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Margaret Netanyahu

by Speranza ( 46 Comments › )
Filed under Argentina, Cold War, History, Israel, UK at January 7th, 2013 - 11:30 am

Interesting comparisons between Margaret Thatcher and Benjamin Netanyahu.

by Jeremy Rosen

Margaret Thatcher was an incredibly divisive British prime minister. Personally, I could never warm to her. She was, however, credited with standing up to the unions. Although she had the immense good fortune to come to power as North Sea Oil provided the UK with a financial bonanza, she certainly changed the mood of the country from depressed hopelessness to one of optimism. Under her, Britain regained its mojo. Another of her great jingoistic triumphs was the successful Falklands War in 1982. It was perhaps the last hurrah of the British Empire.

President Ronald Reagan loved her, and in general she was held in greater affection by the United States than she was by most Britons. So it came as a great surprise to me to learn that Reagan nearly scuppered the Falklands campaign.

Here is an extract from an article that appeared in the British Sunday Telegraph on December 28, 2012:

“The United States wanted to give Argentina advance warning that Britain was going to retake South Georgia in 1982 in a move that would have spelt disaster ahead of the Falklands campaign, according to newly released files. The proposal, by US secretary of state Alexander Haig, was intended to show the military junta in Buenos Aires that America was a neutral player and could be trusted to act impartially during negotiations to end the conflict.

Ronald Reagan, then US President, made repeated attempts to persuade Margaret Thatcher to negotiate a truce so the Argentinians could save face and avoid “complete humiliation”. He was told by the State Department that support for a European colonial power would undermine ties with Latin America and hamper Washington’s covert campaign against communism in the western hemisphere. Thatcher refused, telling Mr. Reagan in a late night phone call on May 31st, 1982 that she would “not contemplate” a ceasefire after the loss of “precious British lives”.

[.....]

While US defense secretary Caspar Weinberger proved a staunch ally of Britain from the outbreak of war on 2 April 1982, authorizing secret shipments of weapons vital to the task force, the US state department was anything but sympathetic to British interests.

You will notice that it was the US State Department that was the source of the anti-British sentiment, as indeed it has always been, and remains today, against anything pro-Israel. [......] It has always been the same in Britain. The Foreign Office’s civil servants have always been Arabists. It has always been the politicians, including Margaret Thatcher, who have tended to overrule them. Indeed, today the majority of the frontbench of the conservative British government is sympathetic towards Israel; the Foreign Office is not. Bureaucrats think with statistics, weighing up numbers and spheres of influence. They think with their minds rather than their hearts. Politicians are more likely to decide emotionally or as a result of personal pressure.

So it is with Israel. All logic goes against it. [......]Yet time and time again, when it really comes down to the crunch, against the odds, decisions go Israel’s way. There may be two reasons for this.

The first is that Israel is still more like the West than the East. It is surrounded by a sea of hatred and yet manages to survive. [......] Rather a failed government of their own than a successful one imposed from without. Yet it remains very much the underdog in comparison to the numbers, wealth, and power of the Arab and Muslim world. And counter intuitively, it is still both admired and hated.

But secondly, it is led by men who will fight for it, be prepared to be unpopular, refuse to curry favor with the international community and its journalists if they perceive its best interests are not being served. I don’t like Netanyahu any more than I like any politician. [........] But I have to hand it to him. Netanyahu is prepared to fight and be unpopular in the process. So was Margaret Thatcher. That is why the majority of the Israeli public and I would rather have someone like that as a leader than a nominal Jew who cares little for our heritage, who would put Hollywood’s values over Judaism’s.

No one can deny the need to keep the USA sweet. Britain has known that since the First World War and Israel knows that now. But when push comes to shove, no one else cares as much about a Jewish state as it does. Every now and then the world needs to know that, warts and all, the Jews will fight to the bitter end no matter who refuses to support them. They might not have liked Thatcher but they admired her guts. Who knows one day history might be kind to Israel.

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  1. Speranza
    1 | January 7, 2013 11:43 am

    I notice that Netanyahu draws a lot of hatred by virulent left wing “jornalists”, “pundits”, and bloggers.


  2. buzzsawmonkey
    2 | January 7, 2013 12:06 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Netanyahu is actually fairly moderate; the Israelis constantly joke that he signals right but turns left. You want a right-wing leader, you look to Moshe Feigelin.

    The reason the leftists hate Netanyahu is that he is not willing to sell Israel down the river as fast and as thoroughly as the Israeli leftists would.


  3. eaglesoars
    3 | January 7, 2013 12:16 pm

    Admins, you may have a clogged pipe somewhere. This thing is taking forever to load – for me anyway – and every other site I go to is ok.

    AND WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO ANGELICA HOUSTON?

    She looks like Jabba the Hut


  4. buzzsawmonkey
    4 | January 7, 2013 12:18 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    AND WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO ANGELICA HOUSTON?

    She looks like Jabba the Hut

    You should post a warning with that. I nearly turned to stone.


  5. 5 | January 7, 2013 12:29 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    She looks like Jabba the Hut…

    IN DRAG!


  6. RIX
    6 | January 7, 2013 12:39 pm

    Obama is soon to nominate his choices for Sec Def
    & Sec State.
    I doubt that either will be good for Israel, or the U.S
    or that matter.


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | January 7, 2013 12:39 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Admins, you may have a clogged pipe somewhere. This thing is taking forever to load — for me anyway — and every other site I go to is ok.

    blog didnt get enough fiber this weekend.


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | January 7, 2013 12:40 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    AND WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO ANGELICA HOUSTON?

    She looks like Jabba the Hut

    seared! seared into my mind!!!!

    GACK!!!!


  9. AZfederalist
    9 | January 7, 2013 12:44 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yeah, that was traumatizing. “Aging with grace” in the article. Really?


  10. buzzsawmonkey
    10 | January 7, 2013 12:47 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    @ coldwarrior:
    @ AZfederalist:

    Stanley Holloway in a mod wig…


  11. Speranza
    11 | January 7, 2013 1:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Netanyahu is actually fairly moderate; the Israelis constantly joke that he signals right but turns left. You want a right-wing leader, you look to Moshe Feigelin.
    The reason the leftists hate Netanyahu is that he is not willing to sell Israel down the river as fast and as thoroughly as the Israeli leftists would.

    Correct. Netanyahu is hardly a “right winger”.


  12. Speranza
    12 | January 7, 2013 1:19 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Admins, you may have a clogged pipe somewhere. This thing is taking forever to load — for me anyway — and every other site I go to is ok.
    AND WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO ANGELICA HOUSTON?
    She looks like Jabba the Hut

    Oh my God that is scary!


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | January 7, 2013 1:30 pm

    @ Speranza:

    i have a feeling she would have aged far better without the plastic surgery disaster factor


  14. lobo91
    14 | January 7, 2013 1:37 pm

    A golden oldie from Obama’s pick to head the CIA:

    Flashback 2010: John Brennan Defends Jihad As “Legitimate Tenet Of Islam”…

    The president’s top counterterrorism adviser on Wednesday called jihad a “legitimate tenet of Islam,” arguing that the term “jihadists” should not be used to describe America’s enemies.

    During a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, John Brennan described violent extremists as victims of “political, economic and social forces,” but said that those plotting attacks on the United States should not be described in “religious terms.”

    He repeated the administration argument that the enemy is not “terrorism,” because terrorism is a “tactic,” and not terror, because terror is a “state of mind” — though Brennan’s title, deputy national security adviser for counterterrorism and homeland security, includes the word “terrorism” in it. But then Brennan said that the word “jihad” should not be applied either.

    “Nor do we describe our enemy as ‘jihadists’ or ‘Islamists’ because jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenet of Islam, meaning to purify oneself or one’s community, and there is nothing holy or legitimate or Islamic about murdering innocent men, women and children,” Brennan said.


  15. heysoos
    15 | January 7, 2013 1:41 pm

    The Great Hosing will continue…

    Mr. Boehner is frustrated that Republicans were portrayed by the press as dogmatic and unyielding in these talks. “I’m the guy who put revenues on the table the day after the election,” he says. “And I’m the guy who put the [income] threshold at a million dollars. Then we agreed to let the rates go up, on dividends, capital gains as a way of trying to move them into a deal. . . . But we could never get him to step up,” Mr. Boehner says with a shrug. Negotiations with the White House ended in stalemate when “it became painfully obvious that the president won’t cut spending.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323482504578225620234902106.html


  16. citizen_q
    16 | January 7, 2013 1:43 pm

    @ lobo91:
    And jihad can be considered as Social Justice.

    Sudbury man convicted on terrorism charges receives award

    BOSTON —

    Former Sudbury resident Tarek Mehanna was granted the 36th annual Sacco & Vanzetti Social Justice Award Sunday from the Community Church of Boston for his struggle as a seeker of justice.

    Following discussions on America’s history of oppressed people, Mehanna’s father, mother, brother and sister-in-law accepted the award on his behalf.

    Mehanna is serving a 17-1/2 –year sentence at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Ind. He was convicted in 2011 on various terrorism-related charges after federal prosecutors said he traveled to Yemen to seek training in a terrorist camp in order to fight U.S. soldiers in Iraq and translated texts for terror groups.


  17. lobo91
    17 | January 7, 2013 1:46 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Former Sudbury resident Tarek Mehanna was granted the 36th annual Sacco & Vanzetti Social Justice Award

    I think the title of the “award” tells you all you need to know…


  18. RIX
    18 | January 7, 2013 1:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    During a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, John Brennan described violent extremists as victims of “political, economic and social forces,” but said that those plotting attacks on the United States should not be described in “religious terms.”

    Victims? Maybe Hitler was just a victim of warm beer
    & bad bratwursts.


  19. Alberta Oil Peon
    19 | January 7, 2013 1:47 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    She’s got more chins than the Beijing telephone book.


  20. heysoos
    20 | January 7, 2013 1:49 pm

    @ lobo91:
    the new liberal dictionary now has redefined…
    terror
    jihad
    legal
    debt
    revenue
    constitution
    rights
    honesty
    just slap some lipstick on it and presto…problem solved


  21. Alberta Oil Peon
    21 | January 7, 2013 1:49 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Sounds like an Onion headline, doesn’t it?


  22. lobo91
    22 | January 7, 2013 1:49 pm

    @ RIX:

    One thing that I thought was interesting about Obama’s remarks was when he said that Brennan “literally built, and led, the National Counterterrorism Center.”

    So he moonlights as a construction worker?


  23. RIX
    23 | January 7, 2013 1:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    One thing that I thought was interesting about Obama’s remarks was when he said that Brennan “literally built, and led, the National Counterterrorism Center.”
    So he moonlights as a construction worker?

    So he doesn’t tell his friends “You didn’t build that!”


  24. lobo91
    24 | January 7, 2013 1:53 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Sounds like an Onion headline, doesn’t it?

    It’s becoming harder and harder to tell news from satire these days.


  25. lobo91
    25 | January 7, 2013 2:00 pm

    As long as this is who’s teaching our kids, America is doomed:

    Chicago Teachers Union President Talks About Killing The Rich, Crowd Laughs…

    The Chicago Teachers Union is not just about looking out for its members’ interests. The union wants to fundamentally change America, too.

    That shift occurred when the radical Karen Lewis was elected as its president two years ago. She’s best known for mocking U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan’s lisp and for taking on – and defeating – Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel in the district’s first teachers’ strike in a generation.

    CTU leaders have been on a victory lap of sorts since the September strike, with union activists seeing themselves as protectors of union power during a time of membership decline and education reform at the state and local level.

    They’ve also taken on the role of social activities, fighting for causes like the Occupy movement and gay marriage, which have nothing to do with education.

    Some union leaders have called for violence and other radical tactics to achieve social goals.

    When Lewis appeared at the Illinois Labor History Society’s “Salute to Labor’s Historic Heroes from the History Makers of Today,” she didn’t disappoint the crowd. She threw gasoline onto the fire of class warfare, and even mentioned mob killings of wealthy Americans.

    “… Do not think for a minute that the wealthy are ever going to allow you to legislate their riches away from them. Please understand that. However, we are in a moment where the wealth disparity in this country is very reminiscent of the robber baron ages. The labor leaders of that time, though, were ready to kill. They were. They were just – off with their heads. They were seriously talking about that.”

    Some in the audience laughed and clapped at her remark.


  26. 26 | January 7, 2013 2:03 pm

    If you want to kno whow stupid the Left really is, get a load of this:

    In a move likely to cause an uproar across Portland-area coffeehouses, Oregon’s state legislature is again considering instituting a per-mile tax on super-fuel-efficient cars and electric vehicles. The state is looking to recuperate revenue lost because more fuel efficient vehicles on the road result in fewer dollars being collected from gas taxes.

    But, but I thought they were saving the planet!!11ty!! They’ll tax anything they can get away with. Consent of the governed? They don’t need that any more.


  27. lobo91
    27 | January 7, 2013 2:06 pm

    Just what we need:

    Barney Frank crafts return to Congress — days after retiring

    Barney Frank just can’t seem to stay away from Congress.

    One day after retiring as a 16-term Democratic representative from Massachusetts, Frank announced that he had asked Gov. Deval Patrick to send him back to D.C. – this time as in interim senator to fill the seat of Sen. John Kerry, who was nominated for secretary of state.

    That doesn’t mean the colorful congressman will get the gig, though. Patrick says that while Frank would make a “great” interim senator, it’s not a done deal and that he hasn’t made his final decision yet.

    Asked by reporters if he would have preferred Frank keep his conversation with him private, the governor started laughing.

    “Does it matter in the case of Congressman Frank what I would have preferred?” Patrick asked.

    State law requires the governor appoint a temporary successor if and when Kerry is confirmed by the Senate. A special election would then be held between 145 to 160 days after the appointment. The interim senator would only serve a few months but that’s all the time Frank says he’ll need to get what he wants done.

    “A few weeks ago, I said I wasn’t interested,” Frank said in a statement. “It was kind of like you’re about to graduate, and they said, ‘You gotta go to summer school.’ But (the fiscal cliff deal) now means that February, March and April are going to be among the most important months in American financial history.”


  28. lobo91
    28 | January 7, 2013 2:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That’s exactly what they did with cigarettes. First, they raised the taxes on them, in order to fund “health care.” Then, when sales inevitably went down, they had to raise the taxes again, in order to make up for the decreased revenue.


  29. taxfreekiller
    29 | January 7, 2013 2:11 pm

    The “Commie” thumb on the scale has been noted:

    http://www.wattsupwiththat.com


  30. RIX
    30 | January 7, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Just keep Franks away from Fannie Mae.
    She should not be associated with any Fannie!


  31. RIX
    31 | January 7, 2013 2:22 pm

    @ RIX:
    I meant HE


  32. coldwarrior
    32 | January 7, 2013 2:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I meant HE

    suuuuuure ya did.


  33. 33 | January 7, 2013 2:25 pm

    Denial ain’t just a river in the Islamic Republic of Egypt:

    The National Jewish Democratic Council said it was confident Chuck Hagel would follow what it called President Obama’s “unprecedented” pro-Israel record.

    getty imagesChuck HagelThe statement Monday morning came before Obama’s formal announcement expected later Monday nominating Hagel, a former Republican senator, for defense secretary.

    “President Barack Obama’s unprecedented pro-Israel credentials are unquestionable, and setting policy starts and stops with the president,” said the statement, which was not attached to the name of an NJDC official. “While we have expressed concerns in the past, we trust that when confirmed, former Senator Chuck Hagel will follow the President’s lead of providing unrivaled support for Israel – on strategic cooperation, missile defense programs, and leading the world against Iran’s nuclear program.”

    “unprecedented” pro-Israel record? That’s like Adolf Eichman’s unprecedented benevolence, isn’t it? These people are beyond delusional.


  34. 34 | January 7, 2013 2:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Chuck Hagel is OK but Rand Paul is an anti-Semite. Go figure! These clowns are intellectually dishonest and just use their ethnicity to cover up their Progressive agenda.


  35. RIX
    35 | January 7, 2013 2:29 pm

    (BBC) — A mother who beat her seven-year-old son to death when he failed to memorise passages from the Koran has been jailed for life, for a minimum of 17 years.

    The judge told Sara Ege, 33, she subjected Yaseen Ege to prolonged cruelty and a ferocious beating at home in Pontcanna, Cardiff, in July 2010.

    She also set fire to his body, and was convicted after a five-week trial.

    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/islam/2013/01/07/muslim-mom-murders-son-who-cant-memorize-koran#ixzz2HJsalUbU

    Just a different culture, kind of like having a Christmas tree.


  36. RIX
    36 | January 7, 2013 2:30 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I meant HE

    suuuuuure ya did.

    Actually, I did. Must be Freudian slip,


  37. 37 | January 7, 2013 2:38 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Obama wants the Mad Mullahs to get the atomic bomb, so that must be the “unprecedented” thing that they are blathering about. I think it is Buzzsawmonkey who says that these peoples’ Judaism is just the Democrat Party with holidays. That seems to be the truth.


  38. 38 | January 7, 2013 2:42 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yeah I just laugh how Hagel gets a pass but Rand Paul is an anti-Semite. Just weird.


  39. Speranza
    39 | January 7, 2013 2:43 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    i have a feeling she would have aged far better without the plastic surgery disaster factor

    I always found her in a rather masculine way to be kind of attractive – not any more.


  40. Speranza
    40 | January 7, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I remember John Brennan – another jackass who thinks that jihad is an “inner struggle”.


  41. Speranza
    41 | January 7, 2013 2:44 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    During a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, John Brennan described violent extremists as victims of “political, economic and social forces,” but said that those plotting attacks on the United States should not be described in “religious terms.”
    Victims? Maybe Hitler was just a victim of warm beer
    & bad bratwursts.

    And according to his quack Dr. Theodor Morrell, a victim of colossal flatulence.


  42. citizen_q
    42 | January 7, 2013 2:47 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    suicidal

    Stockholm Syndrome

    Can’t speak for others, but these people don’t speak for me.


  43. darkwords
    43 | January 7, 2013 2:55 pm

    Tonight will you be yelling “Run, Forrest, Run” or chanting “Rudy, Rudy”? #Bama #NotreDame #BCS pic.twitter.com/jloA7Uo7


  44. heysoos
    44 | January 7, 2013 2:56 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Tonight will you be yelling “Run, Forrest, Run” or chanting “Rudy, Rudy”? #Bama #NotreDame #BCS pic.twitter.com/jloA7Uo7

    darkwords wrote:

    Tonight will you be yelling “Run, Forrest, Run” or chanting “Rudy, Rudy”? #Bama #NotreDame #BCS pic.twitter.com/jloA7Uo7

    I’d like to ND win it all


  45. citizen_q
    45 | January 7, 2013 3:10 pm

    O//T saw this article from Pravda linked at Drudge and was impressed by at least the first 2 paragraphs. Reminded me of the article the I.F. posted last week? From Pravda imploring the US to keep it’s 2nd Amendment rights.

    Global warming, the tool of the West

    For years, the Elites of the West have cranked up the myth of Man Made Global Warming as a means first and foremost to control the lives and behaviors of their populations. Knowing full well that their produce in China and sell in the West model and its consequent spiral downward in wages and thus standards of living, was unsustainable, the elites moved to use this new “science” to guilt trip and scare monger their populations into smaller and more conservatives forms of living. In other words, they coasted them into the poverty that the greed and treason of those said same elites was already creating in their native lands.

    What better way to staunch protests at worsening economic and life conditions than to make it feel like an honourable job/duty of the people to save “Gia”. At the same time, they used this “science” as new pagan religion to further push out the Christianity they hate and despise and most of all, fear? Gia worship, the earth “mother”, has been pushed in popular culture oozing out of the West for a better part of the past 1.5 decades. This is a religion replete with an army of priests, called Government Grant Scientists.


  46. 46 | January 9, 2013 7:17 am

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    During a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, John Brennan described violent extremists as victims of “political, economic and social forces,” but said that those plotting attacks on the United States should not be described in “religious terms.”
    Victims? Maybe Hitler was just a victim of warm beer
    & bad bratwursts.

    And according to his quack Dr. Theodor Morrell, a victim of colossal flatulence.

    Hitler was mostly a vegetarian. Vegetables cause gas. Sorry, but it’s true.


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