Puerto Rican Marxist NY Congressman Jose Serrano shows his totalitarian colors. He has introduced a bill into Congress calling for a repeal of the 22nd Amendment which would do away with Presidential term limits and allow Obama to potentially be President for life. Back in 2008 even before Obama was sworn in, Serrano also made noises about repealing the 22nd amendment, apparently he views Obama as a “Presidente Vitalicio” (Permanent President) type of Banana Republic politician.
United States Democratic New York Rep. Jose Serrano, on Friday, introduced a bill in Congress that would repeal the Constitution’s 22nd Amendment – allowing a United States president to serve only two terms – according to the Daily Caller and other media outlets.
The Jan. 2011 bill, House Judiciary Res. 15, introduced by Rep. Serrano which has now been reintroduced a year later states:
… an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.
Serrano’s inspiration for introducing this bill is not necessarily President Barack Obama, as the congressman has now introduced the bill for an eighth time through the years. Serrano proposed such bills during President Clinton’s term in 1997 and 1999, and during President George W. Bush’s terms in 2001, 2003, 2005, and 2007, as well. He has long believed that a president should not be limited to just two terms in the Oval Office.
None of the bills ever made it to the floor of Congress.
Obama would probably win a 3rd term in 2016 regardless of our economic status. The Media-Entertainment Industrial complex has his back. Conservatives/Libertarians should not dismiss Serrano’s bill. Obama is a cult figure and Millions of Americans would do as he says.
Tags: Jose Serrano
I believe Serrano introduces this bill at the start of every new Congress. Because it gets him noticed for one day every two years.
@ Carolina Girl:
He has introduced this idiocy each and every year he has been in Congress, which as I believe dates back to the days of Don Clintonleone. so far, it has never made it past committee, and I would expect this year to have no deviation from that.
That being said, I have heard a lot of folks making this same scary thought audible during the last couple of years. There are a scary number of people who view Obama not as a blight upon our nation, but as some sort of messianic figure. Thank God amending the Constitution is a very difficult thing to do.
@ Flyovercountry:
And now it’s time to amend it again -- to get rid of those lifers in Congress. If nothing else, it’s time to defund any retirement or health care benefits -- serving in Congress was not intended to be a goddamned CAREER.
I’ve always felt that serving in congress should be as least as distasteful as jury duty.
@ Flyovercountry:
@ Carolina Girl:
This time it’s different. Many Progressives want Obama to be President for life.
that’s it…I’m revolting
Carolina Girl wrote:
I agree. Look at Mitch McConnell. He’s useless and can barely make a coherent sentence. He should be retired somewhere drinking a Mai Tai.
Mars wrote:
I agree, they should not get all the goodies they do.
Term limits are a band-aid, they don’t address the real problem of an ignorant electorate. Politicians have to be made more accountable to the electorate, not set free by term limits to ignore the electorate. Lame Ducks are bad news waiting to happen.
@ Rodan:
We have term limits here in California -- they keep trying to re-do the law every 8 years or so to “reset” themselves. I think the last time they tried this was either 2004 or 2006 (I imagine Dorian knows the exact year) because both leaders of California’s bi-cameral legislature were about to be term-limited out. So they came up with a whole NEW set of guidelines for term limits; oh, and it negated any term limits that came before. The people of California roundly rejected it.
Which always leads to the legislative equivalent of a size 16 woman trying to squeeze herself into a size 6 dress -- our Senate is, I believe, one-third the size of our Assembly and watching all those Assembly worms try to get themselves elected to the Senate is always a charming study. Those that can’t get themselves appointed by the Governor to a cushy post, that is.
OT Turkey penalizes all comments on its economy:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-04/socgen-ceases-commentary-on-turkey-as-markets-law-threatens-jail.html
Oh and it looks like Matt Damon’s anti-fracking, Saudi-funded preachy piece of crap is a total failure at the box office. $5 million opening weekend.
Hope everyone worked for scale…..
@ yenta-fada:
Erdogan working furiously at erasing the secular aspects of Turkey and eradicating free speech:
“But losing one’s job is really peanuts compared to losing one’s freedom, especially when considering the long detention periods in Turkey: It is widely reported that there are more people awaiting a verdict in the country’s prisons than those who have been convicted and serving their sentences.”
Carolina Girl wrote:
A reviewer here said that the film was so Cheesy it might have been funded by Velveeta.
@ Carolina Girl:
They always find a loophole.
@ yenta-fada:
Erdogan thinks he’s Suleiman the Magnificent reborn
heysoos wrote:
I agree.
Courtesy of the NRA, here is a list of those who would infringe our 2nd amendment rights.
David Frum calling for more taxes.
Flyovercountry wrote:
Right now amending the Constitution is an impossible thing to do. You’d never be able to get the requsite votes in either Chamber, let alone getting the requsite States to sign on. America is too divided to do anything like that. Which is why every once and a while some idiot floats the idea of a Constitutional convention. The Left would purely love that. You couldn’t get any of the current Bill of Rights through a Constitutional Convention if its members were anything representative of the population.
Iron Fist wrote:
I’m one of those ‘idiots’. I believe that a Constitutional Convention is the last chance we have to save the Country. By the way, anything passed by a Constitutional Convention has to be approved be 3/4 of the States, just like any other proposed Amendment.
seems it’s much easier to simply abuse the constitution than change it
Inflation is messing with your coffee combos.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/06/19/noticed-that-your-coffee-tastes-funny-heres-why/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter
@ Da_Beerfreak:
So am I.
@ yenta-fada:
that’s why i only buy whole beans from a trusted vendor
since i dont drink a lot of coffee its doable. if i drank alot of coffee, well…it would be the 3 lb can of crapola
coldwarrior wrote:
No good coffee, No peace! /
@ yenta-fada:
I just bought a can of Chock-Full-Of-Nuts this past week, and it tastes pretty much like it did yeas ago. All in all good stuff. With coffee, the bean is not nearly so important as how finely ground it is. I have no problems with businesses doing what they have to in order to manage themselves. The price system will tell them whether their decisions are the right ones or the wrong ones to make. The government’s purposeful devaluation of our currency however, that’s another topic entirely.
I have more things in my kitchen and basement workshop that can kill or maim a person than in my gun locker. Some people just don’t ‘get it’.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
I don’t think you’re an idiot, but I do think a Constitutional Convention, particularly now, would be catastrophic. We’re tenuously clinging to what’s left of our constitution as it is, throwing it all open for re-drafting would hasten the death of a Republic that’s already poor health.
Of course, as long as we have idiots like this in Congress, it really doesn’t matter what the Constitution says, anyway:
This part is amusing:
If we actually did that, federal spending would be reduced by about 75%. And along with it, the number of Democrat voters, which is why it’s never going to happen.
NYT this weekend; The Blessings of Atheism. *eyeroll*
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/opinion/sunday/the-blessings-of-atheism.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1&
@ MacDuff:
The Progressives with help from the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex would make sure they get the Constitution they want. I can see them making Obama a king.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
That reminds me of when G. Gordon Liddy told Joh Dean that he could kill him with a pencil. The Rwanda genocide was carried out primarily with machetes. No, they don’t “get it”.
@ lobo91:
The U.S. has no intention of ever paying off the National Debt. That’s what “Quantitative Easing” is all about. Money Printing to infinity. Money junkies are in charge of the government and the ‘too big to fail’ financial institutions that receive government bailouts.
Rodan wrote:
And how would they get it ratified by 38 states?
@ lobo91:
and i propose all doctors should post their infection rates, number of lawsuits placed against them, and the percentage of medicare patients they have.
@ yenta-fada:
If Obama does actually attempt to use that bogus 14th Amendment strategy to get around raising the debt ceiling, there had better be articles of impeachment filed in the House the next day.
@ Flyovercountry:
That whole thing about “hedonic pricing” during the Greenspan years is still going on. Obviously you cannot substitute for the necessities of life by giving it a catch phrase. The necessities have and will go up. U.S. and Canada don’t grow coffee and it IS a necessity.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
suckaz!
coldwarrior wrote:
If these people were honest, they’d notice that the rate of both firearms accidents and homicides using firearms has been steadily declining for decades.
In the case of accidents, it’s largely due to educational programs sponsored by the NRA, which is why they’ll never mention it.
Rodan wrote:
Ya got dat right! Several of them have been publicly longing for at least “a temporary” dictatorship and Oliver Stone has a show on “American history” that’s nothing more than Stalin porn. The very thought of it makes my blood run cold.
lobo91 wrote:
Quantitative easing to infinity is what was established at the last Fed meeting. All they are doing is buying toxic assets (derivatives) and U.S. Treasuries that nobody else will buy. I think good coffee and good tea are ‘money’. They are valuable commodities and bricks of tea have been traded as money in other parts of the world.
Rodan wrote:
Tap tap. Did you just take Obama’s name in vain?
MacDuff wrote:
This is still the United States of America,
not the United States of Washington DC.
Washington DC is out of control and the States are the only ones with enough power to change Washington DC. Without real change the Republic is doomed. More of the same is not only a dead end street it’s a recipe for disaster.
My faith is in the People and the States, not the fools in Washington DC that have created this mess.
@ lobo91:
Their reasoning leads me to conclude they have been habitually sniffing glue.
Did not read the article, but did they also argue for rounding up mental defectives likes those with Ashbergers Syndrome, kids medicated with ritalin, or adults taking prescribed anti-depressants?
or is their entire premise based on a scheme that would impact only the law abiding gun owners? You know the ones who don’t commit the gun violence they say they are trying to stop?
@ lobo91:
i saw an interesting study that correlated reduced lead levels in the environment (no more leaded gas) with lower violent crime rate. it was interesting, but i didnt dig into it, so i dont know how valid it was
I think that Soetoro is nominating Hagel simply to give all the “right people” (in his book) the middle finger. Period.
@ citizen_q:
Don’t waste your time reading it, since you already know the answer.
@ lobo91:
be honest and lose their grant money????
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
coldwarrior wrote:
Doesn’t seem to be the case in the big cities, though, which leads me to believe that it’s not correct.
Bumr50 wrote:
Every time I see a burkha or hijab, I see the middle finger of Islam to the West.
Bumr50 wrote:
o can do this to israel/jews because he can extrapolate on james baker 3′s comment about NE liberal jews: ‘fucke em, they dont vote for us anyway’ and make it say ‘fuck ‘em. they dont dare vote for anyone but dems anyway’
coldwarrior wrote:
If we had a real free market medical system with real consumer choice that would be an important part of it. The same listing of information would also apply to hospitals and clinics.
lobo91 wrote:
here’s the paper
like i said, havent had a chance to really dig into it
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
the info is out there, its just a pain in the butt to find it
@ lobo91:
With the help of the media which would turn public opinion in support of Obama. I don’t see it happening, but you never know!
coldwarrior wrote:
Most Jews will not leave the Democrat/Liberal plantation. It’s a legacy from earlier generations and more of an article of faith than religious ties. North American Christians don’t pay attention to Christian loss of life and liberties in other parts of the world when Islam is involved. Filtered realities.
Rodan wrote:
Any amendments would have to be ratified by the state legislatures. It’s not done by a referendum.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Honestly, my faith in the American people’s judgement has taken a severe hit of late -- we seem to be having “an episode” of sorts.
@ coldwarrior:
In their world Hagel and Obama are their friends. Rand Paul is an anti-Semite. Very twisted logic.
@ coldwarrior:
I know it’s out there, but few even have a faint clue as to know where to begin looking for it.
@ lobo91:
I know it will not happened. Just if these clowns could, they would.
@ MacDuff:
Too true, some people really have stopped thinking…
@ Rodan:
I see no other way to change anything. Congress is completely dysfunctional at this point, so that avenue is out.
If we don’t get something that will force them to balance the budget, we’re finished.
@ yenta-fada:
OMG, you hit a home run right there. That is why I get pissed when these Republican politician claim they are defending Christian values. Then they are calling for US intervention to assist Islamists who kill Christians. It’s a very hypocritical.
@ yenta-fada:
yep, almost no christians left in iraq…most of them were driven out or killed under bush’s watch. so much for his ‘christian’ cred. i expect this sort of crap under obama, but no under a professed ‘christian’
@ lobo91:
Every Great Power collapsed due to fiscal irresponsibility and debt. Rather than make the hard choices, they all just devalued their currency. Didn’t work out very well for them.
The only way to stop the fools in DC Town from abusing us with their power is to take that power away from them. There are not a lot of legal ways of doing that.
coldwarrior wrote:
GMTA see my 66! Look at Lindsey Graham. He claims to defend Christian values but supports the Muslim Brotherhood.
@ Rodan:
http://www.christiansofiraq.com/index.html
with everything linked form 2005 onward
@ Rodan:
Just the secular reformers, though.
Sort of like the Knights of Columbus.
//
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
it’s apathy…people are just burned out from the bullshit fed to us by the govt…I have zero respect or the feds and expect to get screwed, always have
Urgh…Beckel is now claiming that the woman in Georgia who shot the guy who was coming after her and her kids was some sort of isolated incident.
@ heysoos:
I sure the FedGov will end up killing a lot of people before things get better…
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
I think that’s the point of Obamacare…
lobo91 wrote:
probably is for him…he does not get out much….that stuff is all over the net every day if you look for it….it’s like he’s saying, “I’m an idiot”
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
of course…one thing the feds are good at is ruining lives and getting people killed for no good reason
How long before Beckel mentions that he played football?
He always works it in. It’s like Kerry & Viet Nam.
I read a blurb two hours ago….near SF some guy shot 3 intruders, killed one and he himself was shot…he was protecting a house full of kids having a sleep over
Friggin Beckel just mentioned that the Constitution was written by a bunch Slave owning White men”
I guess to him that makes the document illegitimate.
heysoos wrote:
The people and our representatives are faithless, as today’s first post by flyovercountry eloquently stated. We could argue the ultimate source of the faithlessness, but the underlying fact is pretty inarguable.
lobo91 wrote:
Can’t allow anything to interfere with the Party Line Komrade. Next Official Story will be about all the law abiding citizens using legally obtained firearms to commit mass murder in public places…
@ lobo91:
It’s the only way it can reduce costs…
lobo91 wrote:
Incidents that happen to YOU are never “isolated”, are they?
liberals are fascinating….the see reason where there is utterly no logic…they hurt people and call it compassion…they are hyper infatuated with other people’s behaviors and habits….they are masters of self hypnosis…they can see things that are not there blah blah
@ lobo91:
Who was the Obama admin guy who called them secular reformers? I forgot the jerk’s name?
Late post.
I always thought term limits were unnecessary anyway. It makes for even lazier uninformed voters (if that is even possible).
Now if Obama wants to negotiate specific drastic spending cuts for getting the 22nd Amendment repealed, well maybe something could be worked out.
And starting with those pension and insurance for life arrangements for congress and the executive office would be a damn fine start.
RIX wrote:
I’m sure he believes that. It’s pretty standard thought on the left.
lobo91 wrote:
That’s an isolated incident, but the Newton shooting is a daily occurrence. These guys are such hypocrites.`
@ lobo91:
He does believe that. It’s the central core of The Progressive ideology.
unclassifiable wrote:
No way. I’d rather lose the Republic to financial ruin than to tyranny.
Rodan wrote:
James Clapper, the DNI.
@ Rodan:
Well you heard that nincompoop’s statement to McConnell -- “spending is not the problem -- the cost of health care is the problem, and I’ve fixed that.”
Stupid beyond words.
Brothers & Sisters a surging Crimson Tide from Toscaloosa has blown into
Miami like a Tsunami. They await their foe.
a mighty wind of rage has blown out of South Bend crossing the Great Lake
Michigan, through the Smokey Moutains, rushing along the Atlanic Coast to
engage their enemy in Miami.
Verily I say to thee that the battle will tonight be joined.
The ghosts of Rockne, Gipp & Leahy will be in support.
The Irish will prevai! Can I ger an Amen!
MacDuff wrote:
My problem is that both could happen.
Getting rid of term limits does not mean we are gettting rid of elections.
They constantly attack the Constitution now.
first create a crisis where there is none,…
second invent a mandate to fit the crisis….
dial up the fear factor to maximum…
then willfully lie to advance the fake mandate to deal with the phony crisis…
spend precious millions on payola…
have the media go full court press…
voila!….mission accomplished
EXCLUSIVE -- DERSHOWITZ: ‘I WILL TESTIFY AGAINST HAGEL’ ON IRAN
Dershowitz may be one of the last honest liberals who don’t seek their souls to whoever is in the White House.
Sorry -- Boehner, not McConnell.
@ Carolina Girl:
I did a Headline on that.
@ RIX:
AMEN!
@ RIX:
And those of us who support it:
@ MacDuff:
This is true. If he had a do-over, I don’t think Dersh would have involved himself with OJ’s case -- especially after the fact that that monster DID own a pair of those “ugly ass shoes.” Dersh was on retainer if they were going to need an appeal. They didn’t so he was outa there. He would not get involved in OJ’s appeal of the civil verdict.
@ MacDuff:
You are rightous!
@ Rodan:
These “hit and run” visits of mine are going to destroy my reputation, you know?
lobo91 wrote:
@ RIX:
My comment, the lefties are pretty nuts.
RIX wrote:
WITNESS! AMEN!!!
ND TO COVER THE SPREAD!
@ lobo91:
I saw that over at ZIP. So I had no idea that John
Wilkes Booth killed Lincoln over out of control spending, creeping socialism and stealth taxation.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Yup. And he was clearly a Republican, too.
RIX wrote:
@ lobo91:
my dad now has a ak in the garage. he got it 2 years ago as the population of coyotes has exploded in NW PA. sure, these guns are damn well for hunting purposes!
@ Carolina Girl:
And all these years I mistakenly believed that Booth was just pissed at Lincoln for winning the war. Learn something new every day…
@ lobo91:
“start taking them”….that’s my favorite part, but I’m sure it’s well thought out…the bangers will roll over, right?
coldwarrior wrote:
The only kind of hunting most of these types have ever heard of is deer or ducks. They have no clue that people hunt other things that sometimes do require semi-autos. Prairie dogs come to mind.
Carolina Girl wrote:
And of course according to a husband-wife team here, the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery.
Rodan wrote:
Tax Frum!
Flyovercountry wrote:
That’s why all these right-to-lifers are blowing smoke if they think there is going to be a “human life” amendment to the constitution.
@ Speranza:
It wasn’t about slavery, it was about taxes and spending. The South was tired of getting screwed over by the North when it came to who was getting the tax monies to spend.
I have this hunch that an epic, nationwide gun grab will result in more deaths by gunfire than the rest of our entire history
Speranza wrote:
The main reason there won’t is because it’s big business:
heysoos wrote:
That would be Civil War II.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
I’ll raise my own regiment!
heysoos wrote:
It would, but there’s no way to successfully accomplish one, anyway.
Most people have no idea just how big this country really is, or how much of it’s basically uninhabited.
Lots of room for holes…
@ MacDuff:
Should be a great game tonight, two really good teams,
As I recall, Rockne looked just like Pat O’Brien and the
Hopper like Regan.
heysoos wrote:
I’m an Army of One. I won’t last long, but I will take a few of the bastards to Hell with me…
lobo91 wrote:
couple of days ago I stopped into my little neighborhood gun shop…there were 2 AR’s and plenty of pistols and shotguns, altho they were low on most popular ammo….I wonder why that is?…I suggest NM is pretty well gunned up already
@ heysoos:
People aren’t buying all that stuff so they can give it to the government…
@ lobo91:
@ heysoos:
Folks are digging in…
Carolina Girl wrote:
@ coldwarrior:
I agree, ND should cover the spread.
But if their young quarterback doesn’t freak, I think that they will win
outright.
Alabama is a great team, but Notre Dame just knows how to win.
It can’t all be luck.
Matnti Teo will be in a zone.
@ Speranza:
According to historical records, Lincoln was a Republican and Booth was a Democrat.
@ RIX:
vegas has bama by 9.5…
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
The South was Democrat and the North was Republican. Nuff said.
coldwarrior wrote:
Heathens
Hmm…”E@ Speranza:
We don’t think of it as much today, but at that time of the War of Northern Aggression (sorry, guys, I just could not resist), being a citizen of a given state was as important if not more important than the fact that you were a citizen of the United States. Nowadays, we don’t see our state citizenship as being nearly on the same level as our U.S. Citizen. People forget that Robert E. Lee was a top graduate at West Point and Lincoln would have turned the Union Army over to him, except that Lee politely advised him that since his “country” of Virginia had seceded, he would not lift the sword against her.
Listen to this North Carolina police officer on a call-in radio show tell how he’s seeing the Feds partnering w/LEOs to train them to take down the American people.
N.C. Police Lieutenant warns of Martial Law in Early 2013
@ Rodan:
If only it were that simple.
Rodan wrote:
Still a lot of racism in the Democrat Party.
They only like obedient Blacks, not those
uppity Republican Blacks. They just don’t know
their place & who butters their bread.
@ Carolina Girl:
That was back when Federalism and States Rights was taken very seriously.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
I’d write more, but you know how people get discussing the Civil War around here. We are both better off letting this go!
@ RIX:
It’s the Demon-KKK-Rat Party. The sad part is there has been a huge infiltration of Democrats into the GOP the last 40 years. That’s why the Party is very Statist now. But that’s another subject.
coldwarrior wrote:
Nevin is an economist, isn’t he ?
According to his paper the people in the Roman Empire must have been the most violent ever.
MacDuff wrote:
it isnt heresy, its da bookies baby!
@ Carolina Girl:
The Federal troops that got John Brown were led by Robert E Lee.
He was not that big on secession, but had a great loyalty to Virginia.
@ Guggi:
lead poising actually goes a very very long way in explaining the destruction of rome by its leaders as time went forward.
They must be smited!
Rodan wrote:
A lot but not all liberal Republicans are pro-life Democrats that got tossed out of the D’Rat party for being pro-life.
We are screwed
Yo, maybe dey should git a visit from some of da Chicaga associates.
Maybe dat would be good fer dem.
Ara Parseghian is 89. Holy crap, we’re all getting old!
@ MacDuff:
Never heard of him…
MacDuff wrote:
who?
I am so glad that Obama didn’t opine on tonights game.
Indiana & Alabama both voted against him, so he probably
wants a 0-0 tie.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
An inconvenient fact for you -- the S.C. Ordinance of Secession mentions slavery 20 times.
Claiming that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery is akin (for me) to Holocaust denial.
@ MacDuff:
Oh, Mackie, we gonna be mortal eminees tonight.
Roll Tide!
@ MacDuff:
Beats the alternative…
@ MacDuff:
@ Da_Beerfreak:
IIRC he is the last (only?) ND coach to beat Alabama for a national championship — and he beat the Bear.
@ unclassifiable:
I saw that game.
Sorry about the O/T, but …
“Kilgore Trout” sighting here, in the comments:
http://news.yahoo.com/why-nobody-trusts-steubenville-171732708.html
Right now, it’s the second comment from the top (12 mins ago), and it’s a response to another commenter.
At the very least, it’s worth logging, for later use.
RIX wrote:
Da boys should go out and teach ‘em about math, ya know?
@ Arbalest:
heh, steubenville! what a corrupt little burgh that place is!
@ unclassifiable:
Ara won two national championships coaching Notre dame.
If I have this right, ND has beat Alabama six out of the last seven
times that they played.
unclassifiable wrote:
Just off the top of my head, I think you’re right. Parseghian was the best there was at ND…..aside from Rockne, of course.
Speranza wrote:
So?? Doesn’t change the real fact that slavery played a minor role in starting the war of northern aggression.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Major General George Henry Thomas -- a more admirable figure in my opinion -- was a Virginian who stayed loyal to the United States of America.
Later, peeps.
Youse got dat right. Dey need some edjubacation.
RIX wrote:
Lt. J.E.B. Stuart volunteered to be his aide that day.
That’s good info, I didn’t know that.
@ RIX:
I recall Shelby Foote discussing how people viewed the states they were citizens of and it was such a 180 from the way we see it today — fascinating.
MacDuff wrote:
met him at an alumni funeral years ago…really friendly and big, as in he’s a very big guy
@ Speranza:
I believe Custer was in that group as well (at least according to Errol Flynn).
Before then Civil War the nation was referred to as “These” United States.
It was after the war that “The” United States was used more often.
coldwarrior wrote:
It’s about crime and violence not about the destruction of Rome.
Me thinks this study (or better studies because they pop up every several years since 1999 -- this one I think is the newest) describes correlation not causation.
Carolina Girl wrote:
too bad he survived the war….I hate that guy
@ Carolina Girl:
The rise of Nationalism and the decline of Federalism can be traced back to the end of the Civil War.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Captain Reno, I don’t think that there are any Indians around here.
Why don’t you ride down there & see.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
You’re exactly right. In addition, I imagine the mobility created by the Industrial Revolution lent a hand -- where you might never go more than 50 miles from your home before, the migration to the urban centers changed the way people viewed their place in the country as well.
{and it is discussions like this and the incredible wealth of knowledge and the way the banter goes from the serious to the silly to the sublime and back again, that makes this blog such a wonderful place to be).
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
The rise of Nationalism and the decline of Federalism can be traced back to the end of the
Civil Warrevolutionary war.@ heysoos:
I am always suspicious of men who have my features and perform better with them.
Boy General Custer -- luxurious blonde looks
Boy George -- mad makeup skillz
@ Arbalest:
Seen him on yahoo before, and looking at his comment list (you do that by just clicking on the nic) he’s a prolific commenter over there.
Carolina Girl wrote:
honey, you’d look good in a Richard Nixon mask…srsly
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
That is absurd. They went to war over taxes????
Later
Guggi wrote:
well, i did refer to the correlation and said i hadnt really dug into it so take it for what its worth.
as for rome and lead…totally different subject. but fun to read about.
ergot and witch trials
vikings and mushrooms is fun too
@ Speranza:
Damn right they did. It’s always about the money.
slavery, states rights, clash of cultures….
all weigh in heavily, together
RIX wrote:
Lee was on leave from Texas to visit his home in Arlington, Va. and was ordered by the Sec. of War to take command of a detachment of Marines and put down the rebellion. Lt. Stuart was at the War Department that day because he wanted to sell a patent to the War Department regarding a saber and since he knew Lee from West Point and was the only man in the area who had once actually seen John Brown (in Kansas) he could identify Brown. Stuart asked for permission to deliver the message to Lee and to be Lee’s aide. Stuart found Lee in Alexandria making a purchase at the Stabler-Ledbetter Apothecary Shop (still there in Old Town Alexandria). Robert E. Lee was the only soldier in civilian clothes the day they attacked the fire engine house at Harpers Ferry.
Arbalest wrote:
So Kilgore Trout is an ex-Marine and a liberal Democrat ?
Carolina Girl wrote:
Heh Custer was at West Point and not a commissioned officer yet.
heysoos wrote:
Yes and he has not gotten over that.
and a last quote from KilgoreTrout
Mars wrote:
Would you want to work with Hank Johnson, Sheila Jackson Lee, Henry Waxman, Nancy Pelosi, and Jim Moran?
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
That is pure revisionism.
OMG! Did you guys see this?
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/07/bank-of-america-freezes-gun-manufacturers-account-we-believe-you-should-not-be-selling-guns-on-the-internet/#disqus_thread
heysoos wrote:
Exactly. There was a laundry list of issues that lead to that war. Many Folks disagree which issue was the leading cause of the war.
@ Guggi:
Well, since true assault rifles are extremely expensive, heavily regulated, and not readily available, that’s already done.
Good. let’s move on to something else, then.
The great thing about a salt rifle is that you can pepper your attackers…
@ Carolina Girl:
I’m really looking forward to the day Bank of America goes under.
@ coldwarrior:
The NYT article is nonsense. There was a lot of lead poisoning but the fall of Rome was caused predominantly by the invasion of the barbarians not by lead poisoning. I doubt that lead poisoning has anything to do with the crime rate.
lobo91 wrote:
It’s odd that they don’t have a tally, the way McDonald’s used to. Remember? McDonald’s used to have a sign on its golden arches, “Over X Million Served.”
If Planned Parenthood were proud of its endeavors, you’d think they’d have signs out front, “Over X Million Aborted.”
lobo91 wrote:
liberals…
debt?, no clue
assault rifle?, clueless
personal responsibility?, uncluable
Guggi wrote:
you do understand what ‘fun to read about’ means?
and lead poising did contribute to the fall of rome as the leading citizens ingested huge quantities not just from the plumbing but in their wine as flavor adjunct ‘defrutum’ prepared in lead lined pots, as was the fashion. no where did i mention that lead caused crime to go up in rome. it certainly contributed to the insanity of the ruling class.
lead in high levels is found in the bones of later romans at horrible levels. was it the only cause of the fall? certainly not. but it sure didn’t help.
the open thread is up at 1930…
yes it highlights tonight football game, no that isnt the only subject.
its an open thread y’all!
quick search reveals:
Neurotoxicology. 1984 Fall;5(3):353-61.
A perspective of lead poisoning in antiquity and the present.
Woolley DE.
Abstract
Seen in perspective, it is evident that lead poisoning is one of the earliest occupational diseases, described already thousands of years ago. The first major upswing in the history of anthropogenic production of lead was associated with the development of the Greco-Roman culture and the most recent followed the Industrial Revolution. At the peak of the power of the Roman Empire, lead production was about 80,000 tons per year, lead and its compounds were used with great inventiveness in numerous ways, and lead poisoning was pandemic, with the severity of poisoning proportional to the power and status of the class. Intake of lead by the aristocracy may have been as much as 1 mg/day. The resultant mental incompetence and especially the rapidly declining birth rate among the ruling class are now believed to have been major factors in the decline of the Roman Empire. Epidemic outbreaks of lead poisoning have occurred repeatedly throughout history and still occur today. The estimated 3.5 million tons of lead produced annually during peak production in the 1970′s included about 0.4 million tons of organoleads. Such intense production has increased global contamination with lead enormously. Even under relatively ideal conditions the daily intake of lead is so much higher than in prehistoric times that investigators must pause to ask themselves what a proper control group really is. Are investigators merely determining the effects of additional lead exposure on systems already greatly perturbed by lead? If so, how can we find out?
PMID:
6395049
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
coldwarrior wrote:
i) plumbing had nothing to do with lead poisoning because of the calcification inside the plumbing the water didn’t come into contact with the the lead.
ii) it wasn’t the insanity of the ruling class which changed the social order in Rome but the influence of the “migrants” (Barbarians). They wanted to live on their own rules and most of the troops were migrants (Barbarians). Reminds you of something of today ?
@ 211 Guggi: Yes sounds just like us at a Facebook pace
@ Guggi: I accept the lead as an underlying cause of poor decisions. Societies tend to poison themselves when they stray from the natural way of doing stuff. Industrial illness. There is a ton of oil based chemicals in the environment now. Mother’s milk in the US is more toxic than other places in the world. Increased cancers? Increased Autism? IMO it is natural selection at work.
Environmental history timeline
http://www.slweb.org/luke-1997.html Flurided water study suggests it changes the brain hormones related to sleep. And moves puberty to occur at an earlier age. While calcifying the pineal gland in the brain.
Oil and Dioxin pollution.
@ 84 lobo91: I don’t care if anyone beats the crap out of any of those reporters. In a quid pro quo world they decided they wanted to create that puts them at the bottom of the list of people I should help.
@ darkwords:
we are upstairs, dark.
Guggi wrote:
Lead poisoning might indeed lead to diminished mentality which could raise the crime rate. But it’s not necessarily tetraethyl lead from motor fuel that is (potentially) responsible. High-crime areas in the inner cities have a great many older run-down homes, the interiors of which were often painted using lead-based paint. Little children are known to chew on door frames and baseboard, and on the bars of their cribs. A lot easier to ingest lead that way, than from lead dust in the streets.
And as to crime dropping off? Well, urban renewal has been going on contemporaneously with the removal of lead from gasoline.
No smoking gun.
But they voted for him because he is so cool.