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    If one assumes that murders are severely under-reported in Muslim areas(for instance the reported murder rate on the West Bank is the same as America’s. it is not clear that Turkey, Algeria, France, etc report honor killings as murder. see below.), the USA actually has a respectable murder rate by international standards.

    Most honor killings are not classified as such, are rarely prosecuted, or when prosecuted in the Muslim world, result in relatively light sentences.[3

    http://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings
    Fantastic study, BTW


  38. pat
    38 | January 4, 2013 12:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    The opium poppy is actually indigenous to CA and Mexico, where it is grown for “black tar opium”.


  39. EBL
    39 | January 4, 2013 12:51 pm

    I like Rand Paul more and more. He could be a contender one day and we would be lucky to have him.


  40. 40 | January 4, 2013 12:52 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Buzzfeed is hard Left. Notice that he totally ignores Marco Rubio, who stands a really good chance of getting the nod. To the Left, everything is viewed through a prism of race. They are, therefore, racists.

    The sad part is that I think Deval patrick will win in 2016. He’s even mofe Leftist than Obama.


  41. 41 | January 4, 2013 12:53 pm

    pat wrote:

    It is possible that a very few people in America, I mean a single digit percent of adults, realize that there are no roads to democracy in Muslim countries. Rather all lead to religious fanatics. That no Muslim country is really an ally to any Western nation. All are active enemies waiting to pounce. Some such as Saudi Arabia have paid millions to kill Westerners and US citizens in particular.

    Actually that’s not the case. Most Americans are against anymore wars or Nation Building in the Mideast. It’s Republican voters who support Nation Building.


  42. unclassifiable
    42 | January 4, 2013 12:54 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    The lib has a gun to protect himself from the gun nuts.

    I tell you, the lib mind is a dense network of mental spaghetti.


  43. 43 | January 4, 2013 12:54 pm

    @ pat:

    If you could get the black homicide rate down to the same as the white homicide rate (roughly 50% of th ehomicides in America are comitted by blacks, mostly youths, who are maybe 6% of the population), our homicide rate would resemble Europe’s. The problem is not the guns. It is the people who are using the guns. And most assuredly the problem is not rifles. Breitbart was reporting yesterday that the number of homicides comitted with rifles in th eUnited States is consistently lower thant the number comitted with hammers and other blunt objects. The gun controllers aren’t interested in the homicide rate except as far as it can be used to scare law-abiding citizens into giving up their guns. Gun controllers want gun control for the control it gives them over the population. It is a totalitarian impulse that drives it.


  44. waldensianspirit
    44 | January 4, 2013 12:55 pm

    The Obama’s need their vacation! They work so hard for all the roturiers


  45. 45 | January 4, 2013 12:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    You’re not supposed to use logic…

    He has yet to show me a quote from Rand Paul. He’s probably waiting on a response from OFA.


  46. 46 | January 4, 2013 12:55 pm

    @ pat:

    Cool. I didn’t know if you could grow it here or not. I kno wthe South American drug cartels have diversified into opium and heroin as part of their growth. We’ve lost the drug war, but you can’t get anybody to admit that.


  47. 47 | January 4, 2013 12:55 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Facts do not matter, it’s feelings.


  48. 48 | January 4, 2013 12:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    We’ve lost the drug war, but you can’t get anybody to admit that.

    Rand Paul is another one being honest on this subject.


  49. EBL
    49 | January 4, 2013 12:56 pm

    @ pat:

    Opium was used in ancient times in Asia and Europe, so claiming its origins in Mexico is incorrect. The opium poppy we most think of originated in Eurasia. There is more than one variety that produces opiate latex (which is the basis for morphine, heroin, codine, etc.), so perhaps there is a new world plant you are thinking of.


  50. 50 | January 4, 2013 12:57 pm

    EBL wrote:

    I like Rand Paul more and more. He could be a contender one day and we would be lucky to have him.

    The GOP Establishment has him marked for destruction. They will manipulate Republican voters to hate him. They will smear him as an anti-Semite and Isolationist. Meanwhile the Republican Party supports the Muslim Brotherhood. Go figure!


  51. unclassifiable
    51 | January 4, 2013 12:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Wasn’t Sun Tsu that said to avoid fighting a battle on ground favorable to the enemy?

    The drug war is fought in other people’s minds. That seems to be a pretty unfavorable battlefield.


  52. buzzsawmonkey
    52 | January 4, 2013 1:01 pm

    Rand Paul is going to have to spend a lot of time NOT sounding like his wacko daddy before I trust him on anything.

    In the meantime, his ability to look like a twinkling, elfin Irish bartender circa 1915 puts me on my guard. If he horsewhips John “Maverick” McCain, that will go far towards legitimizing him.


  53. EBL
    53 | January 4, 2013 1:02 pm

    Opium Poppies are easily obtained at your local plant store in the spring. The most common ornimental versions have a high opiate content. I have not tried to score the pods and collect the dried latex, but I suppose I could. They will grow just fine in most parts of the USA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_poppy


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    54 | January 4, 2013 1:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Facts do not matter, it’s feelings.

    Nothing more than feelings?

    I’m trying to forget my feelings of love…


  55. buzzsawmonkey
    55 | January 4, 2013 1:03 pm

    EBL wrote:

    Opium Poppies

    Opium puppies are bright red, get you high—and they fetch and play tug.


  56. Speranza
    56 | January 4, 2013 1:05 pm

    theoutsider wrote:

    I think Rand Paul is a Xerox of John McCain in 2000.

    Not even close.


  57. Speranza
    57 | January 4, 2013 1:06 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    John McCain has always been the Democrat’s favorite Republican. The Democrats loathe Rand Paul. There is virtually no point of commonality between the two.

    Now that “favorite” Republican is Chuck Hagel.


  58. buzzsawmonkey
    58 | January 4, 2013 1:06 pm

    theoutsider wrote:

    I think Rand Paul is a Xerox of John McCain in 2000.

    Your error lies in believing the first two words of the above sentence.


  59. EBL
    59 | January 4, 2013 1:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I bet you can see those Opium Puppies when taking LSD or really good mushrooms!


  60. 60 | January 4, 2013 1:08 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rand Paul is going to have to spend a lot of time NOT sounding like his wacko daddy before I trust him on anything.
    In the meantime, his ability to look like a twinkling, elfin Irish bartender circa 1915 puts me on my guard. If he horsewhips John “Maverick” McCain, that will go far towards legitimizing him.

    He’s the only Republican speaking out against Nation Building and support of the Muslim Brotherhood. It’s becoming difficult for me to support a Party that is in cahoots with Islamist. The Democrats do that already, why do we need 2 Pro Jihad parties in America. I will gladly vote for Rand Paul in the Republican primaries.


  61. 61 | January 4, 2013 1:08 pm

    @ Speranza:

    With Chris Christie as a close 2nd.


  62. buzzsawmonkey
    62 | January 4, 2013 1:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    He’s the only Republican speaking out against Nation Building and support of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Y’know what? I’ve heard a lot of “speaking out” in the last few years. I’ve heard John Boehner “speaking out” for conservative principles, and betraying them in the next breath. I’ve heard Obama “speaking out” about how much he “supports” Israel, or the middle class, or whatever—and doing the opposite before the echoes of his “speaking out” died away.

    I don’t give a shit about what Rand Paul “speaks out” about. Actions, baby. If he votes the way he yaps, I will get over my aversion to his loopy papa and acquire some trust of him, over time. If he yaps but doesn’t vote consistently with the way he yaps, he can go to hell with the rest of ‘em.


  63. heysoos
    63 | January 4, 2013 1:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    He’s the only Republican speaking out against Nation Building and support of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Y’know what? I’ve heard a lot of “speaking out” in the last few years. I’ve heard John Boehner “speaking out” for conservative principles, and betraying them in the next breath. I’ve heard Obama “speaking out” about how much he “supports” Israel, or the middle class, or whatever—and doing the opposite before the echoes of his “speaking out” died away.
    I don’t give a shit about what Rand Paul “speaks out” about. Actions, baby. If he votes the way he yaps, I will get over my aversion to his loopy papa and acquire some trust of him, over time. If he yaps but doesn’t vote consistently with the way he yaps, he can go to hell with the rest of ‘em.

    my feelings exactly…well put


  64. 64 | January 4, 2013 1:17 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Actions?

    Here educate yourself.

    Paul has threatened to block a six-month government funding bill because he wants to cut off U.S. aid to Pakistan unless the country stops “openly thwarting our objectives in the region” and releases a Pakistani doctor who helped in the search for Osama bin Laden. He urged aid to be cut to Egypt and Libya, unless those countries show “full cooperation” in bringing those to justice who stormed U.S. diplomatic facilities last week. The attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three colleagues.

    Paul told fellow senators in a letter on Tuesday that if a full cutoff in aid could not be passed, “significant cuts that are less than the full amount of foreign aid could be considered, coupled with redirecting a portion of the money into the improvement of security at our diplomatic facilities. If these countries cannot secure American lives and property, our increased cost of doing so must come out of the money set aside for aid.”

    Can you name me a Republican trying to cut off aid to Islamist?


  65. 65 | January 4, 2013 1:18 pm

    @ heysoos:

    See my link in 64. Rand Paul backs up what he says.


  66. unclassifiable
    66 | January 4, 2013 1:19 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    But you are an exception in the electorate.

    Most folks hear the yapping, vote, and then forget about it because they just gave the job to someone to handle it so they don’t have to worry about it.

    Truely if anyone was even paying attention to actions the whole “Obama is a man of the middle class” BS would have sponteneously combusted from the amount of scorn and ridicule that should have rained down on his campaign.


  67. 67 | January 4, 2013 1:19 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The Republicans talk a good game on the Second Amendment, but how many constitutionally questionable laws have they tried to repeal? Remember, the 1994 “Assault Weapons” ban was not repealed. It expired because of a sunset clause in it. I am goin got be very interested in seeing how the Republicans vote on th egun control laws that Obama is pushing. If the Republicans won’t stand up for the Second Amendment, what good are they?


  68. unclassifiable
    68 | January 4, 2013 1:22 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    As far as I am concerned they would only be good as another burnt pile of refuse on the ash heap of history.


  69. 69 | January 4, 2013 1:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I am goin got be very interested in seeing how the Republicans vote on th egun control laws that Obama is pushing. If the Republicans won’t stand up for the Second Amendment, what good are they?

    That is the only issue keeping me in the GOP. It’s the only issue keeping the Right together. If Republicans cave on Gun Control, they are done as a Party.


  70. 70 | January 4, 2013 1:23 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    As far as I am concerned they would only be good as another burnt pile of refuse on the ash heap of history.

    They are almost there.


  71. buzzsawmonkey
    71 | January 4, 2013 1:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Can you name me a Republican trying to cut off aid to Islamist?

    If Rand Paul is trying to cut off aid to the Pakis, that’s a point in his favor. If he has enraged Lindsey Graham, that, too, is a point in his favor.

    Points. Points, merely. He has earned my highly-qualified support by these actions. My support will remain highly-qualified as I wait to see, first, whether he stands by his principles, and second, whether he has any ability to persuade others.

    One of the greatest problems that Loopy Ron Paul never surmounted was that he was never once able to get his fellows in the House to agree with him. Ron Paul ranks as the World’s Most Ineffectual Congressman—and, as such a dismal failure. If Ronny’s boy Randy can actually persuade another few—preferably, several dozen—Senators to agree with him, he is someone worth backing, someone worth investing a few hopes in.

    If, however, like his papa, he ends up being The Man on the Edge of the Limb who cannot persuade anyone else to join him there, he may be an estimable man, and he may be a man on the right side of the issue and the right side of history—but he will not be the man for the job.


  72. buzzsawmonkey
    72 | January 4, 2013 1:24 pm

    Later, maybe.


  73. 73 | January 4, 2013 1:28 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Points. Points, merely. He has earned my highly-qualified support by these actions. My support will remain highly-qualified as I wait to see, first, whether he stands by his principles, and second, whether he has any ability to persuade others.

    Fair enough!

    Ron Paul ranks as the World’s Most Ineffectual Congressman

    That is the truth. He has very little influence, but the Paulians act as if he’s some formidable candidate.


  74. lobo91
    74 | January 4, 2013 1:50 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    If Rand Paul is trying to cut off aid to the Pakis, that’s a point in his favor. If he has enraged Lindsey Graham, that, too, is a point in his favor.

    One difference between the House and Senate is the fact that an individual Senator can actually put a “hold” on a bill and keep it from being acted upon, so there’s a good chance that he can actually accomplish something.


  75. lobo91
    75 | January 4, 2013 1:51 pm

    Megyn Kelly has Steve Emerson on right now, talking about the Muslim Brotherhood’s infiltration of the US.


  76. darkwords
    76 | January 4, 2013 2:06 pm

    @ 74 lobo91: I have liked Rand Paul every time I have heard him speak.


  77. The Osprey
    77 | January 4, 2013 2:08 pm

    Where’s CW?

    I’ve been admitted to a hospital here in AZ, want to talk to him
    about medical crap.


  78. citizen_q
    78 | January 4, 2013 2:11 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Where’s CW?
    I’ve been admitted to a hospital here in AZ, want to talk to him
    about medical crap.

    Best wishes, good luck.


  79. darkwords
    79 | January 4, 2013 2:12 pm

    @ 18 heysoos: Is O going to gun control black gangs? or declare them a law free zone?


  80. darkwords
    80 | January 4, 2013 2:14 pm

    @ 26 pat:
    Great point. While I am and was in favor of permanent nation building in Iraq for a century. It might be wisest to just hang out on the edge of islam and hand them the rope to hang themselves.


  81. 81 | January 4, 2013 2:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Megyn Kelly has Steve Emerson on right now, talking about the Muslim Brotherhood’s infiltration of the US.

    Saw that. Emerson has been discussing this for 20 years.


  82. darkwords
    82 | January 4, 2013 2:15 pm

    @ 12 theoutsider: Even though I disagree with you probably 95 percent of the time and castigate you a bit. I do appreciate you laying down an opinion here in this blog with a different point of view. And coming back to talk about it.
    i’ll always listen and learn.


  83. 83 | January 4, 2013 2:16 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Where’s CW?
    I’ve been admitted to a hospital here in AZ, want to talk to him
    about medical crap.

    That sucks, get better!


  84. darkwords
    84 | January 4, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ 27 heysoos: When I hear the term MSNBC Hardball I think 100 percent pure Heroin supply.


  85. darkwords
    85 | January 4, 2013 2:20 pm

    @ 55 buzzsawmonkey: Those would be a massive trillion dollar marker. Miley Cyrus would probably buy 1000 of those things at 1 mil a pop.


  86. heysoos
  87. darkwords
    87 | January 4, 2013 2:23 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Rand Paul on Israel


  88. darkwords
    88 | January 4, 2013 2:24 pm

    @ 64 Rodan: We need a SEAL raid to free that doctor.


  89. darkwords
    89 | January 4, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ 67 Iron Fist:
    One of the problems today is death by 1000 cuts. The left will be nefarious in its attempts to dilute the 2nd Amendment.

    Pass the state bird law. Pass the state gun law. I claim the phasor for Wasington St. Before Macker gets it for Michigan.


  90. darkwords
    90 | January 4, 2013 2:27 pm

    @ 69 Rodan: I think we all have to become creative voters. Lock onto a small party that appeals to your grassroots and work to get the GoP to buy your vote.


  91. darkwords
    91 | January 4, 2013 2:29 pm

    I can 4 square any thread here.


  92. citizen_q
    92 | January 4, 2013 2:32 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Dang! that is one ugly woman. Thought it was an effeminate guy till I scanned the article. New Hampshire’s answer to hellen thomas?

    Never heard of Free Staters before.


  93. darkwords
    93 | January 4, 2013 2:34 pm

    Most bacteria and virii are progressive in nature.


  94. darkwords
  95. darkwords
    95 | January 4, 2013 2:37 pm

    I do think celebrities who are against guns should put out first. Go live a lifestyle without any guns what so ever in it. then come back and sell me on the good news.


  96. darkwords
    96 | January 4, 2013 2:39 pm

    The daily mail report.

    Mom reports kids missing. Police find kid in bedroom in house under pile of garbage.


  97. 97 | January 4, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Tyranny is the ultimate end of Leftism. One of the reason you have so amny appologists for Stalin on the Left is that many of them like what Stalin did, and that especially goes for the mass starvation of class enemies. Obama would do a famine in a heartbeat if he could.


  98. heysoos
    98 | January 4, 2013 2:43 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    I can 4 square any thread here.

    I’ve cooking


  99. darkwords
    99 | January 4, 2013 2:44 pm

    She rides a motorcycle through chernobyl


  100. heysoos
    100 | January 4, 2013 2:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Tyranny is the ultimate end of Leftism. One of the reason you have so amny appologists for Stalin on the Left is that many of them like what Stalin did, and that especially goes for the mass starvation of class enemies. Obama would do a famine in a heartbeat if he could.

    my whole attitude toward liberalism has grown pretty nasty, but defying people their rights is just off the scale…they have had alot of exposure the last four years…stupidity is one thing, but malice is entirely different


  101. RIX
    101 | January 4, 2013 2:47 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Putting on my lib logic hat I can see where they will want the people who are allowed to have the guns (the police) to go get all of the guns including the ones belonging to the criminals.

    Oh, and they don’t want to live in a police state either.

    Taking off the lib hat I can see it will take a tremendous amount of persuasion to penatrate this mindset.

    Criminals by definition break the law, it’s their job description.


  102. darkwords
    102 | January 4, 2013 2:49 pm

    My favorite non conventional tweep.

    Kat ‏@katsnacks
    LOLOLOL. Peter Tips has a copycat troll. http://striplandia.blogspot.com/

    She just has a different point of view on life


  103. Da_Beerfreak
    103 | January 4, 2013 3:20 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ pat:

    Cool. I didn’t know if you could grow it here or not. I kno wthe South American drug cartels have diversified into opium and heroin as part of their growth. We’ve lost the drug war, but you can’t get anybody to admit that.

    Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    Last time the Fed Government admitted to making a mistake…


  104. 104 | January 4, 2013 3:24 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 69 Rodan: I think we all have to become creative voters. Lock onto a small party that appeals to your grassroots and work to get the GoP to buy your vote.

    Hmm, that sounds like an idea.


  105. 105 | January 4, 2013 3:24 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Tyranny is the ultimate end of Leftism. One of the reason you have so amny appologists for Stalin on the Left is that many of them like what Stalin did, and that especially goes for the mass starvation of class enemies. Obama would do a famine in a heartbeat if he could.

    Yup!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  106. 106 | January 4, 2013 3:34 pm

    pat wrote:

    It is possible that a very few people in America, I mean a single digit percent of adults, realize that there are no roads to democracy in Muslim countries. Rather all lead to religious fanatics. That no Muslim country is really an ally to any Western nation. All are active enemies waiting to pounce. Some such as Saudi Arabia have paid millions to kill Westerners and US citizens in particular.

    I figured that out a looooong time ago -- and that’s why I blog.

    It’s taking a lifetime (and not just mine) to get other people to understand this, but progress is being made, little by little.


  107. The Osprey
    107 | January 4, 2013 4:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Tyranny is the ultimate end of Leftism. One of the reason you have so amny appologists for Stalin on the Left is that many of them like what Stalin did, and that especially goes for the mass starvation of class enemies. Obama would do a famine in a heartbeat if he could.

    Obama’s Afro-Marxist soul brother Mugabe is fond of famine as a weapon as well.


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