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The Coming Gun Control Fight and Layoffs

by coldwarrior ( 160 Comments › )
Filed under Crime, Cult of Obama, Open thread, Politics, Second Amendment at January 6th, 2013 - 9:08 am

I have an idea,’ ‘to protect our children’ from the incredibly rare school shooting why not arm a teacher or two and train them. AND…move the local police and or sheriffs offices out of town hall and have them set up in the schools. Park the cruisers and unmarkeds in the school lot. It would be hard to figure out if the police were in there or not.

 

The following article is the headline at Drudge. Read it very carefully. It is full of dirty tricks, psychotic liberal mental processes, and outright lies.  I have taken the liberty to bold some of the more ridiculous examples.

 

White House weighs broad gun-control agenda in wake of Newtown shootings

The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions.

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

To sell such changes, the White House is developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association that one source said could include rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses. White House aides have also been in regular contact with advisers to New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (I), an outspoken gun-control advocate who could emerge as a powerful surrogate for the Obama administration’s agenda.

The Biden group, formed last month after the massacre at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that killed 20 children and six adults, plans to submit a package of recommendations to President Obama this month. Once Obama’s proposals are set, he plans to lead a public-relations offensive to generate popular support.

“They are very clearly committed to looking at this issue comprehensively,” said Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, who has been involved in the discussions. The proposals under consideration, he added, are “a deeper exploration than just the assault-weapons ban.”

The gun-control push is just one part of an ambitious political agenda that Obama has pledged to pursue after his decisive reelection victory in November, including comprehensive immigration reform, climate-change legislation and long-term deficit reduction. Obama also faces a reshuffling of his Cabinet, and a looming debate over the nation’s debt ceiling that will compete for his time and attention in the coming months.

Seeking expansive mandate

In addition to potential legislative proposals, Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action, according to interest-group leaders who have discussed options with Biden and key Cabinet secretaries. Possibilities include changes to federal mental-health programs and modernization of gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

“Simply coming up with one or two aspects of it really falls short of the magnitude of the gun issue in the country,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum.

Wexler was among a dozen law enforcement leaders who met with Biden and other administration leaders in the aftermath of the Dec. 14 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. The Dec. 20 summit, which stretched an hour beyond an allotted one hour, included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., Education Secretary Arne Duncan, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

Biden “wanted to talk to us about the assault-weapons ban, automatic weapons, high-capacity magazines,” said Hennepin County (Minn.) Sheriff Richard Stanek, president of the Major County Sheriffs’ Association.

The vice president said the White House group would consider a variety of proposals — from requiring background checks for all gun buyers to creating a new database that would allow the ATF to track all gun sales, according to participants.

Stanek said the meeting also included significant discussion of mental-health issues, violence in video games and movies, and the poor quality of information contained in databases used to conduct criminal background checks before issuing gun permits.

Some of the options the administration is considering may not ultimately be included in Obama’s package. A White House spokesman said Biden’s group was in the midst of its review and has made no decisions on its final recommendations.

The White House is also developing strategies to navigate the rocky and emotionally fraught terrain of gun politics once final policy decisions are made. The administration is quietly talking with a diverse array of interest groups, including religious leaders, mental-health professionals and hunters, to build as broad a coalition as possible, those involved in the discussions said.

The president is expected to face fierce opposition from the NRA and its allies in Congress, including most Republicans and some Democrats.

But Biden signaled to those involved in the policy discussions that the White House is not afraid of taking on the NRA, the nation’s largest gun rights group. At the Dec. 20 meeting, according to Stanek, when one law enforcement leader suggested focusing on only the most popular proposals, Biden responded: “Look, what I’m asking you for is your candid opinion and ideas about extreme gun violence. Leave the politics to the president. That’s our job with Congress.”

NRA officials declined a request for comment. In response to the shooting in Newtown, Wayne LaPierre, the group’s executive vice president, called for installing armed police officers in every school.

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre said at a news conference Dec. 21.

One potential strategy would be to win support for specific measures from interest groups that are normally aligned with the NRA, according to one person who works closely with the administration on gun-related issues and who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity.

For instance, this person suggested, Wal-Mart and other major gun retailers may have an incentive to support closing a loophole that allows people to bypass background checks if they purchase firearms at gun shows or through other types of private sales. That could result in more people buying guns in retail stores.

Timing is imperative

Obama’s advisers have calculated that the longer they wait, the more distance there is from the Newtown massacre and the greater the risk that the bipartisan political will to tackle gun violence will dissipate.

“This is not something that I will be putting off,” Obama said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” in an interview broadcast last Sunday.

At the White House meeting, Stanek said, “the vice president indicated that there was a very short timeline for him to get back to the president with his recommendations because the American public has a short memory.” (he is actually very correct here, most of the population has the memory of a squirrel)

Already, three weeks after the Newtown shooting, gun-control advocates are growing impatient with a legislative process that is just beginning.

“As we get involved in these ad nauseam debates over the Second Amendment, our children are still at risk,” said Jon Adler, national president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. “Debating is not the action verb we need to protect our children.”

With the start of the 113th Congress last week, several lawmakers filed bills to address gun violence. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who co-wrote a 1994 assault-weapons ban that expired in 2004, plans to introduce legislation this month that would ban the sale or manufacture of about 120 firearms, including semiautomatic rifles and military-style handguns, as well as ammunition magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds.

The expired federal assault-weapons ban prohibited the manufacturing of 19 models of semiautomatic guns classified as assault weapons, including certain rifles and shot guns. The law also banned ammunition magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. But it did not ban the sale of previously manufactured assault weapons or high-capacity magazines.

Since the law’s sunset, efforts in Congress over the past decade to reinstate the ban have faced stiff opposition from the NRA and the firearms industry and have never passed.

Adler, who has submitted recommendations to Biden’s group, said he has told administration officials that they need to pursue multiple measures to increase their chances of success.

“We can’t put all our protection-effort eggs in one basket with one piece of legislation,” he said. “We’ve got to do more than that.”

So, will the house have the fortitude to stop this nonsense? Probably not. This is the one red-line issue for me. If a politician cannot trust me to own guns, then i cannot trust him with my vote. I do have a sneaking suspicion that this debate is just a cover to take the heat off of the White House for the failure of the economy, the looming debt ceiling debate, and coming economic hardships as Obamacare and the new taxes kick in (SEE ARTICLE BELOW). He can issue Executive orders at will if he likes. Does the Congress have the guts to refuse to fund the initiatives?

 

Obama and his crew are acting like they big. They did not. They might have won the election but they did not take back the congress. His is a hollow victory. He lost in the local election. In most Congressional districts, he is a loser. The second term is where most Presidents mess it up and drive their administration into the ground.

 

Let the Layoffs Begin!!!!

 

Obamacare opponents warned that forcing companies employing 50 or more full-time workers to buy healthcare would prompt employers to slash jobs and worker hours.  And that’s exactly what’s happening, says one of President Barack Obama’s favorite economists, Mark Zandi of Moody’s Analytics.

“It will have a negative impact on job creation” this year, says Mr. Zandi.

The Obamacare employer mandate doesn’t go into effect until January 1, 2014, but the government requires businesses to track worker schedules for three to 12 months in advance.  That means many employers plan to get a jump start on avoiding Obamacare’s $2,000 per-worker fine by firing workers now, reducing employee hours, or replacing full-time employees with part-time workers.

A survey by the International Franchise Association finds that 31% of franchisees say they plan to cut staff to duck under Obamacare’s 50-employer mandate.  And another study by Mercer consulting firm found that half of businesses who don’t presently offer health insurance plan to reduce employee hours to avert triggering Obamacare’s penalties.

As Breitbart News has reported, Pennsylvania Community College of Allegheny County has already slashed the hours of 400 adjunct instructors, support staff, and part-time teachers to sidestep the Obamacare fines.  Doing so will save the already cash-strapped college an estimated $6 million. (HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA!!!!!! GOOD!)

Other Obamacare provisions, like the medical devise excise tax, have forced Stryker medical supply to cut 1,170 positions, despite the fact that the founder of the company’s grandson was among Mr. Obama’s biggest campaign donors.  Other medical device makers like Boston Scientific, Dana Holding Corp., Welch Allyn, Medtronic, Kinetic Concepts, and Smith & Nephew have similarly forecast the needs to cut hundreds of jobs each as the result of Obamcare.

The day after Mr. Obama’s reelection, a Las Vegas employer fired 22 of his 114 employees citing Obamacare regulations as the culprit.

Christine Ippolito of Compass Workforce Solutions says companies just under the 50 employee threshold now plan to hold off on hiring to avoid triggering the $2,000-per worker penalty.

Ernie Canadeo, the president of EGC Group advertising agency, agrees.  Mr. Canadeo says he had planned to hire 10 workers this year, but may wait so as not to cross the 50-worker mark.

The looming Obamacare layoffs and hiring freezes come as a Labor Department report announced today that the unemployment rate remains at 7.8% (revised up from the originally reported 7.7%).  Presently, 22.6 million Americans are either unemployed, underemployed, or marginally attached to the work force.

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  1. Bumr50
    1 | January 6, 2013 10:01 am

    Girdeth thy loins.

    Report: Obama To Push Gun Control With Crony Capitalist Tactics Used To Pass Obamacare…

    President Obama plans to ally himself with big business once again by using crony capitalist tactics to pass gun control just as he used them to pass Obamacare. In this case, Obama reportedly plans to make sure that the new gun control law benefits big businesses that sell weapons.

    “[T]he White House is developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association that one source said could include rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses,” The Washington Post reports.

    “Wal-Mart and other major gun retailers may have an incentive to support closing a loophole that allows people to bypass background checks if they purchase firearms at gun shows or through other types of private sales,” the Post explained, citing a source who works with the Obama administration on gun issues.

    Obama used the same tactic when passing his health care law, when Jim Messina (the White House deputy chief of staff, at the time, who went on to manage the 2012 presidential campaign) negotiated with the drug industry to get them to pay for pro-Obamacare television ads.

    Maybe Republicans will get to the businesses first, educate the American people with a media blitz, and head this off at the pass…

    //


  2. Buckeye Abroad
    2 | January 6, 2013 10:02 am

    Fascism American style. Considering the +300 million firearms already in private hands, it will eventually come to confiscation.

    The only silver lining I can see is that end results never turn out how people envision them and there are always unforeseen consequences.


  3. lobo91
    3 | January 6, 2013 10:19 am

    The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions.

    WTH is “high capacity ammunition”?


  4. Da_Beerfreak
    4 | January 6, 2013 10:26 am

    Our esteemed political class is in fact nothing more than a bunch of smooth talking morons that couldn’t find water even when thrown out of a boat. :evil:


  5. Bumr50
    5 | January 6, 2013 10:34 am

    How ‘social conservatives’ are fighting the GOP civil war.

    It’s been a while since I’ve read a piece that irritated me quite as much as this one did.

    ht- AT


  6. 6 | January 6, 2013 10:41 am

    @ lobo91:

    I was out grocery shopping, so you beat me to it. Kinda leaps off the page, doesn’t it? I think it means that the person doing the writing has no effing idea what he/she is talking about.

    And retailers had best be careful going down that crony capitalism road in this instance. And I think a lot of them know it. They could see their sales of firearms and related stuff evaporate overnight. Gun folks tend not to foget and not to forgive…


  7. Guggi
    7 | January 6, 2013 10:41 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Serious question:

    what alternatives would there have been with a democratic president and a democratic dominated Senate ?


  8. lobo91
    8 | January 6, 2013 10:44 am

    @ Mike C.:

    And retailers had best be careful going down that crony capitalism road in this instance. And I think a lot of them know it. They could see their sales of firearms and related stuff evaporate overnight. Gun folks tend not to foget and not to forgive…

    WalMart doesn’t even sell handguns. They do sell rifles and shotguns in most of their stores (but not all).


  9. 9 | January 6, 2013 10:45 am

    To say that Obama and his Obamanation Administration are unconstitutional to the point of TREASONOUS would genuinely be an understatement.

    Shall not be infringed.

    Posted by doriangrey1 on October 15, 2009

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    in·fringe // //
    v. in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es

    v. tr.

    To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent.
    Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.

    v. intr.
    To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an increased workload that infringed on his personal life.

    [Latin īnfringere, to destroy : in-, intensive pref.; see in-2 + frangere, to break; see bhreg- in Indo-European roots.]
    in·fring’er n.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    The progressive movement has been eroding this amendment since early on in the 20th century. Hiding their actions behind such vile and detestable terms as reasonable regulations and public safety.

    The real truth is that the founding fathers left zero wiggle room regarding the regulation of firearms ownership. They made their thoughts on the subject absolutely crystal clear.

    Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
    safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly’s reply to
    the Governor of Pennsylvania.)

    Thomas Jefferson: “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither
    inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
    better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
    may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (1764 Letter and speech from T.
    Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

    John Adams: “Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self
    defense.” (A defense of the Constitution of the US)

    George Washington: “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
    people’s liberty teeth (and) keystone… the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable… more than
    99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very
    atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes,
    we need them every hour.” (Address to 1st session of Congress)

    George Mason: “To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.” (3 Elliot,
    Debates at 380)

    Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in
    almost every country in Europe.” (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)

    George Washington: “A free people ought to be armed.” (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent
    Chronicle.)

    Thomas Jefferson: “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” (T. Jefferson papers,
    334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

    James Madison: “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of
    other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms.” (Federalist Paper #46)

    History had to be revised by a progressive controlled educational system for these facts to be so ignored and watered down as to advance the notion the founding fathers found both insane and insulting, reasonable regulation and public safety.

    Thomas Jefferson perhaps said it best.

    Thomas Jefferson: “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither
    inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
    better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
    may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (1764 Letter and speech from T.
    Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

    The second amendment is not a States Rights issue, nor does the Federal Government have any constitutional authority to regulate firearms ownership, the constitution makes this indisputably and incontrovertibly clear.

    Yet Federal administration after administration and State after State have completely and totally violated the letter of the law as spelled out in no uncertain terms in the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.

    Furthermore, the FBI has documented and for the most part hidden their results which prove beyond any doubt that populated centers where individual gun ownership and right to carry laws exist have the very lowest assault, murder, and robbery levels in the entire country.

    Federal and State gun regulations are not and never has been about providing public safety, they are and always have been about making stripping the constitutional rights away from citizens and increasing the governments control over individuals lives.

    Ponder the words of the great and famous statesman Benjamin Franklin, consider where you fall in this great divide, are you on the side of the Founding Fathers of this Great Republic, or have you sided with the Progressive Movement, (and yes that really does mean communists) who are attempting to subvert the US Constitution?

    Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
    safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly’s reply to
    the Governor of Pennsylvania.)

    Choose you this day upon whose side you are on, I pray that the words of Sameul Adams are not spoken of you.
    Sameul Adams:“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”


  10. rain of lead
    10 | January 6, 2013 10:46 am

    In Washington, DC, federal Democrats—goaded by figures in the poli-media calling for the murders of gun owners and politicians that would oppose their “common sense” statism—have pushed for a similar raft of legislation, supporting the criminalization and confiscation of the most common firearms in the United States and various accessories. The Vice President of the United States has signaled to the mayor of Boston (how historically apt) that the White House itself may attempt to circumvent Congress and attempt to outlaw these common firearms with an executive order.

    The people have responded to these threats by not merely buying up the firearms, magazines, and ammunition that might be affected by these proposed bans as they did in 1993/94 before the Clinton-era ban was pushed through, but by purchasing nearly every firearm of military utility of the past 100+ years. Ruger 10/22s and other common .22LR rifles have doubled in price when they can be found at all. Inexpensive Mosin-Nagants, originally designed in 1891 and typically found by the dozen in your average neighborhood gun shops, are nowhere to be found, and their ammunition is gone as well. U.S. citizens are preparing for war against their government by the millions. Americans aren’t “going Galt” in response to the push by would-be elites to surging statism. We’re on the cusp of going Häyhä.

    http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/what-youll-see-in-the-rebellion-a-nation-of-sarajevos/


  11. poteen
    11 | January 6, 2013 10:49 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    WTH is “high capacity ammunition”?

    I believe that designation begins at .50 BMG.//


  12. lobo91
    12 | January 6, 2013 10:51 am

    poteen wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    WTH is “high capacity ammunition”?

    I believe that designation begins at .50 BMG.//

    Another gun they want to ban, despite the fact that none has ever been used in a crime.


  13. poteen
    13 | January 6, 2013 10:51 am

    .460 Weatherby Magnum is still considered ‘small capacity’./


  14. Prebanned
    14 | January 6, 2013 10:52 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions.

    WTH is “high capacity ammunition”?

    There is no telling what kind of idiot laws they will come up with.
    I am sure they will get around to a tazer and pepper spray ban, too.


  15. 15 | January 6, 2013 10:55 am

    Prebanned wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions.
    WTH is “high capacity ammunition”?

    There is no telling what kind of idiot laws they will come up with.
    I am sure they will get around to a tazer and pepper spray ban, too.

    And after that it will be a rolled up newspaper ban…


  16. Bumr50
    16 | January 6, 2013 10:58 am

    @ Guggi:

    My disagreement with the author is not over whether or not the House should have passed the “deal,” but how she manages to somehow blame ‘fiscal conservatives,’ associates Chris Christie with the concept, and then seeks to drum them out of the party.


  17. 17 | January 6, 2013 10:59 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    How ‘social conservatives’ are fighting the GOP civil war.

    It’s been a while since I’ve read a piece that irritated me quite as much as this one did.

    ht- AT

    could you please elaborate on what is irritating to you?


  18. poteen
    19 | January 6, 2013 11:02 am

    @ lobo91:
    My old friend who died last year? His son found a brand new (unused) 20mm Japanese aircraft gun in his stuff. Worth a fortune-- if he doesn’t get arrested. Also had his WWII service weapon, a folding stock M1 Carbine with a flash suppressor. Illegal in CA. They want to make criminals out of more people. The old man was a criminal according to these clowns. A criminal with 2 Silver Stars and a basket of Purple Hearts.

    The 2nd US civil war is inevitable.


  19. Bumr50
    20 | January 6, 2013 11:04 am

    @ Kirly:

    I’ll repost my comment from over there:

    This article strives to blame the current state of the GOP on ‘fiscal conservatives,’ and fails miserably.

    Chris Christie is not, nor ever was, a ‘fiscal conservative.’

    There is no delineation in the piece as to what, or who, constitutes a ‘fiscal conservative,’ and simply goes on to smear anybody wearing that label as being akin to a ‘moderate RINO.’

    There is nothing further from the truth. Principled ‘fiscal conservatives’, of which there are many including ME, would never have supported this deal.

    I think that the author is using the concept of ‘fiscal conservatism’ as a strawman to create a drumbeat that strives to force the wrong people out of the tent.

    I could just as easily attack ‘social conservatives’ that would lay down their life for social values but hang enough pork on a stick in front of them and they root just as much as the biggest Democrat hog in the trough. But I won’t, because that doesn’t get us anywhere except fighting each other.

    NOT helpful commentary, IMHO.

    I have to go over to Grandma Santmyer’s and take care of some stuff in a few, but if you’d like to continue the discussion later I’d love to!


  20. 21 | January 6, 2013 11:10 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    BofA Freezes Licensed Gun Manufacturer’s Deposits “We Believe You Should Not Be Selling Guns On The Internet”

    I foresee a massive lawsuit in BofA’s future.


  21. 22 | January 6, 2013 11:10 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Another gun they want to ban, despite the fact that none has ever been used in a crime.

    right after sandy hook, i started hearing people say that we have got to do something about these automatic weapons. damn cnn kept saying the sandy hook murderer used an automatic. i’m certain there was no mistake in their speech -- no, it was a very deliberate misleading statement. i reminded the idiots i heard saying this that 1) sandy hook was perpetrated with a SEMI-auto only to be told that didn’t matter and 2) we don’t really have a problem with fully automatic weapons being used in crime what with registration being required for decades and the idiot actually said, well, these gangs have them as if any law would change that (if it’s true).
    i’m really angry at this whole situation. more than ever before. anyone who shows any inclination to a desire to disarm me of any weapon can go right to hell.


  22. Guggi
    23 | January 6, 2013 11:14 am

    @ Bumr50:

    thank you


  23. 24 | January 6, 2013 11:16 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    BofA Freezes Licensed Gun Manufacturer’s Deposits “We Believe You Should Not Be Selling Guns On The Internet”

    there is nothing on their website about this allegation at all.


  24. 25 | January 6, 2013 11:19 am

    @ Bumr50:
    thanks for clarifying. i just couldn’t figure out what was annoying to you. i just wanted to understand and now i do. there is a bit of a schism between the social and fiscal conservatives but i think your points about christie are correct.


  25. Da_Beerfreak
    26 | January 6, 2013 11:23 am

    @ Kirly:
    The Number One Goal of today’s fifth column treasonous media is to misinform the uninformed and to keep the uninformed…


  26. Da_Beerfreak
    27 | January 6, 2013 11:25 am

    Kirly wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    BofA Freezes Licensed Gun Manufacturer’s Deposits “We Believe You Should Not Be Selling Guns On The Internet”

    there is nothing on their website about this allegation at all.

    Whose website??


  27. RIX
    28 | January 6, 2013 11:27 am

    Obamacare opponents warned that forcing companies employing 50 or more full-time workers to buy healthcare would prompt employers to slash jobs and worker hours. And that’s exactly what’s happening, says one of President Barack Obama’s favorite economists, Mark Zandi of Moody’s Analytics.
    “It will have a negative impact on job creation” this year, says Mr. Zandi.

    Omaba & his supporters sold the ludicrous claim that health reform, which includes
    adding millions more beneficiaries will drive down costs.
    Three health insurers in California have already announced increases at 20%
    and above & it is just beginning.


  28. Bumr50
    29 | January 6, 2013 11:27 am

    @ Kirly:

    I believe in finding ways to work together.

    But perhaps there is light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe the demise of the chimerical creature known as the “fiscal conservative” is at last at hand. Remember that person? The “fiscal conservative,” also sometimes know as the Republican establishment, was the one who said we conservatives should concentrate only on the economy and then after America was once again prosperous, we could pay attention to social issues.

    I take that personally. The logical leap there is chasmic.

    Also troubling are all of the heads nodding in agreement.

    ALSO troubling is the way in which the author makes so much sense right up to that point.

    When pushed, I’d be willing to bet that she’d tell me that my beef was merely semantic in nature.

    It’s not.


  29. 30 | January 6, 2013 11:32 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    I believe in finding ways to work together.
    But perhaps there is light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe the demise of the chimerical creature known as the “fiscal conservative” is at last at hand. Remember that person? The “fiscal conservative,” also sometimes know as the Republican establishment, was the one who said we conservatives should concentrate only on the economy and then after America was once again prosperous, we could pay attention to social issues.

    I take that personally. The logical leap there is chasmic.
    Also troubling are all of the heads nodding in agreement.
    ALSO troubling is the way in which the author makes so much sense right up to that point.
    When pushed, I’d be willing to bet that she’d tell me that my beef was merely semantic in nature.
    It’s not.

    While that certainly is Rodan’s principal, I think one be would have to be delusional to call him a an establishment Republican.


  30. RIX
    31 | January 6, 2013 11:36 am

    I am sure that government health care will be very efficient./
    An example of government efficiency occurred several years ago
    when I was going through TSA Security with my daughter.
    The TSA alertly discovered a tweezers in her carry on & confiscated
    it.
    She of course purchased a new tweezers in the airport gift shop before
    boarding, which is apparently allowed.


  31. Bumr50
    32 | January 6, 2013 11:37 am

    RIX wrote:

    She of course purchased a new tweezers in the airport gift shop before
    boarding, which is apparently allowed.

    Probably at a 3000% markup.

    Stimulus!


  32. Da_Beerfreak
    33 | January 6, 2013 11:43 am

    Fear not my Fellow Americans the French are coming to rescue us…
    Renowned French economist to join Obama’s team

    Stout hemp rope, useless politician, tree. Some assembly required…


  33. 34 | January 6, 2013 11:47 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Kirly wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    BofA Freezes Licensed Gun Manufacturer’s Deposits “We Believe You Should Not Be Selling Guns On The Internet”

    there is nothing on their website about this allegation at all.

    Whose website??

    American Spirit Arms

    But, the owner does appear to have put it on facebook (don’t have to be logged in to see it).


  34. 35 | January 6, 2013 11:50 am

    @ doriangrey:
    exactly what i was thinking -- that rodan has been griping for years that we should ignore the social issues, he doesn’t care about them, and so forth. a point i disagree with since i care about America fiscally and socially.


  35. Da_Beerfreak
    36 | January 6, 2013 11:50 am

    Kirly wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Kirly wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    BofA Freezes Licensed Gun Manufacturer’s Deposits “We Believe You Should Not Be Selling Guns On The Internet”

    there is nothing on their website about this allegation at all.

    Whose website??

    American Spirit Arms

    But, the owner does appear to have put it on facebook (don’t have to be logged in to see it).

    I’m not real handy when it comes to Face Book. I found this article on Free Republic.


  36. 37 | January 6, 2013 11:51 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Fear not my Fellow Americans the French are coming to rescue us…
    Renowned French economist to join Obama’s team

    Stout hemp rope, useless politician, tree. Some assembly required…

    how weird is that? i mean, the french are doing so well financially…NOT. shouldn’t that idiot concentrate on her own pathetic country before inflicting her leftism on us?


  37. 38 | January 6, 2013 11:53 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I’m not real handy when it comes to Face Book. I found this article on Free Republic.

    the article YOU linked to, links to facebook in the first line. you don’t have to be handy, just click the link to see the alleged letter from the owner. *IF that is the owners real FB page, then ok.


  38. Da_Beerfreak
    39 | January 6, 2013 11:57 am

    We are in today’s fiscal mess because of the monies wasted on bloated social programs. One can not be fixed without addressing the problems of the other. They are two sides of the same coin (bloated government) and can not be separated.


  39. RIX
    40 | January 6, 2013 11:58 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    She of course purchased a new tweezers in the airport gift shop before
    boarding, which is apparently allowed.

    Probably at a 3000% markup.

    Stimulus!

    Obamanomics.


  40. RIX
    41 | January 6, 2013 12:04 pm

    We’re still a couple of weeks from the inauguration, but Rep. Jose Serrano (D-N.Y.) is already looking forward to 2016 and beyond. The congressman yesterday reintroduced a bill to repeal the 22nd amendment establishing term limits for the president.

    This is from Twichy, This was predictable.


  41. Alberta Oil Peon
    43 | January 6, 2013 12:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions.
    WTH is “high capacity ammunition”?

    One bullet kills at least six Indians. You used to see it all the time in the movies.


  42. 44 | January 6, 2013 12:12 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Fear not my Fellow Americans the French are coming to rescue us…
    Renowned French economist to join Obama’s team
    Stout hemp rope, useless politician, tree. Some assembly required…

    Welcome to the Stout Hemp Rope Party…


  43. RIX
    45 | January 6, 2013 12:12 pm

    EBL wrote:

    http://myfox8.com/2013/01/06/ga-mom-shoots-intruder-5-times-saves-children/

    The liberal rejoinder to this is, if that woman didn’t have the gun then
    this guy would not be injured.
    He was just trying to redistribute wealth & for his fine efforts, he got shot!


  44. Calo
    46 | January 6, 2013 12:18 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    BofA Freezes Licensed Gun Manufacturer’s Deposits “We Believe You Should Not Be Selling Guns On The Internet”
    there is nothing on their website about this allegation at all.
    Whose website??

    American Spirit Arms
    But, the owner does appear to have put it on facebook (don’t have to be logged in to see it).

    Usually a merchant sends their CC sales gathered for the day out in a batch at the end of a day to a bank for processing. The batch only includes the total purchase price on the CC number and the merchant is charged a percentage fee for each transaction amount. Then, the processing bank sends the collected CC sales to the merchant’s business bank account in a lump sum.

    So, something seems off on that FB letter to me.

    I don’t know, maybe because he was processing a 500% increase in CC sales in a relatively short time, some type of internal fraud watch was triggered.


  45. Da_Beerfreak
    47 | January 6, 2013 12:20 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    If no tree is available how about we drag ‘em behind a bull moose…

    (A well feed one to be sure… :twisted: )


  46. 48 | January 6, 2013 12:24 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    If no tree is available how about we drag ‘em behind a bull moose…
    (A well feed one to be sure… )

    Or we just do like liberals, and start naming things that didn’t used to be considered tree’s as tree’s. “That Sir, is a Basketball Hoop Tree, and that over there is a Streetlamp Tree, and that is a AM-PM Sign Tree”… :twisted:


  47. coldwarrior
    49 | January 6, 2013 12:34 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    exactly what i was thinking — that rodan has been griping for years that we should ignore the social issues, he doesn’t care about them, and so forth. a point i disagree with since i care about America fiscally and socially.

    no, neither he nor i have said ignore social issues.

    i believe in free will and that every action has consequences and in the end all these choices are judged by. lets use this example: someone wants an abortion, fine, govt doesnt pay for it, neither should govt pay for the extra human life that comes from the decision not to have an abortion. she who gets an abortion has to face the ramifications of that choice for her whole life and judgement at the end. each choice must have consequences.

    i do not need to push my religious beliefs on anyone. nor do i need my beliefs validated by codifying them into law. my priest is my spiritual adviser not my senator.

    in this physical life my goal is smaller government, incremented personal liberty, and states rights, in the spiritual world, well that isnt anyone’s business now is it.


  48. 50 | January 6, 2013 12:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    no, neither he nor i have said ignore social issues.

    i have seen and heard rodan say many times that he doesn’t care about social issues. no, i do not have a quote. it’s a common enough occurrence that i won’t bother.


  49. 51 | January 6, 2013 12:40 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    no, neither he nor i have said ignore social issues.

    i have seen and heard rodan say many times that he doesn’t care about social issues. no, i do not have a quote. it’s a common enough occurrence that i won’t bother.

    including, right to my face. in person.


  50. 52 | January 6, 2013 12:41 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    exactly what i was thinking — that rodan has been griping for years that we should ignore the social issues, he doesn’t care about them, and so forth. a point i disagree with since i care about America fiscally and socially.

    No, Rodan hasn’t suggested that we should “Ignore” social issues, just that the fiscal issues should be dealt with first and that the “Social” issues should not be done through legislation.


  51. RIX
    53 | January 6, 2013 12:44 pm

    The pre-game crew & guests on CBS are giving wet kisses to Ray Lewis.
    It’s getting creepy.


  52. coldwarrior
    54 | January 6, 2013 12:44 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    no, neither he nor i have said ignore social issues.
    i have seen and heard rodan say many times that he doesn’t care about social issues. no, i do not have a quote. it’s a common enough occurrence that i won’t bother.

    no, he and i have often stated often that social issues should be up to the states. if NY wants gay marriage, fine. i dont care.

    i talk to him daily. so i know his views well enough to know the above sentance as fact so you can stop putting words in our mouths.


  53. coldwarrior
    55 | January 6, 2013 12:47 pm

    @ Kirly:

    so instead of getting side tracked by minutia he said she said what do you think of my larger thought:

    i believe in free will and that every action has consequences and in the end all these choices are judged by. lets use this example: someone wants an abortion, fine, govt doesnt pay for it, neither should govt pay for the extra human life that comes from the decision not to have an abortion. she who gets an abortion has to face the ramifications of that choice for her whole life and judgement at the end. each choice must have consequences.

    i do not need to push my religious beliefs on anyone. nor do i need my beliefs validated by codifying them into law. my priest is my spiritual adviser not my senator.

    in this physical life my goal is smaller government, incremented personal liberty, and states rights, in the spiritual world, well that isnt anyone’s business now is it.


  54. coldwarrior
    56 | January 6, 2013 12:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The pre-game crew & guests on CBS are giving wet kisses to Ray Lewis.
    It’s getting creepy.

    i95 bias in the sporting press. it is rampant.


  55. coldwarrior
    57 | January 6, 2013 12:50 pm

    blogmocracy psa:

    peeps…this flu is serious this year.

    please wash your hands often, just soap is fine.

    we are getting hit hard at our hospital

    The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is warning the flu season appears to be bad this year -- spreading faster and earlier than usual.

    Officials with the CDC have said the South and Southeast sections of the country are getting hit hard.

    Even people who received the flu shot can still get sick, they said.

    “Number one it does take some time for the vaccine to take effect and if you are exposed to influenza a very short time after getting the vaccine you can still get infected,” Dr. Michael Jhung, CDC Medical Officer -- Flu Division, said.”

    The C.D.C. says the influenza virus people are being infected with appears to be covered by this year’s vaccine.


  56. darkwords
    58 | January 6, 2013 12:51 pm

    @ 21 doriangrey: This is also the Bank with an American flag like logo that forbade American Flags on its banking property.


  57. 59 | January 6, 2013 12:52 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    no, neither he nor i have said ignore social issues.
    i have seen and heard rodan say many times that he doesn’t care about social issues. no, i do not have a quote. it’s a common enough occurrence that i won’t bother.

    no, he and i have often stated often that social issues should be up to the states. if NY wants gay marriage, fine. i dont care.
    i talk to him daily. so i know his views well enough to know the above sentance as fact so you can stop putting words in our mouths.

    Relax dude, I have heard Rodan use those exact words, however, since I was talking to him I was able to clarify what he meant, rather than the, shall we say “animated” words he initially used.

    Rodan has a deeply felt suspicion or perhaps phobia of “Dominionists” gaining control of the United States Government and legislating their version of morality on average American citizens.

    Personally I am more concerned about Atheists, secular humanists Marxist or Muslims doing that than of Dominionists doing it, but in the end I end up sharing his concern that any religious group could gain that power.


  58. 60 | January 6, 2013 12:52 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    yeah, after you already get all insulting (stop putting words in our mouths) you want to change the subject. i am not a liar. i’ve heard him say “i don’t care about social issues” more times than i care to remember. i thought it was an incredibly stupid thing to say so it stuck with me and caused me to wonder if i should bother to post here at all every time i heard it. that sort of thing sticks with a person. as does being called, even just if it’s by implication, a liar.


  59. RIX
    61 | January 6, 2013 12:52 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    The pre-game crew & guests on CBS are giving wet kisses to Ray Lewis.
    It’s getting creepy.

    i95 bias in the sporting press. it is rampant.

    They seem not to understand their roles.
    They are still canonizing Ray Lewis.


  60. coldwarrior
    62 | January 6, 2013 12:53 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    he’s latin…he gets animated.


  61. 63 | January 6, 2013 12:55 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    so you can stop putting words in our mouths.

    your mouth? you weren’t part of the topic. how about you stop putting words in MY mouth? *I* never brought up any particular social issue but you sure seem hell bent on starting an argument on any one you can dredge up.

    at this point, i don’t give a shit about your views on anything.


  62. darkwords
    64 | January 6, 2013 12:56 pm

    @ 35 Kirly: I don’t think he is saying ignore the social issues. Just don’t write them into the national platform as an argument for all people. Socon issues are best done on a face to face handshake level where a person can be inspired by personal example. No different than being a personal witness for Christ. They will have much greater impact on society if the interaction occurs at that minute level. It is at the grassroots level where Obama is to be defeated.


  63. coldwarrior
    65 | January 6, 2013 12:58 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    yeah, after you already get all insulting (stop putting words in our mouths) you want to change the subject. i am not a liar. i’ve heard him say “i don’t care about social issues” more times than i care to remember. i thought it was an incredibly stupid thing to say so it stuck with me and caused me to wonder if i should bother to post here at all every time i heard it. that sort of thing sticks with a person. as does being called, even just if it’s by implication, a liar.

    i wasnt calling you a liar. i was clarifying what i know to be fact and what you know to be fact. i have newer relevant info on the topic. if that has upset your sensibilities i am sorry.

    as for me changing the subject, i wasnt trying to diffuse anything. i dont care if you get pissed off. i am interested in you opinion as a socon on what i typed as the larger thought.

    so here it is again:

    i believe in free will and that every action has consequences and in the end all these choices are judged by. lets use this example: someone wants an abortion, fine, govt doesnt pay for it, neither should govt pay for the extra human life that comes from the decision not to have an abortion. she who gets an abortion has to face the ramifications of that choice for her whole life and judgement at the end. each choice must have consequences.

    i do not need to push my religious beliefs on anyone. nor do i need my beliefs validated by codifying them into law. my priest is my spiritual adviser not my senator.

    in this physical life my goal is smaller government, incremented personal liberty, and states rights, in the spiritual world, well that isnt anyone’s business now is it.


  64. darkwords
    66 | January 6, 2013 12:58 pm

    Obama is applying Alinsky on a national scale to the NRA. And from I have see of the NRA they are like a Romney Election Deer in the headlights.

    The NRA needs to set up a facebook page for every sub issues out there. And one for each gun they approve. Gun owners respond to their gun make and model. Here Sir!

    Will they? Too clueless IMO. Too unable to listen to the grassroots. Was Romney’s problem also.


  65. coldwarrior
    67 | January 6, 2013 12:59 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    so you can stop putting words in our mouths.
    your mouth? you weren’t part of the topic. how about you stop putting words in MY mouth? *I* never brought up any particular social issue but you sure seem hell bent on starting an argument on any one you can dredge up.
    at this point, i don’t give a shit about your views on anything.

    that’s nice.


  66. darkwords
    68 | January 6, 2013 1:00 pm

    @ 39 Da_Beerfreak:
    I am guessing half the Obama budget is loaned out to supporters as uncollateralized loans. With a wink from Obama that he doesn’t really care if you pay him back or not. The taxbase will bear the burden.


  67. coldwarrior
    69 | January 6, 2013 1:03 pm

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    The pre-game crew & guests on CBS are giving wet kisses to Ray Lewis.
    It’s getting creepy.
    i95 bias in the sporting press. it is rampant.

    They seem not to understand their roles.
    They are still canonizing Ray Lewis.

    it is their job, canonize ray ray.

    there is a tremendous bias toward 195 teams in the national press. i have been seeing it for years as the steelers have to play the ravens usually 3 times a year.


  68. darkwords
    70 | January 6, 2013 1:03 pm

    @ 50 Kirly: I think you should read that as being about a national codified platform for the GoP. We are all evolving. :-)

    It is as coldwarriot states. Which is a good way to work to win.


  69. coldwarrior
    71 | January 6, 2013 1:04 pm

    @ darkwords:

    this is going to be quite a test for the nra, and for the gop.

    but the veep is right, americans have a real short memory, we might be able to avoid this


  70. eaglesoars
    72 | January 6, 2013 1:08 pm

    In the very first sentence

    high-capacity ammunition

    gawd these people are stupid


  71. RIX
    73 | January 6, 2013 1:10 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    It’s just hard to see why theyb think that Ray Lewis is a role model.


  72. darkwords
    74 | January 6, 2013 1:10 pm

    @ 60 Kirly: I’ve heard him say the same many times. All I can say is that people are not calling you a liar. That is your choice of terms you wish applied to you in this argument. I am saying the context of Rodan’s philosophy should be apparent over time. he does have a concern over social issues. Your job should you choose to accept it is to not be offended by the difference in interpretation and be open to clarification.

    Spock, this message will self destruct in 5 seconds should you choose to read it.


  73. 75 | January 6, 2013 1:11 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    he’s latin…he gets animated.

    Meh, indeed he is, but then again we all get “Animated” at times… :wink: :wink:


  74. Calo
    77 | January 6, 2013 1:13 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    I looked like the crazy woman in the room laughing at my computer screen at that comment about Rodan. :lol: :lol: :lol:


  75. coldwarrior
    78 | January 6, 2013 1:13 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    In the very first sentence
    high-capacity ammunition
    gawd these people are stupid

    i missed that line completely! i’ll go back and highlight it


  76. darkwords
    79 | January 6, 2013 1:14 pm

    @ 63 Kirly: We’ve posted together for years. I can see lately you’re getting uptight about a lot of posts. Take a breather. Relax. Get some football, nature, good food and/or alcohol in. Regroup and refresh and reinvigorate your thought process. We all need to do it. If we can allow The Outsider in here, then there is room for all here. Your view is needed it is just not going to be everyone’s view.


  77. RIX
    80 | January 6, 2013 1:16 pm

    Dave@D_Cardenas15
    Obama is the biggest fucking liar in the world why the fuck did I vote for him
    4 Jan 13 ReplyRetweetFavorite

    Um, let me think, you’re a %$#* idiot?


  78. darkwords
    81 | January 6, 2013 1:17 pm

    What is a transsexual national progressive? And how are they related to Wilsonian castaways?

    See Rodan is having an impact on my consciousness.


  79. coldwarrior
    82 | January 6, 2013 1:18 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    It’s just hard to see why theyb think that Ray Lewis is a role model.

    amazing.

    i will say tho, i do wish ray ray played for the steelers.


  80. coldwarrior
    83 | January 6, 2013 1:20 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    What is a transsexual national progressive? And how are they related to Wilsonian castaways?
    See Rodan is having an impact on my consciousness.

    :lol:

    he is living rent free in you head!

    :lol:

    you poor man!


  81. darkwords
    84 | January 6, 2013 1:20 pm

    @ 82 coldwarrior: I wish to think Carolina Girl in advance for the Seahawk win today. I think she either shuns the spotlight or is busy prognosticating in Vegas today.


  82. heysoos
    85 | January 6, 2013 1:21 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    It’s just hard to see why theyb think that Ray Lewis is a role model.

    amazing.
    i will say tho, i do wish ray ray played for the steelers.

    I never thought I’d see a more aggressive LB than Lawrence Taylor, but Lewis is and then some…he’s right up there with the very all time elites


  83. coldwarrior
    86 | January 6, 2013 1:22 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 82 coldwarrior: I wish to think Carolina Girl in advance for the Seahawk win today. I think she either shuns the spotlight or is busy prognosticating in Vegas today.

    ummmm…i was supposed to have a playoff thread ready to go and well, i kinda dropped the ball…


  84. coldwarrior
    87 | January 6, 2013 1:26 pm

    @ heysoos:

    ray ray stated that he always watches footage of jack ham and tries to model his play/tackling after him. this is high praise


  85. 88 | January 6, 2013 1:29 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I looked like the crazy woman in the room laughing at my computer screen at that comment about Rodan.


    Really
    … Are you suggesting that your seven cats have never seen you cackling like that before… :razz:


  86. 89 | January 6, 2013 1:30 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i kinda dropped the ball…

    Dropped the ball, or dropped back to the 20 and punted? Or just plain fumbled? Inquiring minds want to know… :razz:


  87. heysoos
    90 | January 6, 2013 1:30 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    ray ray stated that he always watches footage of jack ham and tries to model his play/tackling after him. this is high praise

    Ham, Lambert, Butkus, Nitschke and a few others were all super aggressive


  88. coldwarrior
    91 | January 6, 2013 1:32 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    i kinda dropped the ball…
    Dropped the ball, or dropped back to the 20 and punted? Or just plain fumbled? Inquiring minds want to know…

    lost the ball and cant find it is more accurate!


  89. Bumr50
    92 | January 6, 2013 1:32 pm

    N@ heysoos:

    Those guys would be penalized and fined out of the league today. Except maybe Ham.


  90. coldwarrior
    93 | January 6, 2013 1:33 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Ham, Lambert, Butkus, Nitschke and a few others were all super aggressive

    the thing with ham is that he looked aggressive, he want. he was so smart and could read the offense so well that he was always in on the play. his tackling was the closest thing to perfect one could hope for.


  91. heysoos
    94 | January 6, 2013 1:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Ham, Lambert, Butkus, Nitschke and a few others were all super aggressive
    the thing with ham is that he looked aggressive, he want. he was so smart and could read the offense so well that he was always in on the play. his tackling was the closest thing to perfect one could hope for.

    Penn States finest…maybe


  92. coldwarrior
    95 | January 6, 2013 1:37 pm

    @ heysoos:

    linebacker U


  93. coldwarrior
    96 | January 6, 2013 1:38 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Penn States finest…maybe

    yeah…i would go with that


  94. heysoos
    97 | January 6, 2013 1:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    linebacker U

    there they are…Sean Lee and Dan Conner are both with the Cowboys, both out for the year earlier…but yowza what a young tanderm they make…I mean like holy shit good…shades of Lambert/Ham I kid you not


  95. coldwarrior
    98 | January 6, 2013 1:41 pm

    @ heysoos:

    those two are gonna be great


  96. RIX
    99 | January 6, 2013 1:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    It’s just hard to see why theyb think that Ray Lewis is a role model.

    amazing.

    i will say tho, i do wish ray ray played for the steelers.

    I just don’t like the guy.
    Hey, you want Urlacher?


  97. 100 | January 6, 2013 1:43 pm

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    It’s just hard to see why theyb think that Ray Lewis is a role model.
    amazing.
    i will say tho, i do wish ray ray played for the steelers.

    I just don’t like the guy.
    Hey, you want Urlacher?


  98. heysoos
    101 | January 6, 2013 1:43 pm

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    It’s just hard to see why theyb think that Ray Lewis is a role model.
    amazing.
    i will say tho, i do wish ray ray played for the steelers.

    I just don’t like the guy.
    Hey, you want Urlacher?

    Urlacher is a New Mexico boy…a rare thing in the NFL


  99. 102 | January 6, 2013 1:51 pm

    @ RIX:

    It’ll never pass. You couldn’t get a Constitutional Amendment through the Congress right now, to say nothing of getting the requsite states to sign on. The Country is too divided.


  100. RIX
    103 | January 6, 2013 1:55 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Urlacher publicly broke bad on the local sports media &
    The fans>
    Time to move on.


  101. heysoos
    104 | January 6, 2013 1:57 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Urlacher publicly broke bad on the local sports media &
    The fans>
    Time to move on.

    I know it…he’s done anyway


  102. RIX
    105 | January 6, 2013 1:57 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    It’ll never pass. You couldn’t get a Constitutional Amendment through the Congress right now, to say nothing of getting the requsite states to sign on. The Country is too divided.

    I agree. It’s just disturbing that a member of Congress would
    submit the bill..


  103. coldwarrior
    106 | January 6, 2013 1:57 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I just don’t like the guy.
    Hey, you want Urlacher?

    ?

    is he a free agent.

    he would do great in a 3-4


  104. RIX
    107 | January 6, 2013 1:58 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Urlacher is 35, which is a young man, but not for a middle linebcacker.


  105. Da_Beerfreak
    108 | January 6, 2013 1:58 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    It’ll never pass. You couldn’t get a Constitutional Amendment through the Congress right now, to say nothing of getting the requsite states to sign on. The Country is too divided.

    Does it really mater any more?? Obama will just use its failure to pass as an excuse to ‘deem’ it into law and dare anyone to try and stop him. Mordor on the Potomac is out of control and no one seems to care.


  106. RIX
    109 | January 6, 2013 1:59 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I just don’t like the guy.
    Hey, you want Urlacher?

    ?

    is he a free agent.

    he would do great in a 3-4

    Yup.


  107. lobo91
    110 | January 6, 2013 1:59 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ darkwords:

    this is going to be quite a test for the nra, and for the gop.

    but the veep is right, americans have a real short memory, we might be able to avoid this

    All I know is that I’m signing up new members daily.


  108. coldwarrior
    111 | January 6, 2013 2:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    this is going to be quite a test for the nra, and for the gop.
    but the veep is right, americans have a real short memory, we might be able to avoid this

    All I know is that I’m signing up new members daily.

    excellent


  109. heysoos
    112 | January 6, 2013 2:01 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I just don’t like the guy.
    Hey, you want Urlacher?
    ?
    is he a free agent.
    he would do great in a 3-4

    I don’t think he’s fast enough…I think he’s healthy this season, but he’s also slowed considerably…they’d just run slants against him all day…tight ends are faster than ever now


  110. Calo
    113 | January 6, 2013 2:04 pm

    There are some real idiots in this world and they seem to all have a twitter account.

    Billy Scoggins ‏@billyscoggins

    Here’s to hoping Sarah Palin has a gun cleaning accident.


  111. Da_Beerfreak
    114 | January 6, 2013 2:09 pm

    Calo wrote:

    There are some real idiots in this world and they seem to all have a twitter account.

    Billy Scoggins ‏@billyscoggins

    Here’s to hoping Sarah Palin has a gun cleaning accident.

    My greatest fear is that the Country has been dumbed down to the point where it can’t survive.


  112. lobo91
    115 | January 6, 2013 2:10 pm

    McConnell: No Gun Control Proposals Slipping By Us Anytime Soon

    Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell federal spending and the country’s debt will dominate the congressional agenda for the next three months, and that debate about potential gun legislation in the wake of the Connecticut school shooting will take a back seat.

    The Kentucky lawmaker tells ABC’s “This Week” that lawmakers will wait to see what an Obama administration review led by Vice President Joe Biden might propose. McConnell says Congress will need to study any recommendations and then see what’s appropriate to do.

    But he says that over the coming months, nothing much beyond the country’s finances will occupy the attention of Congress.


  113. AZfederalist
    116 | January 6, 2013 2:15 pm

    Calo wrote:

    There are some real idiots in this world and they seem to all have a twitter account.

    Billy Scoggins ‏@billyscoggins

    Here’s to hoping Sarah Palin has a gun cleaning accident.

    What happened to “civil discourse”?

    Oh yeah, the dems won, those things don’t matter anymore unless a Republican or Coservative makes an inflammatory statement.


  114. brookly red
    117 | January 6, 2013 2:15 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    My greatest fear is that the Country has been dumbed down to the point where it can’t survive.

    without the gubermit running everything? Bingo!


  115. Da_Beerfreak
    118 | January 6, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Obama will us this as an excuse to bypass the ‘do nothing congress’ and release a mountain of E.O.s to screw us over.


  116. lobo91
    119 | January 6, 2013 2:20 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Obama will us this as an excuse to bypass the ‘do nothing congress’ and release a mountain of E.O.s to screw us over.

    Probably.

    Off to the range…


  117. brookly red
    120 | January 6, 2013 2:23 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Obama will us this as an excuse to bypass the ‘do nothing congress’ and release a mountain of E.O.s to screw us over.

    then this might upset you… http://twitchy.com/2013/01/05/rep-jose-serrano-reintroduces-bill-to-repeal-presidential-term-limit/


  118. heysoos
    121 | January 6, 2013 2:23 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Obama will us this as an excuse to bypass the ‘do nothing congress’ and release a mountain of E.O.s to screw us over.

    congress can reverse an EO…they just don’t…I think he misused an EO to cover up Fast and Furious and the GOP let it slide


  119. brookly red
    122 | January 6, 2013 2:27 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Obama will us this as an excuse to bypass the ‘do nothing congress’ and release a mountain of E.O.s to screw us over.

    congress can reverse an EO…they just don’t…I think he misused an EO to cover up Fast and Furious and the GOP let it slide

    as much as I enjoy aruguing with you, you sure got that one right :)


  120. heysoos
    123 | January 6, 2013 2:28 pm

    @ heysoos:
    I meant the SC can block an EO and congress with a supermajority


  121. heysoos
    124 | January 6, 2013 2:29 pm

    @ brookly red:
    regardless of the difficulty, the point is the GOP rolled over instead attacking that order with vigor…at least speak out


  122. brookly red
    125 | January 6, 2013 2:31 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    regardless of the difficulty, the point is the GOP rolled over instead attacking that order with vigor…at least speak out

    yup, they should have thrown down.


  123. Calo
    126 | January 6, 2013 2:31 pm

    @ AZfederalist:
    Apparently, civil discourse is a lost social grace.

    Billy Scoggins ‏@billyscoggins

    @eaglesdontflock I love violence. I go to Teabagger rallies and f*ck with them. @dolphincatcher


  124. Da_Beerfreak
    127 | January 6, 2013 2:31 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Obama will us this as an excuse to bypass the ‘do nothing congress’ and release a mountain of E.O.s to screw us over.

    then this might upset you… http://twitchy.com/2013/01/05/rep-jose-serrano-reintroduces-bill-to-repeal-presidential-term-limit/

    Not really. I’ve never been a supporter of term limits. It’s a ban-aid that doesn’t address the real problems of a ignorant electorate.
    Politicians must be held accountable by the electorate, not set free to ignore them. Lame Ducks are bad news waiting to happen.


  125. brookly red
    128 | January 6, 2013 2:36 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Obama will us this as an excuse to bypass the ‘do nothing congress’ and release a mountain of E.O.s to screw us over.

    then this might upset you… http://twitchy.com/2013/01/05/rep-jose-serrano-reintroduces-bill-to-repeal-presidential-term-limit/

    Not really. I’ve never been a supporter of term limits. It’s a ban-aid that doesn’t address the real problems of a ignorant electorate.
    Politicians must be held accountable by the electorate, not set free to ignore them. Lame Ducks are bad news waiting to happen.

    indeed. I just fear they are testing the water to see just how far we will let them go.


  126. Da_Beerfreak
    129 | January 6, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ brookly red:
    The D’Rats always call for the repeal of the 22th Amendment when one of their Boys is sitting in the White House; first time I heard about this movement was when Clinton was prez.


  127. brookly red
    130 | January 6, 2013 2:50 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    The D’Rats always call for the repeal of the 22th Amendment when one of their Boys is sitting in the White House; first time I heard about this movement was when Clinton was prez.

    yes but as you said were even dumber now…


  128. waldensianspirit
    131 | January 6, 2013 2:54 pm

    Yea Obama President for Life wouldn’t be a lame duck…..


  129. Da_Beerfreak
    132 | January 6, 2013 2:56 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    The D’Rats always call for the repeal of the 22th Amendment when one of their Boys is sitting in the White House; first time I heard about this movement was when Clinton was prez.

    yes but as you said were even dumber now…

    And getting even more dumber by the day… :roll:


  130. Lily
    133 | January 6, 2013 3:16 pm

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    It’s just hard to see why theyb think that Ray Lewis is a role model.
    amazing.
    i will say tho, i do wish ray ray played for the steelers.
    I just don’t like the guy.
    Hey, you want Urlacher?

    Well I can remember when there was a great dislike for Ray Lewis. So I don’t think you are alone in your dislike at all. All the love for him today is because he is retiring after this season.


  131. Lily
    134 | January 6, 2013 3:16 pm

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    It’s just hard to see why theyb think that Ray Lewis is a role model.
    amazing.
    i will say tho, i do wish ray ray played for the steelers.
    I just don’t like the guy.
    Hey, you want Urlacher?

    Well I can remember when there was a great dislike for Ray Lewis. So I don’t think you are alone in your dislike at all. All the love for him today is because he is retiring after this season.


  132. Lily
    135 | January 6, 2013 3:17 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    It’ll never pass. You couldn’t get a Constitutional Amendment through the Congress right now, to say nothing of getting the requsite states to sign on. The Country is too divided.

    Isn’t that the truth! This country is extremely divided! You said a mouthful there.


  133. RIX
    136 | January 6, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ Lily:

    Well I can remember when there was a great dislike for Ray Lewis. So I don’t think you are alone in your dislike at all. All the love for him today is because he is retiring after this season

    .

    That’s it. How are you today?


  134. Lily
    137 | January 6, 2013 3:19 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ RIX:
    It’ll never pass. You couldn’t get a Constitutional Amendment through the Congress right now, to say nothing of getting the requsite states to sign on. The Country is too divided.
    Does it really mater any more?? Obama will just use its failure to pass as an excuse to ‘deem’ it into law and dare anyone to try and stop him. Mordor on the Potomac is out of control and no one seems to care.

    This is what puzzles me. Really it does. obama is out of control and no one in D.C. seems to care in the least bit. It amazes me!


  135. Lily
    138 | January 6, 2013 3:21 pm

    Calo wrote:

    There are some real idiots in this world and they seem to all have a twitter account.
    Billy Scoggins ‏@billyscoggins
    Here’s to hoping Sarah Palin has a gun cleaning accident.

    Yes there it does seem like being an idiot is catchy now doesn’t it? As my oldest son says the United States has a stupid and idiot problem. I have to agree.


  136. RIX
    139 | January 6, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yes there it does seem like being an idiot is catchy now doesn’t it? As my oldest son says the United States has a stupid and idiot problem. I have to agree

    .

    The educational system, including universities no longer
    teach critical thinking skills.
    More yoots are concerned about the gender of Kim & Kanyes
    baby than the economy.


  137. Lily
    140 | January 6, 2013 3:26 pm

    @ RIX:

    Hanging in there and a bit sore still. If I get too cranky I’ll just sign off! I still have my cranky moments. ;)
    How are you do Rix? Hopefully good!


  138. brookly red
    141 | January 6, 2013 3:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    This is what puzzles me. Really it does. obama is out of control and no one in D.C. seems to care in the least bit. It amazes me!

    I guess if your not part of the solution…


  139. coldwarrior
    142 | January 6, 2013 3:30 pm

    new thread…


  140. Lily
    143 | January 6, 2013 3:30 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yes there it does seem like being an idiot is catchy now doesn’t it? As my oldest son says the United States has a stupid and idiot problem. I have to agree
    .
    The educational system, including universities no longer
    teach critical thinking skills.
    More yoots are concerned about the gender of Kim & Kanyes
    baby than the economy.

    True. But I am also seeing this in older people too who should know better. I don’t know what their excuse is. Not to mention the propaganda people are getting through their TV’s and no matter how outlandish they get with their propaganda these people believe it! I swear there must be something in the water!


  141. RIX
    144 | January 6, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ Lily:
    I’m doing well & I am glad that you are hanging in there.


  142. Lily
    145 | January 6, 2013 3:34 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    This is what puzzles me. Really it does. obama is out of control and no one in D.C. seems to care in the least bit. It amazes me!
    I guess if your not part of the solution…

    ???????????

    What does that mean? I’m not part of the solution? So I guess somehow this is somehow my fault in someway? Really??


  143. Calo
    146 | January 6, 2013 3:35 pm

    {{{LILY}}}

    Happy Sunday to you on a glorious afternoon.


  144. Lily
    147 | January 6, 2013 3:35 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yeah I doing okay Rix! Could be a lot worse huh? Each week I get better and better. :)


  145. brookly red
    148 | January 6, 2013 3:35 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The educational system, including universities no longer
    teach critical thinking skills.
    More yoots are concerned about the gender of Kim & Kanyes
    baby than the economy.

    Great story: today I was talking to a woman in the hood who was coming back from doing a part time housekeeping gig for a local college prof. She said “it’s so sad he’s 80 and still has to work to support his 2 worthless sons and their families” and I said he’s still a commie right? and she said “yes you should see he has all the books and everything” so I said yeah too bad he didn’t teach his own kids how to be self reliant, huh?

    what goes around comes around.


  146. RIX
    149 | January 6, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ Lily:

    True. But I am also seeing this in older people too who should know better. I don’t know what their excuse is. Not to mention the propaganda people are getting through their TV’s and no matter how outlandish they get with their propaganda these people believe it! I swear there must be something in the water!

    Think about it, Obama convinces people that Obama Care will
    actually save money. Surprise, costs are already going up.
    Fast & Furious? Benghazi? Hey, who cares, they’re watching
    Honey Boo Boo.


  147. brookly red
    150 | January 6, 2013 3:37 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    This is what puzzles me. Really it does. obama is out of control and no one in D.C. seems to care in the least bit. It amazes me!
    I guess if your not part of the solution…

    ???????????

    What does that mean? I’m not part of the solution? So I guess somehow this is somehow my fault in someway? Really??

    NO NO They in Washington are the problem if they are not resisting they are in on it…


  148. RIX
    151 | January 6, 2013 3:37 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Yeah I doing okay Rix! Could be a lot worse huh? Each week I get better and better.

    Hang in, soon it will all be good.


  149. Lily
    152 | January 6, 2013 3:38 pm

    @ Calo:

    Hey {{{Calo}}}!!

    /bet you are glad the Texan’s came out of their funk yesterday! Was thinking about you while watching the game! I am still hanging out on the couch and recouping! ;)


  150. RIX
    153 | January 6, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Great story: today I was talking to a woman in the hood who was coming back from doing a part time housekeeping gig for a local college prof. She said “it’s so sad he’s 80 and still has to work to support his 2 worthless sons and their families” and I said he’s still a commie right? and she said “yes you should see he has all the books and everything” so I said yeah too bad he didn’t teach his own kids how to be self reliant, huh?

    what goes around comes around.

    University types never learn. They are like puppies.
    You want them to stop chewing, but they want to chew.


  151. Lily
    154 | January 6, 2013 3:41 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    This is what puzzles me. Really it does. obama is out of control and no one in D.C. seems to care in the least bit. It amazes me!
    I guess if your not part of the solution…
    ???????????
    What does that mean? I’m not part of the solution? So I guess somehow this is somehow my fault in someway? Really??
    NO NO They in Washington are the problem if they are not resisting they are in on it…

    Oh okay…I have to agree with you there! Are there no patriots left? What the hell are they doing in D.C.??? Quivering in fear of obama??? If that is so…why in the hell are they so afraid?? What is getting me pissed off each and every day is no one and I mean no one in D.C. is doing or saying anything about what obama is doing…what the hell is wrong with them?????


  152. Lily
    155 | January 6, 2013 3:44 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    True. But I am also seeing this in older people too who should know better. I don’t know what their excuse is. Not to mention the propaganda people are getting through their TV’s and no matter how outlandish they get with their propaganda these people believe it! I swear there must be something in the water!
    Think about it, Obama convinces people that Obama Care will
    actually save money. Surprise, costs are already going up.
    Fast & Furious? Benghazi? Hey, who cares, they’re watching
    Honey Boo Boo.

    I know! What the hell is wrong with people??? It amazes me..it really does. Especially the excuses they make for obama over Benghazi! Plus they know so little about Benghazi it is disgusting and when you call them on it you know what they have to say about it? “No one can know what went on.” Oh really?


  153. Lily
    156 | January 6, 2013 3:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Yeah I doing okay Rix! Could be a lot worse huh? Each week I get better and better.
    Hang in, soon it will all be good.

    Looking forward to that day! I’ve been sick for so long and not knowing what was going on…even a little extra energy is going to be a great bonus to me! Doc’s said that what was wrong with me didn’t happen over-night..I’ve been sick for a while. Suddenly it makes a lot sense. I also need to get my bones under control too.


  154. RIX
    157 | January 6, 2013 4:11 pm

    @ Lily:
    I am confident that you will make a total recovery!


  155. RIX
    158 | January 6, 2013 4:17 pm

    @ Lily:
    About Benghazi, people buy the ‘Fog of War” excuse, or we didn’t have assets
    available.
    Yet they see no contradiction when Obama says that we have assets in the
    region to support the Syrian rebels if we choose to.


  156. 159 | January 6, 2013 5:51 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ RIX:

    Which is why I may continue to call the Baltimore team the “Ray Lewises” even after the guy retires.


  157. Buckeye Abroad
    160 | January 6, 2013 7:07 pm

    @ brookly red:

    and I said he’s still a commie right? and she said “yes you should see he has all the books and everything” so I said yeah too bad he didn’t teach his own kids how to be self reliant, huh?

    what goes around comes around.

    Apparently the tenured prof didn’t read the right books. I always noticed the most adamant socialists tend to be the privileged children of money. che guevara comes to mind. I know a few in the US and Europe. The lowly public school teacher in Dublin, who lives in the most posh district and inherited his fathers wealth. Hypocrites.


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